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knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:45 pm
by laporter
Ok guys, I've had the plans for almost a full week. Time to start asking some dumb questions.

Material recommendation for prop shaft. Considering boat will be used exclusively in fresh water will a steel shaft, propulsion & rudder stock, properly coated, be viable? Cost is about 1/3 that of a duplex stainless shaft such as Aquamet.

Termination of shaft log. Is a stern bearing (see picture below) required or can the stern tube be machined to accept a non-metalic cutlass bearing? The plans just show a simple flange holding what looks like the shaft log.

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I'm sure I'll have a boatload (forgive me, couldn't resist that one) of questions as I go through the planning stage, but I'm prone to working out all the details of a project to the 'nth. degree. Please bear with me. So far it looks like a Spring 2008 start, that's when the building structure becomes available. Till then, planning, strategizing and acquiring stuff.

Thanks.

Rick

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:50 pm
by dewers
Good luck on your quest, I am sure some (me, if my better half does not put me under) of will repeat this. We want a weekly report on yuor progress

Good Luck again

Dave

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:31 am
by jacquesmm
Your plans include an expanded version of this HowTo file:
http://bateau2.com/content/view/132/28/
It shows all the components of the drive train.

The stern bearing is what 99% of boats use. It is not impossible to do what you describe but why?
If you have a problem with the stern bearing, it can easily be repaired with the stern bearing, not with your system.
Imagine you grab a net in the prop, bend the shaft. How are you going to get it out with your system? Cut the keel?
BTW, your picture is a classic stern bearing bolted to the keel.

The shaft material used in my calculations is Aquamet SS. Cheaper metal will not take the torque.

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:44 pm
by laporter
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jacquesmm wrote:It is not impossible to do what you describe but why?
I've seen it done that way a few times.
jacquesmm wrote:Aquamet SS
17? 18? 19? 22?
jacquesmm wrote:How are you going to get it out with your system?
I would assume that if I had grabbed a net I'd have bigger problems than just a bent shaft. I think it'd be the same procedure to pull a bent shaft from either arrangement. No stern bearing would definitely mean wiping out the cutlass bearing at least. It looks like somebody's pulled all of Macca's photos so I can't refer to them but it looked like he didn't use a stern bearing. It's hard to tell from this angle because of the screw but it doesn't look like there's a stern bearing there unless he's totally encapsulated it in glass & resin.

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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:21 am
by Toni V
laporter wrote:
Page won't display.

Just wanted to say; works for me okay.

But Macca's tw28 seems to be missing?

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:06 am
by jacquesmm
- Aquamet 18.
- the page works
- net or line around prop is now big deal with AquaDrive and we show that on the plans.
- if you really want to change things, do it. It's your boat but you asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:35 am
by laporter
jacquesmm wrote:- Aquamet 18.
Thanks
jacquesmm wrote:the page works.
For some odd reason I can't get that page to load. Lost in cyberspace I guess.
jacquesmm wrote:net or line around prop is now big deal with AquaDrive and we show that on the plans.
Acknowledged and understood.
jacquesmm wrote:if you really want to change things, do it. It's your boat but you asked for my opinion and I gave it.
Well there's no doubt I'll change things to suit my requirements but you are the designer and I value your insight and approval. We're all trying to learn here and the open exchange of information can only benefit your clients as they seek to accomplish their projects in the most cost effective and efficient manner. As we all know mistakes and poor planning with boat projects can cost dearly. I only want to plan and execute this project properly and if there's no need to spend $400 on a stern bearing then I'd appreciate a recommendation for a viable alternative and to not be summarily dismissed.

Please understand that this project represents a considerable capital investment on my part, which is rapidly approaching $50K US. So you can see that there are certain risks I'd like to mitigate if possible and if I can rely no your's and your clients experience with similar projects to find economies I'll be able to do that.

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:01 am
by jacquesmm
I understand all that and that's why the plans are so detailed.
Many other plans don't show such details.
I know that in some old wooden boats, stern tubes were custom made and some had the cutlass bearing in them. I have not seen that set up very often and I saw and designed many drive train installations. I would say more than one thousand total.
In the late 80's, I made a living subcontracting inboard engine installation, design and engineering to major boat manufacturers and retrofitters.
I hope this gives you confidence in my design choices: the plans are for amateurs but the designer is a professional.
That stern bearing will always cost less than a custom made stern tube with integral bearing housing.
The stern bearing housing we show cost around $ 80.00 in that size.

I do not want to summary dismiss changes but I did spend a few days writing that file about engine installation and most questions are answered there.
Please try again to see it.
Start at
http://bateau2.com
go to "HowTo" then to "Building methods" then at the bottom select "engine installation".

It is a little early to discuss drive train details anyway.

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:24 am
by laporter
jacquesmm wrote:I understand all that and that's why the plans are so detailed. Many other plans don't show such details.
Yes I've noticed that and I appreciate the effort.
jacquesmm wrote:I know that in some old wooden boats, stern tubes were custom made and some had the cutlass bearing in them.
Maybe it's a freshwater cheapo way of doing it. If you don't recommend it I won't do it.
jacquesmm wrote:In the late 80's, I made a living subcontracting inboard engine installation, design and engineering to major boat manufacturers and retrofitters. I hope this gives you confidence in my design choices: the plans are for amateurs but the designer is a professional.
Absolutely, no argument there. I also have a background in Marine Engineering & Logistics and specialized in all aspects of supporting a large fleet of modern icebreakers and buoytenders so you could say I am a professional in the trade just not an amateur builder. Maybe this explains some of my obsession with attention to detail. The "Devil is in the Details" right?
jacquesmm wrote:The stern bearing housing we show cost around $ 80.00 in that size.
I haven't found one anywhere near $80 but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Included is a snapshot of the spreadsheet where I've got the estimate for the running & steering gear.
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jacquesmm wrote:It is a little early to discuss drive train details anyway.
This just happens to be where I'm at in the planning process. When I'm finished I'll know, to within 2% - 3% of what the final cost to complete the boat will be. It's that logistics background I think.

Anyhow Jacques, I appreciate your time and value your feedback. If I ask stupid questions it's because I've stumbled across an inconsistancy somewhere and they may not be in your drawings or plans but with some other source I've read so bear with me. The only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked, right?

Rick

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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:45 am
by jacquesmm
Whow, we have to give you a competitive quote when you get closer to install the engine. That is very expensive.
For example, the shaft coupling should cost $ 65.00, not 255.00. Unless that's a flex coupling. Same for many other items.
You have do some comparison shopping.
The cutlass bearing, list price here is 85.00, you show 135.00. The rudder port is $ 78.00, not 105.

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:58 am
by laporter
Hi Jacques

We're not really in a very competitive market in this neck of the woods for boat parts. I know I can do better if I package up systems like this and run a competitive bid process. What this helps to illustrate is a "Worst Case Scenario" for the planning process so I know it'll get better. I just don't want any big surprises. Been keeping an eye on e-bay as well for stuff that'll work as well. Don't really see too many bargains there though.

There is a boat building co-op in Ontario though and I'm waiting to hear from a couple of its members if it's worth joining or not.

I worked on the hardware/plumbing/electrical lists last night and was shocked at what those numbers are!!!!

On the brighter side, my brother is a furniture/cabinet maker and I have 5000 board feet of N/A Black Cherry curing for all the interior furnishings and trim work so that'll make the whole project that much more reasonable. It's gonna be a damn nice boat.

Why they cost so much

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:19 pm
by laporter
I think I'm getting a better handle on why boats cost so much. I've just completed the first version of my project spreadsheet listing every item req'd to complete our TW28 project. Further revisions will refine the estimate . What I did was create a "worst case" scenario and used retail advertised prices for every item. Now before you jump all over me I know I'm going to be able to realize a lot of economy by:
  • Joining a boat building co-op. Yes there's one here,
    Bargain hunting on e-bay, flea markets & yard sales,
    Bulk purchase deals from wholesalers,
    Begging, borrowing & stealing.
Here's what the "worst case" looks like so far.

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So, if I can save hmmmm? 20% through good bargain hunting I should come out at about $63K, ($56.7K US) not quite double what I originally figured it'd cost but well within my comfort zone. Still not bad for a brand new diesel powered 28' trawler. Just to compare a new C-Dory 25' w/90HP Honda 4-stroke @ about $85K. I know the two boats aren't really comparible but haven't seen anything that's a better. I think if I really skrimped and scraped I could probably get that down to $45K. That's Canadian $$ too.

Keep in mind that not everyone would build their boat to the same level of sophistication & finish that I intend to. I've focussed on dependability & reliability as well as a fairly high level of finish to both the interior & exterior. You'll notice the bulge in the "Electrical" category, that's for a reason that I'll discuss later. Your mileage will vary.

Rick

Re: Why they cost so much

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:28 pm
by UncleRalph
laporter wrote:I think I'm getting a better handle on why boats cost so much. I've just completed the first version of my project spreadsheet listing every item req'd to complete our TW28 project. Further revisions will refine the estimate .
From past experience further refinement always makes the cost go up. 8O

Ralph

Re: Why they cost so much

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:30 am
by laporter
UncleRalph wrote:From past experience further refinement always makes the cost go up. 8O
Amen brother. Preaching to the converted here!

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:28 pm
by jacquesmm
That estimate is very, very high. Look for example at the electrical post: $ 6,700.00 ??? You can do all the electricity for $ 500.00, maybe less if you do it workboat style.
A low estimate for the TW28 with new engine should be around 40K, 60 K with many bells and whistles.
A cheap one with a rebuild engine may go as low as 30K.

I saw that you wrote a worse case scenario but it is still too much.

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:08 pm
by laporter
Salut Jacques

Well just to illustrate how we get "Screwed" (sorry pardon the pun) on boating equipment north of the border, I just recently purchased a set of B5 Volvo Penta Duo Props for my boat. I bought them online from the US. I paid $580 US. With currency exchange, shipping, taxes & duties the total cost was $800 Cdn. The best price I could find here in Canada anywhere was $1050 so add taxes & shipping they would have cost me a minimum of $1200. So as much as I like to support local/Cdn businesses I like having the $400 in my pocket. Oh by the way the $400 I saved paid for the TW28 plans! C'est la vie.

I pointed out the bump in the electrical estimate but should state that it includes the fridge, windlass & all the pumps which you might of expected to find in the plumbing section. Again, this'll not be a workboat fit-out. Probably closer to a middle-high end yacht finish. (I hope).

a bientot

Rick

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:14 am
by Evan_Gatehouse
As a Canadian building (sort of) I boat, I can give you some hints:

- haunt Ebay for the big ticket items. Use saved searches.

- use Google for the rarer ones. I found a feathering prop in Australia on Page 50 of a Google search.

- don't use UPS Ground into Canada if more than $20 value. Use US Postal as then Canada Post only charges $6 flat brokerage fee. UPS charges a significant portion of the value of the goods as their fee.

- if you live close to the border, find a US mailbox place that accepts packages in your name. Have it shipped to the US mailbox place and bring it across the border yourself. If it's a Ebay purchase from a private seller, then there won't be a receipt. You need some sort of receipt to show Canada Customs. Make sure it's for a reasonable amount (wink wink).

- I see you had Straight McKay listed in your cost listing. They have to be the most expensive chandlery in Canada.

- All the running gear etc. can be purchased in Canada, though some may be cheaper in the US with the Cdn dollar rising so fast. Talk to local boat builders and see who they use for shafting, bearings etc. It seldom makes sense to ship heavy stuff like that very far.

- I agree that some of your estimates seem very very high. Without trying to be too sarcastic, maybe your background in CG makes your project a bit of a gold plater?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:25 am
by kiwi
jacquesmm wrote:That estimate is very, very high. Look for example at the electrical post: $ 6,700.00 ??? You can do all the electricity for $ 500.00, maybe less if you do it workboat style.
A low estimate for the TW28 with new engine should be around 40K, 60 K with many bells and whistles.
A cheap one with a rebuild engine may go as low as 30K.

I saw that you wrote a worse case scenario but it is still too much.
I wanted to reply yesterday along similar lines. A quick off the top of the head price study here in Europe gives an entry level boat at around 35,000 Euros and that is with 19.6% sales tax - for 10,000 more you can get quite a lot of "luxury" equipment.

One more thing: both the US and France have very large boating industries so by shopping around and begging etc. etc. you can find good deals or even companies willing to sell at wholesale prices to amateur builders. Remember that amateur building is a marginal market for these people (99% of their sales are to professional builders) but helping an amateur builder is very good marketing and word of mouth advertising for the products made by these companies.

Cheers

Tony

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:07 am
by laporter
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Without trying to be too sarcastic, maybe your background in CG makes your project a bit of a gold plater?
Ya mean the head ain't gonna look like this?
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Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm slowly figuring it out. Although I rarely go past 3-4 pages in a google search. I find Yahoo is giving me better results lately. Google's giving too much priority ranking to their paid banner advertisers. I am actively looking for more economical materials without compromising safety.

I think my logistics background is really gonna help Evan. I'm the guy at work who's known as the "miracle worker" the guy who can get the job done w/o spending a fortune. I know ya think I'm just blowin' my own horn, but I don't believe in spending your tax dollars just for the sake of spending them and makin' the consultants rich. I've debunked so many computer consultants over the years that there's only a very few companies that'll even bid on my contracts. I renegotiated a Internet contract a couple of years ago that saves 2X my salary every year.

I think I'm gonna be even more tenacious when I'm spending Lori's (wife) money on this project! :o)

Makes for interesting discussions though. I often wonder how many projects get started and abandoned part way through due to rising project costs. Of course life gets in the way sometimes too so that's another variable to consider. I only hope, at the end of all this, that I can still fill the fuel tanks and go boatin'!

Flash Update! Our lil' project just got set back at least 6 months, maybe a year, I have to replace the engine in my truck, which by the way, I just got paid off last month. *sigh*

Thanks again.

Rick

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:07 am
by laporter
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- haunt Ebay for the big ticket items. Use saved searches.
I've located a few bargains on e-bay but not many.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- Use use Google for the rarer ones. I found a feathering prop in Australia on Page 50 of a Google search.
I rarely have the patience to go beyond 3-4 pages. I guess I'll dig a little deeper.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- Use don't use UPS Ground into Canada if more than $20 value. Use US Postal as then Canada Post only charges $6 flat brokerage fee. UPS charges a significant portion of the value of the goods as their fee.
Yup, figured that out on the prop purchase.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- if you live close to the border, find a US mailbox place that accepts packages in your name. Have it shipped to the US mailbox place and bring it across the border yourself.
I have that option available but don't want to abuse it as the box belongs to my buddies who work at Customs at the local bridge crossing and I definitely don't wanna p*ss them off now do I?
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- I see you had Straight McKay listed in your cost listing. They have to be the most expensive chandlery in Canada.
The absolute best for creating the "worst case" was the Vetus online catalogue followed closely by SM. Close behind them was Mermaid Marine.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:- I agree that some of your estimates seem very very high. Without trying to be too sarcastic, maybe your background in CG makes your project a bit of a gold plater?
'nuff said methinks.

Rick

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:29 pm
by Evan_Gatehouse
Here's some ebay purchases. First number is actually paid, 2nd is budget amout. All prices in CDN, delivered.

Force 10 3 burner Euro sub 880 $1401.48
Propane solenoid valve 39 $68
fuel filter Racor 500FG 82 $191
cutless bearing 25 $68
(used) scuba compressor 2,655 $3,435
used 15 HP Yamaha outboard 1000 $2050

PRivate sales (not ebay)
anchor Spade A140 669 $1000
folding prop 17" 3 blade Autostream 2142 $2550
~16 carbon/nomex interior panels 600 no budget - but figure about $500 each retail.
used Yanmar 3GM30 4,132 $8,928

And finally for those who think all projects grow in cost. The big cost increases have been increasing the scope (like added the radar, spinnaker and scuba compressor). If I dropped those, the cost would be even less.

Cost estimate changes ($1,000's CDN):

133.3 11/3/03 bought boat
132.6 11/24/03 added radar, less survey adjustments
134.0 12/1/03 higher engine price, added engine controls, cables, traveller upgrade
131.3 1/1/04 removed moorage costs
127.5 1/13/04 cheaper: prop, E glass for cabin, windlass, radar
127.2 1/18/04 cheaper mast beam
125.6 1/28/04 cheaper Yanmar supplier
124.6 1/29/04 cheaper stanchions
127.9 2/4/04 cheaper Yanmar supplier was error
127.6 2/5/04 cheaper epoxy, cheaper engine
126.7 3/15/04
121.3 4/1/04 bought cheap diesel engine
125.5 6/29/04 epoxy/foam/glass prices higher
122.3 11/22/04 epoxy / glass prices cheaper
121.3 11/24/04 glass prices cheaper, USD cheaper
120.3 1/5/05 1 more solar panel; some ebay shopping cheaper, cheaper o/b motor
119.9 1/19/05 more good shopping
124.5 3/5/05 added scuba compressor; lots more building materials cost
125.1 4/5/05 more building materials stuff
123.8 4/28/05 rebate on biaxial;
125.0 5/15/05 US dollar increase; missing cabin heaters
130.0 7/11/05 added spinnaker
129.6 8/30/05 after expensive haulout, lots of little things that added up
129.3 11/14/2005 cheaper Spade anchor & rode
130.8 11/28/2005 had to buy more epoxy; solar panels big price increase
129.5 3/6/2006 updated
128.2 5/16/2006 cheaper dive compressor, cheaper EPIRB, USD cheaper
127.4 5/29/2006 cheaper outboard

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:54 pm
by laporter
Worked some on the Electrical guestimate today. The results are too big to post here as a jpeg.

There's still a lot of items missing quantities & prices so the work will continue. Just wanted to illustrate how elaborate the system will be and hence why so expensive. I'll also pare down these numbers as I find better prices also hope to do some bulk purchases from wholesalers so that'll affect the bottom end as well.

If anybody knows of good online sources for any of these items w/better prices I'd like to hear from you.

Maybe this will help others planning something similar but not everyone will be as elaborate. I'm going this route because this is pretty much what we have on our existing boat and what we want on our next. Items such as the Fridge & Windlass are all big buck items that we currently don't have but want. When I get the other systems done I'll post them all online.

Here's the running total so far.....

http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/kbii/summary.htm

Thanks guys.

Rick

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:54 pm
by JohnI
You did a great job on that Rick -- well done.

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:01 pm
by Evan_Gatehouse
Electrical:
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Your DC electrical system seems overly complex. Why have a breaker panel for the main panel + 2x12 position fuse blocks + 20 switches? 18 circuits also seems like more than enough for a 28' boat.

Why so many digital dimmers? For night operation just have a few light fixtures with red bulbs. Wheelhouse electronics should have built in dimmers/night lighting.

I've never seen a fused starting battery for the engine starting circuit.

You only need one GFCI outlet - tie the other ones downstream to it and all are protected

Why all the primary wire? Boat's DC systems are wired with duplex wire.

Don't put a fluorescent in the head. They are only on for a few minutes and the bulb and ballast will suffer from frequent on/off. Cheaper incandescent here.

You don't need a vapour proof engine light if you use a diesel engine.

FW circ pump seems very costly.

Solar panels are available for a lot less than this. Just google solar panels
http://shop.altenergystore.com/items~Cn ... p~~Bc~.htm
http://www.suntrekenergy.com/specials.htm
http://www.oasismt.com/usedsolar.html
http://www.partsonsale.com/kyocera.html

Anchoring / Mooring:
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Have either the mooring post OR 2 x 8" cleats on the bow. 2 x 8" cleats on stern. Don't need midship cleats for a 28' boat.

Mooring ropes are too big and too expensive. 1/2" will be more than sufficient. Buy rope and splice eyes yourself. Don't buy in a chandlery. Yellow pages for ROPE.

Anchor chain (1/2" or 7MM BBB Grade 40) - doesn't make sense. 1/4" is approriate for this size boat which is 6mm. BBB OR Grade 40, not both (2 different styles). Don't buy chain from a chandlery. Use yellow pages and look for chain.

Don't use an anchor swivel. They don't swivel under load and you're only using 20' of chain; not enough to tangle.

Ditch the chain stopper. Not necessary on this size boat or anchor. Piece of rope with a s.s. carabiner. Clip to anchor to hold it in place. Or a pin through the anchor roller into the hole on the anchor.
....
I'm not trying to be rude here but have you ever owned a small boat?

What you have listed seems like an awful lot for a 28' trawler and a fair bit seems oversize for the boat.


Finally there is one very important comment. You're thinking of paying retail right? I don't do that if at all possible. For sandpaper and a few screws, sure, but for all the medium priced bits I buy from my local marine wholesaler. The big ticket items I shop ebay and private online sales.

For purchases of this magnitude, you should be thinking of setting up a boat building company. Nothing fancy, just some letterhead "Rick's Custom Boats". Then you buy from a big wholesaler. Western Marine is the big one out here; they bought Transat in Barrie ON last year ago.

Find out who the wholesaler in your region is and talk to them. Say you have a contract to build this boat and want to know what they can do for you. Port Supply through West Marine is another. Discounts for electrical equipment is in the 50% range. For marine electronics it's in the 5% range however. Varies all over the map, but 30-40% off retail is typical. Offer to put down a credit of $2000 to show them you're serious about spending money with them.

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:11 pm
by laporter
Thanks Evan

All good advice and exactly what I need to hear. We have a 25' express cruiser. My experience is with bigger boats yes, 47' Motor Life boats and icebreaker/buoytenders where everything is oversized.

I've never wired a complete boat but have done quite a substantial retrofit of our existing boat which entailed prodigious use of primary wire. Hopefully as I progress I'll get better at guestimating. I'll be kicking the cat again tonight on the estimates so stay tuned. Thanks very much. I appreciate your time.

Rick

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:22 pm
by jacquesmm
I agree with Evan, your estimates are too high and you should not pay retail.
For example, on the engine, we'll give you a discount if you buy it as a kit. We sell those Vetus accessories for almost half of what you list.

Then for things like ground tackle, I would not pay boutique prices either. get your chain from a hardware store but get more. And buy two or three anchors, not one. Build the swim platform your self: if you can build a boat, the platform will be child's play.
I did not go through the whole spreadsheet but really, the BBQ does not belong in the cost of boat building materials. :wink:
Same for the dock extension cords.

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:48 pm
by laporter
Ok, thanks again Evan, you just saved $1200. Sorry no commission, well at least not yet.

This is still pretty early on in the planning phase and I wanted to create the "worst case" scenario but have actually been pretty surprised and it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Your advice is greatly appreciated and I'm sure Lori's (wife) Mastercard statement will be a little lighter when we get started. So I'll address your comments individually.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Your DC electrical system seems overly complex. Why have a breaker panel for the main panel + 2x12 position fuse blocks + 20 switches? 18 circuits also seems like more than enough for a 28' boat.
I started with the BOM for our 32' steel trawler and have been working my way down to a reasonable level of equipment for this boat. It'll get thinner as I go.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Why so many digital dimmers? For night operation just have a few light fixtures with red bulbs. Wheelhouse electronics should have built in dimmers/night lighting.
Same excuse as above. I think I'll need 2, one for main cabin lights and 1 for fans maybe. I know I could probably get away with none.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:I've never seen a fused starting battery for the engine starting circuit..
Neither have I, again copied from other project BOM.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:You only need one GFCI outlet - tie the other ones downstream to it and all are protected.
Done, thanks. Somehow I knew that.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Why all the primary wire? Boat's DC systems are wired with duplex wire.
Corrected but not fully priced out. I'm pushing the elec guru at work for a complete BOM for the electrical. Until then I have to make it up as I go.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Don't put a fluorescent in the head. They are only on for a few minutes and the bulb and ballast will suffer from frequent on/off. Cheaper incandescent here.
Done
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:You don't need a vapour proof engine light if you use a diesel engine.
Done
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:W circ pump seems very costly.
Researching cheaper/economical alternatives.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Anchoring / Mooring:
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Have either the mooring post OR 2 x 8" cleats on the bow. 2 x 8" cleats on stern. Don't need midship cleats for a 28' boat.
Done.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Mooring ropes are too big and too expensive. 1/2" will be more than sufficient. Buy rope and splice eyes yourself. Don't buy in a chandlery. Yellow pages for ROPE..
I think the store bought ones are cheap enough. I've adjusted the size. I never learned to splice sampson braid when I was a deckand, maybe I should have.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Anchor chain (1/2" or 7MM BBB Grade 40) - doesn't make sense. 1/4" is approriate for this size boat which is 6mm. BBB OR Grade 40, not both (2 different styles). Don't buy chain from a chandlery. Use yellow pages and look for chain.
Typo. Adjusted.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Don't use an anchor swivel. They don't swivel under load and you're only using 20' of chain; not enough to tangle.
Didn't know that. We might use our anchor half dozen times a year in always calm water. No tides or wicked wind shifts to worry about.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Ditch the chain stopper. Not necessary on this size boat or anchor. Piece of rope with a s.s. carabiner. Clip to anchor to hold it in place. Or a pin through the anchor roller into the hole on the anchor.
Done. That's exactly how we have it on our current boat.

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Evan_Gatehouse wrote:What you have listed seems like an awful lot for a 28' trawler and a fair bit seems oversize for the boat.
Big ship experience combined with a little bit of overzealous boat builder envy. I think we all (newbies) want to have it all in 28' when in reality it's not feasable or even possible. We do want to have at least what we have in our 25 footer w/more refrig capacity, more elect. capacity (to remain more independent of shorepower) and a bit more space to move around like a head I can stand up in to haul up my drawers w/o banging my head or having to step into the cabin to do it.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Finally there is one very important comment. You're thinking of paying retail right? I don't do that if at all possible. For sandpaper and a few screws, sure, but for all the medium priced bits I buy from my local marine wholesaler. The big ticket items I shop ebay and private online sales.
The retail prices are for the "worst case" scenario. If I follow all of your leads I know I can do better. I figured 20% was reasonable on most of the low dollar items. Things like engines I might not do as well. I've just begun to scan some Internet sellers for best prices and have included only a few in the estimate so far.
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:For purchases of this magnitude, you should be thinking of setting up a boat building company. Nothing fancy, just some letterhead "Rick's Custom Boats". Then you buy from a big wholesaler. Western Marine is the big one out here; they bought Transat in Barrie ON last year ago.
I've thought of that. I also don't have a problem with supporting local industries if I know I get value in service. As much as we all dislike paying taxes they do support some worthwhile programs (like my salary).
Evan_Gatehouse wrote:Find out who the wholesaler in your region is and talk to them. Say you have a contract to build this boat and want to know what they can do for you. Port Supply through West Marine is another. Discounts for electrical equipment is in the 50% range. For marine electronics it's in the 5% range however. Varies all over the map, but 30-40% off retail is typical. Offer to put down a credit of $2000 to show them you're serious about spending money with them.
There aren't any in the immediate area. There's the main ones like CC, Mermaid, Straight-MacKay and Hutchins and they're all willing to work with "their" local retailers. The only way seems to be as you suggested. I'll have to explore that possibility for sure. There's also a boat building co-op in Ontario that I'm investigating.

So, after all that, do you think this is a worthwhile exercise? I certainly don't want to get 3/4 of the way through the project and be destitute and I think there's a few projects that get started and flop because of poor planning and poor project management. So, if we all can learn a thing or two from this all, I believe it's worth it.

Thanks again.

Rick

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:54 pm
by laporter
jacquesmm wrote:I agree with Evan, your estimates are too high and you should not pay retail.
For example, on the engine, we'll give you a discount if you buy it as a kit. We sell those Vetus accessories for almost half of what you list..
We'll definitely talk when the time comes.

jacquesmm wrote:Then for things like ground tackle, I would not pay boutique prices either. get your chain from a hardware store but get more. And buy two or three anchors, not one. Build the swim platform your self: if you can build a boat, the platform will be child's play.
Absolutely. Maybe we'll collaborate on a design and you can add it to your catalogue.
jacquesmm wrote:I did not go through the whole spreadsheet but really, the BBQ does not belong in the cost of boat building materials. :wink:
Same for the dock extension cords.
Gotcha. I'll move that to another "Nice to have" section.

So, Jacques, what do you think? Is it a worthwhile exercise? I mean it can illustrate the "true cost" of a complete outfit of a very nice boat. Maybe we can all learn something from the whole process. I think properly managing a project of this size with the considerable outlay in capital is the key to success.

You can have the blank spreadsheets when I'm done and you can include them in your plans kit if you want.

I don't want to build a crappy boat if I'm only ever going to get the chance to build one in my life (waiting on TW32*hint hint*). I know it'll never be a Shannon or Devlin but it's gonna be well done. If I was willing to settle for a crappy boat I'd spend my $60K on a 20 yr old Baygrinder.

Rick

PS. Any word from Macca yet?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:46 am
by laporter
So I've moved a few things around. Some costs are fixed so there's no economy there. There's plenty of wiggle room anywhere inbetween the two extremes and I'm comfortable with that. Not really as bad as I originally thought when compared to the steel 32' trawler that was tipping over $200K.

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http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/kbii/summary.htm

Rick

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:47 am
by jacquesmm
It's a good exercise, no doubt.
I have done it a few times to illustrate that the real cost is not in the hull materials and that one should not take shortcuts with plywood or resin.
Start with a quality hull and keep the boat simple, that's my philosophy.
The TW28 is a small trawler. Big for it's waterline but still a small trawler.
I like to keep my boats very simple but that's really personal.
You can have all what you list like fridge, inverter, shower in the cockpit and electric windlass, the boat can take it but it seriously increases the cost.

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:44 am
by Vincent Homer
Has anyone out there built a TW28 or similar size boat using the cnc pre-cut plywood kit? Does using the pre-cut kit help offset lack of building experience? How much time does the pre-cut kit save? It would seem one botched layout would result in considerable lost time and material.

The study plans say the length can be increased by 10%. Is it possible for the CNC plywood cutter to supply a kit with this increase in length?

VHH

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:01 am
by kiwi
1. Not yet
2. Tracing to wood and getting nesting right can take time if you are not used to that kind of thing.
3. It will save some time but the ratio of time saved on a big boat will not be the same as that saved on a small boat where building the hull does not take as much time.

Mesure, check and mesure again before cutting your wood.

Tony

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:25 am
by chrisobee
Vincent Homer wrote:
The study plans say the length can be increased by 10%. Is it possible for the CNC plywood cutter to supply a kit with this increase in length?

VHH
I expect the answer to this is no. The kits are meant for mass production and it would require a lot of one off work to make a kit for a 10% increase.

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:02 am
by tech_support
None of the TW28's being built or finished are in the continental US - so none are made from kits.

Generally, the bigger the boat, the better idea it is to use the kit. It gives you a huge jump into assembly. It can also save money if you cut a large panel wrong.

Increasing the boat by 10% would exclude using a kit. We would have to redesign the boat.

Joel

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:07 am
by UncleRalph
Vincent Homer wrote: How much time does the pre-cut kit save?
It took me between 1-2 hours to measure, mark and cutout a sheet of plywood, depending on the complexity of the nesting on that sheet. See how many sheets are in the TW28 and that will give you an idea of the time saved by buying the kit.

Ralph

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:05 am
by Vincent Homer
Do the pre-cut hull kits come with the stitching holes drilled?

I assume you still have to prepare the scarfs.

Vince Homer

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:44 am
by tech_support
There are no stitching holes, you drill those where you need them. There are no scarf joints, we use fiberglass splices – less wasted wood

Joel

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:34 pm
by laporter
Joel or Jacques

Where can I find more tech info on the System 3 Polyurethane paints? I did a google search and only found the System 3 epoxy site. What I'm looking for are instructions for reducing the paint so it can be sprayed and color charts for color selection, coverage per gallon, recommeded film thickness, recommended temperature for spraying and curing times, etc. I found some tidbits from the Boatbuilder Central site for the highbuild primer being water reducable and coverage at 350 sq. ft. per gallon but that was it.

Are the Stirling paints only roll & tip or can they be sprayed as well?

Trying to figure out what's required for putting a nice finish on the boat.

I'm going to see a young fella this week who's building a Farrier41 in foam & glass so I can see his vacuum bagging up close and in action. I'll be back with a whole lot of questions after that about bagging the entire hull of the TW28 inside and outside so be forewarned! *wink*

Thanks

Rick

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:30 am
by Evan_Gatehouse
Don't think of spraying Sterling (or any other 2 part paint except for System 3) without a positive air supply respirator.

A simple organic vapour filter cartridge will not keep out the isocyanates. (a cyanide compound). You WILL do severe damage to your lungs if you spray without positive air.

If you want technical literature on system 3 paints, go here for primer:
http://www.systemthree.com/p_wr_155.asp
and here for paint:
http://www.systemthree.com/p_wr_lpu.asp

But you have to register (free, no problem) first to get access to the information.

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:35 am
by laporter
Thanks Evan

I was aware of the hazards of spraying these types of paints. I have a friend who's going through chelation therapy as we speak for heavy metal blood poisoning from painting cars without proper respirators.

Thanks for the links. For some reason they eluded me.

Have you got all the mods to your cat done yet?

Rick

Vacuum processes - Sorry, long post.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:41 am
by laporter
Jacques/Joel

I want to do some rough estimates of consumable materials required to vacuum bag or vacuum infuse the hull of the TW28 so I have a few basic questions.

1. What is the total surface area of the outer hull of the TW28 including the keel & transom up to the sheer of the deck? I suppose I could figure it out myself but I'm lazy. Doesn't have to be exact, maybe +- 5% or so.

2. Vacuum bagging & vacuum resin infusion methods will result in a thinner laminate (especially if infused) than a cold molded composite panel. This won't necessarily, from what I've read, result in a "weaker" panel but one that is more flexible. What if any changes to the glass lamination schedule would you recommend?

3. What would you consider to be the optimum epoxy/glass ratio to be in a bagged or infused composite layup for the hull of the TW28? I've read it's anywhere from 40/60 to 70/30 so there's a lot of differing opinions. Would a target of 50/50 be reasonable? For example:

Lets say the hull was 100 sq yrds. The laminate schedule called for a total 30 oz/yrd layup. If we're aiming for a 50/50 ratio of epoxy/glass that would equal 187.5 lbs of epoxy or (Silvertip System 3 = 9.5 lbs/gal) approx. 20 gallons. Sound about right? Would +10% for wastage be reasonable or should more be mixed? That's about 2 gallons or $150 in this scenario.

4. Is it possible to machine stir (hand drill powered paint mixer type) large amounts of epoxy for these types of processes? Does it change any of the properties of the epoxy? Or, is it even necessary?

My reason for asking is purely economical, in that, these processes can result in a much better finish requiring less sanding and fairing. As well they can result in less wastage of epoxy. I've read that the throw away consumables for boats of similar size to the TW28 would be about $500 which isn't too bad if you consider the time, effort & consumables of sanding, filling & fairing a conventional cold layup. These processes also seem to be more user friendly in that you don't require the Tyvek suits, respirators, gloves etc.

Anyhow, for the record, I'll build smaller boats before tackling anything this size. There will be experiments that I'll document & share before we get to this point. There seems to be a evil force in the universe that doesn't want me to start this project (more costly truck repairs) but we'll get to it eventually.

Thanks fellas.

Rick

Re: Vacuum processes - Sorry, long post.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:12 am
by jacquesmm
laporter wrote:Jacques/Joel

I want to do some rough estimates of consumable materials required to vacuum bag or vacuum infuse the hull of the TW28 so I have a few basic questions.

1. What is the total surface area of the outer hull of the TW28 including the keel & transom up to the sheer of the deck? I suppose I could figure it out myself but I'm lazy. Doesn't have to be exact, maybe +- 5% or so.
Look at your nesting drawing. Take all the hull panels, that's what you need: around 30 sheets for hull and deck. I say around because I don't know how much you will do in foam, how much in honeycomb or plywood etc. You could do everything in foam sandwich. In that case, it takes the same number of sheets than plywood sheets, very easy.
Warning: the thickness of the foam is NOT the same than the plywood.
WARNING: the type of fiberglass and number of layers is VERY different in foam sandwich.

2. Vacuum bagging & vacuum resin infusion methods will result in a thinner laminate (especially if infused) than a cold molded composite panel. This won't necessarily, from what I've read, result in a "weaker" panel but one that is more flexible. What if any changes to the glass lamination schedule would you recommend?

We would need 10 pages to compare infused to cold molded. Which cold molded? Which infused laminate? I can make either one stronger or weaker.
I build my first foam sandwich boat in the 70's and have more experience than many in that field.
I can calculate a laminate schedule, we do it for those who buy the supplies from us. I could give you at least guidelines but it will be on my long list of jobs.
This is not a change in laminate, it is a very different one.

3. What would you consider to be the optimum epoxy/glass ratio to be in a bagged or infused composite layup for the hull of the TW28? I've read it's anywhere from 40/60 to 70/30 so there's a lot of differing opinions. Would a target of 50/50 be reasonable? For example:

Lets say the hull was 100 sq yrds. The laminate schedule called for a total 30 oz/yrd layup. If we're aiming for a 50/50 ratio of epoxy/glass that would equal 187.5 lbs of epoxy or (Silvertip System 3 = 9.5 lbs/gal) approx. 20 gallons. Sound about right? Would +10% for wastage be reasonable or should more be mixed? That's about 2 gallons or $150 in this scenario.
It's not a matter of opinion or personal preferences. This is science, physics. You will be limited by what your skills and equipment can do. 50% glass will be good and that is what I aim for but, in order to get there, you need some experience with fiberglass. What is your level of expertise? Did you ever try to vacuum bag? Infuse? Do you understand what you are in for? Would it not be more reasonable to keep it simple and do a good open mold job instead of taking a chance to have dry spots that you will not see?
We calculate our BOM's through elaborate spreadsheets, 30+ pages for the TW28. I don't like to guess how much you will need without doing the whole job but foam sandwich cost around twice what plywood-epoxy cost in materials.


4. Is it possible to machine stir (hand drill powered paint mixer type) large amounts of epoxy for these types of processes? Does it change any of the properties of the epoxy? Or, is it even necessary?
Not worth considering at that level.

My reason for asking is purely economical, in that, these processes can result in a much better finish requiring less sanding and fairing. As well they can result in less wastage of epoxy. I've read that the throw away consumables for boats of similar size to the TW28 would be about $500 which isn't too bad if you consider the time, effort & consumables of sanding, filling & fairing a conventional cold layup. These processes also seem to be more user friendly in that you don't require the Tyvek suits, respirators, gloves etc.

Anyhow, for the record, I'll build smaller boats before tackling anything this size. There will be experiments that I'll document & share before we get to this point. There seems to be a evil force in the universe that doesn't want me to start this project (more costly truck repairs) but we'll get to it eventually.

Thanks fellas.

Rick
Good idea: build a small boat with the open mold method (our standard method) first, then a second one same method, trying to use less resin, then build some parts using a vacuum bag and if all that works fine, try a small part with infusion. Next a large part with infusion then maybe a hull. If you try to infuse a hull without following that learning path, it is guaranteed to fail.
I have poly/vinylester infusion experience and used the method in production, I took an advanced SAMPE seminar about infusion a few years ago and try to keep up to date on the technique. Last year, Joel and I fabricated some infused panels and I messed up a few by keeping the vacuum too high and other errors. Each wasted panel was $ 400.00 of good resin, foam and glass. To mess up the infusion of a TW28 hull can cost as much as $ 15,000.00, all wasted in a few hours. I would not do it.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:03 am
by laporter
Thanks for the response Jacques. I know you're busy and appreciate your time.
jacquesmm wrote:Look at your nesting drawing. Take all the hull panels, that's what you need:
I was going to ask you for the scantlings in foam offline when the time is right. If I go the foam route (I can get some CoreCell at half price right now) it would be for the cabin sides & cabin top as recommended in the plans, I'd stick with the marine ply you specify for the hull & decks. I'll do my homework and figure out the areas from the drawings.
jacquesmm wrote:We would need 10 pages to compare infused to cold molded. Which cold molded? Which infused laminate? I can make either one stronger or weaker.
I should have been more specific in my hypothetical scenario. It would be the exact scantlings specified in the stock TW28 plans built exactly as you instruct. The whole idea was to produce a fairer hull. I think the TW28 is big enough to benefit from vacuum bagging or vacuum infusion even considering the cost of disposables involved.
jacquesmm wrote:It's not a matter of opinion or personal preferences. This is science, physics. You will be limited by what your skills and equipment can do. 50% glass will be good and that is what I aim for but, in order to get there, you need some experience with fiberglass. What is your level of expertise?
What is my level of experience? Zero! This is why I'm doing some research. I will try all the methods we've discussed to gain that experience. I have worked on "Big Ship" & "Little Ship" construction projects and have an appreciation for what's involved, hence the pre-planning & research. My professional qualifications are in marine engineering logistics so, by nature, I have a tendency to think big and scale everything up which adds an increased level of detail to everything I do, for that I appologize.
jacquesmm wrote:Did you ever try to vacuum bag? Infuse? Do you understand what you are in for? Would it not be more reasonable to keep it simple and do a good open mold job instead of taking a chance to have dry spots that you will not see?
No, haven't done any of that yet but soon. From my research I have a pretty good idea of what I'm in for or I wouldn't be posing these questions. I intend to try all the methods available on a wide variety of materials so that I can see what's going to work. I'll document and share those experiences with everybody here for our collective benefit.
jacquesmm wrote:Good idea: build a small boat with the open mold method (our standard method) first, then a second one same method, trying to use less resin, then build some parts using a vacuum bag and if all that works fine, try a small part with infusion. Next a large part with infusion then maybe a hull. If you try to infuse a hull without following that learning path, it is guaranteed to fail.
Absolutely will do that. Start small, gain experience, experiment, figure out what works for me then move up. Sounds like a great plan and sage advice.
jacquesmm wrote:I have poly/vinylester infusion experience and used the method in production, I took an advanced SAMPE seminar about infusion a few years ago and try to keep up to date on the technique.
I knew you would have this experience that's why I asked the question! I also knew you'd be a decent enough fella to share your knowledge and experience with us, that's what sets Bateau ahead of everyone else.
jacquesmm wrote:Last year, Joel and I fabricated some infused panels and I messed up a few by keeping the vacuum too high and other errors. Each wasted panel was $ 400.00 of good resin, foam and glass. To mess up the infusion of a TW28 hull can cost as much as $ 15,000.00, all wasted in a few hours. I would not do it.
You can probably write off your mistakes as a "research & development" failure on your corporate income taxes. We don't have that ability. All this pre-planning and research I'm doing is to avoid exactly that scenario. I try to learn, firstly from those who have gone before then try what they recommend to see if I can make it work for me too! I'm not a rich person with tons of money to throw away on a boat project like this so I have to do my homework. Otherwise I'd pay someone else to do it but that's not why we're here.

My only desire is to build a well engineered and nice looking boat that's reliable and safe.

Rick

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:17 am
by jacquesmm
If I understand correctly, all what you expect from infusion is a fair surface. In that case, use the "poor man's peel ply" solution: a sheet of polyethylene over the wet resin. That's all you need.
Last coat only because most plastics leave a residue.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:54 am
by laporter
jacquesmm wrote:If I understand correctly, all what you expect from infusion is a fair surface.
No that's not all I expect. Maybe that didn't come across in the discussion.

A boat engineered to be: Strong, Light, Economical (minimal waste of materials) and looks good (as good as any professional boat builder could do with the same materials). That's what I want and I'll figure out how to achieve it. If it means spending $5 on 100 yards of Visqueen or $500 on consumable vacuum infusion materials, so be it, money isn't the issue. I'll shut up now.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:34 pm
by tech_support
laporter wrote:A boat engineered to be: Strong, Light, Economical (minimal waste of materials) and looks good (as good as any professional boat builder could do with the same materials). That's what I want and I'll figure out how to achieve it.
In that case then just build it as designed :D

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:07 pm
by laporter
shine wrote: In that case then just build it as designed :D
Yes Dear! :wink: Sorry, couldn't resist. I defer to the experts and take their advice. I'm going to waste some sticky stuff and glass this winter so we'll see what kind of mess's I can make!

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:36 pm
by laporter
Joel

I had to return an e-mail on that small order for the trial kit etc. It went back to orders at e-boat.net. Will you get that mail or was it from an automated account? I have one small problem with the order, that's all.

RIck

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:39 pm
by tech_support
send it to orders@e-boat.net - we can fix it

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:53 pm
by laporter
shine wrote:send it to orders@e-boat.net - we can fix it
That's the addy I used. Thanks Joel.

It's amazing how heavy the 1708 & 1208 is! Having never seen or held it before it's quite surprising. Looking forward to getting real sticky real soon!

Thanks again.

Rick

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:37 am
by tech_support
Yes, it is thick relative to the lightweight cloth in most small boats.

We will be putting out more large boats in the future which require heavier glass. Its time to make tutorial explaining the best ways to wet out different types of glass. Its all here on the message board already, but a static page will be a help.

I will work on that page today and hopefully have it up next week.

Joel

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:18 am
by laporter
Hey Joel

When hanging the glass, considering the weight and sizes involved in doing something like a 28' trawler hull, would mechanically fastening the cloth first help? I've seen these.....

http://www.raptornails.com/english/tech_nail.html

Plastic staples to hold the cloth would mean you could just leave them in. Would probably cut down on the cloth possibly sliding down out of position. Of course you could only "hang" it right? As the cloth gets wetted out its dimensions would change. It sounds like these staples are tough enough to sink into the marine plywood.

Something else to consider. My Grandpa always told me, no matter how big your toolbox is, you'll never have enough good tools in it! He was a master machinist, tool & die maker, mechanic, electrician and plumber. I was always amazed at his workshop. He made most of his tools, a skill that's rapidly being lost I think.

Rick

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:55 am
by tech_support
you dont need staples

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:32 pm
by tech_support
There is a page on "wetting out glass" a BBC now. Here is the link....

http://boatbuildercentral.com/help/wettingoutglass.htm

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:06 pm
by laporter
Hi Joel

I read that, cool, thanks. Still a little concerned about the heavier fabrics (1208 & 1708) on large surfaces such as the hull of the TW28. That's a lot of real estate to cover in one shot. I'm guessing with normal slow epoxy it'd be an "all hands on deck" affair (couple of hands mixing epoxy, couple pre-coating & hanging fabric and a couple to wet it out) or would that be an affair you could spread out over a couple of days? Doing a side at a time or above chine one day then below chine the next? Ok, now let's vacuum bag the whole thing! :roll:

Keeping all those hands moving would kind of be like hurding cats methinks!

Rick

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:17 pm
by tech_support
If it were me, I would use an extra layer of lighter cloth vs. one layer of heavy glass. For example, it would be a lot easier to wet out 2 layers of 17 oz Biax than one layer of 1708 - its more expensive but is a lot easier to manage because you can roll it out "dry" over the part and wet it out in place.

You want to do as much as possible in each shot. If you have all you supplies at hand and one extra set of hands, you could very easy to the entire hull in a couple days.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:36 pm
by jacquesmm
What Joel says is correct but we can assume that two men will be present to fiberglass such a large hull. 3 is ideal.
Since you want to work wet on wet as much as possible, organize your work to have help those days. Cut all the glass in advance, that can be done alone but have some help the day you fibegrlass. Even inexperienced laminators can cover the hull of a TW28 in one day. At worst, they do one side one day and the other the next day.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:49 pm
by laporter
Thanks guys that puts some concerns to rest. I think Joel had mentioned before in the tutorials or forums that the matt backed cloths were harder to wet out. 2 X 17 oz. would be quite a bit more wouldn't it? Considering the extra epoxy required to thoroughly wet it all out, almost double?

Oh yeah, I'll give you fella's a call when I'm ready, ok? *lol* All the Molson Canadian beer you can drink and all the back bacon you can eat!

Rick

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:23 pm
by ArizonaBuilder
All the Molson Canadian beer you can drink and all the back bacon you can eat!
I miss a good fish and chips dinner.. or maybe some Swiss Chalet chicken.
:cry: :cry:

Join me in a toast

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Raise your glasses fella's and join me in a toast to the end of another great season of boating on the St. Lawrence, Rideau and Ottawa rivers. The boat is safely on the trailer and parked in the dooryard. This will be the last time we winterize it (I hope) as the "For Sale" sign goes on it in the spring after a few upgrades to the electrical system and some cosmetic work. This will be the first major milestone in the pursuit of our TW28 project. We'll be boatless for a couple of years but that's ok, there won't be time for boating and building!

It was a great year! 400 miles around Eastern Ontario cruising the greatest canal system in Canada. Met a whole lot of very nice people and toured a few exceptionally nice boats. Only casualties was 1 set of new props (rebuilt successfully) and some pride but it was all in the aid of another boater. The ole' boat ran like a champ which never ceases to amaze me as I rebuilt the engine myself! Go figure thank gawd for small miracles.

In the spring we'll put in some fresh batteries, upgrade some wiring, have the outdrive serviced, replace some pinstripe (I have no idea where they went! :? ) and some elbow grease on the brightwork. That's it! It'll go to a new family as reliable and dependable as possible for a 20 year old boat (It's in a helluva lot better shape than when we got it!).

All the best to you waiting to finish your seasons and those heading south for the warmth of the tropics (woosies :wink: ).

Cheers!

Yours Aye!

Rick

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
Woosies? :D Our boating seasons never end. Sometime it's warmer than others, but we do something year around with our boats. BTW, it's 84F degrees in the swamps today. Low about 68F tonight. Some of our trees are almost changing colors. But I'll raise a glass to you anyway :lol:

So there you are, sitting up there in front of a warm fire, while we're out in the hot swamps, chasing deer and wild hogs and almost wild hunting dogs, swatting bugs, stepping over the snakes and around the gators, catching fish and shrimp and crabs, gathering oysters, never get a winter to rest, and you're calling us woosies :doh:

Just kidding of course. I AM a woosie when it comes to being cold :!: Don't know how anyone can even live up there. You guys are tough :!: I'd freeze to death.

Cheers to you too, Rick. Have a good hibernation :P Should we wake you in the spring :?

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:34 pm
by ArizonaBuilder
Don't know how anyone can even live up there.
Don't let Rick fool you. It is not that cold where he is. The winters can be pretty mild. Now head north to Sault Ste. Marie and you will freeze your a?? off. :) :) :)

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Heya Larry & Terry

I call'd ya'll woosies as a term of endearment! :? hehehe

We live for the day and dream all winter about a year round boating season. When I started with the CG we spent the winters in the upper Great Lakes on an icebreaker and it was great but I don't think even one of Jacques fine designs will break ice! Terry's right, the winters are getting a little milder although we'll see more wacky weather than usual, ice rain and flash floods etc. I spent 6 winters in Thunder Bay and it gets perdy cold up there, I remember taking pics on the aft deck one day it was -44 plus the wind chill, film froze solid after 2 shots and it'd take 3-4 hours to thaw the camera out. It was weird in the spring though, you'd wake up it'd be -30 with 3 feet of snow on the ground, the Chinook winds would roll across the prairies and by noon we'd all be out in short sleeves playing baseball.

My wifette just got back from Manila in the Philipines. When she left it was 95 degs and 90% humidity, she stepped off the plane in Ottawa it was 40 degs! She enjoyed the cooler temps for hmmm? 3 minutes maybe! I know I don't tolerate the heat too well and suffer a lot so it'll be a challenge, for me anyways, when we eventually get a chance to spend winters south.

Will ya take me gator huntin' Larry? :D

Rick

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
-44 :?: 8O 8O 8O :help: It was 88F here today.

Yep, you're tougher than I am. I get cold when it's +44. Not going where it's minus 44. That's why Delta was started IMO. I'm told you can dress for it, but I've bought everything LL Bean and Patagonia makes, and I still get cold.

And yes, I'll take you gator hunting anytime you want to. Come on down. They hibernate in the cold months, January and February, but the other 10 months we can usually find gators.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:50 am
by Gubbs
Rick,

Don't know if you heard, but Valley Marine on Bently is closing down forever at the end of the month. Everything is 40% off. I got some pretty good deals on stuff for my GT23. You may want to see if you pick up some good stuff for your TW28.

Cheers

Bill

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rick,

Don't know if you heard, but Valley Marine on Bently is closing down forever at the end of the month. Everything is 40% off. I got some pretty good deals on stuff for my GT23. You may want to see if you pick up some good stuff for your TW28.

Cheers

Bill
Thanks for the tip Bill. I'll check that out. :D I've scored a few good deals off of e-bay and another bbs I frequent so we're moving along collecting bits and parts.

Where are you with your GT23 project? Are you still building? I'd like to check that out!!

Rick

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:51 am
by Gubbs
Yesterday's post (I think you looked at it already) shows my GT23 being rolled over. Your welcome to come and see it in person some weekend, if you like. Its a bit of a hike because I am building it at my cottage on Sharbot Lake, up off of Hwy 7. Probably a 1hr45min drive for you.

cheers

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Bill

Yup that's a perdy good hike from Iroquois. Probably closer to 2 hours but would definitely be worth the trip some nice weekend. We'll keep in touch. Again, thanks for the tip. Now all I gotta do is talk the Admiral out of her Mastercard some Saturday between now and the end of the sale! 8)

Rick

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Looks like our boating season has come to an abrupt end. Outdrive needs major repairs (read expensive). We'll get that done but it'll be a couple of weeks and our holidays are ruined for this year. That's it! She goes on the trailer. A little spit and polish and the "Fore Sale" sign goes up. Now don't get me wrong she's still a great boat and will have a fully refurbished VP Duoprop outdrive soon. She's in a heck of a lot better shape then when we got her 5 yrs ago, it's just I've had 'nuff of fixin' stuff. The list of new equipment we've put on her is extensive and I know she'll be reliable. So ifyou know anyone in themarket for a 25' express cruiser at a great price let me know!

So what has that got to do with a TW28, well I guess it'll accellerate our plans a bit! Wohoo!

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:11 am
by jeremy
Sorry to hear about your outdrive problems... or congratulations, I'm not sure which. :doh:

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:26 am
by Jerry-rigged
Congradulations on breaking your boat bad enought to justify the upgrade. :lol: :lol:

How soon till we get pics of a jig? 8O :lol:

Jerry

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jerry-rigged wrote:Congradulations on breaking your boat bad enought to justify the upgrade. :lol: :lol:
Probably a good thing Jerry. Just thinking of all that gas we saved this year.
Jerry-rigged wrote: How soon till we get pics of a jig? 8O :lol:
Hmmmm? Next March possibly! House will be paid for that's what we're waiting for to start. Got the spot to build it but that won't be vacated till March as well. The shed has a gravel floor and I'm trying to convince the owner to let me use it rent free if I pour a concrete floor. We'll see how that goes.

Good, bad & Ugly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:30 am
by Knottybuoyz
Bad & Ugly: I got my o/d back yesterday in pieces. After 7 weeks the limits of my tolerance had come to an end. In search today of a good Volvo Penta mechanic!

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Good: We scored the first "REAL" parts for our TW28. I picked up 4 oval portlights off of e-Bay for $59 ea.!!

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http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... :IT&ih=013

These should go very nicely in the main cabin! When I first spotted these a few months ago the guy had about 90 of them. He's only got 14 left if anybody's interested.

prop shaft downangle :?:

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jacques

I'm trying to figure out the prop shaft downangle. I don't think it was covered in the plans so I clipped this from the scaled drawing. Am I correct in measuring this at 8 degs?

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Thnx.

Rick :?:

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:45 am
by jacquesmm
It's 8 degrees but that is for a Twin-disc transmission. Some others are 7 degrees but that doesn't make a big difference, just a small cut in the engine beds, easy to adjust.

Life gets in the way

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
There are some life altering events that get in the way of the master plan.

A week ago Monday my wife (Knottygirlz) had a major heart attack. We were sitting at home watching the tv show "The Guard" (about Cdn Coast Guard rescue station in BC) when she started to suffer some serious chest pain. I could see the color draining from her face and knew something was up. I got her loaded in the Jimmy for a trip to the hospital (25 miles) but we never made it more than half a mile from home when she started to head south quickly. I called 911 and turned around to head home. The ambulance arrived about 20 mins later and we got her shipped off to the hospital. We were there for about half an hour when the test results and the doc realized this was a major event and ordered another ambulance to take her to the Ottawa Heart Institute. Within 5 minutes of arriving there they had her in the cath lab and sure enough her entire right cardiac artery was blocked solid. Another 5 minutes after that they had a stent in her heart to open the blockage. The relief from the pain was almost immediate. A couple weeks of recouperation at home and then light duties and telework and she'll be back in good shape. She's a tough ole' bird! :wink:

So to make a long story short, we're going to delay the build of our boat for probably a year and enjoy the boat we have. Last year our outdrive suffered an upper seal failure and was hijacked by an unscrupulous mobile mechanic who tore the entire drive down (w/o my permission)which ruined our entire boating season. I had to recover my drive in pieces from him (he never billed me because he had no signed work order and also put in a lot of expensive parts I never authorized) and had a pro shop rebuild it ($1500). So we really really need a break this summer and plan to do an up/down run on the Rideau Canal. I'd like to do some of the Erie Canal but we better stick a little closer to home this time.

In the mean tmie I'll watch the other builds going on, there's a few FL26's underway and a couple TW28's going together. I especially enjoy Sam & Larry's build! :wink:

Over the last few months I've been picking up some deals off of e-Bay on misc. hardware etc. I've got a basement full of portlights, plumbing bits, hardware, charger/inverter, wire, fiberglass etc. plus making a few things myself, hatches, stern tube, etc. That'll keep me occupied for awhile. We have been preparing the old Sunray for sale and have put in a lot of new equipment, batteries, h/w heater, battery charger, wiring, stereo, Garmin GPS plotter, etc. and would like to enjoy using the new equipment ourselves before someone else gets a great boat.

Cheers fella's keep the pics and build updates coming. I'll be watching.

Rick

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:24 am
by Cracker Larry
Rick, so sorry to hear about your wife :cry: And so happy to hear she will be OK :D The doctors are amazing today with their heart work.

My best to you both. We'll be here 8)

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:49 am
by dbldipper1
If everyone that reads this forum never learns anything else I hope they learn that when there is a medical emergency to call 911. Do not load a person in the family automobile and go charging down the road. Spokaloo (fire/medic) probably paled considerably when you said you loaded your wife into the jimmy and headed for the hospital. Our fire/medic units here in Olympia/Tumwater Washington are outstanding. My wife had a heart attack and they were here in a matter of minutes. She ended up with a 3 way bypass and is doing great. I had to be intubated in the back of one of their units and after several days in the hospital I am trying to build an FL12. I am very happy your wife is ok. Get your boat fixed, go boating and enjoy life.

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:25 am
by robbiro
Rick,
Things seem to come up at times that we don't choose, but this may be a good thing in the long run. It gives you more time to research, develop and gather pieces and parts for THE BUILD :!:
Pass on too Knottygirlz that she is in our thoughts and prayers and we wish you a safe and fun boating season in the refurbed old boat. Enjoy and like you always do post plenty of pics of the interesting boats and ports of call you see.

Keep on Buildin' (or at least collecting)

Robbie

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:41 pm
by Spokaloo
Glad to hear she got to Cath fast. Where you are there is a substantial mortality rate because most people with CAD (no, the other one, Coronary Artery Disease) don't have healthy enough myocardium to tolerate something as severe as a RCA block like hers. Ive stuck many an endotracheal tube in people younger than her, in pain for less time, and much closer to a care facility.

Luckily Ottawa has some substantial hospitals up there, and I believe at least one university hospital. Always good to hear the survival stories, because all too often we are the last part of the chain when someone doesn't call soon enough.

Definitely get out there and enjoy some time on the water. As you well know (and probably laid awake at night over the past week thinking about), our life here is a flicker of time, so you have to make the best of it.

E

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all your wellwishes fella's. I'll pass them onto the ole' girl. There's no way I'm lettin' her outta this boat build that easy!!! She's the seamstress and has her part to play in the entire project (besides paying for a healthy portion of it! :wink: )

You're right Spook, we're lucky we got her the treatment she needed as quickly as we did. The Ottawa Heart Institute is probably "THE" best facility of it's kind in Canada. They actively recruit the best physicians in the field from around the world. It is one truly amazing facility!

I've got some training (from my seagoing days) but knew my limits of what I'd be able to do for her (or anyone else for that matter) in an emergency. When she started to get sicker I knew it was time to call the pro's. We're going to update our First Aid & CPR certs this spring!

Thnx. guys.

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:43 pm
by Steven
Glad to hear the Mrs. is going to make a good recovery. Can't imagine the terror. My wifes aunt had a hear attack in her sleep. Mid forties in good condition. Turns out she had an unknown heart condidtion. My wife's ucle performed CPR until the paramedics arrived. They removed her from life support a week later. She never regained conciousness. Life is fragile. Enjoy your summer of boating with your bride. The build will be there when you are ready.

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
We're not completely at a standstill on our trawler project. I've continued to find bargains on hardware/accessories on e-Bay. The growing pile of boat parts has spread from the basement workshop into the rec room!
8O

We've finally gotten our old boat back in the water after 10 months waiting to get the O/D rebuilt and installed. That's another long sad story but we sunk a fair chunk of change into the old girl to get her ready for an extended summer cruise up and back on the Rideau Canal. So far we've added/upgraded:

Garmin 540S chartplotter, antenna and fuel flow sensor
Waeco 120/12v refer
Jensen AM/FM/CD stereo w/remote and 4 speakers
Force 10 H/W heater
Replaced all running/marker lights with LED's
Two new series 27 deep cycle batteries
Replaced battery isolator with Blue Sea ACR
Larger Bennett trim tabs (18x12) (old ones were 18x9)
Bennett electronic trim tab switch w/indicators
Jabsco/Flojet searchlight
Promariner 20 Amp 2 bank battery charger

The O/D ended up costing almost $1500 to have reassembled after mechanic tore it down w/o my permission and he stuck in a new set of bearings ($800) also w/o me approving. I got the drive back in pieces last Sept. and took it to another shop. The last thing I said to the first mechanic was "My lawyer and I are awaiting your invoice!". Haven't seen one yet!!!

Reinstalling the O/D was a real learning experience and doing it single handed was a test in patience (persistance). Wifey says it's pure stubborness. The fact I'm cheap doesn't figure into anything! :wink:

She won't win any beauty contests but she's all ours. Here she is rigged and ready to get wet.

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First day out was last Saturday. Below is the Ogdensburg NY-Prescott ON International bridge.

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Keep building fella's. Hopefully this time next year we'll be up to our armpits in plywood dust, fiberglass and epoxy.

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:41 am
by robbiro
Rick,
I don't know about beauty contests, but she really looks seaworthy to me and that is the real bottom line when we get right down to it. A buddy bought a new boat that was one of the slickest looking hulls that I have ever seen, but within three months he had to put it in the repair shop and they had to add at least two more stringers and cross braces just to handle the loading. It never was right, but it looked good :doh: :!: :!: :roll:
I like your guard/rescue dog in the front window, he looks ready for action.

Keep on Buildin'

Robbie

Addedd another skill to the set

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So now that we have some time before we start our boat building obsession we've added another skill to the set. The wifey (KnottyGirls) has put together her first zip in plastic window!

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I bought her a heavy duty Singer 500A sewing machine and we picked up a proper snap tool a few weeks ago. The edge binding came from Great Lakes Skipper as mfgr overstock. Total material cost about $40 for this one window and according to Knottygirlz about 8 hrs labour and a lot of colorful language. It was a bit of a puzzle figuring out how it all went together. It ain't professional quality but it's good 'nuff for that ole' boat! Now the next boat she's gotta raise her game to a new higher level! :wink:

Countdown has begun in earnest!

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Almost finished knocking off the 4th last "HoneyDo"! Spent the last couple of weeks, inbetween rain & thunderstorms, putting a steel roof on the house. Probably not a big job for some of the handyguys here but this was quite a challenge for me (deathly afraid of heights). From the time I rented the scaffolding it's rained 25 of the last 30 days! So instead of stripping the old roof we strapped over it and put the tin up on that. As you can imagine the roof ain't sqare so spent a lot of time figuring that out. Anywho probably another days work (ran out of screws) and it'll be done then all I have left to do is.....

3.. get driveway paved
2.. level off backyard (culvert, retaining wall, fill)
1.. finish front porch (carpet & railing)

Then I can start buildin'! Wohoo! :wink:

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:58 pm
by peter-curacao
robbiro wrote:I like your guard/rescue dog in the front window, he looks ready for action.
Isn't he already in action? what the hell is he doing with the cigarette lighter in the dash? 8O :lol:

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:15 pm
by topwater
8O 8O ....... :lol:

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
robbiro wrote:I like your guard/rescue dog in the front window, he looks ready for action.
Isn't he already in action? what the hell is he doing with the cigarette lighter in the dash? 8O :lol:
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Hmmm? *lol* Well a dog's gotta pee once in awhile eh?

Here he is again in action today! Oh by the way, his name is Ranger!

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The hole his back feet are in is left over from the removal of an old searchlight switch. Didn't know how to plug it so we stuck him in there! :wink:

!!!!

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Roof's done! What a freakin' job. Definitely not a single handed project. For the most part I did it all myself, strapped the roof and laid the tin. Took me just a tad over 2 weeks inbetween rain and stiffling heat. I'm ready for anythin' now! :wink:

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
In lookin' at Larry's and a few other builds it seems apparent that you can never have 'nuff clamps! :? I picked up this lot at a warehouse outlet store for $50. Still not gonna be 'nuff eh? :wink:

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
That looks just like the metal I put on my shop roof. They were in 16' sheets. Not an easy job at all, Sam wasn't much help either. Makes boatbuilding seem easy by comparison.8)
In lookin' at Larry's and a few other builds it seems apparent that you can never have 'nuff clamps!


You ain't got nuff yet to build a 28' boat :roll: unless you've got more hidden somewhere. Should have bought 3 of those $50 lots :lol:

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:That looks just like the metal I put on my shop roof. They were in 16' sheets. Not an easy job at all, Sam wasn't much help either. Makes boatbuilding seem easy by comparison.8)
In lookin' at Larry's and a few other builds it seems apparent that you can never have 'nuff clamps!


You ain't got nuff yet to build a 28' boat :roll: unless you've got more hidden somewhere. Should have bought 3 of those $50 lots :lol:
Thnx Larry. I kinda figured I'd need a lot more. They've had to order more 'cause I cleaned them out. They're about 1/3 the price of the big box stores. I think the 18"ers will be the most useful. Any other tools I should be looking for? I've got all the saws & routers etc. I'll need. Not a whole lot of hand tools though. I'm thinkin' one of those laser levelling thingies would be helpful. I'll be building in a shelter with a gravel floor so keeping everything level will be a bit of a challenge.

My roof panels were 19' long. Not as heavy as you'd think, about 45 lbs each. You just latch onto them with a rope and vice grips and once they're over the eves you just run up the roof and they follow right into place.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:43 am
by WobblyLegs
Rick,

I didn't use big clamps like you have hanging there that much in my build, but was ALWAYS short of little clamps.

Even when you think you have enough little clamps, when you come to using them you will wish you had two more.

Tim.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:54 am
by Daddy
Knotty, you can make a lot of inexpensive clamps out of pvc pipe sections, perfect for laminations like rubrails and such.
Daddy

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:42 am
by jgroves
When I put my rubrail on my fs17 I counted 48 clamps on the boat at one time 8O . Of course I did both sides at the same time. :D
Jeremy

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We've had our last vacation on our old boat. It started out bad and got worse! First day out we got caught in a storm, lost windshield wiper and had to lay over 25 mi short of our destination. Just as we tied up the sun came out! The plan was to transit the Rideau Canal from Kingston ON to Ottawa and return.

Aboard were the Admiral and two cats, Shadow & Squirt. Squirt was the newest addition to the crew, a big fat Orange Tabby. It seemed he settled in well and got used to the boat fairly quickly. We keep both cats on harness's and tethers. Squirts, cause he's 18 lbs, was on a Pug harness (extra strong). Well 5th. night out we go ashore for pizza at a friend cottage and Squirt jumps ship! I don't know how he got out of his harness but he did and took off into the woods. We searched most of the night and the next day before we had to move on. We never did make it to Ottawa. Two days after Squirt took off we were in Smith Falls ON and we just could not go back to look for him. We printed up "Missing" posters and plastered them all over the area he was lost in. No luck so far! We'll be back tomorrow for more searching.

On the brighter side the boat worked really well. All the new equipment worked as planned. We went down a size in pitch on the duoprops and the boat responded well especially when loaded down with all the gear. It seemed to use a lot more fuel at slow speeds but I guess that's to be expected. I reinstalled the outdrive myself and had some problems getting the drive bellows back on but they stayed put. A minor adjustment to the shift mechanism was all that was needed to make it perfect.

It rained almost every day and we got hammered by some good storms especially last night in Kingston On. I'd say the winds hit 60 mph and the rain was horizontal. The ole' boat sprung some leaks in places it's never leaked before. One spot was in the deck hatch latch right above where my head is on the bunk. It was just like the ole' Chinese water torture! *lol* We cleared 15 locks on the Rideau yesterday and missed the last gas stop at Kingston so we headed for Portsmouth Olympic Harbour and mooched a hot shower from my buddies at the Coast Guard station there. The harbormaster was kind enough to let us stay on the fuel dock overnight for free! I guess we looked like a bunch of boat refugees that day, 15 locks on the Rideau is a very long day.

We saw some weird and wonderful boats on the trip. I managed to grab a few pics to share....

This one fits in the "weird category"....

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This is a '63 Lyman 24' Overnighter in beautiful condition with origninal engine (IIRC was a AMC 130 HP straight six).

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We've encountered this beauty before. Not sure of the make or model but it's old and in incredible shape.

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Trumpy? Sure looks like one. Couldn't see the name on it.

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This beauty was snapped from a distance so it's a lil' fuzzy.

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This one also fits in the "weird" cateogry. I think I know the surveyor who did the stability calcs on this one! *lol*

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And here's ole' KnottyBuoyz II in Seeley's Bay On. We'll finish making the new zip in windows and get some upholstery fixed and she's goin' up For Sale!

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She's been a pretty good ole' boat. I learned a lot working on her. Everything from hydraulics, plumbing, wiring and even sandblasting & painting an outdrive! Season winds down now so it probably won't sell fast. Oh well I'm in no real hurry till next spring to move her to make room to build our trawler.

The search for Squirt continues tomorrow! Stay tuned.....

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:04 pm
by Cracker Larry
Hope you find Squirt :!:

Dori and I lost our dog Sebastion, a black lab one night on Daufuskie Island, SC, due to a bunch of drunks shooting fireworks. I didn't leave until I found him, it only took a few days. Hope you are that lucky, cats are weird.

I sounds like a great trip otherwise. You probably won't miss the duo- props :?:

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:37 pm
by gk108
Knottybuoyz wrote: This one fits in the "weird category"....

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That needs to be down here on some coastal river with a red D15 tied to it. :D

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:39 pm
by peter-curacao
8O 8O 8O 8O That's not a boat 8O 8O 8O 8O

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:01 am
by TomW
Nice pics. Hope you find Squirt, we lost one of our cats on a trip one time just as we were about home. Made the hour drive every weekend for several months with no luck. Finally gave up and hoped that someone gave Punkin a good home.

Tom

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:58 am
by JohnC
In your post from 08-06-08, the second pic (below the Lyman 24') could possibly be a Grew built in Penetang, ONTARIO at the southern end of Georgian Bay.

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
JohnC wrote:In your post from 08-06-08, the second pic (below the Lyman 24') could possibly be a Grew built in Penetang, ONTARIO at the southern end of Georgian Bay.
I don't know John. Maybe. I've seen some of the old Grew's from Penetang and never one like that. It seems like a more southerly design with the hard top above the cabin aft.

The clamp collection grew by 12 today (8 more bar clamps and 4 corner clamps) as well as a new pneumatic orbital sander and impact wrench set (dunno why just wanted one).

Squirt update: We got a call today from someone who spotted a big orange cat in their neighborhood. If it was Squirt he's travelled about 8 miles in 8 days and is heading east (towards home). We scoured the area but couldn't locate him today so we'll go back with more flyers and lean towards the east some more. Stay tuned.....

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:49 pm
by Daddy
He might get home before you do...... :P
Daddy

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:31 pm
by nort
I had a cat dissapear one time. 6 weeks later she showed up on the door step. She had lost about a 1/3 of her body weight and her pads were all worn down and cracked. We think she got trapped in a moving van when some neighbors moved. It took her a while, but she got back.

Our old cat is going down fast. Two years ago we had six cats, which was way to many, but three have died and we gave one to the granddaughter. Looks like we will be down to one before to long.

Update!

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Squirts Alive!

We got another call from a camper near where he jumped ship. Headed right up there to check it out. About 20 minutes of calling for him I spotted him in the woods. He wouldn't come to me so Lori went in with some food. Sure enough she managed to grab him but in the hand off he bolted and we've got the bite marks and scars to prove it! The lil' bugger took off. We weren't really prepared for what he'd do and on top of all that it was pouring rain at just the wrong time. We tried to find him again but he was the proverbial "scalded cat" and took off. Not having a plan we took a few minutes to figure out what to do. He's reverted to his feral instincts and we probably wouldn't get another chance to grab him so we bought a trap (friendly kind) and baited it. We watched it for a few hours and he hadn't shown up. It's still there and we'll check it again in the morning.

At least we know where he is and he's alive. Just a matter of time before his gut gets the better of him!! Stay tuned.....

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:18 pm
by JohnC
JohnC wrote:In your post from 08-06-08, the second pic (below the Lyman 24') could possibly be a Grew built in Penetang, ONTARIO at the southern end of Georgian Bay.
I had the wrong caption, the boat I thought might be a Grew is the Lyman 24'. Sorry 'bout that. Some of the Grews of that era had similar lines.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
JohnC wrote:
JohnC wrote:In your post from 08-06-08, the second pic (below the Lyman 24') could possibly be a Grew built in Penetang, ONTARIO at the southern end of Georgian Bay.
I had the wrong caption, the boat I thought might be a Grew is the Lyman 24'. Sorry 'bout that. Some of the Grews of that era had similar lines.
There's a similar Lyman that winters in our boatyard. Her name is the "Twyla B" and she's an all original beauty. I'll try to snap a pic next time I see her. Alongside her is usually a 1912 custom yacht called "Flox" and she's kept in near original condition and has seen the water every year since she was built. I'll try to get more details, she's gas engined and the guy has to heat a glow plug with a blow torch to get her started! 8O

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:46 am
by TomW
Glad Squirt is alive and well, ours always liked tuna when we couldn't coax them out with anything else. Hope he comes in next time.

Tom

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My goal today was to turn $40 of very nice baltic birch plywood into a pile of sawdust. I did a pretty good job of that. Thank gawd for the shop vac or KG would have killed me!

This is a 1/2 scale (13" x 13") of a deck hatch.

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The top (clear) is 1/4" lexan bedded with mastic tape. It'll be rounded over on the sander and sealed along the edges with some 4200. The depth of the box is so that it can be put through the deck and tabbed inside. Still figuring out dimensions for the seal allowance etc. Hinges will be external flush type. This is only a prototype to see if I could do it. Been a long time since I butchered any wood.

I learned a few things though.....

My cheapo table saw couldn't cut a straight piece if it's life depended on it! :? My $450 Craftsman sliding compound mitre saw will cut perfect 45 deg angles! :wink: I used my vacuum pump and infusion equipment as a vacuum press when I had to laminate the 1/2" and 1/4" ply. Worked like a charm! :D


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We also got the binding tape attachment for our sewing machine that folds and holds the binding tape as you feed the material into the needle. Works like a third & fourth set of hands.

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More later, gotta go clean up the basement b4 the Admiral gets home!

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Squirt's been missing for just over 2 weeks now. We went back tonight and heard him but he wouldn't come to us. We've been leaving food in his pet-carrier with his blanket and stuffed rat. Hopefully we'll be able to lure him in close enough so we can get ahold of him again. He's being pretty leary though. The folks who own the trailer will be back tomorrow so hopefully they can keep an eye out for him.

Now why would a cat give up this for life in the bush? :doh:

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The clamp collection grew another 20 today. Latched onto some deals at Princess Auto in Kingston. Going back next payday for more! 8O

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:45 am
by Cracker Larry
Rick, have you tried setting a box trap? Tuna fish should bait him right in.

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:59 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Rick, have you tried setting a box trap? Tuna fish should bait him right in.
Hi Larry

Yup but I think he was too big for it. The big fat bugger was able to get the food and his arse kept the trap door open! :? Reluctant to spend another $100 for a bigger trap. Then again we could have been feeding the local racoon population too! We'll go back again tomorrow and continue the search.

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We've put the ole' girl up for sale. Gotta make room for the building shelter!

http://sites.google.com/site/sunraymirage/

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The next hurdle in getting space to build is to level off our backyard which dips down to a ditch. Some of you might remember a couple of years ago this ditch captured our boat and we had to call a tow truck to pull it out. Anyhow. The plan is to build a 30" retaining wall, install the drainage pipe and backfill. This will bring the entire yard up to grade with our neighbors on the right.

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The one problem I have is moving my shed. It has to come 20-25' towards the house so we can do the landscaping. There's not enough room to get the Jimmy in there to tow it out of the way. So I was thinking of hooking some cables to it, anchored to the shed and our porch (4x4" posts sunk into the ground as anchors) and a few pulley's (to give me a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage). I'm guessing the sheds 800 lbs or so and it's got to come up grade a few degs. We'll slide in some soaped up 2x10x16' planks for it to slide on.

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What size cable should I look for? 1/4" to big or too small? Am I nuts?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:08 pm
by D2Maine
nm

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:46 pm
by steve292
Don't use wire,if it lets go it is lethal. Use some prestreched rope, 16 or 18mm will be fine. D2maine is right,it is all about friction. In my previous job we used to move 300 tonne industrial gas turbines down tracks using 5 tonne rams easily providing we kept the tracks greased. You could use a 1/2 tonne chain fall off the anchor point by the house to give a direct pull, & more control instead of a vehicle.
Good luck & have you found your cat yet?
Steve

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
steve292 wrote: Good luck & have you found your cat yet?
He's still AWOL. We set the trap last night while the cottagers were there but no luck. We can only try on weekends now so the odds of us getting him back are getting worse.

I've got some 1/2" sampson braid, don't know what the capacity of it is but I might try that first. I think it'll slide right up into place. Now I gotta dig 4 post holes 4' deep by hand! *sigh*

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:58 pm
by Cracker Larry
That's why man invented the wheel :wink:

I've got a chicken house about that size, probably heavier because I built it. I've moved it several times using 3 round fence posts, just like the one's in the background holding up my fence here...

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Jack it up and roll the poles under it, then set her down and just push it. Keep moving the rear pole to the front as you go. I don't have a grade but I can move it anywhere by hand.

Much, much, much, much easier than greased skids 8)

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It moved! It moved!

About an inch and a half.

Is this how they make custom hardware? I splayed open two perfectly good 3/8" eye bolts. Couldn't get a decent grip on anything with the eye bolts and they mostly just pulled out.

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I think the shed is heaver than I thought. I'm not as think as smart I am! Now to jacking it up to grade level and find some rollers long enough to do the job right! Yes Larry, I should have listened and got some rollers. But I do have a nice new 2000 lb 12V winch and attachment for my trailer hitch and about 50' of nice new 5/16" aircraft cable.

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:43 pm
by Cracker Larry
Still gonna need some rollers :wink: :lol:

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Still gonna need some rollers :wink: :lol:
Yes dear! :roll:

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok I bit the bullet and called in the backhow to move the shed.

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Then the dumptruck driver spills his load 20' from the ditch. *sigh* I didn't want to hire the backhow again for 10 mins work which costs min. 1 hr so I levelled it best I could myself (by hand) from this....

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to this.....

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and the ditch is pretty much full, up to grade.

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Jobs not over yet though, another load of fill coming tomorrow for the neighbors side and we've decided to bite the bullet again and hire the backhow to level it and dig the post holes. We have to build a retaining wall along the back of the lots so we can come up to the level of the railroad ties in the background. This'll give me a level spot to set up a 18'x36' shelter to build the boat in. It'll be tight but it's all I have to work with. Stay tuned.....

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:16 pm
by Daddy
It's a shame we werent all born rich stedda good lookin. How great it would be to have all the room and space to build in. Lets add heat and air conditioning too. Hang in there, you are makin progress :)
Daddy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Job's not quite done yet! It's been a bit-o-work movin' all that fill and 10 tonnes of crushed stone but we're making progress. At least I can park my truck there now! Eventually this'll be the spot we put up a shelter to build the boat....

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This is a shot of the retaining wall built along the back of the lots. 47' long. Double 2x10's stacked 3 high on 4x4 posts on 8' centers sunk into 4' x 15" sono tubes filled with concrete mixed by hand! *sigh* *lol* The Big-O covers the whole length for drainage and there's also peripheral drainage from the eaves outflow to the drain pipe. This will also help keep the building area dry.

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Anybody familiar with these guys? http://www.all4canopy.com/ Their tent system seems pretty straight forward and easy to use.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Who'd a thunkit that they had amazing labor saving machines like this eh?

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Three hours on the Bobcat and 60,000 lbs of sand and we're done (for this year anyways! It's level and I now have a backyard instead of a ditch.

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Note: We jacked up and levelled the shed after this was taken.

That was Saturday. Sunday we took off on the boat for a "last run" before we hauled it out for winterization.

No problem finding a slip! We practically had the river to ourselves.

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Spotted this old hulk at the bottom of the marina in Prescott (where I grew up), never knew it was there. Over 250' long. Zebra mussels have the water so clear you can see 25' down. When was a kid you were lucky to be able to see 3'!

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We crossed over to Ogdensburg NY where they're offloading some "HUGE" wind generators! There were probably another 50-60 already on rail cars ready to be shipped out.

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Those blades are over 200' long! Can you imagine the size of the towers to hold them up? 8O

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Some floating homes near us on the old Galop Canal at Cardinal ON.

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That's it. Season's over. Hauled the ole' boat out for winterization (with the help of a Subaru, we got stuck on the ramp due to very very low waterlevels).

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Hoping some nice person comes along and buys the ole' girl now! She ran like a trooper all summer (plenty of hard work & $$$ to get it that way).

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:43 am
by Daddy
Good to know that zebra mussels are good for something other than plugging up water lines! Great pictures, sad to see the summer end. Our marina closed last week and we pulled Festivus and are in the process of winterizing too.
Daddy

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:16 pm
by dborecky
winterizing????..... Whats that???.... 8) :lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:27 pm
by D2Maine
nm

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's

My lil' project has taken a bit of a backstep. Many years ago I before my offspring was born I had a flashy IROC Camaro. Well the baby seat wouldn't fit in the back seat and the ole' woman wouldn't ride in the back with the kid in the front so the flashy car had to go in favor of a mini-van! *Sigh* Well after 18 yrs I got my mojo back! :) It's one thing I've always wanted to have back but after a year of trying to trace the original car I gave up figuring it's been scrapped. Anywho after 9 months of searching I found another one, very similar to the original in need of restoring. It's not in too bad a shape. Interior's a little rough in places and it'll eventually need a paint job but I can work with it. The downside is I'll have to spend a few boat units on this which'll set our trawler project back a year. Oh well, not that big a deal as I'm hoping our dollar will climb up out of the slump its in and at least get with a dime of par.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
Been a lil' distracted but getting back on track now.

I've pretty much finished our car restoration, just a few technicalities to make it all legal for the street.

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Ran into some problems with rust and wiring (PO hacked the harness for an alarm system) but pretty much everything is back the way it was originally. The only exceptions to being authentic '87 vintage are the 3" SS exhaust, seats are from a '99 Camaro but are a near perfect match and the stereo has been modified with a mini-jack for a MP3 player.

