Jaysen's Helms 24

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Many years ago my buddy Steve buys a 21 foot O'Day sloop. For his first trip we trailer up to Kenai lake. Kenai lake is like a ford in that it is 30 miles long and a mile or two wide. We sail all the way to lakes end and spend the night. The next morning there is not a breath of wind. Some of you old guys might remember Archmedes Penta outboards. Well Steve has one so we figure we will mount that and power back down the lake. Problem was there was no way to mount it :( We had one of those 6 foot boat looking plastic tubs that the outboard would fit on so we used the tub to tow the boat all the way back down the lake. We looked like two true rednecks but we made it back on our own. :lol: PS I am pretty sure that was the only time that piece of crap outboard ran 8O

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That hilarious. And I don’t mind. My name is associated with more than a few “that ain’t right” things.

We m going to pull the motor after work this week and start dissembling the carb. Nothing to loose really.
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Currently working on making a Helms 24 our coastal cruiser.
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Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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If you are pulling the carb apart yourself look for signs of water getting into the fuel system. You will see white or tarnished areas on metal surfaces inside the bowl, the edges of the jets and so on. Anywhere the fuel can settle. Fuel treatment additives will cause the water in the fuel to burn but the water will still stain the metal. Use strands of wire to clean build up in the air bleed jets and the fuel metering jets. Look for trash floating freely in the fuel system. If the motor has set up for awhile and the fuel in the carb drying up it could leave a dry film on everything and break up when the fuel starts to pass through and plug a jet so drain the bowls into something white, even a white paper towel will work, so you can look for floating trash. You are looking for a cause, find it! Don't just do stuff and hope it fixes it, that won't give you peace of mind.

Do not rule out the ignition side of the motor. Measure the resistance of the coils, both on the primary side and secondary. Check all grounds. If it uses points and condenser then measure them also and look for pitting of the contacts. Measure the gap of the points before you just adjust them. If it is a solid state system then find the specs and measure everything to make sure the primary side of the ignition system is in specs. Use your electronic background to decide if it just isn't to spec if nothing else. Remember it is a 12volt primary system. You stated it runs ok till it gets warm, electrical components could be getting warm and then act up. Look for salt build up around electrical connections, it can cause enough continuity to cause voltage fluctuation to short out the primary trigger of the ignition. Measure resistance of everything before unplugging anything. Find the cause!

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Thanks!

The other thing I’m wondering is if the OLD fuel system/lines on the boat are part of the problem. I’ll be replacing all of it as I think the lines are degraded and possibly collapsing surging use.

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My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Currently working on making a Helms 24 our coastal cruiser.
“Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens” wrote:Eat a live frog first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Fuzz wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 2:14 am Many years ago my buddy Steve buys a 21 foot O'Day sloop. For his first trip we trailer up to Kenai lake. Kenai lake is like a ford in that it is 30 miles long and a mile or two wide. We sail all the way to lakes end and spend the night. The next morning there is not a breath of wind. Some of you old guys might remember Archmedes Penta outboards. Well Steve has one so we figure we will mount that and power back down the lake. Problem was there was no way to mount it :( We had one of those 6 foot boat looking plastic tubs that the outboard would fit on so we used the tub to tow the boat all the way back down the lake. We looked like two true rednecks but we made it back on our own. :lol: PS I am pretty sure that was the only time that piece of crap outboard ran 8O
I hate to, but I have to.

Which guys were in the tub?

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Jaysen wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 9:31 am Thanks!

The other thing I’m wondering is if the OLD fuel system/lines on the boat are part of the problem. I’ll be replacing all of it as I think the lines are degraded and possibly collapsing surging use.

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If you have a fuel bulb pump and can pressurize the fuel system when it is acting up then not likely. You can also squeeze the fuel lines in different places and if it feels like it is breaking up like squeezing a hard boil egg the line is no good. When you pull the float bowl off, inspect the needle and seat closely for a dented/worn ring where the needle meets the seat.. can cause the needle to hang up.
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Re: Jaysen's Helms 24

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Today was a much needed, simple, but very very important fix to the Helms.

We have a table!!

The table had been wood screwed to the piano hinge. As is normal, wood screw get pulled out when the table is abused. I opted to drill through the ply and use SS pan head bolts with cap nuts. I put a lock washer between the cap it and piano hinge. I probably should have put a washer under the pan head but wanted the heads to recess slightly to reduced the chance of catching things on the heads when the table is folded. The cap nuts are completely covered when table is folded and well out of the way when the table is deployed.

Anyway, here are the pics of the work and one of me post yawing the table for lunch.

The pan head switch table folded.
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Cap nuts at their most exposed.
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Table folded.
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Table deployed.
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Me after eating lunch comfortably.
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My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Currently working on making a Helms 24 our coastal cruiser.
“Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens” wrote:Eat a live frog first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Critical indeed! Dining room, office, workbench, etc.

Interior looks pretty fresh!
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Dang dude! somebody held you down and scrubbed you up some :lol:
Your table is looking good. I am sure that is something that was needed. I have been working on a cockpit table for Steve's DownEastern 32. Did I mention I hate blow boats sometimes? Spent 5 days changing out a cuttless bearing. Ended up pulling the engine to get the shaft out so we could get to the cuttless. Real piece of quality engineering that is. That and having no space for two old fat guys made for some long days :cry:

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Nice work Jaysen!!! Jeff

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