The project to restore this thing, as best I can right now, wasn't cheap. Parts, shipping, taxes etc. puts the final price tag around $3500 not including tools I had to buy.

More pictures here if you're interested....

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... uoyz/IROC/

Only have a few more "HoneyDo's" left on the list then I have the Admiral's full approval to start building the boat. Next spring, keeping fingers crossed nothing else goes wrong (GMC Jimmy calved it's transmission last week).

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, back to boatbuilding stuff. I scored a good deal (I think) on e-Bay for some seats for the boat. $300 for the pair. Garelick sliding pedistals were $150 for the pair. I think I did all right.

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This is the first purchase that required us to make a color decision! :? So the tone is set. We'll have a blue boat! The Admiral is already shopping for curtains & upholstery material. Go figure! :wink:

So my basement is looking more and more like a chandlery. I've got most of the electrical components, all of the galley equipment, all the head equipment, all the lighting (inc. nav LED's) etc. A good portion of the plumbing stuff except the tanks.

If I quit buying old cars to fix up I might just get started on this thing in the spring.

We had a great day in the Camaro on Saturday. Even had a boat ride on a ferry! 8)

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Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:44 am
by peter-curacao
Sweet you did real good, I had more or less the same seats in mind but thoseImage
are US$ 435,- a piece without pedestal, so I think you have yourself a great deal! congrats on that. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Sweet you did real good, I had more or less the same seats in mind but thoseImage
are US$ 435,- a piece without pedestal, so I think you have yourself a great deal! congrats on that. 8)
Those are the ones with the bolster that flips up eh Pete? They're nice too but yes a bit pricey. I looked for a set but couldn't find one with the armrest. I thought these were a good deal so I jumped at them. The pedestals & sliders came from GreatLakes Skipper. There seems to be quite a few boat builders who've closed up shop and are liquidating their inventories. Good time to be building you're own. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: Those are the ones with the bolster that flips up eh Pete?
Correct! but to be honest I don't understand completely where that's for, I'm guessing so you can use it besides a chair also as a leaningpost? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Those are the ones with the bolster that flips up eh Pete?
Correct! but to be honest I don't understand completely where that's for, I'm guessing so you can use it besides a chair also as a leaningpost? :doh:
Yup that's it. Probably more useful on a power boat when you need to stand. I wish my current boat had them. I can't move the seat enough to stand up while docking etc. I got the slider/pedestal for these seats so I can move the seat 8" fore and aft.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:56 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: Yup that's it. Probably more useful on a power boat when you need to stand. I wish my current boat had them. I can't move the seat enough to stand up while docking etc. I got the slider/pedestal for these seats so I can move the seat 8" fore and aft.
Would be nice if you can turn them to (a 180 degrees) so when docked or on the beach you can interact more easely with the persons on the aft deck, while sipping your beer :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Yup that's it. Probably more useful on a power boat when you need to stand. I wish my current boat had them. I can't move the seat enough to stand up while docking etc. I got the slider/pedestal for these seats so I can move the seat 8" fore and aft.
Would be nice if you can turn them to (a 180 degrees) so when docked or on the beach you can interact more easely with the persons on the aft deck, while sipping your beer :wink:
Yup they do that too! :wink: That was a requirement all along.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Yup they do that too! :wink: That was a requirement all along.
GREAT 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:25 pm
by Bowmovement
Nice find on the seats 8)

What year is that Camaro? Nice job, looks good :D Yall got alot of American Muscle cars up there :?:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Bowmovement wrote:Nice find on the seats 8)

What year is that Camaro? Nice job, looks good :D Yall got alot of American Muscle cars up there :?:
Thnx Bow. It's an '87. First year for the 5.7 lt Tuned Port Injection same as the Vette's except the Vette's had aluminum heads. I had one I bought new in '87 but had to give it up when the kid came along for the obligatory mini-van. *sigh* Always said when I could I'd get another one.

Plenty of American made muscle cars up here. Maybe not as many as CA but the hobby is alive and well! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Watching Ilker's & Peter's TW 28's go together has gotten me back into the boat building kick again. Well I never really lost the urge to build the boat just took a lil' side trip to restore the ole' Chebby IROC. Anyhow, I think it was Ilker that mentioned how many parts go into one of these things. I've got half a basement full of stuff to go in ours once I finally get around to it. Been collecting stuff for almost 2 years now and it's sometimes hard to remember what I do and don't have. :doh: So I started an "Inventory" page on my Photobucket account as a visual reminder! :!:

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... Inventory/

These are just the most recent acquisitions. I'll add to it as I go through the boxes. If there's anything there you see that you might like to get just ask and I'll let you know where I got it. I'm averaging about half retail cost on most of these items and quite a bit less on others. There's some real bargains there too so don't hesitate to ask!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The answer is no! The question is: Can you make your own power (AC/DC) distribution panel cheaper than you can buy one? NO! But I'm doing it anyways. Why? Because I can and now that boating season has wrapped up I have a need to tinker. So a custom power distribution panel seems like a good project.

I found a material that is basically dyed carbon fiber, Texalium. It comes in a number of colors and is used primarily as an overlay in various applications. It's not like carbon fiber, it's stiff and will not drape over odd shaped objects but it's perfect for flat panels.

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The primary color for the boat is blue so this'll add a nice custom touch. Next step was to plan the panel. Hmmm? A quick Google search turns up "Front Panel Designer". Great lil' app perfectly suited to the task. Here's what the output looks like.

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Front Panel is designed for people to have them manufacture their panels for you. It'll even cost out the project. They can't engrave on Texalium so we'll use adhesive backed laser engraved labels. Switches are all Carling marine, breakers are all Blue Sea, LED's are Blue Sea as well as the battery switch and analog meters. AC Selector source is Kraus & Naimer.

I got started on this project today creating the panel. Texalium is only 0.015" thick so I had to lay up some fiberglass & core mat to get to the 1/8" thickness req'd for a panel. Took about half an hour to cut and lay up the various materials. One layer of 1708 biaxial & 2mm core mat for the substrate then the Texalium. This gets overlayed with a very fine peel ply (makes peeling everything apart easy hence the name and leaves a nice fine matt finish) (nylon sheet) and the flow media. This gets covered by a special vacuum bagging (infusion) film. Vacuum is applied and the entire stack gets compressed.

Started infusing the panel at 1500 hrs and it was fully infused 40 mins later.

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The reddish color comes from the plastic flow media (plastic screen). Resin is fed in the bottom and migrates across the layup to the vacuum at the top. This is done under high vacuum 29" HG. Here's the fully infused panel.

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It'll take at least 24 hrs before I can start to pull it apart. The epoxy resin is very thin and has a very long pot life (4 hrs). Because it's such a thin panel I might leave it for 48 hrs for it to stiffen up a bit more before handling it.

Just a rough estimate but this panel cost approx. $50 in materials counting the 4 oz. of epoxy I spilled on the basement floor (which is now waterproofed). There's enough material there to make 3 panels 8" wide x 18" high. Will post pics when I part it from the tooling surface. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:31 pm
by Cracker Larry
That is sweet. I'm impressed with the vacuum bag thing, never tried anything like that 8) I'm more a shortcut kind of guy, buy the pre-fabbed panels with stick on labels. That panel layout looks really nice, but it's missing a few things, side lights, anchor light, stern light, cabin lights, bait pump, radios, navigation and fishfinding electronics, radar, you get the idea. Gonna need more spares :wink: You can't go wrong with Blue Sea electrical gear, very good stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Larry

I'm making one for an overhead panel as well as the helm. Here's the complete list....

[Blue tags w/white lettering left justified]

AC Main 30A
Source Selector

Computer UPS
Refrigerator
Water Heater
Cabin Outlets
Galley GFCI
Air Conditioner
Battery Charger
E/R Heater
Head GFCI
Spare [6 ea]

DC Main 90A
Cabin Heater
Refrigerator
Head / Macerator
Potable Water
Washdown Pump
Windlass
Air Conditioner
Heater (Fan)
Accessories
Upper Helm Panel
Lower Helm Panel
Entertainment

House (1)
Start (2)

[These are for the overhead helm panel centered]

Running Lights
Anchor Light
Search Lights
Courtesy Lights
Spreader Lights
E/R Lights
Dimmer
Navigation
Entertainment
Communications
Ventilation

[These are for the lower helm panel centered]

Panel Lights
Dimmer
E/R Blower
Wipers
Washer
Defroster

[Red Tags w/white lettering left justified]

Propane Control
CO Detector
Shower Sump
Bilge Pump
Crash Pump
Security

[Red Tags w/white lettering centered]
Raw Water Alarm
High Water Alarm
Night Lights
(1 + 2) Emergency Cross Connect

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[These two can go on one tag with smaller font, word wrapped, centered]
Reverse
Polarity

[These two can go on one tag with smaller font, word wrapped, centered]
Power
Energized
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They'll be laser engraved in Star Trek The Next Generation True Type Font.

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This boat will be well over engineered and overthought! :-) I only hope I can do half as well as you when I actually get to put this thing together.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:43 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:Hey Larry

I'm making one for an overhead panel as well as the helm. Here's the complete list....

[Blue tags w/white lettering left justified]

AC Main 30A
Source Selector

Computer UPS
Refrigerator
Water Heater
Cabin Outlets
Galley GFCI
Air Conditioner
Battery Charger
E/R Heater
Head GFCI
Spare [6 ea]

DC Main 90A
Cabin Heater
Refrigerator
Head / Macerator
Potable Water
Washdown Pump
Windlass
Air Conditioner
Heater (Fan)
Accessories
Upper Helm Panel
Lower Helm Panel
Entertainment

House (1)
Start (2)

[These are for the overhead helm panel centered]

Running Lights
Anchor Light
Search Lights
Courtesy Lights
Spreader Lights
E/R Lights
Dimmer
Navigation
Entertainment
Communications
Ventilation

[These are for the lower helm panel centered]

Panel Lights
Dimmer
E/R Blower
Wipers
Washer
Defroster

[Red Tags w/white lettering left justified]

Propane Control
CO Detector
Shower Sump
Bilge Pump
Crash Pump
Security

[Red Tags w/white lettering centered]
Raw Water Alarm
High Water Alarm
Night Lights
(1 + 2) Emergency Cross Connect

--------------------------
[These two can go on one tag with smaller font, word wrapped, centered]
Reverse
Polarity

[These two can go on one tag with smaller font, word wrapped, centered]
Power
Energized
8O 8O Jeez you sure you didn't forgot a thing? :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:45 pm
by Cracker Larry
There ya go, now you're talking 8)
I only hope I can do half as well as you when I actually get to put this thing together.
I have no doubt about that :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:8O 8O Jeez you sure you didn't forgot a thing? :P
Lemme see Peter, what'd I forget?

Satellite TV
Satellite Phone
Radar (I don't need no stinkin' radar I'll just use my super powers)
Jacuzzi (Hmmmm?)
Heated & Shiatsu massage seats (Hmmmm?)
Vibrating Bed (Hmmmm?)
Auto Pilot (I actually enjoy driving the boat)
Washer & Dryer (Admiral would love those but sorry dear no room)

What else is missing?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:16 am
by peter-curacao
Helicopter landing light's? 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:12 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Helicopter landing light's? 8)
I knew there was something I forgot!!!

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:38 am
by gk108
The Star Trek font is appropriate. All of those switches and panels are going to make it look like the bridge of the Enterprise. I do like a well equipped boat, though. :D

You almost have enough room to install a compact washer/drier combo unit like this:
http://www.compactappliance.com/HWD1000 ... her_Dryers
Big problem with it is weight. That one weighs 181 lbs!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:51 am
by TomW
GK I don't think he has to worry about weight with a 9750lb full displacement weight. But he may need Craig's hatch to fit everything in. :lol:

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Geeeeez guys. Don't friggin' show her that for gawds sake!!! :roll:

She absolutely positively refuses to let me put in anything but a propane stove with an oven. That's gonna set me back at least a another grand!!! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:31 pm
by TW28RJ
Rick,

You and I are polar opposites when it comes to outfitting this boat - You don't think that you're overdoing it? I guess that our differences come down to planned use and length of time off shore which for me is a maximum of three days more often than not just two.

My thoughts fitting this out, no shower, no real h2o holding tanks i.e. hand pumps plumbed into 5 gallon jugs in the head and galley, the bare minimum of electrical with the exception of navigation. Engine driven bildge pump, possibly a refigerator, more likely an ice box. It will live on a mooring so no need for AC.

I want it to be super simple while I'm out there. A few redundencies like fuel filtering and batteries. I grew up with all this stuff on bigger boats and found that most of it we never used.. Not criticising, just discussion.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TW28RJ wrote:Not criticising, just discussion.
I know RJ. You've said that before. This will be our retirement boat and hopefully it'll carry us many thousands of nautical miles around NA. There isn't much that you'd call luxuries onboard. A hot shower once in awhile, yup. Hot food, yup. The equipment list was based on our existing boat and the systems it has. Not much more is different.

We're now the proud owners of a Yanmar 4-JHTE 50 HP diesel engine. One more piece of the puzzle solved. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:21 pm
by ks8
Knottybuoyz wrote:We're now the proud owners of a Yanmar 4-JHTE 50 HP diesel engine. One more piece of the puzzle solved. 8)
Congrats! :)


... wouldn't you know it, it comes on the day they announce successful cold fusion that can produce a kilowatt from a single banana skin, and produces water, and diesel fuel, as a waste. :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:04 pm
by TW28RJ
Good to see that you picked up and engine! What made you go with Yanmar? I thought that you were looking at a rebuilt perkins.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TW28RJ wrote:Good to see that you picked up and engine! What made you go with Yanmar? I thought that you were looking at a rebuilt perkins.
The perkins sold before I could get my hands on it. The Yanmar was in the price range, low hours (675), complete with transmission, water lift muffler, exhaust hose, strainer, shut off cable/lever, anti-siphon valve, panel, wiring, tool kit and all the manuals. $3K US. not really a deal I could let pass me by. Just have to drive to Portsmouth RI to pick it up so the Admiral and I are taking a week off to do that and some other boat part shopping/sight seeing.
ks8 wrote:... wouldn't you know it, it comes on the day they announce successful cold fusion that can produce a kilowatt from a single banana skin, and produces water, and diesel fuel, as a waste. :P
Ok KS, now you're just teasin' me eh? :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This is one of the aspects of the process I totally haven't come to grips with yet, the waste. A lot of material goes in the gash.

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I couldn't wait and pulled it off the tooling surface (malamine). Results were not quite what I expected, little rough in some areas and the layup looks a little dry. Too much vacuum maybe. I would have gotten a better surface on the Texalium if I had layed it up upside down on glass. Might try that next.

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Sorry about the crappy close up. Cheapo camera, this was the best I could get.

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Obviously I haven't perfected my technique yet but I'll get there eventually. The process as a whole has a lot of advantages, too many to go into here and a few drawbacks such as the waste mentioned earlier. Controlling the vacuum is key. I use an automated setup if anyone's interested I'll document that if you like.

I don't know if this piece will work. I read the instructions for the core mat "after" I infused the part. It said "Not Compatible with Epoxy"! Duh! It likely won't bond or won't bond well enough. I did get the thickness I was looking for, well pretty close, was looking for 0.125" and got 0.133".

Oh well lessons learned onto the next one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:30 pm
by TomW
Congrats on the engine. Have a nice safe trip to RI. All the goodies are starting to add up here for my boat man didn't realize how much stuff went on a boat till I started ordering. :help:

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:41 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW wrote: All the goodies are starting to add up here for my boat man didn't realize how much stuff went on a boat till I started ordering. :help: Tom
8O Tom you buy all that stuff on forehand? You think I should do that to? $$$$$ :? Knotty sorry for this little hijack congrats with the Yanmar good choice IMHO

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:50 pm
by TomW
Peter when you see a sale at 1/3 or 1/2 off and you know that is what you will use, yep I buy as I'm sure knottyBuoyz has as he keeps saying his basement is filling up.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:59 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW wrote:Peter when you see a sale at 1/3 or 1/2 off and you know that is what you will use, yep I buy as I'm sure knottyBuoyz has as he keeps saying his basement is filling up.

Tom
Oke Tom I understand I rather wait and make a list, when I'm sure what I want, book a weekend ticket Miami with my girlfriend take a shoppingspree over there put everything in our empty suitcases and try to smuggle it true customs over here :wink:
Downside is when she saw Dolphin mall for sure I have to book another weekend for her (us) :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:when you see a sale at 1/3 or 1/2 off and you know that is what you will use, yep I buy as I'm sure knottyBuoyz has as he keeps saying his basement is filling up.
Yup, I don't think I've paid more than half price for pretty much everything I've bought. My inventory, well most of it is here....

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... Inventory/

Yup, all in my basement too. I'm gonna be screwed when I start buying or building things like tanks etc. The engine was a surprise. I'd been looking and this one happened to pop up. Last time I waffled I missed out on a great deal on a Force 10 stove. WM list was $1395 and I coulda had it for $350. I snoozed and I loosed.

If you've got time you can do pretty well. Lot of good stuff on e-Bay right now and the prices are dropping quickly. A little research and you can tell if you're getting a good deal or not.

Hey Peter, I'm almost afraid to take Lori to New England to pick up the engine. I'm sure she's gonna wanna shop till she drops. She's as much of a nautical decor nut as I am.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:56 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:Hey Peter, I'm almost afraid to take Lori to New England to pick up the engine. I'm sure she's gonna wanna shop till she drops. She's as much of a nautical decor nut as I am.
She was never in Miami so I thought I take her to places like outdoor world etc. and tell her that's how Miami malls look like :roll: what do you think? that should work won't it ? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
That might work Peter, if you keep her blindfolded :lol: Miami is a hell of a town, specially for a cracker like me. We lived there for about a year, stayed in a state of shock most of the time 8O Had to come home. :help:

I bought most of my accessories months in advance also. A lot of it came from Ebay and discounters. You can save a lot of money when you aren't in a hurry to have something. I've still got stuff I haven't installed :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:54 pm
by TomW
Heck Peter I bought my outrigger brackets when Larry and I were talking about them early early last spring before I even had my plywood. They were too cheap to pass up. :lol: Now I just have to figure out to find or build some outrigger poles that don't cost $350 dollars a pair. That seems awful steep to me and my aluminum background for a little bit of pulled aluminum. 8O

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Knottybuoyz wrote:I don't know if this piece will work. I read the instructions for the core mat "after" I infused the part. It said "Not Compatible with Epoxy"! Duh! It likely won't bond or won't bond well enough.
Well that was a miserable failure. The piece flops around like a wet piece of cardboard. I guess when it says it's not compatible with epoxy they're right! Time to break out the carbon fiber for round two. I'm going to change the process a lil' bit and vacuum bag the next piece instead of infusing it, easier to control the vacuum & amount of resin in the stack. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
What we've spent so far.....

http://www.editgrid.com/user/knottybuoyz/Spent_To_Date

It's only going to get worse (or better, depending on your point of view)! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
One of the key pieces to our boat build project has come home. We're now the proud owners of a lightly used and definitely not abused 4 cyl Yanmar diesel engine. Upside of the whole deal was the req't to pick it up in Rhode Island. Hmmmm? Mapquest shows 475 miles one way. Not too bad so off we go last Sunday. Picked up the engine Monday morning right on schedule then took in the exhibits at Battleship Cove.

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Sorry about the quality of the pics. They don't do the scene justice.

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PT Boats are HUGE!

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Toured the Lionfish submarine. Remarkably bigger inside than I thought.

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The Admiral on first sight of a real torpedo! Surprise!!

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Look of the set of Guns on that baby! I want just one for our boat!!!

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Impressive any way you look at it.

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Mystic Seaport was the next stop. The Admiral doing her best Soupy Sales imitation!

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There's probably $20M in lumber laying around this shipyard. If we could have tossed a few of those virgin oak planks in the U-Haul Hmmm!

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I'd settle for a gun this size dear!!

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We wanted to visit Orange Country Choppers in Newburg NY to pick up some x-mas presents for the kid. Definitely worth a visit if you're in the area.

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This is the Firemans bike, a tribute to the 343 firemen who lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. Definitely a moving memorial.

Time to relax. 1925 Kms (1200 miles) in 3 days. There's a few more pictures here...

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... nd%20Trip/

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:32 pm
by Joe H
Congrads on the 4 cyl Yanmar diesel engine, great pictures too!

I'll be up your way in another month or 2, Lake Simcoe.

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Joe H wrote:I'll be up your way in another month or 2, Lake Simcoe.
Thnx Joe. Icefishing? Lake Simcoe should be good and frozen by then! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:05 pm
by Cracker Larry
Ice fishing 8O Yall are crazy :D Only place I'm fishing for ice is in my cooler when it's running low.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:27 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:Ice fishing 8O Yall are crazy :D Only place I'm fishing for ice is in my cooler when it's running low.
Is that how it goes in that movie "Grumpy Old Men"? those guys getting pretty comfy in their little cabins on the Ice, I saw one had a bed, heather and even a TV in there Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:39 pm
by JohnC
And that cold Canadian water keeps the beer colder too! I used a fish basket (without fish) and tied it to the dock and threw it overboard to keep the beer cold. Better than the fridge or a cooler! :D
John

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Cracker Larry wrote:Ice fishing 8O Yall are crazy :D Only place I'm fishing for ice is in my cooler when it's running low.
Is that how it goes in that movie "Grumpy Old Men"? those guys getting pretty comfy in their little cabins on the Ice, I saw one had a bed, heather and even a TV in there Image
I've seen ice shacks more elaborate than some people's homes with Satellite TV and the works. I don't think Simcoe will be frozen over in December but in January it'll be freezing up pretty quick. You won't need a cooler to keep your beer cold, you'll need it and a few hot packs to keep it from freezin'! :-)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:27 am
by Cracker Larry
That's whiskey weather :!: I'll be drinking it while waiting on Delta to get me out of there :help:

Yall guys are tougher than me :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:58 am
by Joe H
Yeah, hopefully by Christmas break Knotty, Come on up anytime and I'll even supply the whiskey, you don't have to worry about that freezing!
Lake Simcoe in Feb.
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Lets go!
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Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
Lets go!
I wouldn't live through the night :help: I get cold just looking at the pictures.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:00 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:
Lets go!
I wouldn't live through the night :help: I get cold just looking at the pictures.
I'm with you Larry! just give me a visit anytime and we will crack open a bottle of green rum and fish in surroundings like this ( whole year around ) Image
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:26 am
by Bowmovement
I'm with Larry on the ice fishing. Yall can keep it. I am a warm weather person. Hell, it drops below 65 here and I look for a jacket.

Matt

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:20 am
by gk108
You just have to embrace the cold climate when you live up there, Larry. It has fringe benefits, like the healthy workout you get from stacking 4 cords of firewood or shoveling your way out of the door after the blizzard driven snow drifts over your house. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:33 am
by Larry B
gk108 wrote:You just have to embrace the cold climate when you live up there, Larry. It has fringe benefits, like the healthy workout you get from stacking 4 cords of firewood or shoveling your way out of the door after the blizzard driven snow drifts over your house. :lol:
Been there done that. Born and raised in Utah. Drifting snow will cover your car (or house) Work all summer cutting wood to stay warm all winter. Spent many years in So. Calif. loved the weather, but now I'm in HOT Arizona and trying to get used to it. It has it's plus's :doh: I'll take the heat, I hate the cold. Know many folks who love the cold and hate the heat. Different strokes as the saying goes.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:05 am
by Cracker Larry
Larry. It has fringe benefits, like the healthy workout you get from stacking 4 cords of firewood
Heck GK, I get that right here. I cut, split and stacked 2 cords just last week, and that won't even get us through a south Georgia winter. Will need to cut at least twice that much more :help:

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Re: knotty Boyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:53 pm
by Dog Fish
I really like sitting on my back porch having coffee in the morning looking at the cold and blowing snow on the news on" TV". That's as close as I want to get to that stuff. I will stay hear in SW FL, I don't do well in the cold :help: " Hell " it was 59° at 6:30 am when I took out the dogs today, don't need it any colder than that. Good part is the water temp started coming down some and is moving the snook off the beaches and back into the bays and canals. 8)

Brian

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:01 pm
by steve292
Cracker Larry wrote:
Larry. It has fringe benefits, like the healthy workout you get from stacking 4 cords of firewood
Heck GK, I get that right here. I cut, split and stacked 2 cords just last week, and that won't even get us through a south Georgia winter. Will need to cut at least twice that much more :help:

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Right,dumbass question,but what is a cord? I know it's a unit of measurement,but what does it equate to? is it volume or weight or...? I've cut about 3 cubic meters of firewood (10 cubic feet), whats that in cords?
Steve

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:09 pm
by Cracker Larry
Technically a cord is a stack 4 feet high, 4 feet wide and 8 feet long. 128 cubic feet. I'll let you do the metrics :lol:
I've cut about 3 cubic meters of firewood (10 cubic feet),


No way. A meter is longer than a yard (3 feet) a cubic yard is 27 cubic feet. One cubic meter is 35.2 cubic feet :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:17 pm
by steve292
sorry,must read my posts a bit better....I missed a 0 off the end, I meant 100 cubic feet. :oops:
steve

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:34 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:Image
Ain't gonna start about the dog anymore, but your house is also beautiful! Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok back on track fellas. One of the reasons we're buildin' a boat is to escape the long cold winters! 6 yrs 4 days and counting.

Never winterized a diesel before but it's got antifreeze good for -45 C in the heat exchanger and block. I also ran the pink stuff through the raw water inlet till it came out the exhaust. I should be good eh? Changed the oil & filter but couldn't run it to circ the new oil. That shouldn't be too much of a problem eh? The engine will have to sit this way for about a year.

Last time I went ice fishin' my buddy crapped in his snow pants and we had to dunk him in the hole to clean him up! :? Needless to say excessive alcohol consumption was involved. Once he recovered from the hypothermia we moved to a new location and cut a new hole! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
LMAO :!: :!:

KB, if the engine is not in the boat, heck there aint even a boat yet, why the antifreeze? Why not just drain it, lube it up and store it dry?

PS: Your buddy would have been on his own :wink: The excessive alcohol must have been in the dunkers and not the dunkee :lol:
Not even gonna ask where ya cut the new hole 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:23 pm
by TW28RJ
Hey Rick,

you had mentioned modifying your tw28 to 31 feet. Is that still the plan? If so I'm sure that you drawn something up and would love to see it..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TW28RJ wrote:you had mentioned modifying your tw28 to 31 feet. Is that still the plan? If so I'm sure that you drawn something up and would love to see it..
Likely. Haven't discussed specifics with Jacques yet. It's his design if I'm going to mess with it I want his blessing on a few issues.

I have a question for you diesel guru's. I have a Yanmar 4JH-TE. Exhaust outlet from mixing elbow is 3" Dia. The muffler and exhaust hose that came with the engine has inlet/outlet size of 1-5/8". Somewhere along the line there must have been a reducer of some sort but that wasn't included. I have the service manual for the engine but there's no mention of minimum exhaust size requirements. I don't know much about diesel engines, well actually at this point I know nothing about them, but if they breath better, larger exhaust, they should run better no? Can I go down to 2" all the way back (approx 12' run through water lock, muffler & gooseneck)? That should be better for the engine or should I keep it 3" all the way back?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
I think you'd better talk to a Yanmar tech about that. Is that a wet exhaust or dry? Most exhausts I've seen have no reduction and it would be bad for the engine to restrict the exhaust and cause a back pressure. But there are some engines that are designed to run with a specific amount of back pressure, and if so you don't want to run it without. You'll want a solid answer to that question.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It's a wet exhaust system Larry. I'll see if I can locate a Yanmar dealer nearby. When I pulled the old exhaust hose off the muffler the inner liner of the hose was crumpled up reducing the size of the hose to about 1/2". I'm wondering if that's why they pulled it? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
I figured it was wet. I would not reduce it from the manifold exit size unless Yanmar specifically needs back pressure. Not something you want to guess at. I'd be surprised if it would run with 1/2 exhaust 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I checked the manual I have and there's no mention of backpressure requirements. I'll try to pick the brains of some of the engineers at work tomorrow. That is if I can find one with a brain! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:44 am
by topwater
Been around diesels most of my life but they were the big ones " off roadheavey equipment, trucks etc"
never seen an exhaust under 3" most have been larger, 5" to 8". Being a small marine engine and water cooled
it mite be different but it sounds small to me.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
I've asked around. Surrounded by marine engineers here at work. Boatdiesel.com etc. consensus is 3" is minimum so that's what it'll be all the way back. Just means having to buy a new muffler. New hoses were required anyways. Thnx for the input. Bit of a steep learning curve with diesels.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:41 am
by Daddy
When you went to pick up the motor did you get into any of the marine salvage stores in the area? I remember there was a pretty good one in Mystic.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:When you went to pick up the motor did you get into any of the marine salvage stores in the area? I remember there was a pretty good one in Mystic.
No we didn't. The days were short and we had plenty of miles to cover in our little whirlwind tour. I definitely want to go back, maybe in the spring. Still a few key items we're looking for that'll be too heavy to ship, anchor chain etc. Next time we won't be so pressed for time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:10 pm
by Daddy
The WBM show will be at the end of June http://www.thewoodenboatshow.com/mysticmap.html a good time to go, hope I can make it this year myself
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
It appears our lil' engine suffered some trauma on the trip up from Rhode Island.

This is the temperature sender I'm guessing. Anybody know of a download for a parts list for a 4JH-TE?

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I broke this off when I was draining the water from the raw water cooling side. It just crumbled in my hands. Good find probably. Any ideas how to get the remainder out of the mixing elbow without destroying it? They're expensive ($1300 US).

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:48 am
by Cracker Larry
Try this

http://sagaforumet.com/yanmar-manual/4JHE/manual.pdf

and this

http://www.epcatalogs.com/yanmar4jh2e.html

The last pic, that looks like a freeze plug fitting

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:07 am
by gk108
Any ideas how to get the remainder out of the mixing elbow without destroying it?
You could try penetrating oil and an ezy-out, but the thin wall of the pipe will probably expand and jam tighter when you turn the ezy-out.

My first try would be with a center punch and a small hammer. You can catch an edge of the broken pipe with the punch and collapse it into the hole and it will fall right out. If you are careful, you won't even damage the threads, but if you do, clean them up with a tap and you are ready to go. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:34 pm
by topwater
put some heat to it then do what gk said

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:26 pm
by Daddy
use a hacksaw to score the insert until you get to the threads, do it in several places, then gently try to chip out the pieces, saw a guy do that on a radiator on "this old house", hacksaw seemed to be key, once you get one piece out the rest should come easy
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:34 pm
by peter-curacao
Daddy wrote:use a hacksaw
The dustless one? dig it? Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Uh oh here we go again. Project suffers yet another setback!

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I needed a new vehicle (well almost new, '07 Wrangler Extreme Sahara loaded) cause the Ole' Jimmy was in need of more expensive repairs. I liked not having a car payment but then again I need reliable transportation to get back and forth to work for the next 6 yrs. Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:45 pm
by Joe H
Nice Jeep Rick, sure looks like a 2007!

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Joe H wrote:Nice Jeep Rick, sure looks like a 2007!

Joe H
Ooops! Doh!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Parts are piling up!

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... ?start=all

Just a tad below $13K Cdn and we haven't even started to build the thing yet! 8O Just added the Python P60K drive which is the first part I've paid full price for. $945 Cdn. The costs of materials can only go up from here! :cry:

http://www.editgrid.com/user/knottybuoyz/Spent_To_Date

Planning on taking July/August off next summer to get this thing underway! Standby......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
So for anybody that's wondering if it's cheaper to make your own power distribution panel, well forget it, just go buy one!

I thought this would be a good winter project to produce my own panel. I found a program on the Internet (http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/) which will help with the design & layout. That worked well.

I apologize for the crappy cell phone picture. For those who don't know "She:Kon" pronounced "Shay Go" or "Shay Cone" (depending on who translates) is a traditional Mohawk greeting meaning "Do you still have the great peace?".

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I originally wanted to make the panel from some neat carbon fiber (Texalium) I have but after infusing the panel it became very difficult to drill the holes accurately. Front Panel Express will custom cut your panels for you from their extensive inventory of materials. I had to bite the bullet and get ours done ($180). It's 3mm anodized aluminum.

It was kinda cool to design it myself and have it cut. Fitting it out and wiring it will be a bit of a challenge (will post photos when done). I still need 3 more breakers and some fasteners before I'm finished. All tolled it'll be about $700 my cost. I could have bought a good Blue Sea panel for $500 +-. My cost includes the AC & DC switches not normally found on most panels. So if economics aren't critical it is a neat project to while away those long cold winter nights.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:42 am
by Cracker Larry
Beautiful job Rick 8) The price is reasonable for what you have there, and no one will have one like it. Sweet :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:13 pm
by TomW
Beautiful Rick did they do the engraving also or did you. That is a sweet bit of work whoever did it. 8) Have fun wiring her.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Tom & Larry

The software does the CAD part. Front Panel Express (service) does all the CnC cutting, drilling and engraving. The software a free download and free to use. It even prices out your project for you. It's not like any other CAD program I've used, took awhile to get used to it, but it's ok. Here's a screen capture (earlier version) of what it looked like....

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I probably redesigned the panel a half dozen times. You have to be careful of clearances behind the panel more so than the front. The switches and breakers were about 1-1/4" wide so getting the spacing right is critical. I'm kinda glad I messed up the carbon fiber versions, I learned those lessons before dropping $180 on the aluminum panel.

I'm thinking of doing my console the same way. I've got the Yanmar panel and it's kinda fugly. Just waiting for the epoxy to set up on the buss bars and I'll snap a pic of the backside. Yes it's gonna be fun wiring it all up! :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:46 pm
by Dog Fish
That came out really nice, very cool. 8)

Brian :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:39 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm thinking of doing my console the same way. I've got the Yanmar panel and it's kinda fugly. Just waiting for the epoxy to set up on the buss bars and I'll snap a pic of the backside. Yes it's gonna be fun wiring it all up!
If you're gonna do it, do it right 8) Those Yanmar panels have always been fugly :lol: I love doing panel and wiring work, it's a lot more fun than sanding!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Brian. Hey Larry, you wanna wire it? 8O

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You can see what I mean when you have to pay attention to clearances on the backside more than the front. Switch & Breaker size dictates where you can locate them. I had a hard time with this at the start. I wanted the breakers & switches side by side but it wouldn't work. If I were to do it again I'd go with the traditional Blue Sea switch/breakers. I epoxied the ground buss's instead of screws, didn't want them showing through on the front. All the loose wires there now are for the LED indicators. They'll get bunched and run to the buss's and switches as I go. Standby......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:54 am
by Cracker Larry
Hey Larry, you wanna wire it? 8O
I'd be glad to wire it, but I'm a long ways from Canada :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:19 am
by gstanfield
I'd be happy to wire it too, just bring it down to Wyoming. I spent 7 years designing control panels and control systems for garbage trucks and fire trucks. I built all of the prototypes, built the actual panels when things were slow in the design room and have personally built several hundred panels MUCH MUCh more complicated :D I enjoy playing with wires and for some reason get satisfaction out of neat wiring. If you run into any question on electrical please feel free to ask. I know there are others here who know there way around wires too, but I'm more than happy to lend my expertise to anyone's electrical nightmare :D

BTW< That p[anel looks very nice.

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
Hey Larry, you wanna wire it? 8O
I'd be glad to wire it, but I'm a long ways from Canada :lol:
Fishin's good this time of year Larry! :)

Thnx George. I might have to pick your brain a little bit. I got a buddy who's an industrial electrician he's going to do the AC side. The DC I think I got a handle on it. I'm using an ATC fuse box (Bussman) for circuit protection which makes it pretty easy.

Now all I gotta do is get busy building a boat around this perdy thing! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:02 am
by Knottybuoyz
There certainly is a skill and expertise to doing this kind of wiring. I can appreciate George's skills in this regard. I think I put this together and took it apart 3 times. It doesn't look like it but this is about 7 hrs of tinkering.......

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Now having got this far and run out of parts there's not much more I can do for awhile. If I were to consider doing this again somebody stop me please!!!!

Installed the Infinite Improbability Drive switch!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology ... lity_Drive

Questions & Comments always welcome.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:05 pm
by gstanfield
I love the Infinitely improbable drive switch, that's a classic right there. You wiring looks pretty good too. I'll throw out a suggestion that you may already know, but just in case.... When you crimp the heat shrink ends on, give the wire a good hard tug before shrinking. Sometimes they may not have a good grip on the wire which gives a poor connection, lends to voltage drop, corrosion over time and eventual failure. A good hard tug, especially when there are multiple wires in the same connector, will help you to ensure that you have a solid connection. Be sure to tug on each wire indivudually too. Failure now means a minute or two of extra work, failure at sea may mean loss of radio, radar, important devices or at the least means you have to work on a floating boat while rocking in the waters.

Also be sure to include enough extra wire to be able to remove wires for working on the panel, changing out a bad switch etc. A little extra wire also means the bends aren't as tight, and tight bends, especially at connectors is another spot of eventual failure. As we all know, everything fails eventually we just want to postpone that as long as possible.

You works looks neat, don't take my comments as negative in any way. I'm just tossing out some hints on wiring that can hopefully benefit everyone at somepoint.

Looks good,
George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:28 pm
by Daddy
The only thing that has been bothering me, and I love the look and style, is epoxying the buss bars rather than mechanical fastening. I don't know if epoxy bonds that well to plastic and aluminum and how it will stand up to vibration over the long haul. I use plastic to make forms for my epoxy sometimes and that pops right off, maybe roughing up helps and maybe I am all wet, wont be the first or last time, just couldn't resist asking. Happy to be wrong in this case :D
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
THnx for the hints George. I give each crimp a good tug to make sure. I've got the Ideal ratchet crimper and it's virtually idiot proof! Certainly pays for itself on a job like this. There's a couple of runs I'll replace to give some slack.

Daddy. I didn't want more screws coming through the face of the panel so I used epoxy. I roughed up the anodized aluminum before I glued them down. Yesterday I tried to stick a 1" scraper behind one of the buss bars and hit it with a hammer. It didn't budge so I guess it stuck pretty well!

I do have to admit it would have been better to draw out a diagram first. Some of this I was making up as I went along! :wink: I knew essentially what I wanted to achieve so it the drawing was in my head. I knew it was going to be a bit messy using the breakers and switches I bought. Oh well, live and learn. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:36 pm
by gstanfield
No worries on the wire as you go. I've designed many systems with just wire and components and then went back and drew up a schematic. And ratchet crimpers are vastly superior to "normal" crimpers, yet occasionally you will still find a bad connection, but that's due to inconsistancies in the connectors and not a fault of the crimper (usually)

Epoxy works fine with the buss bars most of the time. There are various materials used in making them. Some fo the plastics are not that great, but the some of the phenolic type are made from epoxy and crushed up "stuff" so they actually bond pretty well. Just going by the photo your appears to be a phenolic/epoxy type construction judging by the "textured" look it seems to have on my monitor.

Good work, keep up the fight and let us know if you run into any issues.

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
I have a question(s) for you George if you don't mind.

I have a Bussmann ATC fuse block that I'd like to use for all my DC circuit protection. This will be mounted topside of the console within easy reach and remote from the panel itself.

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I guess ideally I'd feed each ATC fuse from the panel switch then from the fuse block to the devices. Now if I do that and use buss bars on the switches on the panel each LED will light when the switch is turned on. That's ok but it won't tell me if the actual device is working or not. If I feed each switch from the fuse panel individually if a fuse is blown or a device isn't working the LED won't light. Now that tells me something. Downside is I double the number of wires entering panel (to and from the fuse block & devices).

Any thoughts on what's the best/proper way to do it?

Thnx....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Disregard my previous post. I figured it out. :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:21 pm
by gstanfield
glad you got it figured out. As a side note, if you want to run wires that only power a led and let you know if a circuit is hot then you can do it with very very small gauge wire. LED's take such a small amount of current that any wire big enough to work with will be overkill. While there are various sizes of LED's I have used 24ga wire for LED's in the past and a whole bundle of those are barely larger than a pencil :D

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:glad you got it figured out. As a side note, if you want to run wires that only power a led and let you know if a circuit is hot then you can do it with very very small gauge wire. LED's take such a small amount of current that any wire big enough to work with will be overkill. While there are various sizes of LED's I have used 24ga wire for LED's in the past and a whole bundle of those are barely larger than a pencil :D
Thnx George

I think I'm going to do that on a mimic panel for the overhead console. Just waiting for a few more breakers and I can wrap up this project and onto the next.

Because the ATC fuse block has a common buss I have to run power to it then to the switch panel. No way around that. Having gotten this far I wish I had left the Battery selector switch off the panel. It's going to get really tight running 3 x 1/0 cables into it. Oh well it's all part of the learning curve.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
Probably a project for next winter but I'd like to do something with the standard helm engine panel similar to the AC/DC dist panel. Anybody know what this is? Backup Camera maybe? :?

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The manual I have for the Yanmar 4JH-TE doesn't describe this particular panel.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:46 am
by gstanfield
How about a pic of the backside of it, that might help if we knew what went to it. Off hand though I would have to say I don't know.

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:42 am
by Cracker Larry
That's an old style 'Type D" instrument panel. See http://www.yanmar.com.au/superseded/4JH ... 8B%29E.pdf


That instrument looks like maybe an old LORAN wave form display unit. As George said, a picture of the back would help, or a model or part number off the unit.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:51 am
by sitandfish
Knottybuoyz wrote:Probably a project for next winter but I'd like to do something with the standard helm engine panel similar to the AC/DC dist panel. Anybody know what this is? Backup Camera maybe? :?

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The manual I have for the Yanmar 4JH-TE doesn't describe this particular panel.
Marine light indicator box.
http://www.boatpartsandspares.co.uk/yan ... -818-p.asp

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Just wondering what it did and if I'd want to keep it in my new panel.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:10 pm
by gk108
Warning lights! The more the merrier. The overlay on the front probably has printing for the functions of the unused positions. You may be able to add more warning functions to the four that are supplied. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gk108 wrote:Warning lights! The more the merrier. The overlay on the front probably has printing for the functions of the unused positions. You may be able to add more warning functions to the four that are supplied. 8)
Ahhhhhhhh! Idiot lights! Ahhhhhhhhh! Now I get it! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:06 pm
by Dog Fish
I found this, thought I would post it just because I can, maybe it will help.

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This is the older type of 'D' panel. The blank space on the left is for the optional
boost gauge, then oil pressure and water temperature. This panel came with the
round plugs and the old type wiring loom.
Brian

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:24 pm
by sitandfish
Knottybuoyz wrote:
gk108 wrote:Warning lights! The more the merrier. The overlay on the front probably has printing for the functions of the unused positions. You may be able to add more warning functions to the four that are supplied. 8)
Ahhhhhhhh! Idiot lights! Ahhhhhhhhh! Now I get it! :roll:
OK. I'll go back and change my previous post from "Marine Light Indicator Box" to "Marine Idiot Light Indicator Box." :lol:

I was trying not to offend. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This is the older type of 'D' panel. The blank space on the left is for the optional
boost gauge, then oil pressure and water temperature. This panel came with the
round plugs and the old type wiring loom.
Thnx Brian & everybody. The blank on the left on mine has the buzzer behind it. I could probably mount that inside the console. Wohoo! Looks like 'nuther panel project! Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:35 pm
by Larry B
Idiot lights or guages, it doesn't matter if you not looking at them at the time a component fails :wink: One of the best things you can have is a buzzer :D When a guage or light get to the critical point the buzzer goes off and makes you look at the guages or light. With a guage or light only, you have usally already done the damage when the engine starts making funny noises and you look at the guage to see what the problem is, but at that time it's too late. So wire in a Loud Buzzer if you want to play it safe.
Just my 2 cents which is worth about 1/4 cent today :doh:

Was posting about the same time. Looks like you got a buzzer :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Finished, ready to build a boat around it. I apologize for the crappy pics.
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Backside. I'm stopping in the plastics shop tomorrow to get some thermo forming plastic to make the back covers.

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Never again! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:17 pm
by gstanfield
Looks good my friend and I love to see that you used analog volt gauges, they really make it look "professional" :D It's kinda hard to see in the pic, but did you decide to omit the backlight on the two volt gauges? It looks like small wires coming off the back that are not getting used so I assume they are for lighting :doh: I'm just curious, not saying anything is wrong.

P.S. I think you forgot to heat shrink the wire going from your A/C breaker to the gauge 8)

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:06 pm
by Cracker Larry
That looks very nice Rick, good workmanship, good quality materials 8) I don't see fuses or breakers for the DC circuits though, am I missing something?
Never again!
Wish I was closer, I love doing that kind of stuff :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Looks good my friend and I love to see that you used analog volt gauges, they really make it look "professional" :D It's kinda hard to see in the pic, but did you decide to omit the backlight on the two volt gauges?
Thnx George. They're hooked up to the last DC switch. Sort of an afterthought.
gstanfield wrote:It looks like small wires coming off the back that are not getting used so I assume they are for lighting :doh: I'm just curious, not saying anything is wrong.
Those are for the LED's. They'll get crimped in on the load wires to each circuit when it's all hooked up. They'll tell me the circuit is energized but not necessarily if the device is working. That's the way BlueSea did it so I followed suit.
gstanfield wrote:P.S. I think you forgot to heat shrink the wire going from your A/C breaker to the gauge 8)
That was a test George. Good eyes. You pass! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:That looks very nice Rick, good workmanship, good quality materials 8) I don't see fuses or breakers for the DC circuits though, am I missing something?
Never again!
Wish I was closer, I love doing that kind of stuff :lol:
Thnx Larry. It was fun and edumacational! Not bad for a hairy ass'd ole sailor with a grade 6 edumacation eh? :wink:

I'm going to use a Bussman ATC fuse block for all the DC loads. That was planned from the start.

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It'll be mounted within easy reach but not too far from the panel.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:31 pm
by Cracker Larry
There ya go, perfect, I knew you had a plan :D Panel space gets tight.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:47 pm
by gstanfield
Good deal, you passed our tests, or did I pass your test :?: Oh well, at any rate the panel is looking good and I'm sure it will work great.

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:16 pm
by Dog Fish
I agree with the boys Rick, you get a well earned A+, nice job.


Brian :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:28 pm
by icelikkilinc
Have never seen someone as crazy as Rick..

we have a saying in Turkish and Rick fits in there nicely..he is buying the horseshoe and than looking for a house that fits the shoe :D :D

Joking aside,I am watching this topic but somethings shouldnt be planned or manufactured this early.. especially when there is no boat.. it is good to have a plan, keeps you in the right direction etc but while you are doing the actual build, you will want different things or the things that you prepared in advance may not fit to the area you planned..

Not a criticism, just what I had in my project as I bought / planned some stuff in advance as well but I had to return and loose time and effort etc..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote:Have never seen someone as crazy as Rick..

we have a saying in Turkish and Rick fits in there nicely..he is buying the horseshoe and than looking for a house that fits the shoe :D :D

Joking aside,I am watching this topic but somethings shouldnt be planned or manufactured this early.. especially when there is no boat.. it is good to have a plan, keeps you in the right direction etc but while you are doing the actual build, you will want different things or the things that you prepared in advance may not fit to the area you planned..

Not a criticism, just what I had in my project as I bought / planned some stuff in advance as well but I had to return and loose time and effort etc..
Thnx Ilker. Words well spoken. There's a lot of truth in that. I've had plenty of time to plan this and yup there will be surprises no doubt. I've got a lot of stuff dirt cheap and worked them into the plan. So far if I can stick to the plan I'll be able to finish this boat for about $45,000 Cdn. That's perdy darn good!

My ole' Momma always told me I was the only kid on the block who could pack 6 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound bag! I'll get it in there somewhere! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:35 pm
by sitandfish
Knottybuoyz wrote: PS. Let the floggings begin!
Just glad you are OK. Boats are a lot easier to fix than people.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:32 pm
by TomW
Rick there goes you name up in the hall of shame at work. :lol: A coastie to do something like that glad you were able to fire off the fire extinguisher and that you were ok!! :D We all do dumb things sometimes don't we! :oops:

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:Rick there goes you name up in the hall of shame at work. :lol: A coastie to do something like that glad you were able to fire off the fire extinguisher and that you were ok!! :D We all do dumb things sometimes don't we! :oops:
Oh I dunno Tom! Some of the most dangerous people I know are Coasties. Especially the engineers (snipes). Someday when I have more time I'll tell ya the story of the "Rat Canon".

One of the first boat fires I had to put out in the CG was aboard a small trawler in Midland ON. It was wintering in the ice with those de-icer thingies underneath it. Something shorted out in the shorepower connections inside the boat and lit it up. We were docked just across the wharf when it happened. It was completely engulfed in flames in under 2 mins and took us about another min to put it out. Complete loss. You see stuff like that makes you appreciate how quickly a fire can total a small boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:18 pm
by wegcagle
Don't feel too bad. The first boat I ever owned was a 17' aluminum jon boat. I woke up one morning and was told I was going to church instead of the lake (SWMBO). When I got back from church the fire dept was at my house putting out the side of my house and turning my jon boat into a glorified swimming pool :( All I can say is that the good lord sure does work in mysterious ways. I could have just as easily been in the middle of Clarks Hill Lake.

The only explanation the fire department inspector had was that "2 wires fused in the summer heat, which bypassed the fuse panel and caused a direct connection between the battery and the motor" Dunno how that happened but since then I just disconnect my battery as part of my done with boating routine.

I completely gutted that boat and rebuilt it from the hull out, sold it for more than I originially paid for it, and used the money to start my GV15 :D The guy who bought it from me has had it almost about 5-6 years and said it still runs like a top.

By the way I found my fire extinguisher in a neighbors back yard about 150 yards away from where the boat was 8O How cool would it have been to see that go off :help:

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Lori's (Admiral) has been working really hard trying to help me get the old boat ready for sale. Besides me trying to burn it down she's been making new zip-in windows. As you can see the old ones are toast, crazed, scratched, broken and just tired.

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Yes, that is duct tape holding them together.

We decided to go with the smoked plastic instead of clear hoping to keep some of the UV off the upholstery. I think they turned out pretty good! Not professional but OK in my book.

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I came down with a case of the shingles (not roofing material either) so it's been hard for me to help. Got a mechanic coming this week to help with the re-wiring. I can't skrunch myself up into a ball in the bilge anymore especially with shingles. Anyhow, I'm sure Lori's sewing skills will be put to good use on the TW28. She's got the color scheme all picked out for the curtains etc. :?

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
Look what landed in my backyard yesterday! 8O

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The rush is on to get the bow shed up next! Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I found this on Lori's camera. I'm pretty sure this is the "Oh sh*t, WTF have I gotten us into now?" moment!

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:46 pm
by Joe H
WOW, that's alot of wood, there's a boat in there somewhere!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:56 am
by TheBroomside
Joe wrote:there's a boat in there somewhere!
And it will take anywhere between 1 - 5 year to build it! :-)

Good luck,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:52 pm
by Lucky_Louis
Congrats on getting the lumber Rick... when's the goo arrive?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Lucky_Louis wrote:Congrats on getting the lumber Rick... when's the goo arrive?
Got to get the shed up first then save some money. I'm pretty much tapped out right now. It'll come, maybe by September I can start stitching some of the longer panels together. It's too hot here now to even think of building a boat. It's so hot my Igloo Cooler melted! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:19 pm
by Lucky_Louis
I hear you - sounds pretty bad back there, forecast for TeeOh was +51°C on the humidex (feels like 124°F) Stay cool. Not great weather to be putting up with shingles either, you poor bugger.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The shingles have cleared up pretty well. Just a lil' itchy now and then!

I pick up the shrink wrap for the bow shed on Saturday. I bought the whole kit, wrap, tape, fiberglass propane tank, flame gun etc. I might be able to pick up some side work shrinkin' boats for the winter after I practice on my own. I guess sooner or later we have to get used to the heat if we're going to spend our winters down south! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The first ceremonial stake has been driven into the ground that'll help support the bow shed. No fanfare, no marching bands just me and a sledge hammer!

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Twenty nine more stakes to go! Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:06 pm
by Daddy
Very nice, could use a bit of sanding though, maybe a little quickfair in that knot, you gonna use S3 primer on it after you saturate with epoxy..... :lol:
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Update: Not much to report. I went to see my Amish buddy who's cutting the wood for my bow shed. Unfortunately the order isn't ready yet and will likely be another two weeks. *sigh* I understand they're busy fella's with a thriving garden shed business. They probably accomplish more before breakfast than we do in a week! Anyhow with no materials to work with all I could do was setup the blocks to build the bows. I know it ain't much but it's all I got to report.

This is half a bow. When it's up the shed will be 20' wide by 32' long and 17' at the peak.

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That's it, that is all. Standby.... I am

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I finally gave up the search for 20' strapping to build the bow shed. You just can't find it anywhere around here. I decided to try gluing and screwing some pieces together to get the length I need. Some "Liquid Nails" and drywall screws worked well. I built myself a little jig to hold the pieces while I screwed them together.

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The first one broke when I put it on the blocks to bend it. I kinda figured that would happen. This is only cheap spruce. Next one I wetted down first and that seemed to work better.

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Gluing and screwing as I went along seemed to work really well. I heard a few snaps, crackles & pops but nothing broke.

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The first complete bow. Two bows make a hoop. Nineteen hoops makes a shed! Only 37 more bows to go! Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just getting this bow shed up is turning into a major production! I kinda underestimated how much work these things are. It doesn't help I'm doing it all by myself. My back and knees hurt somethin' fierce!

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Looks a lil' more like a messy construction site now. I've got 3 more bows to make, had to take a break for awhile, back seizing up on me. I don't like working on the ground. I'm building one more arch so I can double up the center span, that's where I'll lift the engine into the boat.

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The next report should be the actual assembly of this monster! Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:55 am
by Dougster
Man that looks like a huge job to me! I'm with you on the no fun working on the ground thing. It sure looks cool though so I look forward to the next pics. I need to build a boatport myself for my Nina, and will have to figure out how one day I guess.

Loves TW28 projects Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:47 am
by Knottybuoyz
Seems like every free minute I have to work on the shed in the last two weeks it's been raining! So I consoled myself and went shopping. We now have a "Wheel"!

Michigan Wheel Dyna-Jet 18DX13PX1-1/4" ($275 US) I think I got a deal.

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Hopefully the weather will cooperate this weekend and I'll be able to get the frame of the bow shed up! Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well the rain stopped finally! Got back to work on the shed. There's no way one guy can put up one as big as this alone. I'll have to rally some troops for tomorrow.

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Kinda looks like a giant spider spreading it's legs!

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Standby......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:50 pm
by gstanfield
That's a really neat shed idea. I'll have to file that away in my memory banks for future use. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:That's a really neat shed idea. I'll have to file that away in my memory banks for future use. :D
Lets see if it works first Mitch! :lol:

I've built myself a medieval siege machine!

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I couldn't find a 16' step ladder so I had to make something to reach the peak. It'll come in handy for hanging lights and shrinking the plastic etc. It's not finished yet but it can wait. I worked out there for 10 hours today. That's rough for a desk jockey like me! (but I loved it!)

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:05 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looks like a deer stand to me 8)

That bow shed appears to be a LOT of work, but very cool. When does it start snowing up there?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:13 pm
by gstanfield
It should get snowy soon, we had our first dusting of snow last night :( Then again my yard has been solid brown for a month now and that green grass makes me long for pretty much anywhere but here :|

EDIT: I just noticed you that Knotty called me Mitch and was really confused. The Mitch is the one credited with my quote in my signature line, my name is George. I'll change that to avoid confusion. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:EDIT: I just noticed you that Knotty called me Mitch and was really confused. The Mitch is the one credited with my quote in my signature line, my name is George. I'll change that to avoid confusion. :D
Sorry George.

It usually starts snowing around mid-November around here Larry.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:56 am
by gstanfield
Sorry is not needed, my signature line made it confusing :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:26 pm
by Swamp Skiff
Just read through this thread. Wow! You Sir have a serious amount of patience! I know I could not "plan" for a build for as long as you have and still have the will to continue. Once I start I'm okay for the long haul, but I gotta see more than paper and pieces parts at some time early on. Hats off to you.

Now I just have one comment. If you wanted smoked windows, there are better ways to do that than to start a fire in your boat! 8O :D Scary stuff, glad it worked out as well as it did.

Interesting shed, where is the design from?

Swamp

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Swamp Skiff wrote:Just read through this thread. Wow! You Sir have a serious amount of patience! I know I could not "plan" for a build for as long as you have and still have the will to continue. Once I start I'm okay for the long haul, but I gotta see more than paper and pieces parts at some time early on. Hats off to you.

Now I just have one comment. If you wanted smoked windows, there are better ways to do that than to start a fire in your boat! 8O :D Scary stuff, glad it worked out as well as it did.

Interesting shed, where is the design from?
Thnx Swampy. I think part of it is wanting to build this thing out of pocket which requires a lot of "waitin' for money to come in" time before or after you start. I started acquiring stuff about 3 yrs ago. The shed design comes from Stimson Marine ($20) and well worth it to order your own set of plans. Just Google "Stimson Marine Bow Shed".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Made some progress today with a lil' help from some friends.

First section up! This thing is a monster! There's no way to conceive in your head how big this thing is going to be until you start to put it up!

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Second section and another WTF have I gotten myself into now moment!

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Last section and last bow!

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Still a lot of work to do. It has to be trued up and all the horizontal & diagonal strapping put in. I have to frame in the ends and cover them with plastic first then the entire structure can be covered with the shrink wrap plastic. Next week likely! Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:20 pm
by gstanfield
Nice! It's a lot taller than I expected it to be :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Nice! It's a lot taller than I expected it to be :D
16-1/2 feet at the ridge. Definitely bigger than I thought it'd be. Should be plenty of height to work with though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:22 pm
by Swamp Skiff
Thanks for the link. Can't beat the plan price, probably get a set of plans just to learn the building method. How much is the film going to run for that structure and what is the life expectancy for the film?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Swamp Skiff wrote:Thanks for the link. Can't beat the plan price, probably get a set of plans just to learn the building method. How much is the film going to run for that structure and what is the life expectancy for the film?
I bought a full roll, 270' x 17' for a lil' over $300. It's 6 mil so it should last 3 yrs min. My next cheapest option was greenhouse plastic at twice that cost. Apparently the best you can get to cover something like this is canvas and paint it. 10 yr expectancy or better!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:13 am
by colinhart
Thanks for the info regarding the engine but 6000 miles is a long way to go to collect. I live the other side of the pond in UK like the structure you are putting up looks interesting cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It's been raining almost steady for the last two weeks. Finally this weekend the weather straightened itself out and we got back to work. It probably doesn't look it but we put in a full days work today. I had my buddy Andrew helping out (Paid labor, he's just a highschool kid but a good worker).

Framing up the shed doors etc.

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Ready to be shrunk tight!

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That'll come likely next Saturday. I can probably hang the plastic on the back end but will definitely need help draping the big sheets over the top of this monster!

Picked up a few small trinkets for the boat off of E-Bay this week. Just to keep my hand in the online auction game.

This little porthole will go in the door to the head.

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And a couple nice hawse pipes for the few mooring plan.

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More to come, if the weather cooperates, standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:36 pm
by cape man
That building is really cool and a great project. Lots of headroom there!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
There's not too many things I'm afraid of on this planet but this diabolical device is one of them!

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It sounds like a Concorde taking off! A little unsettling at first but it does get the job done!

I set out to make the barn doors today.

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I'll hang the top of these with the wonderful hinges a fellow boat builder gave me and my neighbor Robert gave me another pair of extra heavy duty hinges for the bottom. I don't think they'll see much service and will be semi-permanently closed. When it's time to pull the boat out of the shed I should be done with the shed so it can be dismantled at that time.

It took a little trial and error to get used to the flame thrower! It seems there's a bit of a time lag between applying heat to the plastic and it actually starting to shrink. If you linger too long over an area it melts.

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If you look close here you can see where I did exactly that. Good thing I bought the patch tape when I bought the heat shrink plastic. It works wonders. If you get too close to the plastic the flame thrower will burn straight through. That's what I did here.

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That patch tape works wonders. Hopefully as I get a little more used to this equipment I'll need less and less of it.

Well that's probably it till next weekend. Standby......

PS. When working with a flame thrower have the garden hose on standby, don't ask how I figured that out! Standby to standby......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:That building is really cool and a great project. Lots of headroom there!
Ayup! 16' should be 'nuff! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:34 pm
by gstanfield
EDIT: Double post :? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:36 pm
by gstanfield
I've spent many hours holding one of those weed burners to heat up heavy steel prior to welding or cutting. They do put out some heat and you're not kidding about the noise they make 8O

Looking good as usual,
George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:15 am
by Swamp Skiff
There's not too many things I'm afraid of on this planet but this diabolical device is one of them!
Shoot, that's just a baby! I'm used to venturi burners that put out 400,000 BTU each. Talk about some noise. I'd guess that little one puts out less than 10,000. Not that it can't mess you up in a split second.

Swamp

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:52 am
by colinhart
Hi Where did you get the plans for your barn and whos the manufacturer for the covering.I was wondering if they did an agricultural covering as one of my hobbies is growing bananas and my polytunnel height is too low for the tallest plants.
All the best Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Hi Where did you get the plans for your barn and whos the manufacturer for the covering.I was wondering if they did an agricultural covering as one of my hobbies is growing bananas and my polytunnel height is too low for the tallest plants.
All the best Colin
Hi Colin

The plans come from "Stimson Marine". http://www.by-the-sea.com/stimsonmarine/bowroof.html and cost $20 US. Well worth it I might add.

The plastic comes from Dr. Shrink. I bought it off of e- Bay. http://www.dr-shrink.com/products It comes in blue, white or clear.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Got a lil' more done on the shed today before the wind kicked up. Too tired to post pics so I just updated my blog site if you want to see pictures.

http://she-kon.blogspot.com/

Thnx. Going for a nappy now! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:59 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got a good nights sleep so feeling a little better. Here's the pics from yesterday.

Barn doors hung.

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Worked out some of the kinks in my shrink wrapping technique. Didn't linger with the heat in any one spot and it worked perfectly. The door on the left is the first one I did and had a couple of burn throughs. The one on the right is the one I did yesterday.

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We tried to hang the plastic on the outside of the shed but the wind kicked up.

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We'll try again today working from the opposite end. Maybe the wind will give us a hand this time. Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:40 pm
by TomW
Rick don't pull your plastic from the ends pull it over the sides. Throw some lines over the top I used 6 on my 48' greenhouse and then pull each starting from the ends tying them off as you get 1/3 up so all are up then over the top and finally down. Once you get to a certain point it will start coming on it's own, make sure the other bottom side is held down so it all doesn't come down, don't ask how I know. :lol: You want the plastic longer than the shed so the last lines are just outside the frame. Two of us pulled the 48 x 28 greenhouse in about 20 minutes after we were set up.

The other thing I noticed is your ends being loose and away from the frame. If you leave it like that those ends will get beat to death by the wind. Try to divide it into 4' x 6' areas and then use a backer over the plastic, ductape will work if it's the exterior type, you want something thick so the staples don't pull through. Then staple with monel or SS staples every 2" to hold the plastic to the framework.

It is looking great guy you have a quality shed there.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:00 pm
by Daddy
Put a tennis ball into a pouch that you make of your plastic near the edge of the sheet, tie the rope Tom mentioned around the encased tennis ball and throw the loose end of the rope up and over the ridge or your shed, make one of these units every six or eight feet, get a couple of friends and heave ho. Did a 60 footer this way, no probs. Mind the wind direction.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:03 am
by TomW
Forgot the tennis balls Daddy! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx for the advice fella's. If I had had more room to work I probably could have done it the way you describe. I knew I had to heat seal the seam in the middle but there was no way I could lay out a piece 34' x 45' in one piece. I'm really cramped for space here. We got past that hurdle though.

I cut the plastic into 4 pieces 14' x about 22'. Each bow is 20' so I had extra for overlap and at the bottom. I then roll the pieces up on edge and draped the whole sausage over the shed. Heat sealed the edge.

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Once we had the edge sealed it wasn't going anywhere. I could then just unroll the sausage across the bows and fasten it to the ridge (battens) as I went. Other than having to move the tower around a lot it went pretty easily. It was blowing 15-20 and this way I didn't have to worry about becoming a hang glider!

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Once I had the two pieces rolled out and fastened across the ridge I heat sealed the seam from top to bottom. It went pretty well. A little time consuming (about 1 hr per seam) but we got half done yesterday and will finish the rest today.

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Once the backside is done and the bottoms fastened I can shrink it down.

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I've got duct tape over the bows where they're rough. I don't see there being much movement of the plastic after its shrunk tight. I've got carpet strips on the ridge to prevent any chafing (fingers crossed).

I was worried a bit about wear as you said Tom. I've got the front pretty much divided up in that size but the plastic stands off the frame a bit. I don't know if it'll be like that once everything's buttoned up. If it is I'll tape and staple like you suggested.

Should get the rest finished today. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:54 am
by cape man
You may have already posted this, but what will you have in the whole structure when finished?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:You may have already posted this, but what will you have in the whole structure when finished?
TW28 stretched.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm too tired to type anything. I'll just let the pics speak for themselves.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:19 pm
by TomW
Looks mighty fine Rick!

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:34 pm
by gstanfield
NICE! I like it :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Fella's

At least now I've got a place to build the boat. Next step is to line the inside with Tyvek and get organized. Task now is to turn it into a boat building shop! Soon time to hunker down and hibernate for the winter though.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:28 am
by macs
That's pretty cool looking. Just curious, how much did it cost? I'm going to have to build someting for the houseboat project that will be next. I've got some framers that are real fast, but I might do something like yours. :doh:

Macs

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:51 pm
by Swamp Skiff
Looks good. What are the gaps you put along the bottom for? Drainage?

I've got a tent with a roof of about the same color. Don't be surprised if florescent colors really glow in there. I found that out when I woke up first thing in the morning with a slight hangover. Had some arrow fletchings at about eye level a few feet away from the bed. Sat blot upright when they glowed at me in the morning. Did not help my mood one little bit. :help:

Swamp

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
macs wrote:That's pretty cool looking. Just curious, how much did it cost? I'm going to have to build someting for the houseboat project that will be next. I've got some framers that are real fast, but I might do something like yours. :doh:

Macs
Hi Macs. Counting the casual labor I've paid for and a few small receipts to enter we're near $1500 for the whole shed so far. Probably another $300 to go and it'll be ready.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Swamp Skiff wrote:Looks good. What are the gaps you put along the bottom for? Drainage?

I've got a tent with a roof of about the same color. Don't be surprised if florescent colors really glow in there. I found that out when I woke up first thing in the morning with a slight hangover. Had some arrow fletchings at about eye level a few feet away from the bed. Sat blot upright when they glowed at me in the morning. Did not help my mood one little bit. :help:

Swamp
What have you been smokin'd own there Swampy? *hehehe* Yeah colors are all screwed up. The orange tabbly looks blood red in there!

I'll fill the gaps. The drainage is in the ground. We did that when we landscaped the yard.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:52 pm
by Swamp Skiff
Why do you think I sat bolt up right?!! I'd just a had couple extra beers, nothing else. Really freaked me out till I realized what was going on.

Swamp

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Now that the outside is pretty much finished I started on the inside. Put up the first section of Tyvek house wrap today.

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I used good old fashioned hockey stick tape to reinforce the staples. 8)

The two layers of plastic will provide a thermal break if I decide to heat the shed in the winter with a propane heater. Probably not this winter but definitely next I will. The Tyvek is white so that should help with the lighting and get rid of some of the blue tint from the shrink wrap. That's about it for now. Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My kit sees daylight for the first time in months! 8O

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One teeny tiny step closer to starting this endeavor. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:07 pm
by vla
Hmmmm......
A stack like that looks familiar.

Are you going to do anything with it before winter?
I think I'll make and place the frames for De Stoere Meid and than tuck her in, wait till temperatures rises.

Groeten, Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Hmmmm......
A stack like that looks familiar.

Are you going to do anything with it before winter?
I think I'll make and place the frames for De Stoere Meid and than tuck her in, wait till temperatures rises.
Hi Allard

Yup it's a big stack stack. Sometimes intimidating too! 8) I've got 18 extra sheets of 1/2" as well. That's what's stacked up against the wall now. I hope it's ok to store it this way for awhile, anybody know?

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I've still got a lot to do on the shed to get it into becoming a boat shop. I just got up the first set of lights.

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I'm pretty sure there won't be much going on this winter. Time to save some money for epoxy & fiberglass! I don't intend to heat the shed this winter but if the weather cooperates I might put the strongback together. We'll see.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:21 pm
by TomW
Rick the 18 sheets are okay for a week or 4 but for long term storage you want to lay it down. Your clamping it helps a bit. :wink:

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:Rick the 18 sheets are okay for a week or 4 but for long term storage you want to lay it down. Your clamping it helps a bit. :wink:
Thnx Tom. Hopefully it won't be stacked like that too long. Kinda wishing now I hadn't put the car in there though. Oh well.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:29 am
by cape man
Get that stack laid down and weighted as soon as you can. I had a real hard time making my hatch lids lay down as I left them like that for too long and they all warped.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:13 pm
by icelikkilinc
If there is no gap than no problem. all the wood guys here stack them like you do and they have no probs. but they are tightly put.
ıf they are able to move than the 1/2 will start to bend and will loose its straigthness.

if you have space, than flat is better but when flat, make sure the bottom one has complete grip. I mean dont let it sit someting smaller than the ply as the center will have the force laying flat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:16 pm
by icelikkilinc
cape man wrote:Get that stack laid down and weighted as soon as you can. I had a real hard time making my hatch lids lay down as I left them like that for too long and they all warped.
putting the marine ply into water makes it really soft to play with and than gluing to the area makes like a charm in these times. I use screws till the glue cures. after that the shape is all yours...

if you have a small piece of ply, give it a try and you will love the trick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:29 pm
by vla
Rick,

what do you do to prefend moisture or damp (what is the right word in this case) in plywood? For as far as I can judge you don't have a dampproof floor in the shet.
The problem is that if the moisture is high in the ply and you encapsulate it with epoxy the ply will rot in the end, it may take some time but the rot will come.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:29 pm
by vla
Rick,

what do you do to prefend moisture or damp (what is the right word in this case) in plywood? For as far as I can judge you don't have a dampproof floor in the shet.
The problem is that if the moisture is high in the ply and you encapsulate it with epoxy the ply will rot in the end, it may take some time but the rot will come.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:24 pm
by TomW
Vla as long as you treat the plywood as it comes to you and lay it flat and weight it down the % of humidity in the wood will not go up that much up. Let's say you get it at 12-14% it would take about 6months at 90% humidity to raise it to 16%. So the best suggestion I can offer you is get the wood and stack it flat and hope the humidity in your storage area stays low. or blow some heaters over it, to maintain the the low humidity.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:59 am
by Knottybuoyz
I'm going to get the extra sheets laid back down on the stack as soon as I figure out the best place for the stack. Where it is right now it's in the way. The previous owner said he moved it all at least 3 times. I certainly don't want to have to do that.

I'm not too much worried about humidity right now. There's good ventilation in the shed. Everything is up on blocks. I will eventually have a barrier plastic on the floor then cover it with OSB (Oriented Strand Board (Aspenite)). When it's minus 30 up here the humidity drops to near 0. Cold and dry! The whole stack sat outside under tarps for 4 months and I didn't see any signs of moisture build up.

I guess the best thing to do is get crackin' puttin' this thing together eh? :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:56 am
by colinhart
Be careful when heating with propane. I went on a course with the West system Epoxy suppliers and they said that heating with propane when epoxying is a big no no. This is because for every 1Kg you use of Propane you put 2Kg of water into your enclosure. This is due to epoxy being a C H group of Chemicals and it combines with Oxygen to produce H2O. The structure looks good much more proffessional than my shanty town attempt Best of Luck

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:28 am
by colinhart
Sorry that should read propane being a cH chemical C3 H8 I think not epoxy as I said in the earlier post it was a bit early in the morning

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:34 am
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: I guess the best thing to do is get crackin' puttin' this thing together eh?
Best solution anyway!

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:59 am
by TomW
Colin heating with propane will not be a problem for Rick. He actually needs to add humidity into his build space. His winters provide nearly 0% humidity and even if he burns 5-10 lbs a day in that large space he will never raise the humidity above 30% or so. It just won't be a problem for him. Fans to circulate the air will keep it suspended

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:53 pm
by colinhart
Your making me envious we have had only 2 dry days out of the last 10 days and we live in the driest area of england. approx 24 inches a year. Autumn consists of wet damp days with a temp 4-8 degrees celsius. Dark afternoons sun down at 4 o clock roll on the 21st of dec the nights start getting shorter and summers on its way with the sun setting at 10 o clock. Tried to epoxy a new tip on the bottom boards as I wasn't happy with the curve and 10 hours later it still hasn't cured.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:52 am
by Knottybuoyz
Tom's right on the humidity thing. We have to run humidifiers in the house all winter. It gets so dry the plaster boards (drywall) on the walls shrink and crack. Besides waking up with crusty critters in your nose it's almost unbearable without supplemental humidifiers. I'm thinking of hanging a couple of ceiling fans in the shed to keep the air moving. Might get that done this weekend. After that I have to build a long table to stitch the panels together. I hate (and can't) work on the ground. The idea is to turn the table over when I'm done and use it to build the strongback.

Colin, where's your pictures?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:23 am
by TomW
Rick don't use ceiling fans. All they will do is redistribute the dust you'll be making and it will go everywhere 8O . Get one of these and they will help catch the dust instead of spreading it. Your going to be making a lot of it from the time you start cutting. :lol: This is a Jet, but Delta makes them and a couple of others. They'd be more effiecent if you had an 8' ceiling but they will still work. http://woodworker.com/afs500-air-filter ... 38-623.asp

Good cutting

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:22 pm
by colinhart
Pictures coming soon. I have a Jet ceiling dust filter as shown in the picture in my workshop and it is fantasic at clearing the dust it also keeps you cool in summer. I am just cutting the Bulwarks does anyone know if the radius of curvature is given on the plans( I cannot find it ) where the level changes or is it just left to the builder to form a pleasing curve

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:I am just cutting the Bulwarks does anyone know if the radius of curvature is given on the plans( I cannot find it ) where the level changes or is it just left to the builder to form a pleasing curve
If I remember correctly it's up to you. I remember looking for it on the drawings and didn't see it. Most of the corners are 3" radius (6" dia). I'd try doubling that and see what you get.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:Rick don't use ceiling fans. All they will do is redistribute the dust you'll be making and it will go everywhere 8O . Get one of these and they will help catch the dust instead of spreading it. Your going to be making a lot of it from the time you start cutting. :lol: This is a Jet, but Delta makes them and a couple of others. They'd be more effiecent if you had an 8' ceiling but they will still work. http://woodworker.com/afs500-air-filter ... 38-623.asp
Thnx for the tip Tom. My brother has one of those in his workshop. I'll have a look at Lowes and see what they have. I was thinking a couple of cheap box fans with filters would work too.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:16 am
by TomW
was thinking a couple of cheap box fans with filters would work too.
Rick if you build two and put one at about 1/4 way from the end and the other at the other at the other end pointing in the other direction, that would work. Use a HEPA filter inside protected by a regular furnace filter. Size them 24-30" x box fan size. The only problem with them is that you need to check and change filters more frequently. They obviously are not as efficent as the designed ones but they will cut down on the dust a lot.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I saw the 30" box fans on sale last week at Lowes for $15 each. Not much risk trying a couple of those.

Got the second set of lights up.

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Took a little break for a hot chocolate and got owned!

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Boots is a bit of a pest with a permanent leak in his scratchie tank. I can't complain, he's my buddy!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:19 pm
by gstanfield
Nice cat, and I see you're wearing the infamous polar bear cap too :wink:

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Nice cat, and I see you're wearing the infamous polar bear cap too :wink:
Thnx George. He's old and retired. We rescued him last year before winter set in. He was about 5 lbs, ribs sticking out. Now he's a healthy 20 lbs. Vet thinks he's about 14 yrs old which is old for a stray.

You know about the laughing polar bear caps?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:59 pm
by gstanfield
Yes sir, I don't often post over there, but I follow a lot of threads. Simon invited me to watch and laugh at Tenner along the way :wink:

I'm kinda like Santa Clause, I'm everywhere :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila
You need to fix your signature quote George. It should be:
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns, tequila and red heads!
Yes there's some entertaining and informative characters over there. Sometimes the good stuff gets lost in all the off topic discussions of politics and religion etc. Yech!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:41 pm
by gstanfield
Yeah, I enjoy following the threads over there, but I don't dare take part in many because I would find myself getting too mad at the guy who stops in to bash people's work all the time. He irritates me...a lot!

Oh yeah, Redheads..... brings back some memories, but I'm not sure I'd call them mistakes :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:16 pm
by colinhart
Trust me to make a comment about the weather. I know you have amazing winters in Canada but we have just had the coldest day in December ever on the records.
roll on spring and I can start building again Have a good Christmas

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Trust me to make a comment about the weather. I know you have amazing winters in Canada but we have just had the coldest day in December ever on the records.
roll on spring and I can start building again Have a good Christmas
I've seen that on the news. You've got a lot more snow over there than we have. Just got our first good dusting this morning as a matter of fact. Temps have been pretty good, -2-3 C in the daytime, -6-8 C at night.

The roads weren't plowed when I headed out this morning so I slipped the Jeep into 4WD. Somewhere amongst the blowing and drifting snow I think I ran over a Prius! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:09 pm
by colinhart
Scotland hit minus 27 c England around minus 18 2 to 3 foot of snow up north usual temp 8 c
so much for global warming

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:21 pm
by TomW
Hey guys I'm in the south here in the states I went out and it was -6C today. Hit -9C last night. So much for global warming. We should be up at about 10C at this time of year.

You guys stay warm Colin and Rick! :)

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
That's really not good Tom. When I get this boat built we want to head south to get out of the cold & snow. *shiver*

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:53 am
by Cracker Larry
You better go WAY down south! It's 21F in south Georgia this morning, and Richard just sent me a pic of the thermometer in his truck, 26 degrees in south central Florida. Those citrus trees are going to have a problem if it keeps this up :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:40 pm
by Dog Fish
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:32 pm
by Daddy
Well, without winter we couldn't walk on the lake, ride our snowmobiles, get heart attacks shoveling snow, have white Christmases, and life would be one frikkin sunny day after another... how boring! Heart attacks a bad thing? heck no, weeds out the weak and ensures we will have enough to eat til spring when the roots and berries are exposed again :D
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:18 pm
by Dog Fish
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:38 pm
by gk108
All both of the people in our company's Florida division have pulled up and gone to Hawaii for a month, so it must be cold on down there. 8O This cold snap makes me think about offering to go housesitting in Apollo Beach for a few weeks.
:lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
Weather predictions are for a foot & half of white fluffy stuff this weekend. Suks too 'cause I haven't got any xmas shopping done yet. :?

The bow shed seems to shed snow pretty well though. I'm afraid I might wipe out my neighbors tin garden shed if a lot of snow comes off of it all at once! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:37 am
by TomW
Yea this weather stinks, 5 days below freezing highs when we're supposed to be above 50 one a record. A couple inches of snow on Sunday night that has stuck around. Nights in the teens and one at 9. Hey I moved away from Ohio and Boston to get away from this stuff.

Rick glad to hear the shed sheds snow pretty well. I don't know what they told you on your plastic shed, but on my greenhouse they always said to keep it above freezing so that the snow would melt off as it fell and you did not have a large build up. A 1 1/2' of snow can weigh an awful lot. But it was flatter than your boat building. :wink:

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:40 am
by cape man
Apollo Beach isn't as warm as you might think!

http://www.wusf.usf.edu/news/2010/12/07 ... ifer_level

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:38 am
by gk108
They probably had power all night, unlike me. Around here, every time the temps get around 20F, we (the whole neighborhood) have a power failure that lasts anywhere from 3 hours to 3 days! Had to run my standby generator for about 5 hours this morning. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:42 am
by gstanfield
Wow, that sucks. If we had that problem we'd be without power from about middle September until the end of May :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:57 pm
by Cracker Larry
Same here GK, thank the Lord for Generac :D What happens is that many of the trees limbs freeze, and snap off and fall on the power lines. Especially the pines. Cold is a mess down here. You can stand on the porch at night and listen to the trees freeze and crack in the woods, sounds like gun shots.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:Rick glad to hear the shed sheds snow pretty well. I don't know what they told you on your plastic shed, but on my greenhouse they always said to keep it above freezing so that the snow would melt off as it fell and you did not have a large build up. A 1 1/2' of snow can weigh an awful lot. But it was flatter than your boat building. :wink:
Snow seems to slide off of it pretty well Tom. No chance of putting any heat in there this winter anyways so what I got is what I got. The shape helps a lot though with the high peak. We'll see how well it does this weekend with the dump of snow we're expecting. Even with the sun low on the horizon this time of year it warms up pretty well in there during the day. Cools off really quick though at night.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:52 pm
by Daddy
About ten years ago a friend let me use his greenhouse to finish a boat that i was building. There was no heat but during the day it would get so hot in there that I worked in a T shirt and that was with 20 below outside and brilliant sunshine. Unbelievable, there were green things growing in there, and a woodchuck too! A couple of years later the plastic blew away and he sold it.
You will enjoy it for sure.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
Sorry to say I don't have any progress of worth to report other than I don't have to hang any Xmas lights on the shed. It glows in the dark in this nice cool blue color!

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The only other thing of note is we received the mortgage discharge papers this week. It's all ours now and there'll be more $$$ in the boat building kitty!

Carry on......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:26 am
by TomW
Congrats, Rick :D It sure feels good when that peice of paper is delivered to you doesn't it! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW wrote:Congrats, Rick :D It sure feels good when that piece of paper is delivered to you doesn't it! 8)
Absolutely. It was a struggle for a few years. When I bought the place I was living in my van with 6 boxes of my measly possessions. The ex got everything else and was welcome to it!

Going to have to do some more work on the shed. Raining and sloppy here the last few days and there's a lot of condensation building up in the shed. I went in there this morning and it was raining on me! :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:16 pm
by TomW
Yep those big sheds, greenhouses are notorious for condensation build up. The only way to stop it is ventilation fans. I have two 36" with automatic opening shutters on the other end in my big GH(48 x 28) The fans are on thermostats. The shutters are pulled open by the air flow of the fans. About 6' above the floor.

You'll also need them to keep the heat bearable in the summer. Probably an expense you didn't count on but if you don't have them you won't be able to work in there. I'll try to find a source for you.

Here's a US source that ships to Canada http://www.growerssupply.com/farm/suppl ... 05530.html I could not find a source in Canada.

Here's a calculator I found also http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/fan-calc.shtml

You may only need one fan high and 2 shutters and your 2 box fans circulating air.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Tom

I haven't got the floor covered with plastic yet so I imagine a lot of moisture is coming up through the ground. Still have to get the rest of the tyvek up on the ends. That'll have to wait till spring I guess, the car is in the way. Doh!

I picked up two 26" box fans from Lowes for $15 each. I'll see if I can rig those up to move some air see what happens.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:54 pm
by Joe H
I hope you have all the tie downs in place, we are getting hit hard with blizzard like conditions!

It's colds and snowy with 40 mph winds here, heading your way, hang on.

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:33 am
by LOW277
The storm went through southern/mid Minnesota earlier this weekend, part of the Vikings stadium dome collapsed. I am 6 hours further north of the twin cities, we missed the snow but got the cold instead. I woke up to -18 degrees F and they are forecasting a high of -5 degrees F.

All we can do now is prepare for ice fishing on Lake Of The Woods, from now until mid March!

Enjoy!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:06 pm
by Dog Fish
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:48 pm
by colinhart
I cannot believe I was moaning about our weather after hearing you Guys weather. Mind you the colds coming back apparantly and everybody is betting on a white christmas with the bookmakers. Big thing overhere it hasnt snowed in southern england on christmas day since 1972.the christmas holiday celebration can last up to a week over here.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:25 pm
by Bowmovement
It was 80 degrees here yesterday and almost 90 Sunday 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:36 am
by TomW
Matt your bad! We set a record low HI today 30 degrees below our normal it was 20 instead of 50. Single digits last night and tonight and 20 or so tomorrow. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Just be glad your not back in NC right now!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:49 am
by Bowmovement
TomW wrote:Matt your bad! We set a record low HI today 30 degrees below our normal it was 20 instead of 50. Single digits last night and tonight and 20 or so tomorrow. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Just be glad your not back in NC right now!
Not my bad. Thats one of the only reasons I never moved back to NC. I love seasons, just not the crappy ones.

Matt

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
Too cold to go outside so I had to find something to tinker with. I don't really know what I'm doing so I make it up as I go along.

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I used 3/16" cotton diamond braid cord. I think about 120' to do the whole wheel.

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That's about it. Carry on and stay warm.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:52 am
by TomW
Very nice!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Made a few attempts at the Turks Head to cover the gaps. Back to the drawing board!

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Thnx Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:29 pm
by Bowmovement
Very Nice!

Matt

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just about 4 weeks till all this white stuff is gone so I can get started. Getting anxious. Parts are piling up too!

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Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:34 am
by topwater
Looks like the boat building shed is holding up just fine 8) I like the way the snow just slides off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I bought one of these today.

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I hope it's going to be a good investment. The Admiral is primary epoxy mixer on this project. We've had the chat about the risk of messing up a batch on such a large project. Think I got her a little frightened of the whole process. I assured her a few trial runs will be in order before we commit to the big jobs.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:43 pm
by colinhart
It looks good what quantity does it mix up in one go?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:It looks good what quantity does it mix up in one go?
Think it said 1 qt per minute. I'm not too sure of the size of the containers, gallon & half maybe.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:48 pm
by Daddy
ratio?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:ratio?
2:1

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:03 am
by topwater
I looked hard and long at buying one of those for my build. If i was building a boat the size of
yours i would have bought it. A lot of air plane builders use them with good results. I am pretty sure
you get one oz of mixed epoxy for each pump of the handle. Nice for small batches.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:36 am
by vla
Rick,

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Its almost time!
I know its hard to put your feet on the cold floor, but you know its gonna happen.
But remember that the first part of the building is spectacular. Especially if the bottom and side panels are placed. Then de dreams turns into a boat.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Allard. I needed that little chuckle! :)

It was +8C here yesterday and lots of rain, 75mm in 24 hrs. It washed away most of the snow and I was in the shed yesterday trying to figure out the pipes for my sawdust collector. I went to bed last night and it was still raining. I had high hopes of getting the pipes all assembled today. Woke up this morning to 8" of fresh snow on the ground. :| The entrance to my shed is blocked with about 4' of snow!

Mother Nature isn't cooperating just yet so you better let the Polar Bear sleep peacefully or he'll be really grumpy when you wake him up! 8O

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hooking up the super dooper sawdust sucker system.

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I had my epoxy meter/mixer in a week! Here it is under assembly. It's not as big as I thought it'd be. Going to have to look at some way of replenishing it quickly and without making a mess.

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Double digit temperatures by the weekend. If things dry up a bit I can get the boat and car out of my way and get this show on the road!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:52 am
by colinhart
Best of luck have fun watch those sanders Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
I fired up the ole' IROC last night in prep to move it out of the shed.

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Spring is only 2 days away. Wohoo!

Is there such a thing as "Pre-build Jitters"? I think I got 'em bad! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:30 am
by tobolamr
I think the Pre-Build Jitters are also mixing with the Spring Elation that hits everyone about this time! :lol: I'm a Ford guy - but that's a fine looking Iroc! Can't wait to see you tear into the TW28!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:28 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Spring is only 2 days away. Wohoo!

Is there such a thing as "Pre-build Jitters"? I think I got 'em bad! :?
That is no question, but the reality. There is only one solution, start. It realy helps.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
One step closer.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
One instant, well nearly instant work bench. Starting to look something like a work shop now!

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The sawdust collector works well. I think that'll be a big plus down the road.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm so well organized I'll never find nuttin'! :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:43 pm
by Brettitt41
Nice set up. It will look perfect with some boat dust on it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:59 am
by fodrega
Congratulations Rick, really nice.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Congratulations Rick, really nice.
Thnx Fabio

I just ordered the lumber for the strongback! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:50 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:I'm so well organized I'll never find nuttin'! :wink:
That is not a workshop, it's a laboratory, congratulations!

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:11 pm
by tobolamr
Do you have your dust collection runs grounded? I've heard tell of nasty shocks from ungrounded dust collection lines. Just a thought in case I missed it!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:59 pm
by TomW
Agree T! 8O Also to make the cutoff saw more useable build or buy some tables that are the same height as it's table and with a clamping board at the back so you can cut off multiple peices of the same size. Get rid of everything on that table and put them on another table. http://woodworker.com/2'-mitersaw-table ... arch=Miter Saws&searchmode=2 This is the top of the line 8) I just build my own with pine and clamps.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:45 pm
by TheBroomside
Dear Rick,

This is really a bad case of 'Reculer pour mieux sauter" - draw back in order to make a better jump- :)
I am really looking forward to your build...

Good luck,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:This is really a bad case of 'Reculer pour mieux sauter" - draw back in order to make a better jump- :) I am really looking forward to your build...
Thnx Peter. That pretty much sums it up.

I'll ground the sawdust tubes guys. Thnx. There's one more work bench to go in so nothing there is fixed just yet. I've almost got the stack of plywood uncovered now! :wink:

Last night I rigged up a small (2000 lb) 12V winch to use as a hoist. When I built the shed I put 3 - 1/2" eye bolts in the ridge just for that purpose. One has a simple rope fall, the second the winch and the last one I'll probably put another rope fall.

That link didn't work but I think I know what you're getting at Tom.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I just gotta laugh. Just looked at this thread. I started it almost 5 years ago (May 31, 2006) and it's over 40 pages and 400 posts and I haven't even stuck two boards together yet! 8O

That's gotta be some sort of record eh? :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
I'm quickly running out of things to "tinker" with before I start. (read excuses) :wink:

When I built the shed I embedded 3 half inch eye bolts in the ridge. These would be used to rig up some rope falls and a hoist. The hoist is powered by my 2000 lb 12 V winch.

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When I got it rigged and tested with my own weight and a few 12 V batteries I noticed a lot of deflection of the bows as they spread out about 2/3rds of the way up the sides. I countered this by adding two cable stays to keep them from spreading.

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The last thing I wanted was an area for the epoxy & fiberglass work. Something clean and bright. This is what I came up with. Same shelf bases as the other work bench with melamine tops & white board backing.

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I've only got one task left for the "Tower of Pain and Suffering" before I can tear it apart. That'll begin tomorrow night! Then it's onto building an assembly table for the long panels.

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Serious pre-building jitters now! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:14 pm
by cape man
I just gotta laugh. Just looked at this thread. I started it almost 5 years ago (May 31, 2006) and it's over 40 pages and 400 posts and I haven't even stuck two boards together yet!
ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

May be a record...ask KS8 :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The Tower of Pain and Suffering has fallen!

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This is all that remains of that wonderful piece of engineering!

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The shop floor is now clear to begin assembly! 8)

Standby, this is going to get really messy! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:41 am
by colinhart
Rick did you find out how to get hold of the PDF file regarding the engine installation. Workshop looks really good your be fine building the beast it seems to get bigger by the day regards Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Rick did you find out how to get hold of the PDF file regarding the engine installation. Workshop looks really good your be fine building the beast it seems to get bigger by the day regards Colin
Joel's on the case of the upgraded manual Colin. I'll let you know.

I'm just glad I'll never have to climb that tower again! :wink: I think the timing is just about right, weather is starting to turn in our favor and it finally feels like spring. It's all coming together.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:29 am
by jacquesmm
colinhart wrote:Rick did you find out how to get hold of the PDF file regarding the engine installation. Workshop looks really good your be fine building the beast it seems to get bigger by the day regards Colin
Email the order desk, he is the one that handles the files.
OrderDesk at e-boat dot net

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:39 am
by jacquesmm
I changed my mind and posted it online.
Download it from here:
http://bateau2.com/free/inboard_tpl_notes.pdf

It is an excerpt, not pretty but it's all in there.
The complete manual was an enormous file.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got it Jacques. Thanks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
As of 12:00 hrs Eastern time April 2, 2011 the first parts are being cut! 8)

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Seven years in the planning and it's all lead up to this day! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:38 pm
by Dougster
I remember the feeling on my much smaller project :D I sure look forward to seeing her progress.

Watching the show Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:49 pm
by gstanfield
Congrats, I know that has to be a wonderful feeling :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:01 pm
by Bowmovement
Awesome!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The shed's getting a lil' crowded. There's parts stacked up everywhere and we're not even near the bottom of the stack of plywood yet!

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That's it till tomorrow. I'm pooped! A good pooped though! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:08 pm
by Royce
Congratulations on a great start!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
Last of the CnC parts cut out. My aching back!

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:34 pm
by fodrega
Congratulations Rick, hip hip hurra!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Congratulations Rick, hip hip hurra!
It sure was a nice feeling to get to the bottom of the pile Fabio! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Assembly table ready to start stitching the long panels together. It's not long 'nuff so the longer panels will be sticking out the door! :oops:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:02 pm
by vla
Rick great, now the real work on the boat begins. Now you get an idea about the real dimensions of the boat. And the sizes are big! Those of your boat are still larger than my boat.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Rick great, now the real work on the boat begins. Now you get an idea about the real dimensions of the boat. And the sizes are big! Those of your boat are still larger than my boat.
Thanks Allard. This is going to be tight for sure. I can open up the front of the shed a bit to give me room to get around it. Watching your build closely too! Keep up the good work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
The Project Manager overlooking my work. I got his paw of approval!

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I had to rebuild the table. It broke the first time I dropped a sheet of 1/2" plywood on it. It's much stronger now.

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Nothing glamorous going on yet. Just cleaning up the scrap pieces and salvaging what I may be able to use later. Has anyone ever seen a CnC kit for a butterfly hatch? I saw one on another BBS and was wondering if anybody knew where I might be able to get one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:54 pm
by Daddy
Save all of those pieces. They will come in handy. I dig through the pile and in the end have used almost every scrap. I heat my shop with wood and I have still not burned a scrap of that plywood. Maybe when I am finished with this boat, but hey...
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:31 pm
by Crazy Terry
Daddy wrote:Save all of those pieces. They will come in handy. I dig through the pile and in the end have used almost every scrap. I heat my shop with wood and I have still not burned a scrap of that plywood. Maybe when I am finished with this boat, but hey...
Daddy
I just got my first look at that plywood when mine was delivered this morning. That plywood is just too purdy to burn. No way.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
MDF forms for the strongback liberated from their sheets.

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I think this is a first generation kit and maybe one of the first cut for Bateau of the TW28. See the pic below. Both are the most fwd pieces of the bottom.

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There's exactly 4" difference in length. I'm guessing this will mean each side is totally different and I'll be shuffling sheets of ply till I can figure out which is which. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:55 am
by jacquesmm
I responded by email.

In this case, the CNC notes and drawings show how the sheets are nested and yes, there is a difference between port and starboard.

PS: the real fun will happen later when you have to sort all the pilot house framing, lots of small parts.
But they are easier to handle than the hull panels.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Jacques

I was careful to mark everything except the bottom panels. Live and learn. Word to the wise as they say.

It's nice to have the support of the designer and the experience of the previous builders. I don't think I could have done this without those. It's a big project.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:19 pm
by gk108
It's a big project.
I can't imagine how much time the kit saves. It would take me months to have all that raw material selected, sorted and partially processed. 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gk108 wrote:
It's a big project.
I can't imagine how much time the kit saves. It would take me months to have all that raw material selected, sorted and partially processed. 8O
One person GK? I'm guessing a months work, two-three hrs a night and 8-10 on weekends maybe. And that's someone who's more organized than me. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
'Round and 'round we go!

It was one of those days running around fetchin' stuff, gettin' rid of junk and ponderin'!

First was a trip to the UPS store to pick up 300 lbs of fiberglass!

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Luckily the nice fella's who sold it to me were good 'nuff to split it into 4 equal lengths of 12.5 yds each. This stuff is heavy, 33oz sq/yd Vectorply Triaxial fabric. I bought some to try earlier in the year and discussed it with Jacques. I think it's going to work and if it does it cuts my cost to cover the hull virtually in half.

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The next trip was to visit a fellow boat builder who had 4 sheets of 1/4" marine ply to trade. He got a good deal, 4 sheets of 1/2' for the 4 of the 1/4". It was a good deal for me too. I got what I needed to do the mods on the boat. We got to chatting about boat stuff and before I knew it an hour had flown by! I guess that's to be expected when two boat builder guys get together. Anyhow, thanks Burton.

Getting the plywood home and unloaded it was time to load up the trailer with the scraps from the kit parts plus the junk wood that's been kicking around the shed. I've tripped over the stuff a dozen times so it had to go. The mahogany and MDF scraps weren't on the pile 2 mins and a picker was there looking it over! ;-) Told him there'd be more later on if he wants to check with me later.

When I got that done I started pondering. I have to duplicate Frame E so I laid it out on the table to see what it looks like. This is the widest frame at almost 10'

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Laid out like that this boat is going to be huge! There won't be a whole lotta room to move around in the shed once it's on the strongback. That worries me a bit but I'll have to live with it. I did notice both "L" sections of the frame were identical which means the marks cut by the CnC machine for the baseline and sheer only appear on one side or the other! :? No biggie, just a pain to transfer them to the front side of the section.

Next I looked at the cabin side and how I'm going to handle the extension. It would have been nice to get the panels without the windows cut. It would have been easier to splice in the 39" extension. Anyhow, the windows are cut so I'll deal with it. I left myself enough overlap to compensate for any differences I'll encounter. I get the feeling Mr. Planer, Mr. Grinder and Mr. Belt Sander are going to be my best friends on this project.

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That's about it for today's boat building activities folks. I'm knackered, pooped, scroodled and pretty much toast! Carry on without me......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I've committed my first "Act of Epoxy"! I guess there's no turning back now!

Joints lined up, peel ply & release film ready to go.

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Clamped in place. We'll find out tomorrow night if I've been successful or not.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:50 pm
by TRC886
Looks like a good start :D Good luck on it :!: :D

trc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Foredeck going together. Had to cover it and slip the heater in there. Only 5 degs outside today and about 7 inside the shed.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I got to spend some quality time with my belt sander tonight. I ran out of peel ply and tried somethin' I found in the ole' woman's sewing room. It didn't work too well and I had to grind it all off! :?

Fwd cabin roof going together as soon as it warms up a bit and I get some more peel ply.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ear problems have kept me down and out this past week so not much to report other than the weather. We're really lucky we don't get much really bad weather in this part of the world. My heart goes out to those down south recovering from the weather that's befallen them this week. We felt the tail end of the those same storms yesterday. It was blowing 60-70 MPH here yesterday and that's highly unusual for us. The plans I bought for the bow shed said 70 mph was the max for the design. I built it to plans and doubled the size of the stakes that went into the ground. I now think that was a good idea. The winds hit their hardest after lunch and I work 60 miles from home so all I could was sit here and worry. When I got home last night the shed was still standing but taking a pretty good beating from the 40+ MPH winds. It moved (racked back and forth) quite a bit and had blown the bottom of one of the big doors in but otherwise it was still in tact. I backed the doors up with a 2x8 and tied the shed down to my boat and my garden shed.

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I think I'll find some bags to fill with 200-300 lbs of sand and tie those to the corners of the shed. Thanks to Stimson Marine for a great shed design.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:17 am
by gstanfield
Glad your big blue UFO didn't take off and terrorize Canadia in that wind :lol: Now get those ear problems taken care of so you can get back to building

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:41 pm
by Daddy
Wouldn't that have been something, almost s good as the balloon boy. You might end up with your own reality show, "Boatbuilder In The Sky". :P
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
When the designer says the shed will withstand 70 MPH winds I'm pretty sure he's correct! I'm glad he was too! :wink: It would have been a shame to have to start all over again!

Anyhow, feeling a bit better and making a lil' headway now Moved the two sides of the cabin top outside.

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They'll stay here till next summer I'm guessing. They'll be wrapped up neatly in the tarp to keep them dry and safe.

Moved onto the bulwarks. These are pretty simple joins so I did both sides at once. First time I've done that. We'll see how they turn out.

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When the bulwarks are done I'll start on the bottom and side panels. That'll take a bit of forethought to juggling the parts once they're assembled.

That's it for now. Shower then off to the Flea Market to see what treasures I can find. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:04 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Nice to se this build started and progressing.
Just out of curiosity, weren't you going to lengthen the hull (TW31) ??? This is certainly an exciting aspect of your build.
How does this affect the pieces you are preparing?

Peter
Lus

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:Nice to se this build started and progressing.
Thank you Peter.
TheBroomside wrote:Just out of curiosity, weren't you going to lengthen the hull (TW31) ??? This is certainly an exciting aspect of your build. How does this affect the pieces you are preparing?
I'm stretching it 39-1/8" in the middle. This will bring it to about 31'-5" overall. I drafted all the parts in AutoCad to help. Essentially I'm doubling Frame "E" so I'll have to extend all the long panels for the hull and decks etc. The main cabin top in the previous picture shows the extension for the main cabin length and the extended hard top over the cockpit. Ilker gave me the dimensions for that. It should work ok. It'll need some adjusting as I go but that's ok, I'm ready for it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:42 am
by colinhart
My God you are brave I am worried enough about the straight build. Did you see the post I made about using the clean sanded fairings and whether you could used it again what do you think?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:My God you are brave I am worried enough about the straight build. Did you see the post I made about using the clean sanded fairings and whether you could used it again what do you think?
I just replied to that post. I don't know. A test may be in order to see how it works.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:18 pm
by vla
Rick,

Good to read that your health is better. How was the flee market? Did you find something (un)usefull?
I'm curious what your extended boat will look like. I am curious how the curvature of the sheerline and the side panels will be.
Today I replaced a piece of the deck of my sail yacht (Van de Stadt 21, a Sea mini).

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Allard

My apologies to Mr. Yavuz for butchering his photo but I'm going to try to achieve something like this....

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I'm sure there'll be issues with those curves. Epoxy and filler can fix a lot of things (I think)! :?

I ended up cleaning up the Admiral's car before it goes to service tomorrow. Ended up taking up my whole afternoon and Flea Market time doing that. :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Had a lil' mess with mixing up all the bottom panels. I assumed they were identical but both are cut differently by the CnC machine. It took a while because the kit is different from the drawings. On the kit panels the box keel opening is already cut out.

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I eventually figured it all out. This is both sides laid on top of each other. They're identical. The Kerfs are on the same side so when they go on the strongback one side will have them inside and the other outside. They (in my humble opinion) should have been cut as mirror images of each other. Not a big deal, I'm sure I can handle it! :wink:

Had a little run in with a runaway tape measure. It was recoiling itself across the full length of the bottom panel when I tried to stop it. Cut right to the bone and only stopped by my nail!

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Good thing I keep paper towel and cloth hockey tape handy! It's almost as good as duct tape for emergencies! :oops:

Tomorrow: Taping and gluing more panels.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:39 pm
by fodrega
Hy Rick, I`m very happy seeing you working on your boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, I`m very happy seeing you working on your boat.
Thanks Fabio. I enjoy watching your project come together. It's an inspiration. Keep up the good work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This lil' nuisance has been pesterin' me since Saturday. It was firmly embedded in the pad of my left thumb! Got it guiding the planer along a sheet of plywood! (Yeah, without gloves). :oops:

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I dug at it for two days and it was in there deep and hurt like h*ll! Once I got it out I took some Universal Antidote to ensure there's no lasting ill effects! :wink:

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Gluing and taping the bottom panels. Should have one done by the weekend and ready to start on the second one. They're BIG! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Still stitching long panels together. This will be my life for awhile yet.

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I find this stuff helps a lot with the waiting and watching epoxy cure as well as the pain of slivers! :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
A sharp chisel made quick work of the glass that covered the kerfs. If you catch it when the epoxy is still green it cuts through the glass like a knife through butter!

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Second bottom panel laid out for gluing and taping. I'm going to leave the bottom panels in two parts and join them on the strongback. It'd just be too big for me to handle otherwise.

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I picked up a biscuit joiner on sale. I'm going to do a few test runs and may use it when joining the side panels.

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That's about it for now. Just watching the epoxy cure. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:38 pm
by gstanfield
Looking good, I like the idea to cut the biax over the kerfs. That should make things a bit easier on down the road when you're filling in the kerfs and fairing the panels 8)

Oh yeah, the Guinness is pretty good stuff :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:53 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looking great from here Rick 8) Dang, I admire anyone who would tackle a project like that. It would take me a LOT of beer to build that boat 8O I'd have to work it into the budget spreadsheet, it would probably cost more than the sand paper :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I was kinda hoping the Guinness wouldn't be necessary though. I don't drink much beer at all, I'm a Rum man. But I have it on good authority from a fellow boat builder it's absolutely essential and he seems to be right! :? Go figure!

Can you get so wrapped up in building that you don't notice you've hurt yourself till hours later? :doh: I dunno what I did but my left knee feels like someone hit it with a sledge hammer! :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:15 pm
by cape man
It takes 1 gallon of home made beer per each gallon of epoxy on a home made boat. The Guiness may require more.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 9:55 pm
by Bowmovement
Its coming along nice.

Little trick about the splinters. If its a small one that you cant get out, take the thin membrane/skin from a raw egg. The part that is connected to the shell. Put that over the splinter and put a band aid on it. It will work itself out.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:35 am
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Can you get so wrapped up in building that you don't notice you've hurt yourself till hours later? :doh: I dunno what I did but my left knee feels like someone hit it with a sledge hammer! :cry:
Hmm, sounds familiar! I use a Chimay (Belgium trapist) works good in such cases.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Bottom panels done. Onto the sides.

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Might have a torn meniscus in my left knee! :cry: No idea how I did it either. :? Hopefully it won't affect the boat building process too much.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I knew I'd run into this problem eventually. The side panels are 32' 3" long and the shed is only 32'! :oops:

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When I built the barn doors I always had something like this in mind.

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Not pretty but it should keep the rain out. It should give me room to get around the boat at both ends. *fingers crossed* I'll hang a screen door later. It's over 90 degs F in the shed right now so I have to put some thought into more ventilation. :?

Off to see Gordon Lightfoot tonight. I'm sure he'll play "The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald". If he doesn't I'm asking for my money back! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:57 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: Off to see Gordon Lightfoot tonight. I'm sure he'll play "The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald". If he doesn't I'm asking for my money back! :wink:
Gordon Lightfoot! Great brings back memories. And did he played "The wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald", or "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" another favorite of me. He is great.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Gordon Lightfoot! Great brings back memories. And did he played "The wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald", or "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" another favorite of me. He is great.
He played both Allard. It was a pretty good show. He's one Canadian Icon I had never seen perform live before. The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald was the finale to his first set and the Railroad Trilogy was the finale for the show. One more item on the bucket list knocked off! ;-)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
Update: 3/4's through the side panels now. I flipped the 32 foot side panel by myself this morning to tape & glue the backside. I'm really glad I installed the electric winch! :idea:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I thought I was being smart and tried to glue and tape both sides of a seam at once. Result? Failure! :oops:

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This one was the worst from the bottom side. The others aren't as bad but I ground them out and will redo them tomorrow night just to be safe. This one is the worst from the top side.

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Do you think this one will be a problem or should I grind it out and start over as well? :doh: These are the side panels so I want them to be as near perfect as I can get.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:06 pm
by Cracker Larry
Grind it out and start over. That's what I would do with it anyway :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
All fixed. Slow and steady will win this race. :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:07 pm
by fodrega
Rick, sometime I`m doing two sides at the same day, when using peel ply, but small parts.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Rick, sometime I`m doing two sides at the same day, when using peel ply, but small parts.
Hey Fabio. Yeah I've done small parts both sides too. I don't think I got enough weight on these to compress the fiberglass. Anyhow almost all fixed. Slow and steady.

Temps in the high 20's C today so I added some ventilation to the shed. :cry:

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And if that's not 'nuff this lil' baby will blow a hurricane through the shed! 8O

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I think you owe us some new photos Fabio! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 1:52 am
by fodrega
I will do, I`m working under deck, making some tanks, installing the shaft, and making some new parts, a lot of work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You can tell it's warm in the shed when it looks like this!

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It was 25C outside and 35C inside. Not overly hot, yet, but the heat shrink plastic sags quite a bit. I don't think it'll be a problem. It tightens up as soon as the temp drops to about 70 or so.

I had to flip one of the long side panels. I made myself a trapeze to help spread the load on the lifting points. Makes handling the large panels a breeze.

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Time to start rolling out some fiberglass. This is the Vectorply I'm using on the bottom and sides.

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That's a lotta fiberglass! I guestimate there's 11 sq yds there in all. It's pretty heavy stuff so we're going to do a test tomorrow night to see how it wets out with the 9 oz satin weave that goes over top of it.

That's it for now. Supposed to be even warmer tomorrow. Shower time *scratch scratch* :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
I apologize for the terrible picture but I couldn't get it all in one frame. These are the side panels, all 32' 5" of them stacked neatly along the side of the shed. Yes the do protrude 5" beyond the end wall.

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As I stood back and looked at these panels after an hour of wrestling them into position, I realized they're upside down and will have to be flipped before they can go on the strongback. Doh! Not an easy task in such a tight space.

The next long panel to get laid up is the keel bottom. Pretty simple and no need to get overly fancy with the taping job so I just buttered up the butt ends and slopped on the tape & glue. This part will get covered with a whole lot of fiberglass later on so cosmetics aren't an issue.

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I wanted to do the sides of the keel but the shape is baffling me a bit with the hull extension. I think I'll have to figure out the extension when the keel sides are on the strongback. That'll be fun.

I was finished up work in the shed about 08:00 so I spent the next 3 hours polishing and shining the other assets in the fleet.

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The Jeep is a bugger to wash, there's so much of it! Spent Friday night and yesterday in the IROC at the car club meet and just touring around so it's back to boat building today.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Long panels are all done! Wohooo!

This is gonna be fun.........

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Jacques/Joel, just in case you haven't already been advised there's one piece missing from the kit. The very top part of Frame "B" is missing. I checked the nested drawing and it's not there so I'm assuming it got missed.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:37 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: Jacques/Joel, just in case you haven't already been advised there's one piece missing from the kit. The very top part of Frame "B" is missing. I checked the nested drawing and it's not there so I'm assuming it got missed.
I found the upper part of frame B on sheet H19. But you might have an other nesting drawing/cutting.

Nice to see those long panels, wait till you have put up the molds and placed the panels on them. Then for the first time you see the dimentions of your boat. For me that was amazing.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Think I found it. Had to scrounge through the scrap pile.

Allard, I think I'm already a bit overwhelmed by the scale of this thing. 8O That feeling hit hard last week when I was finishing up the long panels.

When I put up the strong back I won't have much room to work or the long table so I'm assembling the bulkheads now. The kit came with the windows already cut which limits my options a bit but I can live with it.

Decisions, decisions, decisions! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:43 pm
by gstanfield
The kit came with the windows already cut which limits my options a bit but I can live with it.
Not a limit. I'm assuming it also comes with the scraps left behind from cutting the windows and you have epoxy and glass so really, what's the problem? :wink: Make it yours :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:26 pm
by Hope2float
KB
Everything looks good. I like the shed. I'm in the middle of fairing a P-21. The only advice I can give you is to get in the right mind frame. The fairing of that size boat will wear you down. I feel like it never stops. Just take it steady and she will come together a bit at a time. Good luck
Dave

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:08 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks George & Dave. I appreciate the feedback.

I think I'll wait till the hull is flipped and then figure out the doors and windows George. It's still just a little too abstract to do it while it's still in pieces.

Dave, that boat is a monster too! ;-) I appreciate the tips on fairing. From what I've read it's a Zen thing to get into the right frame of mind. Maybe liquor will help too! :lol:

I'm assembling as much as I can of the larger panels. Once I tear the long table apart and setup the strongback I'll have absolutely no room to work on these things so it's now or never.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:47 pm
by vla
Rick,
Knottybuoyz wrote: Dave, that boat is a monster too! ;-) I appreciate the tips on fairing. From what I've read it's a Zen thing to get into the right frame of mind. Maybe liquor will help too! :lol:
Be carefull with liquor! It makes everything too smooth Image . Wash away the dust, ok.
Knottybuoyz wrote: I'm assembling as much as I can of the larger panels. Once I tear the long table apart and setup the strongback I'll have absolutely no room to work on these things so it's now or never.
When I saw the sheets while unpacking, I found it wonderful to recognize all the different parts from the drawings. But to see them complete on your workbench whole size, seems crazy.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I like smooth Allard! :wink: I'll try not to overdo it though. I generally get pretty stupid when I have a few under my belt.

Today was the first close to a full day I've put in on the boat. Well sorta.

This morning in the boat shed was pretty productive. I got two of the main frames laid up and glued.

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The one in the foreground is Frame C which forms the bulkhead between the v-berth and the head. The second one back is Frame F which is just behind the helm seating positions.

And waaaaaaaaaaaay down at the end is Frame E which forms the main cabin bulkhead forward just below the wind screens. E will be the biggest and hardest to handle. I have to do it in two parts and when finished it'll stretch from the bottom of the keel to the top of the cabin roof. This is Frame E. Not glued yet.

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I'm out of space and Frame E will have to wait till I get the others taped up.

Some shiny bits showed up today. I like shiny bits! Even if they are a lil' expensive. 8O

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Once I got done fondling the shiny bits I turned my attention to something that's been bugging me for awhile.

I have to say Mr. Yanmar makes a butt ugly control panel. I know I can do better. (that's the smartass in me coming out, cocky lil' pecker that I am!)

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So after an hour of measurin' and figurin' and some more measurin' and then some drawin' I think I got it now.

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I suppose I could have just put the measurements directly into the CAD program but what the heck, got out the ole' drawin' things and went old school on it. Now I can draw it in CAD and feel confident I got it right (I hope). I want to have a panel cut to match the electrical panel I did last winter.

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That's it. My back hurts.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
One of the things about building your own boat is you learn things, fast. For instance, epoxy and fiberglassing. So far the largest piece I've done is probably a seam that's 6" wide by 4' long. No big deal, you're mixing up maybe 3 oz of epoxy to do that seam. This lesson for us was about the ever increasing size, volume and cost if you screw up rules of epoxy and fiberglass. Although not HUGE it's still a couple of square yards. We got to a point last night were we decided to glass the lower part of Frame E. This is the main bulkhead between the engine room and the fwd cabin. This section will be pretty much hidden so we tried some of the really heavy fiberglass I have for the hull. It's a good chance to practice.

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I had to cut the glass from two different supplies. One on a roll I just bought recently and one that was folded in a box I bought a couple years ago. The folded stuff just wouldn't lay down (see pic above). The newer stuff laid right down and wetted out very easily.

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I used the peelply/release film and squeegee technique on this part. It'll save some sanding later on.

Up close both sections appear to be fully wetted out. We used about 1.75 litres of epoxy all together. It was very warm in the shed +30 degs C so we worked in small batches. After measuring and mixing (the Admiral did that part) we poured it into a paint roller pan to increase the area and keep it from kicking off to quickly. We used our StickyStuff dispenser with the static mixing nozzels and it worked perfectly! The plywood was coated first then the glass laid on top. Once that was thoroughly wetted out with a roller we placed the peelply over top of that and squeegee'd it out. Last step was the release film (in this case I used vacuum bagging plastic but will switch to cheaper plastic from now on). All the bubbles were squeegee'd out and this is the result.

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We'll find out how well we did tonight.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:47 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Nice work. The heavy glass will save a lot of work, we sometimes had 4 - 5 layers to do. The peel-ply is also a big time saver, especially on surfaces you need to fair. Why also a layer of release film? You will have to remove the peel ply anyway (which sometimes takes a little force ...).

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:Nice work. The heavy glass will save a lot of work, we sometimes had 4 - 5 layers to do. The peel-ply is also a big time saver, especially on surfaces you need to fair. Why also a layer of release film? You will have to remove the peel ply anyway (which sometimes takes a little force ...).
Hi Peter

I may have caused myself some more work in the long run. This is a failure.

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Just the section I couldn't get to lay down properly. I used the plastic film to help keep air from getting back in. I've used that technique on the butt joints and it works well. Once you squeegee out the bubbles the air can't work it's way back in. The heavy glass is too heavy. I probably didn't get enough epoxy on it or the plywood soaked it all up. The other side with the newer material is fine. Anyhow, not a big deal but now I won't be using it on the outside of the hull.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Men I'm sorry :cry: to see that, it looked fantastic with the peel on it, are you sure it is air and not just parts were the plastic came of the epoxy? In the earlier pic with the 70 and 72 battery's it just looked if the plastic film lifted from the epoxy :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Men I'm sorry :cry: to see that, it looked fantastic with the peel on it, are you sure it is air and not just parts were the plastic came of the epoxy? In the earlier pic with the 70 and 72 battery's it just looked if the plastic film lifted from the epoxy :doh:
Nope. Dry as a popcorn fart in a sand storm. :(

Looks like I'm going to get some more quality time with my grinder.

Lesson learned so it wasn't totally a waste.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:02 am
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: Nope. Dry as a popcorn fart in a sand storm. :(
:lol: :lol:At least you can joke about it

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Nope. Dry as a popcorn fart in a sand storm. :(
:lol: :lol:At least you can joke about it
Go ahead and say what you really thing Peter! :wink:

Wasn't it Einstein who said "it's a fine line between genius and insanity"? I'm pretty sure I have both feet well over the line. 8O

Anyway, the only thing is to just get over it and move on. Take the lesson learned to heart and hope you don't make the same mistake next time.

More seam taping. I know, exciting eh?

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More tomorrow, standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:45 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Nope. Dry as a popcorn fart in a sand storm. :(
:lol: :lol:At least you can joke about it
Go ahead and say what you really thing Peter! :wink:
I did say what I was thinking, I really am/was sorry for the thing not working out as it seemed like, and I'm happy this ain't stop you from joking, and go ahead jump into it and grind that sucker out! :wink: If it seems like I was saying something else I'm sorry that wasn't the case, keep building it's looking great!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:I did say what I was thinking :wink: If it seems like I was saying something else I'm sorry that wasn't the case, keep building it's looking great!
No I was just trying to be silly. Call me crazy if you like I don't mind. Everybody tells me I'm crazy to want to build my own boat anyways. What's that old proverb? Call a cat a dog long enough and it'll think it's a dog? :D

It's no big deal Peter. I'll fix it. That's the beauty of it I guess, don't like the results, just grind it to dust and start over. I'm sure there will be more lessons along the way, I just hope they don't cost too much! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:07 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: Everybody tells me I'm crazy to want to build my own boat anyways.
I think that's the story of our life, and I mean all boatbuilders life's on this forum :wink: I think there isn't a builder here whose, mom,dad ,friend,girlfriend,uncle,ant,son, daughter,nephew, cat ,dog, rabbit,squirrel, etc who didn't call him/her an idiot trying to build his/her own boat :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:02 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Everybody tells me I'm crazy to want to build my own boat anyways.
I think that's the story of our life, and I mean all boatbuilders life's on this forum :wink: I think there isn't a builder here whose, mom,dad ,friend,girlfriend,uncle,ant,son, daughter,nephew, cat ,dog, rabbit,squirrel, etc who didn't call him/her an idiot trying to build his/her own boat :P
All the ones you listed above started to change their tune this spring when we had two months of near uninterrupted rain! :) They were all dejected when I told them we're only taking ourselves and the cats when the flood comes! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, let's try this again.

This is the flipside of Frame E, the side that'll face into the head and v-berth. Cosmetics are a bit more of an issue here so we took our time and thought it through a bit more.

What I did this time....

I saturated the plywood and let it sit for a good 10-15 minutes
laid the cloth (17 oz this time) out and thoroughly soaked it with epoxy working from the center outwards
placed the peelply on top and again worked it from the center outwards

I had plenty of epoxy dripping from the edges this time. The peelply shows me where there are dry spots which I can easily go back and add some more epoxy. There weren't many this time. I decided to leave the plastic film off to see how it works without it. I guess that's just an old habit.

Port side, it's the opposite side here that caused the problems before. None this time. This side is also glassed up to bottom of the window frame because this is where the head/shower will be.

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Up close port side

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Stbd side, not one bubble in sight.

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Up close stbd side

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We'll pull the peelply off tomorrow and see how we did.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:43 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: It's no big deal Peter. I'll fix it. That's the beauty of it I guess, don't like the results, just grind it to dust and start over. I'm sure there will be more lessons along the way, I just hope they don't cost too much! :wink:
Rick,

One lesson I learned was to buy a real quality belt sander. If I remeber well, I saw an ornage B&D in one of your pictures. I have also such a B&D sander. They have one big problem, the front roller. That roller has a needle bearing, with just a little bit of dust there and the roll blocks. That is what happend with me. I've tried to take it apart, that went well, but putting it to gether again .... no that was not a succes.
Of course that happens when you finaly have set your mind and body to sanding. (That small front roller is very handy sanding fillets. And that's where I'm going to use it for.) Invest in a real belt sander, you have got more than a job/boat (TW XT!)for it.

Those frames looks great. I start that part after I've rolled the boat over.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Allard

I've noticed too that it's very hard to keep the belts inline on that kind of belt sander. I'm constantly adjusting it and if I don't it'll tear up the belt. I got it at the B&D factory (25 miles from here) sale for $20 so I can't complain. I'll keep my eye out for a better one. I've got a few more of these to do and I hope they all turn out like this one. I'll be one very happy camper. The lighter fabric is a lot easier to handle and wet out. The peelply is going to be a real time saver, the surface it leaves is fantastic.

At near 100 degs in the shed it didn't take long for the poxy to kick over and harden up.

Result? Absolutely flawless! :wink:

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Looking forward to seeing more of your project Allard.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:51 pm
by Daddy
Personally I have found very little use for a belt sander in this type of boat building. Much to easy to get gouges compared to the RO sander which delivers a swirl free finish and is much easier to control. Now that might just be me, sure don't have to adjust that front roller on a RO :P , much easier to change discs. I use my belt sander sitting upside down on my bench to sharper tools with a fine grit belt.
Just my .02 :D
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:04 pm
by peter-curacao
Daddy wrote:Personally I have found very little use for a belt sander in this type of boat building.
Today I was glad I had one, rounding of all the corners on my CC

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanders I got. The belt sander, 1/3 sheet RO, 5" RO electric and 5" RO pneumatic. Each has their use somewhere.

I use the belt sander to remove screw ups mostly. Right now I think there's a 40 grit belt on it which will rip a hole in a half inch sheet of plywood before you can say "Bob's your uncle"! :wink:

My son told me his shop teacher called belt sanders "weapons of mass destruction"! 8O

My favorite is the 5" RO pneumatic but I need a bigger compressor. :cry: I used to watch my Grandpa make Grandfather clocks with nothing more than a few planes and some hand sanding blocks. His work was museum quality too. He's probably rolling over in his grave knowing I'm using a belt sander on this project. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:58 pm
by Daddy
peter-curacao wrote:
Daddy wrote:Personally I have found very little use for a belt sander in this type of boat building.
Today I was glad I had one, rounding of all the corners on my CC
i realize it is a matter of personal choice but I find I have more control with the 6" RO, I would use a router to round those edges and a RO to clean up where it couldn't get the router. In the end it is whatever works best for you, I agree about the weapon of mass destruction for sure. Mine is a 4 x 24 and I sure can make a mess with it, the last time I used it on wood was a maple table top that needed to be refinished and it looked great until I put on the finish and then every place that I was careless stood out :oops: :oops:
BTW your project is coming along great Knotty, keep those pics coming
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Daddy wrote:, I would use a router to round those edges and a RO to clean up where it couldn't get the router.
Daddy
I thought about that but not one corner on my CC is 90 degrees, I don't know how to use my router when the corners are not 90 degrees :doh: also the radius of my biggest bit wasn't big enough, as a safety factor on the CC I like big radius corners.

Knotty sorry for this more or less of a highjack :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:16 am
by Daddy
Knotty sorry for this more or less of a highjack :oops:[/quote]

Me too :oops: , yes, that is a prob with using the router on anything but a 90 deg angle.. maybe we need a new thread on tools and their use?
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I got no problem with a lil' thread hijack once awhile fella's. This one's drifted in about as many directions as my ex-wife's libido so I don't mind! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:33 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: This one's drifted in about as many directions than my ex-wife's libido so I don't mind! :wink:
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
Update: Supplies received. Boatbuilding will begin again shortly. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
Supplies received so got back to the grind stone. This is Frame A. I wanted heavy glass on the fwd surface because this side will form part of the anchor locker. I used the same 33 oz/yd stuff that gave me problems before. This time I soaked the ply well and let it setup a bit. This stuff drinks up epoxy and you have to give it time to soak in thoroughly. Patience is essential. Looks like it might turn out ok this time.

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Frame B got a similar treatment on the below the waterline section.

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We'll see how it looks tomorrow after the peel ply comes off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
These are the two panels we did today. Pretty good results. The light spots are where it's just a little dry. It just appears to be in the very upper layer of the fiberglass. It's all firmly bonded to the plywood. You won't see these parts once the boat is assembled anyways.

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Frames C, D, E & F stacked up. Doesn't look like much right now but that was a helluva lotta work. :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sometimes having the best of tools doesn't guarantee a perfect job. The Admiral and I were glassing some more panels last night. The aft main bulkhead between the pilot house and the cockpit. It's an exposed part and I wanted it to come out nice. We followed the routine we've done for the others. Her dispensing the epoxy and me spreading it out. Using the Sticky Stuff dispenser this is pretty easy especially when you use one of the static mixing tubes. Just pump and go.

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Well last night the hardener reservoir (on the left) ran out. Lori didn't catch it and likely the last batch she pumped out was only resin (reservoir on the right) with no hardener. The hardener reservoir is opaque so there's no way to know how much is in it unless you look every once in awhile or the resin reservoir gets down low. They'd theoretically only be at the same level if you put exactly the 2:1 ratio into them in the first place.

So this morning when I went out to have a look there were horrendous bumps all over and as soon as I ran my hand over the peelply I knew we were in trouble. Sticky uncured epoxy resin everywhere. :cry:

So I did a google search and found a few things to try to salvage this part without having to strip it down (I'd likely cut two new pieces and start over from scratch). Right now I've tried brushing on some hardener and working it in with the bubble buster and left it to bake.

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If that works out I'll likely be able to salvage the part. The upper section above the windows and door have to come off. They were epoxied last and have no hardener in them at all.

So I've added a little reminder to anybody who uses Mr. Sticky Stuff to check constantly the levels in the tanks before pumping.

On a brighter note some more shiny stuff arrived today.

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I'm going to go fondle the new shiny stuff. Maybe that'll make me feel better! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:40 pm
by Cracker Larry
Nice anchor. What size is it?

All that blue light is weird, reminds me of being in a nightclub or something :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:16 pm
by Daddy
Viagra, I have heard tell, gives the same effect :D
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Nice anchor. What size is it?
22lbs.
Cracker Larry wrote:All that blue light is weird, reminds me of being in a nightclub or something :lol:
The stainless pole should arrive any day then the dancing girls can start too! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:Viagra, I have heard tell, gives the same effect :D
Viagra removes uncured epoxy? :doh:


:wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:44 pm
by Cracker Larry
Scared to try it, might have a heart attack 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:00 pm
by stickystuff
It will raise your hand 8) :cry: off the stickystuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well back to my lil' predicament with the uncured epoxy. The heat didn't seem to do much. I've tried scrubbing the sticky parts with Xylene and a scotch bright pad. Scrubbing the sh*t out of it then wiping it all down again seems to work ok. The xylene softens the cured epoxy too so you have to give it some time to harden up again. A light sanding after that and we're back on track. Just a lil' extra work. I'm going to introduce the Admiral to Mr. Sander and Sons tomorrow so she can learn The Art & Zen of Sanding! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:42 pm
by tobolamr
For those of us not in the know... One of Viagra's side effects is blue tinted vision.

Got my White car 11 years ago - bro-in-law to be says "Oh, it's light blue!" I replied "Dude! You need to lay off the Viagra!" He still hasn't figured that one out... :lol: :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This mornings session in the Big Blue Boat Shed went a little better than the other day. I flipped the panel and did a little sanding of the epoxy over flow and wiped it down. Laid out and cut the glass and peel ply.

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I've read some stuff, good reviews, of these rollers (Bestt Liebco Tru-Pro Frieze). Everything I've read they're supposed to be very good for epoxy and from this mornings session I definitely have to agree.

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I'd conservatively estimate I used 1/3 less epoxy on the same size panel using the same weight glass. The rollers allowed me to quickly and easily work the epoxy into the glass. Any puddles were easy to pick up and move elsewhere. The little nubbies on the rollers do their job quickly and efficiently. I'll give them Two Thumbs Up!

The results of this mornings labours, epoxy reservoirs filled and mixed properly is damn near perfect. (we'll see tomorrow when the peel ply comes off) but so far it looks really good!

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Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:26 pm
by fodrega
Hy Rick, I only put off the peel ply to glue the parts, and sometimes just the part where I´m going to put the tape, the peel ply is good to protect your parts.
Very good work, congratulations.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, I only put off the peel ply to glue the parts, and sometimes just the part where I´m going to put the tape, the peel ply is good to protect your parts.
Very good work, congratulations.
Thanks Fabio

I'd leave the peel ply on but I'm just so excited to see how it turned out I have to strip it off! :D

I think I'm going to fiberglass the cabin sides and then the cabin roof. Once those are out of the way I can setup the strongback.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thinking ahead is probably one of the most enjoyable parts of building your own boat. There's a million decisions to be made and each one can affect a half dozen others. I'm lucky in that I've been able to follow a few ongoing boat builds like this as well as a few finished models.

This morning I popped the troublesome frame off the long table and tucked it away. The next big task is the cabin sides. They curved so I had to lay out with some blocks so the panel would follow that curve.

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It took a good while, 30 mins or so to goop up the glass and get the peel ply on. It had started to kick off when I got all the way around so it was scramble time to get the peelply on and smoothed out.

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It's a good thing Boots showed up this morning to oversee operations. He immediately pointed out a mistake in my layout of the cabin side sliding door.

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I had the top of the door level with the tops of the other two windows. The top of the window in the door should have been level with the tops of the other windows. Nice catch Boots! You've earned your kibble this week! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Nothing to report boat building wise. Waiting for more fiberglass and epoxy. I burned through the last six gallons of epoxy in record time. Getting anxious for a boat ride and a lil' burned out from boat building stuff so I decided to blow the cob webs off the old boat and get her ready for a dunking. This will be her first time in the water in over two years. :? What's that number for Sea Tow again? :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:50 pm
by sds
Looking good kb.

I think boots warrants an extra ration of catnip.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
sds wrote:Looking good kb.

I think boots warrants an extra ration of catnip.
Thnx SDS

For a Tom Cat he doesn't go for catnip. The girls do. They fight over it.

Got our boat ride in! :D

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We had a lil' fire on this boat year before last and that kinda set me back a bit on boating. That and we did a quite a few things with the car club last year. I was a little apprehensive about taking her out but had to do it sooner or later. Boat worked perfectly.

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The one thing I'm going to miss going from this to a TW28 is the speed! :?

I apologize for the crappy pics but the Admiral was definitely enjoying herself. 8)

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The CCGS Griffon docked in Prescott Ontario. I worked on her in the fall of '78 as a deckhand then went to College for Marine Engineering. I returned to the Griffon in the fall of 1980 as a Steward and stayed on her till 1985. During my time on her I went from Steward to Storekeeper to Supply Officer.

I think we're going to take a bit more of a break from the boat building, save some money (hopefully) and do a little more boating this summer. Will probably be back to the boat mid August or so.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I just couldn't leave it alone!

Somethin' was buggin' me about the transom mold. Couldn't put my finger on it but something just wasn't right.

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It would have been easier if Frame I had been supplied as a solid part (or two) with the kit. As it's cut, like the remainder of the frames, there's nothing in the middle to attach the transom supports to.

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You can see here there's some sort of miscalculation of the mold parts. This is a solid 7/16" off the opposite side, which is perfect. Anyhow that can be fixed. Do I sand the curved mold part to match the transom supports?

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You can see the difference better here.

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Anyhow, I'll get this figured out. Those that have done it, did you laminate your two transom panels on the mold or wait till you had it on the strongback? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:31 pm
by vla
Rick,

It looks like my mold. I had the same problems. I did not sand the mold to fit, I filled up the quadrangular pieces to fit to the mold. I did not want to spoil the curve.
I laminated the to panels together. Took af the laminated panels after curing, then I placed the mold to the strongback and palced the transom back. Bit more work, but lighter, result good.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Allard.

Your project looks very good! At least it looks like a boat, maybe upside down, but a boat. Mine is still just a big pile of big pieces! :?

Keep up the good work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:17 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: Your project looks very good! At least it looks like a boat, maybe upside down, but a boat.
By the gray color of the boat she looks more like a stealth warship.
Knottybuoyz wrote:Mine is still just a big pile of big pieces! :?
Don't you worry, here it is a bigger pile of small pieces! You have already assembled all the frames etc. I have yet to do that job.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The pieces they are getting bigger. 8O

Strongback forms E & F being assembled.

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Forms G & H in the background already done.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Do you ever find yourself sitting in your workshop or boat or whatever just admiring your handiwork? I do that occasionally. I think it's just a guy thing. A couple hundred thousand years of evolution has programmed us to get an extreme sense of satisfaction from building things with our own two hands. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

"He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist." - St. Francis of Assis (1181-1226)

Anyhow, 'nuff of that naval gazin' stuff. This morning I got back to assembling the forms that'll go on the strongback. Three more done this morning, A, B & C. Only D and the duplicate F to do and they're done then I can seriously start thinking about setting up the strongback. I do have to decide if we're going to glass the cabin roof while the long table is set up. The only other thing that's standing in my way after that decision is made is to laminate the two transom panels.

Frame A gluing up.

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Same goes for frame D.

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Picked up one of two rolls of fiberglass that'll be used to cover the bottom and side panels. I'm still looking for some double bias 10 oz. 0/90 in 50" width.

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That's 'bout it for now. It's hotter 'n hell outside so I think a boat ride is in order. Have a good weekend.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:59 am
by fodrega
HY Rick, congratulations.


I do have to decide if we're going to glass the cabin roof while the long table is set up.


I glass the two sides of the roof. the down side on a long table, the other when the part is on its place.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:HY Rick, congratulations.
I glass the two sides of the roof. the down side on a long table, the other when the part is on its place.
Thanks Fabio.

I'm going to do that. Let gravity work for me instead of against it. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes, Greek Mathematician, 287 - 212 BC

"Give me enough clamps and ratchet straps which to place on it, and I shall stop the world from moving." - Rick Laporte, Amateur Boat Builder, 1960 -

See my other thread here.... http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26803

Again, thanks for all the ideas fella's. I really do appreciate it.

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Gotta clean the old boat up today. Got a potential buyer coming to see it this afternoon. Wish me luck. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
When all else fails, add more ratchet straps and clamps! Nothing subtle about this part of the project.

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That's both 1/2" sheets I put up for a dry run. I'll glue them tonight when it's cooler.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:10 pm
by vla
Rick,

Your transom looks quite similar to mine a few month ago.
The bending of the bow is about the same :lol:

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Allard

It wasn't that bad after all. Just get enough ratchet straps in the right place. It sprang back about 3/4" (18mm) on each side. I think I can live with that.

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Just seemed like a lot of fussing around over one part. Oh well, water under the bridge they say. Onto the cabin roof that needs to be stitched together.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:45 am
by Daddy
Not sure but would it be a good idea to keep that under some tension until you are ready to install it? After seeing that curved transom I wish I had done it on my Nina.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:Not sure but would it be a good idea to keep that under some tension until you are ready to install it? After seeing that curved transom I wish I had done it on my Nina.
Daddy
Good idea Daddy. The same thought crossed my mind. I can pop it back on the form while it's waiting for the strongback to be setup.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:52 pm
by Daddy
Thanks, otherwise I would have kept worrying and imagining it just creeping along until it was almost flat again :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:Thanks, otherwise I would have kept worrying and imagining it just creeping along until it was almost flat again :D
It can't do that. No way. You're yankin' my hawser Daddy! :wink:

Ray and Carlos were just here looking at our old boat to buy it. They'll hopefully get back to me tomorrow with cash in hand. Wish me luck and standby...... 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:06 pm
by gstanfield
Good luck on selling the old boat, but that'll mean you gotta work hard to finish this one 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Good luck on selling the old boat, but that'll mean you gotta work hard to finish this one 8)
Yes, that's true George. But the extra cash will go a long way to expediting the project too! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Yet 'nuther no show. :cry:

Guess things will take just a lil' while longer.

I learned one thing today. Your bilge fills up pretty quick when you forget to tighten the hose clamp on the circ water pump! :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
No boat building of late. Waiting on epoxy to arrive and the Admiral and I have been on a road trip through a good portion of the NE US picking up boat parts.

We drove for 8 hrs to get to Rhode Island to pick up a Tasco propane stove.

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For what I paid for this I'm expecting some Cordon Bleu dinners to come off of it! 8O

After leaving RI we stopped at Mystic Seaport. What a magical place that is! This is the second time we've been there and it continues to amaze!

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We then headed for Newark DE to pick up some tanks. Two diesel fuel tanks and two fresh water tanks. I know it's a crappy picture but they filled the trailer! 8)

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We decided to make this a road trip sort of holiday. What we saved by buying these in the States and picking them up more than paid for our little vacation.

After leaving Deleware we went to the National Air and Space Museum in Chantilly Virginia. If you're ever in the vicinity it's well worth an afternoon and the $15/car load to see this place.

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... ?start=all

Should be back in the boat shed this weekend. I've got 4 more weeks holidays and should have 'nuff materials and time to get the hull stitched together!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just got home and unloaded. Got tanks and a stove now.

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2300 kms (1430 miles) and 11 States in 4 1/2 days. It was a good trip. Now the fun and games are over. Back to boat building.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:49 pm
by gstanfield
looks like you came home with some nice stuff. That stove looks nicer than the one in my house and those tanks are HUGE!!


Good score, now back to building...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:58 pm
by wegcagle
I'm with George. That's alot of boat to hold those tanks/stove 8)

It sure is fun getting new toys,

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:59 pm
by vla
Hi Rick,

I'm curious about your experiences with the assembly of the hull. And it's almost time. I'm especially curious about how it goes with the middle section and how you will solve that. I think about it more often, no not worrying :wink: . I would just like Jacques writes in his building notes to fix the parts loosely, especially in that middle section. Then the panels follow a natural curve. Any gap should be filled with strips of wood.
I hope that someday soon you can sit on top of your keel! Do this only if the boat is in the workplace and not on rivers, lakes or seas.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:01 pm
by Rick
Some people will do anything to avoid sanding, won't they?

(Congratulations on the new stuff!)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Fella's. I got a chuckle outta that! :wink:

The tanks are 58 gal for fuel and 44 for water. I have two 31 gal tanks for black water already.

The fuel tanks will be a squeeze but if I recall they're very close to what Macca used. I'm expecting some really decent meals off of that stove. 8) Fresh muffins and biscuits every morning with my coffee! Yummy! :P

As to Allards post, I'm not exactly sure how it'll go when I get the long panels on the strongback. In a couple of weeks we'll know. The sides are all one piece at this point so there's not much I'll be able to do about them. The bottoms are in 4 parts right now. I'll join them on the strongback. I plan to take my time to get them as fair as possible and we'll see what we get. I'm more worried about the kerfs that were cut by the CnC on the wrong side of the panel. That's going to mean a lot of extra goop to fill them and fair them. You can see the error here....

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These should have been mirror images of one another. Instead I'll have kerfs on one panel on the inside and one on the outside (cosmetic).

Anyhow not a big deal, with 'nuff goop I'll be able to hide just about anything! :wink:

It'll float upright Allard you wise guy! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Lori & I glassed the underside of the main cabin roof yesterday. It took twice as long and used twice as much epoxy as I estimated. Doh!

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Only a few minor puddles and hardly any dry spots at all. We had to work it in really hard. A bubble buster on an extendable pole helped a lot. We used the Sticky Stuff dispenser with the static mixing nozzles again too. That also helped not having to mix epoxy as we worked. Temps were in the low 70's so we had plenty of working time. Next step is to flip this monster and tape the seam on the top. Once that's done I'll likely do the fwd cabin roof and fwd deck undersides.

I've also got to climb up on top of the shed and fix a few holes. I have one good size rip about a foot long near the back. The Dr. Shrink tape is apparently only good for about a year. Probably all the stretching & shrinking as the plastic heats and cools.

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That's 'bout it for now. Jeep is in the garage for new back brakes. *sigh*

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:10 pm
by Rick
Knottybuoyz wrote:I've also got to climb up on top of the shed and fix a few holes. I have one good size rip about a foot long near the back.
I thought the accepted practice was to get a really big tarp from the farm supply store and throw it over the old one. Keep repeating this until the shed collapses under the weight of all the tarps and then you will know the boat is finished!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rick wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:I've also got to climb up on top of the shed and fix a few holes. I have one good size rip about a foot long near the back.
I thought the accepted practice was to get a really big tarp from the farm supply store and throw it over the old one. Keep repeating this until the shed collapses under the weight of all the tarps and then you will know the boat is finished!
Ya know, I've thought of that. It may happen yet. I have 'nuff shrink wrap to do it all one more time if I have to. I'm going to get myself some "Gorilla Tape" and see how that holds up.

We just had a storm rip through and it sounded like a freight train was coming through. Probably 50-60 mph winds. Shed held up but I can see where the leaks are now! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
The last two panels that I have to glass will be ready tomorrow morning and then the long table can come apart.

These are the fwd cabin top and foredeck. Doing these now upside down on the long table will avoid having to do them later and working overhead. Glass laid out. I used up some more of the 33 oz stuff along the center of each. This is where there'll be cutouts for windlass and hatch etc. It'll be plenty strong (fingers crossed).

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All glassed and epoxied. It went a lot better this time. Temps in the shed were 20 degs C. which gives plenty of working time to mix and roll out single handed.

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I put some exaggerated curve into the panels to help them fit when they go on the forms. They'll spring back likely flat but some of the stress will be out of them when they go on.

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Just like the disassembly of the "Tower of Pain & Suffering" I'm really looking forward to taking the long table apart. I've been looking forward to setting up the strongback and forms so I'll at least have something that looks like a boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today was "clean up the cathedral" day! :wink:

First task was to trim and stow the panels you saw the other day. Now that they're out of the way it's time to disassemble the long table.

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Puzzle pieces for the strongback. I think I have everything I need. I'll re-read the instructions again tonight.

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It looks big and empty now but it'll get filled up pretty quick!

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That's it. I'm pooped, time for a nappy!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:28 pm
by wej
My 3-year old would refer to that as a "nappy-pooh" :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:13 am
by fodrega
Congratulations Rick, her parts looks great, after that, it will be the best part.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Congratulations Rick, her parts looks great, after that, it will be the best part.
Thnx Fabio. I hope it gets better. This strongback thing has me a lil' baffled but I'll figure it out. It was well over 90 degs (34C) in the shed this afternoon so I had to pack it in and cool off before I got much done.

I'm working directly on the ground which isn't very level so I have to plumb and level each of the 10 post blocks that'll support the strongback.

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Well at least I think I started out plumb and level. Next task was to square up the second post.

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My little laser level didn't have enough power to see in the daylight so I'll go out after dark and see how I did with just a framing square and spirit level.

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This is as far as I got before it got too hot and I had to bug out to get cooled off.

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Hopefully tomorrow I'll get the verticals up ready to attached the forms.

The project supervisor pestered me constantly this morning so if there's any mistakes made it's his fault!

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That's it for now. Time for a cool beverage. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:01 pm
by D2Maine
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:08 pm
by wej
I agree with D2, I once took a sledge hammer to a Dewalt laser that got a footing off an extreme amount.

Note: Dewalt has a plastic housing and as the sun moves different parts get hot and others cool is what i finally came up with.

Never trust 1 laser...... now i set up 2 at different heights when i must use them. :? :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:19 pm
by Daddy
Foolproof device: forty feet of 1/4" clear plastic tubing filled with colored water.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I've got access to my brother's Spectra L500C precision laser. It's accurate to 1/6" @100 ft. He uses it for landscaping and paving so I'm sure it's reliable. Pretty sure I have some clear plastic tube too. After all the stories about cheap lasers, which mine is, I better err on the side of caution.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:46 pm
by Cracker Larry
Foolproof device: forty feet of 1/4" clear plastic tubing filled with colored water.
Daddy
Second that. Water will always be level.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I ended up putting my faith in my trusty spirit level. I went around and around and checked level every which way from Sunday. It all appears good. I checked my diagonals and all's square then I took a break and checked my diagonals again. Maybe I'll check them one more time like the instructions say! :wink:

I'm going to use my laser level. My brother's out on a job using his. I've got it setup on the center line and level with the B/L cut into the forms. I'll verify with a water level as I go just to be sure.

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The first one (Frame A) is up, plumb and level. I spent some extra time on this one getting it right.

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I'll start moving down the strongback adding the vertical's and set the forms in place till I can get some help.

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I'm hoping to have everything in place by the weekend.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:39 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: I'm hoping to have everything in place by the weekend.
Can you wait that long, and still sleep well?

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Can you wait that long, and still sleep well?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to Allard. I'm going to need an extra pair of hands to get the forms up. My helper isn't available till Saturday.

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I threw Frame E up to see how it looked, couldn't wait! 8O

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What space I had to work around the boat is going to disappear fast. I'll have 2' on the far side and about 3 feet on the workbench side. It can be done I'm sure. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:26 pm
by Farmer Ray
Great progress! You will have more room when tha pieces of the boat are the boat. I am watching closely. I will order the plywood this week. I'm eager to get started.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Farmer Ray wrote:Great progress! You will have more room when tha pieces of the boat are the boat. I am watching closely. I will order the plywood this week. I'm eager to get started.
Good luck Ray. Start a thread and we'll all help out where we can. Post plenty of pictures, saves typing! :wink:

Are you going to cut all the parts yourself?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Oh boy! 8O

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:21 pm
by gstanfield
:D she's a big girl 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:22 pm
by wegcagle
I think you're gonna need a bigger tent 8O Nice work so far.

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:22 pm
by Farmer Ray
Big, eh? I's gonna be tight in there for a while! Looks good, keep up the good work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:59 pm
by vla
Oh, what does this looks familiar to me, only not the color of all the pictures! Seven months ago, the Stoere meid looks the same way. This is really exciting for you. If you have placed the side panels and bottom panels, it's time for a pleasant drink that I can assure you! And that moment is closer than you might think. I remember that when I had the side and bottom panels in place, I walked around the boat for an hour or so, just admiring her shape and size. Drinking a few glasses of a nice wine. Keep up the good work going, you have a good weekend.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:28 pm
by wej
I'd give it 2 thumbs up!!! Nice!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:24 pm
by Flat Fish
That is looking good. I've got about 2' on each side of mine and it works, but she's just a tad smaller.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words fella's. The encouragement helps a lot.

She is going to be a big girl, 39" longer than a standard TW28. I only hope I got my math right, or should I say, I hope AutoCad got the math right.

Moving the long panels onto the strongback is going to be problematic. Firstly I stored them upside down so they have to be flipped before they're laid on the strongback and secondly they're over 32' long! :?

Standby, this is gonna be fun! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:38 am
by Cracker Larry
Standing by in awe 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:11 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Standing by in awe 8O
I stand in awe of your craftsmanship Larry. I've learned a lot following your projects. I only hope I can do half as good a job as you've done. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
It's a lot easier to be a craftsman when the panels are somewhat less than 32' long :help: Wow, and working in the blue greenhouse too 8O I'm in awe of anyone who has built a small boat and still willing to tackle a project like that. Dang. I'm just watching :D

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:It's a lot easier to be a craftsman when the panels are somewhat less that 32' long :help: Wow, and working in the blue greenhouse too 8O I'm in awe of anyone who has built a small boat and still willing to tackle a project like that. Dang. I'm just watching :D

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Thanks Larry. I hope I don't embarrass myself too much!

Didn't get home till 3:30 AM and slept half the day away so all I could do today was install some longitudinal stiffeners along the tops of the forms. I found quite a few were out as much as an inch because of the twists & bows in the 2x3 verticals.

Measured what will be LOD and it's almost exactly 31' 3" or 9.56 meters. Beam is the same as designed.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:17 am
by chicagoross
Way to go, Rick! Thata's my project for this week too, though not quite on that scale! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:40 am
by Rick
Cracker Larry wrote:I'm in awe of anyone who has built a small boat and still willing to tackle a project like that.
Somewhere in the galleries is one of the big boats (I think it's a TW28) that has just been flipped. It's a shot of the vast empty hull with someone standing in it. I pictured myself standing there holding my 5-inch Porter-Cable sander and I started to cry. And you made yours BIGGER! Godspeed, Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
Update: It's been a week since I posted anything, not much happening in the boat shed though. Just some cleaning and organizing. We're going to lay the bottom and keel panels tomorrow and have a bunch of friends coming over to celebrate. It's tougher work planning and organizing (and paying for) a party than building the freakin' boat! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rick wrote:
Cracker Larry wrote:I'm in awe of anyone who has built a small boat and still willing to tackle a project like that.
Somewhere in the galleries is one of the big boats (I think it's a TW28) that has just been flipped. It's a shot of the vast empty hull with someone standing in it. I pictured myself standing there holding my 5-inch Porter-Cable sander and I started to cry. And you made yours BIGGER! Godspeed, Rick.
I always like this one of Peter and his wife glassing the inside.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:02 am
by TheBroomside
Rick wrote:I always like this one of Peter and his wife glassing the inside.
Actually Erik and his wife Lut( hence Luka, my wife's name is Katrien).

I guess Erik and I can live with being confounded, but the wifes, thats something different :)

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:
Rick wrote:I always like this one of Peter and his wife glassing the inside.
Actually Erik and his wife Lut( hence Luka, my wife's name is Katrien).

I guess Erik and I can live with being confounded, but the wifes, thats something different :)
Sorry, my mistake. I get confused with so many TW28's being built at once. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:01 am
by Knottybuoyz
Keel Laying Day

Throwing a party with some friends. Pics to follow. Standby.....

PS. Prayers for those in Irene's path. I hope she peters out and you're all safe & Sound.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:37 pm
by gstanfield
:D Very cool :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
A good friend, Ray Martin, stopped in to celebrate with us yesterday. Ray is one of the most talented chef's I've ever had the pleasure of working with. He "tossed" this lil' edible arrangement together for us.

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Words can't express how grateful we are to everyone that came. :-)

Anyone for leftovers? :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:53 pm
by FloatingTurtle
This is really serious. If you have that kind of feast every time you have helpers along, this is going to cost some serious money in food. And in time lost washing the dishes!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
FloatingTurtle wrote:This is really serious. If you have that kind of feast every time you have helpers along, this is going to cost some serious money in food. And in time lost washing the dishes!
I don't even buy them beer the deadbeats! :wink: This was a one-time deal and no dishes were harmed in any way. I had to go buy another recycle box though. :cry:

Come to think of it there'll likely be another party when this thing hits the water! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
Party is over. Time to get back to work! :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Two parts of port side bottom panel being glued together.

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It's going to be trickier doing the other side.

I was standing on a 5 gal bucket and still couldn't see the bow! :?

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That's it for today. More of the same tomorrow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:53 pm
by vla
Oh, this is big! This is realy big!
It must be exciting to see your ship life size.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Oh, this is big! This is realy big!
It must be exciting to see your ship life size.
It's a bit daunting some times. I just sit and wonder "what the heck have I gotten myself into!" 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:04 pm
by FloatingTurtle
Use the chicagoross philosophy. Baby steps. You know you can do a marathon with baby steps. Just going to take a tad longer.

I hope you have a strong heart. The day you will finish the boat and take it out of the blue shed, you might get an attack by seeing that after all, the boat is not all blue!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
FloatingTurtle wrote:Use the chicagoross philosophy. Baby steps. You know you can do a marathon with baby steps. Just going to take a tad longer.

I hope you have a strong heart. The day you will finish the boat and take it out of the blue shed, you might get an attack by seeing that after all, the boat is not all blue!
This whole project has been baby steps FT. Working in such a tight space there's no other way. Glue a joint, wait 24 hrs. Glue another joint, wait 'nuther 24 hrs. yadda yadda yadda.

The hull will be dark blue. The Admiral has issued that order fairly early on when we bought the seats. :wink:

The second set of bottom panels went up slick as ...... Maybe I'm just getting the hang of it.

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Alignment on the stern was perfect. Bow needs a little adjustment which will have to wait till this afternoon.

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This girl is starting to show her true size. :-) It's getting hard to get around her and get any pics that show anything of interest.

The glue and tape job on the bottom panels I did yesterday didn't turn out as well as I had hoped. I see using quite a bit of epoxy filler in this area. :-( I'll try to do a better job on the other side. It's a little more difficult working up in the air, maybe I should have stitched them together when I had the long table. Oh well, hind sight is always 20/20 eh?

More later.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:58 pm
by chicagoross
The hull will be dark blue
:doh: Everything's already blue! :D My kids have requested blue hull on my build this time also, although being in the tropics will need to be a lighter blue.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:49 am
by fodrega
Here, Brazil, all the girls are excited, how big is it?
Congratulations,

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Here, Brazil, all the girls are excited, how big is it?
Congratulations,
Measured from the tip of the bow mold to the top of the transom it'll be 31' 3" or 9.56 meters. Beam is the same as designed.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
The two bottom panels are now one.

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I had to stand on tippy toes on the ladder to even see this much.

I've been battering and bruising my shins on the strongback and step ladders for a month now. Finally smartened up and got myself a cheap pair of shin pads. 8)

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My friend Peter is launching his Bolger Windemere (Estuary Cruiser) he's built tomorrow so there likely won't be any work done till Saturday.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:44 am
by Daddy
Wow, Bolger did some real pretty stuff, that boat will be a classic. Love to see more of it, does he have a blog or website?
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
Daddy wrote:Wow, Bolger did some real pretty stuff, that boat will be a classic. Love to see more of it, does he have a blog or website?
Daddy
It'll take you a week or so to read the whole thing. Just skip through the nonsense and concentrate on the posts with pictures. :wink:

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread. ... -of-it-%29

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:15 am
by gstanfield
I missed the news that Peter is launching already, that's great :D Bolger did have some really neat designs as well as some really ugly ones too. I've always been kinda partial to the sneakeasy myself and have intentions of building one someday 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:I missed the news that Peter is launching already, that's great :D Bolger did have some really neat designs as well as some really ugly ones too. I've always been kinda partial to the sneakeasy myself and have intentions of building one someday 8)
It's a done deal now George.

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... ?start=all

Was a good day, long and hot. I'm glad I stuck it out till the end and saw it in the water. It'll be my turn one day.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:30 pm
by Daddy
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Daddy wrote:Wow, Bolger did some real pretty stuff, that boat will be a classic. Love to see more of it, does he have a blog or website?
Daddy
It'll take you a week or so to read the whole thing. Just skip through the nonsense and concentrate on the posts with pictures. :wink:

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread. ... -of-it-%29
Absolutely fantastic build. I can not imagine the amount of mahogany that he has used on that boat and it must weigh tons compared to the method of construction we use. I got up to about page 26 reading off and on today, mainly looking at the pics and reading very little of the commentary. Very amusing fellow, very creative. Lots of interesting helpers too. Especailly liked the scene where Master Bates herded all of the beer bottles into the empty six pack. Boat building must get boring from time to time! I will continue to read off and on and am curious, nay, certain, that it sat well down on its lines. :D
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Kinda felt like "Jonah inside the whale" when I took this shot! :)

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Got help coming tomorrow to hang the second side panel. It has to be wrestled outside, flipped, then brought back inside on the opposite side of the boat. It'll be tough but I think 4 of us can handle it. It's not that heave, 150 lbs maybe but it's floppy and wants to go where it wants to go.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:47 pm
by vla
Those big panels are very floppy. I remember when I did mine. I have done it alone but I have more room around the boat.
So with some help that bigger panel is done in minutes.
Its wonderfull to see the hull taking shape.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You know what they say about there always being two sides to every story? Well it's true! :wink:

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Had a lil' help from my brother, wife and buddy Tim. We got her done in 5 mins what took me 2 hrs the day before doing the other side. Many hands make light work!

I didn't know if we were going to make it today though, a storm ripped through here this morning and I thought a freight train was coming right through the shed! 8O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UEOK0xkqKk

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:13 pm
by sds
For all the noise, from here it looks like the shed is pretty solid. The plastic is hardly rippling.

The color balance for photography looks much better with the artificial light vs. the blue filtered sunlight.

Keep up the good work!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:51 pm
by vla
And? How looks that bathtub from below?
Don't you feel that you should use a VHF radio to communicate with the admiral on the bow when the boat is ready?

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
sds wrote:For all the noise, from here it looks like the shed is pretty solid. The plastic is hardly rippling.

The color balance for photography looks much better with the artificial light vs. the blue filtered sunlight.

Keep up the good work!
Thnx for looking in. It was blowing pretty hard, probably 40 kts. The shed moves a lot in the wind. I guess it didn't translate all that well on the video. I was more looking for leaks! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:And? How looks that bathtub from below?
You feel like Johah inside the whale's belly! 8O I had to rig up another set of lights inside it was so dark with the panels on. Had to take a break from it today but will be back at it tomorrow getting the panels lined up to be stitched.
vla wrote:Don't you feel that you should use a VHF radio to communicate with the admiral on the bow when the boat is ready?
You're a funny guy Allard! :wink: Yes we have a set of radio's. I used them from the shed to the house to order my lunch! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:21 pm
by gstanfield
Wimpy Canadian storms can't even blow over a big tent :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Wimpy Canadian storms can't even blow over a big tent :wink:
Just like everything I do George it's a lil' overbuilt. :wink:

Stbd side panel got stitched.

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I'm about to go over and do the same to the port side. Should I glue these sections before I try to warp the panels into the bow shape?

I don't know who posted this trick but it seems to work at keeping the panels lined up properly.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:30 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: I'm about to go over and do the same to the port side. Should I glue these sections before I try to warp the panels into the bow shape?
I should not do that. Maybe you can get the bow shaped the first time, but if you have to adjust everything a little, you have to cut/sand everting loose.
The panels must "float" as Jacques writes in his building notes.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:The panels must "float" as Jacques writes in his building notes.
It will never float with all the holes I just drilled in it Allard! :lol:

I don't see much of the panels floating on the forms. They seem really tight. I've got the sides snugged down and am stitching the port side now. I've got them stitched from the stern up to about Frame D where the panels start to curve down to meet the sides.

When you strapped the panels to pull them into shape did you attach your straps to the strongback? I have them on the side panels now but that's not working, it's pulling the sides up too far. I'm going to go over all the photos tonight to see if there's any clues there on the best way to do it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:24 am
by vla
[quote="KnottybuoyzWhen you strapped the panels to pull them into shape did you attach your straps to the strongback? I have them on the side panels now but that's not working, it's pulling the sides up too far. I'm going to go over all the photos tonight to see if there's any clues there on the best way to do it.[/quote]

Yes, I had the straps attached to the strongback, especially for the bottompanels. I had the straps for the bottompanels between the side- and the bottompanels. The tension on those straps was high.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:13 pm
by colinhart
I used a number of 5 ton cargo straps over the boat and these were attached to the strong back these pulled the bow bottom plates down onto the frames and then used other straps to pull the two side panels together at the bow, I also screwed through the panels to blocks on the frame. it was scary stuff the tension was horrendous. Once I had tabbed the panels together I took the screws out and the slight depression they made disappeared. I didn't use a lot but I did have problems gettting the panels to sit on the frames at the bow end and at the finish the was still about an inch gap between the panels and frame at frames c and d.
Good luck Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the tip Colin. I'll either screw the bottom panels down or use some zip ties. Maybe both! :wink:

Inside the belly of the beast!

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Didn't get much done tonight. Goin' back to work after 5 weeks holidays is tough! I need a nap! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:40 am
by fodrega
don't know who posted this trick but it seems to work at keeping the panels lined up properly.

Hy Rick, I did this and I don´t think is a good idea.

Put more straps where you need more tension and put some power, next day more, and after tree days It will be ok.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the tips Fabio. I'll try it both ways.

Safety Notice: Five Gallon Plastic Pails are no substitute for a step ladder.

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I don't think anything's broken. Just swollen and sore as hell. Whacked my head and bit my tongue too! Doh!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:42 pm
by Farmer Ray
What was it you said about a little sweat and a little blood?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:54 pm
by FloatingTurtle
Ouch. Slap some fiberglass (I wouldn't know if fabric, biaxial tape or whatever would be best though) and some expoxy on the wound. Let cure for recommended time. Fair and paint if desired. I hear you can repair anything like that.

Seriously, happy that it's not serious. And good thing this incident is not covered by the "safety at work comission of Quebec" (CSST), you have no idea about all the bureaucracy this would create (investigation, report, meetings, corrective actions, revised safety standards, widespread training...).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
FloatingTurtle wrote:Seriously, happy that it's not serious. And good thing this incident is not covered by the "safety at work comission of Quebec" (CSST), you have no idea about all the bureaucracy this would create (investigation, report, meetings, corrective actions, revised safety standards, widespread training...).
The Project Manager is still trying to wrap his head around all the paper work that's gotta be done for the OHSA report. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:34 am
by vla
Well Rick,

It's not a boat you've built till you've sworn at it, sweated over it, bled on it and cried beside it" - I just made that up!

Familiar?
Now you can tick the bleeding :)
If their is blood on the boat, you have left your DNA on the boat for ever. So no questions over the ownership.
I hope you get well soon and that the wound doesn't disturb the progress.

BTW, My DNA is on voluntary too on the Stoere Meid. I did it with a power drill :cry: , Also very nicce.


Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I tried to get some work done tonight. No go. Gonna be a few more days of healing I think which sucks. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
Some light duties in the boat shed tonight.

Someone suggested I use two barrels and a plank to help prevent the lil' accident I had last week. For some reason I don't see how using two buckets is gonna help! ;-)

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You know what I always say? "Safety First!" Ayup, that's what I always say! ;-) I'm thinkin' this will help me keep to that! It's nice and light and just the right size for working under the hull. I'm sure Lori will approve!

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One of the butt joints on the side panels broke when I bent it around the forward forms so tonight I ground the fiberglass off of it and reglassed and glued it.

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Once this is set up I'll get back to stitching panels together. I hope to get the transom stitched and the bow bent into shape and stitched this weekend if my wrist cooperates.

That's it for now. Tomorrow is the last car club meet of the year so there won't be any boat building stuff posted till Saturday. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:43 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Glad you are back at work.

Out of curiosity, was the joint that gave away glassed at both sides? I have always been amazed by the strengths of thes joInts.
Would you have any pictures showing the 'lengthened part of your hull, I think this is one of the very exciting aspects of your build?

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:Glad you are back at work.
Thank you Peter. I still hurts quite a bit. Not much strength in that hand yet but I'll tough through it. Nobody else is going to build this boat for me right?
TheBroomside wrote:Out of curiosity, was the joint that gave away glassed at both sides? I have always been amazed by the strengths of thes joInts.
The joint that failed was glassed on both sides. I had man handled these long panels quite a bit and I'm surprised I only had one joint that failed. Only half of it really. They are incredibly strong panels though but at 32' long it was pretty floppy! 8O
TheBroomside wrote:Would you have any pictures showing the 'lengthened part of your hull, I think this is one of the very exciting aspects of your build?
It's so big and the shed so small it's really hard to get a picture. This one shows the spliced in extension (39") and is probably as good a photo as I will get.

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You can also pick out the extension here, it's the shorter of the bottom panels.

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You can just catch a glimpse of the extension to one bottom panel in this photo. It's just above plastic jugs #5 & #6!

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Here you can see the cabin side extension that will accommodate the sliding wheelhouse door.

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The main cabin roof was also extended 87" to adjust for the hull/cabin extension and to add a hard top to the cockpit.

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You can see all the pics I've taken here. http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff16 ... ?start=all

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:19 pm
by vla
Rick,

These pictures largely satisfy my curiosity about how the extension of your boat will look like. I'm impressed!
I am also happy to read that your wrist is not stopping the build of the boat.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:These pictures largely satisfy my curiosity about how the extension of your boat will look like. I'm impressed!
There are days, like today, I have my doubts about deviating from the plan. Five hours of screwing around and very little to show for it. :cry:
vla wrote:I am also happy to read that your wrist is not stopping the build of the boat.
Thnx Allard. Still stiff and aches a lot. Getting better every day.

I need advice from you and the other TW28 builders. I'm trying to stitch down the bow section, which you know is pretty tough. I've run into this little situation.

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You can see the bottom panel on the far side has ridden up over the near side. I've been able to pry it back into alignment but as soon as I try to tighten the stitches it pops back overlapping again. I can't seem to get it and keep it lined up perfectly. Do I just stitch the bow down and deal with it later? I might be able to pry it into alignment from underneath once the bow is stitched up. Does that make any sense?

Another view.

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PS. Yes you're seeing the kerfs on the outside of the panel. This is the way it was cut on the CnC machine. I had no other choice unless I wanted to cut two new sheets myself.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:53 pm
by gstanfield
put a small section of PVC pipe on the inside so that as you tighten the stitches the pipe is forced into the seam. This will help spread the pasnels and keep the small gap you need while preventing the panel overlap.

Did that make sense? I don't have any pics right now, but I might be able to dig some up later

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:02 pm
by steve292
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There you go,you can see the spacers along the keel line. I used copper pipe, because thats what I had to hand.
Lokking good, keep on 8)
Steve

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You mean like this George?

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I can't get anything in there because the bow form is in the way. I'm going to try to stitch one side to the bow form so it won't move then see what happens! :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:09 pm
by gstanfield
ahh, didn't think about the bow form :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:11 pm
by gstanfield
would it work to drive some nails or screws into the bow form letting them stick up between the panels. This would give a solid center reference and prevent the overlap while still keeping a gap the thickness of the nails (or screws)

Just thinking out loud here, maybe overthinking it

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:59 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

If you look carefully at this picture, you can see we used square pieces of batten between the zip ties at the ouside to align the panels. The square pieces just fit between the ends of the panels.
I remember it was not easy to align them, it did work for us.

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Good luck,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:18 pm
by cali123
If I am understanding this right, why couldn't you use a small square block under the stitch to exert some downward pressure on the deck panel? If you want to keep a gap, you could put some nails through the block. This would also help to keep the block in place. :idea:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:23 pm
by vla
I had the same problem. What I did was put a piece of plywood ( 12 mm by 12 mm) and placed it in the V-groove under the stiches (pull tight), and worked with a chisel the plates in position so that the V-groove sat properly. Like you I had to work from the out side. Than I spot welded the sheets with some epoxy and fg tape. In case my English is clear as mud, a fantastic drawing!
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I hope this is clear.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:25 pm
by icelikkilinc
I used temp screws.. was the easiest way

after epoxy cured, pull them back and re fill

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:26 pm
by vla
How about that! Three similar answers within a few minutes! Excuse me
four answers. :wink:
Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:How about that! Three similar answers within a few minutes! Excuse me
four answers. :wink:
Allard
Wow! I'm impressed. I didn't expect any suggestions till next weekend! 8)

I'm going to give all the suggestions a try, tomorrow. For now I've just cranked the panels down to see if they'll ease into their bends little. Probably won't but what the heck, sounds like I know what I'm doing! :?

Looking fwd from way up on high!

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You can really see the section of bottom panels for the extension in that shot.

Looking aft.

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Baby steps but it was some progress.

Thanks for all the suggestions fella's. I'll give it my best shot tomorrow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote:I used temp screws.. was the easiest way

after epoxy cured, pull them back and re fill
Did you screw them right into the form or put blocks underneath. I haven't had any luck putting blocks underneath to screw into. They all seam to split apart.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Image
I hope this is clear.
Perfectly clear Allard, many thanks. I think I'll print that drawing and hang it in the boat shed! :) It's not the Louvre but it's just as honorable. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:36 pm
by chicagoross
That was the same problem I had with the round transom on the MM21 last week. I removed the transom form so that I could get the dowels in there, problem solved. Took a lot of time. Wish I had seen this last week with the trick using the external spacers! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:09 pm
by Rick
I had a similar problem with the bow of a big canoe we built. I ended up putting slim sticks in the gap, bending them to one side to lever the panels over, and then tied them in place with twine. The sticks acted as levers to push the overlapping side back while I tacked the panels together. Of course your TW28 is just a little bigger than my 17-1/2 foot canoe. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Strapped
Screwed
Blocked
Beaten
Pried
Bent
Tugged and.......

Whipped into submission! 8O

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My pry bar is still in there somewhere with a chisel too! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:46 pm
by Farmer Ray
I knew you could do it ! Looking good! It must look huge! Keep up the good work, and keep posting!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:02 pm
by wej
YAY!!! glad you got it just where you wanted it! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:30 pm
by chicagoross
Way to go! Mission accomplished! :D I also find that bending the panels as much as you can, then coming back the next day after they take a bit of set and get used to their new bend helps.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:33 am
by icelikkilinc
Knottybuoyz wrote:
icelikkilinc wrote:I used temp screws.. was the easiest way

after epoxy cured, pull them back and re fill
Did you screw them right into the form or put blocks underneath. I haven't had any luck putting blocks underneath to screw into. They all seam to split apart.
right into the form but let them float a bit as Jacques suggested.. and because of the tension I was able to do just so

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:08 am
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:My pry bar is still in there somewhere with a chisel too! :?
You don't need them for the time being. Job is done.
Good work by the way :D

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
Back at this boat building stuff after a lil' break.

Yesterday's session involved mixing up too much epoxy glop and having it go to waste. Just couldn't get it on the boat quick 'nuff. Next time, smaller batches. We learn as we go.

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The transom went up amazingly easy compared to the bow.

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I'll be gluing the side to the bottom panels this afternoon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
Boots was nowhere around last night so I had to press the Admiral into action. She mixed the glue and filled the kerfs & seams while I supervised. I always say "teamwork is good work". Ayup, that's what I always say! :)

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I gotta tell ya, she was all business. Look at that concentration! :wink:

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The kerfs on the outside of the panel are a PITA. There's a hump, just off to the left of the picture above, where it didn't quite bend correctly. Not a big deal, I think I'll stick the bow thruster tube in there! :wink:

Keel sides and seam taping this weekend.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:26 pm
by vla
Good to see an admiral do some real manual labor :) , not only managing the operation from their desk.
Question: What doe the abbreviation PITA stands for?
I filled the kerfs ( and all the seams and fillets too) with the help of disposible pastry bags. You kan cut of the tip and adjust the amount of glue in that way, works perfect. They are better that regular plastic bags, because of the shape of the bag.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:41 pm
by Cracker Larry
PITA = pain in the @ss :lol:

I sure admire yalls commitment on these big boats 8O Watching in awe.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:59 pm
by rick berrey
You,ll have to give her a ride when your finished. Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
rick berrey wrote:You,ll have to give her a ride when your finished. Rick
I just don't know what to respond to that statement Rick! :wink:

I'm going to look for some disposable pastry bags Allard. I've ripped open a few of the plastic zip bags on the fiberglass tape and it makes a mess. I try to get the Admiral out there as much as possible. She'll be doing all the interior decorating, upholstery, curtains and canvas work so it's a joint effort for sure.

Thanks Larry. It helps to have encouragement from you guys. Appreciate it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
There's some jobs that I've enjoyed so much I decided, well, the boat decided, I had better do again!

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It went off like a shotgun! KaBoom! Scared the crap outta me. I was just getting ready to fill the last few holes before I sanded down the seams for taping. Ah Shit!

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You can see where it was the glue that mostly broke and it only pulled away from the plywood in a few places. I guess that's good, the glue is doing it's job.

So from there it was back to the belt sander, grinder, jig saw and drill to get ready to strap & stitch the panels back together. Guess I'll be leaving some stitches in right to the taping to ensure this doesn't happen again. Sucks too 'cause it's getting colder and takes the epoxy forever to kick off.

Back to the drawing board. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:08 pm
by vla
Ouch, that was the bow!
I did some spots with fg tape when glueing. Just to avoid this

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Ouch, that was the bow!
I did some spots with fg tape when glueing. Just to avoid this
Live and learn I guess. Lots of tension in those panels. Guess I just under estimated that a bit. Only 10 Degs C here today so no epoxy work. If Mother Nature doesn't warm up us up a bit that'll pretty much be the end of boat building till spring.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:57 pm
by Farmer Ray
Sorry to hear of your setback. It's an amazing process though. You can fix anything with this system. Sorry to hear that it is cooling too much for epoxy. Opposite problems here, Still around 100F here. The ten day forcast says 80's within a week of so.
Mabe we can get started soon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:21 pm
by Daddy
Me too, Nina's bow required a wicked lot of pressure to get it to come together and I taped between ties. Problem with that was it required a lot more fairing but it held. It went something like this: Tie, round off between ties, tape between ties, cut ties, round off where ties were, tape between tape, fair, then longitudinal biax. PITA, but worth it.
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
I think I'm going to follow your lead there Daddy.

All stitched back up and nowhere to go (I hope)!

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Got the heat on in the shed and should be warm 'nuff to do some gluin' this afternoon. Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:12 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:All stitched back up and nowhere to go (I hope)!
This time it will work, I'm sure. Despite that, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:01 pm
by Daddy
You can see bits of the tape on Mullett Chockers Nina in this pic.
http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage ... =763&pos=7
Daddy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Not my neatest work but I won't be springing any more panels after this cures. :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spent many quality hours with Mr. Belt Sander this weekend and got the chines taped.

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If you look close in the second pic you can see the flat spot where the spliced in extension is. This will disappear during the fairing process (I hope!).

I did much better on the other side.

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Should have the keel sides stitched on tomorrow then have to winterize the ole' boat and get it ready to be tucked away.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:19 am
by fodrega
Good work Rick, This little flat will not be a problem. Congratulations.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:49 am
by ks8
NIce! :) Aren't belt sanders wonderful? :)

Are you going to wrap it up inside the shelter?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:NIce! :) Aren't belt sanders wonderful? :)

Are you going to wrap it up inside the shelter?
I luv my belt sander but if you really wanna screw somethin' up in a hurry that's the power tool that'll do it! :wink:

Naw, I was talkin' about our old boat.

I spent 3 hrs power washin' the spider crap off of it. Draining the fresh water system and putting in anti-freeze. She's ready to go in the barn for the winter.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
I haven't had much to report because all I've been doing is sanding. This weekend I want to get the keel stitched & glued. Exciting stuff huh?

Anywho, just thought I'd post a pic of my buddy Peter's Bolger Windemere to keep things interesting around here....

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:58 pm
by Baitcaster
Wow, what an amazing, epic project! I have to say I was getting the pre-build jitters on my FS17 but, after seeing this project...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Baitcaster wrote:Wow, what an amazing, epic project! I have to say I was getting the pre-build jitters on my FS17 but, after seeing this project...
Just DO IT BC. You'll be flying along before you know it. Hardest part is just getting started.

Then.........

You run into lil' problems like this.....

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This is the second panel from the bow between Frames A and B. You can see a distinct hump in the panel. I'm thinking I can just screw down into a 2x4 on the underside to straighten it out. It's the same between B & C but not quite as bad.

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Keel sides going up.

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I've got some trimming to do where I spliced in the hull and keel side extensions before I can stitch & glue it all down so I've got a hot 'n heavy date with my belt sander tomorrow night! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ran out of ties! Doh!

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Bulwarks going on. Ran into some problems with the sides flaring out farther than they should. They're about 5/8" off of the forms on each side. Causes the bulwarks to leave a fair size gap between them and the hull.

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I had to rig a ratchet strap between the two sides and pull them in a bit to get the bulwarks to wrap nicely around the hull.

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Good thing I bought those 1/2" bow eyes! 8)

More shimming the keel getting it ready for gluing and taping this afternoon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The keel is now permanently attached to the hull.

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That's all I got to show for 4 hrs work this morning. There was a lotta futzin' around shimming stuff and getting it all aligned properly (I hope). Once this cures I'll give the glue a good sanding and a second coat. It slumped in some places. Gotta work on getting my glue a little thicker.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:02 pm
by ks8
Nothing like one by one being able to say, *Well, that's on there for good!*. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:13 pm
by fodrega
Hy Rick, working hard, congratulations.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, working hard, congratulations.
Thanks Fabio. I'm probably on track for the longest build in Bateau.com history! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:04 am
by Cracker Larry
'm probably on track for the longest build in Bateau.com history!
Nah, I think KS has you beat there :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:16 pm
by ks8
Not done yet... :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:05 am
by Knottybuoyz
Had to bring the epoxy inside last night so it didn't freeze. Guess that's pretty much it except for some sanding till spring. :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:44 pm
by Farmer Ray
It finally got below 90 degrees F here. I finally got a place with an rv garage. 20 feet wide and 56 ft long, 10 ft door. Should work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:05 pm
by icelikkilinc
Farmer Ray wrote:It finally got below 90 degrees F here. I finally got a place with an rv garage. 20 feet wide and 56 ft long, 10 ft door. Should work.
10 ft door shouldnt be enough clearance if I remember correct... please check..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote:
Farmer Ray wrote:It finally got below 90 degrees F here. I finally got a place with an rv garage. 20 feet wide and 56 ft long, 10 ft door. Should work.
10 ft door shouldnt be enough clearance if I remember correct... please check..
Mine wouldn't. With the hull extension and extra frame it's 10' 4" at the widest.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:22 am
by Farmer Ray
I hope I'm confused!. The door is 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide. Please tell me it'll fit!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:08 am
by icelikkilinc
I was talking about the height..

10 feet tall shouldnt be enough.. I dont have the plans where I am at right now but the boat with the keel should be more than 10 feet.. so better check the plans.. Check Frame E F G they are the tallest parts..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:45 am
by icelikkilinc
Found the plans...

Frame E 307,9 cm 308 cm = 10' 1.3"

Frame F 311,2 cm 311 cm = 10' 2.4"

Frame G 312,9 cm 313 cm = 10' 3.2"

So your 10 feet clearance is definetely not enough.. You need some kind of cradle or smtg to move the boat with.. so that will add up with the numbers above...

I remember this subject as it was the most important issue for me before the project. I have looked for rental places for a long time but couldnt find a place with a door where I can get the boat out.. For my project literally I had to cut the door and weld it back after the boat was out...

In this pic it sits on woods but I put a forklift at the back and the crane in front and lifted the boat 3 cms of the ground and moved forward.. that is how we got her out... that was one of the most stressful things I have ever done...

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:11 am
by Knottybuoyz
I think when I did the CAD dwg it came about about 11' 3" from the bottom of the keel to the cabin top.

You'd want a door 12 x 12 minimum to remove all doubt.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:03 pm
by gstanfield
Well, you could use that garage to build the hull and finish out the inside prior to putting the house on it

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:49 pm
by icelikkilinc
gstanfield wrote:Well, you could use that garage to build the hull and finish out the inside prior to putting the house on it
Not that easy imho.. quite a big project to do.. outside will not help if you are slow..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:00 pm
by Daddy
Friend built a displacement hull cabin cruiser in his shop. Plenty of headroom in the shop so he could built the pilot house but he did not glass it in place, everything but that. When it came time to move it out of the shop he set the pilot house to the side, Moved the hull outside and we carried the pilot house out and set it in place. By the end of the day he had it basically wedded together with a first coat of tape and fillet, threw a tarp over it and finished it up in the next few days... and that was up here in Vermont. Worked slick as heck, wicked good it was. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:07 pm
by Corto Maltese
Hello Rick!
I remember that you've got bottom panels kerfed on the same side, so one is on the outside and other inside of hull. Regardless of the fairing, which should be more difficult on the kerfed side, was it easier to bend the panel which has kerfs outside?
Thanks and I wish you short winter, so you can continue with beautiful project,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Dario

The kerfs should be on the inside. On the outside it causes problems with getting a nice smooth bend in the panel. I've got a pretty good hump where the remaining plywood in the kerfs broke instead of bent. Luckily I think I can put the bow thruster tube in this spot and cut out most of the hump. Fairing it just means more epoxy & filler.

Thanks for the short winter well wishes. I've been tinkering here and there when I can but it will be likely March before I get back at it in honest.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:47 am
by Corto Maltese
Thanks for response!
Although living less than 100 km from seashore, we're here under Alps, so I'm also waiting for March :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I couldn't let any more of this fine fall weather slip by without doing anything on the boat so I decided today was the day to muster some courage and install the thruster tube.

First task was marking a straight line along the tube. A quick Google search turned up this trick. Using a piece of angle makes it easy.

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I then went inside the boat and using the specs from the mfgr for the thruster located the ideal spot for the tube. It has to be a minimum of 4" below the water line and 4' above the bottom of the hull. This presented a bit of a challenge but using my laser level I was able to locate the water line inside and then parallel lines for the distances required. This put my aligning holes 13'" behind Frame A (my baseline for all the measurements for the tube install). Using the directions in the mfgr specs I made up a hole drawing thingy from 3/16" mild steel rod.

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Worked perfect.

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A quick run around the holes with the jig saw and they were ready for the first test fit.

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Slid right in with a lil' trimming. I marked up the tube where it'll need to be trimmed off. This seemed easier to do on the work bench so I pulled it and using the templates from the instructions cut the holes for the thruster and trimmed the ends.

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If the weather cooperates I might glue it in place tomorrow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:08 pm
by icelikkilinc
big hole so close to the bow.. I would be sht**ng my pants to do that..

make sure you glue that damn thing right 8O 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
make sure you glue that damn thing right 8O 8O
And then put about 20 layers of biax over it :!: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote:big hole so close to the bow.. I would be sht**ng my pants to do that..
Me too! I read then re-read the instructions. If I has sat there and thought about it I probably would have chickened out and not done it. :wink:
icelikkilinc wrote:make sure you glue that damn thing right 8O 8O
Aye aye! I haven't spared the goop yet, no sense getting cheap now. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:And then put about 20 layers of biax over it :!: :lol:
Are ya sure 20 will be 'nuff Larry? I was hopin' to get away with 10 and a couple layers of carbon fiber thrown in for good measure! :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:12 pm
by peter-curacao
Sweet! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:22 pm
by icelikkilinc
Last summer a Jeanneu 50 ft DS sail boat in Turkey sank.. It was being transported by pros.. under sail in open sea, they noticed smtg and went down in the cabin to notice the flood.. it sank within minutes. 2 men were rescued and they said that was a faulty construction of the bow thruster..

I dont know about the actual facts but holes always scare me..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:37 pm
by gstanfield
Wow, way to scare the guy :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:55 pm
by icelikkilinc
I am sure he has planned this a zillion times :lol: :lol:

just a reminder to make this as careful as he can..

and since I own the same boat that hole feels like in mine.. I havent visited the boat the last 2 weeks so I better go and check :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:57 pm
by gstanfield
oh I'm sure he'll do a good job, I just wanted to razz you a bit :P

Keep up the good work TW guys 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The wife keeps telling me if I don't quit cutting holes in it it'll never float! :?

I have one more big hole to go for the depth sounder transducer. I'm going to cut out the hole then cover the cutout with plastic and put it back in the hull with some strapping to hold it. That way I can glass over it and remove it once the epoxy has hardened. It's a shoot through hull transducer so no core can be in the way.

One of the reasons I chose the Lewmar thruster was the ability to do things like change sheer pins without hauling the boat. It's totally sealed between the tunnel and the thruster motor. I'd have to completely sheer it off somehow to cause it to leak. The hole the shaft goes through is only 1-1/8".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Wow, way to scare the guy :lol:
Thnx George. We're (TW 28 guys) aren't afraid of nuttin'! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:34 pm
by Cracker Larry
We're (TW 28 guys) aren't afraid of nuttin'! :wink:
I believe it :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:21 pm
by Steven
If you glue a boat together from flat plywood panels, gluing in a big glass tube is kids play. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:12 pm
by ks8
20 layers will be enough. It has been plenty on my CV16... :lol:

I wonder whatever happened to Baba's FL14 MaddMaxx. I think he had biax and CF on the bottom of that thing!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:56 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:We're (TW 28 guys) aren't afraid of nuttin'! :wink:
That's our motto!
(Another TW28 guy)

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:33 am
by colinhart
DITTO

Colin
(one more TW28 guy)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well there was the one time......... her name was Rowena.......... She was 6'4" tall and tipped the scales at about 275............ Not an ounce of fat on her........... Luckily I was quicker than she was.............. Let your filthy minds fill in the rest.............

Other than that the only other time was crossing Lake Superior in January in a gale. Cap'n called everyone out, including the galley staff, at 02:00 hrs to hammer ice off the decks & rigging. Most of us slept in our bunks in our gumby suits that night. The next morning the Chief Engineer calculated we had over 600 tonnes of ice on deck. 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:01 am
by Knottybuoyz
Was in Montego Bay Jamaica last week for a little R&R. Didn't see much to inspire boat building. The biggest deal was these monstrosities coming into port on a regular basis.

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Another month and the weather should start warming up here enough to get back into boat building. I was in the shed yesterday and everything is still frozen! :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:57 am
by wej
I see something coming out of the water that inspires me!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
We walked into the Appleton aging warehouse! 8O

Now there's some inspiration for ya! I was in heaven methinks! 8)

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
After a short and not so much snowy winter it's back into the boat shed. The pictures from Peter & Allard as well as the launching of Fabio's TW28 have re-invigorated me (somewhat!). :wink:

So I'm looking at the fwd bulwarks where they wrap around the hull. When I line them up and they rest on the cross pieces attached to the strongback they refuse to fall into any sort of natural curve. If I line up the bow and where the bulwark join the sides it leaves a gap of about 3/8" (see photo)

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Another picture from the starboard side.

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It's the same on both sides. I'm sure I've got them lined up according to plans. Anybody else run into this with their builds? I've looked at pictures and didn't see any others like this. Or, is 3/8" not that much of a bother, just fill it up with goop and carry on? If I force them flat to the hull they come out of alignment and flair out an extra inch on each side. Did I explain that well enough? :doh:

My epoxy resin turned into a big slushie over the winter so the proper application of heat corrected that! *Whew!*

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:17 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: Or, is 3/8" not that much of a bother, just fill it up with goop and carry on? If I force them flat to the hull they come out of alignment and flair out an extra inch on each side. Did I explain that well enough? :doh:
My epoxy resin turned into a big slushie over the winter so the proper application of heat corrected that! *Whew!*
I fixed the bulwark flat to the hull, yes it flaired out a little. About the tichness of the sidepanels, so half an inch.
I would not accept the 3/8", that is too much,and the Bulwark is then no longer in line.

I think when the epoxy has warmed up a little the normal consistency will return. Maybe one of the builders from Alaska can give you an answer.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:35 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

I didn't have this problem. But I glued the bullwark to the hull before glassing.
I would force the bullwark against the hull, this looks like a big gap that will use a lot of epoxy.
On the other hand, we always hear that gaps are good. Let us know how you solved it.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:42 pm
by icelikkilinc
TheBroomside wrote:I didn't have this problem. But I glued the bullwark to the hull before glassing.
I would force the bullwark against the hull
Same here...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:45 am
by fodrega
Hy Rick, I was thinking about my concrete ballast, works well, but I d´ont think you will need trimming ballast on your TW28, if you put the engine at the same place you will have a trimmed boat and can put the ballast in the keel ( the best place ).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, I was thinking about my concrete ballast, works well, but I d´ont think you will need trimming ballast on your TW28, if you put the engine at the same place you will have a trimmed boat and can put the ballast in the keel ( the best place ).
Thnx for the tips Fabio. So far I've got about 450 lbs of lead to use as ballast. The engine will go in the same spot as the plans. It means a slightly longer propeller shaft.

It's still too cold to do any epoxy work (+2 deg C) so I puttered around the shop.

I worked on the bulwark panels and got them to fit properly. I started at the ends, which were easiest to properly locate on the hull and worked my way into the middle. The gap got bigger as things tightened up. I cut a few kerfs to relieve some of the stress and used screws & washers to hold it in place.

No gap now! When it warms up these will get glued into place permanently.

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Looking around I figured it was time to dryfit the bow thruster and get it lined up so the tube can be glued and taped into place.

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I seem to remember reading somewhere that thruster props are typically serviced from the port side. It was only through pure luck that I got the holes cut in the right place so my thruster prop can be serviced on the port side! I had to scratch my head a few times 'cause I'm working upside down on this thing so port is starboard and starboard is port! *lol*

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That's it for now. Hopefully it'll be a lot warmer next week and we can get some epoxy & fiberglass work done.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:56 pm
by fodrega
Rick, before glass I put this rubrail and I think it helps the hull to have a good shape.
But is more dificult to laminate with it.
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Rick, before glass I put this rubrail and I think it helps the hull to have a good shape.
But is more dificult to laminate with it.
I think I'm going to put my rubrail on the outside of the fiberglass Fabio. It'll have a stainless steel cap on it and it's basically sacraficial. In the locks it's going to get scraped and banged up pretty good so if it's on top of the glass it'll be easier to replace.

Thanks for the thought though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
I hope everyone had a joyful and relaxing Easter long weekend. It certainly was for us and after a belly full of ham & turtle pie I struggled to haul my butt out to the shed this morning. It's still cold & damp and raining. Too cold to do any epoxy work. I had the heater on in the shed and could only get it up to about 10 degs C.

I did cut a few missing pieces for the side panels and trued up the thruster tube so it's ready to be glassed in. Other than that I just puttered around.

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Here's hoping it warms up a bit soon! I can hear the travel lift at the marina likely launching boats! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
Spent some quality time with my belt sander yesterday and made some progress.

Side panels glued on stbd side.

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Port side will get done this afternoon if I can find enough clamps! :-)

Thruster tube glued in. There was a few small missing pieces on the leading edge of the keel. Cut and glued those into place. Took a lot of sanding this area. It was mis-cut by the CnC and the kerfs allowing the panel to bend are on the outside. Just a lot more filling and sanding to get it smooth. The other side is has the kerfs on the inside.

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Once that filler has set up it can be sanded again *sigh*. Then it's onto the keel.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
It snowed this morning! What the heck is up with that?

Anywho, spent most of the weekend in the shed puttering around. Got some sanding and gluing done.

Port side pretty much ready for fiberglass.

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Keel boxed in and glued up.

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Nice big radius fillets for the 33 oz triaxial fabric that'll have to bend here....

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Won't be long and I'll be taping the hull/keel joins. Then it's prep time for glassing the hull. Any tips on how you fiberglassed your hulls would be greatly appreciated at this point in time. I'm thinking two teams of three guys pull an over nighter to get it all done in one shot.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:53 pm
by vla
Rick,

Help is always handy. But I did it all alone. It is a pitty that I cannot show the picture of how I did it.
I used an upright pole and had a wooden disc slid over it. Which was equipped with clamping disc so the height could be adjusted. On the pole and on the disc was of the roll of fiberglass. I wet out a few feet of the hull with epoxy and then rolled the fiberglass cloth over the wetted area by moving the pole a piece, wetted out the next part of the hull, rolling a piece of fiberglass, if necessary adkusted the height of the roll and moving the pole. In this way, I was able to apply two layers on one side of the hull in one day. In this way, the pieces of and good fabric are not too large to handle. It worked well for me.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:I used an upright pole and had a wooden disc slid over it. Which was equipped with clamping disc so the height could be adjusted. On the pole and on the disc was of the roll of fiberglass. I wet out a few feet of the hull with epoxy and then rolled the fiberglass cloth over the wetted area by moving the pole a piece, wetted out the next part of the hull, rolling a piece of fiberglass, if necessary adkusted the height of the roll and moving the pole. In this way, I was able to apply two layers on one side of the hull in one day. In this way, the pieces of and good fabric are not too large to handle. It worked well for me.
Thanks Allard. That's a great tip! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:42 pm
by vla
Rick,

Here the picture of the pole and the roll.
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Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Two layers of tape on the hull/keel seams. Back seized up. Looks like I'll be sanding a little before adding a couple more layers tomorrow! Robaxacet Time! :cry:

Sorry no pics today.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Pulled a muscle in my back. Down for the count since Sunday morning. Gosh Darnit! :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:Pulled a muscle in my back. Down for the count since Sunday morning. Gosh Darnit! :oops:
That's sucks! get well soon! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:05 am
by colinhart
Having a bad back stops everything hope you feel better soon Cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Fella's

Wife keeps reminding me I'm not a Spring Chicken anymore. :?

Back feels better. Will go back at it this weekend and see how it goes. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:07 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: Wife keeps reminding me I'm not a Spring Chicken anymore. :?
Hmm, that sounds familiar :(
Knottybuoyz wrote: Back feels better. Will go back at it this weekend and see how it goes.
That will be fine! It's so frustrating when you can do nothing. How is the weather there, temperatures a bit better?

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sorry about the infrequent updates. Been slacking off big time. Got Netflixated last week! :-)

Ya know what they say eh?

If ya can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen! Or in this case, get offa the boat!

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I couldn't take it much more than 10 mins up there at that temp! I'm sure it was actually a few degs warmer which would make it damn near 100 degs F! I taped those seams 3 hrs ago and they're rock hard now! Normally the epoxy takes 15-18 hrs to cure to that hardness.

Anyhow, it's progress. Small steps all add up to somethin'! :-)

Stay cool my friends!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:02 pm
by dbcrx
That's no excuse - now's the time you can get even more done! :lol: That's normal working temperature here for the next 3 months 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 5:10 pm
by Farmer Ray
Sorry to hear of your back pain. When it happens to me, I see a theropist. He fixes me right up. It's been over 100 here for a week now. Hope you can get back at it soon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
But! But! But! Dag nabbit, this is supposed to be Canada not the freakin' Sahara! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
43.5C or 110F by any standard that's warm!

Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2012/05/maj- ... -kong.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:06 pm
by vla
At these temperatures, you should be careful with the precious bodily fluids :wink: !

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:09 pm
by Farmer Ray
I'll agree. Around here I can take 108. Sometimes it gets 118 or more. When you open the door to exit your home, it feels like you put your head into a convection oven. 4 months of that starting in June. The winter here is perfect. A frost or two than 70 during the day. About a week of rainy days all year. I could build my boat outside except for the blowing dust. At 100 the slow hardner gives you about 20 minutes. Lots of small batches!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Supplies ordered.

Waiting patiently! 8)

What's everybody else up to?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 4:52 pm
by colinhart
working for the examination boards checking about 70 schools practical exam marks. over here the kids take a science exam where they do an experiment and then answer a test paper about what they have done and the teachers mark it send it to me and I check their marking. It should pay for the stern gear and the tanks takes about another 3 weeks and then back on to the baby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 5:22 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: What's everybody else up to?
Well, you complained about (too) high temperature, we have the same problem. The resin starts curing before the harder is added to it :lol: !
So I have a few small jobs done, it was to hot in the workshop and the boat. Beside that, I have the to gather some courage to start some jobs. And I'm waiting for some stuff that I ordered so I can continue.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
That sounds hmmmm? extremely exciting Colin! I miss the days of being an instructor and marking papers! NOT! :wink:

The weather here has been all over the map. One minute it's in the 90's with 100% humidity then a storm blows through and it's back down in the 50's again and raining like hell. We had tornado wornings twice this week. One touched down in Montreal just east of us. We've never seen tornado's around here at least not in my lifetime.

I guess if I really want to complain about the weather I'll go to church on Sunday. :-)

Still need to order epoxy before I can glass the outside of the hull. That'll have to wait a couple of weeks. Till then it's just taping the hull seams, not very exciting.

I did score a great deal on some solar panels, 2 X 130 watts for $1.35/watt. $1.61 with shipping. That should be plenty for this lil' boat!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:25 pm
by colinhart
Its mind bendingly boring but should be over soon. Have you used much epoxy I have finished the 225kg drum and have now gone through another 30kg but I think I might have overspeced the outside. The panel sound good their really expensive over here.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Its mind bendingly boring but should be over soon. Have you used much epoxy I have finished the 225kg drum and have now gone through another 30kg but I think I might have overspeced the outside. The panel sound good their really expensive over here.
I heard the US is about to levy some very heafty import duties on Chinese made panels. You might see them eventually end up selling in EU and the UK. Mine were Kyocera brand. Well known from what I can find out.

So far I've used about 20 gallons, don't know what that is in KG though. I'll need to order at least another 20 to finish the hull inside and out. All of my bulkheads are done already though. It adds up quick.! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:18 am
by colinhart
20 us gallons is approx 75 litres if it was the same density as water that would be 75kg butb I think its denser but have not been able to find a firgure for it even from the manufacturer. So maybe 100kg which if you are buying another 20 gallons is about same as me as I built a FS12 first and I know I wasted some due to inexperience. You seem to have all our hot weather Its been really up and down here. Raining sunday and monday and everyones having bbq here because of the 60 year celebration of the queens reign. There will be a pageant of a 1000 ships on the Thames on Sunday from Kayaks to 3 masted Barques and royal rowing barges which are fantastic vessels. Quite exciting even for an old republican like me.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Now I've gone and done it!

On crutches for a couple of weeks. Slipped and fell going down the stairs and tore up my quad muscle on my right leg. Doh! That'll put a severe crimp in the ole boat building project.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:45 pm
by gstanfield
Dangit man, that sucks!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:39 am
by TheBroomside
A couple of weeks! This means a lot of thinking ahead, but also a lot of frustration.
Get better fast.
All the best,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:59 pm
by ks8
Ouch! ... but hoping it has not ruffled your answer to the question of She:kon... :)

Heal well. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:40 am
by vla
What a setback! Frustrating while the weather is good to build,to be sitting at home. I hope for you that the rehabilitation is a bit more smoothly.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:50 am
by colinhart
How are you feeling Rick is it getting better Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's

Thnx for all the well wishes. Healing up well. Still on crutches but can take a few hobbles around without them. Should be a week or so and I'll be back at it.

Thought we had our old boat sold, which would have accelerated our project, but the buyers backed out. I kept their small deposit and they haven't whined about it!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:How are you feeling Rick is it getting better Colin
Back at work after two weeks on the couch talking to the cats! :cry:

Leg is healing well. Still don't do too well on ladders but it won't be long now. Getting real anxious to get back at the boat. Had my young helper up on the shed on Saturday to patch some holes. In hindsight shrink wrap plastic may not have been the best choice to cover a bow shed.

Just ordered 18 gals of epoxy from Bateau so we'll be working hard towards getting the hull in shape to be fiberglassed, probably the first weekend in August. If anyone's available and willing to help out, c'mon over!

Cheers!

PS. Didn't someone mention that we (TW28 builders) need our own section? I'd second that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:07 pm
by colinhart
welcome back looking forward to pictures

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
August 4th. 2012 08:00 hrs

I don't normally like setting target dates but there are some milestones in this project that demand them.

The biggest task ahead is fiberglassing the outside of the hull while it's upside down. Before I took my tumble I had about half of the seams taped and then with a little sanding it'd be ready for fiberglass. I'm looking at where we are and where I thought I'd be and I'm about 6 months behind. Not that it's a race mind you it's just if I let it slip more the chances of getting the hull flipped this year are slim.

Soooooooooooo, long story short, I've decided Saturday August 4th. is the day to glass the hull. I'll be inviting some friends to help and have one volunteer (Thank You Mr. Lemonhands) so far. Everyone's welcome to come and help out even if it's only for an hour or two. No special skills required. Just wear clothes that you don't mind ruining! :-)

The process has to be done in one continuous operation from start to finish. With 4 or 5 extra pairs of hands I think we can have it done in 5-6 hrs.

So if you'd like to experience the thrill of fiberglassing a boat hull, c'mon over on Aug 4th. All helping hands will be well fed and watered for their troubles! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:01 pm
by vla
Rick,

Sorry, but Canada is just to far away :( . I'd like to help you. And I'm also curious to see a hull about 1 meter longer. Pictures give an impression, but the reality is always more impressive.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:20 pm
by gstanfield
With Lemonhands coming over I'd love to be there, I'm betting that is going to be one fun day :!:

Is he bringing Simon along to help?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Sorry, but Canada is just to far away :( . I'd like to help you. And I'm also curious to see a hull about 1 meter longer. Pictures give an impression, but the reality is always more impressive.
Hey Allard. I understand. That's a pretty big pond to cross just to mess around with some epoxy & fiberglass! :)

The extra 40" takes it from impressive to monstrous! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:With Lemonhands coming over I'd love to be there, I'm betting that is going to be one fun day :!:

Is he bringing Simon along to help?
Hi George

I think Peter said Simon is missing in action somewhere on a weeks long pub crawl in Montreal! :? Just as well, I need real hands here and not another liquor pig! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:15 pm
by vla
Rick,

I have been thinking about your operation.
Knottybuoyz wrote: Soooooooooooo, long story short, I've decided Saturday August 4th. is the day to glass the hull.
The process has to be done in one continuous operation from start to finish. With 4 or 5 extra pairs of hands I think we can have it done in 5-6 hrs.
You want to put 4 layers of fiberglass on the out side. 1708 + 1208 + 8 +33 oz per square foot. Metric that is about 2,6 kg of fg per square meter in one continous operation. That requires a fair amount of epoxy.

I would not do it in one go. My arguments:
- The heat development in the epoxy, the laminate contains as much as fg and epoxy
- bubbles, in the worst case you have to sand down 4 layers

Can't you do it in two days? My dealer told me, that if you apply the second layer within 24 hours the adhesion between the two layers is (almost) the same as that you make everything in one go. The compleet curing proces takes much longer than 24 hours.
In case of bubbles, you only have sand down two layers (max).

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Rick,

I have been thinking about your operation.
Me too Allard. I appreciate your feedback.
vla wrote:You want to put 4 layers of fiberglass on the out side. 1708 + 1208 + 8 +33 oz per square foot. Metric that is about 2,6 kg of fg per square meter in one continous operation. That requires a fair amount of epoxy.
I'm substituting the 33 oz quadaxial instead of the 1708 + 1208 and I have 10 oz satin for the top layer. Keel will get two times 33 oz plus the 10. There's also one layer of 22 oz carbon fiber going on the bottom of the keel. The sides and transom will be exactly as specified on the plans.
vla wrote:I would not do it in one go. My arguments:
- The heat development in the epoxy, the laminate contains as much as fg and epoxy
- bubbles, in the worst case you have to sand down 4 layers
I've got help coming in from pretty far away so it's got to be a 1 day project. We can control the heat to a certain degree in the shed with fans etc. If we get a good early start I think we'll be ok.
vla wrote:Can't you do it in two days? My dealer told me, that if you apply the second layer within 24 hours the adhesion between the two layers is (almost) the same as that you make everything in one go. The compleet curing proces takes much longer than 24 hours.
I think I'm going to do the keel myself the day before. That'll spread out the work over 2 days and I won't need to have my helpers climbing all over the top of the boat. If we can get a decent bond between the keel and the hull I'll be really happy. I'm using Marinepoxy from Bateau so hopefully it'll bond well.
vla wrote:In case of bubbles, you only have sand down two layers (max).
I hope I don't have to sand any of it off. :roll: I do plan on using proper peel ply so that should help eliminate any major bubbling. Precoating the plywood should help too. I do have a paint pot and a vacuum pump so I can also degas the epoxy before rolling it out. Plenty to think about. :doh:

Thanks again Allard.

PS. Sold my old boat yesterday, for good. Now I have money for winders! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:43 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Take it as it comes.
If you succeed in glassing the hull in one day, this will be a major step forward and a major feat.
If not, there is always a next day.
Just as for Allard, it is a little far for me to come, but enjoy the happening.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
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Victory Type S Single Engine, two lever (shift/throttle) controller p/n 60057

Anybody need one? $50 US plus shipping. Retail $129.99

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:07 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sold my old boat yesterday, for good. Now I have money for winders! :D
I'm jealous, I'm afraid mine is still for sale for some time.
The bottom of my treasury has been reached.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sold my old boat yesterday, for good. Now I have money for winders! :D
I'm jealous, I'm afraid mine is still for sale for some time.
The bottom of my treasury has been reached.
Took me over 3 yrs and considerable drop in asking price to sell mine. Much better though, it was just sitting here gathering bird poop.

My treasury isn't looking so good either. I'll be retired in just a little over 2 months with a 47% cut in income! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:58 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Took me over 3 yrs and considerable drop in asking price to sell mine. Much better though, it was just sitting here gathering bird poop.
Oh, I have another two and a half years to go :lol: !
Knottybuoyz wrote: I'll be retired in just a little over 2 months with a 47% cut in income! :roll:
I'm not yet retired, 3 years to go, but I've got a son at the university.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Havin' a rum 'n coke to celebrate the final voyage of the KnottyBuoyz II. She's a good ole' boat and amazes me how well she runs . I hope her new owners look after and enjoy her as much as we did! Bravo Zulu ole girl. :-)

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:42 pm
by peter-curacao
I like to convert that little light house into my 3 story house! any chance I can have it? I promise to light the tower every night!! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:I like to convert that little light house into my 3 story house! any chance I can have it? I promise to light the tower every night!! :wink:
There's actually an ice cream shop in the lighthouse. The top is solid cast iron and used to sit on top of the old Coast Guard base in Prescott ON. We climbed up in there once when I was stationed at that base. I think it's too small to be a house Peter. Maybe an outhouse! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:56 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:I like to convert that little light house into my 3 story house! any chance I can have it? I promise to light the tower every night!! :wink:
There's actually an ice cream shop in the lighthouse. The top is solid cast iron and used to sit on top of the old Coast Guard base in Prescott ON. We climbed up in there once when I was stationed at that base. I think it's too small to be a house Peter. Maybe an outhouse! 8O
:( but I can live in a ice cream store also! I think 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
There she goes! I didn't think he'd get it home without destroying it!

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He paid the cash up front and I signed the papers so technically it wasn't my boat anymore. When he departed the marina to bring it into the ramp he had to navigate two sets of submerged stone walls that are relics from the old locks. The first wall runs out about 200 yds and is normally 4' or so below the water level. Levels are down this year. He immediately turned right exiting the locks and I don't know how he didn't rip the props off of it. Second was the approach into the ramp. There's two more submerged stone walls from the dam outflow that are only 2' under the water. I was trying to wave directions and I have no idea how he didn't hit the walls and yes there are buoys! I think he spotted the walls under the surface and steered towards what he was looking at! 8O

You can see them on this Googlemap towards the upper right hand corner.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=44.838807,- ... gplus-ogsb

He went to tow it home Friday night but we couldn't get any tail lights on the trailer. Managed to talk him into leaving it over night and I'd put a new set of lights on the trailer in the morning. That was the wise choice I think.

It was nerve wracking but it's all over now. Time to concentrate my efforts on the TW28. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Wohoo! Back out in the boat shed tonight for the first time since my skate boarding accident! :wink:

Felt good to smell the sawdust. All I did was clean up a bit and organize my work bench but at least it was something. More tomorrow for sure. Knee feels good today. I'll attempt the ladder tomorrow and see how it goes. The wife has me talked into seeing the ole's sawbones and getting some physio therapy. I didn't want to but she beat me down till I gave in! :roll:

Carry on......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
First task was building up the area around the bow thruster tube. I'm no sculptor and can appreciate the genius of Michael Angelo.

The goal here is to get an even flow of water past the opening which should cut down on turbulence that cause unnecessary drag. I'm building up a few layers of thickened epoxy to form a flare that'll help direct the water flowing past the opening out and away from it. Kind of hard to envision here but you'll see when I'm done. I hope!

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I picked up this B&D Precision sander at CtC for $50. It's a handy little sander that'll help shaping the flares around the thruster tube. You have to be careful with this little unit, it can remove a lot of material very quickly..

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Next task was the Moon Pool! Well not really but I had to cut another hole in the bottom of the boat. For what this time?, you ask? The Airmar in hull transducer. This type of transducer shoots through the bottom of the boat and cannot have any core between the transducer an the hull. The hole is located just behind Frame B.

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I cut the hole a little oversize and used the cutout as a plug. I wrapped the plug in vacuum bagging film and peel ply. This way I'll easily be able to remove the plug and be left with only fiberglass covering the hole.

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The cutout above and below being covered with film and peel ply.

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That's my "Raptor Nails" stapler. I didn't absolutely have to use it but I did anyways! :-)

Here's the plug back in the hole secured with a few screws. This gets the plug almost completely flush with the exterior of the hull.

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And on the outside. A little thickened epoxy filler and some tape. Once this sets up I can remove the screws and put another layer of cloth over it on the outside.

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There'll be two layers of glass go over top of this patch and at least two more inside. That'll provide the solid fiberglass hull section for the transducer. This sounder will be very near the fwd end of the boat only a few feet from the waterline. It should give us a good indication of what's right under the bow. There'll be another transducer on the transom showing us what's under our keel at the stern.

We picked up our tender yesterday. I have plans for the V10 but decided once this first boat is done it's highly unlikely I'll have an appetite to build a tender. Saw this lil' gem on e-Bay and got it for a decent price. It's in good condition. All we need to do now is find ourselves a small trailer and outboard.

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It's a Walker Bay 8'er. Should prove good and stable and sturdy tender. Lori has named our tender "Little Peace".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:51 pm
by fodrega
Hy Rick, I´m happy seen you working again.
Fabio.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Fabio. It feels good!

How's your boat doing? I bet you're hauling in some big fish no?

So now that you've been running the boat a few months is there anything you would have done different or future plans?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:05 pm
by fodrega
Knottybuoyz wrote:Thanks Fabio. It feels good!

How's your boat doing? I bet you're hauling in some big fish no?

So now that you've been running the boat a few months is there anything you would have done different or future plans?
Hy Rick, the boat is very nice, I am usually fishing with her.

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Here we have a lot of wind, and big waves too, I will put two bars near the roof, like bus, and when we go to fish we put some stoppers on the holes near the outside deck, the water dónt understand it may go out and not go in, when there are some waves.
I think the steadying sail is a good idea, my wife has some problems with roll.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:13 pm
by albatross1954
Hi Rick !
See you got back to work ! Congrats !
Please educate me as to the advantages of a bow thruster for the TW 28. My understanding was (until now) that they included an electrical engine and helice to aid docking...
Thanks in advance
Pedro
Knottybuoyz wrote:First task was building up the area around the bow thruster tube. I'm no sculptor and can appreciate the genius of Michael Angelo.

The goal here is to get an even flow of water past the opening which should cut down on turbulence that cause unnecessary drag. I'm building up a few layers of thickened epoxy to form a flare that'll help direct the water flowing past the opening out and away from it. Kind of hard to envision here but you'll see when I'm done. I hope!

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I picked up this B&D Precision sander at CtC for $50. It's a handy little sander that'll help shaping the flares around the thruster tube. You have to be careful with this little unit, it can remove a lot of material very quickly..

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Next task was the Moon Pool! Well not really but I had to cut another hole in the bottom of the boat. For what this time?, you ask? The Airmar in hull transducer. This type of transducer shoots through the bottom of the boat and cannot have any core between the transducer an the hull. The hole is located just behind Frame B.

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I cut the hole a little oversize and used the cutout as a plug. I wrapped the plug in vacuum bagging film and peel ply. This way I'll easily be able to remove the plug and be left with only fiberglass covering the hole.

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The cutout above and below being covered with film and peel ply.

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That's my "Raptor Nails" stapler. I didn't absolutely have to use it but I did anyways! :-)

Here's the plug back in the hole secured with a few screws. This gets the plug almost completely flush with the exterior of the hull.

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And on the outside. A little thickened epoxy filler and some tape. Once this sets up I can remove the screws and put another layer of cloth over it on the outside.

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There'll be two layers of glass go over top of this patch and at least two more inside. That'll provide the solid fiberglass hull section for the transducer. This sounder will be very near the fwd end of the boat only a few feet from the waterline. It should give us a good indication of what's right under the bow. There'll be another transducer on the transom showing us what's under our keel at the stern.

We picked up our tender yesterday. I have plans for the V10 but decided once this first boat is done it's highly unlikely I'll have an appetite to build a tender. Saw this lil' gem on e-Bay and got it for a decent price. It's in good condition. All we need to do now is find ourselves a small trailer and outboard.

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It's a Walker Bay 8'er. Should prove good and stable and sturdy tender. Lori has named our tender "Little Peace".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Pedro

You have the basic concept of a bow thruster correct. They can also have hydraulic motors instead of electric.

They come in handy when docking in close quarters and we do a lot of that in the old canals. Our boat is also 1m longer than a standard TW28. I'm sure I can handle the boat without the thruster having operated boats of all sizes my whole life.

A wise old sea Captain told me once "a thruster makes a good skipper better but it can't make a bad boat handler a skipper!" well something like that.

It pretty much is a personal choice on a boat the size of the TW28.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fabio

Nice fish! I'm not sure what it is, tuna?

I'm planning a few hand holds inside the boat for sure. The Great Lakes up here are true inland seas and can kick up a fuss just as bad as the ocean.

Thanks for posting the picture of the fish. Now I know what I want for dinner! :wink:

Cheers

Rick

fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, the boat is very nice, I am usually fishing with her.

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Here we have a lot of wind, and big waves too, I will put two bars near the roof, like bus, and when we go to fish we put some stoppers on the holes near the outside deck, the water dónt understand it may go out and not go in, when there are some waves.
I think the steadying sail is a good idea, my wife has some problems with roll.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:29 pm
by jacquesmm
I agree about the thruster, you don't need one on the TW28.
The boat has a nice big rudder with which you can "whip" the boat around in tight spots.

For the steadying sail, beware of the chain plates for the shrouds.
If you put them on the sides, they interfere with circulation on the side deck.
Put them on the pilothouse frames.
The mast goes either on deck, I think I show a reinforcement that acts as mast step, above the engine, or on the roof.
In that case, you need a compression post that can a couple extra layers of plywood in the center of the cockpit frame.
The renderings at bateau.com may show some "poetic license" for the shrouds and mast . . . one of the views is pretty but it doesn't work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:52 pm
by Cracker Larry
Glad to see you back to work 8)
Nice fish! I'm not sure what it is, tuna?
No, it's a jack of some sort. Probably amberjack.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:08 pm
by albatross1954
Thanks Rick and Jacques
Still on the planning stage. I`ll be in Florida in late October doing procurement on my TW 28. Will vist Betau for sure !
Regards
Pedro
Knottybuoyz wrote:Hi Pedro

You have the basic concept of a bow thruster correct. They can also have hydraulic motors instead of electric.

They come in handy when docking in close quarters and we do a lot of that in the old canals. Our boat is also 1m longer than a standard TW28. I'm sure I can handle the boat without the thruster having operated boats of all sizes my whole life.

A wise old sea Captain told me once "a thruster makes a good skipper better but it can't make a bad boat handler a skipper!" well something like that.

It pretty much is a personal choice on a boat the size of the TW28.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Larry. It feels good to get back at it.

I'm going to have to stop in and see you sometime so you can teach me how identify all those exotic fish you have down there. Last big thing I caught was a Northern Pike and it got off the hook!

Good luck with your project Pedro. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Plenty of experienced builders here to help out.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I spent quite a few quality hours with my sanders today. Instead of pictures I did a few video's of my very messy boat shed. If you're interested they're on our blog site.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2012/07/hone ... woman.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:29 pm
by vla
Rick,

Good to see you're back on the build. Nice movies too, it all looks so familiar.
I've, also no pictures, like you only a big heap of dust. Just sanded of the boat. Oh you're gonna dislike the S-word ( I do!)

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Good to see you're back on the build. Nice movies too, it all looks so familiar.
I've, also no pictures, like you only a big heap of dust. Just sanded of the boat. Oh you're gonna dislike the S-word ( I do!)
Thanks Allard.

It feels good, well it hurts in some places too! I put in a good days work. Feeling stiff today. We had some chores to run so didn't get anything done today. Tomorrow we go on the hunt for a boat trailer for our dingy so there won't be much get done tomorrow either.

I don't mind the sanding. My bum knee is still causing me some problems and all the work now is on the keel. We'll see how it goes. I'm following your progress closely. Looks very good! Can hardly wait to see more of it come together.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I climbed back up on the hull for the first time since my lil' accident. The knee felt pretty good. I got some sanding done on the seams so I can get another layer of tape on them. That's what I was preparing to do before I had my accident.

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It was a comfortable 24C on the hull. Look at the max temp! Yikes! I'm glad I wasn't up there that day!

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Back up for a little more sanding before the tape goes on. One tiny step closer to glassing the hull. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:05 pm
by colinhart
glad to see you back and glassing

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Colin. Feels good to be doing something on the boat again for sure. Although, it's probably cooler in hell right about now

Holy Crap is it hot outside! 34C and hotter in the shed 37C even with all the fans going! With the humidity it's over 40C right now.

I had planned to get the first carbon fiber reinforcement on the bow & keel today along with a couple layers of tape. By the time I got the carbon fiber on the heat was oppressive and I had to get out of the kitchen!

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The carbon fiber tape I had (got cheap from eBay) runs from the bow to about midway down the keel. This should provide some extra reinforcement in the case of a collision. There's more carbon fiber going on the bow below the waterline and around the thruster opening. These layers will be buried deep under multiple layers of fiberglass tape and cloth. Should a collision occur the carbon fiber is the last line of defense in a hull breach. The upper layers of glass would be easily repairable. That's my twisted logic behind using it anyways. The remainder of the keel will be built up of a couple of layers of basalt fabric and fiberglass. About 5 layers in all.

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This is a close up of the bow with the carbon fiber. The epoxy kicked off inside an hour in this heat and was hard to the touch in 3 hours. I peeled back some of the peelply to show the result. Using peelply I don't have to do any sanding before putting on more layers of fiberglass which in this heat is a real bonus!

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Extreme close up of the carbon fiber after the peelply was removed. There's a few tiny voids that are only on the surface of the fabric. These shouldn't be an issue. I had a hard time getting the peelply to lay down properly. The peelply I'm using now is really heavy material. It doesn't seem to get any more flexible in the heat!

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Picked up this small trailer to use with our dingy "Lil' Peace". I have to modify it a bit but it should work well.

Off to consume another cooling beverage. Stay thirsty my friends!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:03 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Off to consume another cooling beverage. Stay thirsty my friends!
Let me guess, dos equis? :D cheers 8)
Nice work btw

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:10 pm
by colinhart
I have not had much luck with peel ply so far but will persevere with it for the upper works this year our weather has been ideal for epoxying with an average of approx 22 celsius mind you it hasnt stopped raining.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:I have not had much luck with peel ply so far but will persevere with it for the upper works this year our weather has been ideal for epoxying with an average of approx 22 celsius mind you it hasnt stopped raining.
The weather's moderating a bit here too Colin. That means more epoxy work. Time to kick it into high gear I guess.

I spent half day in the boat shed today. Spent this morning sanding and prepping the fwd section for more carbon fiber. Using the peelply sure saves on sanding. It seems a bit wasteful to just peel this stuff off and toss it away though. The work it saves is great though. Catch 22 I guess.

Anywho, got the carbon fiber on and peelplied.

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Tomorrow I hope to get up on the keel again and get it ready for fiberglass. Weather is moderating a bit so that's good.

The ole' shed needs a few repairs too. We'll see if we can get to that this evening if it doesn't rain.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It was so warm in the shed the epoxy was hard to the touch in less than 4 hrs. This slow hardener usually takes 3 times that long.

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I stripped off the peelply to see how the carbon fiber turned out. It's ok. Good thing it's not a cosmetic part though. It'll get burried under a few layers of glass.

I had a tarp covering the cabin roof attached to the side of the shed. Wind ripped the tarp to shreds so we had to clean that up today.

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I forgot how big that thing is! 8O

Needed to get up on the shed to fix some holes but Mother Nature isn't cooperating. Four days of rain and thunderstorms in the forecast. Guess it'll have to wait.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:11 pm
by vla
Don't worry, you've got a spare (cabin)roof to put on the shed. But that cabin roof is realy big :!:

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Don't worry, you've got a spare (cabin)roof to put on the shed. But that cabin roof is realy big :!:
Hey Allard.

I've thought about hauling it on top of the shed and nailing it down! :? I don't think I could get it up there though. It's heavy. If I remember correctly it's 17' long x 8' wide. Glassed on one side it easily weights over 200 lbs. The extra length is the cabin extension plus the hard top over the cockpit.

Sanded my guts out for 5 hrs today. Wicked headache. Wind kept blowing the shed door closed and the temp would shoot up 10 degs. Had 'nuff and am takin' a break.

Taking pictures of sanding seams isn't very exciting so here's a pic of the carbon fiber tape I put on the keel.

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I've got about two more hours sanding and then I can put the final layers of tape on the keel seams. After that a few touch ups and the hull will be ready for fiberglass.

How did you do the layers of glass on your hull Allard? Did you do them all at once and did you use peelply on the hull?

I'm thinking this monster is too big to be messing with peelply on the bottom. Sides, definitely. I'll be doing mine in three steps, keel first, bottom and then the sides. I don't think I can manage it myself any other way.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:20 pm
by colinhart
Rick With someone mixing and one person laying up we found we could do 2 full lengths at a time and after that we wus knackered. I was using 17oz triaxial so it used a lot of epoxy but it was hard work working on the top of the boat especially as we had limited headroom best of luck Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:23 pm
by colinhart
Also meant to say tried using peel ply but didnt have much luck its a long way to lean across when doing the bottom of the hull at the widest point so we gave up and sanded next day

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:10 pm
by vla
colinhart wrote:Also meant to say tried using peel ply but didnt have much luck its a long way to lean across when doing the bottom of the hull at the widest point so we gave up and sanded next day
Colin,

I do not use peel ply. Ordinary light sanding and then the next layer. The only time I sand of more is when the last layer is stitched, such as the biax. Then you sand the stitch wire, otherwise you have problems with air bubbles under the laminate.
Sanding has become my passion :)

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fella's.

I've had really good results with the peelply. When you can use it. I see the bottom as virtually impossible to get it on. The reach is just too much. I will use it on the keel, that'll be easy and definitely on the sides. I've only had one failure and that wasn't related to the peelply, just not enough epoxy.

I'm just a little nervous. It'll be just me and the wife doing it. The epoxy metering pump helps a lot as long as you remember to keep both reservoirs filled! :oops:

I'd say that sanding hasn't become my passion Allard. I don't mind it but I'm not nuts about it. Just another one of those grunt jobs that you just have to knuckle down and get it done. I do intend to spend a lot more time and care on the visible parts! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:51 pm
by TRC886
Hang in there...it'll turn out great :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:55 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Personally I vote for PeelPly (actually we used EconoPly, but this is very similar).It saves time the next day, it yields a rough but even surface so there are less problems with air bubbles when applying the next layer and I have the impression that helps keeping the ratio glass/epoxy high. I didn't have problems applying the ply on the bottom panels, but I am a tall guy. Sometimes it helps being tall, sometime this is difficult, like now when we are working inside in small cramped spaces ...
Everybody has to find out what works for him.. Good luck with the glassing!

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding..........
Itching...........
More sanding........
More itching...........
Yet even more sanding.........
And yet even more itching.........

Oh the humanity, will it ever end?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:26 pm
by TRC886
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sanding..........
Itching...........
More sanding........
More itching...........
Yet even more sanding.........
And yet even more itching.........

Oh the humanity, will it ever end?
Have you tried dusting yourself with talcum powder? It's a tip I got from Chief Brody
Wow, no long sleeves or Tyvek suit? I'm amazed you're not cursing at night after the demo work.....You're making alot of progress though!.....When you start grinding I would highly recommend a little more skin protection and lots of talc powder...helps keep the glass dust out of your pores.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:35 pm
by peter-curacao
TRC886 wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sanding..........
Itching...........
More sanding........
More itching...........
Yet even more sanding.........
And yet even more itching.........

Oh the humanity, will it ever end?
Have you tried dusting yourself with talcum powder? It's a tip I got from Chief Brody
Wow, no long sleeves or Tyvek suit? I'm amazed you're not cursing at night after the demo work.....You're making alot of progress though!.....When you start grinding I would highly recommend a little more skin protection and lots of talc powder...helps keep the glass dust out of your pores.
I always use this (afterwards) , little splash bath with this stuff and you are on fire you won't mention the itch any more :D
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:44 pm
by vla
peter-curacao wrote:I always use this, little splash bath with this stuff and you are on fire you won't mention the itch any more :D
Peter! You are cruel! :wink:

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:48 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sanding..........
Itching...........
More sanding........
More itching...........
Yet even more sanding.........
And yet even more itching.........

Oh the humanity, will it ever end?
Rick,

Good news for you! YES! it will end. I only don't know when. In the mean time you can play as a snowman in the summer.
Oh, it is so familiar to me. But please protect yourself (skin and airways).

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Good news for you! YES! it will end. I only don't know when. In the mean time you can play as a snowman in the summer.
Oh, it is so familiar to me. But please protect yourself (skin and airways).
I know it's gotta end sometime Allard. Just seems to go on forever. It's all I've done for the last two weekends. Anyhow, maybe next weekend we'll fiberglass the keel and bottom.

I've got a bunch of those tyvek painters shirts. Got them for $1 off of e-bay. The Admiral is going to cut the sleeves off of some and put some elastic on them. Seems the worst spot I get is the forearms from resting on the boat while I sand. I'd wear the whole shirt but I'd melt. :?

I'll try the talc thing but the mentholated stuff, hmmmm? No thanks! :P

I find Aloe works pretty well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
On a side note, this is the "mimic panel" I designed with Front Panel Express. They give you the software to do the design and submit it to them and they cut it for you. This is the second panel I've had them do for the new boat! Not a big project but still pretty cool! 8)

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Now I gotta get busy and finish the darn boat! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
When it's too hot in the kitchen get the hell out! How hot was it in the boat shed today? This hot!

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That's about $10 worth of epoxy that kicked off within 6 minutes at about 95 degs F! Grrrrrr!

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This stuff gets hot lemme tell ya! I had to rip the glove off and toss the tray outside. It was smokin'!

I started out in the shed this morning about 8:30. It was already about 80 degs F in there but with the fans going full blast it was tolerable. I wanted to get the final layers of tape on the keel.

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Working alone doing this type of job sucks. I had to resort to a lil' 3M Super 77 to keep the tape from blowing around and ending up in the dirt. I know it's not ideal but it's what I had to do.

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Once I got the tape all laid out it was onto the epoxy. I knew I had to work quickly and resorted to the roller instead of the chip brush. Both are messy but the roller a little bit less so. I made it from the bow back a little farther than the tape in the lower section of the pic above. That's when I ran into problems with the epoxy kicking off too quickly. I had two paint trays in rotation because a little uncured epoxy will hasten the curing process. I'd leave one to drip out while using the other. I think I'll need to pick up a couple more trays! *sigh*

Oh well, get an early start on it again tomorrow and see if I can get the rest of the taping done. Then it's onto some really big fiberglass! :wink:

On another side note we took our lil' dinky for her maiden voyage yesterday! Was a lil' worried the Jeep couldn't pull this monstrosity! 8O

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Here we are underway. The Admiral scanning for hazards! Look the other way dear!

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Minn Kota 55lb thrust trolling motor pushed us along at a blistering 3.85 kts at full power. At half power we were doing 2.2-2.5 kts. Time to renew my fishing license methinks!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:13 pm
by Walkers Run
That's about $10 worth of epoxy that kicked off within 6 minutes at about 95 degs F! Grrrrrr!

I keep mine on ice in an old cooler. Makes all the difference in pot life. I have even started keeping the quick fair on ice.
I've never heard of front panel express, that's pretty cool.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:01 am
by colinhart
The epoxy really gets hot when it goes. I purchased a box of two hundred aluminium cottage pie trays from a catering online supplier to use as trays for epoxy and they are just thown away when used. Also I got hold of plastic sleeves for my arms from a medical supply firm this stopped the arms itching when you lean on the surface which us old boys have to do. Looking forward to see your progress Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Good idea Colin. I'll have a look around for those pie trays.

This morning I've been thinking..... This is when Lori always says: "Uh oh!" :roll:

Well I'm always thinking. I'm the idea guy! Straddling the line between genius and insanity I say!

I'm half thinking about revisiting the infusion process for some of this boat hull project. Gotta put some more thought into that. I'll eliminate a lot of issues but also adds some expense and a great potential for disaster! No risk, no reward, correct?

Anywho, this morning I tried filling the little voids left in the tape with straight epoxy. It immediately ran straight out. I think that was my problem. The epoxy just ran out leaving dry tape behind. The peelply should have helped mitigate this actually. So I decided to mix up a batch of "baby puke" (cause that's exactly what it looks like) which is epoxy thickened with micro baloons. It really does look like the stuff Daniel used to spit up all the time! :lol:

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This did a better job and will require just a light sanding before the next layers go over top. There are a few larger voids that'll have to be ground out and repaired.

The tape would just not lay down on some sections. I'm suspecting I got a bad roll of tape. Either got wet or contaminated somehow. Anyhow, no biggie, I ordered another roll from Noah's so we're all set now.

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The keel seams are all taped now. Just a few small parts on the very back of the keel to add some extra material for piece of mind.

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Once this is all setup it's back to the sander to prep the hull for fiberglass! Thank gawd it's been a long haul with a bum knee and the heat. I'm really looking forward to getting the outside done and this thing flipped!

Time to go put my thinkin' cap on and maybe a power nappy! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:41 pm
by colinhart
Had exactly the same problem where the keel narrowed we were trying to bend 17oz triaxial around the edges. Where we had air pockets we ground it out and filled with as you say babies puck and then went over the top of it. Best of luck with the expoxying the hull

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:55 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote: I'm really looking forward to getting the outside done and this thing flipped!
Rick,

The big flip, an unnerving moment. But when it's over .... fantastic! That is truly a time to celebrate. I hope you quickly finished the outside ready to celebrate that moment.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm going to be counting on your guys for moral support when the big flip moment arrives! Well your moral support and maybe some liquid courage! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:Well your moral support and maybe some liquid courage! :wink:
I can sent you a bottle of green rum if you want! :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:Well your moral support and maybe some liquid courage! :wink:
I can sent you a bottle of green rum if you want! :P
Green rum? Sounds Irish! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:08 pm
by vondel44
Hi. I've tried to get in touch with you. I'm living in The Netherlands and plan to build the 28 in strip planking. From Allard, whom I visited I heard that you've lenghtened the hull. Maybe you have discussed this on the forum, but didn't see it. I would like to know what problems you have encountered, what your solutions were to overcome differences. Did you , for instance, keep the rear and front the same and just a piece in the middle? How long is the extension?
Gr.,
Simon Prins
sprins.1@home.nl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vondel44 wrote:Hi. I've tried to get in touch with you. I'm living in The Netherlands and plan to build the 28 in strip planking. From Allard, whom I visited I heard that you've lenghtened the hull. Maybe you have discussed this on the forum, but didn't see it. I would like to know what problems you have encountered, what your solutions were to overcome differences. Did you , for instance, keep the rear and front the same and just a piece in the middle? How long is the extension?
Gr.,
Simon Prins
sprins.1@home.nl
Hi Simon

You pretty much hit it exactly. What I did was duplicate Frame E and add the same spacing between it and Frame F which I believe is 39-1/8" (sorry working from standard plans) or approx. 1 meter. I cut filler pieces that length and a little oversized the other dimension (to be trimmed later). The hull sides and bottom were relatively easy. The keel was a little more difficult and required a bit more trimming due to the curve in the keel. I essentially stitched all the long panels together then located where Frame E was from the plans and cut them all in half. Then added in the splices and taped them all back up. I did the same for the cabin roof and side panels. When I built the strongback I just added in Frame E2 at the proper spacing. I let the long panels define the curve of the sides and bottom. The sides worked out really well. The bottom panels wanted to flatten out so I had to add shims between them and the strongback frame. I still ended up with a bit of a flat spot on the bottom but I don't think it's going to be an issue.

The biggest problem I had wasn't to do with the lengthening of the panels but withe the kerfs on the wrong side (outside) of one panel causing it to bend and break. It took a lot of ratcheting and clamping to get it into a somewhat natural curve.

If you decide to go this route just be careful to make sure your panels are a bit oversized in height to be trimmed later and that your cuts are square. The keel will require some extra epoxy filler to get a nice smooth transition along it's entire length.

Here you can see the spliced in section on a side panel.

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Here you can see the panels being assembled. The oversized splice is at the near end.

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This is a shot of the bottom. You can easily make out the splices on this panel. Exactly square splices are critical. I had one that was a fraction out and that magnifies itself over the length and I had a small fitment error at the bow. I recut the panel and straightened it out. I did that right on the strongback.

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Here you can see the splice in the keel. Along the top edge you can see the added filler I mentioned earlier.

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I used a long batten to scribe a nice smooth curve and trimmed all the oversized parts.

All this "fly by the seat of my pants" modifications will make the boat 2" wider at mid beam. All the side decks will have to be custom cut to fit as I go along. There's going to be a fair amount of that as I assemble the cabin sides and roof. That's the downside of modifying the design this way.

Anyhow, that's how I'm doing it. It may not be the correct way but it's too late to change direction now. I think it'll turn out ok!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:31 pm
by chicagoross
Rick, you're a brave man to have added two feet into the middle of a round, v-bottomed, hollow keeled hull 8O ! I'm glad it worked out, I wouldm't have trusted myself for that mod. Were there any anxious moments after you started hanging all those expensive panels when you wondered if it was going to work?

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:00 am
by fodrega
Rick, you are "THE GUY".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
chicagoross wrote:Rick, you're a brave man to have added two feet into the middle of a round, v-bottomed, hollow keeled hull 8O ! I'm glad it worked out, I wouldm't have trusted myself for that mod. Were there any anxious moments after you started hanging all those expensive panels when you wondered if it was going to work?
It's a very blurry line between bravado and stupidity Ross! :wink:

I sat down with a nav arc at work and discussed it before I did anything. He said it's common to cut boats in half and add in length. Now he's an expert with large steel ships but I trusted his intuition on this one. After explaining all the pro's and con's of it I decided to give it a shot. If it doesn't work out I can always cut it out right? :? I did draw out all the extended panels in AutoCad so I had a pretty good idea it was going to work.

I've had plenty of those "what the hell have I gotten myself into" moments and there's likely to be a few more before I'm done.

Flipping 33' long panels when only one side of the seams fiberglassed was tricky. I had to build a spreader bar and clamped 1/3's on both sides of the lifting edge so the seams wouldn't break when I lifted them. I did it all by myself with my trusty 1500 lb electric winch. I couldn't have done it without the winch.

Re:

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Rick, you are "THE GUY".
My wife has another name for me Fabio and it's not "The Guy" :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:56 pm
by vondel44
Thank you Rick for your prompt reply. When I read your post it seems to me I can do it to.
I did not understand the reason you lenghtened, what do you do with the space
The waterline is another story, I guess it will appear after a couple of weeks in the water. I have the idea about the keel to make it on the floor and put it up later, because it might ease the glassing, two layers of 650 gr UD laid 45/45. Not sure yet.
My planning is to build in cedar strip planking, lots of work,but this will avoid your struggle with the panels. I'm thinking of giving the side of the hull a slight rounding and also round the sharp edge between bottom and side so the glass will flow better.
I think I will test this in advance on a small piece.
Do you know anyone going for a hybrid setup??
G., Simon

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vondel44 wrote:Thank you Rick for your prompt reply. When I read your post it seems to me I can do it to.
I did not understand the reason you lenghtened, what do you do with the space
The waterline is another story, I guess it will appear after a couple of weeks in the water. I have the idea about the keel to make it on the floor and put it up later, because it might ease the glassing, two layers of 650 gr UD laid 45/45. Not sure yet.
My planning is to build in cedar strip planking, lots of work,but this will avoid your struggle with the panels. I'm thinking of giving the side of the hull a slight rounding and also round the sharp edge between bottom and side so the glass will flow better.
I think I will test this in advance on a small piece.
Do you know anyone going for a hybrid setup??
G., Simon
The extra space in the main cabin will allow us to bring the galley up and it'll also allow us to have two helm chairs facing forward. The space below normally occupied by the galley will be made into extra storage and a space for the icemaker, air conditioner and lockers.

I would think if you're planning to cedar strip the hull you'll need to at least double the forms on the strongback. Otherwise you might end up with a lot of bowing across the gaps and your hull will have that "starved pony" look.

Any opportunity to work at ground level with gravity on your side is good on a boat this size. I glassed all the bulkheads and underside of the cabin roof while I had the long table setup and gravity working for me instead of having to work overhead.

I think there's a fast launch or lobster boat that's being (or is done) with an electric drive. I can't put my finger on it at the moment.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:15 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:I think there's a fast launch or lobster boat that's being (or is done) with an electric drive. I can't put my finger on it at the moment.
The FL26 with the electrical drive: FL26 build in Friesland.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:09 pm
by vondel44
Thanks Rick, Allard, Most informative project the FL 26, going electric
Rick, do you have a layout for your boat, the idea of bringing the galley up is a good idea, while building our trimaran the same idea was of value, the contact with the cockpit and the people was easier. Have to think about it. Spudpole, lengthening, hybrid,... easy to build, they say
( while typing I was listening to Gillian Welch, Revival.like that,allowed, such a remark??)

The FL26 with the electrical drive: FL26 build in Friesland.

Allard[/quote]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
I don't remember building in a skylight! 8O

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Winds were gusting to 65 km/h this morning and ripped this section of the shrink wrap off the roof!

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In hind sight I wish I had used something different to cover the shed. This will definitely be a PITA to fix. Gotta wait till the weather lets up though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hovering fiberglass! :wink:

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Seams all sanded. Just taking a break waiting for my help to arrive to do the shed repair. I should get to glassing the keel sometime this week.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Well this is it. Swallowing the anchor. After 32 yrs in the coast guard I walk down the gangway for the last time.

Now let the fun begin! Full time boat builder! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:23 am
by Cracker Larry
Congrats, and thanks for your long service to the country :D

When one door closes, another one opens. Enjoy retirement :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Larry

Seems like it was just yesterday I was walking up the gangway for the first time. Life certainly is too short to be messing with cheap production boats! Let's get to it!!!

Ok got a question. I'm about to lay on the three layers of cloth on the keel. Two are heavy biaxial and one 10 oz plain weave. What's the best way to do it? Lay them all out and goop them all at the same time? Lay out one, goop it, lay out the second, goop it and then the third?

It's a real pain in the butt doing this alone. I'll have an epoxy mixer type when I get to that stage but handling the big sheets of fabric are a little tricky. I've got the first layer of biax on the keel and trimmed.

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It's doubled on the bottom as per build manual. So should I go ahead and lay out the second layer, trim it and set it aside or leave it in place? Guess that's the same question really as my first.

Any hints, tips etc. are greatly appreciated.

Feels good being a full time boat builder now! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:44 pm
by tech_support
Lay out one, goop it, lay out the second, goop it and then the third?
that is the way I would go, you cant really wetout more than one layer of biax at a time. Also, excess epoxy from first layer will help wet out second, and same for the last layer. All three layers, wet on wet

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Joel

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:50 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm with Joel. I'd have them all pre-cut and ready, but wet them out one at a time. That's a huge project to glass alone :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:59 pm
by tech_support
yeah, you need a mixing assistant for that one :)

I would mix about a quart at a time, pour it right out and move it around with a roller or spreader. I try not to get each square foot 100% perfect right away, I wet out a section then move to the next. I go back later to add more epoxy if some places are starved. Don't be shy with using a lot of epoxy on the first layer, you will be surprised how much epoxy will come through to wet out the second layer. One the second layer, use a finned laminating roller to consolidate the laminate.

I think this is one of the most fun parts of building :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:28 pm
by cali123
When I glassed my XF20 it took 3 guys. One to mix and two to roll and squeegee the epoxy. Even with a good crew it took a 12-14 hour marathon day to get the whole boat done. The temp was 74 degrees and I used slow hardener. Good luck and congratulations on your retirement. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:39 pm
by colinhart
good luck in the retirement since I have retired I have never been busier cant fit it all in. Good luck in the epoxying I think you will need 2 My daughter laid up the epoxy and I mixed ,the problem could be the temp. If your on your own it may go off before you finish wetting out. If you were'nt 7000 miles away I would pop over and give you a hand.
Went to the Southhampton boat show last week wish I was rich.
Decided to go soley diesel no gas saw a diesel heater and also a diesel oven and hob have you ever used this type
hope it goes ok Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Fella's

This things a monster. I have at least two or three "What the hell have I gotten myself into" moments every time I'm in the shed! :wink:

Even with the wife mixing we're going to do this in three steps, keel, bottom then the sides. It may not be ideal but it's the best we can do. When we did the cabin roof she mixed and I rolled. It worked pretty good. The only difference this time is the layers and the climb up on top of the boat. We'll just get in a rhythm and it'll be done!

Tomorrow I'll cut out the rest of the panels and set them aside. See if I can scrape up a few more hands for Sunday epoxy session.

I made a command decision. Seeing as it's my first day of retirement I'm getting serious. Serious about a nap! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:52 pm
by vla
shine wrote: that is the way I would go, you cant really wetout more than one layer of biax at a time. Also, excess epoxy from first layer will help wet out second, and same for the last layer. All three layers, wet on wet
Rick,
First, I wish you all the best with your new profession as boatbuilder.
I did it alone, mixing and wetting out the layers. It can be done. I did two layers at a time. What helped, I cut the length of glass and rolled it onto a roll. In that way you can handle those big pieces of glassfibre a lot easier. Just roll of one or two meters. It is also easy to adjust the direction. And you can do the same with the second layer. So I could do the two layers meter by meter just after each other and still having a dry floor to stand on, or to work from.
I hope you understand what I mean. When I read this back it seems rubbish.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:25 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Enjoy your retirement. Lots of building time, I am jealous....
It will be a pleasure to follow you progress.
We were lucky to have a few friends helping with the glassing, hope you can get some help. It is fun to do..

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words Peter & Allard. I'm really looking forward to retirement and being able to tinker with this boat full time (or just when I feel like it!) :wink:

I get what you're saying Peter about doing a meter at a time. I think that's the way I'm going to do it. Makes sense. I'll still try to get some extra hands but if not I can do it. It'll just take a bit longer but I've got plenty of time now.

PS. I highly recommend afternoon naps! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You friggin' guys on here make it look easy! Like hell! Six hours on top of the boat today and I only got one half of the keel epoxied. Up and down, up and down! I feel like I've been rode hard and put away wet! ;-)

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I had a hard time getting the heavy fabric to lay over the curves and ended up with some bridging. I'll sand those out and fill them. I don't suspect it'll affect the structure at all. I just don't want any voids in the laminates. My second gaff was having to change epoxy brands mid way! I thought I'd have enough of the old stuff in the metering pump to get the job done! NOT! This monster sucks up epoxy like a drunken sailor with a keg 'o swish! I figure I used two full gallons on just the bottom and one side of the keel. That equated into about two dozen trips up and down the ladder to mix epoxy. *sigh* At least my bum knee is getting a good workout.

I ordered some 1208 0/90 but they sent 45/45 *sigh*. I had to cut the second layer to go on at a 45 deg angle. Makes for more work. :roll:

I don't think I'll tackle the rest tomorrow. Taking some friends out for brunch so that'll screw most of the day and I intend to goof off the rest of the day. It'll mean a couple hour sanding session before I can get the rest of the layers on. Oh well. That's the best I can do working alone.

I thought the bugs were bad 'nuff now it's freakin' aliens I gotta scrape off the grill! :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:06 pm
by vla
Rick,

I get the feeling that there is some frustration involved :) . Do not! Keep the goal in mind and that is: a beautiful boat :!: .
That you use much epoxy resin is not unusual. The quantities mentioned in the plans are optimistic. I estimate that I already used about 450 kg of epoxy resin and hardener. I know, I am an amateur builder and therefore use more epoxy.
Take a deep breath and continue, the reward is great!

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:I get the feeling that there is some frustration involved :)
vla wrote:Take a deep breath and continue, the reward is great!
Thnx for the advice Allard. I knew this was a big job going in. I think most of my frustration comes form messing up my knee and the lack of mobility it's left me with. I should have gone to physiotherapy but didn't. I knew I only had a few months work left and felt obligated to go back to work and not take sick leave. (I had enough sick leave to take a year and a half off). Doh! Don't tell the wife I admitted that. But it looks like physio this winter or maybe surgery to fix my knee.

I intend to take a big deep breath and goof off all day tomorrow then back at it on Thurs. Stand by! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:41 pm
by Hope2float
Rick now is not the time to panic as shultz said. Take each step easy that is alot of boat. One tip is that before you lay the bottom layers of glass atop of the cured glass mix woodflour blend a little creamy and fill the weave to eliminate air underneath. I didn't do this from lack of experience so I spent two weeks with a carbide tipped 1/8 inch ball in a dremel to grind the 6 million little air bubbles. Cracker Larry informed me of the correct way to do it. now I do it as part of the process if I can't get it wet on wet. I would do one layer at a time. As the pros suggest It will take a little more time to progress through the hull, but it will be wet on wet and it will use less epoxy. Method I think is mix, pour, spread wait a few minutes add some to dry areas and use the aluminum finned roller. This way when it cures hard you can heat with propane torch and wire brush goo off and it's as good as new. The roller that is. CL please verify what I said is good or overide my imput. Just trying to help, that is alot of boat. My 21 brought me to my knees.
Dave

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:42 pm
by cape man
This monster sucks up epoxy like a drunken sailor with a keg 'o swish!
That goes on the wall of boat building quotes! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lookin' good though!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
I'm not happy with the results of the other day's epoxy session. I'm going to put boat building on hold for awhile. Hopefully by the spring my knee will be better and my mobility not as restricted. I'll also go looking for a helper who doesn't want $50/hr, retirement and medical benefits and a company car.

I'm making a lot of amateurish mistakes and that really bugs me because I know better but get in a rush to get through a job and end up wasting about $300-400 in materials.

So aside form a little sanding and filling that's all that's going to get done to the boat this year. Don't be disappointed. I'm not. I knew this was a big project and underestimated the amount of physical effort involved. Time to just step back a little and reassess the situation. It's not a race and we'll be back in the spring. Thanks for looking in.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:20 pm
by colinhart
I am really sorry to hear that you are having a break I look forward to reading your blogs each day. Hope the knee is ok with surgery, the weather will be closing in soon so it wont be too bad just get ready for the spring all the best Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
Rick, after building several much smaller boats, I understand the magnitude of that project 8O Which is why I'm not building one :lol: I don't think I could do it by myself. I sure do admire anyone who does. It's not a race, you'll get it done and we'll be here 8)

Sometimes you just have to walk away from it for a while. Perspectives changes with time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:27 pm
by vla
Rick,

You are right, it is not a race. I think you made the right choise, health first. Caanot you move to the Netherlands? Then i can help :)

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:03 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

As they say ' reculer pour mieux sauter'. BB is great fun and should stay fun.
I hope you can rapidly solve all health issues and I am looking forward to see you back at work 'en force' during spring.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx for the kind words fella's. Larry, if any one could build this boat it'd be you and it'd be a beauty too!

Ever wonder what a $1000 worth of epoxy looks like?

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I had to move it all inside for the winter. Spent part of the last few days getting everything buttoned up and put away. Just got one more small tear to patch in the plastic on the shed and we should be good to go. It's going to be a long winter. Luckily we've got ten days in Mexico in Jan/Feb to break up the doldrums of all the snow!

See the sawbones on Friday to see what can be done for my knee. Right now I'd go for an artificial one if I could get it next week! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:33 pm
by cape man
Like the other guys said...take it easy and come back at it when you're ready. Wish you lived nearby. I already have good health and retirement, and really want to see you splash that boat. She'll sit there and wait for you, so don't sweat it. Have a great winter :help: :help: :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Mother Nature's been wreaking havoc with my shed these past few weeks. Yesterday she decided to remove a pretty good sized chunk of the roof. 8O

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The shed's survived higher winds, gusts yesterday were likely 40 kts. Don't know why it let go this time. There were no obvious rips that the wind could have gotten under. Time to get the ladders out! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:50 am
by fodrega
Hy Rick, I´m looking some William Garden boat plans, very nice.
Fabio.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hy Rick, I´m looking some William Garden boat plans, very nice.
Fabio.
Hi Fabio

He produced some very nice looking boats. You can see how his designs influences a lot of the Pacific Northwest boat builders. Which plan are you interested in?

Got the shed fixed up. Hopefully it'll hold through the winter.

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Just have to tape up the bottom edge and it's done. *fingers crossed*

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:38 am
by fodrega
Hi Fabio

He produced some very nice looking boats. You can see how his designs influences a lot of the Pacific Northwest boat builders. Which plan are you interested in?

I´m interested in "king fisher 42" or Joey, a 42 trawler.

Fabio.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
-27C out there this morning fella's! Time to break out the long sleeve shirts! :wink:

Well the shed repair seems to be holding up pretty well. The battens hold a bit more snow up there than before.

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Looking forward to getting back to it in the spring. Doesn't appear I'm going to be able to get my knee fixed this winter, damned socialized medicine. :?

Hope you all had a healthy and happy holiday season. Looking forward to hearing all your boat building and fishing adventures in the new year.

Rick & Lori

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:12 am
by colinhart
Its great to hear from you again hope you had a great Christmas I managed to get the shaft in before it got too cold will post some pictures soon . Will your health let you start soon all the best Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Its great to hear from you again hope you had a great Christmas I managed to get the shaft in before it got too cold will post some pictures soon . Will your health let you start soon all the best Colin
Hey Colin

Looking forward to seeing new pics from your project. We're going to spend 10 days on the Mayan Riviera at the end of this month (for medicinal purposes only :wink: ) then I'm going to have to do an end run around my family doc and go straight to a specialist to see if I can get my knee fixed. If I can't get it done it won't stop me from going back to work on the boat. I think I have a couple of volunteers lined up to help out with some of the heavy fiberglass work. Once that's done we can flip the hull and I'm good to go from then on.

Keep posting updates!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:03 pm
by vla
Rick,

Good to read from you. Good to read you haven't lost the spirit. Wish a good holiday and that the specialist have a solution for your knee. Best wishes for you and the admiral.

Its is also good to see that the TW28 builders are on the first page again.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's

Just back from 12 wonderful days in sunshiny Ole' Mexico! What a wonderful place (Playa Del Carmen). The 40 Deg C shift in temps (in the wrong direction) were hard on the body coming back to a major snowstorm. :-(

Two days before we departed for Mexico Mother Nature decided she needed to shred my boat shed all to crap!

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We had some 35 Kt winds and it got really cold (-35C). I hadn't noticed the damage after the wind till my neighbor called me up to tell me what happened. I can't normally see this part of the shed when I pull in the driveway. For future reference don't use shrink wrap plastic on boat sheds. It'll last a year and a bit and that's about it.

Didn't have a whole lotta time to fix it up and no way we could put more shrink wrap on it so it was a blue tarp repair. I don't like using them but had no choice this time.

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So far it seems to be holding up. We had a major dump of snow when a Nor Easter met a Prairie Clipper just as we were getting back from Mexico. We were lucky our flight wasn't diverted and the trusty ole' Jeep got us home. The only problem was a big rig had decided to plow through the median and jackknife in our lanes. We got the driver looked after and called for help then got back on our way.

I spent a good part of my time in Mexico absorbing the local culture (and tequila) and dreaming of boat building. :wink:

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I'm ready to go, bring on the warm weather!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:30 pm
by vla
Rick,

I posted some pictures of the bow truster in my album.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:Rick,

I posted some pictures of the bow truster in my album.

Allard
That's pretty cool Allard. Thanks.

Just waiting for some warmer weather. -29C here yesterday with the wind chill! Brrr!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
*Yawn!*

The long hibernation is over. Looks like spring is here finally! Temps are still a bit chilly but improving daily.

Was out in the shed today to see how everything survived. Other than some ply fell over everything's fine. The ground is still pretty wet so it'll be a week or so before I can get working again (if the knee lets me). Have an appointment with the family Doc next Thurs to get a referral to a specialist. There's no way I'll ever finish this boat, without a lot of pain, unless I can get it fixed. So much for quick & efficient socialized medicine, I've been trying to get this referral for 8 months.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:47 am
by Cracker Larry
Good luck with it, Rick. Glad to see you're out of hibernation :D
So much for quick & efficient socialized medicine, I've been trying to get this referral for 8 months.
:( Coming soon to a country near us.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:51 am
by wegcagle
Coming soon to a country near us.
Don't worry too much Larry. If insurance companies keep cutting their reimbursements and increasing their denials, then we may have to take medicine back to the bartering system.

Hell, I wouldn't mind it at all. One visit=1 chicken. If you need medicine then we are talking goats. If I have to do surgery on you, then you'll have to cough up a cow or horse. No animals, then I happily accept land. No land, then just pay me what you can, if you can, when you can. :D

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:38 am
by Irish
Hi Rick,
Glad to hear you got through the winter. Hope it is over it has dragged on this year. I am close to you near "Guelph". I still have snow around my shed and like you can't wait to get at it again.
Keep well and hang in there :) :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:20 pm
by Corto Maltese
I hope you'll cure faster in your shed, than waiting for the spring on the couch. We have the longest winter for the last 130 years in this part of Europe (not much better in Britain). There is snow outside, even though we're less than 100km from Mediterranean coast - and damage in the vineyards and orchards. Nevertheless - next week we'll start again with our build in spite of all!
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Sending some snowdrops for your wife.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas. It's been awhile.

Mother Nature's till playing some dirty tricks on us but that's not going to stop me from getting this project underway again.

Last fall I wrote about some problems I was having with filling gaps in tape. I also got a bit ahead of myself last fall and pushed too hard to try to make some progress before the weather got too cold to work. Anywho, I've got a bit of a mess to fix this year. I've removed the glass I had planned to use on the keel and will buy some new stuff. The old will still be used inside the keel so it's not a loss. Anywho, here's the issues I'm having.

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This shows the course weave tape and the gaps I'm left with. I've had a little success mixing up some epoxy with filler to get it into the gaps. The other voids I'm not exactly sure what to do with. Do I just grind the top off and try to fill them or grind them all the way back to the plywood and stick in a patch?

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This view shows the fabric on the keel. I don't know what caused the voids. Maybe offgassing but when I wetted out the fabric it was thoroughly saturated. It was a bit on the cool side when I did it, maybe 65 deg F or so and slow hardener. I did notice a few spots where the resin ran out of the fabric and left some areas dry. Anywho, same question, do I just grind the tops off the voids and fill or go right down to the plywood?

Thanks for your help.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:03 pm
by vla
Rick,

Bad luck. I would grind those voids out. I think the glass you used was to heavy. I think it slipt away durring curing. I had also some of those spots. Filling them leaves a bump. What is weigt of the glass you are going to use?

For me the comstruction time is over. Sanding and primer for the superstructure. I feel some regret.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Allard

That was 1708 as per lamination schedule.

I'll be using the extra heavy stuff on the bottom. I've had no problems with it at all.

Looking forward to seeing pics of your project.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding and grinding. Story of my life. :? Should be ready for next layer on the keel this week.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:47 am
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:Sanding and grinding. Story of my life. :?
Prepare yourself.......... This is only the beginning! :wink:
Still many wonderful hours to go.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx for the advice Allard. I am preparing! :wink:

In the immortal words of Tim The Tool Man Taylor: "More Power"

My old air compressor just couldn't cut the mustard so I upgraded.

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I have a whole bunch of air tools including sanders but could never use them with the old compressor.

Productivity should go up now!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:36 am
by peter-curacao
Sweet!!! ,Argh, argh, argh 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Update: Got another layer of glass on the keel yesterday. Had a kid from next door helping. He jumped right in! 8) It was over 80 degs in the shed so we had to work quickly. I can see how a third set of hands would have been a great help. Two rolling and one mixing.

Will be prepping the bottom for glass this week so more sanding ahead. Small steps but hopefully they're in the right direction.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 12:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
2 hrs sanding with the 6" pneumatic RO vs 6 hrs with the 5" electric RO. Hmmmm? Used up about the same number of discs.

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The operation was a success but the patient died! :lol:

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The larger air compressor and RO sanders were a good investment. I've got a couple hours sanding on the other side then I'll be laying down the glass for the bottom. I'd like to be able to work wet on wet but it's just not possible doing it myself even with a helper. I can live with it.

It's about 80 degs in the shed now. Time for a siesta then back at it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:27 pm
by tobolamr
Congratulations on getting back at 'er!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 11:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
Some carbon fiber (Saertex) added to the keel and area where the rudder port will be. I had the material and nothing planned for it so I thought these areas could benefit from a little extra reinforcement.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
I think working in that blue light would drive me crazy :help: :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:I think working in that blue light would drive me crazy :help: :P
I thought being a lil' crazy was a prerequisite for wanting to build one's own boat Larry! :lol:

It just looks bluer in pictures.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:59 pm
by cape man
Better?

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 1:53 pm
by vla
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Cracker Larry wrote:I think working in that blue light would drive me crazy :help: :P
I thought being a lil' crazy was a prerequisite for wanting to build one's own boat Larry! :lol:
You are right, most certainly an (extended) TW28 :lol: :lol:

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:Better?
Absolutely! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 3:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote:
You are right, most certainly an (extended) TW28 :lol: :lol:
I've had quite a few of those: "What the heck was I thinking?" moments let me tell you! :?

Here's one half of one half of the bottom fiberglass laid out. Lori and I cut and traced this two years ago when we had the 32' long table setup in the shed. For the love of Mercy I don't know why we didn't do both sides! *sigh*

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We'll trace this one as a template onto another roll of glass. This is the quadaxial 33 oz fabric I bought. It works well and takes up epoxy like a sponge. We used some on the cabin roof and the bulkheads. It's nice to work with as long as the panels are flat or relatively flat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:12 pm
by cape man
33 oz fabric

YOUCH!! Soak up some epoxy it will!! She will be a tough boat for sure!

By the way...been off the forum for a while doing other things. Amazing what you are getting done and it looks top notch.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Cape Man. The kind words are encouraging.

Here it is laid out. Approx. 10 yds. Should suck up about 3 gallons of epoxy.

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Hope to get that done tomorrow then onto the other side on Sunday.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:32 pm
by MarkOrge
KB - looks like you are a few hours east of me - give me a shout if you are going to be in the Toronto area. I always have ice cold beer in the garage, especially this time of year :D

That is going to be one nice cruiser when you are done !

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:13 am
by Corto Maltese
Cross my fingers for successful lamination!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:Cross my fingers for successful lamination!
It went ok. I probably shouldn't have done it all by myself though. :?

11 yds of 33 oz fabric is a bugger to wet out. It took almost 11 hours, 4 1/2 gallons of epoxy, 12 pairs of latex gloves, 2 roller sleeves plus the other expendables. I apologize for the crappy cell phone pic.

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I know I was going to have a problem with bridging with this heavy material so I faired out some of obvious spots. Missed a few so I'll have a few voids to deal with. I'll have some prep work to do on the other side before I start that. Mostly runs and some epoxy spills. Not looking forward to it but there's more room to work on that side of the boat so it should be easier.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
For those that can't tolerate the 'Blue Hue' here's a monochrome pic of today's efforts.

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It's hard to illustrate all the sanding and wiping that went into prepping the surface for the next fiberglassing session. I suspect it'll take me another 11 hrs to do this side. Hoping for a little warmer weather. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:11 pm
by Cracker Larry
I can only imagine the work involved in a boat that big. I almost started one a few years back and got scared, or came to my senses. Sure glad I didn't. Toasting a rum drink to you and admiring your stubborn, that's all I can do from here. Dangitman, that's a big boat :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:I can only imagine the work involved in a boat that big. I almost started one a few years back and got scared, or came to my senses. Sure glad I didn't. Toasting a rum drink to you and admiring your stubborn, that's all I can do from here. Dangitman, that's a big boat :help:
Thanks Larry

If anyone could build a biggun' it's you! Your boats are works of art. I wish I had half your skills. I don't believe building a smaller boat first would have prepared me at all for a project this size.

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A lot of people ask why we stretched it. Well that's pretty simple. The Admiral insisted that if this was going to be a long distance cruiser she wanted her own comfy seat. So we needed space so we could do something like this with the twin helm chairs.

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The added space below decks would be for more fuel/freshwater/holding tanks. We're hoping this boat will be able to take us from the Great White North in the fall to much warmer climates. We'll be able to carry 116 gallons of diesel, 88 gallons fresh water and 62 gallons holding/grey water tanks. Sticking to the ICW we should be fine pretty much anywhere we want to go.

Thanks again. Your comments are always an inspiration to continue.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Big difference having an extra set of hands mixing the epoxy!!! My buddy Andrew N came over and gave me a hand today. Start to finish took 6 hrs. I was able to spend more time fairing out the tape seams which helped a lot. There's virtually no bubbles in this side.

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The differences this time were:
1. Extra hands mixing so I didn't have to sprint up and down the ladder to mix my own
2. Warmer. About 70 degs F which is ideal for this type of work
3. Spent more time on details and was able to bust bubbles as I went
4. Wasn't rushing to get it done before I collapsed

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I'll have to check but I think we used the same amount of epoxy. I stuck with the smaller roller this time. It worked fine and allowed me to get those nasty little bubbles as I went. So that's layer 1 on the bottom. I've got 3 more to put on the keel then the 10 oz on the bottom. I'll likely do a little fairing on this layer before I put down the 10 oz. There's also some more carbon fiber to go on the chines.

Shower time!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
12+ hrs sanding over the last two days. Just a bit more to finish up then I'll start to hang the glass on the sides. My buddy Peter is coming from Montreal on Wednesday to help with the glassathon. Peter launched his Bolger Windemere last year.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'd have to say that Peter is a much better conversationalist than the cats who usually hang out with me in the boat shed!

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Here's the Lenihan in his native environment. I really think he's missed sanding since completing his own boat. He didn't even bother to change out of his street clothes before he went right to work!

Enamored with my air sander he pointed out all the oversights in my own sanding. Aye, Master I am still but a grasshopper!

30 Second Video Clip

http://s237.photobucket.com/user/Knotty ... D.mp4.html

I had ordered 25 yds of 1808 biaxial fabric for the sides and transom. Well, as you can likely guess the roll was 1 1/2 yds short so after cutting the two sides off the roll there wasn't enough for the transom. Plan B called for some 22 oz Basalt fabric I had on hand. It looks a lot like carbon fiber but is more like glass. Lighter and stronger and workable just like fiberglass.

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Peter was a little unsure of this new material, the dark color doesn't show you when it's wetted out properly. Call in the Peel Ply.

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For those of you not familiar with peel ply it's a nylon (or other synthetic fabric) that is laid over top of the fiberglass (Basalt) and squeegeed out. It will reveal areas where more epoxy is required. When cured the fabric is pulled off (peeled) which leaves a sharp textured surface that's ready for painting or whatever without sanding.

So it was a good day in the boat shed. Didn't get all done that I would have liked but it's quality work and there was some good conversation. Doesn't get much better than that!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
quality work and there was some good conversation. Doesn't get much better than that!
Tipping a cup to that 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
Was working along sanding the edges in prep for the side cloth. It's hard getting rid of the shiny areas the 33 oz fabric leaves such a deep and course texture. A few more hours and it'll be ready.

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It was going fine till the monsoons hit. Something caught the corner of my eye and it was a paint bucket floating around in circles under the boat! :roll:

Back at it when it dries up a lil' bit.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I was looking for something to take some of the tedium out of sanding the heavy fiberglass.

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This thing is a WMD (Weapon of Mass Disaster) and has no purpose being anywhere near a fiberglass boat! 8O

I peeled back a corner of the peel ply we used over the transom basalt fabric.

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Other than a few minor bubbles it's perfect. The texture left behind is ready for whatever comes next without the need for sanding! I think I'm going to buy another two rolls of peelply. Great stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Port side glass hung. It's 33' 8" including 4" overlap at the bow and stern.

Looking forward
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Looking aft
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Looking forward from the transom
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Looks like it's going to be sticky stuff time tomorrow!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
This mornings task was to build a carrier for my vacuum generator.

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This will allow me to fix the small bubbles in the laminate. I'll drill two holes into each bubble and apply vacuum to one and pour some epoxy into the other. The vacuum will pull the epoxy through the bubble filling it up. I'll give it a try this afternoon.

Yesterday I hung the glass on the starboard side.

Bow looking aft.

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and aft looking forward.

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It's a lot tighter on that side of the shed so it's hard to get a good pic. I wish I had another foot on that side. It'd make life a lot easier.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:50 am
by fodrega
Hi Rick, happy to see you working.
Fabio.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fodrega wrote:Hi Rick, happy to see you working.
Fabio.
Thanks Fabio

How's things with your boat? Catching lots of fish? Post some pictures if you can.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:33 pm
by tobolamr
Nicely done! Glad to see the peelply worked so well for you, too.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
6 1/2 hours
33' 8" of 1808 biaxial fiberglass
3.5 gallons of epoxy
36' of peel ply

Blood sugar down to 4.1 (skipped lunch)

One very pooped ole' fart :wink:

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Still have to standby looking for bubbles etc. especially along the seam near the bottom which I knew was going to be troublesome.

Gotta do it all again tomorrow! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:14 pm
by Cracker Larry
I think I'll have a drink for you. Dang, that makes glassing a GF18 look to be a non-problem :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
My friend Jim came over yesterday to participate in the glassing of the stbd side. An extra set of hands usually means the work progresses much more efficiently. Well Jim's a keener to learn, ex school teacher. He built his 44' Bruce Roberts 20 yrs ago and is a bit of a perfectionist. He wanted to jump right in and learn all about the epoxy/fiberglass/peel ply thing. He was also enthralled with the Sticky Stuff dispenser/mixer! :wink: Anyhow between info sessions, BS sessions and ritual tobacco offerings to the Great Peacemaker we fell a bit behind. 7 1/2 hrs later we only got through 2/3 rds of the side before it got too hot and the epoxy was kicking off in the pan before I could get it rolled out.

Was still getting a bit of bleeding out of the epoxy even though we squeegee'd the crap out of it.

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The result is as good or better than the other side. I'm happy with it. There's no major bubbles along the chine like I experienced on the other side. I mixed in some colloidal silica to thicken the epoxy I used along the bottom/side turn which helped a lot. I still got a few dry spots but nothing major.

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Looks like some more quality time is to be spent with my favorite sander! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The whole week I've been having trouble with my hands. Tingling and numbness in my hands when I'm using the sander and when I was rolling out the epoxy. It got so bad it woke me up in the night a few times. Bit the bullet and saw the Quacker today. Sure 'nuff I've got carpal tunnel syndrome. This was confirmed with an electrical test. :( I don't know how I'm going to deal with this with the amount of sanding etc. I have left on the boat. I'll get some splints for my wrists but I don't know if I'll be able to work much with them on. If it's not one thing it's another. Dammit!

Anybody got experience with this carpal tunnel thing?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:42 pm
by peter-curacao
I'm very sorry to hear that! it sucks but it's not the end of the world or your build as I understood, honestly I never heard of it so I had to look it up,looks like cortison injections helps for a while, but at the end surgery is the way to go to replace that splint as I understand and read it in Dutch literature. Any way good luck man hope they fix you up soon and fast! Please don't let this depress you, you have something good going on there in that blue shed! :wink: 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:43 am
by wegcagle
Yep. Plenty of experience personally and medically. Wear the splints 24/7 for a week or so, then you may be able to just wear them at night. Mine is better having just done this, but don't tough it out too long. The surgery is quick and pretty straightforward (they don't even put you to sleep for it). The surgery will cure the problem. If you try to tough it out too long you'll start to lose muscle mass in your hands... Not a good thing for a boat builder :wink:

Sorry to hear about it, and hope it doen't keep you down too long

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:32 am
by vla
Rick,

What a bad luck you have. Luppie (my wife) had it too. She's been operated upon. A few weeks handicapt but now she is as new. Hold de kop d'r veur ( = something like: keep your head upright)

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:39 pm
by cali123
My right hand started to tingle and go numb about 15 years ago. I tried the splints but they didn't help much. I finally had it fixed about 12 years ago and at that time I think they used an axe to open it up. :roll: It took a bit to heal but is as good as new today. About 6 years ago I had the left one done and the procedure had changed a lot. I only took a week off work ( auto collision repair). My advise is to Git-Er-Done soon because you don't want to risk further nerve damage.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx for the advice guys. I'm hearing this is a common injury with boat builders. I'm firmly convinced this project is going to cripple me in one way or the other! :wink:

I sanded for a couple of hours today. Took frequent breaks. That seemed to help. I pulled the peel ply off Saturday's job on the port side.

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Other than a few very minor bubbles the results were much better. Some slumping of the epoxy in places but nothing a light sanding won't fix.

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I'll dress up the sides then move back up on the bottom for more sanding and bubble repair. I should be laying out the next layers of fabric sometime next week or the week after. Have to order in more epoxy . This pig is sucking it up like a Barrington Street Hooker on a Saturday night! So far I'm into the outside of the hull for 20 gallons.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:48 pm
by vondel44
Hi Rick, I read about your adventures and the changes you have planned, lengthening the boat. I have contacted you before, and got an answer about your approach. But now I read a mail from you, In which you say you will never do a thing like that again. Am I correct? Can you explain some to me? Having the plans, the wood, the epoxy,glass, and having to paint the house first, I may have to adjust my plans. Gr Vondel44 Simon

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
vondel44 wrote:Hi Rick, I read about your adventures and the changes you have planned, lengthening the boat. I have contacted you before, and got an answer about your approach. But now I read a mail from you, In which you say you will never do a thing like that again. Am I correct? Can you explain some to me? Having the plans, the wood, the epoxy,glass, and having to paint the house first, I may have to adjust my plans. Gr Vondel44 Simon
Hi Vondel

I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with the scale of this project and I may have spoken out with a bit of frustration. This is a huge project for a person to attempt alone. If I had a full time helper, experienced, it probably wouldn't be so bad.

If I were to do it again, I'd likely buy the metric plans and scale up the 10% recommended by the designer. He's a much smarter guy than I am!

Will the result be ok? I don't know yet. I suspect I'm in for more than my fair share of grief before this thing is done.

I believe it can be done but I'm not as cocky as I was when I started. I don't want to discourage you but if you want to follow my lead, proceed with extreme care.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I've got RIPPLES!

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These showed up after I removed the peelply from the port side we did on Saturday. I've sanded the tops off of them, do I need to go deeper and totally get rid of them? I'm afraid of going too far and sanding away good fiberglass. It looks like the glass is deep and right against the ply from what I can tell. I did aft end on Sunday and when I removed that peelply there was no sign of any ripples. The main difference, other than Jim not being there is the temperature (abt. 5 degs warmer (low 70's)) and no rain so the shed was dryer. The only other thing I can think of is I didn't squeegee enough.

You can see them again on the right hand side of this pic.

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I started going down the port side with the sander about 10:00 this morning. Didn't quit till 16:30. My hands were throbbing like crazy.

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Nobody's going to do this for me so I had to stick to it. Mostly I was sanding the ripples and feathering the fabric edge along the bottom. Seeing as I ended up having to sand the whole freakin' hull anyways I think I'll forgo the peelply next time.

I got another question. My six inch air RO is my workhorse. I do have a 7" Simoniz variable speed car polisher. I've seen backing pads that'll fit the polisher to make it into a sander. It wouldn't be an RO but a 7 or 8" disc would help speed things along wouldn't it? I don't know if it's worthwhile. The polisher would likely be junk by the time I'm done using it as a sander.

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Hey! Guess what? More sanding tomorrow! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:27 pm
by Cracker Larry
If I was closer I'd come help you. That's a heck of a 1 man project.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:If I was closer I'd come help you. That's a heck of a 1 man project.
What's that old saying? "What doesn't kill you, makes you a cripple!!!" :? Something like that.

Thnx Mr. Cracker I appreciate the sentiment. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:24 pm
by pee wee
A rotary sander can do some quick work, but you've got a polisher. I believe that means it runs at a lower R.P.M. than a sander, so it wouldn't sand as aggressively as a true disc sander would. I'd give it a try if I had that much acreage to cover, though. You don't care about swirl marks at this stage, so a disc sander (like the expensive but respected Festool Rotex sander or one of its more affordable cousins will work well. I've used an 8" disc sander when working on solid surface counter tops, and it worked like a champ. You have to select the right type of pad, and use the optimum grit, and it will take two hands and make clouds of dust, but it will be fast (it can get you into trouble fast, too).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Pee Wee

That's kind of the way I saw it as well. I don't want to wreck my polisher so I'll leave it alone. I can tough it out with the 6" awhile longer.

My first attempt at a boat shed video. I'm sorry, it's not very interesting cinema. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQC24t70UrA

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:45 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote: My first attempt at a boat shed video. I'm sorry, it's not very interesting cinema. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQC24t70UrA
On the contrary I think it's an interesting video, funny in times also, and now I know how peel ply looks like. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:On the contrary I think it's an interesting video, funny in times also, and now I know how peel ply looks like. 8)
Thanks Peter!

The GoPro camera has a very wide angle view. I think it's 140 degs if my memory serves me correctly. The wide angle view can distort perspective but it's the closest I can get to a full view of the boat so far.

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I get the feeling it's going to look a lot bigger when I flip it over! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:39 pm
by sds
I agree with peter: it's a good video. You have a good camera presence. Good reference on the peel ply.

Hope to see the followup.

(You could lose a minute or two of the wetting out. You know: the magic of television.)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
Obviously I'm no expert in destructive testing methods but his is funny!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1_XhVsE ... e=youtu.be

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
I think I'm loosin' it here! I can't get this tune out of my head! :help:

I'm sandin' in the rain
Just sandin' in the rain
What a glorious feelin'
I'm hap hap happy again
I'm laughing at clouds
So dark up above
The sun's in my heart
And I'm ready for fairin' fun
With a happy refrain
I'm just sandin', sandin' in the rain


Oh God, someone help me please! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:44 pm
by Cracker Larry
You've been in the blue room too long :P :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:54 pm
by jacquesmm
From now on, I will hear that song each time I sand fiberglass.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sandin' in the rain! Laa dee daa la de da!

Yeah, too long under the blue tarp I'd say and no rum at that either! :(

I should have rented a floor sander from Home Depot! :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:23 pm
by sds
Gene Kelly could do a number on that hull. With Debbie Reynolds and the other guy.

That would've been something.

Heck. The rockettes could fit on that thing..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I knew I had it somewhere. Just couldn't put my finger on it!

Ever have one of those moments when you're frustrated looking for something and just have to clean out the entire shed? Yup, that was today!

Look what I found!

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Hadn't seen the engine in a couple of years it was covered with stuff. Put the strongbar on it and turned it over a dozen times or so.

Here's the stuff! Got Glass?

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Things are a little more orderly now. :wink: Ordering more epoxy & glass today. Should be back to boat building next week. I think my sander miss's me! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I just updated our Blog and am too lazy to post it here. So if you're interested, or having a hard time getting to sleep you can read it here....

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/07/let- ... begin.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:07 pm
by AtTheBrink
So what are the specs on your prodigal engine? Glad it found its way back home. And that is a ton of glass!! You are ordering more? With that glass you could build 47 of my boat!!!

Love your build!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
AtTheBrink wrote:So what are the specs on your prodigal engine? Glad it found its way back home. And that is a ton of glass!! You are ordering more? With that glass you could build 47 of my boat!!!

Love your build!
Thanks for looking in Mike.

It's a Yanmar 4JH-TE. 55 HP Turbo. We got it used in Rhode Island. Came out of a racing yacht with 300 hrs on it. Had it running before we tucked it away. Runs perfect.

There's almost enough glass there to finish the boat. Almost! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:35 pm
by AtTheBrink
That motor ought to be perfect! And with only 300 hrs on it, it is barely broke in. Great find!

One day I am going to build a big boat, I will be looking to you for advice. The boat is looking great!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
AtTheBrink wrote:One day I am going to build a big boat, I will be looking to you for advice. The boat is looking great!
Two questions:

1. How big?
2. Are you married? :lol:

It's a big undertaking, biggest in my life. We started buying stuff for the boat almost 7 yrs before we started building it. My garden shed is full, the boat shed has a lot of stuff in it and my rec room in the basement is full of stuff. There's even stuff for the boat tucked away under our bed! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The sandinsanity (I just made that up) continues. Six hrs today. The sides are now as smooth as a newborn baby's tookus! :lol:

RIP one Black & Decker half sheet RO sander! It died a horrible death! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
3 1/2 hrs of sandinsanity again this morning. Had to call it quits when the temp reached 35 C or about 95 F. Just prepping the fabric edges along the keel to bottom joint so I don't get any bridging when I lay the next layers over it. Sorry, no pics. I know you're disappointed. I'll try to do better next time so until then here's a random pic. :lol:

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This is one of the durablock pads I have that I used on the large radius fillets.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
49 C or 120 F No matter how you measure it that's "Freakin' Hot!" Throw in a little humidity and you've got a steam cooker!

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The last time I noticed the thermometer in the shed was Saturday. The telltale read 47 C as the highest it's ever been in there. This morning I noticed that's changed to 49 C (120 F). That had to have happened yesterday.

I was hoping to get something done today but in that heat, nope! Five minutes in and I was wringing wet!

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You can't really see it very well in these pics but right below the sanding block there's a seam where two plywood sheets were joined. When I bent the panels around the forms this particular seam bent. It didn't break just deformed a bit. I didn't think it would be that much of an issue but every time I walked by it it bugged me.

This defect is large enough that it'll look like a huge wart if I don't deal with it now. I've sanded it down as much as I dare and the only recourse left is to fill and feather it out.

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You can just make out the high spot in the center where there's no filler. This got machine and block sanded to feather the edges down and smooth the curve.

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This is looking straight on at the repair. The high spot is in the center. You can see the edges of the multiple layers of fill that were added and sanded to build up the area. The long block sander knocks it down quick and I'm left with a very nice smooth curve to the hull now. It took some muscle and patience but I think it's going to be Ok.

I should have my new passport in a week or so then I can go retrieve the 30 gallons of epoxy that's waiting for me in Ogdensburg. If we get a break in the heat it'll be fiberglassin' time again! Wohoo!

The plan is to get the hull ready to be flipped first thing in the spring. If I can do that I'll be happy. We'll likely hire a crane to flip the hull. I want to not only flip it over but turn it 180 degs and put it back in the shed bow in. This will give me much better access to the inside of the hull when it comes time to put the engine in.

Stay cool & Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:45 pm
by MarkOrge
KB - I had the same sharp kind of "hump" at one of my seams on the bottom of my PH18 towards the front. I had to do exactly the same thing. I sure is easier to fill something then to have to feather out either side of a high spot on an outside curve !

Also - if you need a bit of really strong, structural 1/4" material I will likely end up with 1/4 sheet or so of 1/4" Haysite.

Let me know if you are out Toronto way, cell number is four one six - three two zero - five six five three

cheers,

Mark

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:KB - I had the same sharp kind of "hump" at one of my seams on the bottom of my PH18 towards the front. I had to do exactly the same thing. I sure is easier to fill something then to have to feather out either side of a high spot on an outside curve !

Also - if you need a bit of really strong, structural 1/4" material I will likely end up with 1/4 sheet or so of 1/4" Haysite.

Let me know if you are out Toronto way, cell number is four one six - three two zero - five six five three
Hi Mark

Thanks for the offer. I think I have enough 1/4" to finish up. There's not a whole lot of it in the TW28. IIRC I have a full sheet left over.

Are you hunkered down? Tornado warnings in your part of the province today! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
I wish whoever is doing the rain dance would freakin' stop! We got hammered last night! The ole' boat shed took a pounding. :(

http://s237.photobucket.com/user/Knotty ... F.mp4.html

I have visions of it taking off like Dorothy's house in the Wizard of Oz! It's created a few restless nights let me tell ya! I'll be so glad when I can finally take it down.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:09 am
by pee wee
Well at least that should have cooled things down in the shed for a little bit! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:16 am
by peter-curacao
Just curious, what's the pulley system for along site the shed?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Just curious, what's the pulley system for along site the shed?
You'll have to ask the wife Peter. That's her domain! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote:Well at least that should have cooled things down in the shed for a little bit! :lol:
Just drove the humidity up~! Gonna venture out there now to see how it survived the storm. Got more coming this afternoon with tornado warnings! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Supply run successful. 30 Gallons of epoxy from Bateau & 45 yds of 12 oz biax 0/90. $1870 taxes & shipping in.

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I hope that's 'nuff epoxy to finish this thirsty pig! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Nice! 8) but I'm surprised it only needs 5 gallons more then my CS 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Nice! 8) but I'm surprised it only needs 5 gallons more then my CS 8O
If this finishes the boat It'll be 81 gallons of epoxy. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:34 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:Nice! 8) but I'm surprised it only needs 5 gallons more then my CS 8O
If this finishes the boat It'll be 81 gallons of epoxy. :oops:
I mean according the BOM, don't be ashamed I think we all use more as what is estimated in the BOM, well most of us and I'm not exception, but I didn't take track on how much, better not to know LOL :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:I mean according the BOM, don't be ashamed I think we all use more as what is estimated in the BOM, well most of us and I'm not exception, but I didn't take track on how much, better not to know LOL :lol:
I know what you mean Peter. I think the BOM may have been a little over optimistic for an amateur builder. I'm sure someone like the Dusty Cracker could have done it more economically! :wink: That's an oxymoron, talking about building boats and using words like economic in the same sentence! :lol:

I've kept track of everything so far.

http://www.editgrid.com/user/knottybuoyz/Spent_To_Date

I was a bean counter in my Gov't career and some of that carried over I guess.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:04 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:\ That's an oxymoron, talking about building boats and using words like economic in the same sentence! :lol:
Yeah a boat is something like this :lol:
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Peter. Just when I thought there might be a light at the end of the tunnel you go and burst that bubble! :lol:

Today was a good day and a bad day. I said good bye to an ole' friend. My 6" RO air sander packed i in. She was a work horse and I'll miss her. I've looked for repair parts but nuthin'. Can't even locate the company. Looks like there's a trip to Princess Auto in my future! :wink:

9 Hr marathon on the boat today. Weather was fantastic, mid 70's all day. I spent most of the morning sanding the fabric edges around the keel/bottom join in prep for the next layer of glass. The afternoon, 3 hrs of it, was spent getting the next layer of 12 oz 0/90 on the keel.

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Almost 2 gallons of epoxy, 12 pairs of gloves, two roller sleeves and a half dozen paint mixing pails! :?

Three more layers to go. *sigh* I'd like to be able to do two at a time but can't do it alone. Gonna try to fish up some helpers for the next round which will include the bottom panels at the same time (I think).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:41 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm sure someone like the Dusty Cracker could have done it more economically!
It hasn't happened yet :lol: I really don't think it's possible. Unless you build to the absolute glass minimum, don't fair it, don't add anything, don't graphite the bottom :? Depending on the boat I use 1.5 - 2 times the amount of epoxy called for in the BOM.

I have figured out my own method of determining the amount of epoxy needed, based on 5 1/2 boats experience. See how this holds with others experience. I use roughly one gallon of epoxy per sheet of plywood bought, no matter the boat.

Examples:

GF12, built 2 of these. 6 sheets of plywood, 6 gallons of epoxy. BOM says 3 gallons.

GF16, 7 sheets of plywood, 7 gallons of epoxy. BOM says 3.5 gallons.

OD18, 22 sheets of plywood, 22 gallons of epoxy. BOM says 7 gallons 8O

FS18, 10 sheets plywood, 9 gallons of epoxy. BOM says 6 gallons. We tried to build this one as light as possible.

GF18, 21 sheets of plywood. BOM says 8 gallons. I've used almost 7 so far and just flipped it to start the inside. I'm sure it will use 20 gallons.

The dusty (now mildewed) Cracker ain't got nothing over y'all when it comes to using epoxy :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:54 pm
by AtTheBrink
That is good way to estimate it Larry. I am a bit over that so far. I have 11 sheets in mine and 12 gallons of epoxy. Never put the two together til now. Thanks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:57 pm
by Cracker Larry
That is good way to estimate it Larry.
It beats the hell out of using the BOM, for us mortals :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:39 pm
by AtTheBrink
Yep, I will have to remember that for the next one!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:58 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:
That is good way to estimate it Larry.
It beats the hell out of using the BOM, for us mortals :D
Maybe the guys from Bateau should mention it in all BOM lists, that the amount of epoxy in the list is kept to a minimum and that most builders go (way) over it? only fair I think?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:40 pm
by pee wee
I know the study plans usually describe the bare minimum of material (and labor), but the OD-18 says it takes 13 sheets of plywood and C.Larry used 22! 8O I guess it adds up- console, side decks, compartments . . . but 22!!?

I hear ya on the full disclosure thing, Peter- if expectations are set on apples, but you really want to end up with a peach . . . discouragement lies ahead. Then again, if you knew in advance that materials would cost triple what you thought, and labor would be five times your estimate, you might decide not to build what you want- and miss out on all the fun. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:03 am
by wegcagle
Dang Larry,

You may have just made my day....

My GV15 BOM says 6 gallons, and I used right at 20 gallons 8O (It has 18 sheets of plywood). I also had a huge mess up on the inside where the a whole day's worth of epoxy didn't kick. That was about 1.5-2 gallons. So I'm not as bad off as I thought :D

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:23 am
by jacquesmm
pee wee wrote:I know the study plans usually describe the bare minimum of material (and labor), but the OD-18 says it takes 13 sheets of plywood and C.Larry used 22! 8O I guess it adds up- console, side decks, compartments . . . but 22!!?
The BOM's are correct, you can check against the plans. It's simple math done on a spreadsheet, not much guessing involved.

For the plywood, check the nesting. It's all there, you can build the boat with what I specify BUT I do not include a console or customization. For the OD18 for example, I do not include the gunwale that many add: it's not on the plans, we mention it as an option.
The same applies to the resin plus a factor that has to do with builder's experience.
Two factors will make you deviate from the BOM: fiberglass content and customization.
Customization is same as above: we do not include options like the console or the gunwale.
In this case, the builder also used plywood for the stringers instead of a pair of 2x6's. It is a valid option mentioned in the plans but not part of the standard list of materials.

Glass content is the most important factor.
Let's say that a boat uses 30 lbs of fiberglass (that is easy to calculate and very accurate). If the builder is experienced, he will end up with a 50% glass content and use 30 lbs of resin BUT if he is a beginner he will have a 33% glass content that means in the example, 60 lbs of resin instead of 30.
Double the resin!

My BOM figure of 6 gallons becomes 12 gallons.
Now, add to that some customization like the gunwales and the tendency of many builders to add glass were it is not necessary like all the way to the gunnel for some designs or inside topside or just add a layer here and there: my BOM of 6 gallon that became 12 gallons is now suddenly at 15 or 20 gallons!
Plus, we always add a 15% waste factor but some waste more.

As the designer, I must make choices. If I expect the boat to be built by beginners, I often calculate with 40% glass content but if I estimate that most builders will have some experience, I go for 50%.
If I based my BOM for all boats at 33%, many builders would buy too much resin and complain.
Conclusion: be aware of the points above and there will be no surprise.

PS: I'll make this a "sticky" post at the top of the forum. It is a good question and builders should be aware of the cost of options and changes.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jacques is right about deviating from the plans and the difference it can make in the consumption of things like epoxy. I know I made a few mistakes in the beginning and am a slow learner but eventually I caught on. I'm still using a lot of epoxy and not squeegeeing as much as I probably should. A lot of what's gone on the hull so far ended up as dust on the shed floor as I've corrected my sins. :wink:

My TW28 is 40" longer than the standard TW28 and that's added quite a bit to the materials required to build the hull. I don't know if others have stuck to the lamination schedule or not but I am as best I can. I've substituted 33 oz on the bottom panels for the two layers specified by Jacques. Not a huge deviation but it all adds up to more epoxy & glass in the end.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:12 pm
by AtTheBrink
+1 on Jacques comment. I added lots of options on my boat, I think I came close to a 50/50 ratio but have lots more glass and wood.
Makeing this topic a sticky is a good idea. I spent quite abit of time researching on this forum before my build so I knew it was going to take more epoxy than specified. Having it easy to find will be good for new guys. And I would rather have to pick up a couple extra gallons of eppoxy as I need it than to order from a BOM and have a ton leftover. Folks would think they were getting ripped off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:53 pm
by MarkOrge
I need to chime in to support what Jacques is saying. I was sure I was going for almost 50/50 resin to glass ratio, but I will end up using almost what he said I would for a "beginner". I am approaching what I estimate at 65/35, MAYBE 60/40 at best, but I will STILL end up using the 70 gallons he predicted for the foam version of the PH18. Now that having been said it I did the math for my boat and it didn't add up - this is where the waste comes in....

Cheers, enjoy !

Mark

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:35 pm
by colinhart
I have used 325 kg of resin so far I know it sounds a lot but its down to inexperience and I used a heavier matting but the hull as we say in England is built like a brick sh*t house and should take any knocks its great to see you back rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for looking in Colin. Will we see some new pics from your project soon? Last I remember you had to move the boat for a wedding or something silly like that! :lol:

Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another layer on the keel. Two to go. Web Log updated!

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/07/one- ... to-go.html

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I need a shower! I stink! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Seeing others launch their boats really helps with keeping up the interest in my own project alive. A special tip of the hat to Allard for the launch of his TW28 Stoere Meid. Well done sir!

As for my own project, well the sandinsanity continues and BIG BJ moves up to the top of the boat to help keep the sander operator cool!

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Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/07/anot ... nched.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
AC Electricity and I have always had a real love/hate relationship. This morning Miss Voltage almost stung me again so I packed it in early!

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/07/a-re ... nship.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another marathon session with the epoxy & fiberglass. Added a layer of 12 oz 0/90 to the bottom. Both sides. Took me 8 hrs. Had a helper lined up but he never showed so I did it myself. Worked off the step ladder instead of climbing up on the boat which helped.

The Project Manager was barking orders.

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Something to the effect "Get the damn thing done already, would ya?" :lol:

Web Log updated. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/anot ... ssion.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:07 pm
by gstanfield
Remember that the project manager doesn't have a particulate mask to protect the lungs from the fiberglass dust...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gstanfield wrote:Remember that the project manager doesn't have a particulate mask to protect the lungs from the fiberglass dust...
Safety standards are slipping, yes. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
There won't be any work in the boat shed today. Was up half the night in agony! I guess the energy drinks were masking the fact I was pushing it a lil' bit too much! :lol: Gettin' old suks!

I'm happy with the result. I could have squeegeed a bit more in some places but they were hard to reach from the step ladder.

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We had a cool night last night and the epoxy is still a little soft. After some sanding of the fabric edge along the keel/bottom join I'll lay out the fabric for the keel and get that glued down. Likely Monday. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:38 am
by peter-curacao
Beautiful glass work, great job you have done Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:10 pm
by Cracker Larry
Yep, that is some very nice glass work 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:23 pm
by AtTheBrink
Gorgeous!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
What doesn't kill ya will most likely cripple ya for life! No pain no gain right fella's? One tiny step closer to flipping this pig! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Four hours of sandinsanity today. The new Marinepoxy is hard as a rock after 48 hrs. Hardest I've had to sand yet. I guess that's a good thing. I'm pooched!

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Three more hours of sandinsanity this morning. Glass laid out for the sides. The epoxy will be flyin' outta the jugs tomorrow! :wink:

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Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/miss ... inues.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Your pics getting better also 8) less blueish Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:59 am
by Corto Maltese
peter-curacao wrote:Your pics getting better also 8) less blueish Image
It is because of the sanding dust which filters away the blue color.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Your pics getting better also 8) less blueish Image
I drained the water out of the shed and the blue color went away! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
4 hours work in 7 1/2 hours. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/7-12 ... -work.html

It sure was nice to have a buddy (someone who doesn't pester me for ear scratchies) in the boat shed today. Makes the day go by so much nicer! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:52 am
by Knottybuoyz
If I said I was happy it'd be an understatement! No drips, runs, bubbles, voids or dinkleberries to sand off later! :D

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This was the area with the hump were the panel joins deformed. I was worried I wouldn't be able to fair it out. I'm sure the Project Manager would approve if he'd get out of his basket and inspect the workin's!

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/boots-approved.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:54 am
by fodrega
Just perfect, congratulations Rick.

Fabio.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:50 am
by Cracker Larry
That is some fine looking glass work there Rick! Practice does make perfect. Sure looks better since you drained the pond too :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:That is some fine looking glass work there Rick! Practice does make perfect. Sure looks better since you drained the pond too :lol:
You're still the Master Dusty Cracker and I'm still the Grasshopper!

Great building weather coming our way for the next week so I'm gonna hit it hard starting tomorrow. Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:45 pm
by Corto Maltese
Well done! I enjoyed the video. It could be longer - it is so relaxing to watch others working :) A the moment here it is impossible to do anything bigger on my boatyard; today the record of two centuries has been beaten: 39,5 C (103 F) beneath the Alps and the forecast for tomorrow is even a degree higher :( It's time for some cold beer...
Wish you successful follow-up!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:Well done! I enjoyed the video. It could be longer - it is so relaxing to watch others working :)
Oh you are a sick sick person! :lol: Almost like working in government with 5 supervisors watching one poor bugger actually work! I know, I've been there, the poor bugger working!
Corto Maltese wrote:A the moment here it is impossible to do anything bigger on my boatyard; today the record of two centuries has been beaten: 39,5 C (103 F) beneath the Alps and the forecast for tomorrow is even a degree higher :( It's time for some cold beer...
I'm starting to believe my friend Peter who swears that beer is an essential ingredient in a good boat build. I know others profess the demon rum to be the quintessential ingredient and that I don't argue as long as there's plenty of ice in the drink! :wink:
Corto Maltese wrote:Wish you successful follow-up!
Thanks. I know what's coming though. Read on.

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I knew it was coming and prepared, as best I could, for it! More Sandinsanity. My Own Private Hell! Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/my-o ... -hell.html

Thanks for looking in fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Boat Shed Safety standards are slipping and the four things I learned today!.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/i-le ... today.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:09 pm
by ks8
Did your knee need fairing? 8O


Are you aiming at primer or paint before the snow flies? looking good! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Did your knee need fairing? 8O
Not much. More like major road rash so I just slathered a bit of epoxy on it and all is good! :lol:
ks8 wrote:Are you aiming at primer or paint before the snow flies? looking good! 8)
That's roughly the plan, up to primer on the whole thing and just bottom paint. I'll paint the sides when it's near finished. Plan is to flip it first thing in the spring.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:09 pm
by ks8
8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'd be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about building a boat. Today proved that. I added a layer of 10 oz Satin weave to the transom. Not totally enthusiastic with the results. Documented how I did it on our blog.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/ther ... -know.html

I ended up with a few bubbles where the epoxy didn't quite fill all the weave in the underlying 12 oz biax. I'm thinking I should have done two precoats to fill the weave. Maybe one on one day then come back the next day with a second then lay on this lighter fabric.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm sooooooooo glad that's over! Sides, transom & bottom panels sanded for next layer of glass or fairing.

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/i-ho ... again.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:52 pm
by jacquesmm
I see a little bump there, about in the middle . . ..


:lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:I see a little bump there, about in the middle . . ..
Time for bifocals Jacques! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:07 pm
by ks8
It will help the boat go faster.... like a golf ball dimple... :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:It will help the boat go faster.... like a golf ball dimple... :lol:
There's no freakin' bump! I checked! :wink:

Laid out the last layer of 12 oz biax on the keel today. Ran out of time. Had to make a supply run for provisions before the ole' woman goes off to San Antonio for 6 weeks of work! Yes!!!! 8) Just kidding!

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I apologize for the blue pics again. I forgot to take the GoPro out to the shed today. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/i-apologize.html

PS. Some of you may have noticed I put ads on the blog. I apologize for that too. Just hoping to make 'nuff to pay for the excess bandwidth I'm using on my Photobucket account to deliver all these pretty blue pictures. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
ks8 wrote:It will help the boat go faster.... like a golf ball dimple... :lol:
There's no freakin' bump! I checked! :wink:
You're sure?? I thought I saw a bump also!
Knottybuoyz wrote: I apologize for the blue pics again. I forgot to take the GoPro out to the shed today.
Now I see even more bumps!!

Just pulling your leg, your hull looks better without paint as mine with!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:30 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:You're sure?? I thought I saw a bump also!
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:lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:14 am
by Cracker Larry
:lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:39 am
by peter-curacao
Rofl :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:42 am
by ks8
Knottybuoyz wrote:
ks8 wrote:It will help the boat go faster.... like a golf ball dimple... :lol:
There's no freakin' bump! I checked! :wink:
OK... papa smurf... :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok comedians. I get it, I get it. Don't quit your day jobs 'cause you suk at comedy! :wink:

You guys that like my blue pictures will luv this one! What's bluer than blue? Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/what.html

If you spot any bumps you gotta come sand them off yourself! Hah! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:08 pm
by AtTheBrink
I would come up and sand just to get a break from this heat!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:32 pm
by pee wee
We've got freaky weather in Atlanta right now, 4:30 on an August afternoon and it has only gotten up to 64 degrees today! Was just like this yesterday, too. Need a jacket to be comfortable outside. :? Must be that global warming stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It got up to about 80 F in the shed today. Pretty comfortable with no humidity. The wife is flying out to San Antonio on Monday for six weeks. She's in for a shock! :D High today in San Antonio was 100 F!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:23 pm
by AtTheBrink
I am about 120 miles south of San Antone, on the coast. It has been Africa HOT down here! She is most certainly going to be shocked by this heat. The weatherman says we might have a little tropical desturbance come through monday so we might get a reprieve from the heat and some rain to boot!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Since the Admiral is away on a work trip to San Antonio for 6 weeks so I took a break from boat building to work on a Top Secret project for her. I know she doesn't look in here so I'll let you guys in on the secret.

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I used some offcuts from the boat to make her a big a$$ sewing table. 96" X 36". She's using my drafting table from college and it's pretty much fracked! The top is marine grade mahogany, stained mahogany red with 4 coats of polyurethane. All edges radius'd. I'll make the frames & shelves tomorrow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:11 pm
by cankicker
I see the "Quallity Control Engineer" in the lower right of the picture is checking it out.I ahve one of those also :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Nice! always nice to surprise people, nice for those being surprised but also nice for yourself, also it's good to be doing something else than boat building from time to time, it clears the head leading to better ideas, well that's how it works for me 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cankicker wrote:I see the "Quallity Control Engineer" in the lower right of the picture is checking it out.I ahve one of those also :D
Do you want another one? :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Nice! always nice to surprise people, nice for those being surprised but also nice for yourself, also it's good to be doing something else than boat building from time to time, it clears the head leading to better ideas, well that's how it works for me 8)
Thnx Peter. I watched her struggle with her latest creation a twin size quilt. He had no room to work on this monster. I'm standing on my tippy toes to hold it up! :lol:

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That's the biggest one she's done to date. She's got some skills! :wink: She deserves a better work space.

I only had time to knock up the pedestal bases this morning before I had to go rescue my kid.

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Knocked 'em down and sanded before painting.

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Don't tease me about the color. That was a can of 'found paint' from the basement. The only one that wasn't a solid lump! Obviously left over from some long forgotten project.

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Tomorrow I have to go in and clean out the sewing room! Oh boy! That's not gonna be fun! Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:47 am
by cankicker
Knottybuoyz wrote:
cankicker wrote:I see the "Quallity Control Engineer" in the lower right of the picture is checking it out.I ahve one of those also :D
Do you want another one? :wink:
No thanks,I already have a outside and inside one and scrubbing their paws with vinagar to get epoxy off causes too much blood lose...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:59 am
by Knottybuoyz
cankicker wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:
cankicker wrote:I see the "Quallity Control Engineer" in the lower right of the picture is checking it out.I ahve one of those also :D
Do you want another one? :wink:
No thanks,I already have a outside and inside one and scrubbing their paws with vinagar to get epoxy off causes too much blood lose...
Been there, done that. Got the scars to prove it! :lol:

So this morning before the rains came I finished painting up the pedestals and hauled them upstairs.

Before: Those who are squeamish might want to look away! My wife, bless her heart, is a messy lil' piglet when it comes to her sewing room.

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After an hour of moving and picking up pins & needles from the carpet I get half the room moved over to the other side and started to assemble the frames. They just barely fit though the door. I forgot to measure! Doh!

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I couldn't resist putting the top on to see how it looked. Had a lil' incident and you'll see the results of that in the last pic.

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Sewing Table 1, Ceiling Fan 0.

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Fixed the fan, can fix the table top too. I have to cut a slot for all her power cords anyways. Next step is to cut the shelf bottoms, wire in a power bar and then fix it all in place. I plan to ring the entire west end of the room with shelves from floor to ceiling. That'll be next week.

I think she's gonna like it, well I hope she does. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:59 pm
by bigtalljv
very nice! that should get you a hall pass to keep working on the boat for a little while at least :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
bigtalljv wrote:very nice! that should get you a hall pass to keep working on the boat for a little while at least :)
Just 'bout 5 1/2 weeks till she gets back from San Antone! :lol:

Today was shelf day. I wanted to make her 3 shelves to go on the wall above her work table. The first one is 16" wide by 7' long, middle is 13" wide by 6' long and the top is 12" wide by 5' long. Dunno why I did it that way, it's just the way it turned out when I cut the plywood! ;-) Measure once, cut once and live with the results! ;-)

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I decided to paint these instead of stain. I thought the stain would make it too dark above her workspace. So off to the basement I go in search of liquid leftover paint. Found one that said 'white' but was tinted a yellowish color. When it dried it was almost a buff color. Should be Ok for shelves.

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The next step in the process was to make 3 shelf brackets to hold up the shelves. I sort of had this idea in my head and tinkered a bit till I worked it out.

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They'll be spaced evenly and the 1/2" ply shouldn't bow too much. If it does I'll add stiffeners. Glue's drying on the cleats so I can't paint them till tomorrow. You'll see when they're hanging on the wall. Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
Phase I of the project is in place. Just a few details to finish up.

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I'm terrible at keeping secrets from my wife and let the cat out of the bag. I think she's really happy with the sewing room improvements! :wink:

I did a summary of the project on our blog. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/top- ... -more.html

It's not fine furniture, more like a slightly fancier work bench any one of us would build in our garages! I enjoyed butchering some wood just the same. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:26 pm
by sds
Very nice KB. NOthing like some surface area to get a job done.

I'd say your wife is lucky, but then she is married to a guy building a stretched TW28 in a giant blue stick tent in the back yard. . .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:08 pm
by ks8
ditto... :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:10 am
by wegcagle
Nice work Rick 8)

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:39 am
by vla
[quote="Knottybuoyz"]

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You are going to score some points :D

But ... what has this to do with the TW28 project?

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
vla wrote: You are going to score some points :D

But ... what has this to do with the TW28 project?
Hey Allard

She's already working on cushions & curtains etc. for the boat. She's also done the zip in windows in our old boat and will do them for the new boat. She's got some talent plus I expect a 4 fold increase in productivity! :lol: She gets $300 to $400 for a quilt so do a lot of marketing to keep jobs coming her way! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:47 am
by Cracker Larry
You are going to refinish that table top before she gets home, aren't you? :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:19 pm
by Mad Dog
I hope my home town folk are making your wife feel at home here. I did ask the chamber of commerce to lower the outside temps while she is in town. We are under 100 deg. for now. But, it is a tradition that temps have to exceed 100 on our Labor Day holliday (first Monday in September). :lol:

MD :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:You are going to refinish that table top before she gets home, aren't you? :D
Yes Dear! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Mad Dog wrote:I hope my home town folk are making your wife feel at home here. I did ask the chamber of commerce to lower the outside temps while she is in town. We are under 100 deg. for now. But, it is a tradition that temps have to exceed 100 on our Labor Day holliday (first Monday in September). :lol:
Thnx MD. She's enjoying the sights and hospitality of SA. She made a shopping trip to her favorite store, Johanne's Fabrics. Her first day there she bought a sewing machine so she's happy! Seems to be weathering the temps fairly well. Normally she's a heat sink so 100 degs would just be warm for her! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, 'nuff sewing room stuff for awhile. I managed to get a little bit of work done on the boat. Daytime temps were topping 90 degs in the shed so I could get 4 or 5 hrs work in in the morning.

Reinforcing the thruster tubes. I probably should have done this earlier. The balloon trick works really well.

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I've filled all the weave on the 12 oz biax on the sides and will be adding the final layer of 10 oz satin weave as soon as the temps cool down a bit.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/part ... lding.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:00 am
by Knottybuoyz
The Coast Guard called, I answered. Looks like I'm going back to work just shy of being off for a full year. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/08/they ... wered.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:19 pm
by ks8
Enjoy the job, and happy shopping for the Garmin. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
Nothing wrong with a little extra cash flow 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Nothing wrong with a little extra cash flow 8)
All donations gratefully accepted! :D

Weather conditions today were nearly perfect for fiberglass work so up on the boat I went to put the last layer of structural fiberglass on the keel. I figured it'd take me 2 1/2 hrs and it did! Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/i-new-it-would.html

Time for a hot shower & some Robaxacet! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just a few minor details and some cleaning up to do but the sewing room rehab project is virtually finished. Web Log Update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/so-i ... ation.html

I still get the sneaky suspicion that there's more shelf building in my future! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:21 pm
by blueflood
Hey KnottyBuoyz

Your boat was my first choice but I took a few steps down the reality check ladder. In any event I love to see your progress and read your blog. CCG eh ?... National Defense LCMM here; ships with really big guns on them :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hey KnottyBuoyz

Your boat was my first choice but I took a few steps down the reality check ladder. In any event I love to see your progress and read your blog. CCG eh ?... National Defense LCMM here; ships with really big guns on them :lol:

Marc
Last time I checked Marc the Cdn. Navy didn't have any of these REALLY BIG GUNS! :lol:

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You're welcome to come check out my project anytime you're in the area. I promise not to make you sand any fiberglass! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:58 am
by topwater
That looks like Fall river and the battleship Massachusettes .

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
topwater wrote:That looks like Fall river and the battleship Massachusettes .
Good eye topwater. Indeed it is. We stopped in on our way home from picking up our Yanmar engine in RI.

So, actually going to work really messes up a good boat building project but not for the next little while (if ever). The project I was working on is running behind schedule, contracting issues so it's back to the boat shed for me.

I was very very sloppy with the last glass job on the keel so spent about 4 hrs cleaning that up with the sander. Didn't take any pics but I've updated my web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/sand ... etone.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:35 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hung the 10 oz satin weave on the sides in prep for tomorrow's epoxy session. I'm just a little nervous about this step. This 10 oz stuff isn't exactly easy to work with.

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/twas ... efore.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
Pretty much what I expected. Results are just so so. A few dry spots and a couple of bubbles.

Web Log Updated; http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/and-results-are.html

Gonna wait for some warmer weather before I tackle the other side.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another productive day in the Big Blue Boat shed and a milestone (sort of) reached. The last layer of glass went on the port side today. That's the last glass on the outside of the hull. Onto fairing from here. :-) Who's got a favorite fairing compound recipe to share? :wink:

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/i-do ... learn.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:57 pm
by Cracker Larry
Congrats on the milestone. That's about a 10 milestone on that boat!

I use the blended filler sold here for the first couple of coats, then switch to Quick Fair for the final finish.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Congrats on the milestone. That's about a 10 milestone on that boat!

I use the blended filler sold here for the first couple of coats, then switch to Quick Fair for the final finish.
Thanks Larry.

So waddya figure? 40 lbs of the stuff be 'nuff for this whale? :lol:

I actually have the ingredients to make it. Scribbled down the weights last time I made some up. Seemed kinda hard to sand.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:06 pm
by Cracker Larry
Quick Fair is easier to sand by far than home mixed epoxy blends and gives a smoother finish. But it costs a little bit more and you are limited to one hardener speed, and it's fairly fast. I wish they would make it with different hardener choices.

I don't envy you fairing that beast! Got no real idea how much it might take, but I'd probably start with 3 gallons of epoxy mix and 3 gallons of QF. That might do it, as clean as the glass work is. Working clean makes fairing much easier.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:06 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:Quick Fair is easier to sand by far than home mixed epoxy blends
Sorry I don't agree, sure quick fair sands nice, but I didn't remark a big difference with the west fillers like the 410

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
I haven't tried the West System fairing fillers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I tried a couple small batches today. Dunno what I did wrong. They were all lumpy like the ole' woman's giblet gravy! :lol: Yes I did screen the fillers. Temps were perfect etc. Maybe I didn't mix it vigorously enough. Will try again on Saturday. I have to go back to work tomorrow.

Published 'nuther of my 'How Not To Build A Boat' videos and a few other musings on our Web Log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/vide ... to-go.html

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Tracing out templates for the main cabin windows so I can get some quotes. Always thinkin' ahead. When I get my first Guvment Pay Check (in a year) I'm going to order the winders! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Hey Rick if you build her like this that would be great, I like it a lot 8)
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Cracker Larry wrote:I haven't tried the West System fairing fillers.
Okay understood, if you have the chance one time you should try them, I'm curious what you think of them 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:07 pm
by ks8
West System fairing fillers, like the product sold here, sand most easily if you load up the batch fully with filler. What I mean is that you keep adding and mixing until it is just short of becoming too dry. Too dry is a bad thing as it pulls off while trying to smooth it with the squeege. Too wet and it may run or sag, and will be hard to sand. There is a range where it won't sag or run, but for the easiest sanding, one needs to push it to being just short of too dry. It's a matter of developing an intuitive technique while mixing it in, recognizing the look and feel of the mix when it is close enough to just right. If you don't add enough filler, it still may apply alright, but because there is a higher epoxy ratio in the mix, it will sand with more difficulty (but will be a tougher layer too). Its a lot of mixing to get it smooth. I got the technique worked out when I was just about finished with the boat... :lol: That's why we have to build the number two boat, right? :wink:

What I did was to always have a small batch of epoxy, pre-measured (whether with syringes or cups), ready to mix and add to the batch. If I went slightly too dry, I would quickly mix the *spare* epoxy and add it to the main blend. That would get me right in the ballpark. Of course, it will be much more problematic if one tries to do this with fast hardener, in the heat of summer, out in the sunlight ... :lol: Slow hardener is more managable, out of the sunlight, under shelter if possible. if you have the temperatures for it to cure. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:02 pm
by Cracker Larry
If you don't add enough filler, it still may apply alright, but because there is a higher epoxy ratio in the mix, it will sand with more difficulty (but will be a tougher layer too). Its a lot of mixing to get it smooth.
That's my experience too. The thicker the mix, the easier it sands.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx fella's. Gonna try a few more recipe's tomorrow.

I have microsphere's, cabosil & wood flour on hand. What about talc?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:35 am
by dbcrx
The microspheres (aka microbaloons) are the easiest to sand as they are little hollow balls. They also make the lightest filler. You have to add quite a lot to make it not sag though. Adding a little silica will stiffen the mix a lot quicker but will make it a little tougher to sand. I've never tried wood flour for fairing but I imagine that would be quite tough to sand.

Whichever you decide to use the most important thing is to do the fairing while applying the filler not when sanding it. If you can apply it to the shape/level you want then it only needs a few passes with a sander. Better than spending hours or days sanding!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:22 am
by gk108
I'd avoid using too much talc, if any, for fairing. The epoxy casting compound that my dad used in his shop had mostly talc with a little silica as a filler. After that stuff cured, it was like working with a chunk of limestone. More brittle than any of the lightweight fillers and impossible to sand.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the advice fella's. I tinkered with a few recipes in the shed this morning with stuff I had on hand.

Web Log Updated: I made a mess of things but I'm pretty sure I can fix it. Messy fun! Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/im-a ... -sure.html

The Quickfair is nice & easy to work with. The blended filler is also pretty good. I'll put the longboard to the text patches I did and we'll see how it turned out tomorrow. Stay tuned.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Did some test sanding on the fairing compound recipes I added to the hull yesterday. Published another video to put you to sleep!

Sunday Sandinsanity. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/sund ... anity.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:44 pm
by ks8
Watched the video. What a reminder of how much boat you've got there. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Watched the video. What a reminder of how much boat you've got there. 8)
When I call her a 'pig', 'whale' and 'barge' I ain't kiddin'! :lol:

The Marine Installers Rant & other misc. ramblings (and another video) posted to our web log:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/09/the- ... other.html

Happy Sandinsanity Everybody! (Yes, I'm loosing it)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:55 pm
by ks8
Knottybuoyz wrote:(Yes, I'm loosing it)
And the mix of my blood that is Iroquois has to ask.... well... about the Great Peace thing. So -- are you? :wink:

That's big medicine as a boat name. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:(Yes, I'm loosing it)
And the mix of my blood that is Iroquois has to ask.... well... about the Great Peace thing. So -- are you? :wink:
Two generations removed on my father's side. Mostly diluted with Scottish & French blood. So I always say 'Yes, in spirit'.
ks8 wrote:That's big medicine as a boat name. 8)
A true honor to a great people who I admire a lot.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:20 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Du sang francais ? Et mois j'ai du sang englais...avec un nom de famille comme Kingsley et ma langue maternelle francaise...go figure :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Du sang francais ? Et mois j'ai du sang englais...avec un nom de famille comme Kingsley et ma langue maternelle francaise...go figure :lol:
Salue Marc

I've ended up with the French last name, Laporte, but my first language is English. They tried to teach me French in the public service and it damned near killed me! *lol*

à bientôt

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Looks like my second career in the Coast Guard has come to an end so it's back to the boat shed while the weather holds. Boy, did it feel good! :D I'd much rather do this than sit in front of a silly computer in an office building.

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Web Log Updated! http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/10/back-to-it.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Had to change things up a bit and drill a hole in my hull. No, not for kicks, for the rudder post.

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This rudder came with the kit when we bought it. I don't know if it was actually made for this boat so I had to stick it up there and get some measurements. The rudder shaft will have to be modified a bit. Work I hope to get done this winter.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/10/chan ... p-bit.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:55 pm
by ks8
Nice turn of events. 8) Glad you didn't steer us wrong. ... ok... I'll stop.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
That's all for this season folks. Calling it a wrap! Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/11/thats-wrap.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:48 am
by blueflood
Join the club KnottyBuoyz :(

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:03 pm
by Corto Maltese
I've bought this sanding/fairing board Flexicat last year. Expensive :( Tried a bit on transom and it feels good. We'll see next March or April if the investment will pay itself. I have one last layer of 206g/m2 fb more to do. Turning the beast in June. I hope so :oops:
Enjoy the winter (in warm home, with cool beer),
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:49 am
by ks8
While you wait for spring, she's being further seasoned in the boat shed. :wink: :)

Got any other detail projects that can be done indoors during the winter?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Got any other detail projects that can be done indoors during the winter?
I have a few ideas. One is an overhead console. Got a lot of gizmo's and gadgets to go in it. Will likely do a CAD drawing this winter and then lay it on the bulkheads before deciding if I want to use Frontpanel Express again or do it myself. I have some blue carbon fiber (Texalium) that I might make some panels out of. I don't know if you remember but I designed my elec dist panel with Frontpanel Express a few winters ago.

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And a mimic panel last winter.

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I might mock up a steering console as well. Problem is I don't have much space to work on it in the house.

I'm scrapping the Yanmar control panel and will design the steering console for the new gauges I bought.

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My electrical drawings need to be updated. I've bought some elec equipment to add, ELCI, galvanic isolator etc. I haven't really put any thought into plumbing diagram either so that's on the To Do list.

I've got some hardware shopping to do while we're in FLA this winter. 600' of anchor chain is on the top of the list.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
"All she needs is engines and a paint job!" Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/11/all- ... t-job.html

One man's journey to refit a '69 Roamer. Really good read. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
To all you southern boys puttin' your projects on hold 'case it's a lil' too chilly for epoxy work check this out.

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-20C that's -4F. I don't think my fillets are gonna cure in these temps! :lol:

Ya gotta luv TheWeatherNetwork's ad server though. Showing an ad for the animated movie 'Frozen'. Now that's irony! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:16 am
by blueflood
Us Canadians...we laugh at the cold :lol:

Ottawa was so cold...only "Al" and "Ed" had time to write their names in the snow.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:37 am
by MarkOrge
if you are considering spraying - I have an air dryer I traded for some NidaCore - and since moving I am done spraying. Give me a call 416 320 5653, I a guessing I am about 2 hours west of you.

Mark

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:if you are considering spraying - I have an air dryer I traded for some NidaCore - and since moving I am done spraying. Give me a call 416 320 5653, I a guessing I am about 2 hours west of you.

Mark
Hey Mark

What kind of sprayer is it? I've got two HVLP sprayers already. Not sure what you mean with an air dryer? For a compressor?

-30 C here this morning. Lil' frosty on the gronicles when I went out to start the Admiral's cat at 06:00 hrs in my PJ's! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just out to check on the boat shed. *Note: Some of you southerners might want to look away now!* :-)

Shed appears to be holding up pretty well with all the repairs we had to do this year. Noticed there's more snow clinging to the top than previous years.

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Quick update on the web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/12/boxi ... blues.html

Hope everyone is well and happy and enjoying a great holiday.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:26 am
by Cracker Larry
8O 8O

40 degrees and raining here, but it's still better than that :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:19 am
by Walkers Run
What's all that white stuff??

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:05 am
by Benny Howard
Maybe there is a history lesson here. Didn't all this start with ice racing boats. :doh: . Happy New Year too you and yours.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:36 am
by pee wee
I like pictures of snow, very nice to look at from a warm place. :D So you can't get in the boat shed to see your boat? If you can't prove it is in there, is it possible that your boat is both in the shed and isn't in there at the same time? "Schrodinger's boat" or something like that? :doh: Gives you something to think about when you're snowed in rather than go all "Jack Nicholson" like in The Shining. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:35 am
by Cracker Larry
I was wondering that too, Peewee. You must read the same types of books that I do :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:24 pm
by peter-curacao
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
That's not snow. It's a air drop of fairing powder from Bateau :D

Looking good Rick, build on when I warms up 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote:That's not snow. It's a air drop of fairing powder from Bateau :D
These days it's called fairy powder from Bateau 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
Oh you guys crack me up! :lol: Ha Ha! Don't quit your day jobs for a life as stand up comedians! :?

Peter, I'd call you a dirty name for posting that weather report from Curacao but this is a family oriented forum! :wink:

If all that white stuff is fairing powder then I better get a boat load of wet sandpaper! *groan*

The winters are long and they put a real cramp in the boat building project. On the bright side it allows you to save up for some goodies for the boat and pursue other things. I bought myself a Smith & Wesson M&P 22 for a little target plinking. Just got all the permits in place before Xmas so I'm now legal to take it to the range. Gonna give that a try today.

Stay warm fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:19 am
by TRC886
That's a nice Christmas toy :!: Is ammo as hard to find up there as it is down here? 22 ammo is virtually nonexistent, and most other calibers are rare, spotty, and EXPENSIVE :x

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:27 am
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Stay warm fella's.
No problem there Image

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
TRC886 wrote:That's a nice Christmas toy :!: Is ammo as hard to find up there as it is down here? 22 ammo is virtually nonexistent, and most other calibers are rare, spotty, and EXPENSIVE :x
.22 LR isn't hard to find but it is pricey compared to US. A 525 box of Blazers will cost, with tax, almost $60. A 50 rd box of CCI Stingers will run you almost $9 with tax.

Still looking for 'non toxic' ammo in .22 LR for the indoor range. Our range is new and not grandfathered under the rules. Only non toxic allowed. I doubt I'll be able to use it on the indoor range anytime soon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Stay warm fella's.
No problem there Image
Bugger! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:17 pm
by TRC886
Knottybuoyz wrote: .22 LR isn't hard to find but it is pricey compared to US. A 525 box of Blazers will cost, with tax, almost $60. A 50 rd box of CCI Stingers will run you almost $9 with tax.
WOW :!: I still have some 550 round, copper plated Federals that I paid around 12-13 dollars for. The last time I saw some of these for sale, they were around $20...but that was before 2008.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:39 pm
by Cracker Larry
.22 ammo is almost impossible to find locally here and has been for over a year. The few gun stores that have any will only sell it with the purchase of a rifle or hand gun. Our Walmarts haven't had any in a year or more. Everything else is in short supply also, except shotgun shells. I've got a few bricks of .22 that I paid less than $10 each for and now they are $50 if you can find them at all. I've been getting my ammo online for the last year or so, there is almost nothing available locally.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:.22 ammo is almost impossible to find locally here and has been for over a year. The few gun stores that have any will only sell it with the purchase of a rifle or hand gun. Our Walmarts haven't had any in a year or more. Everything else is in short supply also, except shotgun shells. I've got a few bricks of .22 that I paid less than $10 each for and now they are $50 if you can find them at all. I've been getting my ammo online for the last year or so, there is almost nothing available locally.
I'm gonna need a few more bricks of ammo. Went to the range yesterday. Not a target was harmed during the entire session! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Was Google Earthing and I saw they updated the pic for our area. It now shows the Big Blue Boat Shed!

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/01/goog ... sheds.html

I installed a set of Williams Firesights (fiber optic) on my M&P 22 and laser bore sighted it. Just waiting for a decent day to go choot it again! :-) Look out targets, you're in for it now! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:27 am
by justin_dwyer
That was a cool video man! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:31 pm
by cape man
Late night trip to WalMart and they were stocking their shelves. $23/brick. There were three guys waiting for them to stock that the guy at the counter seemed to know well. Word from a friend who owns a gun shop is they are buying them as they stock (max three bricks per person) and then reselling them at gun shows for over $100/brick.
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What is a non-toxic bullet? I thought they all caused damage or death?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:Late night trip to WalMart and they were stocking their shelves. $23/brick. There were three guys waiting for them to stock that the guy at the counter seemed to know well. Word from a friend who owns a gun shop is they are buying them as they stock (max three bricks per person) and then reselling them at gun shows for over $100/brick.
That's criminal! There's a few vids on Youtube of guys from gun stores standing in line at Wally World waiting for stock to hit the shelves. They used to do it the same time every day till some of the regular customers got pissed off. Now they put it out at odd times of the day. The local Wally World across the border here will no longer sell ammo to Canadians. I managed to find a source for the CCI Blazers for $21/brick.
cape man wrote:What is a non-toxic bullet? I thought they all caused damage or death?
Fast or slow, either way I guess. There are ammo's available that have no lead in the primer and polymer (copper & epoxy) projectiles. Problem with that is the Chief Firearms Officer (RCMP (Mounties)) consider the polymer bullets 'frangable' and won't allow them on ranges. Catch 22! Their whole plan is to make the process so arduous that people just throw their arms in the air and give up!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We got a foot of snow dumped on us night before last. Lori snapped a pic through the screen door!

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Oh man, it's gonna be two months for that to melt! :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
Was watching some 'Mythbusters' clips on Youtube and got to thinking if there was a boating myth they could test. I remember back in my Coast Guard days the hairy ass'd ole' sailors and their sayings. One in particular was: "On a sinking ship there's no better bilge pump than a frightened sailor with a bucket!" So I submitted that to Mythbusters! More on that on my blog:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/03/bilg ... et_18.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
+7C today so we got some melting going on! Took a little trip to the boat shed to see how everything faired over the winter.

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About 2" of water pretty much everywhere and a lot more snow to melt before I can get in the shed. Won't be long now, I hope.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:21 am
by colinhart
Never having expirenced snow that deep are you really limited to the house and the road during the winter. How does anything happen overhere 3 inches and the country grounds to a halt roads blocked mainly by BMW driversthinking snow driving is the same as a dry road. Hows the leg now? Cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Never having expirenced snow that deep are you really limited to the house and the road during the winter. How does anything happen overhere 3 inches and the country grounds to a halt roads blocked mainly by BMW driversthinking snow driving is the same as a dry road. Hows the leg now? Cheers Colin
There's a lot of idiots on the roads here in the winter who don't know enough to slow down. Many a time I passed them as they were crawling out of the ditches! I drive a Jeep Wrangler which just loves the snowy roads! :wink:

Knee is pretty much healed. Still aches in the damp cold weather. I don't think it'll be slowing me down this year like it did last. Going to try to get the fairing done by June and then flip the boat over. I think I have a crew of volunteers lined up for the glassing of the inside of the boat so that'll be a big help.

Thanks for looking in Colin.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:55 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

I have a small pile of new Beckson port holes, 6 and 8 inch diameter, fixed and screw in, clear and white, clear and black. Also some pry out deck plates. All for sale...cheap if you are interested.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick,

I have a small pile of new Beckson port holes, 6 and 8 inch diameter, fixed and screw in, clear and white, clear and black. Also some pry out deck plates. All for sale...cheap if you are interested.

Marc
Hey Marc.

I'm good for all that stuff but thanks for letting me know. Portlights were one of the first things I bought for the boat about 7 yrs ago! :lol:

Got these off of eBay, $59 each, bought 4 of them.

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This is the only porthole we'll have, it goes in the head door!

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
A little walk around the boat shed today. Everything seems fine after a brutal winter!

http://youtu.be/DckOTUM5isw

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Finally some decent weather. Temps in the low 50's today! Still battling Mother Nature though. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/doub ... temps.html

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:28 pm
by peter-curacao
:? Pffff Scarface his wet dream, that's a lot of powder :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Powder's almost all gone now Peter. Temps are in the low 70's here today. :)

Ground is still soaked and the floor of the shed is a mud bog so I just did some tinkering and tidying up. Found some things and lost some things. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/foun ... hings.html

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
+26 C yesterday & sunshine
0 C here today & snowing

I gotta get this boat finished and get out of this gawd forsaken country! :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:25 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:I gotta get this boat finished and get out of this gawd forsaken country! :doh:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493ctKMJ2qY

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:04 pm
by blueflood
I hear you Rick....7..count them...7 @#$%^&* months of $#%^&*@#$$ snow now :doh:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
I don't know how yall do it :!: It's supposed to be in the 30s F here tonight, that's unheard of for this time of year :help: Spring is still struggling, even in the South.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:03 pm
by blueflood
Geez and I was so looking forward to palm trees at the cottage. So much for the warming part of global warming :lol: I can tell this will extend the building time :roll: I gave up CL...I gave up today when yesterday was 24 and balmy..today was a mixed bag of sleet, freezing rain, snow, driving snow, rain then sub-artic winds :lol: I know one thing...my winter coat is going to the garbage.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:19 am
by gk108
I know what I'd do...I'd build a ship that would carry me away from the land of the ice and snow, with the midnight sun where the harsh winds blow. A latitude adjusting tool, if you will. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:22 am
by topwater
Already Looking at land and houses in Florida , hopefully by next June I will be relocated :D
I have had enough of the polar vortex :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:53 pm
by wildbill
topwater wrote:
Already Looking at land and houses in Florida , hopefully by next June I will be relocated
My wife sell's retirement communities here in Ocala.


ocalatownandcountryrealestate.com http://www.ocalatownandcountryrealestat ... ala-fl.asp

just a small plug bill

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I think we've pretty much turned the corner on winter around here. They're still getting snow out west. They can keep it there! :wink:

Things have pretty much dried up and warmed up in the boat shed so I got back to work today. More sanding, can you imagine that? One of the last things I did last year was put the last layer of glass on the keel but didn't get any sanding done on it so that's where I started today.

Is this what they call a 'Selfie'? Kinda reminds me of Jeff Goldblum in 'The Fly'! :D
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091064/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/sand ... begun.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Purgatory or Sandinsanity. You decide. Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/purg ... ecide.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It's funny when ya build a boat, you got this mental checklist of stuff that's on the horizon all the time. It shrinks and it grows as the days ebb and flow. Today, for some unknown reason, I got my mind stuck on the rudder. When I bought the kit from a fellow forumite it came with a rudder already built.

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It appears to be fairly well built. I knew the shaft was definitely too long, almost a foot and it wasn't made with mounting flanges, which I want. So having a closer look and checking measurements against the plans the blade of the rudder is too tall. It would leave about 1/4" clearance between the blade and the bottom of the boat if I didn't use a bearing and 1/4" clearance between the bottom of the blade and the skeg. I really don't want to put this in the way it is with no room to spare at all.

These are the flanges I want to have welded to the shaft. They 316L SS out of a nuclear power plant so I'm assuming the quality is probably pretty good.

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Next I got out my new oscillating cutter thingy and opened it up to see what was inside.

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Looks like some sort of high density foam and a couple layers of glass. The first flange is at least 4" from the top of the rudder blade so more material can be removed if necessary. I will take it to the local marine machine shop on Tuesday to see if it's even possible. If not I have another shaft that I can start over with.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/some ... in-me.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Goop going on the hull! 8)

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Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/04/toda ... se-to.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 11:28 am
by MarkOrge
That core materials looks exactly like Divinycell H80. I have a lot of it in my boat. Not sure what density as they often have the same color across different densities...

Glad to see your snow is gone too. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 2:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:That core materials looks exactly like Divinycell H80. I have a lot of it in my boat. Not sure what density as they often have the same color across different densities...
Hey Mark, it's very dense. Looks like it was grid scored too. The whole thing might have been infused in one shot. Nice trick if you can pull it off.
MarkOrge wrote:Glad to see your snow is gone too. :D
I got a bad wisdom tooth that has to go now too! :roll: Been raining for a few days now so really too damp to get into the shed. Weather's looking a little better for the remainder of the week. Hopefully I'll get back to it soon. Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 2:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding fairing compound sucks. Yup it sucks. I know it's called 'Quickfair' but I wish it was called 'Easyfair". :lol:

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/afte ... iatus.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, bum tooth is out. It was fractured all the way to the bottom of the root. Feeling much better now! Time to get back to friggin' work!

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More poo going on the hull. I sanded some I laid down the other day and after 20 minutes it felt like my arms were going to fall off! A lil' outta shape ya think? Yup! I'll pay for it, dearly. If any of you guys have done any large area fairing before and have any tips to share I'd appreciate it.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/wees ... y-poo.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:46 pm
by Cracker Larry
If any of you guys have done any large area fairing before and have any tips to share I'd appreciate it.
Take the pickup to town and pick up a load of undocumented democrats :lol:

Seriously, we have some places where day workers hang out and wait for anyone to come by needing any kind of work done. They usually work hard and cheap. Bring home about 6 of them and set them up working, then go put on a big pot of rice and beans :D Lot of hungry people around needing work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:48 pm
by Walkers Run
Knottybuoyz wrote:If any of you guys have done any large area fairing before and have any tips to share I'd appreciate it.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/wees ... y-poo.html
Allman Brothers nice and loud works for me :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 11:24 pm
by gk108
Better yet, Gov't Mule! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 3:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gk108 wrote:Better yet, Gov't Mule! :D
I used to be one! Then I got smrat, that spells smart! I retired! :lol:

It would be nice to have a crew to help with this part of the project but no amount of bribery seems to work. I guess they're all allergic to sanding dust! :(

Spread some more goop & sanded. Nothing too exciting just lotsa real estate to cover and sand. More of the same tomorrow.

Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-dark-arts.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:01 pm
by pee wee
I guess there's a reason that when you look closely at ships they pretty much all have ripply sides. That would be a lot of Quickfair!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:49 pm
by Cracker Larry
guess there's a reason that when you look closely at ships they pretty much all have ripply sides.
Mine don't, so far, but I've never faired a TW28 either, it might :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 5:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Mine don't, so far, but I've never faired a TW28 either, it might :help:
You're welcome to come and try Larry! :lol:

I think it'll turn out Ok as long as I just take my time and try to get it right. Just gotta get past saying 'screw it, good 'nuff'!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding around the boat in 6 hrs. Onto the transom!

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Nice a$$ Baby! Even if it is upside down! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
I've stuck up a video of unboxing the Flexicat tools. They were graciously lent to me by the US supplier. The manufacturer is still having trouble getting inventory out the door of their new production facility. At least now I can try them out.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/flex ... -cats.html

I gave them a good try this morning and will have another video tomorrow. I'm not sure I have a good method worked out yet but boy o' boy do they cut hard!!! The increased surface area takes a proportionately larger amount of muscle to get them to work too! Muscle I don't got (yet)!

I can say after about 3 hrs sanding with them this morning that they're certainly going to do the trick! I really like the 22 x 4-1/2" sander over the 33 x 2-3/4" sander. More on that later.

Thanks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:30 pm
by sds
Damn. Is there a more tedious genre devised by man than the unboxing video? :help: :lol:

Looking forward to the 'in-use' footage.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
sds wrote:Damn. Is there a more tedious genre devised by man than the unboxing video? :help: :lol:

Looking forward to the 'in-use' footage.
I'm sorry sds. I apologize! It was more about testing the camera rig than the process to unbox a tool.

So you want to see the Flexicat in action? Here you go, today's blog post:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/is-a ... -true.html

Enjoy. It's riveting! Well not riveting but you know what I mean! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 3:18 am
by dbcrx
Glad you're liking the cats. I use them all the time at work now. hThe combination of the filling and fairing boards is great. With the 1m filler board you can apply a nice smooth layer of filler over a curved surface. Then you only need a few passes with the fairing board to smooth it off. Much better than slapping the filler on with a small spatula or a straight edge and having to sand 3/4 of it back off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
dbcrx wrote:Glad you're liking the cats. I use them all the time at work now. hThe combination of the filling and fairing boards is great. With the 1m filler board you can apply a nice smooth layer of filler over a curved surface. Then you only need a few passes with the fairing board to smooth it off. Much better than slapping the filler on with a small spatula or a straight edge and having to sand 3/4 of it back off.
I likely won't be getting one of the spreading boards. Really not worth it now. I am putting a fair bit of mileage on the Flexicats. One pass down the stbd side this morning. That's close to 140 sq ft. It was the first pass so it's still a little rough. I'll fill the lows this afternoon. I still have quite a few low spots on the chine where the fabrics & tape overlapped.

The sanding is getting a little easier! :? If you can believe that! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just a diversion to put off doing real work. My buddy Peter suggested I use the GoPro on the boat hook to get some birds eye views of the boat. I dunno why I never thought of that. The wide angle lens of the GoPro distorts the perspective and makes the boat look like a beached whale (which it is).

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Ok, 'nuff goofing off. Back to work! :wink:

Standby!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 3:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
Rick, I bow to you. I sure wouldn't want to fair that boat, makes me hurt to look at it. Glad I came to my senses before I committed to building a big boat :D Build on, Dusty Buoyz :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Rick, I bow to you. I sure wouldn't want to fair that boat, makes me hurt to look at it. Glad I came to my senses before I committed to building a big boat :D Build on, Dusty Buoyz :D
I'm sure you could do a very nice job on a big boat Larry. It's really just more real-estate to cover. If I had your experience I'd likely have made the whole task a lot easier but I'm learning as I go. I'll master all the skills the day I roll it out of the shed never to use those them again! :wink: (well hopefully never again).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
So while I'm sitting here waiting for the fairing compound to harden I got tinkering with Photoshop to figure out how to correct for the 'Fish Eye' affect the wide angle lens of the GoPro produces. I think I got it figured out.

Uncorrected photo:

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Corrected photo:

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This one's maybe more dramatic change.

Uncorrected:

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Corrected:

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This is a corrected photo of the one I posted the other day. I think it gives a better impression of the size & scale.

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Sandinsanity after lunch. Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 5:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I figured out how to correct the 'Fish Eye' effect in video as well as the still photo's you've seen. Problem is it takes forever to do on my laptop. I tried to correct the raw vids but after 20 hrs they were still processing so I nixed it. I apologize for the crappy cinematography. I used the GoPro head mount again. At least you get to see some different angles of the boat.

So long story short here's the vid: http://youtu.be/d8jLhvjlUGY

I have to say I'm pretty happy with the progress. I'm down to very small defects now that need to be addressed. I went down both sides today marking them out and it's not bad. A few lows, a few highs but nothing serious. I'm thinking the sides & transom could be ready for primer by end of next week. I do have a lot to do on the bottom & keel before I start spraying paint on the hull.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:20 pm
by antoniekruger
Oh my word, I thought I was sanding a big boat....she's big 8O - and gorgeous. Yikes, that seems like a mission and a half. She looks great. Those green torture boards - are they commercial items? Are they for sanding or applying fairing compound?
Is this a displacement hull?
Looks good, fellas. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 5:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
antoniekruger wrote:Oh my word, I thought I was sanding a big boat....she's big 8O - and gorgeous. Yikes, that seems like a mission and a half. She looks great. Those green torture boards - are they commercial items? Are they for sanding or applying fairing compound?
Is this a displacement hull?
Looks good, fellas. :D
Yes she's a pretty big boat. It's the TW28 (http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=TW28) and I stretched it 39-1/8" so length is 31'-5" overall. Beam is a little wider than plans at 10'-3" or so. It is a displacement hull. If you look around the builders forums you'll find quite a few have already been built or are under construction.

The sanding boards are called 'Flexicats'. (http://www.flexicat-tools.com). You can get them as compound applicators & sanders in various sizes up to 72". The two I have are on loan from the US distributor. (http://www.smsdistributors.com) The small one is 22" x 4-1/2" and the longer one is 33" x 2-3/4".

Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:02 am
by MarkOrge
Despite the fact I am B.C. boy, I have come to love the boating out here (Kawarthas and especially Georgian Bay)

Please let me know if you are thinking of coming out our way, I have good digital tracks saved on Lowaance from Penetang to dang near the Suoix. (Bear Drop I think)

I Also have 2 good 36" 3M fairing boards - one flex and one stiff. More stuff as finish up. Trade for good strong QC Beer LOL.

Markham, ON.

416 320 5653

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:Despite the fact I am B.C. boy, I have come to love the boating out here (Kawarthas and especially Georgian Bay)

Please let me know if you are thinking of coming out our way, I have good digital tracks saved on Lowaance from Penetang to dang near the Suoix. (Bear Drop I think)

I Also have 2 good 36" 3M fairing boards - one flex and one stiff. More stuff as finish up. Trade for good strong QC Beer LOL.
Hi Mark

We'll eventually get up the Trent-Severn to GB. Not sure when. I spent a good deal of my early years in the CG in Georgian Bay. Kinda looking forward to getting back to Midland & Hooterville and especially the North Channel. It'll just be a few more years yet till the wifey can retire and we can go at our leisure.

I thought about giving those 3M boards a go before I ordered the Flexicats. If you're serious I can ship you a 24 of Brador for them! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Pretty much finished up the rough fairing on the hull sides & transom today. A few minor spots that need filling but nothing major. I ordered some 3M Dry Guide Coat and will give that a shot later when I get to the finish fairing.

Moved up to the keel to start hogging down that fairing compound. It's kind of hard! Been there for a week or 10 days curing. It gets pretty warm up there and was 95 degs today. Took the starch outta my shorts in about 45 mins so I called it a day.

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http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/movin-on-up.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
WTF have I gotten myself into? Sorry, just thinking out loud again! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:26 pm
by antoniekruger
:D I hear you - been there. Get a fairing person in for that....if you can trust somebody else to do that-I couldn't.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
antoniekruger wrote::D I hear you - been there. Get a fairing person in for that....if you can trust somebody else to do that-I couldn't.
I don't know if I could either. Someone else's 'good 'nuff' likely won't be 'good 'nuff' for me! Besides, I don't think there's anyone around here who does this kinda stuff anyways. I have a friend who's a automotive body guy who'll come have a look when I think I'm ready to spray the primer.

Had to take a brief respite from the fairing. Back at it today. Trying out the 3M dry guide coat.

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/had- ... break.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Inside the belly of the beast!

Looking forward.
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Looking aft.
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Feeling the affects of getting older. This suks! Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/feel ... ts-of.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:59 pm
by AtTheBrink
All I can say is WOW! What a boat!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:30 pm
by jorgepease
fairing that boat will wear down anybody, no matter the age!!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:44 pm
by Cracker Larry
fairing that boat will wear down anybody, no matter the age!!!!
8O :help: 8O :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:26 am
by Knottybuoyz
I think I'm just chasing my tail and making it worse because I don't know when to quit. :roll:

Think I have one side that might be ready for high build primer.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fairing, fairing and more fairing. Tinkered with a rattle can guide coat today. I learned a few things!

Camo anyone? :lol:

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Web Log Updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the- ... teurs.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
I learned a few things!
Like you were standing too close with the rattle cans :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
I learned a few things!
Like you were standing too close with the rattle cans :lol:
I was yup. That was pointed out a few times! :lol:

Weird stuff that primer. 10" from the hull too much. 10-1/2"" and it just fell to the floor. *sigh*

Took a bath afterwards. Have a nice black ring around the tub! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanded a bunch o' big X's today! *hehehe* Got to thinking that the rattle can primer maybe wasn't such a good idea. Terribly messy, permeated the Quikfair and gums up the sandpaper. Oh well I'll no better next time!

Geared up for yet another exciting sanding video! Hold all the Teletubbie jokes, I've heard them all!

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Web Log Updated: M/V She:Kon: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/so-m ... -idea.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:22 am
by antoniekruger
Hold all the Teletubbie jokes, I've heard them all!
Yeah?? I think we should test that theory... :D What do you call a Teletubbie with a carrot up his....nahh just kidding.

If the can paint is reacting with the fairing compound you need to make sure you get it all off. Having a 'gummy' patch under the primer will cause bubbles in the paint and peel-offs.
The other possibility is that the fairing compound has not cured sufficiently to be sanded yet, assuming the mixing ratio's was correct. I had this - left it for another 2 day's and it all come off powder. I think captain Cracker said(or he was quoting someone) that sanding is good for the soul. You sure have a lot of time to think whilst wielding the fairing board. Keep it up - when the primer goes on, it feels really good.

Mate, please help me, I don't get this - why are you filming the sanding? :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
antoniekruger wrote:
Hold all the Teletubbie jokes, I've heard them all!
Yeah?? I think we should test that theory... :D What do you call a Teletubbie with a carrot up his....nahh just kidding.
I'm not touchin' that one either! :lol:
antoniekruger wrote:If the can paint is reacting with the fairing compound you need to make sure you get it all off. Having a 'gummy' patch under the primer will cause bubbles in the paint and peel-offs.
The other possibility is that the fairing compound has not cured sufficiently to be sanded yet, assuming the mixing ratio's was correct. I had this - left it for another 2 day's and it all come off powder. I think captain Cracker said(or he was quoting someone) that sanding is good for the soul. You sure have a lot of time to think whilst wielding the fairing board. Keep it up - when the primer goes on, it feels really good.
The fairing compound was properly mixed and cured hard. I think by it's nature it might be a little porous. Dunno. I've had my hands over all of the surface it's all hard. When I first started I had a few soft spots but learned that lesson early on.
antoniekruger wrote:Mate, please help me, I don't get this - why are you filming the sanding? :?
Recording it for prosperity or my great great grandchildren to see what a dork their great great grandfather was! Was originally going to put in a live streaming web cam but that idea fell through. Some people like the vids. Some don't. I don't twist anyone's eyeballs to watch. I get a lot of comments on our blog as to technique & process etc. so they're definitely helping. If someone can learn 'How Not To Build A Boat' from them well the world will be a better place.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So I needed a break from the sanding. Have help coming next week and wanted to save some of that joyous work for him! :lol:

Trying to sketch-up a skeg, very similar to what I think Ilker had made for his TW28. Might of been Cumhur's TW28. I'm not sure.

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So what's the first choice for material? 6mm Stainless or 6mm Aluminum or 1/4" mild steel and powder coated. I guess I'll get quotes on all three and see how it goes. Will likely have it made this winter when I have the rudder modified.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
Mild steel would be out of the question in salt water.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:05 pm
by mindunderwater
If you can get the necessary strength and other properties from it, marine-grade aluminum is really hard to beat BWL.

GOOD marine-grade stainless could work, I suppose. Fun project if you were handy with a TIG welder...

My personal experience between the two is that the stainless hardware on grand-dad's power troller eventually went south. The aluminum trolling poles looked the same the day he got it as they did the day he passed on.

FWIW I agree that mild steel, while possible to protect with powder coating will eventually be an issue. If it was something you could detach from the boat and get re-galvanized (or whatever coating) from time to time like an anchor that'd be one thing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:12 pm
by MarkOrge
Do you want these two 3M fairing boards I have ? I have one each of the the "stiff" and the "flexieble" ones. 36" X 4" and I have a bunch of paper too. Heavy grit cutting stuff, I think 40. Let me know - come by Markham often ?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:Do you want these two 3M fairing boards I have ? I have one each of the the "stiff" and the "flexieble" ones. 36" X 4" and I have a bunch of paper too. Heavy grit cutting stuff, I think 40. Let me know - come by Markham often ?
Hey Mark

I don't get up that way very often. It's been 5 or 6 years since the last time.

Do you want to ship them down? I'll pay the postage.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My buddy Peter came all the way from Montreal today for some fun sanding in the Big Blue Boat Building Shed!

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First he went down one side with the Flexicat and when that wasn't 'nuff he jumped up on the boat and started feathering down the tape seams! The man is a virtual Sanding Machine! I only wish I could clone him.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/not- ... ction.html

Back to the lonely project tomorrow. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:16 pm
by MarkOrge
No problem I can ship, I may have a few passes to do yet then I'll contact you.

Cheers, good luck with that gorgeous boat. Be sure to let me know if you end up coming through the Trent, especially to Georgian Bay, I can help with some 'secret' anchorages....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
MarkOrge wrote:No problem I can ship, I may have a few passes to do yet then I'll contact you.

Cheers, good luck with that gorgeous boat. Be sure to let me know if you end up coming through the Trent, especially to Georgian Bay, I can help with some 'secret' anchorages....
Likely be a couple years before we get up that way. Just follow the magenta line & we'll be Ok eh? :wink:

Standing by......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's update is brief. Yesterday Quikfair'd the stbd bottom panel from about the bow thruster to the back of the keel. A pretty big area to cover. I had intended to go all the way to the transom but by the time I got to the end of the keel it was 95 degs in the shed and the Quikfair was kicking off on the mixing board. Today was spent sanding tape seams and then that entire area I Quikfair'd yesterday.

I made a lot of dust. 8O

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:38 pm
by AtTheBrink
It looks like you have all the right tools for the job! I know that is one area I am lacking, sanding tools. I should say, good sanding tools. I got lots of crappy sanders, and homemade stuff. I am investing in better for the next boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
AtTheBrink wrote:It looks like you have all the right tools for the job! I know that is one area I am lacking, sanding tools. I should say, good sanding tools. I got lots of crappy sanders, and homemade stuff. I am investing in better for the next boat.
Hey Mike

Good tools make good work in the hands of those who know what they're doing. I don't! :lol: I'd recommend the Flexi's for anyone who does that kinda of work a lot. If it's a one-off then they're not really worth it. I suppose you could always sell them when you're done and get near what you paid for them back.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Took the day off yesterday. Bummed around, got groceries, did the dishes, made the Ole' Woman dinner so it was ready when she got home from work. I know, I'm whipped. Oh well she works hard and has to pay for the boat so I guess I shouldn't complain! :lol:

Web log updated: Just a quick update. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/took-day-off.html

Want to come help me fair this Dusty Cracker? It's only 90 degs and low humidity in the boat shed! :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:55 pm
by Cracker Larry
It's only 90 degs and low humidity in the boat shed! :lol:
That would a cold snap for me :lol: I just gave it up for the day too, ran out of Quick Fair and energy before I ran out of boat. I'll come up a knock that one out right after I finish this one :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
It's only 90 degs and low humidity in the boat shed! :lol:
That would a cold snap for me :lol: I just gave it up for the day too, ran out of Quick Fair and energy before I ran out of boat. I'll come up a knock that one out right after I finish this one :lol:
Ya know I believe you would Larry! :wink:

It'd be funny seein' a southerner wearing a toque & parka in the boat shed in 90 deg weather! :lol:

Sand on dusty brother.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I know you guys been on the edge of your seats for 'nuther sanding video! Your wait is over! :lol:

http://youtu.be/UQ1nOE51V-g

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:49 pm
by jorgepease
The Flexicat tools really impress me in this video, leaves very little sanding to cleanup.
I hope to never fair again!

http://youtu.be/Se4SuTrznoI

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:The Flexicat tools really impress me in this video, leaves very little sanding to cleanup.
I hope to never fair again!

http://youtu.be/Se4SuTrznoI
I really wanted to get one of those spreader Flexi's but they weren't available. I tried a couple of other things like a 12" drywall knife, a 2x36" aluminum flat bar, nothing worked.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
I often get asked 'how much is this boat going to cost?', well I've tried to track what we've spent over the years and capture that in a spreadsheet. I've always had a spreadsheet online to share with other builders/dreamers and have now included a couple of spreadsheets on our web log to illustrate what it costs: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/adde ... tures.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My new apprentice showed up today for his first taste of Sandinsanity! Poor kid will never be the same! :wink: Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/06/more ... -work.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Two of us managed to get 5 hrs of sanding in on the keel. A few more hours dealing with little details on the fairing then it's almost ready for epoxy coat then primer. If I were hazard a guess we'll flip this whale over somewhere around the 30th. of this month! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:50 pm
by garym
Is the apprentice in for the long haul or is he going to melt?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
garym wrote:Is the apprentice in for the long haul or is he going to melt?
Oh he says he's in for the distance. We only gave up after 5 hrs today 'cause he ran out of steam! :lol: He's a good kid though. Jumped right in today and got to it! More ambition than most 15 yr old kids I've met so I'll give him that. 8)

We were supposed to get high 80's today. Never got anywhere near it so that was a bonus. It's usually 10 to 15 degs warmer in the shed.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got dust? :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Happy Independence Day to our friends south of the border but work goes on in the Big Blue Boat Building Shed. I hope you and your loved ones are all safe from the hurricane.

I put my lil' shop helper to work with yet more sanding on the keel. We're almost there. A few minor spots to fill & fair but that's 'bout it. I'll start sealing it up with a few coats of neat epoxy.

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Sunday I'll be shopping for hardware I'll need to get to rig the Gin Pole. 16' long 6"x6" is on order and is what I'll use for the gin pole. Compressive breaking strength is 26,137 lbs. X and Y axis buckling is approx. 1386 psi. My best guess his this hull weights about 1100 lbs tops so I think I've got enough capacity to lift it. I'll use a 2500lb electric winch for lift and a come-along to pull the bottom sideways in the shed. That's the plan anyways.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/it-m ... -been.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Crude animation of how I think I'll flip the hull using a Gin Pole. A lot of details were left out. I've never made an animation before. It was really clunky doing it in Sketchup. So there's no tag lines or come-a-longs showing etc.

http://youtu.be/_3QHe8nnk3w

Carpal tunnel has been kicking up bad these past two days so I've laid off sanding for a bit. Back at it tomorrow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:57 pm
by vondel44
Rick, due to little height in my shed,my plan is to attach a pole in front and aft. Not to roast the beast, just turn It. Not a readymade plan yet. Would love your comment. Gr Simon P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
vondel44 wrote:Rick, due to little height in my shed,my plan is to attach a pole in front and aft. Not to roast the beast, just turn It. Not a readymade plan yet. Would love your comment. Gr Simon P
I thought of that or spinning on it's long axis at each end. Here's how some pro's do it.

http://youtu.be/zjHfKdW-qO4

I think this is really a much simpler task that it seems. Those who haven't done it have a tendency to over think and over complicate it. I do that a lot! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:56 pm
by BarraMan
Here's how I flipped my 22' hull - one man job!

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Too easy!

Like Larry said, "Like turning a pig on a spit"!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:33 pm
by Cracker Larry
That is a really nice hoist set up 8) Did you buy that, or rent it, or borrow it? Nothing to flipping a big boat if you can determine the balance point for the pivots and have the ability to lift it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:45 pm
by BarraMan
Cracker Larry wrote:That is a really nice hoist set up 8) Did you buy that, or rent it, or borrow it? Nothing to flipping a big boat if you can determine the balance point for the pivots and have the ability to lift it.


Rented it for the morning from an equipment hire place ($200?). Really nice bit of kit - alloy, so light but strong. Breaks down into bits so easy to handle. Don't remember the capacity, maybe 1000 kg - but way above what was required for my hull.

See here: http://www.liftandshift.com.au/index.ph ... RIES&lvl=1

Aussie company but I would be surprised if you can't get the same thing in the US - and probably cheaper!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
That is a nice piece of kit. I looked at building a gantry but really don't have the room for it. Maybe if I cleaned up a bit I would! :lol: A gantry would be in the way most of the time though. I have enough stuff kicking around that I have to move it all the time. The hired minion and I will get a lot of the cutoffs out of the shed this week so that'll help. I still think the Gin Pole is the answer.

Cleaning the hull this afternoon in prep for first coats of epoxy tomorrow. The epoxy coats will get a light sanding then we'll shoot some primer on it day after that I think.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:29 am
by mindunderwater
Congrats on executing your 'roll maneuver' :) what a great milestone.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
mindunderwater wrote:Congrats on executing your 'roll maneuver' :) what a great milestone.
Not done yet! Hold on a bit longer! :D

So get this. I wanted to order a longer (1 meter) intermediate shaft for my Python drive. Contacted the mfgr in Holland. Cost was very reasonable. €55 and then it ballooned from there! They only accept Electronic Money Transfer bank to bank.

Shaft: €55 - $80.00
Shipping: €80 - $116.25
Bank surcharge: $30.00
EMT: $100.00
Total: €224.51 - $326.25 Cdn

That's almost exactly 4 times the cost of the part! :( I think I'll have a local machine shop reverse engineer a longer shaft for the Python Drive. Still gonna be spendy but whoever said building a boat was cheap eh?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:41 am
by mindunderwater
At that rate you'd think:

It would arrive born upon the wings of angels.

The bank would send you holiday greeting cards until the end of time, complete with quality chocolates.

The part would install itself.

Alas none of those things are going to happen. Unless it's a no-go $-wise if you need the thing I'd probably just get it TBH...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
mindunderwater wrote:At that rate you'd think:
You'd think in this day and age Banks, who are so very very good and stripping the lint from our pockets would at least be competitive with online services. I sat down at the computer this afternoon and tried 7 different online payment services, Western Union, HyperWallet, Xoom etc. before I landed on Xendpay a UK company that will process the online payment and direct bank account deposit into a company held account. The others would only let you send money to an individual.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/just ... ation.html

Now return to your regularly scheduled forum activities! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:14 am
by bigtalljv
I flipped my 20' hull with a couple young college offensive linemen(college football) and a bunch of tires. I happen to be an old linemen and live in the town I went to college in.

Jason

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
bigtalljv wrote:I flipped my 20' hull with a couple young college offensive linemen(college football) and a bunch of tires. I happen to be an old linemen and live in the town I went to college in.
I played Highschool football once Jason. Two and a half minutes. They carried me off. That's all I remember! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My shop helper and I worked on my 'lean-to' so I could get all the offcuts and panels out of the shed. We're going to need all the room we can get in the shed for the flip.

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Date for the flip is the 30th. of this month. It's all I can think about now! :roll: Still got a load of work to do. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:00 am
by jorgepease
Good luck with that, post pics of the flip!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:Good luck with that, post pics of the flip!
Thanks Jorge

The Big Flip is off for awhile. I hate setting deadlines! :oops: My boat building fund has taken a hit outfitting my Kid to go out west to seek his fortune in the land of opportunity (Alberta). I suspect we'll flip the pig over end of September now.

Started to seal up the fairing compound. When I went to the shed this morning I had no idea what I was actually gonna do so this is what happened. The first coat of tinted epoxy going on the sides & transom.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/star ... er-up.html

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:15 pm
by sds
Looks pretty cool from here. Must feel good getting the hull all sealed up.

You're doing an amazing job!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:01 pm
by selever
I cannot figure out what is caused by the tint and what is caused by the blue shrink wrap! :D

I'm looking forward to your flip!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
sds wrote:Looks pretty cool from here. Must feel good getting the hull all sealed up.
It looks Ok. I'm a little worried about the bubbles in the goop. I'll likely end up sanding that side before anything else goes on. Got a few tips from a Pro on how to do it so we'll try that tomorrow and maybe make another video.
sds wrote:You're doing an amazing job!
Thanks, but I actually have no idea what I'm doing though! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
selever wrote:I cannot figure out what is caused by the tint and what is caused by the blue shrink wrap! :D
It's blue? Huh? I'm color blind so I never notice. All shades of grey to me! :wink: Just be thankful I didn't use my iPhone, it makes the whole thing look a lot more blue. Well, so I've been told! :|
selever wrote:I'm looking forward to your flip!
Me too. I'm so anxious to get it turned over and get working on the inside. It's been upside down now for almost 3 years. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today I went over the area I coated with epoxy yesterday. I first took the shiny stuff off with the RO then hit it with the Flexicats. Both 80 grit.

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You can see the big shiny spot running down the hull. That's a low area. You can't see it and you couldn't feel it. I'm glad I did it this way. I now know more of what I'm up against. Overall I'm very happy with the way it's turning out. I may actually get a decent looking hull after all (if I don't screw it up).

Web log updated: M/V She:Kon: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/its- ... curve.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:34 am
by blueflood
Hi knottyBuoyz,

Yeah !! coming along great. The flip changes your outlook and you can almost see a speck of light in the far distance :lol: Next time I drive east around Iroquois, I will be certain to visit. I pretty well all burned my vacation time this year - four weeks now after 8 years at DND but they just flew by like a flash :roll:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Managed to get some epoxy on the bulwarks yesterday morning before the heavens opened up. The shed roof leaks so I was getting pee'd on. The storm blew over and I got back out in the afternoon to get the port side & transom coated. This morning I got all the way around the boat with another coat.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/mons ... epoxy.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I got an early start, 07:00 this morning. I knew I was in for a long day.

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The plan was to get one complete coat on the keel & bottom panels before it got too hot. I didn't make it. By noon I was wasted. Only made it about 2/3's of the way around.

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Took me almost 2 hours just to wipe the keel & bottom down before I started. This is one freakin' big boat! :roll:

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/got-early-start.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
So technically the hull is now waterproof! :lol:

That bald spot on the stbd side got coated this morning and I worked my way around the bottom panels so they got their second coat. I'll go out this evening when it's a little cooler and hit the stbd side bottom again and try to get a second coat on the keel from the step ladder with an extension handle.

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Been a tough slog without my shop helper. Nobody said this was gonna be easy. Just an overwhelming amount of real estate that's gotta be covered. I have to say I am more than pleased with the way it's turning out. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:59 pm
by Walkers Run
what a milestone, must feel great. Congratulations!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:20 pm
by jorgepease
Looking great, all that fairing was even making me tired LOL )

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:Looking great, all that fairing was even making me tired LOL )
*Spew!* :lol: Just spit my morning coffee all over my laptop!

Good one jorgepease. Thanks for looking in Walkers Run. It'll be a real milestone when (if) I can get this whale flipped over!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding off the shiny stuff. Didn't make a sanding movie. I know you're all disappointed! :lol:

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Filling in a few low spots.

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Goin' for a boat ride! They yacht is rigged & ready. I'm worried the Jeep won't be able to pull it! :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Oh look! I got that part sanded! :D
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Oh sh*t! I still gotta do that part! :|
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It's Cracker Larry hot & humid in the shed today. 80 F plus the most humidity we've had all summer at 08:00 this morning. Sanded epoxy won't even turn to dust. It just balls up an sticks to the sandpaper! :?

Working my way down the port side bottom panel from bow to stern. This will be the last sanding of the hull before primer.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/arou ... we-go.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So yesterday was exactly 3 months I've been fairing, filling & sanding this whale! :roll: Still a few days away from being able to shoot some primer on it though. The list of items to be addressed is getting shorter!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/07/thre ... nting.html

Beer time! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:18 pm
by jorgepease
I was sick of fairing after two weeks, don't know how you manage!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:I was sick of fairing after two weeks, don't know how you manage!
Autopilot I guess.

Sorta hit a milestone today. Keel & bottom panels sanded. The RO sander came off the top of the boat never ever to go back up again! 8)

I've got maybe another day sanding on the sides & bulwarks & corners and then she'll get cleaned up for primer. I do have a couple of low spots on the sides that might need 'nuther coat of epoxy. I think they're too deep for primer to hide. We'll see tomorrow when the sanding is done.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
I can feel your pain. 3 months of fairing and sanding :help: Makes me tired just thinking about it. Let us know when you are finished and I'll make a toast just for you :D Dang, I know that isn't easy.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
That's It! I'm done sanding! 5+ hrs today sanding the chines & stem by hand plus I went over the sides & transom with the Flexicats one more time for good measure. Tomorrow I'll clean it all off and wipe it down. Depending on the weather I hope to start spraying primer on it on Wednesday! :wink:

Beer Time!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:42 pm
by Cracker Larry
Rum cheer in hand to you, my friend :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:36 pm
by jorgepease
Excellent!!! Can't wait to see it with primer!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:42 am
by wegcagle
Congrats 8) As much time, effort, etc as you've put into fairing it she's gonna be amazing with primer/paint 8)

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:48 pm
by antoniekruger
8) 8) Post some primer pics soon - good job.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:04 pm
by blueflood
Way to go Rick...that is one major feat 8)

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Fella's. All the positive feedback helps a lot.

I made a critical mistake yesterday. Was in a hurry and grabbed lunch at Mickey D's. Oh I paid for that all evening and all night. :cry: Why oh why did I do that? I know that stuff is sh*t but did it anyways. :roll:

Anyhow, lumber for the gin pole & rolling frames is in the door yard. Going on a scrounge for the last lil' bits & bobs of hardware I need to rig the gin pole today. Should be back to 100% by tomorrow to get it cleaned up & wiped down for primer.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:01 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rain Delay

Looks like we have 5 or 6 days of rain in the forecast. Temps in the low 60's & humidity through the roof. I can't spray the primer in these conditions. The shed roof leaks! *sigh* That will definitely have to get fixed when the boat has been flipped.

Until the weather clears I'll start work on the Gin Pole & rigging. I picked up all the hardware I'll need yesterday. The lumber for the rolling frames was delivered the day before.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:54 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

I am reading your post and where I am sitting in Gatineau at work, it is pitch dark grey and thundering like the end of the world :lol: ...hmmm with that forecast, boat will have to wait a bit :roll:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick,

I am reading your post and where I am sitting in Gatineau at work, it is pitch dark grey and thundering like the end of the world :lol: ...hmmm with that forecast, boat will have to wait a bit :roll:

Marc
Hey Marc

West end of Ottawa is without power. Cornwall got hammered. Horizontal rain, wind, hail you name it. I hid in the basement with the cats! :wink:

I got 'nuff work to keep me busy. You stay dry!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well we did manage to get a lil' break in the weather so I decided to give this spray painting primer thing a go. I made a mess. I don't think HVLP & high build barrier coat primer work too well together. The spray pattern was tiny, about 2-1/2" wide. Took forever to get about a quarter of the way around the boat so after lunch I switched to the roller and it went much faster.

I know it looks blue in the picture but it's not, Thank Gawd!!!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/let- ... paint.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:11 pm
by jorgepease
Looks like she came out Fair!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:Looks like she came out Fair!!!
I think it's going to be Ok! Tried to get a shot showing how good it looks but the light was too low contrast in the shed today.

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It won't look like it popped out of a mold and however it turns out is what it is. It's still a home built boat. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Rick, looks fair to me 8) Nice looking work, way above my pay grade. Lots of hard work, I have enjoyed watching your build...
You need to bring in the blue man group for the flip 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:41 pm
by jorgepease
I don't know which camera you have but most of them let you set the white balance in case you wanted white pics )

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
jorgepease wrote:I don't know which camera you have but most of them let you set the white balance in case you wanted white pics )
Mostly I use the GoPro Hero 2. I don't think it has any settings for white balance. The other is my iPhone, it's even more un-smart! :lol: Doesn't help that the shed is covered in blue plastic either! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:59 pm
by ks8
8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Pretty in Primer! 8O

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Still have one more gallon to put on tomorrow. That'll give me two full coats on the hull. I'll be out of primer so that's gonna have to do for now. Took me about 3-1/2 hours and I don't know how many climbs up the step ladder! Oh I need a hot shower & a siesta! :wink:

More pics & details on the blog site: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/pret ... rimer.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:50 pm
by ks8
I have to keep reminding myself that you scaled that hull up. That's a lot of sanding and priming. I'm tired just from looking at the picture. Its a good tired, yes? :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:I have to keep reminding myself that you scaled that hull up. That's a lot of sanding and priming. I'm tired just from looking at the picture. Its a good tired, yes? :)
It's a meter longer than a standard TW28.

It's a good tired yup. You know you accomplished something at the end of the day. I'm not used to working a full day after having spent 20 yrs behind a computer for a living! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks great! You are one tough hombre :)
Every time I look at a TW28 I think it would be...no I'm not going there :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:42 pm
by jorgepease
yeah, I would be intimidated tackling something that size lol! Nice Job!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Aripeka Angler wrote:Every time I look at a TW28 I think it would be...no I'm not going there :lol:
The Stranger: Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you. :lol:


Psst. It just looks bigger in the pictures! :wink:

Thanks Fella's. Keep the flattery coming! :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:46 am
by Noles309
Nice! Huge milestone there 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Gary. One more lil' item off the loooooooong list of stuff to do yet.

I lost today's round though. It started out warm in the shed and got hotter, quickly. I was hoping to get the keel & bottom covered then let it tack so I could hot roll on the anti-foul as per mfgr's recommendation. Couldn't do it. The heat and the amount of real estate I had to cover beat me. I was pushing too hard to try to get it done and ended up making a mess while the primer kicked off in the paint tray. So now I've consigned my self to having to sand the keel & bottom one more time. Small price to pay I think to be able to work at a more comfortable pace. The sides have two coats of primer and the transom has three. That's all they'll get unless they need more at final fairing before shiny paint goes on.

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I know it's hard to tell from the pics but it turned out pretty good. I'm happy with it.

So tomorrow's task is to get the second coat of primer on the bottom panels. That'll sit for a day or two then I'll sand them to key the surface for the anti-foul. I have to mark the water line and mask off the sides before that stuff goes on.

There's a few more details & pics on the web log if you're interested. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/i-lo ... round.html

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:07 pm
by Corto Maltese
Well done, Rick! I'm just few weeks behind you: fairing and sanding merry go round.
Can you explain me, why you are going already to put antifouling on? My plan is just to cover hull with two layers of epoxy primer and than later (sand:) another one before final color and antifouling.
I hope your stock of beer is complete now.
Cheerz,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:Well done, Rick! I'm just few weeks behind you: fairing and sanding merry go round.
Can you explain me, why you are going already to put antifouling on? My plan is just to cover hull with two layers of epoxy primer and than later (sand:) another one before final color and antifouling.
I hope your stock of beer is complete now.
Hi Dario

Nice to hear from you. I thought it would be easier to put the anti-foul on while I have gravity work with me. I've painted bottoms of boats before, laying on my back, on the cold ground and it's not fun getting covered in splatter! :roll: Besides that, there's the very bottom of the keel that'll be hard to do later when it's sitting on blocks. I've noticed a few other builders have done this too.

Show us some pics of your progress sometime. It's nice to know I'm not alone in this gong show!

Cheers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:37 pm
by Cracker Larry
Rick, you probably know this, but just in case you don't. Many anti-fouling paints are made to be put in the water fairly quick, and lose their anti-fouling capabilities with much time spent dry. Others work dry, but they do have an effective lifespan, no matter if the boat is used or not. Make sure the AF you choose will still be AF after another 2 or 3 years of sitting dry. Other than that, your reasoning is sound. Better not to fight gravity any time you have the opportunity. I'd paint it too, if I found a paint that would last dry for years and still do the AF job. In our warm waters here, boats that stay in the water have to repainted every year or so anyway.

BTW, they sell white plastic and it sure would be easier on my eyes! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Rick, you probably know this, but just in case you don't. Many anti-fouling paints are made to be put in the water fairly quick, and lose their anti-fouling capabilities with much time spent dry. Others work dry, but they do have an effective lifespan, no matter if the boat is used or not. Make sure the AF you choose will still be AF after another 2 or 3 years of sitting dry. Other than that, your reasoning is sound. Better not to fight gravity any time you have the opportunity. I'd paint it too, if I found a paint that would last dry for years and still do the AF job. In our warm waters here, boats that stay in the water have to repainted every year or so anyway.
Hey Larry

I did check with the mfgr. They said it would be ok. I'll just have to roll a coat on before it goes in the water. We're all fresh water up here so the worst we get is a bit of slime around the waterline. The Zebra muscles have everything cleaned up pretty much. You get a few of those lil' suckers growing on stuff but not many.
Cracker Larry wrote:BTW, they sell white plastic and it sure would be easier on my eyes! :lol:
Hold on! Sheez! I have some frosted greenhouse plastic (greenhouse, not green as in color!) to go on the roof. Just ain't gotten around to it! :oops:


It'll have to be done as soon as the boat's flipped otherwise the hull will turn into a pool! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:08 am
by Knottybuoyz
That's it. Hull is primed. Two coats on absolutely everything plus an extra coat on the transom and bow. I'm done with primer. Terribly messy stuff to work with. I was sort of hoping the paint sprayer would eliminate a lot of the work but that didn't work out as planned. :-( Oh well, it is what it is. I figure it took me 20 hrs to get both coats on over 4 days. This morning's session was only a couple of hours. I used up all the paint. Four gallons in total.

Rest of today I'm going to organize my hardware etc. for the Gin Pole. Have to move some stuff around and start digging the hole for the pole. Might even start rigging the pole. Dunno yet. My hands are killing me. Maybe it is time to get sanding again! ;-)

Taking tomorrow off to let the primer firm up then I'll lightly sand the keel & bottom panels for anti-fouling. Hopefully that'll go a lot quicker.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:07 pm
by ks8
8)

Can you sand that primer next day without clogging paper? What did you use?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Can you sand that primer next day without clogging paper? What did you use?
Yes sandable in a day. I used a competitors bottom paint so I'd rather not say.

I got a few dandelion seeds in the fresh primer the other day so I sanded them out today! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Took the day off from boat building. Went and saw some old friends. Just like in the song it's good for the soul. :D

Anyhow, having a day off leaves lotsa time to think. I was reflecting on all the work that went into prepping the outside of the hull, most of which was due to my own inexperience and I've reconsidered doing a vacuum resin infusion of the inside of the hull. I put together a rough estimate of the costs of materials to do that and the rationale behind the decision in my latest blog update:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/see- ... iends.html

I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to do it this way. I just have to gather all the ingredients to make it happen. The downside is it won't happen till next spring but that's ok.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:13 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick...finally :D
I am in the same "boat" as you. Anti fouling went on early; Petit Unepoxy (blue) because of long lead time before seeing water and yes a light coat just before launch. It is wicked smelly stuff and very hard.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick...finally :D
I am in the same "boat" as you. Anti fouling went on early; Petit Unepoxy (blue) because of long lead time before seeing water and yes a light coat just before launch. It is wicked smelly stuff and very hard.
Hey Flood

Nice going! I should have had some on the bottom of the keel by now but things sorta went off the tracks yesterday. I started to lightly sand the keel & bottom to prep it for anti-foul and immediately burned right through the primer. Doh! Anyhow, what to do, say 'screw it' or 'roll on more primer? I don't have any primer left so off to the store in Ottawa I go! *sigh*

I do apologize for the delay in flipping this tub. All the good intentions in the world don't add up to a hill of beans in my world! :roll:

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/best ... often.html

More sandinsanity to come. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:55 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Yes, it is seemingly two steps forward and one back with this game :lol: At least there is more boat to show than a pile of plywood on the racks when you first started. Keep plugging away. Fall is in the air now...that is dragging me down.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Yes, it is seemingly two steps forward and one back with this game :lol: At least there is more boat to show than a pile of plywood on the racks when you first started. Keep plugging away. Fall is in the air now...that is dragging me down.
Hey Marc

Yeah, it's progress though. Appreciate the slightly cooler temps. Time to hit it hard and get in a decent days work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
One last coat of primer going on the keel & bottom panels.
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This one is an industrial grade underwater epoxy primer. It came highly recommended by a fellow boat builder so I thought I'd give it a try. Once this is on I'll put some antifouling on the bottom of the keel then flip this pig over.
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm done with primer & bottom coat. There's nothing left I have to do to the boat before I flip it. Probably a couple of weeks till that happens. Can you contain your excitement? :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:41 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick....hahaaaa I am trying :lol: That is one huge milestone though; the flip. Once she is right side up it kind of dawns on you that the hull must have grown exponentially on two dimensions. :lol:

I am thinking of taking income averaging next year. Five weeks is the minimum plus vacation time, so 9 weeks total and a fair chunk of it working on Harmony. Every year it looks like I need to add another on my schedule. :roll:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:42 pm
by ks8
Congratulations Rick! 8) Enjoy planning and engineering the flip ... and eat your spinach. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick....hahaaaa I am trying :lol: That is one huge milestone though; the flip. Once she is right side up it kind of dawns on you that the hull must have grown exponentially on two dimensions. :lol:

I am thinking of taking income averaging next year. Five weeks is the minimum plus vacation time, so 9 weeks total and a fair chunk of it working on Harmony. Every year it looks like I need to add another on my schedule. :roll:
Hey Marc

I know a lotta people at work took the income averaging option. It's really great when you have small kids, family responsibilities & sports activities etc. Great way to fund some extra leave. Go for ti!

I'm trying to figure out how I can install an escalator into the boat, one that goes up then turns and goes back down! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Congratulations Rick! 8) Enjoy planning and engineering the flip ... and eat your spinach. :D
I'm thinkin' it's gonna take a lot more than spinach KS! :wink: I'll try to lure in some volunteers with smoked sausages on the grill & ice cold beer. So far that hasn't worked out too well. :roll: My buddy Peter is coming from Montreal to help. He's flipped a big hull before so that's a real plus!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:49 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm trying to figure out how I can install an escalator into the boat, one that goes up then turns and goes back down! :lol:
You aren't kidding. Before you are finished you'll make a million trips up and down the stairs while carrying something heavy or sticky. Probably like climbing the Sears Tower 3 times a day :help: I think I'd dig a hole in the ground and recess the boat flush :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:32 pm
by Walkers Run
Cracker Larry wrote:
I think I'd dig a hole in the ground and recess the boat flush :lol:
Wish I'd thought of that !

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:57 pm
by blueflood
Classic CL :lol: Not tooooo late for mine 8) Kinda like a drydock in a garage, under a shed, a carport....

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote: You aren't kidding. Before you are finished you'll make a million trips up and down the stairs while carrying something heavy or sticky. Probably like climbing the Sears Tower 3 times a day :help: I think I'd dig a hole in the ground and recess the boat flush :lol:
If I dig a hole it'll be to drop the boat in it and fill the b*tch with water and take a swim in it! Maybe turn it into a trout pond or something! :roll:

It's a Canadian boat CL so it'd have to be the CN Tower not he Sears Tower. The CN Tower has 2,579 steps. 8O

I need the exercise anyways. Build a boat they said. It'll be fun they said. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:26 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, now before you jump down my back about the anti-fouling on the bottom I just want to say I contacted the mfgr and told them what it was I intended to do. They said it will be fine. I'll have to abrade it with a scotchbrite pad & recoat before it goes in the water. I did my homework on that point.[/rant]

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The boat is horribly out of level from 3 yrs of sitting on cement blocks. I'll mark the waterline etc. once it's flipped and re-leveled.

There's a couple more pics on the the web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/pics ... mised.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Is this hole gonna be big 'nuff? :lol: Just kidding, it's for the Gin Pole. I could only get down about 2 feet and hit some big rocks. Gotta scrounge up a wrecking bar or something to see if I can get a little deeper.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
The rains came heavy yesterday. My lil' hole was flooded this morning! :lol: It actually helped a bit. I was able to dig some more out of it. Started rigging up the Gin Pole. I updated our blog but to keep it short here it is in a nutshell.

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6 X 6 to transfer weight to the ground. Rigging is almost all 1/2" hardware. Lifting power comes from a 2500lb 12V winch with 1/4" cable. Dragging the rolling frame sideways will be with a small hand winch like you find on a trailer.

I used 1/2" u-bolts. The upper one is for the load. The lower one is for the ratchet straps that'll hold the pole in place.

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Rest of the details if you're interested are on our blog: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/gin- ... gging.html

Bringing in the lumber to build the rolling frames this afternoon.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:01 pm
by colinhart
Best of luck Rick I hope it goes okay Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Best of luck Rick I hope it goes okay Colin
If you never hear from me again Colin you'll know it was a failure! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
Gin Pole went up a lot easier than I thought it would.

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Used the electric winch I rigged into the ride of the shed to lift it into place. I thought it might be a two man job but managed it on my own. Just kept running from side to side as I lifted it a few feet at a time. Worked flawlessly.

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Web log updated with a lot more pics & details: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/lot- ... ought.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
Wow. This I've got to see :D It's amazing some of the things we can do alone if we think them through and take it slow and easy. I think I'd get some help for the boat flip though :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Wow. This I've got to see :D It's amazing some of the things we can do alone if we think them through and take it slow and easy. I think I'd get some help for the boat flip though :help:
My buddy Peter is coming up from Montreal. He's flipped a hull before so that's gonna help. The wife won't let me do it along anyways. :roll:

Cool here today Larry. 60 F at noon. 50 when I went out to the shed this morning. Are you getting any relief from the heat yet?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:38 pm
by bigtalljv
i guess your flip is a bit beyond the 8 or 12 offensive lineman I used to flip my 20' hull. :lol: You have a rugby team near by? Set the video camera up, I want to see it work.

jason

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:20 pm
by Joe H
50 F here this morning too, we also got the ran the other day, WOW.

I put my anti-fouling paint on 3 years before I launched, the boats been in the water for 2 months now and looks great, no build-up of anykind, and didn’t touch it up before launch.

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I’d come and help you with the flip but it’s a long way up the 401. Ha.

Awesome progress!

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Joe H wrote:50 F here this morning too, we also got the ran the other day, WOW.

I’d come and help you with the flip but it’s a long way up the 401. Ha.

Awesome progress!
Thanks Joe

It's only 'bout a 7 hr drive! C'mon over! :lol: Should be nice weather with this polar vortex thing happening. I had to wear long pants in the shed today! Wish I could send Cracker Larry some of this cooler weather. I think he needs it more than us.

What kind of anti-fouling did you put on yours?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
bigtalljv wrote:i guess your flip is a bit beyond the 8 or 12 offensive lineman I used to flip my 20' hull. :lol: You have a rugby team near by? Set the video camera up, I want to see it work.
Hey Jason

I don't think I could get that many guys in my shed. It'd be a lil' bit tight. I figure the boat maybe ways 1100 lbs or so. They'd have to be pretty fit too! I'll let the equipment do the heavy lifting. I think I can do it myself but the wife won't let me. My insurance will only cover $1M if someone gets squished during the process! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:52 pm
by Joe H
What kind of anti-fouling did you put on yours?
Interlux

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Installed the 2500 lb winch on the Gin Pole. Batteries for the remote were DOA so had to go running around for them as well as replacing the bench vise I broke.

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Carpal tunnel is acting up. Might have to slow down a bit for a day or two.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:38 am
by Knottybuoyz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
I was running over the flipping scenario in my head over and over again last night, watching vids on Youtube, the animation I made and looking at a few blog sites when I realized I missed something really important. It took awhile but I figured it out.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/ooop ... oblem.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Starting to assemble the rolling frames around the hull. It's going together pretty much as I figured it would.

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The forward most frame will be a bit more involved. It doesn't fall on a form so I'll have to build one in as I go. A lil' wee lunch break then back at it.

Standby.....

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/lott ... orkin.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Been dealing with a sick cat (four legged furry kind) for the last few days so not much got done in the boat shed.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/cat-emergency.html

Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:14 pm
by Cracker Larry
Hope cat gets well soon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Hope cat gets well soon.
Thanks Larry. I think she's turned the corner to recovery. Little shit!

More rolling frames today. Hotter 'n Hell in the shed. I keep waiting for this Polar Vortex thing to happen. :doh:

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Web Log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/roll ... inued.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Gettin' there, slowly but surely. The frames are almost done. I need some more 2X6's for the longitudinal braces. Will pick those up tomorrow. Will also have to take a quick trip to Princess Auto for some of the rigging I'll need to pull this thing over. Decided to go way over capacity of a few things just to be sure.

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Started to disassemble some of the strongback that we put together 3 yrs & 1 week ago! :wink:

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More pics on the web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/inch ... loser.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Installed the longitudinal beams (if that's what you can call them). These will take the pull when I start to turn the hull. I increased them to 2X6's, screwed & bolted to the turning frames.

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Three sides of the lifting frame will get pulled on during the flip so I'll rig all three the same.

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The more I get into this the more I realize I know nothing about what I'm doing! :oops: Should have paid more attention in those engineering classes in college. :?

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/shou ... ntion.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:18 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm holding my breath 8O Sure hope you got this figured out :!:

Remember the 5 Ps. Preparation prevents pizz poor performance.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:38 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick, good luck :wink: and the college observation ?...if I knew then what I know now :lol: yep, way too many distractions back then.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:41 pm
by ks8
Looks like you're getting close! Enough hands and backs to help you will help you enjoy the finished project without having to get any vertebrae fused. Not many things worse than having something start to shift unexpectedly, and one back tries to stop or correct what required four backs. Don't ask me how I know. :help: Sure helps to have equal weight and load on a two frame system, to minimize any temptation for there to be any funky twisting or cracky things wanting to happen to anything (particularly bones). Wish I could be there to help and enjoy the flip with you. :D Here I am thinking what a heavy project that is going to be to roll, while my fourteen and a half footer is probably not much lighter than your hull right now. :lol:

Have you got timelapse photos planned, to put into a movie clip?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:27 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Impressive work and preparations, I am sure the flip will work.
A small comment: have you considered using two poles, one at each frame with hand operated winches? This might require less strengthening of the framing lengthwise. Just athought, you already put a lot of thought in this, and I am convinced it will just work as plannen. Good luck.
Once flippend, you will be in for a surprise: this is a huge hull... On the other hand, it will start looking like a ship, which lightens the work.
Looking forward to your progress.
Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:I'm holding my breath 8O Sure hope you got this figured out :!:

Remember the 5 Ps. Preparation prevents pizz poor performance.
Breath Larry! Breath! Nothing too exciting happening yet worth holding your breath over! :wink:

I think I had it figured out a couple of years ago then I forgot. :doh: Easy thing to 'overthink though'. Gotta stop doing that.

PPPPP - Got it!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Looks like you're getting close! Enough hands and backs to help you will help you enjoy the finished project without having to get any vertebrae fused. Not many things worse than having something start to shift unexpectedly, and one back tries to stop or correct what required four backs. Don't ask me how I know. :help: Sure helps to have equal weight and load on a two frame system, to minimize any temptation for there to be any funky twisting or cracky things wanting to happen to anything (particularly bones). Wish I could be there to help and enjoy the flip with you. :D Here I am thinking what a heavy project that is going to be to roll, while my fourteen and a half footer is probably not much lighter than your hull right now. :lol:

Have you got timelapse photos planned, to put into a movie clip?
Hey Ks8

Should be just two of us for this operation. There's really no room in the shed for more bodies unless they want to volunteer to throw their bodies under the boat should it take a tumble! :wink: I've only got $1M in liability insurance so that will cover just one extra set of hands I think. I've got two tag lines that'll hopefully control any out of control boat movements. I'm going to make two tracks out of the strongback frame for the frames to ride in. That should help keep things under some control. The frames are likely farther apart (12') than a regular TW28 so the load should be spread out farther. The bow will be easier to control than the stern which I think is heavier.

I'm going to stick the GoPro up in the corner of the shed to hopefully get the whole operation on video.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:Impressive work and preparations, I am sure the flip will work.
A small comment: have you considered using two poles, one at each frame with hand operated winches? This might require less strengthening of the framing lengthwise. Just athought, you already put a lot of thought in this, and I am convinced it will just work as plannen. Good luck.
Once flippend, you will be in for a surprise: this is a huge hull... On the other hand, it will start looking like a ship, which lightens the work.
Looking forward to your progress.

Thanks Peter

I had thought of rolling the boat over on the long axis. Two A frames would have done it. The problem with that idea is I would have had to tear the entire front off the shed and left it open for a time. It would have faced the prevailing westerly winds (sometimes quite strong) and likely blown my shed apart. I think the way I'm doing it, going slow and steady, will work fine. I just fret over it all the time.

Yes it's big! I dare say the biggest Bateau boat so far! 8O The best is yet to come, finishing the inside and fitting her out. That's what I'm really working for! 8)

Thanks everybody for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Increased the capacity of some of the lifting rig. Pulley blocks are 8 Ton and the cable winch is 2 ton. I'll use the cable winch if the electric one proves it's not up to the task (worried about it not being able to hold the weight).

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37 C or 99F in the boat shed at noon. No work in there today.

The list of stuff on my 'End of Boat Project' yard sale is getting longer! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:28 pm
by bigtalljv
Space seems to be a recurring issue for you, you do have a way to get this out of your yard on a trailer don't you ? :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
bigtalljv wrote:Space seems to be a recurring issue for you, you do have a way to get this out of your yard on a trailer don't you ? :lol:
Oh yeah. The Toy Hauler guy has already been here. He's sure he can get it out! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:52 am
by blueflood
Rick, it will be one mother relief when she is flipped. I keep scanning your build every day to see the right side up - it is coming :D ...then you may say "what in the h*ll have I gotten myself into :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Rick, it will be one mother relief when she is flipped. I keep scanning your build every day to see the right side up - it is coming :D
Hey Marc. It's coming. Slowly. I'm waiting to hear from my buddy in Montreal when he'll be available. Hopefully sometime within the next two weeks. At the pace I'm working at I'll need those two weeks to get this thing properly rigged.
blueflood wrote: ...then you may say "what in the h*ll have I gotten myself into :lol:
I utter those exact words to myself every time I walk into the shed! "WTF have I gotten myself into?" :lol: Then there's the writing on the door to the shed: "Abandon all hope yea who enter here!" :lol:

Was doing some more Friggin' with the Riggin' again today. The 8 ton pulley blocks I got aren't exactly ideal for this situation so there'll be some more 'Backyard Eyeball Engineering' going on!

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I think the correct Engineering term for the picture above is 'Cluster F*ck!'. Yup, that's right. Nailed that one right on the head!

Got more ponderin' to do on how to fix that mess.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/frig ... again.html

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:00 pm
by ks8
Glad to hear of the track for it all to ride in. :D

Looking forward to the video of the flip. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:14 pm
by Fuzz
With the rigging you are doing, and the pondering, the flip might turn out to be a non-event. I flipped two glass hulls in my shop that were not as stiff as these hulls are with no problems. They were 32x13 and 36x12. I am like others and watching to see how you do it. And wishing you all the best.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:With the rigging you are doing, and the pondering, the flip might turn out to be a non-event. I flipped two glass hulls in my shop that were not as stiff as these hulls are with no problems. They were 32x13 and 36x12. I am like others and watching to see how you do it. And wishing you all the best.
Fuzz
How did you do it Fuzz? Not that I'm gonna change direction now. Just curious.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:44 am
by Fuzz
Knotty,
I have a 40x60 steel frame shop. The walls are 18foot and the peak is 20 foot. There are two truss beams spaced 20 foot apart in the middle of the shop. I built a wood cradel that went around the hulls under each truss. The cradle wrapped all the way around the hull and was bolted together, sort of like the one I built to roll my dory only much bigger and better. The hulls were light enough to pick up off the floor with chainfalls and tip on their side. I had some come-alongs to hold them in place and then change the chainfall lift point to pick them on up and roll them right side up. The weight was never a problem but with 13 foot of beam I did come real close to running out of head room. These were solid glass hulls built upside down using the C-flex method. Your rounded off truss joints will make it much easier, you will not need to pick the hull totaly off of the ground. That is something I did not think about until it too late.
I feel for you with the fairing. These were both work boats and a ten foot finish was plenty good enough. I would have never been able to fair one that large. And this was 20 years ago. Now "forget about it" :lol:
It looks to me like you are thinking it through and will have no problems.
As others have said "watching and waiting to see" Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Fuzz. I have shop envy! :wink: A proper work space would have helped me a lot. I know I could have used an extra 4 or 5 feet on either side of the boat.

This morning I finished Friggin' with my Riggin'! I bought a 1' section of 5/16" chain to hang the pulley block from. Worked perfectly. Replaced the hook with two 5/16" Quick Links and it now has freedom of movement needed.

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Also finished up the last beam on the turning frames.

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So that's it. Turning frame & rigging is DONE! Next step is the dissembly of the strongback & forms so I can lower the hull & turning frames to the floor.

More pics etc. on the web log. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/done ... iggin.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Forms coming out! Starting to see parts of the hull I haven't seen before! 8)

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
So I got friends out there on the Interwebs. Friends who know stuff I don't. Thank the Heavenly Boat Maker! :wink:

Last iteration (I hope).

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What I failed to recognize is that the cable end hook and the pulley block will rotate upwards and outwards away from the pole as the hull rotates. The cable hook will go almost (if not over) 90 degs outwards and the pulley block will move outwards about 45 degs.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:33 pm
by Fuzz
[quote="Knottybuoyz"]Thanks Fuzz. I have shop envy! :wink: A proper work space would have helped me a lot. I know I could have used an extra 4 or 5 feet on either side of the boat.

When you live with snow on the ground for half of the year you need a warm place to work. I keep thinking it would be nice to work out in the sunshine but that is not likely to happen around here.

Are you planning on picking the hull up off the ground or just rolling it over without picking it off the ground? Lower it is the less that can go wrong. Mean old Mister Gravity can be a hard teacher.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:When you live with snow on the ground for half of the year you need a warm place to work. I keep thinking it would be nice to work out in the sunshine but that is not likely to happen around here.

Are you planning on picking the hull up off the ground or just rolling it over without picking it off the ground? Lower it is the less that can go wrong. Mean old Mister Gravity can be a hard teacher.
At best we get 6 mo a year where it's warm 'nuff to work on the boat. There's no way I could heat the bow shed. The turning frames will stay in contact with the ground. I'm actually going to build two tracks for them to slide in. I've got a 2 ton ratcheting cable puller that'll be able to control the frame should it decide to skoot out from underneath. That or a couple of tag lines with bodies attached to the ends of them. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:25 pm
by Fuzz
Yep Canada and Alaska are pretty much the same when it comes to weather. Working outside just does not happen for much of the year. I understand the cost of heating. I heat with diesel. Back when it was one dollar a gallon it was no problem. Now at $4 it takes way too big of a bite out of the boat budget.
Take lots of pictures of the flip. This part will be great to watch. Might even have somebody whose sole job is taking pictures.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Take lots of pictures of the flip. This part will be great to watch. Might even have somebody whose sole job is taking pictures.
I imagine there'll be some 'lookee loo's' around to take pics. I'm going to stick my GoPro up in a corner of the shed and get video. I think it'll record up to 4 hrs video if the battery holds out that long. The Admiral instructed my neighbor Robert to standby with the phone ready to call 911. :roll:

All the forms are now out but one. The one left will stay there attached to the turning frame. I added some braces to the other frame. Don't know if it'll need it but it's there now.

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Here's the aft frame looking towards the transom.

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This afternoon I'll start dismantling the rest of the strongback frame. I think I've taken about 10 lbs of screws out of this thing so far! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:46 pm
by antoniekruger
HI Knotty, brilliant - a flip is upon us. Good luck with your flip and post some pics soon...Exciting stuff. :D :D 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Anybody want a slightly abused set of forms for a TW28? :lol:

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/08/dism ... forms.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
antoniekruger wrote:HI Knotty, brilliant - a flip is upon us. Good luck with your flip and post some pics soon...Exciting stuff. :D :D 8)
Thanks antoniekruger. The list of stuff to do is getting shorter! :wink:

1. Remove forward portion of strongback frame
2. Construct tracks for rolling frames
3. Lower the frames onto the tracks
4. Roll this whale over!

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spent most of the day ripping out the remainder of the strongback frame. There was carnage everywhere! :wink:

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I was just cuttin' and sawin' and hammerin' and unscrewin' and tossin' the stuff out from under the boat!

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The hull is now resting comfortably in her rolling frames on the ground!

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Web log updated with more details and a video walk around of the boat I did this morning. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/carn ... -shed.html

Cheers!!! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:29 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick...Yeah !! Just around the corner now :D Sorry about the crack but great that it is all fixable. Where I am building just north straddling Gatineau Park, everything is changing colour so a big push before hibernation. :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick...Yeah !! Just around the corner now :D Sorry about the crack but great that it is all fixable. Where I am building just north straddling Gatineau Park, everything is changing colour so a big push before hibernation. :lol:
Hey Marc

Yes signs of the impending freeze up are in the air. :cry:

That's it. It's rigged to roll over. Trying to put together a crew for Saturday. Other than some housekeeping there's not much else I can do now. It's going over come hell or high water! :wink:

Ground anchors are in & straps attached. I couldn't get the one on the right down any further, hit rock.

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Couldn't resist the urge and lifted the hull with the winch. It worked perfectly. No moans or groans or cracking. The Gin Pole was rock solid and never flexed at all.

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Suspended on the winch. I left it there for 5 mins with no problem.

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Web log updated; http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/its- ... -over.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:02 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

I had considered driving over to help but my build has priority :lol: I hope you understand. Good luck during the flip. If it is any consolation, I fretted about this since day 1 but when time came it was actually a non event. I had stiffened and braced the hull to high heavens but it was not required after all. Mind you, the HMD19 is that much smaller. My other concern was building an efficient and sturdy craddle. Next headache is covering the right-side-up hull during the winter. The shelter material is coming off and I do not want 3 feet of snow, sleet and ice in there.

Good luck...I am certain there must be 20 Bateau builders keeping an eye on your posts.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:16 am
by Cracker Larry
.I am certain there must be 20 Bateau builders keeping an eye on your posts.
I'm certain there is a lot more than that :!: Probably a thousand. This site has over 10,000 registered members, plus a lot of people follow who aren't registered or never make a post.

Cheering for you Rick. Think it all through. Slow and easy 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:22 am
by blueflood
Yep, edit that CL :lol: Now Rick is under pressure to...hmmm....uhhhh perform :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick,

I had considered driving over to help but my build has priority :lol: I hope you understand. Good luck during the flip. If it is any consolation, I fretted about this since day 1 but when time came it was actually a non event. I had stiffened and braced the hull to high heavens but it was not required after all. Mind you, the HMD19 is that much smaller. My other concern was building an efficient and sturdy craddle. Next headache is covering the right-side-up hull during the winter. The shelter material is coming off and I do not want 3 feet of snow, sleet and ice in there.

Good luck...I am certain there must be 20 Bateau builders keeping an eye on your posts.
Thanks Marc. I think I'll have 'nuff bodies to cushion the blow should the boat fall from the hoist! :lol: Precious building time is getting short so get your tent fixed and get as much done as you can. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:35 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
.I am certain there must be 20 Bateau builders keeping an eye on your posts.
I'm certain there is a lot more than that :!: Probably a thousand. This site has over 10,000 registered members, plus a lot of people follow who aren't registered or never make a post.

Cheering for you Rick. Think it all through. Slow and easy 8)
Hey Larry.

I think I've done my homework and thought this through. Can't think any more. Just gotta Do It!

This whole thing is kinda like going to a Nascar event, you really are only there for the wrecks! :roll: If you never hear from me again you'll know I messed up! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Yep, edit that CL :lol: Now Rick is under pressure to...hmmm....uhhhh perform :lol:
So do ya think a double dose of Viagra will help get it up? :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:30 am
by Noles309
Just do it already man.....Signed, One of the thousand watching 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:12 pm
by colinhart
The only dodgy thing I found when I turned it was the sides tried to move out at the centre but a length of 4 x 2 tied in both ends on the top of the chine did the trick best of luck. We moan about our weather but you really do have a short summer if it stays around 15 to 18 I should get another 7 weeks building in hoping for an Indian summer cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:39 am
by TheBroomside
This must be the best prepared flip in the history of Bateau (of the largest hull ever :D ). Go for it, all will go well.
Do you know how the boat will be moved for the launch when she is finished? We didn't. Building a new craddle under the finished Luka and moving it 30 m took quite some effort. We should have anticipated better when flipping the hull.
Good luck, looking forward to the pictures.
Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:The only dodgy thing I found when I turned it was the sides tried to move out at the centre but a length of 4 x 2 tied in both ends on the top of the chine did the trick best of luck. We moan about our weather but you really do have a short summer if it stays around 15 to 18 I should get another 7 weeks building in hoping for an Indian summer cheers Colin
Thanks Colin

I'll keep an eye out for the sides bulging. It's pretty well clamped in there now so if it doesn't I don't expect it'll move too much.

Think I worked up till about the end of Sept. last year. It gets too cold to do any epoxy work after that. I've got some work to do on the shed to get it buttoned up for the winter before then.

Cheers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:This must be the best prepared flip in the history of Bateau (of the largest hull ever :D ). Go for it, all will go well.
Do you know how the boat will be moved for the launch when she is finished? We didn't. Building a new craddle under the finished Luka and moving it 30 m took quite some effort. We should have anticipated better when flipping the hull.
Good luck, looking forward to the pictures.
Hi Peter

It's funny, boat looks a lot smaller now that it's down on the ground! :lol:

I've had the local 'Toy Hauler' in to see the boat and where it's located. He has a hydraulic lift trailer that'll come in right under the boat and lift it up. He moves a ton of boats every year and doesn't expect there to be any problems. We should have lots of pics & video of the flip.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:32 am
by BarraMan
It's funny, boat looks a lot smaller now that it's down on the ground! :lol:
Wait till you flip it - its gonna look frigging HUGE ! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:13 am
by Juniorwoody
I have been watching this built from day one. Very well documented and educational. Thank you. I love these trawler builds and don't have the nuts to tackle such a large project not to mention the little lady would put her big foot down on any thoughts of it. The observation that there are many eyes and ears on this flip and build is spot on. Big men do big things in life!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
Juniorwoody wrote:I have been watching this built from day one. Very well documented and educational. Thank you. I love these trawler builds and don't have the nuts to tackle such a large project not to mention the little lady would put her big foot down on any thoughts of it. The observation that there are many eyes and ears on this flip and build is spot on. Big men do big things in life!!
Thanks Junior.

I had to get the wife drunk as a skunk to get her to agree to this! :lol: Just kidding. She was with me the whole way. If I can do it anyone can do it. Time & patience is all that's needed. Well there's money, tools and skills to use those tools too. I wouldn't discourage anyone from doing this. There have been ups and downs along the way but that's to be expected.

This morning was just some housekeeping tasks. Tomorrow I likely won't get anything done, taking the kid to the airport for his next big adventure in Alberta!

Through the wormhole!
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Battery for winch getting charged!
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Screwed these 2X6's to the bench. If the frame wants to come down on it they'll redirect it to the floor.
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Last look. I'll remove the shed doors before the flip so we'll get a better view as it goes over.
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I'm scared shitless! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:20 pm
by BarraMan
I'm scared shitless! 8O
Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D Do it! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:54 pm
by SP
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Juniorwoody wrote: I'm scared shitless! 8O
Keeps you on your toes.

You got this!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
Keeps you on your toes.
And lets you know you're living. I've always enjoyed being scared. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:43 pm
by Rogerdog
So two American phrases come to mind -- "Hey, yall watch this" and "Hold my beer for a sec". :D

Roll it over!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:52 am
by antoniekruger
Hi Knotty, I know the s...less feeling well - Like the Captain said - It makes you feel alive. Yeah, she's big and you are well prepared. We are all with you and I'm sure we would all like to come and help. Do it :D Good luck.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We've got some bad weather headed this way for tomorrow morning so I'm going to postpone the flip. I would need people outside the shed to handle tag lines etc. and I can't really ask them to do it standing in the rain. Will try again for next weekend. Sorry.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:We've got some bad weather headed this way for tomorrow morning so I'm going to postpone the flip. I would need people outside the shed to handle tag lines etc. and I can't really ask them to do it standing in the rain. Will try again for next weekend. Sorry.
Rick You don't have a email address in your profile, if this is on purpose would you be so kind to drop me an email on the following address so I can reply on it?

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:46 pm
by sds
Knottybuoyz wrote:We've got some bad weather headed this way for tomorrow morning so I'm going to postpone the flip. I would need people outside the shed to handle tag lines etc. and I can't really ask them to do it standing in the rain. Will try again for next weekend. Sorry.
No need to apologize KB. Take your time.

It's your boat and you aren't here to perform for any of us chuckleheads. :lol:

Re the flip. I was watching your animation when you posted it and it struck me that after you reach the tipping point and begin to play out cable, at some point there is going to be alot of force trying to drive the bottom skid point towards/into the crane. If the bottom skid is too slick, things could get out of hand quick.

I'm sure you recognize this. If it was me, 1) I wouldn't make that skid too slickery, and 2) I'd probably put a strap across the bottom onto a winch at the side opposite the crane, which could be played out to control that force. I wouldn't depend on someone holding the end of a rope to handle this.

Cheers and good luck as you proceed.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:22 pm
by jorgepease
ditto on that, a manual brake winch like I used to lower my boat would do the trick perfectly

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey sds, thanks for looking in.

It was a good call. We got hammered last night and it rained constantly till noon today. There was 2" of water on the shed floor this morning. It wouldn't have been much fun trying to flip it over in the mud.

I had considered that point you made. I have two tag lines, one on each frame, leading outside the shed. They're secured around 2X4 cleats so they can be controlled as they pay out. Originally I bought two ratchet cable thingies only to realize later that they won't ratchet out! :doh: My back up plan was to have two 2X6's with wedges cut on one end to jamb under the frames if they try to scoot out from under the boat.

If the weather cooperates we'll do it next weekend.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:Rick You don't have a email address in your profile, if this is on purpose would you be so kind to drop me an email on the following address so I can reply on it?

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E-mail sent Peter.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got a crew together for Saturday morning. Weather is a little iffy with some light rain. I'm going for it anyways.

Here's basically how it'll happen.

The Journal of the Molly B. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/jour ... lly-b.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hull flipping day! A little more than 2 hrs and it'll be going over. Guts are in a knot. Shouldn't have had nacho's with jalapenos last night. :roll:

GoPro's charged up & ready to go. Sipping my last coffee & waiting for the team to arrive. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:39 am
by BarraMan
Do it! Do it! Do it! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:53 am
by Cracker Larry
Holding my breath here :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:33 am
by antoniekruger
Youre prepped - have fun and take a lot of pics - remember, no pics and you'll have to roll her back and over again :D :D :D :D
It's a good feeling when its done - go boy. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:13 am
by wegcagle
Go, go, go!!! Rooting for you :D

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:43 am
by hooter
My wife asked me, why do you keep checking that site?

I didnt even try and explain.

Glued to the forum waiting for it. Best of luck.

hOOter

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
It's done! Went pretty much as planned. A few minor hiccups but the boat is unharmed and everyone is safe. Had plenty of help. More details later on the blog update.

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I need RUM!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:07 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'll have one for you too 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:44 pm
by hooter
Congrats

It's a thing of beauty

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx Fella's. Here's a lil' better pic corrected for Fisheye.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:23 pm
by antoniekruger
Well done, mate - heeha, I'll have another beverage on your flip. She is big. Did she seem bigger after the flip? :D 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:39 pm
by bigtalljv
Excellent work. All that preparation and worry paid off.

Jason

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:21 pm
by Fuzz
Let me add to all the other, Great Job :D I am sure you will sleep better now!

Now that it is flipped I would build something to set lots of supplies on up next to the boat. It gets really old having to climb out of the boat each time you need something. When I was building a large boat I ended up hiring a young guy to help me. He was not much good at anything but once I figured out that if all he did was hand me stuff when I needed it he was well worth his money. And that was over 20 years ago when I was in much better shape. :lol:
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Here's the edited video. Probably took us an hour and a half to flip it. I edited out most of the ponderin' time and jockeying it sideways. The excitement (boom crash) doesn't happen till just after the 6 minute mark. :oops: The only casualties were one 2X3 and a pair of undershorts! :?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foytm4q ... e=youtu.be

Few more pics & details on the blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/hull ... s-pie.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:29 pm
by Cracker Larry
Well done and very cool. The tipping point is always the hardest to manage and I've never flipped one without an "oh shat :!: " moment. That went well. Now I can breathe again :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:01 pm
by ks8
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:45 pm
by terrulian
OMG. You have big cojones, sir.
I believe this is the way Stonehenge was built.
Also, great job on the video.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:56 pm
by BarraMan
Fuzz wrote:Let me add to all the other, Great Job :D I am sure you will sleep better now!

Now that it is flipped I would build something to set lots of supplies on up next to the boat. It gets really old having to climb out of the boat each time you need something. When I was building a large boat I ended up hiring a young guy to help me. He was not much good at anything but once I figured out that if all he did was hand me stuff when I needed it he was well worth his money. And that was over 20 years ago when I was in much better shape. :lol:
Fuzz
With a hull that big you can relocate the whole workshop to whichever end of the hull you are not working! Hell, you could live in there full time as well! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:37 am
by Corto Maltese
terrulian wrote:I believe this is the way Stonehenge was built.
:lol:
Congratulations, Rick&Co.!
My hull-turn is going to happen in few weeks. I hope it won't be so exciting :)
Well done,
Cheerz Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fellas. It was an adventure for sure. One I never hope I have to repeat! Just really glad it's over.

Good luck with your flip Dario. Slow & steady. Keeping everything under control is the most important part of the whole process.

If I were to do it again I'd have more tag lines on the frame to keep it from over rotating and under control. I'd pull each rolling frame separately instead of trying to pull them together from the middle. Even though the electric winch worked and worked well I'd probably use a chain hoist for better control.

With limited space the Gin Pole worked really well. It hardly flexed at all under the strain. Think I spent somewhere around $400 in materials for the gin pole & rigging which wasn't bad. Most of the stuff I bought will be repurposed to build a set of steps into the boat etc.

This week I've got some major repairs to do to the shed roof to get it ready for winter. I'm hoping I'll only need the shed for two more winters, boat gods willing. I hate that thing with a passion! :lol:

Thanks for looking in. Now get back to work on your own boats! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:49 am
by Noles309
Nice work....Serious pucker factor there 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:45 am
by Cracker Larry
I bet you slept better last night :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:26 am
by antoniekruger
Knottybuoyz wrote:Thanks for looking in. Now get back to work on your own boats! :wink:
Thanks for sharing your experience - OK, we'll p..ssssoff now and get on with our own. Great job..again :D 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:42 am
by pee wee
That was a major accomplishment! Maybe you can rig up your electric winch to create a makeshift elevator! That's going to be a lot of trips up and down the ladder, but it will get done- one step at a time. Congratulations, this was a big one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:43 pm
by Cracker Larry
Maybe you can rig up your electric winch to create a makeshift elevator!
That is a really great idea :idea:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:56 pm
by justin_dwyer
That is one big beast Rick! Nice job. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:36 am
by Walkers Run
I just checked in. Nice job! That really makes me happy.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:49 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Way to go :D...glad everything worked out great. Planning is the biggest piece and you did that to a "T". Ditto the comments about setting up shop inside the hull. The up and down, in and out thing for tools and supplies got old really fast. (I cannot recall how many times I slipped, tripped and almost busted my chops zig-zaging with slippery epoxy coated runners when doing acrobatics) That is what I am doing next spring now that the decks are in :P

The fun begins Rick, well at least a few months to plan the internals until the heat comes again !

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all the replies fella's. It was an adventure as you've seen. She's big. 31'-5" from the tip of the bow to the top of the transom. Looks like our weather has turned into fall pretty quick. Daytime highs are in the 50's now. I don't think I'll be getting much more done.

Everything gets repurposed. The gin pole will get a boom added to it for lifting stuff into the boat. Had that planned from the start. The strongback frame etc. will get turned into a set of steps up to and into the boat. Hopefully I'm done with step ladders for awhile! :wink:

It all seems sort of anti-climatic now. The prep was a lot of work but was worth it. The rolling frames over build and they needed to be. My friend Greg was a real asset. My guardian angel out there who pointed me in the right direction with the rigging a boat flipping god send. :lol:

I've sort of taken a couple days away from the boat shed to decompress. Slept like a rock the past two days with no more worries about flipping the boat but still thinking ahead to all the work that's gotta happen to keep moving forward. Tomorrow I'll start building some proper boat stands & block the keel to get most of the weight off the frames. I won't bother to level & square it up again till the spring. This coming weekend we have to put a new roof on the shed. Greenhouse plastic this time. Then we'll tuck it all away till spring.

Thanks again for looking in. The video of the flip has almost 300 views now! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:50 am
by colinhart
Well done rick doesnt she look big inside. Visited Southampton boat show yesterday man you could spend some serious cash there. See you next year hope you dont get too much snow cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:47 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Well done rick doesnt she look big inside. Visited Southampton boat show yesterday man you could spend some serious cash there. See you next year hope you dont get too much snow cheers Colin
Hey Colin, thanks. She's big. Haven't been inside her yet. Just getting the blocking under the keel and hull this morning. Supposedly we're in for a bad winter. I'll miss part of it though, going to Mexico for 3 weeks in Jan/Feb. :wink:

Managed to get my GoPro up on a stick to get a birds eye view!

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The funny colored stuff on the port side forward is just left over epoxy glue I had that I used to fill the kerfs in the panel. You'll notice the other side doesn't have kerfs. The panels were cut wrong and the kerfs were on the outside. This caused a few problems but it seems to have worked out ok.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:08 am
by jacquesmm
Now that she sits on her keel, I see the rolling cage much better. It looks good, you did it the right way.
Now you need a good scaffold to get in and out.
You'll get some serious exercise going in and out of the boat. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:Now that she sits on her keel, I see the rolling cage much better. It looks good, you did it the right way.
Now you need a good scaffold to get in and out.
You'll get some serious exercise going in and out of the boat. :)
Oh believe me I need the exercise! :wink: I'm just building a small ladder to drop down into the boat. Ladders from the outside will have to suffice for now. I don't have a lot of room around the outside of the boat. I'll leave the rolling frames pretty much in tact and can build myself a small work bench on those. That should shave some climbing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:18 pm
by Joe H
I'll leave the rolling frames pretty much in tact and can build myself a small work bench on those.
I think I'd put a work bench right inside of that muther!

Nice flip Rick!

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Built myself a set of steps to get into and out of the boat. Pulled out the support forms etc. It looks even BIGGER now! Was just admiring my handiwork when I had another one of those WTF have I gotten myself into moments! :lol:

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Web log updated; http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/anot ... s-wtf.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:10 pm
by jacquesmm
That is one of the best moments in the building, when you walk for the first time in the hull. It is becoming a real boat!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:53 pm
by Corto Maltese
OMG! Lot of space. And there is a Hobbit with Dead Kennedies punk band T-shirt. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:That is one of the best moments in the building, when you walk for the first time in the hull. It is becoming a real boat!
It was a weird feeling for sure. What was once upside down is now upside right! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:OMG! Lot of space. And there is a Hobbit with Dead Kennedies punk band T-shirt. :lol:
Who you callin' a Hobbit? :lol: The kid got me the t-shirt. I don't think I've ever heard their music. Figured it'd be a good shirt to get messed up in the boat shed. I'm half surprised you recognized the shirt Corto. Got one yourself do ya? :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:11 pm
by selever
Wow! By far my favorite photo in the build thus far. The only thing that might top it -- we you launch her!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Moved inside the boat today to start dressing the seams etc. for fillets & tape.

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Took a lil' break before lunch and laid back in the bow. So quiet and peaceful and relaxing I fell asleep! :lol:

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/let- ... begin.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:40 pm
by Hope2float
After seeing you in that hull it really bring into perspective what the 28 means in the title. That boat is huge you might need some help. I might have to drive up there and give you hand. :) Keep up the great work and I have been following right along with you.
BUILD-ON!
Dave

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hope2float wrote:After seeing you in that hull it really bring into perspective what the 28 means in the title. That boat is huge you might need some help. I might have to drive up there and give you hand. :) Keep up the great work and I have been following right along with you.
Thanks for looking in Dave.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Winding down now but will be back at it full force in the spring.

Am still sanding in and around the bow area. The old epoxy glue is hard as diamonds! In the first five minutes I managed to destroy one brand new sanding belt and two disks, all 40 grit! The old epoxy just rips it to shreds! 8O

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/bad- ... paper.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:56 am
by colinhart
I ended up buying them in boxes of 100 I used so many have fun colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:42 am
by bigtalljv
have you or anybody ever tried any of the exotic sanding products? something like this, http://duragrit.com/us/tools/discs/index.html

expensive unless compared to building a 28' boat :) but if they last as long as they say it might be worth it.

I actually had one of their hand sanding blocks and found it to work very well. It was a 60 grit I think and the carbide pieces were fairly pronounced so it left some deep scratches but it removed material like nobody's business and it lasted just about my whole boat build. The metal plate that was the sanding surface ended up deforming from abuse and coming unglued from the block, the carbide bits still work just fine.

jason

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:51 pm
by pee wee
Those metal discs look like they'd work well. There are a lot of options in the abrasives field that most people never see, like alternate backings. Paper is cheap and works well, but it doesn't last very long- good for the people making and selling it. I've used cloth back sandpaper (like a sanding belt but in a sheet) that lasted much longer than paper, and plastic backed (they called it film backed) that lasted much longer than cloth.

You also get into a variety of abrasive materials, like aluminum oxide or silicon carbide, etc., and coatings that help prevent clogging. The big sandpaper companies have experts that can advise people on which product will work best for their application. I'd think that you might find one of those guys willing to answer your questions and maybe save you money.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
All the peel & stick disks/papers I have are DuraGold. That's a decent brand widely used in the auto refinishing business. When I was rough fairing the hull sides & bottom I'd get a good hour out of a disk before it looked like those! The belts are local Canadian Tire brand (read cheapo's). I half suspect I might have hit a screw I didn't know was in there somewhere to shred it like that.

Luckily I won't have much of that kind of sanding to do so I'll tough it out. I have used other discs (Norton) they were good but pricey. Think I paid about $75 for 100 discs.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:35 pm
by BarraMan
The old epoxy glue is hard as diamonds! In the first five minutes I managed to destroy one brand new sanding belt and two disks, all 40 grit! The old epoxy just rips it to shreds! 8O
I use an 80 grit flapper wheel on an angle grinder to remove epoxy.

Eats it! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:53 am
by topwater
Check out supergrit.com i buy all my sand paper from them . Lots of choices all kinds of sanding materials to
choose from and good prices. I got this website from Evan when he was rebuilding his catamaran.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I know you guys have been waiting anxiously for it! Here it is! My latest sanding video! :lol:

Making Dust. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/makin-dust.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sanding inside the hull is done. Vacuumed out. Tomorrow I'll build myself a work bench for 'Inside' the boat and start filling the kerfs etc. Let's hope the weather cooperates awhile longer. Was about 40 F this morning when I went out to the shed in my short sleeve shirt & shorts.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:28 am
by justin_dwyer
Enjoyed your video Rick, makes me glad my hull is half the size.

Hats off to you giving the TW28 a crack, that is one big boat and a big commitment.

Looking great!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:10 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Well a bit of respite it seems with tropical temps for the next few days. Keep at it while you can :D Mine is wrapped up but I will be cutting the pilothouse panels while I can without getting frostbitten :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
justin_dwyer wrote:Enjoyed your video Rick, makes me glad my hull is half the size.

Hats off to you giving the TW28 a crack, that is one big boat and a big commitment.

Looking great!
Thanks Justin

Your P19 isn't exactly a little boat either! :D They're all big investments in time & effort and not to mention money. Well worth the venture though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Well a bit of respite it seems with tropical temps for the next few days. Keep at it while you can :D Mine is wrapped up but I will be cutting the pilothouse panels while I can without getting frostbitten :lol:
Hey Marc

Beautiful weather these past few days. I'm going to try to keep it going as long as I can. I might put a tent over the hull and see if I can heat it enough to keep working into November or till the snow flies. It might work.

Don't think you have to worry about frostbite for awhile yet. We're tough. We don't eve put on the long sleeves till it hits -20C! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Kerfs filled. Started fillets along the side/bottom joint. Almost out of materials so have to wait for more to arrive.

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Learned a lesson. Don't step in wet epoxy then walk in the house and across the kitchen floor! :oops:

Did a walk around tour on video. You'll find that on the blog update; http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/do-n ... epoxy.html

My buddy Andrew's coming by tomorrow morning so we should get the shed roof fixed finally.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Right out of supplies now. I managed to get about 25' of fillet done with the dregs of the wood flour bucket this morning. :lol:

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Got a few days to wait for funds to hit my credit card before I can order more tape. Wood flour & cabosil are on their way so I'll still have time to get some more fillets done. Holy Crap there's a lot of them that need to be done!!!

How much effort is involved? Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/how- ... olved.html

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
How much effort is involved?
A whole lot :!: It would take 100 gallons of rum to build that boat. Maybe more 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
How much effort is involved?
A whole lot :!: It would take 100 gallons of rum to build that boat. Maybe more 8O
Lemme check my math. 100 gallons of rum would be about the same as the number of gallons of epoxy it'll take. Rum is cheaper (a whole lot cheaper) than epoxy! Hmmmm? Kinda makes ya wonder eh? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:04 pm
by Cracker Larry
Lemme check my math. 100 gallons of rum would be about the same as the number of gallons of epoxy it'll take
That's right, unless you go on a binge :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
Lemme check my math. 100 gallons of rum would be about the same as the number of gallons of epoxy it'll take
That's right, unless you go on a binge :lol:
Epoxy binges are expensive. The last one was 30 gallons. I'm sure Joel went home early that day! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:15 pm
by selever
Epoxy binges are expensive. The last one was 30 gallons. I'm sure Joel went home early that day! :lol:
You both crack me up!

Keep up the good work -- it is a lot of fun following the progress. I only wish you would work faster... if you could splash her by tomorrow morning I think I might have enough posts to read! ;)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Still puttering away at the fillets etc. Got some wood flour from a different supplier this time. Not quite what I expected but workable.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/10/all- ... equal.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:54 am
by BarraMan
Looks like wheat flour, not wood flour! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
BarraMan wrote:Looks like wheat flour, not wood flour! :lol:
Looks like that yucky porridge your Gramma used to stuff down your throat when you were a kid! :lol:

That's it. I'm done for the season. I'll be back in the spring when I get proper materials to work with. It was a good year.

The biggest milestone this year was the flipping of the hull. Given our short building season up here I've got about a year and a half's work into the boat so far. It's been a struggle at times and I relied on you guys for knowledge and moral support. I don't think I would have ever attempted this project without you guys so I'm eternally grateful.

Anyhow, best of luck with all your projects. I'll be watching.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/10/thats-wrap-2014.html

Yours Aye!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:15 pm
by terrulian
We'll be looking forward to having more updates.
Thanks for the drama. There's only so many pictures of sanding I can supply.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:49 pm
by blueflood
Later, Rick :D Good progress - the flip makes all the difference. Just prepare yourself with as much of what you need inside. Up and down on a regular basis is losing time and energy. You will appreciate that ladder or better yet, rig yourself scaffolding. Glad to have flat decks now for the chop saw and table saw. Harmony is wrapped up with as many tarps as they are glass layers in a corner :D Still going to the cottage tho and still walk around her but I managed to cut the cabin and cabin tops 8)

Enjoy the south Rick and have a Sleemen's Cream Ale on me. I on the other hand will be at DND planning ahead for next spring :lol:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:36 am
by colinhart
Have a good winter weather turning here as well just started raining all the time. Hope to get some more done if I can look forward to hearing from you in the spring cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:53 am
by antoniekruger
Knottybuoyz wrote:Still puttering away at the fillets etc. Got some wood flour from a different supplier this time. Not quite what I expected but workable.

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Hi Knotty, that looks like cotton flocks. That is the "wood flour" I use for all my fillets.

At least youre going again.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
antoniekruger wrote:Hi Knotty, that looks like cotton flocks. That is the "wood flour" I use for all my fillets.

At least youre going again.
Hi Antoniekruger. I'm pretty much done for the season. Just collecting materials for a fresh start in the spring. My buddy Peter wants to come for a day of sanding which we might do. The weather's been unseasonably nice for the lat two weeks which has been a waste but who knew.

Got my tape order in.
L to R. 17 oz 8" 125 yrds, 6 oz 6", 9 oz 6" & 2X 9 oz 6" fresh from Bateau.com! 8)

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Gotta save some pesos this winter for a big epoxy & wood flour order.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:18 pm
by colinhart
Sorry to hear whats going on in ottawa there some evil nutters in this world all the best Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:43 pm
by blueflood
Good that you are home Rick. All DND and federal buildings are locked down, schools as well and bridges closed. Told to stay off Outlook, web and Blackberries. Could get messier when civil servants are just itching for a supper time beer and they cannot leave work.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:32 pm
by Cracker Larry
WOW 8O :help:

That's why I'm stocked up on beans and bullets. Coming soon to a country near you.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:24 pm
by blueflood
No country is immune apparently Larry. Too early to point fingers but still, not much fun when it happens in your back yard. What a mess this world has turned out to be.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:33 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've just been catching up on all of that, Marc. Yep, this world is a mess, it's been a mess for a long time and getting worse every day. It used to be "over there", but because of recent politics it is coming here. That's a bilge subject though and doesn't belong here. Yall be careful up there and keep your powder dry. Hopefully it's just a few crazies they will round up quick and not a concerted effort.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's.

I was downtown about a block from the National War Memorial yesterday at about the same time of day.

Yup, subject for the bilge.

http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59504

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
My buddy Peter was in need of some 'Sandtherapy' yesterday so he showed up, sander & sandpaper in hand to work on my boat. He's had a bit of a rough time this summer & fall so he considers any chance to hang out in the boat shed 'Therapy'. Who am I to stand in his way of pursuing 'good mental health' eh? :lol:

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He jumped right in and started at it. The temp outside was a balmy -5C and inside the shed the same. Ideal conditions for sanding as Peter says. Me, I like it a lil' bit warmer but after some consternation I suited up and we went at it for an hour or so before a 'breakfast' break of MRD's. (Meals Ready to Drink).

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Working on a video, "Bull Sh*t from the Boat Shed" to be online sometime today.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/11/chil ... anity.html

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:16 am
by jacquesmm
Is it not too cold there? Sanding only I suppose.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:56 am
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:Image
COOL! 8) made me think of this pic on a slightly smaller scale :D
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:Is it not too cold there? Sanding only I suppose.
Yeah just some sanding. Peter needed some quality time with his Porter Cable. He considers it therapy! :lol:

It actually wasn't too bad at -5 C if you kept moving.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:COOL! 8) made me think of this pic on a slightly smaller scale :D
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Good one Peter. Wish I had a crew that size. I'd be done in no time! :P

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:30 pm
by MarkOrge
Which guy in the picture is Noah ?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:45 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Hey did winter come and go already ? :lol: You may be able to squeeze a few more working days on her :D I have to drive to the cottage and see if any trees have been uprooted with all the hurricane winds lately. Hope your shelter stayed intact.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hey did winter come and go already ? :lol: You may be able to squeeze a few more working days on her :D I have to drive to the cottage and see if any trees have been uprooted with all the hurricane winds lately. Hope your shelter stayed intact.
Hey Marc

I don't think Mother Nature is done with us yet. We survived the windstorm last night. Wasn't as bad here as some places. Worse up your way I think.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:50 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Still hanging out around town ? Thought you'd be in the sunny south downing a few well deserved cold ones by the beach :lol:
No damage on the shelter after those heavy winds and no uprooted trees. Phew.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick,

Still hanging out around town ? Thought you'd be in the sunny south downing a few well deserved cold ones by the beach :lol:
No damage on the shelter after those heavy winds and no uprooted trees. Phew.

Marc
Hey Mark

Not heading south till Jan 26th. Long wait.

I got the call last week, looks like the Coasties still need my help and I'll be headed back to work next week. Just in time too, the boat building fund needs to be topped up and I'm going nuts babysitting 5 cats and watching YouTube all day! :roll:

Glad your shed survived. Mine did too. I had a 20,000 ratchet strap across the top and it broke in the storm so something was trying to yank the shed out of the ground. New strap back in pace so we're good for the winter (I hope).

Stay warm this winter.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:29 am
by colinhart
great to hear from you Rick have you been working or on holiday haven't heard from you in ages. Got any more progress on your boat?
Been lucky here weather not to bad. Cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:great to hear from you Rick have you been working or on holiday haven't heard from you in ages. Got any more progress on your boat?
Been lucky here weather not to bad. Cheers Colin
Hi Colin

We're still in Mexico for another 5 days. Only boat work has been daydreaming about it! :lol:

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When we shut down for the winter we were just getting to filleting the joints in the box keel. I went back to work on contract to make more $$$ for the project. The Cdn dollar has taken a big hit vs the US Greenback so I have to work longer to buy the same supplies! *sigh*

Other than that life is good. Keep the pics coming.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Had a dump of snow the other day that left about a foot & half of white crap on my boat shed. It all came off today in a 'Snowvalanche'. :lol:

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I kinda figure all you fella's down south who are just starting to warm up will get a kick out of what us Crazy Cannucks go though for 6 months of the year! :cry:

I had to chop my way into the shed last year and it looks like it'll be the same this year too! If I remember correctly I started actually working on the boat on May 21st. last year. Don't know if I'll beat that or not this year. We've got a bit more snow to deal with.

Stay warm & hydrated my friends.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:36 pm
by jacquesmm
That's a good shelter to take all that snow.
It's about 80F, we have the AC on. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:28 pm
by Cracker Larry
80 degrees here today too. The warmest day we've had since last fall. Didn't turn on the A/C, just enjoying the warm. It won't last long, high on Friday is only supposed to be 40. No ice though, and that's a good thing :D I don't know how yall live like that :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:18 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Any news from the front ? Hang tight, should not be too long now 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:22 am
by Joe H
As we get slammed with 3 " of snow this morning!

It's because I pulled my P19 out from it's winter cover the other day!

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:06 am
by Cracker Larry
My spring friends showed back up this week :D

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:My spring friends showed back up this week :D
Spring? What's that? :cry:

Last day of slavery for the gubment. Back to boat building full time tomorrow! Epoxy & Woodflour ordered and on it's way! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:39 am
by blueflood
Yeahhh!! 8)

Getting ready myself...having the cottage driveway plowed for the car and setting up the inside for cutting some panels 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Epoxy, tape & woodflour arrived from Bateau.com today! :wink: That should be everything I need to get the inside glassed & the stringers in.

Won't be long now. Just need a weee bit of cooperation from Mother Nature to dry things up a bit. She's crapping white stuff on us at the moment though. :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:36 pm
by Corto Maltese
Planed to fill kerfs with epoxy mixture these days. But the same Mother keeps the temperature at 7 degrees C (44F). The white stuff only on the Alps I see through my kitchen window. The prognosis for the end of week are promising. I miss the smell of hardener :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:02 pm
by Cracker Larry
But dang, what a nice view :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rip Van Winkle is awake!

What a lousy start to the spring. Snow, rain, hail, sleet and more rain. The ground under the boat is soaked. It'll be awhile before it dries out enough to be able to walk on it.

I did manage to get into the shed this morning to fix an air leak in one of my air lines & make myself a new filleting tool.

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There's a few more pics & details our blog which I just updated:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/04/yawn ... p-yet.html

Thanks for looking in. Glad to be back at it.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:29 am
by terrulian
Glad to have you back.
I looked at your site. I wouldn't worry about cleaning up the bench. Looks perfectly well organized to me.
I'm all about fillets so will look forward to your experience with the ball. Too large for the fillets on my boat but I actually had the same idea to use in corners. I considered marbles but was not convinced I could successfully attach a handle so I never tried it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:34 am
by Cracker Larry
Raining like heck down South too Rick. Areas just below me got 10" yesterday, we didn't get that much but 6" more is forecast for today. Not sure if I can get any work done or not. At least it's warm!

I like that constant radius filleting tool 8) When I need one like that I usually use a light bulb. I think GK108 shared that idea with me, works great for those inside corners with several seams coming together.

I think you and I have the same drill press. Mine is almost as dirty as yours :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:43 am
by jacquesmm
That fillet tool is nice. Too large for small boats but good in your case. Fillets are easy to make with almost any tool until you get in the corner. That is where your ball comes in play, nice.
I have to find a ball about 1/2" in diameter for a our small boats. A round lollipop?

Be very careful with wax on the tool. It will interfere with the tape if you don't remove it all.
If you work wet on wet, you don't need the wax.
If you don't work wet on wet, you can always make a fillet smoother by brushing over it with resin: no sanding required.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:16 pm
by Cracker Larry
I have to find a ball about 1/2" in diameter for a our small boats
Light bulbs come in all sizes, with a handle already attached.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:23 pm
by jacquesmm
Yes, I didn't think of small automotive type bulbs.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I remember someone mentioning light bulbs before. I need something with a more substantial handle (Carpal Tunnel, both hands). I'd likely crush a bulb because I can hardly feel anything in both hands anymore.

Saw these on another forum. They're designed specifically for filleting. Think that's where I got the idea to wax the ball too. Not sure though.

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About 2/3 third's down the page. http://www.unitedindustrialsales.com/pr ... t-wax.aspx

The one I made has a 3' long handle. I'll use that for getting deep down in the box keel! :wink: I can always shorten it up as required.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:34 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Yeah cool !! Last fall I experimented with exactly the same thing. I built a test sample with 3 pieces of ply glued together for an inside corner. Got some different sized wood balls 1/2", 1" from Michaels, stuck a dowel, waxed it and gave it a try. For some reason the putty dragged and I could never get a clean 3-way fillet.

What are you guys doing different to make it work ?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:38 pm
by terrulian
I'm all ears on this one but it is pretty much too late. I'm with blueflood: I think Larry or KS or Jacques or someone should make a YouTube video to show how the big boys do it, especially in the corners. In a little while, Larry's going to have lots of time on his hands and he'll need something to do.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:06 pm
by dbcrx
Those kind of filleting tools are designed for applying filleting wax (or plastecine) into moulds or plugs for composites use. That kind of material is dryer and stiffer, so you use the tool to mould it into the corners. I've tried them with epoxy fillets and didn't get on too well with them. As mentioned above they kind of drag a bit and you can't really spread the epoxy with them - they would probably work if you got your timing right and applied the epoxy with a piping bag and left it until it started to stiffen then you could push it into the corner.
Personally, I normally stick to spreaders ground to the radius I want. With them you can scoop the epoxy out the pot and spread it. When it comes to 3 way corners I tend to put plenty of epoxy in then scrape off the excess from across 2 of the joints and carefully go back in and up the 3rd.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:00 pm
by Corto Maltese
Rick, I've made a trial fillet today on the vertical side of transom (75cm). Made glue mix from 250g epoxy and wood flour/silica mix. Filet is 4-5cm wide and less than 15mm thick into the corner. It still became quite hot. After half an hour I brushed over clear epoxy and laminated 15 cm wide 450g/m2 biax tape with roller. Followed with two more same tapes. As the corners have more than 90 degrees, there is no need for a tool to make fillet round. I used a 5 cm plastic spatula and another steel one for cleaning the edges of fillet (+ lot of patience). The fillets in keel, where the corners have 90 degrees, will be narrower and maybe needs some rounding.
The problem was, that the fillet is big and curing epoxy was steaming hot. The layer of tape immediately cooled the stuff.
So I decided not to make the seams fillet, which is over 8m long in one phase. I'm going to do it in two meters steps and immediately tape it.
Yes, the test fillet is not CLarry perfect, but they all will be hidden under the deck. Only rats will have access to the aesthetic judgment. After 40m of these bellow-the-deck fillets, let's hope we'll be pros :)
I wish you some fair weather, which we have here these days!
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Dario

Nice to hear from you again. Yes, when we're finished we'll be pro's. Let's both hope we don't decide to build another boat! :lol:

I'm going to switch from fillet, sand, tape long sections to the 2 meter style you mentioned. Working alone it's really hard to get a decent result with letting the fillets cure then sanding them. Working 2 meters at a time should help a lot. I do dread the bottom of the box keel though so that's why I made the long handle fillet tool. We'll see how it goes soon if the rain holds off.

Keep building!

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:55 pm
by Evan_Gatehouse
A tip I picked up from Russel Brown's book on epoxy use "Epoxy Basics" (very good book by the way) for 3 way inside corners. He gives 2 methods:

1.
- Fill the corner with extra epoxy putty using a ziplock bag "pastry bag" method
- carefully work from the corner outward for each seam

2. His preferred method
- do the fillet on 2 of the sides first
- when the fillet has cured a bit go back (a few hours) and do the 3rd side from the corner outward

You would not have to let the fillet fully cure, but partially harden so it is still a bit soft. That way you can apply the tape to the 3 edges while the fillet is still soft.

I have used a small "super bouncy ball" on wooden dowel for a 3 way seam tool. But I like Russel's idea better and want to try it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:40 pm
by terrulian
I never have any problem with fillets that I'm taping over. It's the final fairing of the fillets, using goop over the glass, that I find extremely time consuming at my level of skill.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
I came down with a major case of 'LazyAssedNess' which has kept me out of the boat shed for awhile. :roll:

Anyhow, back at it yesterday and today getting stuff cleaned up & ready for more filleting & taping.

Couldn't find sh*t on my workbench so it was first up for cleaning & organizing!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/05/ther ... xcuse.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 1:12 pm
by Jim_Hbar
Rick - A clean workbench is a sign of a sick mind!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 1:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Filleted the joint between the hull sides and the bulwarks. One layer of tape over that, wet on wet. I don't think this joint needs more than one layer. It'll get a couple more when the decks go on plus it's a lapped joint that was securely glued.

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Having to ease myself into this. Didn't take long for the carpal tunnel to start acting up again and I was only rolling out epoxy on the tape. Sheez. Wearing a back brace this year that appears to be working really well so far. Getting old suks!

Tomorrow I have a little work to do on the stem with the sander then I'll tape it up real good and tape in the thruster tube.

Standby..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 1:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jim_Hbar wrote:Rick - A clean workbench is a sign of a sick mind!
Thanks Jim.

My ole' Grandpa always told me never to trust a workman with a clean shop. He's not busy 'nuff to be any good!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 5:50 pm
by terrulian
Yeah...I was a little embarrassed to ask what was wrong with the workbench. I looked at it for quite awhile and couldn't find the problem.
My hands and arms are a mess, too. They felt so much better when I was just sitting on the couch.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 7:56 pm
by justin_dwyer
Your boat is looking great!!

Certainly is a big tub, I love the steps you have built to get in and out. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:40 am
by ks8
Yes. Good to see you at it again. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 5:57 am
by colinhart
Great to see you back looking forward to seeing picture colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:12 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Gov'ment job done, Mehico vacay over, workbench re-organized, liquids replenished...time to hit the wood and goop for another 5 months :-)

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Gov'ment job done, Mehico vacay over, workbench re-organized, liquids replenished...time to hit the wood and goop for another 5 months :-)
Hey Marc

Having some issues with aging parent to deal with have set me back a bit. That and a real bad case of 'lazy ass' to deal with. Dunno why, just can't seem to get into it this year. :?

All the ingredients are there I just need to get off my butt and get to it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 9:30 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Yeah, that happens. Could be the very long sub-artic winter; that depressed an awful lot of people here, even those who relish winter activities. She was a tough one for certain, probably the worst in my 57 years in fact. It took a while to get out of the funk and the lack of real sunshine vitamin D made things worst. All the stuff I usually do during; cooking courses, long walks, cross-country skiing - nope. Zero interest. Stayed home and ate under a blanket while staring at the tube without really paying attention. Once I cleaned up the cottage and erected the shelter I got back into the groove. Give it time Rick and ease into it, it will come back. Just try to not O.D. on your build, you will get really fed-up otherwise.

Sorry to hear about your Mom(or)Dad..that's tough and taxing.
Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Marc. Glad to hear I'm not alone in this Gawd Forsaken part of the world!

Anywho, I forced myself to haul my lazy ass out to the shed this morning. I have been puttering around in there. Little sanding here. Little taping there etc. Today's plan was to tape the stem. First chance to use the 'constant radius fillet tool' I made a few weeks ago.

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I have to say it worked really well. :wink:

Web log updated with a few more pics etc. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/05/majo ... y-ass.html

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:42 pm
by justin_dwyer
That looks awesome Rick :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:44 am
by Corto Maltese
The same story here on the sunny side of Alps... Started maybe a month earlier (the chapter with parents is also included).
It was hard to start for me maybe because the weeks of sanding hull were really tiresome and, yes, wintertime makes us lazy (after turning the boat we deserve it:). Having 60 years (-3 months) I need some time to gain fitness and fileting&taping keel has been hard school - ended with sciatica and few days of bed and pills. But we TW28 builders are stubborn kind, so this weekend I am going to prepare hull for lamination. After that we have 1001 smaller and diverse jobs. It's more appealing than fairing/sanding whale-hull. BTW next week I'm going to negotiate the engine http://betamarine.co.uk/portfolio-item/beta-43/ I want buy in September (+ Python drive, shaft etc.).
Nice fillet and billiard ball :D
Keep on,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 11:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
Boat Shed Crime Scene. Camera catches moment of Boat Builders death. :lol:

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/05/boat ... scene.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:34 pm
by Rogerdog
Looks like a clean kill.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:05 pm
by pee wee
You can't quit now! Get up and get busy, stop lying around dead!!! He does look kind of peaceful, though- no more sanding in that builder's future. I think he's almost smiling.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:35 pm
by terrulian
I don't want to be a party pooper, but I don't think he's quite done sanding yet. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 6:11 pm
by Cracker Larry
I know that feeling and feared that Mrs. Cracker would come home and find me dead one day. Which is why I haven't built a
TW28. I needed to do that 20 years ago, couldn't do it now.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:48 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Hey you do that in your cube while at work, not on a still under construction bateau

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Hi Rick,

Hey you do that in your cube while at work, not on a still under construction bateau
I went back to retirement (again) on Mar 31st when they ran out of money! :lol: Will likely go back this fall for 8 more weeks or so. Depends if they have something for me to do. As a causal employee I can work up to 90 days a year and still collect my pension (double dipping). So right now it's just tinker with the boat when I feel like it. Be a bum the rest of the time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:54 am
by terrulian
So right now it's just tinker with the boat when I feel like it. Be a bum the rest of the time.
Don't neglect your responsibility to entertain us, particularly now that CL's future is a little up in the air after he gives us the finishing touches.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
I'm afraid I'm not much of an entertainer. :wink:

Anywho, got a few more seams taped today. Won't be long and I'll be working with my head in the box keel. Not really looking forward to that part but it's gotta be done.

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I used the cue-ball fillet thingy again. This time I just laid down a bead of epoxy glue over the old fillets then laid on the tape. I went over the tape with the cue-ball after. It made a nice smooth fillet. Let it set up a bit then epoxied the tape. Seems to have worked pretty well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:35 am
by terrulian
I'm afraid I'm not much of an entertainer.
Perhaps flipping boats is not going to get you on America's Got Talent, but it works for me.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:58 pm
by Corto Maltese
Knottybuoyz wrote: Won't be long and I'll be working with my head in the box keel.
Take care, the keel is too narrow for head! I've spent all time laying over there and stretching in all possible unnatural postures (keel yoga blues ). This week I was laying again and sanding the keel. Jacques designed it to torture us. This week I'm going to lay down again to laminate the keel with first layer of fg. All evolution from reptiles to humans in vain.
Enjoy :lol:
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:11 pm
by Cracker Larry
Could you make some kind of scaffold arrangement over it that you could crawl on and work from?
I'm afraid I'm not much of an entertainer. :wink:
I beg to differ :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:44 pm
by pee wee
Also, nobody can forget those sanding videos- who says he's not an entertainer?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 2:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Could you make some kind of scaffold arrangement over it that you could crawl on and work from?
It's just wide 'nuff to form the perfect trap Larry! :lol: I picked up a roller frame with a 24" handle, that should help with the reach issue. I think it's about 32" deep at the back of the keel. A wee bit of a stretch for me.

I think summer has finally arrived. I started out at my normal 9'ish and it was a comfy 70 degs F in the shed. By noon it was hovering around 80 F and at 14:00 it was well over 90 F in the shed. I tried to get the entire perimeter taped & epoxied but fell short when the heat got the best of me and the epoxy. I gave up when I started spilling epoxy all over the freaking place. :roll:

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At least I got about 5 hrs in on the boat today. That's more than has been the norm lately. Felt like I had a lil' more stamina today. Will just keep pushing and get as much done as I can.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/05/if-y ... -heat.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 2:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote:Also, nobody can forget those sanding videos- who says he's not an entertainer?
OMG! Do you know how hard I've tried to forget those videos? :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 2:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:
Knottybuoyz wrote: Won't be long and I'll be working with my head in the box keel.
Take care, the keel is too narrow for head! I've spent all time laying over there and stretching in all possible unnatural postures (keel yoga blues ). This week I was laying again and sanding the keel. Jacques designed it to torture us. This week I'm going to lay down again to laminate the keel with first layer of fg. All evolution from reptiles to humans in vain.
See, this is where we should have been endowed with a half dozen grandchildren of various ages & sizes! :wink: I think a 3 yr old would be perfect for box keel fiberglass work! If worse came to worse you could always hang 'em upside down by their heels to get it done! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 4:41 pm
by Cracker Larry
Sometimes I wish for a trained spider monkey, that would be perfect :idea:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 5:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:Sometimes I wish for a trained spider monkey, that would be perfect :idea:
I asked the wife if I could have a monkey. She said: "Yes, but........you get a monkey you're responsible for the whole circus!" :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 5:55 pm
by Cracker Larry
Funny :lol: Does anyone remember the old Happy Dan kids show that used to come on back in the 1950's? When I was 5 or 6 years old I entered a contest on there to win a spider monkey, just had to pick the best name for the monkey and mail it in. I won the monkey! My mom and dad said NFW are you keeping a spider monkey at this house :!: I got to go on the TV show and they gave me a cheezy elastic belt as a consolation prize instead :( Don't know where the monkey went, but sure could have used it many times. The things I could have done with that monkey :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 6:01 pm
by terrulian
Boy, winning a monkey at such an early age. How can life go anywhere but down after that?
OMG! Do you know how hard I've tried to forget those videos?
Gimme the URL for those, please. I won't tell anyone.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 1:06 pm
by pee wee
Knottybuoyz wrote:I know you guys have been waiting anxiously for it! Here it is! My latest sanding video! :lol:

Making Dust. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2014/09/makin-dust.html

I believe this is one of a series, the entire series is available on DVD for only $59.99 plus P&H. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 1:26 pm
by terrulian
Thanks pee wee.
If that don't wean you off the porno, nothing will.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 2:03 pm
by Corto Maltese
You guys are amazing :lol: Monkey? For tw28 we'd need a gorilla. I would buy that Rick's sanding video for 59,99$ but postage to Europe is too high. And Euro plunged lately so, that you can buy German cars now.
Stuck whole day in the keel and laminated with 600g fg. Love that part, which is 63cm deep and 6cm wide :(
Don't have energy to post on my thread (English is not my native language and I need a lot of time).
Rick, I think my wife felt, that I could use the little guy (4years in August), so they went to visit grandma and help her on the farm. The grandchildren (4 of them from 2-5y) also flew away. No luck with the workforce! I'll check with the zoo.
Keep on boat building and directing videos,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for looking in Dario. Nice to know I'm not alone with all this keel nonsense.

The wife took this picture this morning. Another one of those 'WTF have I gotten myself into?' moments.

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I made a real mess in the box keel the other day so I was in there today sanding. PITA!

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So as you can see I don't fit in there very well.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/out-with-old.html

Lots more sanding in my future. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:00 pm
by terrulian
OMG Rick that looks miserable.
Do you really have to have that section of the boat look that nice? Who cares? Not me...I'll be glad to let you slide.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Under intense scrutiny from the Project Manager I was forced to accelerate the program!

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Perfect day in the boat shed though. Nice 72 F and slow hardener now! Things moved right along.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/abso ... t-day.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Oh no! I think I pulled a beer muscle! Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/thin ... uscle.html

Taping the hull bottom to the sides of the box keel. Three hrs of sanding and two hrs of taping, peel plying & squeegeeing! TaDa!

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Some of the best tape joinery I've done so far methinks! Didn't pay any attention to the time though. Started at 10 AM and crawled in the house at 15:30. Skipped lunch. Blood sugar must have dropped quiet a bit, got sorta wobbly. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:31 pm
by ks8
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We're makin' some dust now lemme tell ya! :D

A new WMD added to the arsenal of sanders! 8O

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/dusty-fella.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:56 pm
by pee wee
It's hard to see in the photo, but it doesn't look like you're using a side grip handle on that grinder- if you're not using one, you might go fetch it out of the box and give it a try, I find it much easier to control with than without.

I remember the first time I used a grinder with a 24 grit sanding disc on it- Holy Cow!!! I was pretty sure I could tackle anything with that tool, it ate it up! (just needed better eye protection because it threw stuff everywhere). Glad to see you've got might on your side. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:42 pm
by ks8
i second that :)

Finally watched the video of the flip too. That was some moment when she let loose! :help: Glad it was a good success :D 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote:It's hard to see in the photo, but it doesn't look like you're using a side grip handle on that grinder- if you're not using one, you might go fetch it out of the box and give it a try, I find it much easier to control with than without.
If you look at the bow thruster tube you can see the grinder handle sticking out of it! :wink: I took it off to get into the box keel where it narrows. Working one handed on the grinder while standing on your head in the keel is a bit awkward.

You're right, this thing will remove a lot of material in a very short period of time. I thought the flappy wheel thingy was good but this is better! Takes a light touch.

Thanks for looking in fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Finally watched the video of the flip too. That was some moment when she let loose! :help:
The boat let loose and so did my bowels! :lol:

It's gonna be one tough boat when it's finished! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:42 pm
by ks8
Yes, coming out of that clunk unscathed, maybe she is already beginning to spread the spirit of her name. :wink:

Build some peace into her, and she'll give it back. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Yes, coming out of that clunk unscathed, maybe she is already beginning to spread the spirit of her name. :wink:

Build some peace into her, and she'll give it back. :)
I think she'll be a peaceful boat ks8. She'll be right at home on the St. Lawrence & canals around here. I seem to remember, from a long time ago, a myth about boat builders putting gold coins in the stems of their power boats for good luck. Anybody remember that?

Just spent the morning with some detail sanding. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/always-details.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:24 pm
by terrulian
The coin tradition is an ancient one, possibly as old as Roman times. Considering coins only date back to about 700 BC, this happened pretty soon after they started minting them.

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2013/01/25/ ... tradition/
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/co ... t1662.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:29 pm
by Cracker Larry
I think the old sailing ships put the coin under the main mast, IIRC. I might not remember correctly, brain is fried.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:54 pm
by terrulian
You are correct, sir.
I didn't do that when I replaced the mast on my boat, however, and survived. I have only one superstition about sailing and that is: it may be bad luck to think you've won until you actually have the bow over the finish line.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:14 pm
by TomW1
It is an old superstition of placing coins under the mast. Dating well before the Romans. The Phoniceans(sp) were roaming the Mediterranean long before the Romans. Going far past the then established modern world. The Greeks were next and had there own coinage. Followed by the Romans. Coins have been found in this continent dating back a long time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:23 pm
by ks8
I'd like to find some of those in my backyard. :D That ought to pay for a new AC compressor for the van. :lol: It is mean crazy hot without AC, sitting in traffic on the hot road of Florida summer. :help:

how is the keel box coming along? :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:I'd like to find some of those in my backyard. :D That ought to pay for a new AC compressor for the van. :lol: It is mean crazy hot without AC, sitting in traffic on the hot road of Florida summer. :help:
Like that couple out west who found a $10M hoard of gold coins in their back yard? Yeah wouldn't we all!
ks8 wrote:how is the keel box coming along? :D
Taking the weekend off. :wink: Spent a little time polishing up the old car for a club meet. Had to deal with issues on the ole' lady's car yesterday and we're heading to Montreal tonight to see Rush in concert. I've been waiting 30 yrs to see Rush again. Most of you GOB's down south probably don't know who Rush are. Definitely not everyone's cup o' tea as they're usually described as 'progressive rock' musicians and they're Canadian too eh! :lol:

I'll be back at the boat business tomorrow.

Standby..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:01 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick my man !

At it still yeah. Geezus the real estate on that thing, wow. You have quite the fortitude. Hey its boat building - no complaining.

FYI, in the Navy, the yard welds a silver dollar on the keel for good luck; that has been the way for ages. I am inserting two coins in mine, inside on the structure. A Canadian and an American coin (built here / US design). Keep at it Rick, she is coming along.

Hope the show was great; about time they got inducted. Never saw them and cannot relate to their lyrics but I admire their musicmanship. Plus they are not a typical out of control excess booze / party band. Real "pros".

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:19 am
by ks8
Not many three member bands leave a lasting memory with a large audience. I hope your eyeballs stop bouncing back and forth from the bass lines soon..... :lol: I'm trying to reserve what is left of my hearing for how many years I might yet have need of them. But I've sure got plenty of *loud* memories from the 70's. :lol: Volume didn't always detract from genuine musical and song writing talent. :) And I'm sure it was a change from the sound of the RO. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:59 pm
by Dark Horse
Hope you enjoyed the Rush Concert.

I saw them in St Paul a few weeks ago. the show was Epic! It was a fantastic trip down memory lane.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
Dark Horse wrote:Hope you enjoyed the Rush Concert.

I saw them in St Paul a few weeks ago. the show was Epic! It was a fantastic trip down memory lane.
It was a great show! Neil Peart is mesmerizing! If it is indeed their last tour I'm glad I got to see it. 8) Not many instances of 3 guys who've stuck it out together for over 40 yrs and still friends! :wink:

Ok, just waiting for the rain to stop then back to the sandinsanity!

Thanks for looking in fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, playtime is over. Back to work!

Made some dust and a little progress.

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Not having much fun working in the box keel. :? Toughing it out though. Made myself a little long handled block sander to reach down into the deep spots. Works pretty well. At least I don't have to stand on my head!

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Few more pics on the web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/play ... -over.html

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Got digging around in the garden shed to find what fiberglass I had on hand and looky what I found!

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It's a motor! Damn! Almost forgot it was in there! :lol:

I'm short 12 oz 0/90 fiberglass for the inside so have to get that ordered. Things will slow down a bit till that arrives. :oops:

Web log updated with more pics & ramblings etc.: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/look ... found.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:09 pm
by jacquesmm
We were out of 12 oz. 0-90 for several weeks but we will receive a couple of hundred yards next week.

Nice engine,

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:12 pm
by ks8
vroom... or should i say "blup blup blup blup blup blup" :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:20 pm
by Cracker Larry
Nice engine 8)

I've got to ask this question. Why are you working so hard to sand and smooth the inside of the keel box? Won't it get filled with ballast and never be seen again after that?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:34 am
by BarraMan
Cracker Larry wrote: I've got to ask this question. Why are you working so hard to sand and smooth the inside of the keel box? Won't it get filled with ballast and never be seen again after that?
Great minds think alike! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just need to key the fabric so the next layer will stick & feather down the tape edges a bit so I don't get any bridging. There's that and the OCD perfection thing! :roll:

I don't think many of the TW28's have ballast in the whole keel. From what I remember they're a little light in the forward end and have a tendency to squat a bit in the stern. The box keel would be a good place for a couple of heavy truck batteries but would be virtually inaccessible under the engine etc.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:50 pm
by cape man
Cracker Larry wrote:
I've got to ask this question. Why are you working so hard to sand and smooth the inside of the keel box? Won't it get filled with ballast and never be seen again after that?


Great minds think alike! :lol:
I also have a great mind (well maybe...) 8O

The answer seems plausible, especially the OCD part, but man that looks like some painful work. So there's going to be another layer of glass and epoxy down in there?

Have been lurking here for a couple of weeks and just amazed at how BIG that sucker is compared to my Clara. My hat is off to you, especially after finding and watching the flip video. Keep building brother! She will be a beauty for sure.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:07 am
by ks8
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classic! :lol:


Now someone else can summarize the sanding video. :wink: :D

Big project. Have at it. I'm enjoying watching her take shape. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Now someone else can summarize the sanding video. :wink: :D
Well they're sorta like getting your wisdom teeth removed without freezing! :lol: That and the fact there's 20 mins or so of your life you'll never get back! :roll:
ks8 wrote:Big project. Have at it. I'm enjoying watching her take shape. 8)
Thanks Ks8. She's a whale! 31' 5" tip to stern. 10' 2" beam. The box keel is 24' long which is near a freakin' boat in itself.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:So there's going to be another layer of glass and epoxy down in there?
IIRC the plans call for 3 layers. Jacques doesn't like us sharing his specifications on here so I'll leave it at that.
cape man wrote:My hat is off to you, especially after finding and watching the flip video. Keep building brother! She will be a beauty for sure.
Thanks. I still watch the flip video from time to time just to remind myself how crazy I actually am! :? If I take my time and do it right it should be a decent looking boat. This is grunt work for me I'm mostly looking forward to fitting out her systems & furnishings etc.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/know ... imits.html

Too tired to type anything else. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well that was disappointing. Pulled the peel ply off. I've got bubbles all over the place. Dunno what the heck I did wrong this time. Gonna be a few hrs on the arse end of the grinder to fix that mess. Sorry, no pics. I'm ashamed of myself. :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:33 pm
by terrulian
No need. There have been many times in my much humbler project when I have said that this is the kind of thing best done by someone who knows what they're doing. But if I knew what I was doing, what fun would that be?
So no need for shame, that's for sure, but condolences on the extra work.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well here it is. It ain't pretty.

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That's the worst spot. I lifted the fabric while wet to remove a piece of crap. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! I should have just cut a small slit and removed the piece of crap. :roll:

More pics of tiny bubbles on the web log: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/tiny-bubbles.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You can fix pretty much any screw up with enough epoxy & fiberglass! :lol:

Spent 2-1/2 hrs grinding my sins away with my new 'Mini WMD'! What a great tool for gobbling up bad fiberglassing!

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I have one of these flappy style discs on my 4" grinder and it has a ravenous appetite! The little 2" disc on the die grinder was the perfect tool for grinding out the bubbles. Probably saved me a couple of hours with my head stuck in the keel. A right angle die grinder would have been even easier.

All that above and more gibberish on the web log which I just updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/mini-wmd.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
Working smaller sections that I can handle easier. Hope is to spend more time building than fixing up screw ups! We'll see how it works. So far so good.

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Just one 4' section done along the starboard side. Getting hot today so called it quits at 11:00 when the temp in the shed hit 33C. I'll try to get 3 x 4' sections done tomorrow. I did do the back end of the keel in smaller sections and it worked out fine.

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/slow-steady.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:26 am
by ks8
Watching your progress on the keel makes me wonder if there is a way to prefab most of it 'off-boat', but with the one-off method, I don't see any other way to get as good a shape and fit integration into the entire hull. Well I can think of one way, but it may not save any labor at all, except maybe some of that contortion work. So I continue to admire your efforts and the progressing results. 8) :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:59 am
by Cracker Larry
I'm sort of glad that I didn't decide to build that boat, back when I was considering it. Wears me out just watching. Dang :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Definitely not a project for one old fart. Two old farts? Maybe! Still wish I had done this 20 yrs ago. Oh well. Too far into it to quit now! :wink:

Too hot today to hit the boat shed. Got a lot of running around to do this week so we'll see what gets done if anything. Picked up a 2 x 4 ft x 3/8 sheet of 6061 aluminum for $100 to make backing plates etc. Thought that was a deal.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another 12' section of the keel done. Going to try to wrap up this first layer in the box keel nonsense in a couple of days.

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Next step will be bottom on the port side. I have to order some more glass for the starboard side.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:33 am
by ks8
I'm guessing with that much boat above, and that much earth below, it doesn't hurt to have a mighty strong keel. :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:05 am
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:I'm guessing with that much boat above, and that much earth below, it doesn't hurt to have a mighty strong keel. :)
As long as the water stays on the outside I'll be happy! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:18 pm
by jacquesmm
Building that type of boat, each time you have a left of fiberglass and resin, put it in the keel.
On the 40 footers I did build in Europe, we often ended up with a keel sole 2" thick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:Building that type of boat, each time you have a left of fiberglass and resin, put it in the keel.
On the 40 footers I did build in Europe, we often ended up with a keel sole 2" thick.
Was planning to do just that. I have a whole 40 gallon barrel full of cut-offs! That'd suck up a lot of resin! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
First layer on box keel done! Yeah! 8)

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Not pretty but I can live with it. Got some cleaning up to do on the bottom panel, port side, then it'll be ready for glass & goop!

Few more pics & nonsense on the latest blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/2-day-update.html

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:55 am
by Cracker Larry
I think that chop guns were invented for glassing situations like that one. Blow it in there :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:I think that chop guns were invented for glassing situations like that one. Blow it in there :lol:
Holy Mother of Merlot! Now he tells me! :roll:

I had half a thought, way back when, to glass the insides of the box keel while the panels were all laid out flat. I'm guessin' that was a good idea I let slip! :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:55 pm
by ks8
Would a chop gun work with the thicker epoxy (instead of polyester)? Would it be anywhere near as strong in tension? As a composite skin? As strong as heavy biax? I think the method given is probably the best, even though it requires the most strength (of patience) to do it... and there's nothing like doing it right, right? :D Strength is putting in the most strength, I think..... :D

Now a chop gun over the completed biax, just to add thickness, I suppose would be easier than mat, to add thickness, if that was the only objective to additional glass beyond the schedule. But it may be highly likely that I have no idea what I am talking about.... It has happened on occasion, I hope infrequently. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
Think I'll leave the chopper guns to the production boat builders. I can imagine myself making an un-holy mess with one! Sheez! :wink:

Removed the uprights & cross bars from the rolling frame. Thank The Maker they're out of the way. It'll be pleasant 'Not' smashing my head on them constantly!

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Birds Eye View

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Port side bottom panel will get glassed next. Just have to go round with the sander and dress up some fabric edges & shiny spots.

It'll be a 'Big Pour'. IIRC the time we did the outside bottom it took 11 hrs & 3 1/2 gallons of epoxy and that was with a helper mixing goop.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:35 am
by terrulian
When you see the bird's-eye overlook, it brings it home what a manly build this is!! Great fun to watch. Sorry this entails your suffering, though 8O :roll: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:56 pm
by ks8
Knottybuoyz wrote:Think I'll leave the chopper guns to the production boat builders. I can imagine myself making an un-holy mess with one! Sheez! :wink:
I can relate to that! Probably would have ended up with a fiberglass lined tent.. and fan... and shopvac... and shoes. :lol: I'd be tempted to try it, but it would add another year to the build as I learned how to get it to work just right. Probably cost hundreds in materials learning it too. And add more weight than a nice controlled biax lamination? 8O :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:01 pm
by Cracker Larry
When you see the bird's-eye overlook, it brings it home what a manly build this is!!
That is a manly build indeed :help: I don't think I'm man enough to tackle it now. 30 years ago, maybe.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:26 pm
by Fred in Wisc
I'm prone to overconfidence and starting things that take a lot longer to finish than I thought they would. But a TW28, no way. A man's gotta know his limitations.

Hats off to you, sir, for taking on a solo project of that magnitude. That thing is freaking huge.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:39 am
by BarraMan
Yeah, I always thought I had a cruising trawler build in me, but after my BIG Barra boat - NO WAY!

Maybe if I had started 20 yrs ago! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:53 am
by ks8
Sounds like we need more younger builders soon. :lol:

Time for a fresh outbreak of BBV?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
She is a big tub. 31' 5" tip of bow to top of transom. A regular TW28 just wasn't 'nuff for us so I had to stretch it out an extra 39"! :?

I would have liked to tackle this 20 yrs go as well but just wasn't in the cards at the time. Had to get close to retirement before I could afford to start. Was doing pretty good till I hit the big Five Oh then sh*t started to fall apart & a few accidents slowed me down a lot. Once you're this far into a project you just have to tough it out. It hurts but it's a good hurt when you see what others have done and know your time is coming too!

Thanks for looking in fella's it helps a lot keeping the enthusiasm for the project high!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I f*cked up. A couple of years ago. Now it's come back to bite me in the arse! :oops:

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/expe ... stake.html

I'm going to go sailing with Cap'n Morgan. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:09 pm
by ks8
That's painful. :oops: :help:

Going to post that in the *I messed up* thread?

Not that its any consolation, but it could have been much worse... always... right? :lol: :?

Remember -- Capt Morgan never really has both feet on the ground, so I wouldn't trust too much what he has to offer, certainly not as a long term solution. His codes are nothing more than suggestions. :help:

:)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:09 pm
by BarraMan
Ha! US$450 is loose change in the overall cost of this build! :D

I keep telling Mrs Barraman, "Remember, you can't take it with you", whenever she finds yet another receipt!

The stuff-ups are all part of the experience. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The long wait is over boys!

What you've been so patiently waiting for!

It's new! It's here! It's now!

I present the latest Sandinsanity Video! :lol:

https://youtu.be/xbVoNx2q_dI

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:35 pm
by terrulian
I can't believe I watched the whole thing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:03 pm
by ks8
:lol:

I've got it looping on the big screen TV, and pumped through the stereo.... YES! :lol:

I wonder how a wood chisel, and mallet, and then an electric handplaner would work for the same job. Less dust? But I've never planed such a large piece.... of mahogany. As the years pass by I'm appreciating methods with less dust. I hope its not a punishable offense, but I haven't used the belt sander in two years. NTL, that's looking like one mighty strong stringer. And a good respirator. Sanding mahogany that aggressively, the face shield is an excellent example. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:I can't believe I watched the whole thing.
I'm sorry! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:I've got it looping on the big screen TV, and pumped through the stereo.... YES! :lol:
Oh Gawd I hope the wife & kids aren't home to see that! :oops:
ks8 wrote:I wonder how a wood chisel, and mallet, and then an electric handplaner would work for the same job. Less dust? But I've never planed such a large piece.... of mahogany. As the years pass by I'm appreciating methods with less dust. I hope its not a punishable offense, but I haven't used the belt sander in two years. NTL, that's looking like one mighty strong stringer. And a good respirator. Sanding mahogany that aggressively, the face shield is an excellent example. :D
Wood chisel? Check!
Mallet? Check!
Electric Planer? Check!
Less dust? Not likely!
Not having used belt sander in 2 years? You buy a round for the boys!

The stringers are in pieces. When the kit was cut all the ends lined up instead of being staggered. Not having a frikkin' clue what I was doing I glued them all together. Now I have to create some sort of spline/splice to get them back into one piece.

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So, yeah, there's a heck of a lot more sawdust coming. :lol:

More video tomorrow!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:11 pm
by ks8
I'd like to hear Jacques on that stringer situation, but there's a week or two wait on that. So, are you planning an 8:1 diagnol splice, or some other approach?

I wonder if any other TW builders could jump in here, in Jacques's absence? :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:I'd like to hear Jacques on that stringer situation, but there's a week or two wait on that. So, are you planning an 8:1 diagnol splice, or some other approach?
Nothing so fancy. Just butt splices on either side. Plenty of glue & extra glass.
ks8 wrote:I wonder if any other TW builders could jump in here, in Jacques's absence? :)
I'm sure Jacques knows about it. I and others have pointed them out. No idea if they have been corrected but I'm pretty sure he would have done that.

This is a jpeg taken from the CnC files. The instructions were to cut 4 sheets. There are no other similar files to cut. Just 4 exactly like this.

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Drawing E262-6 only shows the completed assembly for the stringers with no indications where or how to cut them.

Just a minor hiccup! Part of building from a kit is figuring out how all of it goes together.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:22 am
by BarraMan
If it were me, I would rebuild the stringers and stagger the joins.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
BarraMan wrote:If it were me, I would rebuild the stringers and stagger the joins.
That doesn't make any sense BarraMan. There's nothing wrong with the stringers that can't be fixed. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well. Maybe this will help.

The stringers are made up of 4 layers of 1/2" ply. I intend to remove 1 layer from each side of each adjoining end of the stringer sections.

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The two sections butted together will look like this.

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Butt splices or whatever you want to call them will be glued & glassed to join the sections and will look something like this.

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And from the edge on view.

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I don't have an extra $400 to $500 to buy more plywood to remake the stringers anyways. Gotta make do with what I got!

Thanks for chiming in though. Always helps to hash things out.

All of this was in today's blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/stri ... inued.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:15 pm
by ks8
Are you going to do the butt splice *in the boat*, *in position* so that the final full stringer fits as close as possible to your developed panels? :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:Are you going to do the butt splice *in the boat*, *in position* so that the final full stringer fits as close as possible to your developed panels? :)
I have to. For a couple of reasons. One, if I assemble them outside the boat I'll have one b*tch of a time getting them in the boat. It's tight, very tight, in the shed. Two, I've stretched the hull. I have to add 39-1/8" to the stringers. This should be exactly where the engine will sit. I have some measurements to take but IIRC the engine is 1" too wide for the stringers so I'll have some 'backyard eyeball engineering' to do. :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:43 pm
by sds
When you said 'butt splice' I think barraman probably thought butt *joint*, like I did. Butt splice is certainly better than that. Curious though what the plans actually call for. All interlaced?

In any case, those stringers alone are equal to several lesser boats. And I did get to say 'butt' several times. Not going to watch your sanding video though.

Never!

cheers,
scott

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:05 pm
by terrulian
Not going to watch your sanding video though.
Have you ever seen the Warhol movie, "Sleep"?
It's eight hours of a guy sleeping. This is WAY more interesting.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:10 am
by sds
terrulian wrote: Have you ever seen the Warhol movie, "Sleep"?
It's eight hours of a guy sleeping. This is WAY more interesting.
:lol:

Maybe the guy was dreaming of sanding!

edit: Wait.. I think I just blew my mind...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:31 pm
by BarraMan
No, I understood what was intended.

As an individual, I can have an opinion - and I stand by my previous comment.

"If it were me, I would rebuild the stringers and stagger the joins"

But that's just me!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:07 pm
by sds
Understood Barraman. A staggered joint would seem to be stronger and more resilient. Not being an engineer, if it was me I'd want to do what the plans call for or get Jacques to sign off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The plans and builders notes for the TW28 are not much help when it comes to cutting or assembling the stringers and I don't mean that disparagingly. Neither contain any details on the number of layers required or staggering of joints etc. If someone had built one of these before they might catch on and do it that way. I am working from a 'CnC' cut kit so I assumed that this is the way it's supposed to be. I was wrong to assume the 'CnC' kit was perfect.

Ok, enough about stringers.

Moving on.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
Supplies have arrived! Back at it while I can. Humidex says it's supposed to feel like 99F today. By 10:00 it was 90F in the shed so I pulled the pin. The heat I can take. The humidity is a killer!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/supp ... rived.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:47 am
by terrulian
Good way to start the day, with a bunch of posts from builders (although we need to find Larry a new project to keep us entertained and edified :D ).
That is a tremendous amount of glass. Notwithstanding the stringer controversy, I have little doubt this thing will last until the next century.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Good way to start the day, with a bunch of posts from builders (although we need to find Larry a new project to keep us entertained and edified :D ).
That is a tremendous amount of glass. Notwithstanding the stringer controversy, I have little doubt this thing will last until the next century.
Someone once said: 'The only two things left after a nuclear war will be cockroaches and fiberglass boats!' :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:01 pm
by ks8
And gobs of 5200... :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
First foray into cutting metal with woodworking tools! Laid out and cut the parts for the skeg.

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Circular saw worked amazingly well but it killed my jig saw! :roll:

Too friggin' hot to do any epoxy work. Hit 102 yesterday with the humidex. I was out of the shed by 10:30. Had a decent breeze so worked with my new lil' welder on some mods to the dingy trailer.

Lots of pics and a 'non-sanding' video on today's web log update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-skeg.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:59 pm
by TheBroomside
ks8 wrote:I wonder if any other TW builders could jump in here
No reaction from me, not because a lack of interest in this build, but because we were away for a three week trip with the Luka, including the first 'official' EU TW28 meet with the 'Stoere Meid' and the Luka sailing together for about ten days. Report will be posted.

It is a long time ago :wink: but I seem to remember we noticed the problem before gluing the stringers together and solved the problem by recutting only a few pieces. The result is somewhat similar to what you propose. Whatever solution you choose, you want the stringers to be as strong as possible. We drove the Luka through some very 'salty' conditions and she took some heavy pounding. She did very well.

Interestingly when looking this up I went through my building tread and found this when reporting gluing the stringers to the hull:
TheBroomside wrote:We totalled 1008 hour of work, about halfway I guess
In practice we spend about 4400 h building and pondering Luka. So at that stage we still underestimated the amount of work left by more than 100%. just to cheer you up, Rick :) :) :)
But remember, Allard built the Stoere meid in about half the time we did.

Good luck, I still follow your build with a lot of interest and admiration.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Peter

Allard is a 'Superman'! :lol: I wish he would come over here for a few weeks and help me out! Just kidding.

A very rough estimate of actual time spent working on the boat is about 480 hrs. I couldn't even venture a guess at how many hours pondering I've done. I lost quite a bit of last year to a messed up knee. We have a short building season here, about 6 months and then when other life events get in the way it slows you down. I'm on track to beat my friend Peter's build. Took him 9 years! I'm hoping to be done in 6! :wink:

Peter's boat, Turtle Bay, Bolger 'Windemere' IIRC. About the same length as mine but only 7' beam. Design is known as an 'estuary cruiser'. Very shallow draft with dagger board keel. Outboard powered. Amazingly sturdy and stable boat.

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Can't wait to hear about your adventure with Allard. Hope you took lots of pictures! 8)

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Bit of welding this morning to finish up temporary bunks on my dingy trailer then started to lay out the thrust plate for the Python Drive.

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Not much to look at right now. I have to get a 120 mm hole saw. That should be spendy! :roll: Couple of places I think I'll be able to use it later though. The clouds opened up so I had to call it quits.

Yesterday I beveled the edges of the skeg parts that'll get welded. Don't know if I did it right but it's done. I did it with my router.

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Had good intentions of getting some fiberglassing done today but my back is kicking up a fuss. Dunno why that is. It's been really good for a couple of months now. Gettin' old suks! :cry:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:15 pm
by Cracker Larry
Gettin' old suks! :cry:
It really does, but it's better than the alternative, at least so far :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:05 pm
by bigtalljv
I'm 20 years younger than you and my back is 10 years older than you. Mis-spent youth playing football through college. All you can do it core work and stretch. Two of the worst most miserable things on the planet. I'd rather sand your boat twice that do core work and stretch but it does help. Perhaps thats why you sand so much? You must feel the same :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
bigtalljv wrote:I'm 20 years younger than you and my back is 10 years older than you. Mis-spent youth playing football through college. All you can do it core work and stretch. Two of the worst most miserable things on the planet. I'd rather sand your boat twice that do core work and stretch but it does help. Perhaps thats why you sand so much? You must feel the same :lol:
Hey bigtalljv. I don't know what core work is. :doh: Something to do with cutting plywood for the boat core? :wink: Sounds painful though. The sanding thing has something to do with my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Not really the best thing to have if you're trying to build a boat. Ya end up with a heck of a lot of very expensive materials turned to dust on your shop floor! :roll:

Anywho, I managed to get some fiberglassing done on the port side bottom panels. Took me three hours to do 20' of it. Sections are about 28" which is about as far as I can reach to squeegee it all out and add the peel ply.

After 1 hour, 3 sections.

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After 2 hours, 6 sections

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And after 3 hours all 9 sections gooped & peelplied.

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I'll finish up the port side tomorrow. I don't like working in the bow much. Gravity keeps pulling me & everything else into the bilge. :?

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:22 pm
by BarraMan
Why peel-ply the bottom like that? Isn't there a floor going in over it?

I only used peel-ply on the last layer of glass in areas that would be seen - to minimize the amount of fairing required.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
BarraMan wrote: I only used peel-ply on the last layer of glass in areas that would be seen - to minimize the amount of fairing required.
This isn't the last layer of glass. Two more to go. I can't work wet on wet or hit the 24 hr re-coat limit so it's peel ply or sanding.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:13 am
by BarraMan
OK, I get it now! Never occurred to me to do that - for me it would be faster to sand than to de-air bubble peel ply.

Build on! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
The peel ply really is a PITA especially this cheap stuff. I'd still take the squeegee over the sander any day! The 'spendy stuff is a lot nicer to work with. When you've sanded about 100 acres of hull 'nuff's 'nuff! You still end up sanding a few seams and overlaps but that's dick all compared to a bottom panel which is about 100+ sq ft.

Anywho, carrying on, I got the rest of the port side done up to the bow thruster tube. I'll do the bow tomorrow with the extra heavy duty triaxial glass I have. Figured that's as good a place as any to use it up.

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Half way, about an hours worth.

Finished, just in time, two hours work & temps rising! About 85F in the shed right now.

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Took off a strip of peel ply to the glass I laid down yesterday. Damn near perfect I'd say! :wink:

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:44 pm
by colinhart
Rick just picked up your talk re the stringers. Surely most of the stresses and strains will be along the axis of the boat, the only time you get a shear stress will be in a sea that is across the line of travel if you glue ply either side of the joint and use your usual mount of matting and epoxy or maybe more then I would have thought you would be okay Cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Rick just picked up your talk re the stringers. Surely most of the stresses and strains will be along the axis of the boat, the only time you get a shear stress will be in a sea that is across the line of travel if you glue ply either side of the joint and use your usual mount of matting and epoxy or maybe more then I would have thought you would be okay Cheers Colin
Hey Colin

Do you remember your stringers being a puzzle to figure out? The plans & builders notes are much help.

The splice in mine will be right under the engine so I'll add plenty of extra glass to support that weight. I have a tendency to 'overbuild' everything I do so this will be the same. I'm not worried.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:17 pm
by Rickk
About 85F in the shed right now.
I wake up, go outside (7AM) and it's already that warm - that's the temp I start at here in the summer :(
Nice work though - I agree that I would have to be 20+ years younger to even think about tackling a project of this magnitude.
My 17ft total rebuild has taken me almost 3 years and I started with a hull. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote:
About 85F in the shed right now.
I wake up, go outside (7AM) and it's already that warm - that's the temp I start at here in the summer :(
Nice work though - I agree that I would have to be 20+ years younger to even think about tackling a project of this magnitude.
My 17ft total rebuild has taken me almost 3 years and I started with a hull. :oops:
It's amazing how quickly the time flies when you're doing something like this. It would be nice to have an extra pair of helping hands but that ain't gonna happen. :roll:

Anywho, checked on my handiwork this morning. OMG The Mother of all Bubbles! Gawdammit!

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It's about 12" wide by 10" tall. Cut it out and ground back to good glass.

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I'll add another later later for good measure.

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Gonna babysit this one though. Make sure no more bubbles creep into the glass. :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Bubble update. I went out after about half an hour and the bubble was back! Not quite as big as before but it didn't have all day to form like the last one. I took the peel ply off thinking maybe that's trapping whatever off-gassing is going on. :doh: Rolled out the bubble and let it sit. Another half hour later.

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It's back again. Same size.

Got the bubble buster out and rolled the crap out of it again!

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The epoxy is at the ultra sticky consistency now so this thing should stick down. I'll keep checking every half hour.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:22 pm
by jacquesmm
Knottybuoyz wrote:Hey Colin

Do you remember your stringers being a puzzle to figure out? The plans & builders notes are much help.

The splice in mine will be right under the engine so I'll add plenty of extra glass to support that weight. I have a tendency to 'overbuild' everything I do so this will be the same. I'm not worried.

Cheers
The stringers will be beefed up later with several layers of wood to become engine beds. In almost all cases, brackets in or brackets out, the engine beds and stringers are the same part.
I paid attention to that during the design and almost all engine types fit between the stringers. Some Old Westerbeke and Perkins are a little tight at the oil pan but they still fit.
To use stringers as engine beds reduces vibrations.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:29 pm
by terrulian
It's back again. Same size.
I hate it when that happens.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:43 pm
by jacquesmm
Bubble: this is weird.
You have used tons of epoxy so you know the material.
What is it that you do differently there?
The peel ply? Sometimes, when using polyethylene sheets as peel-ply, a residue is left on the surface. It happens with some plastic sheeting but not will all.
I guess there is something on that spot, some kind of contamination. Something that degasses or expand while the resin cures.

Clean it, degrease it (lacquer thinner), grind a little bit before the next try.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Jacques

Yes definitely weird. Never had anything like that before. I was thinking maybe a drop of oil from the air sander may have contaminated the surface. I ground it down to the wood again before I laid in the patch. It bubbled up a little as you saw. Probably moisture got in the wood somehow and was now out-gassing. Everything else I did was the same. The peel ply was actual Airtech peel ply and I've used tons of that as well.

Anyhow it's fixed now. Just checked and no more bubble.

Nice to have you back. Hope you're well on your way to a full recovery.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:24 pm
by Corto Maltese
Knottybuoyz wrote: Nice to have you back. Hope you're well on your way to a full recovery.
:-D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Bow section glassed in.

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How many more times do I have to do this? :?

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/bow- ... assed.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Slacked off yesterday and got ourselves into a wee bit o'trouble on a ferry boat! :? Bottomed out on the loading ramps and damn near tore the exhaust off the ole' Camaro. That's the problem with a lowered car. Only 3" of ground clearance! :oops:

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So to make up for slacking off yesterday I hit the shed at 9:00 and got to work ripping up peel ply and prepping the forward port side for glass.

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That section is 16' long by 4' 2" wide. I figure it'll soak up about 2 gallons of epoxy and take me at least 3 hrs to wet out and peel ply. Might tackle that tomorrow, not sure yet.

More pics etc. on the web log update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/port ... rward.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:21 pm
by terrulian
My old MG was very low and sometimes I had to ask my wife to get out so I could get into a driveway. For some reason, she didn't find this flattering.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:04 am
by Rickk
Knottybuoyz wrote:That section is 16' long by 4' 2" wide. I figure it'll soak up about 2 gallons of epoxy and take me at least 3 hrs to wet out and peel ply. Might tackle that tomorrow, not sure yet.
Do you weigh your glass to find out the amount of resin to mix?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote:Do you weigh your glass to find out the amount of resin to mix?
No. Kinda used to 'eyeballing' it now after having done so much of it. :wink: I use a 'Sticky Stuff' dispenser' so just keep pumpin' till the job is done.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Port side fiberglass all gooped up & squeegeed. I only used a bit of peel ply where the fabrics will overlap. The rest is naked. See how it goes this time.

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Took me 3 hrs and 2 gals of epoxy just like I figured it would. Getting good at guestimating materials I am! :lol:

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The ole' web log has topped 100,000 page views. That's a wee accomplishment methinks! Many thanks to everyone who's visited it over the years. Cheers!!! http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/port ... ssing.html

Shower time!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:36 pm
by Cracker Larry
That's the problem with a lowered car. Only 3" of ground clearance! :oops:
You couldn't even begin to make it down our driveway with that, and it's 1/2 mile long. If you visit me with that car, park up on the paved road and call me, we'll come up and get you in the truck :lol:

The boat is looking great. Just keep fighting the fight, one round at a time. I really admire somebody who takes on a project like that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
That's the problem with a lowered car. Only 3" of ground clearance! :oops:
You couldn't even begin to make it down our driveway with that, and it's 1/2 mile long. If you visit me with that car, park up on the paved road and call me, we'll come up and get you in the truck :lol:

The boat is looking great. Just keep fighting the fight, one round at a time. I really admire somebody who takes on a project like that.
Thanks for the compliment Larry. I think we could navigate your driveway! I have a vehicle for almost every occasion! :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hot & Muggy & rain all day. Not much fun fiberglassin' in that kinda weather so I decided to hack up some more aluminum plate and make the thrust plate for the Python Drive.

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Took my time and got the holes lined up perfectly. Measure 1500 times, cut (drill) once they say! :lol:

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Two shopping trips to Canadian Tire today. Second one netted a new Jig Saw & some drill bits. I probably have 50 drill bit kits or whatever you call them and none with a 1/2" bit. *sigh* Luckily both were on sale! :D

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Weather supposed to be more conducive to epoxy work tomorrow.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:11 pm
by ks8
Standing by... sometimes while sitting. :)

Why is it that I can relate so well to *measure 1500 times, cut once*? :lol:

There must be some type of conspiracy going on with the sizes included in drill bit sets, and the sizes that are missing, or need replacing most often. It must be the Illuminati behind it, just like their nefarious meddling in influencing the number of hot dogs in a pack, vs the number of hot dog rolls in a bag.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
ks8 wrote:There must be some type of conspiracy going on with the sizes included in drill bit sets, and the sizes that are missing, or need replacing most often. It must be the Illuminati behind it, just like their nefarious meddling in influencing the number of hot dogs in a pack, vs the number of hot dog rolls in a bag.
It's that same mystical force that always takes one of your matching socks out of the dryer! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Port side aft fabric laid out to be gooped tomorrow. Just have to trim it up a bit in the back corner. This piece is 18' 6" long and should consume about 2 gallons of epoxy and take me 3 hours again to wet it out.

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I'm not going to use peel ply this time either. Just resigned myself to a wee bit of sanding prior to the next layer going on.

Warning! Selfie!

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Oh man! That's Butt Fugly! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:01 pm
by Fuzz
Rick,
What is the difference between the Python drive and a aqua-drive?
Thanks, Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:26 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Rick,
What is the difference between the Python drive and a aqua-drive?
Thanks, Fuzz
Other than $$$ Fuzz, IIIRC the Python cost me $990 and a quote from Aqua was $2700. I do believe the Aqua-drive includes the shaft & seals I think but not sure. The Python Drive is just the thrust bearing and CV joints.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:43 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Still at it and progressing nicely!! Man, every time I check your build I see another 2 gallons disappear yikes and just yesterday my bro said I should buy shares from S3. Keep at it Rick. Still on my boat also...sanding, filleting, sanding, fairing, sanding. Life goes on without a laptop to upload pics but in a month or so I will have about 20 to put on my build site.

Days are already getting shorter sadly but on the upside, the cool air is tops to sand.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Marc

Yeah, took advantage of the cooler temps today to get some more done.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/leve ... glass.html

Started out having to level the boat (again). It settled 3" on one side since we flipped it last year. Half is sitting where my gravel driveway was and the other have (that sunk) was grass at one time.

Boat gobbled up another 1-1/2 gallons today! 8O

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Switching stuff around tomorrow to do the starboard side & transom then guess what? Oh boy! I get to do it all over again! :roll:

Looking forward to pics from your project.

Cheers!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:22 pm
by Fuzz
Rick thanks for the python info. If it works as good as an aqua-drive does you are going to be glad you installed it. I put an aqua-drive in a boat that was having lots of shafting problems and it solved them as well as could be hoped for. Nice to hear there is a less expensive option now days.
I am enjoying watching your build. That is a huge undertaking for one man. But as CL says one bite a a time will get it done.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Rick thanks for the python info. If it works as good as an aqua-drive does you are going to be glad you installed it. I put an aqua-drive in a boat that was having lots of shafting problems and it solved them as well as could be hoped for. Nice to hear there is a less expensive option now days.
My buddy Del installed one on his Choate 40 (modified racer) to help deal with alignment & shaft issues.

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From what he tells me it's achieved what it was designed to do. The only issue he's had is some coating coming off the cv joints and the fasteners corroding. He keeps it sprayed with a lil' WD40 and all's good.
Fuzz wrote:I am enjoying watching your build. That is a huge undertaking for one man. But as CL says one bite a a time will get it done.
Thanks Fuzz. The kind words are encouraging! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:59 pm
by peter-curacao
Knottybuoyz wrote:
Warning! Selfie!


Oh man! That's Butt Fugly! 8O
Hahahaha thanks man I really needed a big laugh :D and just so you know it isn't that bfugly as you say/think it is :wink: Boat comes together very nice also, great job 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
peter-curacao wrote:..... Boat comes together very nice also, great job 8)
Thanks Peter! Can always count on you for encouragement buddy! :wink:

Wee diversion from boat building this morning but still sort of boating related. Ever since the 'Big Bubble' incident I've been thinking that it may have been caused by some sort of contamination from my air compressor, water or oil. Was contemplating bodging together a makeshift air dryer from an old air compressor tank then this morning the Canadian Tire model of air dryer was on sale. Lil' voice in my head said: "Buy It & Run" so I did! $13 in fittings etc. and FrankenManifold is born!

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Apologize for the crappy cell phone pics.

Few more pics etc. on today's web log update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/litt ... lated.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:15 pm
by Rickk
I was sanding the paint runs out today :oops: and I have an inline dryer and it fills up about every 30 mins of continuous sanding. If I keep any eye on it I don't get a lot of water exhaust where I'm sanding - if I don't..... so make sure you watch the dryer.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
Starboard side bottom panel sanded & glass laid out. Just need a break from the heat and I'll get this gooped down. Doing the bottom & side in two sections just like the port side.

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Heat warnings for today. 100+ with humidex. Think I'll be laying low this afternoon. :wink:

Few more pics & nonsense on the blog update today: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/stbd ... glass.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:43 am
by jacquesmm
I don't see much overlap there.
If you do it that way, you must follow with a layer of tape over the angles: chine, keel, transom.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:I don't see much overlap there.
If you do it that way, you must follow with a layer of tape over the angles: chine, keel, transom.
I have 12" of overlap on the ends of the sheets. I'll add an extra layer of tape as you suggest along the chine. Had that thought in my head for awhile. The fabric coming out of the keel is at least 10" overlap. I've got a ton of tape & offcuts so there'll be plenty of extra getting laid down. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Finally got a little relief from the heat. Hit the shed early and got to work!

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Starboard side aft bottom panel wetted out.

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Tomorrow the bow section.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Port side inside done. Took over an hour longer than the other side. I couldn't get the fabric to wet out. What a PITA. Must have been a combination of the temperature & humidity or something. I dunno. :doh:

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Gonna keep plugging away at it.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Sanded in prep for more glass on the starboard inside & bulwarks. Didn't take too long but long enough to make it pretty much unbearable to goop it today.

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Should take me about the same time as the port side did. Three hours and 2 gallons of epoxy. I'll only have the bottom section on the starboard side and the transom then it'll be onto the 12 oz fabric which I hope will go a lot faster.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:40 pm
by cazuza
Man you have taken on one awesome task. I bought the plans years back but I'm glad I didn't start the project. Keep it up, your gradually driving it into submission.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cazuza wrote:Man you have taken on one awesome task. I bought the plans years back but I'm glad I didn't start the project. Keep it up, your gradually driving it into submission.
Thanks for the kind words cazuza. It is a wee bit big project but not insurmountable. Other's have done it. I'll do it. Just takes longer when you work alone that's all.

Took 'nother bite out of the whale this morning. Starboard side inside.

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Three hours give or take and 1-3/4 gallons of epoxy. I squeegeed the livin' sh*t out of it today! :wink: Tomorrow I'll sand the edges and get ready to do the starboard side bottom & transom. Should be able to get them done in one day.

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/star ... warks.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Son of a Bubble!

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Fixed that lil' b*stard! :wink: Sat there and watched it growing from about 3" across to 6" before I nailed it with the bubble buster.

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Got the glass for the transom laid up and trimmed but the carpal tunnel syndrome kicked up again. My hands are Sore! Sore! Sore!

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/son-of-bubble.html

There's always tomorrow.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
Done! First layer on the inside, DONE! I can't believe it's taken me months & months to get this done. Sheez I must be a lazy bastard! :wink: Finished up the transom today to complete the first layer.

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Added extra 17 oz tape where Jacques was concerned about the small overlaps in fabrics. I'll do the same on the chine where they're a little thin as well.

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The complex shape of the transom and the transition to the side & bottoms makes it a wee bit harder to wet out the fabric. You can see the three darts I had to cut in the bottom part of the fiberglass to get it to conform to the shape properly. Took a lot of tuggin & squeegeeing to get it into shape. I'll go out later and check for bubbles! :roll:

So the next step is to sand it all down, stem to stern, keel to gunnels then lay in the 0/90 fabric. Hopefully that'll go faster.

Standby.... There's a bottle of Cap'n Morgan's calling my name!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:46 am
by Cracker Larry
Standby.... There's a bottle of Cap'n Morgan's calling my name!
There is a bottle calling mine too after just reading this :help: Dang, I'm sure glad I didn't ever start one of these. I couldn't do it by myself. Yep, I'll have another drink to you :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
Standby.... There's a bottle of Cap'n Morgan's calling my name!
There is a bottle calling mine too after just reading this :help: Dang, I'm sure glad I didn't ever start one of these. I couldn't do it by myself. Yep, I'll have another drink to you :D
I'm pretty sure you could do it Larry. Half the battle is working 'neat'. You do that naturally I think! I end up doubling my time on the sander cleaning up my messes! :oops:

So as they say, no rest for the weary, hit the shed around 9'ish this morning and got to work on the box keel.

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Just a lot of sanding to clean up the 'Fiber Fangs', fabric edges & spills that ended up in the bottom of the keel. I lasted about 4 hours on the sanders till my hands gave out. Back to the grog for relief! :wink:

Web log updated with another 'Sandinsanity' video for all you sicko's out there! :lol:

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/08/retu ... anity.html

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers~!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:15 pm
by terrulian
Watched the whole thing again. :help:
I know you're wearing a mask, but how about all the prickly glass dust all over your body? I'd sure get tired of that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Watched the whole thing again. :help:
I know you're wearing a mask, but how about all the prickly glass dust all over your body? I'd sure get tired of that.
That's the beauty of the lil' fan. Hardly any itchy stuff at all. Little on my forearms that's it. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:31 am
by Cracker Larry
I would hate to even guess how much rum it would take me to build that boat. I'd be pickled before I was finished :help: I usually average about a gallon of rum per gallon of epoxy :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:.... I usually average about a gallon of rum per gallon of epoxy :lol:
Ayup, that's 'bout right! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:16 pm
by Jaysen
Wait... I hadn't thought about "build a boat" as a valid "drink more rum" causal. I've had to rely on work stress to justify my consumption. I need to make sure "reason to drink rum" is in the pro column ...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Had to take a few days off to rest the hands. They're still a bit sore but pushing through it. The Rum doesn't seem to be helping anymore! :cry:

Spent a few hours on the sanders this morning feather fabric egdes etc. to get the box keel ready for the next layer of glass.

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Much lighter material but just has hard to work with. The slightest touch and it wrinkles. No way to get it into shape until you're wetting it out and letting the squeegee get it to where you want it to go. That'll happen tomorrow.

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Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:53 am
by Corto Maltese
Ha, keel box blues :roll:
My second layer was 200g twill fg. Like silk, it wrinkles, threads tend to stuck, it loves making bubbles... Grrrrr. Easy to wet though and even easier to sand. This weekend I'm starting with 3rd layer (450g biax). Maybe I'll for first time use peel ply to avoid sanding and hurry with last ply (again 200g twill). Next week going to purchase engine.
Rick, just keep making sanding movies. They are better than Warhol's and he got rich :lol:
Cheers,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote:Ha, keel box blues :roll:
Someone should make that into a Country & Western song! :lol:
Corto Maltese wrote:My second layer was 200g twill fg. Like silk, it wrinkles, threads tend to stuck, it loves making bubbles... Grrrrr. Easy to wet though and even easier to sand. This weekend I'm starting with 3rd layer (450g biax). Maybe I'll for first time use peel ply to avoid sanding and hurry with last ply (again 200g twill). Next week going to purchase engine.
Good luck with the engine purchase. I just ordered the finishing cloth, plain weave. Last stuff I had was a 'satin weave'. It was nice to work with but yes, plenty of bubbles to be squeegeed out.
Corto Maltese wrote:Rick, just keep making sanding movies. They are better than Warhol's and he got rich :lol:
Oh I dunno if there's 'mass appeal' there Dario! 8O Maybe for a horror movie.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
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3 hours
1-1/2 gal epoxy

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Three hours of sanding is all I had in me today. Worked on the bow section and down the sides.

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That was after about 2 hours sanding. I know not much to show for 3 hrs labor. :roll: Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/peel ... nding.html

Takin' tomorrow off to go plinkin'!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:10 pm
by deuce_454
looking at your pics on the site it looks like you are using a 6 inch DA air powered sander ans your primary "first pass sander" and since you have a compressor in the shop id like to suggest getting an 8 inch rotational sander.. its what the pros use for the first pass doing bodywork and knocking down the filler.. it removes material 6-8 times faster and once you get the hang of it it leaves a really straight surface .. my buddy who taught me car paint prep called his 8 inch rotational sandet the mud hog.. and it really was a huge time saver..
alternatively you could use 8 inch velcro sanding discs on a electric polishing machine ... it seems you are spending a lot of time rough sanding non essential areas that could be spent drinking beer and enjoying a more efficient sander... just saying :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Do ya mean something like this?

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That's an 8" High Speed Spinning Wheel of Death! I use it for knocking down the fabric edges etc. I'd get an 8" air sander but I don't think my rig will produce enough air to run it. The 6" is ok for just keying the glass for the next layer. I also use the 2" flappy wheels on my die grinder on fabric edges which works really well.

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I do have an 8" car polisher but it's too much for me to hold onto with the carpal tunnel thing happening.

Thanks for the suggestion though. I'll keep my eyes open for one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:02 pm
by Fuzz
I have an 8 inch sander/polisher that spins 0-3000 RPM. With a 8 inch 3M 36 grit green disk it will flat out eat fully cured glass. You need to be fully prepared for grinding dust but it is the fastest thing I have found for rough sanding.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:13 pm
by Fuzz
I should of added that being able to run the sander at 1500 RPM or less makes it much more controllable. It seems to me that the higher RPMs tend to burn the glass and the slower speeds cut it. If the glass is not fully cured it will just gum up your disk.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:I have an 8 inch sander/polisher that spins 0-3000 RPM. With a 8 inch 3M 36 grit green disk it will flat out eat fully cured glass. You need to be fully prepared for grinding dust but it is the fastest thing I have found for rough sanding.
Fuzz
Will have to see how many 'boat units' I have left this month. Just bought fiberglass & epoxy so unlikely I can afford to get the backing pad and discs this month.

Thanks Fuzz, appreciate it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:31 pm
by Fuzz
I also use the same set up with a 6 inch pad. It does almost as good and is easier to control. Plus the pad is a little cheaper and the disks are a bunch less. Both work well for moving glass fast. sometimes too fast :help:
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:07 am
by justin_dwyer
That is a seriously big boat to sand :doh:

Looking great though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So I followed your suggestion Fuzz and broke out the 8" High Speed Spinning Wheel of Death & Destruction. I couldn't find any aggressive grit discs and had to settle for an 80 grit. It worked fine.

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I whipped across the bottom panel in about 45 mins. It's a bit of a beast to control with carpal tunnel in both hands. On the flat bottom panel I could lean on it a bit. On the vertical sides it wasn't so easy. I got the upper half of them done with the 8" and I'll finish them off this afternoon with the 6" RO.

Something in between the two would be nice if I can control it with one hand. Not looking to spend too much anymore on tools so trying to make do the best I can with what I have.

Sure produces a lotta dust in a short period of time!

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I'll get this mess cleaned up this afternoon then washed down. Fabric will get rolled out after that.

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Thanks again Fuzz.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:18 pm
by Rickk
If you can find a big flap sanding wheel for the big grinder then you have the wheel of death for sure :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote:If you can find a big flap sanding wheel for the big grinder then you have the wheel of death for sure :D
I have one. It's brutal! More like a WMD! 8O I save it for the real dirty jobs.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ready for goop tomorrow!

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That lil' piece is about 30' long and 4' wide. I'm guestimating 1-3/4 gallons of epoxy & 3-1/2 hours.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:12 am
by Knottybuoyz
Gooped!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/another-nibble.html

I'll hang the glass for the stbd side tomorrow and likely goop it on Wednesday. Once that's done it's switcheroo day moving all the stuff back to the stbd side so I can glass the port side.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:31 am
by terrulian
Right on, Rick. I never miss an episode.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Right on, Rick. I never miss an episode.
Here ya go Tony! Another exciting episode! :lol:

Hotter 'n hell here today. We had tornado warnings last night but most of the nasty stuff skirted by us to the north & south. Dodged a bullet methinks. I got out in the shed this morning with intentions of laying out the fabric for the stbd side fore to aft and glue it tomorrow. That didn't happen. I got the fabric hung up and it started 'screaming' at me to goop it! :wink: So I obliged.

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Just a bit over an hours labour and a gallon of epoxy. Done. A wee problem with the edge sticking up in places from yesterday but the ball peen hammer (thumb adjuster) fixed that up. Just have to check that the bubbles have stuck down. It's almost 100 F in the shed right now, not a wisp of a breeze either. Fans going full blast make it somewhat tolerable.

Couple more pics on the web log update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/star ... lwark.html

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Too hot to work on the boat this afternoon so I stayed in the basement and tinkered. Tried to wrangle some tiny wires for the Mimic panel I designed.

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Web log updated for a second time today! Bonus! :lol: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/bonu ... iring.html

Time for dinner. Popsicle's and ice cream! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:27 pm
by terrulian
This is an amazing project.
But...can't you just look at the switches? I think I need a further explanation.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:This is an amazing project.
But...can't you just look at the switches? I think I need a further explanation.
"Simpler is better except when complicated looks really cool!" - Author unknown :lol:

Ok ok. I'll try to explain.

I think the elec panel will go down below in the front of a drawer that'll pull out with all the electrical gizmo's in it. Got that idea from the computer server racks we had at work. So, I won't be able to see it unless I leave the wheel and go down below. So when in my preferred position (sitting on my ass) I'll be able to glance up and see what's what. There'll be an alarm on the main bilge pump so it'll have audible alarm too.

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The electric panel is pretty cool too eh? :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:53 pm
by terrulian
The electrical panel is indeed really cool, name and all.
But 'splain to me: doesn't every switch have a light, so the other panel is redundant? Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D
Does the mimic panel confirm that the running light is actually on and not just lighting up its panel switch? Please don't misunderstand; I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand every nuance of this novel, to me, innovation.
I also agree that simpler is better except when complicated looks really cool. However, I've always tried to idiot-proof my boat because I know who's sailing it, so this is a philosophy best left to better brains.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:55 pm
by Rickk
Both look very nice - good job!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:But 'splain to me: doesn't every switch have a light, so the other panel is redundant? Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D
Does the mimic panel confirm that the running light is actually on and not just lighting up its panel switch?
Switches on the main breaker panel have lights, yes. There'll be switches on the dash for the nav lights & other gizmo's, they'll likely have lights too. The slight difference is each LED on the mimic panel will be fed from the light or pump or whatever itself with a diode in the circuit that'll prevent it from being powered by any other source. So if a nav light goes out so does the corresponding LED on the mimic panel. If a bilge pump comes on and you can't hear it and you'll be able to see the LED lit with an alarm sounding. If you turn on power for the bow thruster or windlass and a breaker's blown the LED won't light up.

It's really just a reminder. You'll be able to see at a glance what's on and what's not. I'm hoping my wife will use it so that when she hears water running for 20 minutes she'll go see what's up rather than wait for me to get back to the boat before it sinks! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:23 am
by terrulian
OK, I think I get it now. If it works the way I understand it, it really is a very nice safety feature. Very sophisticated.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:OK, I think I get it now. If it works the way I understand it, it really is a very nice safety feature. Very sophisticated.
It's all still just a theory at this point! :lol:

Anywho, moving on. Hit the shed early and got the stbd side ready for more glass. A lil' sanding on the tape edges and then laid out the glass & gooped it down. About 3 hrs total and 1-1/2 gallons of epoxy. Nice 'n neat, quick 'n dirty. Got out of the shed before the heat started to build.

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Couple more pics on the blog updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/star ... layer.html

Tomorrow I'll do a lil' sanding on the stbd bow then lay out the 10 oz finishing cloth. That should go pretty quick too!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:23 pm
by SP
I am impressed with your dedication. That is a huge boat to build all by yourself.

You are starting to make it look easy though.

No doubt you will take her home to the water one day.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:44 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words SP. I appreciate them all. Yes, someday! :wink:

Took advantage of much cooler weather today and spent a total of 7 hours sanding the inside of the boat in prep for the next layers of glass.

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Sanded from stem to stern and keel bottom to bulwarks. Almost got it all done, just about a half hour left then I'll lay out the glass in the keel tomorrow and get that glued in. I don't have enough epoxy to finish the inside of the boat this year but if I skip the finishing layer for now I'll be able to get the stringers in before I have to call it quits for the year.

More pics and more of me whining on today's web blog updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/long ... -shed.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Box keel port side & bottom glassed & gooped!

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Man I'll be happy when I don't have to stick my head in there ever again!

I says; "Honey! I dropped a wrench in the bilge again!"

She says; "No friggin' way, not this time HONEY my ass. Go fish it out your own dam self!"

I says; "Hard to get good crew anymore!" :roll:

Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/keel ... layer.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:32 pm
by terrulian
Weird. Your wife doesn't enjoy bilge-diving? What's up with that?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Weird. Your wife doesn't enjoy bilge-diving? What's up with that?
I dunno. :doh: She seems to be hesitant to do the bottom cleaning in shark infested waters too! :?

:lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another good day in the boat shed. Started about 09:00 and cleaned up the fabric edges from the keel work day before yesterday. I played hookie from the boat shed yesterday. Sanded, vacuumed, wiped & laid out the fabric and it was lunch time. After a wee break got back to it. By 14:30 I was done.

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Used about 1-3/4 gallons of epoxy to wet out that strip which is about 28' long by 4' wide. Sort of found my rhythm though working with this stuff. Tomorrow the port sides. I'm not 100% positive I have enough 12 oz glass left. *fingers crossed.

Web log updated with more pics. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/port ... layer.html

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Port side second layer laid down and gooped!

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That lil' piece of fiberglass is 15' 6" long and 4' wide! It sucked up almost exactly 1 gallon of epoxy. I'm getting better at my squeegee technique.

I usually mix 1 pt of epoxy at a time but decided to give mixing a quart a shot today. It's nice and mild out, low 70's so I knew there was little chance of it kicking off in the bucket. It worked pretty well. Fewer runs to the sticky stuff machine.

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That's two quarts on and two to go.

After about an hour and 20 minutes it's all glued down. The step in the hull where the bulwarks join the hull sides is a real PITA. The wetted out glass wants to slide down the side of the hull and this leaves a 'bridge bubble' in its wake.

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I'll be on bubble watch for a few hours till the epoxy decides it wants to hold everything in place! PITA!

So the big question of the day is: Do I have 'nuff 12 oz to do the rest of the port side?

Hmmm? Well I dunno yet. We'll find out soon enough!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:44 pm
by cape man
Keep on building! You are the machine! WOW! The materials you're using are way beyond my budget.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:Keep on building! You are the machine! WOW! The materials you're using are way beyond my budget.
Me too! :lol:

'In for a penny, in for a pound' they say!

Budget schmudget! I figure at least another $10K USD should finish it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


*sigh*

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Yet another big bite outta this whale!

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I smell bad. Shower time. There's some more pics & stuff on the blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/port-sides-aft.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:29 am
by BarraMan
"Budget schmudget!"

About par for the course for building a big boat!

How do I know? :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
BarraMan wrote:"Budget schmudget!"

About par for the course for building a big boat!

How do I know? :doh:
I just put my foot down and told the ole' Girl she can't retire until she's finished paying for the boat. I haven't gotten lucky since! :lol:

Spent half of yesterday and a lil' more than half today in the shed sanding. Still have to get glass on the transom, back end of the box keel and the bow ahead of the thruster tube. Lots of overlapped fabric edges to be feathered out. I want to put an extra layer of tape along the bottom/keel join. The bottom fabrics weren't wide enough to overlap the sides and the bottom/keel join at the same time. Think I have 'nuff epoxy & off cuts left to get an extra layer of glass on the keel sides and bottom.

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Got my butt firmly wedged between the thruster tube & stem to get that pic! Pretty cool I thought! 8)

Few more pics on today's blog updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/coup ... -days.html

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:24 pm
by terrulian
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Took a day off to rest up the hands and get away from the cats & boat shed. Did some good!

This morning's adventure was a lil' sanding and they laying out some fiberglass for the transom, keel & bow section.

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Totally out of 12 oz 0/90 now so had to improvise on the bow section. Dug up some of the 33 oz triax I used on the bottom panels and filled in the bow section. That stuff is heavy & soaks up epoxy like a sponge! :lol:

More pics etc. on the blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/litt ... there.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:12 pm
by terrulian
Always fun to read, Rick.
That boat looks so solid that it is ready to be a mine-sweeper.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:10 pm
by Jim_Hbar
Lookin' good Rick!

Been checking and reading your blog everyday. Can't wait to see the progress next year!

Jim

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words fella's. Appreciate them immensely.

Got my butt kicked right and proper today! Tried to put two layers of glass & peel ply on the transom! Wet on wet they say. The 12 oz 0/90 went fine. I'm used to working with that. Next up was a 12 oz plain weave I have as a finishing layer. OMG! What a friggin' battle that was. It fought me every step of the way. It would not wet out. It would bunch up. It would bubble. It would fall off. It would wrinkle. After about an hour and a half struggling with it I finally managed to get it on half assed and the peel ply over it. I don't think it's going to be too pretty. Luckily it'll all be hidden when the boat is done! Not my best work by any stretch of the imagination.

Pics & non-Sanding video tomorrow.

I need Rum & Coke!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
I need Rum & Coke!
I'll drink one with you :D I'm with you on that dang woven cloth, it and I don't get along well either. I'd rather fair the biax than mess with that aggravating stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:00 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
I need Rum & Coke!
I'll drink one with you :D I'm with you on that dang woven cloth, it and I don't get along well either. I'd rather fair the biax than mess with that aggravating stuff.
Thanks Larry! Alcohol certainly helps! :lol:

Here's the video evidence of today's butt kickin' in the boat shed! https://youtu.be/Py3jPELZiOI

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:48 am
by terrulian
I don't see anything to apologize for with that glass work.
Always entertaining, Rick. The series will end up being one of the really great instructional videos on boat building, and a lot more realistic than most because you really show the work that it takes.
When viewing the time-lapse portions, I was put in mind of a hamster. In a good way. :lol: We just live at a slower pace, that's all. And they don't have rum.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:When viewing the time-lapse portions, I was put in mind of a hamster. In a good way. :lol: We just live at a slower pace, that's all. And they don't have rum.
That's what happens when you feed your boat shop Minions bananas!

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For those that don't know what a Minion is: http://www.minionsmovie.com/minions.html

Thanks for lookin' in terrulian. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:49 am
by MarkOrge
Great video !

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Marc. Seems I've gained about 5 new subscribers to the Youtube channel! 8)

Today I reluctantly hauled my butt into the boat to see the results of yesterday's glass session. Yanked off the peel ply and......

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Not too bad. A few small bubbles. In places it looks dry but when you get closer it really isn't. I'm wondering if there was some treatment or sizing on the cloth that turned white when the epoxy hit it. A contaminant maybe.

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Spent the rest of the morning splicing the starboard aft sections of stringers together.

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Will load these up in the boat tomorrow. They're heavy! 8O

Few more pics & nonsense on the blog update today. http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/tran ... ngers.html

Thanks for lookin' in!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:33 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looking good Rick!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:43 pm
by terrulian
I ran into some of that white business in the weave. I have no idea what it is.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:52 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looks like some of mine when the epoxy "foamed up". I change the rollers more regularly now.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:08 am
by colinhart
I bought a load of tape that did not go totally clear when wetted out and the supplier assured me that is was okay and still as strong and he did give me some more tape that did go clear as I wasnt convinced. I suppose it was probally okay as the reason it goes clear is the epoxy changes the mattings refractive index and if the chemical make up of coating on the matting is slightly different this could be the cause

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Probably the silliest thing you'll see on the ole' Interwebs today.

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Some of you may have already seen this on Facebook this morning. I hit an area with the router where I spliced the two sections of stringer together and there was a lot of epoxy glue that oozed out. I got showered in schmutz!

Go ahead let me have it! I can take all your jokes! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:19 pm
by terrulian
Probably the silliest thing you'll see on the ole' Interwebs today.
You look pretty ridiculous but still, I think you're flattering yourself cuz the web is full of entrants from all around the globe...although, to be truthful, nothing competitive comes to mind at this moment.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Got my head back in the bilge again. Today's chore was to put an extra layer of tape along the bottom/keel join.

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Nothing spectacular but a few more pics on the blog update today: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/play ... ch-up.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:27 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick,

Thanks for Your video on another threat where You show me nicely how to apply epoxy and use of peelply and the squeegee . I am sure I get it right.

I have a question how much epoxy did you mix because I see You are using a big roller and a plastic tray like painters use ?

I have not dared to mix more than 450 grams because I am worried it will set. ( My epoxy sets after 30 minutes )
And I am soon to start the first big areas of the boat.

Or were you using specially slow hardener and therefore You could mix a painters tray full of epoxy and use it over a whole hour to do the whole side of Your boat ?

Greetings from Karl ( Austria )

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
gonandkarl wrote:Or were you using specially slow hardener and therefore You could mix a painters tray full of epoxy and use it over a whole hour to do the whole side of Your boat ?
Hi Karl. Thanks for looking in.

I use the marinepoxy slow hardener sold by bateau.com. In 25C temps you have about 20-25 mins to get the epoxy out of the tray and onto the fiberglass. I usually mix up about 500-600 ml at a time. When it's cooler I have mixed a litre with no problems but if you get hung up on something you might lose part of the batch. I generally only use the painters tray on the vertical sides where I can't pour the epoxy directly onto the glass. On a horizontal surface I pour the epoxy on and roll or squeegee it out.

Good luck with your project.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
Quick update.

The Stringers are technically 'in the boat'. Not installed but definitely 'in the boat'! Yesterday was a repeat of the day before. I taped the bottom/keel join & the very back end of the box keel. Ended up with a big bubble in the most inaccessible place possible. Right at the bottom at the very back of the keel. :roll:

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I used the electric hoist to lift them in. They're about 80 lbs each. I could have humped them up the ladder but why bother when you have the equipment to do it for you!

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Grinder Time!

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
There be stringers here! Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/ther ... -here.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:56 pm
by terrulian
Rick, I don't think you need to apologize for going slow!! You're getting an amazing amount of work done every day :D while I'm just sitting here looking at stuff. :roll: :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Rick, I don't think you need to apologize for going slow!! You're getting an amazing amount of work done every day :D while I'm just sitting here looking at stuff. :roll: :doh:
Thanks terrulian. I did my fair share of 'lookin' at stuff' before I started and will likely do more when I'm finished! 8) We all have our roles to play in this great adventure. Your kind words & encouragement go a long way to keeping the enthusiasm for the project alive!

So today's tasks in the shed were fixing a bubble, aligning some stringers and setting some frame/bulkheads in place. Lot of naval gazin' went on with plenty of ponderin' too!

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Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/bubb ... heads.html

Sanding day & possibly bedding the stringers (aft section) tomorrow.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:18 pm
by SP
It is going to be exciting watching the interior come together.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:14 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick...finally some bits & pieces getting glued :D Good going ! Wrapped the boat this weekend sadly but doing work on components inside while it's still warm. Keep going at it while you can.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:18 am
by Cracker Larry
Serious progress 8) Dang, not sure how you keep the momentum going but it looks great.

I guess it will be snowing up there soon and you'll take a winter break?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for looking in fella's.

Like Marc said Larry, he's wrapped up his boat already. The leaves are changing and it dips into the 40's at night now. I figure I have a couple more weeks then I'll be out of materials & peso's. Looking to go back to work for the CG in Nov/Dec for 8 weeks to refill the building kitty.

I don't know how I do it either. Just resolved to the fact nobody else is going to do it for me. Had a slow start to the project this spring and didn't hit my stride till August. That's the way it goes I guess. I've got some small winter projects lined up to keep busy with.

I'll be right here with terrulian watchin' all the fella's in the warmer climates put their boats together this winter. :wink:

Cheers!

PS. Oh yeah, there will be some Rum & Tequila drank on the beach in Mexico this winter! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:26 am
by Knottybuoyz
Morning briefing.

The stringers, like everything else, want to slide down the hull into the keel. With every step I take in the boat they work their way downwards and away from the transom. So this morning I lined them up again and am welding them to the bottom.

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Using slow hardener on a cool day so it'll be awhile before I go and put some tape on them. Once this cures up I'll be able to move around the boat without worrying about the stringers migrating to the bilge.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:21 pm
by Fuzz
Rick I am sure you have already thought of this but if it were me I would put some plywood down in the bottom for now. Sure makes things better when you are not trying to walk on a slant all day long. That is one thing I could never get used to on a blow-boat.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:14 pm
by blueflood
Even better when the decks or parts of decks are installed once and for all. Some place flat to lay tools, supplies, small work table, drawings, brewskie and a human body without sliding in the pits of hell :lol: And...to nap and ponder the next move.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Once I get these stringers bedded & taped I have some planks & plywood to put down. It'll be a relief to not have to chase my empty beer cans into the bilge anymore! :lol:

Don't think I'm going to get much more done this year. Stuff keeps popping up and getting in my way.

Thanks Fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Back into the shed after some family business & nasty weather got in the way. Mixed up some goop and bedded the aft section of the stringers in place. This is really hard on my hands mixing glue so I pulled the ole' Lady's hand mixer out of the kitchen and whipped up a few batches! :wink:

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After some putzin' around I managed to get the aft section of the stringers bedded, filleted and taped (just one layer before my hands gave out).

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Fillets turned out pretty good this time. I used a cut up bondo squeegee.

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A few more pics & such on the blog update today: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2015/10/bedd ... ngers.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:35 pm
by terrulian
Ummm, how does the ole' lady feel about this use of the mixer?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:02 pm
by sds
terrulian wrote:Ummm, how does the ole' lady feel about this use of the mixer?
More like, how does the ole' lady like her *new* mixer?

edit: .. and box of chocolates.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:54 pm
by Cracker Larry
Mine still hasn't got over me using her flour sifter for graphite :help: She doesn't like the replacement either. Oh well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:36 pm
by gtcoupe
They'll forgive a lot if you make 'em dinner for a week. Thats how I got outta the doghouse for using her sewing scissors for cutting fiberglass and getting epoxy all over them. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:32 am
by Fuzz
gtcoupe wrote:They'll forgive a lot if you make 'em dinner for a week. Thats how I got outta the doghouse for using her sewing scissors for cutting fiberglass and getting epoxy all over them. :oops:
That all depends on how well you cook. If I had to eat my cooking for a week I would be mad at myself :x
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The rumours of my early demise at the hands a an infuriated 'Kitchen Gadgetista' are over exaggerated! :lol: I had you guys going there didn't I? That is a $1 yard sale mixer the ole' Lady picked up for me a few years ago. We've burnt out 2 or 3 so far mixing glue. See the ole' Woman and I have an arrangement. She doesn't mess with my power tools and I don't mess with her kitchen gadgets! She has in fact, similar to what happened to CL, inherited a flour sifter from my boat shed. I bought one, the only one I could find at the time, A 'Cake Boss' sifter for which I paid way too much money for and it's a piece of crap. Anywho, it wouldn't sift wood flour so she got it for her kitchen.

But I have been down for the count for almost 3 days. Inner ear infection. Right side deaf as a post. Tinnitus and pain. On antibiotics now. Shouldn't take too long to clear that up. Managed to haul my butt out to the shed today before the winds kick up. Didn't really feel like crawling around the bottom of the boat finishing the bedding & fillets for the stringers so I decided to lay out a layer of glass on the two aft bulkheads.

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These are just offcuts laying around and I had planned to use them for just this purpose. The two aft bulkheads being solid won't hurt from being totally enclosed in glass.

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Plenty of neat epoxy rolled on and soaked up by these panels.

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Gooped & peel plied. They look a little dry. Dunno why. I dumped extra epoxy on there and squeegeed them well. Gotta keep my eye on them. I did lift the peel ply and the glass underneath is thoroughly soaked through. Could just be that cheap peel ply. I'll be glad when it's gone.

Tomorrow I'll flip those panels over and do the other side.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
Brought the epoxy in from the shed yesterday. So I guess with the exception of some tinkering here and there I'm done for the season. Thanks to everybody that looked in on this thread. Appreciate the comments for sure. I got done pretty much what I figured I'd be able to get done so I'm happy.

See y'all in the spring!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:28 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

That's all she wrote :roll: Yeah, tough break again. Just doing the last of the running around to get all the tools and gear back home. Some boat parts window shopping and some planning but not much else. At least you have CCG for a while, that will keep you busy and stash more greens in the mattress. Enjoy your time off Rick; spring will come around - sometime :help: :roll:

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:08 am
by Cracker Larry
Rick, I think you got an incredible amount of work done for one man alone. You probably need the break anyway.

It's a beautiful 85 degrees in Georgia today. Just now starting to cool down a little bit. Supposed to be 75 tomorrow, that's almost fire place weather for me :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
We had white sh*t falling from the sky yesterday. High temp was 27 F! Brrrrrrr!

Hard to think that 'season 5' is now over and still working on the hull.

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Back to work in 2 weeks to refill the project kitty. Hopefully there'll much more progress next year.

Stand down.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:26 am
by blueflood
Already stood down Rick :lol: Just got back from the lake with all the remaining paint, tools and epoxy. Done for good this year. :roll: Frost all over this morning, water pail had 1/2" of ice on top and had to scrape the stuff off the car windows. Crap...I think I will volunteer my time with Aurator, wherever he is :P

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Toughing out the cold Canadian winter on the beach in Mexico! :-)

Just checking in to see what's been going on.

Just dropped a big pile of Canadian pesos on a prop shaft and working on a list of spares fir the engine overhaul.

Have to go back to work in April for 7 weeks so will likely be a late start to boat building season for me. :-(

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:09 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Toughing out the Canadian winter ? What Canadian winter :lol: Gotta sorta kinda love global warming :D
...caveat; as long as it does not affect boating :lol:

Enjoy your time !

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:01 am
by Joe H
And El Nino's, but Mexico sounds great right now, I was worried about getting out into the garage without my heater this winter, gas line ruptured, and working on my V10 but so far a space heater has been enough to take the chill out, I like winters but I'll have to admit I haven't missed all the cold and snow this year.

Oh yeah, with the Canadian $$ being what it is a better get over the border and get my Canadian fishing licence now.

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:25 am
by terrulian
Rick, good to hear from you. Looking forward to the resumption of the build and your excellent documentation.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So, I'm back in the land of the Great Unthawed! :lol: I guess -3C isn't bad considering it was -40C/F last week! I also hear we missed a dump of the white stuff, 50 CM or about 2 feet of the crap! My back is glad I didn't have to shovel that mess!

Sad to think but this time day before yesterday I was sitting on the patio overlooking the beach sipping on a Tequila Sunrise and trying not to think of having to go home.

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So back to reality! :cry: I picked up the prop shaft from UPS today. It "Just" fit in my jeep! An inch longer and I would have had to hang it out the window! That lil' unit cost me $500 USD or about $1000 Cdn Pesos with taxes, shipping, handling etc. Sort have to have one though right?

Going to scrap the aluminum skeg idea and go with stainless channel like Peter did.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:54 am
by colinhart
Nice to see you back Rick missed your posts

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:51 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

I will try to drop by this summer to see the beast if you have time 8O

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:I will try to drop by this summer to see the beast if you have time 8O
Hey Marc

Be prepared to be put to work! Hah! I'll get a late start this year, June 1st. likely. After that I'll be home working on the boat every day.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Nice to see you back Rick missed your posts
Hey Colin.

Thanks. Been nice seeing you make progress as well. I check in pretty much every day but just don't have anything to say! :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:00 am
by blueflood
Knottybuoyz wrote:Be prepared to be put to work! Hah!
Pffft I have my own boat to build :lol: yikes, June 1st takes a big bite out of the season :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote:Pffft I have my own boat to build :lol: yikes, June 1st takes a big bite out of the season :(
I wouldn't really make you work. Well, fetch refreshments or something! :lol:

Yeah, got another contract that runs April 11th till end of May. Need the pesos to help finish this tub! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just updated the blog with a lil' info and pics on my Python Drive issue I mentioned last fall.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/02/earl ... -post.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:05 pm
by jacquesmm
Interesting story about the drive shaft. I am familiar with Aqua Drive but not Python.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote:Interesting story about the drive shaft. I am familiar with Aqua Drive but not Python.
If I'm not mistaken, Peter put a Python Drive in his TW28.

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I finished up reassembling my drive with the extended shaft. Details in the blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/03/driv ... sions.html

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The whole Python Drive unit with the extended shaft turned out to be exactly 40 1/2". The extension to the hull was 39 1/8". I forgot about the thickness of the output shaft adapter. I should still be Ok though, I can shorted the prop shaft if necessary.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:52 pm
by Fuzz
I know that an aqua-drive needs a little mis-alinement but not sure how much. How much will the Python handle? I do know it will sure make engine alinement much easier.
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I just happen to have that info Fuzz.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:09 am
by TheBroomside
Rick wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Peter put a Python Drive in his TW28.
Yes.
Do not forget there needs to be a minimum angle for the CV joints too (1°, preferably 2°).
The critical part in our hands is the internal clamp holding the shaft in the thrust-bearing. Ours did get loose after 300 hr. We have to replace the clamp, which is no big deal. But it would be nice to understand why this happened, we have no idea. We thought we did follow the instructions closely.
Except for this hick-up, the drive performed well.

Enjoy next building season.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:36 am
by Fuzz
Thanks for the info Rick,
So if I am reading this correctly if your engine will turn 3600 and you have a 3-1 reduction gear you can run up to 8 degree of misalinement? I am guessing they have them in different sizes for higher power rating?
Fuzz

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: So if I am reading this correctly if your engine will turn 3600 and you have a 3-1 reduction gear you can run up to 8 degree of misalinement?
I'd think, based on the chart, 7 degs. I can go 7 degs with my setup but will set it at 4 to see how it goes. My engine will be almost dead nuts level.
Fuzz wrote:I am guessing they have them in different sizes for higher power rating?
Yes they do. Up to 950 HP. http://www.pythondrive.com/

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:51 am
by jacquesmm
Some of you may know it but I owned a boat yard that specialized in repowering diesel inboards.
Those CV joint drives are not only used to change engine location and shaft angle but I often recommended them even when there was no problem with the shaft.
The system has several advantages.
The thrust of the engine goes to a thrust bearing bolted to a floor frame instead of pushing on rubber mounts on engine beds.
This allows the use of softer mounts and isolate the engine vibrations. It is much quieter. Alignement with rubber mounts changes when the boat rolls and this puts wear on the transmission but not with a CV drive.
Less wear on shaft bearings, less wear on gear box, quieter engine.
It cost a little more but is worth it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm Back! Did you miss me?

I've been slacking a bit. Finished up my contract with the gubment at the end of last month. Here is is 11 days later and I'm finally back at work on the boat. I've gathered up all the materials for the rudder to be assembled, like Peter's Luka rudder. Local machine/fab shop will do that this summer. I have all the driveline components too so they'll start going in soon.

Leveled up the boat and started back at the stringer puzzle.

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More details & pics on today's blog update: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/i-ad ... ackin.html

Ahhhhhhhhh it's good to be back at it!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:29 pm
by terrulian
Of course we missed you.
:D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:29 pm
by glossieblack
And the tongue in cheek reports! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:34 pm
by Cracker Larry
I missed you. Hope I live long enough to see you finish that boat :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:I missed you. Hope I live long enough to see you finish that boat :D
Yeah. Me too CL! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Easing myself back into this. Web log updated: http://she-kon.com/2016/06/easing-myself-into-this.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
You know you're making progress when you start drilling holes in the hull! :lol:

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ACME Holes. Web log updated: http://she-kon.com//2016/06/acme-holes.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rearranging Inventory. Web log updated: http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/rear ... ntory.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:59 pm
by terrulian
Cool, Rick.
I probably missed something but is this the engine off another boat? Why was it sitting around so long?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Cool, Rick.
I probably missed something but is this the engine off another boat? Why was it sitting around so long?
Yeah it's an old one. Yanmar 4JH-TE. Think they were last produced in 1989 or so. We got it out of a racing yacht in Rhode Island that was being scrapped. The engine supposedly only has 600 hrs on it. It was a bargain so I went for it. $3K off eBay.

We started buying stuff for this project years before I actually started it. My basement & garden shed are full of stuff. Tanks, pumps, seats, toilet, sinks yadda yadda yadda.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:14 pm
by terrulian
Good find on the engine. They are pricey, and you're right on the low hours.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:03 pm
by Cracker Larry
600 hours on a good diesel, it isn't even broke in good yet.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
I huff'd and I puff'd but I whipped that ole' hunk of iron into submission! :lol:

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Actually my little 2500 lb winch did most of the work getting it up the ramp without breaking a sweat! :oops:

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It'll get serviced next week then I'll spruce it up a bit with some new paint and it'll be ready to go in the boat. Got a lot of stuff to do before that but hopefully week after next I can hoist it up and drop it on the engine beds.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:48 pm
by ks8
:)

1989... old... wasn't that just a month ago??? time do fly....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:26 pm
by colinhart
Nice to see you back mate

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Nice to see you back mate
Thanks Colin! :wink:

Life seems to get in the way of building a boat on occasion. Been a couple days of nonsense before I could get back to work. Nice cool day in the shed so I bedded some of the stringers and laid down some fillets for taping.

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I'd probably still be out there doing more but I somehow managed to glue my shorts to my ass. :doh:

Few more pics on the web log update: http://she-kon.com/2016/06/bedding-fillets-tape.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:21 pm
by Eric1
Don't feel bad, A friend of mine was working with Superglue when his cell phones rang. He takes the call, talks for 5 minutes and goes to hang up only to find he had glued the phone to his face!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 am
by Knottybuoyz
Picked up a Canon Sureshot off of Facebook for $50 with intent to use it in the boat shed. As it turned out it's a pretty nice camera. Gave it a go this morning.

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Using fill flash it almost totally eliminates the 'Blue Hue' of the cell phone pics! :D

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:21 am
by cape man
Using fill flash it almost totally eliminates the 'Blue Hue' of the cell phone pics!
But I LOVE the blue pics! Reminds me of you building that "shed" every time I see your pics!

By the way. Love that engine!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:
Using fill flash it almost totally eliminates the 'Blue Hue' of the cell phone pics!
But I LOVE the blue pics! Reminds me of you building that "shed" every time I see your pics!

By the way. Love that engine!
Thanks CM. I'm color blind so the blue hue doesn't bother me that much!! :lol: I've had others complain. It is what it is.

Mechanic who's working on the engine says it's a good one. They have the same engine in their work barge and it's got 15,000 hrs on it. :D

Ya know how life often seems to get in the way of boat building? Well I've had a messed up two days. Started off yesterday to cross the border in to NY to pick up my new engine mounts. Almost to the bridge when the oil pressure disappears in my old IROC. Fack! Hauled it over and called the tow truck.

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Notice the big smile on Bill the Tow Truck guy's face? :roll:

Luckily it was only a pooched oil pressure sender. The engine wasn't in any danger. Better safe than sorry.

Anywho, more misadventures in today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/lif ... lties.html

Back at it again tomorrow, if something else doesn't screw me up again.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Pretty warm in the ole' boat shed today but I managed to get a little work done.

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Fabricated the small bulkhead that'll support the shaft tube. Planned in some adjustment so I can fine tune the driveline angles before I glue anything in place. Will do that when the engine comes back from service and I can set it on the engine beds.

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/lit ... ation.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:33 pm
by Fuzz
Making progress now!
When you set the stern end of the shaft log please take and post many pictures. I am interested to see how you go about that part.
Thanks, David

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Making progress now!
When you set the stern end of the shaft log please take and post many pictures. I am interested to see how you go about that part.
Thanks for looking in David. I'm interested too! :? If anyone's got the proper way to do it I'd be glad to see it being done. My first inclination is to just jamb it in the hole and glue the crap out of it. I have to mate the stern bearing carrier to the shaft log with a marelon fitting. It's got to be lined up perfectly and I'm not sure exactly how to do that.

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Will have to make a wedge for the outside of the keel to match the shaft angle & carrier flange. That part shouldn't be too hard. Just lay up glass till I get to the correct angle.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Stinky hot in the boat shed today. Managed to put some glass on the opposite side of the shaft tube support.
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Also added a 'tail stock' to my engine mockup thingy to sho were the output flange will be.
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Hoping that will help visualize how the components come together. It's looking like it'll be a lot tighter than I though and I might have to move the shaft tube support back another inch. Not totally sure but I might run into problems with assembling all the components for the shaft seal and python drive if I only leave an inch of shaft showing.

Just waiting for the shade to hit the backside of the shed so we can do some roof repairs.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I had to assemble the drive train components so that I could see how it's all going to fit into the boat. I was puzzled until I actually saw all the pieces assembled.
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I think some people can think in 3D and transferring info from a 2D drawing to the real world is a talent. A talent I don't have. My drafting teacher in college thought I was especially untalented in this regard! :lol:

Anywho, got the parts in and it's pretty much clear as mud! :wink:

Web log udpated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/in- ... s-eye.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:29 pm
by cape man
slow and steady wins this race! Looking good!

Glad to see it was just the gauge in the IROC. Dated a girl with one of those once...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Someone suggested a TENS device awhile ago for the carpal tunnel. I picked one up off of FleaBay and have been using it on my back, knee & wrists. What an amazing little device! Used it this morning for 3 x 15 min sessions and the pain in my back was gone! It seems to last for days too!

Anywho, it let me jump around the boat this morning like a mad Roo on crack! :lol:

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Mocked up the engine beds and will glue them in place tomorrow. Off to pick up my Jeep that's been in the shop for 3 days getting a new clutch! *sigh*

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/06/ten ... ating.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:56 pm
by terrulian
Rick,
Great news on the back. I had to Google TENS and in the article I learned it was "contraindicated transcerebrally" and I'm pretty sure that means don't put it on your head. Seems like it would be worth a try, though 8O

Glad you explained about rounding over the engine beds. I thought you were just showing off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Great news on the back. I had to Google TENS and in the article I learned it was "contraindicated transcerebrally" and I'm pretty sure that means don't put it on your head. Seems like it would be worth a try, though 8O
The wife says if I spend any more money on boat stuff she's gonna hook it to my gronicles! 8O
terrulian wrote:Glad you explained about rounding over the engine beds. I thought you were just showing off.
You know me, I never show off! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Not my best work but there it is, glued & screwed (temporary) in!

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Bedded it in plenty of epoxy glue and used a notched trowel just like they do on tiles. Worked well but squeezed out a lot of the glue when I pushed the pieces into place. Oh well a quick go over with the sander will clean that up!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got port side engine bed glued & screwed (temporary) into place this morning. Was going to do some more sanding but I keep getting the uncured glue all over myself. :-(

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Going on a hunt to find a 12' step ladder so I can install a pair of ceiling fans in the shed.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:10 pm
by wegcagle
Lookin good Rick. Man, that's one heckuva project you got going on there 8O, but you're making it look like a piece of cake.

Will

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
wegcagle wrote:Lookin good Rick. Man, that's one heckuva project you got going on there 8O, but you're making it look like a piece of cake.
Thanks Will.

Slow & steady. I'm still too used to gubment work! :lol: And we're not on any sort of schedule.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
Finally got all the pieces of the puzzle together to get my ceiling fans up in the boat shed.

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They make quite a bit of difference! :D

Other nonsense on the web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/thar-she-blows.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:12 pm
by terrulian
That is a meal fitting for the 4th. A similar approach at my place: hot dogs, baked beans, and apple pie.
I bet putting up those fans was a bit scary on a 12 ft. ladder.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:That is a meal fitting for the 4th. A similar approach at my place: hot dogs, baked beans, and apple pie.
I bet putting up those fans was a bit scary on a 12 ft. ladder.
Actually it was really solid. Much more so than the 'Tower of Pain & Suffering' I build when we put the shed together. I'm not much for heights but it was all good! Best $50 I ever spent. The wife was standing by with the phone in case she had to call 911 (again). :lol:

The Tower of Pain & Suffering

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:51 pm
by terrulian
I never liked heights, and even though I've worked on the top of quite a few masts in my day, I never could say I liked it.
Now that I am in my dotage and can't remember my name, I am for some reason even more aware of heights and my dislike for them. You know what they say, when you lose the use of one sense, or in my case several, your awareness of another increases. 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:I never liked heights, and even though I've worked on the top of quite a few masts in my day, I never could say I liked it.
Now that I am in my dotage and can't remember my name, I am for some reason even more aware of heights and my dislike for them. You know what they say, when you lose the use of one sense, or in my case several, your awareness of another increases. 8O
I think as we get older, besides loosing most of our faculties, we become more aware of our own mortality and take fewer risks, not wanting to tempt fate any more than usual! :roll:

Was never good at heights and even more so since I fell and messed up my knee. Knocked myself senseless a few times on boats and on this build that's for sure.

Anywho, puttering around on the boat today.

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Fans are working really well. It's 30 C in the shade today and very tolerable in the shed. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Still moving in 'a direction' albeit in Slow-Mo-Shun! :lol:

Tinkered around with a few things the last few days in between thunder storms, heat & humidity. Engine beds have first layer of glass on them and I've brought a couple of the bulkheads aboard to begin to get them aligned for glue & tape.

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/slow-mo-shun.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:54 pm
by terrulian
Sorry to hear about the cat, Rick, but she will live on in many adventures on the boat.

When planning the anchor locker, check the instructions on your windlass. It is very common, even on production boats, to see improper lockers that prevent the windlass from working properly. The issue is the distance from the windlass to the bottom of the locker. If the locker is not deep enough, the chain will pile up too soon, and the windlass needs to have the weight of the chain to pull it smoothly through the gypsy all the way up. It's a pain in the ass if the weight/drop isn't sufficient. On more than one boat (but not mine!) I've see that someone has to use some kind of stick to shove the chain around in the locker so that everything doesn't jam while hauling up the anchor.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words Tony. She was a good cat.

Also a good point on the chain fall. I'll check on that.

Around here anchor line will likely be 30' of chain and then rode. Maybe later when we head south I'll get all chain rode.

I think I'm going to flush the foredeck which will add another 8" fall into the locker.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:42 pm
by terrulian
Sounds like you've got a good setup, and even if you go with mostly nylon for now, it's good to design a system that will work for chain if you want to do that later :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spent a lot of time hmmmm'ing & hawing today. Bulkheads A & B that you've seen I tried to get lined up by the marks I put on the hull when the thing was upside down on the strongback. Didn't exactly seem to work out quite right and I know why. It was something that happened waaaaaaaaaay back when I assembled the panels. Anywho.....

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Had to yank bulkhead E out of the pile and cut it in half so I can install it in the boat first. I'm positive of the position it'll go in the boat and once I get it plumb & squared away I can take my measurements of of it for the remainder of the bulkheads.

Web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/hmmmmmmm.html

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spent most of the morning wrestling with the main bulkhead, E, getting it into place, trimmed for fit etc.

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Ran out of Jigsaw blades so it's a supply run this afternoon. Mercury is supposed to jump into the mid 30's C with humidex!

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/fighting-dirty.html

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:10 pm
by SP
I have a feeling the basic interior work/putting in bulkheads is going to go pretty quick.

Should be a big boost when you get a lot of new structure to look at.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:30 pm
by terrulian
I guess you cut it in half because it was not maneuverable fully put together?
However, won't the 1/2 bulkhead make it easier to get around the boat?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:I guess you cut it in half because it was not maneuverable fully put together?
However, won't the 1/2 bulkhead make it easier to get around the boat?
Correct on both accounts. I wasn't quite as smart as I thought I was way back when I glued them all together. :roll:

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Back in the shed for a few hours today. Lined up bulkhead E and prepped it for some quick tabs tomorrow. Today's web log update also includes a Season 6 Premiere Youtube video! 8O

https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/the ... blood.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I have a question regarding the bulkhead to hull join.

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Do I need an air gap here, to be bedded like the stringers, so that the ply bulkhead doesn't actually hit the side or the bottom of the hull? I see in the building manual it shows a pad against the hull for foam cores but nothing on plywood. It's been suggested to me that I need to have this gap to prevent hard contact between the bulkhead and hull.

Anybody help?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:38 pm
by terrulian
This is Jacques' territory but I'm pretty sure he'll say yes, to prevent a hard spot on the hull. But please do not take my word for it. Maybe post it in the technical section under plans and building, power boats.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:This is Jacques' territory but I'm pretty sure he'll say yes, to prevent a hard spot on the hull. But please do not take my word for it. Maybe post it in the technical section under plans and building, power boats.
Thanks. Just did that. Maybe he'll see it.

From what I've found googling around it's going to be a yes. Options are balsa, foam any other?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:47 pm
by terrulian
Again, you need Jacques on this...Jacques, where are you?
But I think that "gap" will actually be filled with goop while you're making your fillets. I think the idea is simply that you want to spread out the force over a wider area than 1/2" or however thick your bulkhead is. Otherwise, over time, you may see a line in the hull from the exterior if you have a shiny paint job and you look close from the right angle. That wouldn't be the end of the world but if you're putting this Herculean amount of effort in the project, this isn't much of a further hassle.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Again, you need Jacques on this...Jacques, where are you?
But I think that "gap" will actually be filled with goop while you're making your fillets. I think the idea is simply that you want to spread out the force over a wider area than 1/2" or however thick your bulkhead is. Otherwise, over time, you may see a line in the hull from the exterior if you have a shiny paint job and you look close from the right angle. That wouldn't be the end of the world but if you're putting this Herculean amount of effort in the project, this isn't much of a further hassle.
I'm going to use about a 1/4" of high density PVC foam to fill the space then make my fillets. A lot of info on the web about it, some showing foam filler, some balsa, some air gap. The stringers are bedded in epoxy goop. The fillets are huge so the load is well spread out especially where the engine beds are.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:21 pm
by BarraMan
He's how I did it - for what its worth.

I marked out the position of the bulkhead, and then got some little plastic spacers for laying ceramic tiles an spot glued a few of them with hot glue at intervals along the side and bottom panels so that the bulkheads were sitting off the panels about 1/8". Then I glued the bulkheads in place bedded into a bead of epoxy/woodflour. When that was dry I pulled the spacers out with a pair of pliers (the epoxy/woodflour glue wont stick to the plastic) and forced some glue into the gaps. I then filleted and taped as per normal.

End result is that the bulkheads are bedded into a bead of epoxy/woodflour glue about 1/8" off the side and bottom panels - with no "hard" spots!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
BarraMan wrote:He's how I did it - for what its worth.
Worth a million bucks BarraMan! Thanks!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
Main bulkhead tabbed in. I'll finish it up today. I left about a 3/16" gap all around so the bulkhead isn't touching the hull.

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Updated the web log. There's another video but it's looooooong! I mysteriously turned into a Chatty Cathy for some reason! :doh:

https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/ordinary-day.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:26 am
by Eric1
Epoxy and Pink Floyd! Wish you were here is my favorite album too!!! Nice work my friend. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:23 am
by terrulian
Rick,
I admit I didn't watch every minute, but quite a bit. Can you explain your epoxy mixing system? At about 26 minutes you're mixing it in a cup like us normal humans but earlier when you add it to the wood flour/cabosil/microbaloon mix, you seem to just add it without mixing. Did I miss something? I'm sure you explained this somewhere so my apologies if you have to repeat it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Rick,
I admit I didn't watch every minute, but quite a bit. Can you explain your epoxy mixing system? At about 26 minutes you're mixing it in a cup like us normal humans but earlier when you add it to the wood flour/cabosil/microbaloon mix, you seem to just add it without mixing. Did I miss something? I'm sure you explained this somewhere so my apologies if you have to repeat it.
The Stickystuff dispenser meters out the proper mix. I've never pre-mixed epoxy that I've put in woodflour etc. to make glue. Mixing it all together at the same time seems to work just as well. It's quicker and I've never had a failure yet. I can, and have the static mixing nozzles for the dispenser that will mix the two parts but don't use those for small batches. They're a little spendy!

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Great question. Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:48 pm
by terrulian
I always wondered about that. Very interesting that you mix the fillers and resin/hardener at the same time and don't have a problem. I always have mixed the epoxy first and then added fillers. Been doing it that way for decades, and totally wasting my time!! Think of all the great things I could have done if I hadn't been ignorant of that shortcut! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:I always wondered about that. Very interesting that you mix the fillers and resin/hardener at the same time and don't have a problem. I always have mixed the epoxy first and then added fillers. Been doing it that way for decades, and totally wasting my time!! Think of all the great things I could have done if I hadn't been ignorant of that shortcut! :D
The wife buys me electric hand mixers at yard sales for $1 each! I've burnt up about half a dozen so far. Use them on large batches of goop! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Took a few days off and went on a lil' road trip to Syracuse NY with the Admiral. She was all hot to trot to get into Hobby Lobby and buy buy buy stuff! I went along if I was allowed in Harbor Freight Tools unsupervised and with no limit on my Credit Card! :lol:

Part of the haul from HF.
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This lil' trip is usually an annual pilgrimage but it's been a few since we last made the drive. I like their stuff. It's 'good 'nuff' to last the duration of my project.

Back in the shed today. Got the forward edge of the main bulkhead filleted and taped (2 layers so far). Gotta check the instructions to see how many are recommended. I'll add at least 1 more 12 oz 8" tape.
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And the stbd side.
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It was 32C (90F) in the shed but with all the fans going it was actually pretty comfortable. Had to work quick though, I could feel the epoxy warming up quick in the cup!

Back at it again tomorrow.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Main bulkhead's all filleted and taped. It ain't goin' nowhere now! :lol: Four hrs in the shed today before it got too warm and I had to call it quits. I was on a bit of a roll!
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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/mai ... taped.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:15 pm
by Rickk
Where are you moving your pictures to :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:51 pm
by terrulian
Never heard of that basalt stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote:Where are you moving your pictures to :doh:
Are they not showing up? They're on Photobucket, always have been.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Never heard of that basalt stuff.
It's been around for awhile. Not very common in NA. I got mine from a catamaran builder in South Africa. Oh boy is it very very nice stuff but at almost the price of carbon fiber. :? If you think about it, fiberglass is spun glass and basalt comes from volcano's and forms volcanic glass!

http://basalt-fabric.com/

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
Too hot in the shed and had to bail about 11:00 when it was 34C or about 95F. Did manage to get the port side engine bed covered in basalt fabric. That's done now.
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Really really like that basalt. Wish I had a lot more of it. It wets out very easily, drapes and conforms to all kinds of odd shapes. And that's a fairly heavy fabric too at 22 oz/sq yd.

Anywho, bit more nonsense on the web log updated today: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/tem ... ising.html

Here's the link to the Photobucket folder with all the boat pics: http://s237.photobucket.com/user/Knotty ... t=3&page=1

Time to take the ole' rust bucket for a cruise!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Feel the Itch and Sand it Anyways! :lol:

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Cleaning up some of the detritus from this weeks bulkhead tabbing sessions!

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Even hotter in the shed today. 37C at 14:00 hrs when I bailed. Epoxy was kicking off in the cup before I could get it on. Did manage to get the box keel section final tape in place on the engine compartment side.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:17 pm
by Mhopper
I feel your pain! Last week i was working in my shop. By lunch time even small batches were heating up and curing in the cup before I could use it all. It was 78 degrees in the morning when I started. I checked the thermometer at lunchtime and it was 110.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:18 pm
by Mhopper
Of course that is Fahrenheit . Lol

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:02 pm
by willg
It's about as hot as nasty as it gets around here. Makes boat work sweaty business. I was born in Texas and throughout my young life never thought I'd leave. By my college years the weather started getting to me. A few years later my wife and I moved the family to the northern rockies, where we didn't even have an AC in the house (could have used one in July and August). Had a nice run in Missoula, MT, but now find myself back in SE Texas. Did I mention that it's as hot and nasty as it gets around here?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
Gonna be another hot one today. Up to 40C with humidex (approx. 102F). That's awful warm for this part of the Great White North!. :? Gonna try to get another bulkhead situated before it gets to hot.

Gotta be something to this global warming stuff. We've seen extreme weather the likes of which I never saw growing up here. We had two twisters form just to the west and east of us this week. Totally unheard for these parts. I have visions of a twister taking off with my boat shed, just like Dorothy's house, every time we get a tempest. 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:30 am
by Cracker Larry
It's mighty hot in GA too. I think we've had almost 30 straight days over 95F. And 100% humidity. I like it hot, but not this hot :help: It must be rougher on yall in the North, at least we're used to being hot down here. I'm glad I don't have a boat to sand this summer :D
I have visions of a twister taking off with my boat shed, just like Dorothy's house, every time we get a tempest. 8O
That's what happened to my boat shed a few months ago. Twisters are pretty normal here too.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:11 am
by Mhopper
I'm sanding and smoothing seams in Mother Nature's inferno today. It could be worse. I could be off to a real job.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I managed to get a couple of hours in on the boat this morning. Located Frame B and tabbed it in place.
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I'll finish that up tomorrow then work on the rest of the bow & Frame A puzzle.

Dunno how you guys down south do it. I'm a freakin' soup sandwich right now! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:22 pm
by Cracker Larry
All in what you're used to. I don't know how you do snow and ice either :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:All in what you're used to. I don't know how you do snow and ice either :D
*lol* Me neither. We're usually in Mexico, well for part of the winter anyways!

Stay cool CL. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:59 pm
by cape man
I've lived here almost all my life and still wilt in this kind of weather. We are getting our afternoon thunderstorms which take it from 90 down to 75 in a few minutes, even colder right on the edges.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:19 pm
by Fuzz
Knotty I was just thinking how much fortitude it takes to stick with a project as big as yours. I have a 45 foot hull in the yard but I do not think I have enough left in the tank to ever get it done so no point in starting. With you having to work around both the cold and now the heat it must be tough to make headway.
I keep thinking I would like to be a snowbird but I am not sure I could hang even in the winter. I know the summers down south would kill me. Heck I was getting heat rash from 75F :lol:
Keep chipping away at it! I am enjoying sitting on the sidelines and cheering for you :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:10 pm
by glossieblack
130,000 views! Keep up the good work and reporting KB. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:I've lived here almost all my life and still wilt in this kind of weather. We are getting our afternoon thunderstorms which take it from 90 down to 75 in a few minutes, even colder right on the edges.
Storms roll through here and we don't get any break in the temps. Just ups the humidity! Warm again today. Was going to tape in another bulkhead but it was 34 degs so no way, the glue would be kicking off before I could get it on the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Knotty I was just thinking how much fortitude it takes to stick with a project as big as yours. I have a 45 foot hull in the yard but I do not think I have enough left in the tank to ever get it done so no point in starting. With you having to work around both the cold and now the heat it must be tough to make headway.
I keep thinking I would like to be a snowbird but I am not sure I could hang even in the winter. I know the summers down south would kill me. Heck I was getting heat rash from 75F :lol:
Keep chipping away at it! I am enjoying sitting on the sidelines and cheering for you :wink:
Hey Fuzz. Yeah, it turned out to be a helluva lot more work than I bargained for. Not complaining. Just going to take a lot longer than I thought. Wish I could have done this 20 yrs ago. Sitting in a chair at a desk looking at a stupid computer for the last 20 yrs I worked didn't help much. It would be a much shorter list to tell you 'what doesn't hurt' anymore! :roll:

Thanks for looking in Fuzz. The kind words help a lot.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:31 pm
by Knottybuoyz
glossieblack wrote:130,000 views! Keep up the good work and reporting KB. 8)
Thanks GB. This threads been going for so long I half expected more. Don't think I ever noticed that lil' statistic before! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:01 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick I feel your frustration; the last few weeks going up and down, on and off the boat dripping sweat by the pail I was thinking about CL and the others in the south or Oz....too much heat is no fun to work in. Low 70's is ideal and much more productive. Since the tree fell I have had all the others around my boat cut down and now the shelter is a sweltering oven without tree shade - ditto for the cottage. Weird weather indeed - never seen these hurricane-like winds and ice storms like we now have in 58 years. Lots of work done but again limited access to the desktop so the pix will be at the end of build season.

Build on guys !

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Marc

Guess what? The Beaver Shit today! Thank you Phoenix! :lol: Actually I think they over paid me and will likely claw that back when they audit my account. :?

Way too hot in the shed today. Not even attempting to work in there. Really low on supplies and have to top up my CC before I order more epoxy from Bateau.

Hauled stainless to machine shop to have rudder fabricated. Still waiting on the engine overhaul to be completed. Likely this week or early next. Got a bit of work to do on the bilge before I can set the engine in place. Next step is rigging a boom to lift the engine into the boat. That should be fun! 8O

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:04 pm
by JoshuaAhab
The Beaver Shit today! Thank you Phoenix!
Now that's a uniquely Canadian sentiment.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
JoshuaAhab wrote:
The Beaver Shit today! Thank you Phoenix!
Now that's a uniquely Canadian sentiment.
Our motto: "In Beaver We Thrust" :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:26 pm
by blueflood
Ugggg...Pheonix :roll: I think every civil servant desk jockey thought "this will work from the get-go"...yeah right :doh:
no damage to my pay except $20 I think - like everyone in my section. To be resolved my butt. What a monumental but expected f*ckery.

Was out for a stroll just now and turned right back in :lol: I think I will paint the cottage doors in the shade when I get there today and avoid the sauna shelter altogether. It must be 1,000 degrees Kelvin in there. Peeps at work are asking me if I'm sick. Need to eat more and drink even more. Protein shakes and an ice cold beer. Perfect combo to beat the heat 8)

And speaking of "beavers"...TV show from years ago "Leave it to Beaver"... the dirtiest words on TV back then. Wife to hubby "...you were a little rough on the Beaver yesterday..." :lol: :lol: I still recall that line.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:24 pm
by JoshuaAhab
blueflood wrote:no damage to my pay except $20 I think
You got off easy. I guy I know in the Coast Guard down here says that some of the guys are owed $10,000.00 + in backpay, overtime, etc... They're calling in sick so they can get part time work to pay their bills.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
JoshuaAhab wrote:
blueflood wrote:no damage to my pay except $20 I think
You got off easy. I guy I know in the Coast Guard down here says that some of the guys are owed $10,000.00 + in backpay, overtime, etc... They're calling in sick so they can get part time work to pay their bills.
It's criminal what happened. I can't figure out why no one's been fired over it. Certainly wouldn't be acceptable in any private industry. The entire project management executive ought to be taken out and drawn and quartered. Unfortunately they'll all likely get promotions out of it (plus performance bonus). :cry:

For our friends south of the border, Phoenix (an IBM system) is a new pay system the Gubment implemented in January designed to replace a handful of disparate systems across a bunch of Gubment departments. An IBM solution sold to the Gubment to be the 'Silver Bullet' to cure all their ills. I think someone got sold a bill of goods and some palms got greased. It was more a political decision to give work to a bunch of call center workers down east that were out of work when they closed the long gun registry.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Have to remove part of the cradle that the boat is sitting in to fit the skeg. So away I go for some 'under the boat' yoga! :?

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It's nasty under there! Like rolling around in itching powder! So off I go to one of my favorite stores for some cheap packing blankets to lay on. Much better than rolling around in the dirt and kat turds! :D

This is the section of the cradle I have to cut out to make room to fit up the skeg.

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That pretty much summarizes what I put on the latest web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/still-at-it.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:29 pm
by terrulian
I've had best luck with titanium bits for stainless. Cobalt is not quite as good but better than a normal high speed bit.

I had not thought about the inches of fiberglass dust on the shop floor. What a pita. I hate me that stuff, but what you gonna do?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:I've had best luck with titanium bits for stainless. Cobalt is not quite as good but better than a normal high speed bit.

I had not thought about the inches of fiberglass dust on the shop floor. What a pita. I hate me that stuff, but what you gonna do?
It'll probably kill my 30 yr old shop vac but I'll try to get as much of it up as I can. The shipping blankets will help keep my arse out of it too. If all goes well I won't have to spend too much time underneath the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:48 am
by terrulian
I was going to suggest a Tyvek suit just for the cleanup, but then I remembered how hot it's been. Your life is hell. 8O :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:04 am
by Fuzz
Rick, my shop has been known to look like that more than once :lol: Work in it until you can not stand it any more and then stop and have a clean up day. for me sometimes it takes more than one :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:14 am
by Cracker Larry
I think I'd start in there with a leaf blower :!: No way would I crawl around in that :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:47 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick, like Larry says :lol: A clean work area is safer all around. After a session, the blower comes out and all the garbage is bagged. Can't stand tripping and skirting around things; wearing bi-focals makes half my field of vision blurry and the other half in focus :lol:

Marc
p.s. did another pay stub check and $60/pay (not $20) has been missing since Feb :help: Phoenix has been made aware. Idiots :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Marc

I'm a messy worker. No time for cleaning up! :roll: Just the way I am. I had a dust vac system but it couldn't handle the find sanding dust. Just redistributed it all over the shed. I was blowing dust up to the box fan to exit out of the shed but then I heard my neighbor commenting on the white dust all over his new black car! Ooops! :lol:

So today I test fitted the collapsible water tank. I think it'll work. It certainly fills up the void space below the engine.

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Once that was done I jumped under the boat to finish cutting away the cradle so I could slide the skeg in and rough fit it into place just to see how things were going to line up. Pretty close.

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There's that and a few more musings on today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/07/my- ... lanky.html

Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:25 pm
by Fuzz
Now you are getting to the fun part :lol: Be interesting to see how you install all of the stern gear. I have seen it done severial different ways and I am not sure what way is best :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Now you are getting to the fun part :lol: Be interesting to see how you install all of the stern gear. I have seen it done severial different ways and I am not sure what way is best :doh:
It's all fun stuff Fuzz! :lol: I've never even remotely done anything like this in my life so I have to make it up as I go along. :doh:

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So after some thought (which is hard when you only have 2 brain cells left) I figured out how to line up the skeg. Using my trusty laser level I set it up on the long axis of the box keel. Using a plumb bob through the hole for the rudder shaft I was able to locate the center of the rudder shaft and the first alignment hole, at the other end of the skeg.

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It was so spot on the laser even lit up the plumb bob through the prop shaft hole. Feeling confident I went on to start drilling holes in the bottom of the keel (shudder) and the stainless backing plate and skeg. I laid the 3/16" backing plate on top of the 1/4" thick skeg channel and drilled the holes at the same time. No small feat when all you have cheap tools. I did have titanium bits and plenty of cooling fluid.

Here's the backing plate in the bottom of the box keel. I would have done more but the bolts I have are too short. The bottom of the box keel has to be at least 1-1/2" thick!!!

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More tomorrow.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:29 pm
by cape man
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Really nice shot! Glad you posted it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:41 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:Really nice shot! Glad you posted it.
You're welcome CM. Anything you want to see just ask.

I think I'll be happy with this!

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Within 1/10 of 1 deg fore and aft & side to side. Next trick will be getting the rudder shaft vertical.

Too hot to work out there today. Besides I gotta go to the bank to fix one of their screwups!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cooled off just 'nuff to let me get back into the boat shed today. Started off drilling (trying to drill) the stainless plate & channel for the skeg. As it turns out I wasn't using the proper drill bits and chowdered them all to hell.

Managed to squeeze in some filleting & taping on Frame B. Had to skamper 'cause it was getting pretty warm in the shed.

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My buddy Jimmy came over to use my vice and we managed to come up with a 'backyard eyeball engineering' solution to his throttle cable! All in all a decent day.

Few more pics on the web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/lit ... ather.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hacked up Frame A. Top section will provide access to the anchor rode/chain locker. Middle section will likely be just storage and the bottom section a void space. I might be able to squeeze a battery in there for the windlass/bow thruster. Dunno yet.

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Flew in Frame C to get it located. It'll require some mods to the stringers (I think they're a wee bit too long). Have a crack at that tomorrow.

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Gotta go buy some coax and a splitter (HoneyDo), the Admiral is buying herself a small TV for her sewing room so she can watch the Olympics as she works.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
The heat has been relentless here lately. Yesterday mercury topped out at about 104F with himidex. Going to be hotter today! :roll:

I managed to get in to the shed for a couple of hours this morning to get Frame C lined up along the 'BASELINE' as Jacques instructed. I seem to have had a brainfart and forgot all about the 'BASELINE" so not it's written in big letters on the inside of the hull! :lol:

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It's a bit of a beast to wrestle in to the boat and get it lined up. It's heavy and awkward. Lopsided. I've already had it in and out twice for trimming and will have to do it again to get it right.

More musings on deviating from the plans on today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/at- ... peril.html

Standby....

PS. Connor Daniel Laporte (ETA end of September 2016). My first Grandchild! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:36 am
by terrulian
Rick, I was really feeling for you when I read about your problems getting things to fit. You must have been thinking, "all this work and I pooched the whole thing badly from the start" or some such paranoid fantasy. I know that would have run through my mind. Fortunately, this worked out not to be such a terrible issue, and a bit of fitting brought things back together after you remembered the baseline. How long ago was that, when you first put the baseline in? Wars have been won and lost, millions of babies born...you can't expect your memory to be perfect over that period of time. Too bad the bulkhead fell on your head, but, to repeat an old saw, good thing it wasn't an important part of your body. Build on!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:56 am
by jacquesmm
Don't worry about that. It is normal to have to adjust the bulkheads and frames at this point.
The dimensions are given to the plywood and that is what we need to set up the jig but in this size boat, we have thick layers of glass that build up especially in the corners and the plywood frames and bulkheads must be trimmed to fit. It is normal, it is not a mistake.
When doing that trimming, it is important to keep track of the baseline. You need it to have a level floors (sole) and level benches, seats, bunks etc.
If you did not mark that baseline, you can redraw it based on the sheer level.
That is probably why you asked about the bulwark but it is more accurate to work from the sheer.
That will give you all your heights but for the widths and corners, you will have to adjust.
I see that there is a gap close to the sheer. That can be filled with shims.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Jacques & Tony!

What were those famous last words? "I got this!" :lol:

Now all I need is the weather to cooperate a lil' and drop the temps about 20 degs or so!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:26 pm
by Cracker Larry
What were those famous last words? "I got this!" :lol:
No, it's "hold my beer and watch this" :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:No, it's "hold my beer and watch this" :lol:
I only use that one when it involves firearms or explosives! :lol:

Anywho, onto boat stuff. We finally got some relief from the heat. Very comfy, but lil' muggy, 19 C (66 F) in the shed this morning. Set to work getting Frame C fitted. No more big gaps and dead nuts on the baseline.

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Set to work filleting & taping the frame.

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I'll fillet & tape the other side tomorrow. Wee minor adjustment to the stbd side but that'll happen tomorrow as well. Admiral came out to survey the workings and strategize her sewing work space. Think we got that worked out and it'll be a nice feature once it's done.

Other than plenty of sanding up and down the stringers for the last layer of tape that's about it for today.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:46 pm
by jacquesmm
Great, that looks fine.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just some misc. stuff going on.

Got myself some 3/8" Cobalt drill bits to tackle the remaining holes on the stainless steel skeg. Cut through that stuff like a hot nail through cream cheese! :lol:

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But who knew a 3/8" SS bolt won't go through a 3/8" hole! :doh: Now I need a reamer to open up the holes. Frig.

Got a call from the mechanic working on our 4 cyl Yammy. He got it started. Just wanted to warm it up to change the oil. It ran away on him! Zoinks! Nothing hurt. He got it shut down by choking it out. Governor & fuel injection pump is seized up. *sigh* That's gonna cost a B.O.A.T. to fix. Oh well better than having to buy a new one at $4K US.

Fabricated a small bulkhead to go in the box keel in front of Frame E. This will form a nice little dry storage area.

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Went looking for the floor panel that'll go in here.

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And it's under a pile of crap in my leanto. *sigh*

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If it weren't pouring buckets outside I'd be in there after it. We desperately need the rain so I guess I can put off that activity for another day.

Project Manager (Ginger) and the Project Director (Grey Tom) came out to inspect the workin's!

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They both barked some orders and left me to my own devices.

I did get Frame A located and will likely start fixing that in place soon. So friggin' much to do I can hardly wrap my head around it! 8O

This time last year I was laying in the fabric on the inside of the hull.

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The progress is slow but steady. You can't rush perfection right?

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:41 pm
by cape man
Looking good!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:14 pm
by Cracker Larry
It wears me out just to watch :help: I'm sure glad I didn't order those plans 10 years ago, when I thought I might could build a 30' trawler :D Looking good. I'd trade those cats in for a couple of good dogs though :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:50 pm
by cape man
The daughter brought home three cats and then left them with me when she left. One just disappeared a few years ago, and I found the carcass from another yesterday morning. Coyotes in Florida are loving the cats! One left...but he's the oldest and smartest. Doesn't leave the porch at night. Maybe I can bait the Coyotes in closer... 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:06 pm
by Cracker Larry
Stake it out in the yard :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Don't know how far south these range, it's a Fisher. They'll take out a house cat for a snack! Small dogs, sheep, goats etc. Member of the weasel family.

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The ones we have now are all rescues. The wife tells me I'm a sucker for a sad face and am a marshmallow. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:15 pm
by Jeff
I have never actually seen one of those? Do you keep them as pets? Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:42 pm
by Fred in Wisc
Those things are like the North American version of the Tasmanian devil. Freakin' ferocious. We have just a few in Wisconsin, I've never seen a live on in the wild. The trappers catch a few.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:17 am
by MrPaul
Man! That's the biggest weasel I've ever seen. Beats the hell out of that little carpet crapping ferret my wife had when we got married.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:39 am
by topwater
Fisher cats are mean as hell and pretty much kill and eat anything they get there claws in .
Even Bob cats wont mess with them. Think land shark :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:44 am
by colinhart
I have never heard of them they look scarier than hell

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:46 am
by topwater
When you run into them in the woods and see how fast they can move its pretty amazing 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:28 am
by blueflood
Yep, they are pretty nasty. Seen cat guts and cat pieces in the woods. No cat though. Perfect predator; swims, climbs, fast and fearless and almost never seen. Holy crap the monsoon rains and the humid heat lately, never seen anything like that...hope all is good in your part Rick. I don't know how the guys south work in this soup; it is just no fun. Give me 70 degrees anytime - all the time.

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:18 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang, never seen or even heard of a weasel like that! Glad we don't have any of those critters down here. I reckon yall don't have any alligators up there though. We've got gators in every ditch around here. I can't even take dog swimming because of the gators.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:29 pm
by blueflood
No gators CL... black bears, wolves, coyotes, foxes, racoons, skunks, beavers, those fishers...and the elusive man-eating chipmunks :lol: Oh yeah...and humans. That species is pretty well f-up and quite dangerously unpredictable just the way they are.
Sorry for the highjack Rick :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
There was a gator got loose at the zoo on Welsely Island when I was a kid. It tried to get into the petting zoo pen! :lol:

That's ok, this thread needs a lil' diversion from time to time other wise it's just boring sh*t like boat building & sanding & other nonsense!

Here's more nonsense!

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/no-methodology.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:59 pm
by Rickk
Knottybuoyz wrote:
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This pic gives me a perspective of the size of the keel - its pretty darn long (or you' re really short ;-) )

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:02 am
by Cracker Larry
This pic gives me a perspective of the size of the keel - its pretty darn long (or you' re really short ;-) )
Sure enough! Yep, real glad I didn't buy those plans :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
This one's my favorite if you're trying to judge the scale of this whale! :lol:

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31' 5" from tip of the bow to the top of the transom. 10' 2" beam. I haven't measured the engine bay but it's likley 10' from Frame E bulkhead to the frame I put in to support the prop shaft.

Finished glassing in the stringers in that area this morning. I'll dress it up a bit tomorrow then paint underneath the engine beds. Ordered something called 'Duragrid' for the bottom of the box keel where the flexible water tank will sit.

http://www.duragrid.com/

A fella with your skills CL you could build a boat like this. :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:57 am
by Cracker Larry
A fella with your skills CL you could build a boat like this.
It's not the skills, it's the age. I'm sure I could have built it 15 years ago, but not today. This body is wore out.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:02 pm
by terrulian
This one's my favorite if you're trying to judge the scale of this whale!
So have you decided where to put the pool table and hot tub?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:16 pm
by Rickk
That's a big boat 8O
I used to have a bunch of friends when my 170 was in fishable shape and then once I started grinding POOF haven't seen them in 3 1/2 years :? Now they see I'm really close to being done and guess who is starting to nose around :lol:

You need about 10 friends to help you knock this baby out. :idea:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Cracker Larry wrote:
A fella with your skills CL you could build a boat like this.
It's not the skills, it's the age. I'm sure I could have built it 15 years ago, but not today. This body is wore out.
I'm 56 CL. How much more mileage do you have on you?

Yeah, 25 yrs ago would have been an easy project I imagine.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:
This one's my favorite if you're trying to judge the scale of this whale!
So have you decided where to put the pool table and hot tub?
I actually played pool on a ship once. It was tied up at the bottom of Young Street in Toronto. It was called 'Captain John's Flagship' and was a restaurant/pub.

We don't need a hot tub. Someday I'll be able to fall off the back of the boat and land in the warm waters of the Bahamas! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote:That's a big boat 8O
I used to have a bunch of friends when my 170 was in fishable shape and then once I started grinding POOF haven't seen them in 3 1/2 years :? Now they see I'm really close to being done and guess who is starting to nose around :lol:

You need about 10 friends to help you knock this baby out. :idea:
I keep inviting them over and nobody ever shows up. My buddy Peter used to but he's disappeared somewhere. He liked sanding! Huh!

I've kept track of everyone that has helped out. They'll all go for boat rides. The rest can just piss off! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Puttered around this morning. Got the engine bay sanded. Not gonna fair it. No one will ever see it anyways. Had to put the engine template back in to locate where I can put the drip tray.

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Puttered around some more and made some brackets for the drip tray. By the time I got back to the boat it was HOT!

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35 C that's 95 F. Nope, boat shed closed!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
I have a question about cutlass bearings. Never owned a boat with this thing before. About to dry fit the bearing carrier to the transom. What kind of fit does the cutlass have in relation to the bearing carrier? Interference fit? Does it have to be pressed in?

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There's no way I can press this in by hand.

Thanks in advance.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:35 am
by Knottybuoyz
Another question. I know, I'm full of them today!

Anywho, this is what the bearing carrier looks like when the prop shaft tunnel is abt 8 degs as per design.

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So I'll have to fab up some sort of wedge. Build up fiberglass layers? Just back fill it with thickened epoxy? Something else? I know just bare plywood won't do. I'd buy some G10 but I have plenty of offcuts of glass laying around.

Thoughts?

Thanks again.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:04 pm
by terrulian
Does it have to be pressed in?
Yes, but you can do this with a threaded rod or pipe with a strong crossmember on each end acting as a washer. It can be a little dodgy since you don't want to get things out of alignment but on the other hand I knew a guy who claimed to have just pounded his in.
Or you could take it to a machine shop. In this case you're lucky because you don't have to remove any structure from the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:10 pm
by Cracker Larry
All the ones I've ever replaced were press fitted in the strut. They are tight! I've beat them in and out with pieces of similar size pipe or an old piece of scrap prop shaft, and made presses with bolts and washers. But best is a small hand held hydraulic press with different size dies. Most boat yards have one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:19 pm
by Fuzz
Rick I have pulled them in with a piece of all-thread. Take two pieces of steel bigger than the bearing and drill a hole bigger than the all-thread in the middle. Run it through the housing and the bearing and crank her in. A press is better but this has worked for me. In case you are wondering pulling them out is even more fun :help:
I would make a wedge out of solid glass for the deadwood. Needs to be strong as that part is carrying a lot of weight and force. What is your plan for attaching it to the deadwood :doh: I like to make sure the housing can be removed for just this. The water I fished had a lot of silt in it and I had to replace the bearing every couple of seasons. Yours will last longer than that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So I'm hearing it has to be a tight fit correct? Makes sense.

I just picked up some 1/2 all thread and nuts and huge fender washers. I'll try using that to get the cutlass into the holder. See how it goes. If that fails I'll take it to my buddy who's got a press.

I think all glass for a wedge will work. I can make up a little form and lay it all up on the work bench then stick it in place. The bearing holder has two flanges that I can drill for whatever fastener I want. I have some 1/2 bronze bolts that'll work. Just through bolt it to some backing plates inside. The usual overdrill, fill w/epoxy & redrill to size. I don't plan to glue the bearing holder into the deadwood. Just some 4200 to seal it up. The shaft tube is very heavy 5/16" glass tube and it'll be thoroughly glassed in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:20 pm
by Fuzz
You might also want to do the old bearing in the freezer, heat on the housing deal.
After the bearing is in I would pull the set screws and drill a dimple in the bearing wall. Last thing you want is for the bearing to spin in the housing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:55 pm
by Cracker Larry
So I'm hearing it has to be a tight fit correct? Makes sense.
Yes, all I've seen were pressed in by whatever tool works, then a set screw to keep it there. You want the shaft spinning inside the bearing, but you sure don't want the bearing carrier to spin inside the strut.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:You might also want to do the old bearing in the freezer, heat on the housing deal.
After the bearing is in I would pull the set screws and drill a dimple in the bearing wall. Last thing you want is for the bearing to spin in the housing.
I tried that this morning. Got the carrier up to about 450 degs and the cutlass was frozen. Still wouldn't go in. I'll do it again tomorrow and try the all thread and some fender washers to see if I can persuade it to go in.

Got the tip on drilling dimples into the cutlass a few times now. Great tip!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So I gave it a good shot. Tried to make a tool to install the cutlass. Making a very long story short I ended up in my buddy's repair shop to get it pressed in.

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More meanderings on the blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/the ... times.html (included Youtube video)

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:14 pm
by terrulian
Total props for giving a very many try to the DIY approach, and even more props for knowing you were licked and seeking the work of a professional. I approve of every step you took!! I think I would have caved in much earlier.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:44 pm
by jacquesmm
I missed that question but I have done it many times as Fuzz explain: warm the housing and put the bearing on dry ice for a couple hours.
Anyway, it's done.
For the installation on the boat, create a wedge:
cover the housing, bearing , shaft with plastic, build up putty (resin+ fibers) and press the whole thing together.
When cured, remove plastic, lag bolt the housing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:03 pm
by cape man
It is moments like this I am so glad my current SC16 project doesn't include a cutlass bearing. With Terrulian...I would have been at my friend's shop right away. Good on you for giving it a try!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:24 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've replaced a couple dozen of them, but always had a press of some sort. It's not a job you can easily do by hand.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I call it 'persistence'! The wife calls it 'stubborn'! :oops:

Live & learn. Thanks for the tips on the wedge thingy. Never thought of just mixing thick goop and plastering it in there. I'd like to be able to remove the carrier at some point in the future for service if needed. It'll unscrew from the stern tube. I guess I can wax it or PVA it?

I have to make one for the skeg as well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
Stern bearing carrier assembled with Spurs line cutter attachment.

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Doesn't look like I did any damage to the cutlass installing it like a gorilla on crack! :roll:

https://youtu.be/8FJJysKxphU

Taking the rest of the day off.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:46 am
by terrulian
I guess I can wax it or PVA it?
Yes, or Larry's favorite, packing tape.
Bearing looks good, spins nice.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Worked a bit in the keel this morning. Have to get the holes lined up for the skeg. Overdrilled so they can be filled with epoxy prior to installing the skeg. I got 5 of the 7 holes done today before it got too warm in the shed.

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Ya never get used to drilling holes in hull you just spent so much time on getting it right! :?

Few more pics & cordless drill battery repair on today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/more-box-keel.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:34 pm
by BarraMan
Yes, drilling holes in a hull is very emotionally painful! :lol:

How do I know? :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Got all the holes drilled & gouged out. Managed NOT to cut all the way through! :wink:

A good healthy coat of mold release was on the bolts and I stuffed them 'up' through the holes in the bottom of the keel. Taped them in place and backfilled the holes with epoxy & chopped strands.

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When these are setup tomorrow I'll pull the bolts & sand smooth. Inching every closer to installing the skeg.

Few more pics on the web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/08/dri ... lling.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:49 pm
by glossieblack
Knottybuoyz wrote:Inching every closer to installing the skeg.
Inching closer to a real milestone Rick. Well done. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:56 pm
by Fuzz
Rick I have to say I admire you for sticking with a project of this size. I am afraid if I tried something of this size it would stall out and never get done.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote:Rick I have to say I admire you for sticking with a project of this size. I am afraid if I tried something of this size it would stall out and never get done.
I have to really force myself on this project Fuzz. I'm terrible at 'not finishing' things.

One lil' nibble at a time! Just gotta keep going!

Thanks for looking in. Appreciate it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:33 am
by colinhart
Its interesting how things are done differently around the world. I epoxyied in a great lump of teak in the deadwood to take the skeg and will use 316 stainless coach bolts into the teak to hold it together with liberal doses of sikaflex 216. Looking good Rick. By the way I used a teak wedge coated with epoxy to get the cutless bearing angle right. Just sick of epoxying the outside of the cabin at the mom could you believe it its been too hot here to use fast hardener only last about 3 minutes. Just heard a speed boat charging up the river whilst I am typing this doesnt it make you jealous

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:Its interesting how things are done differently around the world. I epoxyied in a great lump of teak in the deadwood to take the skeg and will use 316 stainless coach bolts into the teak to hold it together with liberal doses of sikaflex 216. Looking good Rick. By the way I used a teak wedge coated with epoxy to get the cutless bearing angle right. Just sick of epoxying the outside of the cabin at the mom could you believe it its been too hot here to use fast hardener only last about 3 minutes. Just heard a speed boat charging up the river whilst I am typing this doesnt it make you jealous
Hey Colin

Been warm here too! I managed to get in a few hours this morning before it got too hot in the shed. Guess there really is something to this global warming business.

Been watching your progress and yes I'm jealous! :lol:

Never thought of sticking in a big hunk of hard wood to bolt the skeg too. Huh! I've got a massive slab of white oak that would have worked too. Oh well. Kinda used to having backing plates on everything. I'm sure it'll be fine.

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Keep up the good work. We'll get there one day! :wink:

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:44 pm
by cape man
Looking great. It is always amazing how long it sometimes takes to perform what appears to be a simple step. Like others, your sticktoitness is an inspiration.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:30 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:Looking great. It is always amazing how long it sometimes takes to perform what appears to be a simple step. Like others, your sticktoitness is an inspiration.
Thanks Cape man. As the wife always says 'ain't nobody gonna do it for ya!" :roll: I admit fully I bit off more than I can chew.

Today's mystery project.

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Broke an unbreakable titanium drill bit. Takin' the whole set back! Frack!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
BOOM! :lol:

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/boom.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:04 pm
by Corto Maltese
Boom? I wouldn't have guessed.
I'm going to put the engine inside next week with fork lift and later mount it with the help of chain pulley. Beta marine 43 engine (Kubota) weights 270 kg. I didn't make so strong bearers as you did. Just two 1cm thick aluminum profiles. Will post some pictures and video later, when the nights will be longer..
Cheers mate, wish you fair weather for build
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for looking in Dario! Really looking forward to seeing you land your engine in the boat! 8)

I managed to spill some paint in the bilge today!

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Took the last two days off. Very nice cool weather here but my get up and go, got up and went. Maybe just needed a break. Short day today too. Can't do much with wet paint inside the boat. Back at it tomorrow.

So our lil' Yanmar huffer has a seized governor rod in the fuel injection pump. The mechanic is trying to free it up to save the $1K rebuild fee. I appreciate it if he can. If not I'm willing to bite the bullet and get it rebuilt. Still no word from machine shop on rudder build. I'll check up on that tomorrow seeing as today's a holiday.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:15 am
by terrulian
Nice paint spilling, Rick! :D
Sorry to hear about the engine. 8O Good luck with that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Things have been pretty slow. Still waiting on engine & rudder. Few other misc. chores in today's blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/kin ... -goin.html

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Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Drip tray glassed, painted & installed. Frames E2 & F trimmed to fit and ready to be glued.
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Poured some water on the bottom above the stringers to find the low point in the hull. Drilled two limber holes.
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Frames E2 & F will get glued and taped tomorrow and I'll continue to move aft on the port side. Once that's done I'll move the ladders around and do the stbd side.

https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/dri ... holes.html

That is all for now. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:31 pm
by cape man
Looking good! One thing at a time...one thing at a time. Keep on building brother!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Had a massive WTF moment in the boat shed this morning. There's still so friggin' much to do I'm lost and going in circles. Had a half ass'd plan to glue & tape the bottom portions of the frames but that didn't work out. My mind got switched to tanks and which is going where and sizes etc. Boom, downloaded the drawings and did a lot of navel gazing as my two tiny neurons corresponded to come up with a plan. :?

Anywho, got sidetracked from that and switched over to the bulkhead to support the Python Drive. That's sort of a priority. It's got to be done before the engine gets here. I'll force myself to concentrate on that until it's done. Maybe that's the way to go.

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/mas ... oment.html

Carry on.......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:01 pm
by terrulian
I'm getting vertigo just contemplating what you're contemplating. Too bad they don't make these damn boats square, like right-thinking people would do.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:45 pm
by Fuzz
When I was building a larger boat I found myself going into the shop with many plans of what I would do that day. When I found myself spending half of the day just sitting and thinking in circles I knew it was time to take a few days off and go clear my mind. Building a large boat is not a sprint, it is a marathon and not for everybody. Best of luck, keep telling yourself "one bite at a time" and you will get it done :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:40 pm
by BarraMan
Yes, my boat is only 22' but building it is a marathon. Was supposed to be on the water in April 2015, then April 2016 - now in September 2016 its only a few weeks away from the "splash".

About 10 years ago I bought the plans for a 44' cruising trawler ................ not gonna happen! Should have started when I was 30, but had neither the time nor the money at that time in my life.

I love seeing these big boats come together, and admire the determination and resilience of their builders.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Capeman tossed a new word out there awhile back, Sticktoitness. I guess it's that or persistence or stubbornness or whatever but back into the shed I went this morning. I have a half ass'd plan to finish the bulkhead for the thrust bearing mount.

Dry fitted, trimmed and glassed. Flip it over tomorrow and do the other side.

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Just a bit of sanding porn on the blog updated today: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/sticktoitness.html

Thanks for the kind words. Helps a lot.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:02 pm
by terrulian
Looks super strong, Rick.
As far as sticktoitness is concerned, I miss building my boat, even though now that it's done I can use it. For that reason I didn't rush through it and get too fixated on finishing in a hurry. But I don't even have room for the boats that I have so I can't build another one.
It is wonderful to be fully engaged in creating something that is not only of practical value but beautiful, and doing it just exactly right. Outside of family and friends, I've found nothing more satisfying.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:41 pm
by Corto Maltese
Rick,
the Python's bulkhead is from one 12mm layer of ply or you laminated more? I still didn't decide... all the force goes through it. I'm thinking about three layers.
Nice progress.. one step after the another, it does not matter if it is big or small boat (beside some more $$$ :lol: )
Cheers,
D.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Dario

I'm going to follow the lead of my buddy who installed one a few years back. He's used 1" (25mm) ply.

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Best to err on the side of caution I think. For what it costs to add another doubler, maybe $1 in materials.

12 mm plywood is incredibly strong but I always remember this.

"If it breaks, make it stronger, if it's not broken, try harder!" :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:23 am
by Fuzz
Well if it makes you feel better when I installed an Aqua-drive I used 3/4 plate steel for that part. 20 plus years later it is still working just fine :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:03 am
by Corto Maltese
Thanks for info. Going to put two 12mm layers of ply + 10mm Al plate. It's easier for me to find and to work with Al than steel.
Thanks
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:11 pm
by Fuzz
I should have said the one I installed was on a bigger boat with a lot more power than what you guys are using. But it is taking all of the engine thrust so it needs to be stout.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just a video today: https://youtu.be/-78OG97mM8E

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:41 pm
by MrPaul
That's a really cool app. Never thought to look for a level but now I'm going to find one for the android. Your boat is coming along beautifully. You've put a lot of work into her.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:55 pm
by terrulian
Love it. I'm definitely a nerd for this stuff.
Your body must be fiberglass slivers and itches from head to toe, but I've mentioned this before and you indicated you had it worked out.
No gloves. That's manly.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Love it. I'm definitely a nerd for this stuff.
Your body must be fiberglass slivers and itches from head to toe, but I've mentioned this before and you indicated you had it worked out.
No gloves. That's manly.
I think I'm immune to fiberglass itching now! :lol: Helps if you sand and the epoxy is still a lil' green. It just balls up and falls off instead of going to dust.

I didn't have gloves on? Huh! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
MrPaul wrote:That's a really cool app. Never thought to look for a level but now I'm going to find one for the android. Your boat is coming along beautifully. You've put a lot of work into her.
Thanks for the kind words MrPaul.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:27 am
by gonandkarl
Love your video and especially the level app and you show a level I also have and dont like it for your same reasons visability and sticking when held at an angle. Carry on your good work and always let us have a good look at it.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:41 am
by Knottybuoyz
gonandkarl wrote:Love your video and especially the level app and you show a level I also have and dont like it for your same reasons visability and sticking when held at an angle. Carry on your good work and always let us have a good look at it.
Greetings from Karl
Thanks for looking in Karl. Nice to hear from you.

Was back at the bulkhead again. It's glued, screwed & tattoo'd now! No way it's coming out!

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/glu ... ttood.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thrust bearing mocked up and mounted. Just waiting on rudder & skeg to return from the machine shop.

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Few more doodley doo's in today's blog updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/con ... -saga.html

Carry on....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:31 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,

In my opinion the thrust bearing is not mounted correctly.
The bearing should be between the two rubber 'rings' (don't know the correct term).
The correct order, starting from he back should be: bolt/rubber/bearing/rubber/panel/nut and not
bolt/rubber/bearing/panel/rubber/nut.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote:In my opinion the thrust bearing is not mounted correctly.
The bearing should be between the two rubber 'rings' (don't know the correct term).
The correct order, starting from he back should be: bolt/rubber/bearing/rubber/panel/nut and not
bolt/rubber/bearing/panel/rubber/nut.
Good eye Peter! :wink:

I went back and looked at the instructions (who needs instructions) and you're correct. I'll fix that this morning.

Thanks

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fixed.

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I do remember reading the instructions. It was about 6 yrs ago! :roll: The date on the invoice for the unit was December 10, 2009.

Ain't nobody got time for reading instructions! :wink:

https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/rtfm.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spilled more paint! :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Took a few more lil' nibbles out of the whale today. Filled in the hole for the prop shaft support then turned my attention back to the forward cabin again.

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Should have the rudder & skeg back this coming week then I can finish up the arse end of this thing! 8)

Web log udpated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/mor ... bbles.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:57 pm
by pee wee
Indeed, you are making progress. That's got to feel good to be working on steps of the project that you can check off the list, be thinking ahead to the next step. Not like fairing that hull that won't quit! But you did get done, amazing. I admire you for your sticktoitiveness, perseverance, doggedness, whatever you call it you're an inspiration.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:32 pm
by Fuzz
When you get the shaft log and its other components along with the skeg/rudder installed you have the toughest part of the whole build in back of you. At least that is how it seems to me. You are making good progress, keep it up.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:18 am
by TheBroomside
Rick wrote:Good eye Peter! :wink:
Only because I like this build so much...
Keep up the good work.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fella's, appreciate it.

Plan this morning was to get both small bulkheads in. No way, I was rolling around in the 'poxy! Frig, my left butt cheek is now waterproof and I smell like French Fries (again)! :roll:

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Got one in. Second one tomorrow once the epoxy sets up. Just too messy & cramped to move around.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Basement bulkhead #2 filleted, taped & glued.

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Blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/slow-start.html

Trying to find sole panels for the forward section. Man o' man would it be nice to stand on a level deck! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:41 am
by MrPaul
Frig, my left butt cheek is now waterproof and I smell like French Fries (again)! :roll:
It's all part of the fun. A couple of months ago I had some coworkers in the office ask me why I shaved 1 arm and not the other. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
MrPaul wrote:
Frig, my left butt cheek is now waterproof and I smell like French Fries (again)! :roll:
It's all part of the fun. A couple of months ago I had some coworkers in the office ask me why I shaved 1 arm and not the other. :lol:
I can't use my favorite comeback anymore. "Kiss my hairy fat arse!" :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The Dark Side of boat building nobody wants to talk about!

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/the-dark-side.html

Carry on....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:18 pm
by Jeff
Knottybuoyz, not a pretty picture!! How is your weather, getting cooler?? Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote:Knottybuoyz, not a pretty picture!! How is your weather, getting cooler?? Jeff
Very comfortable 22 C (abt 70 F) right now. Was a lil' chilly first thing this morning.

How's the weather there? Had some storms recently haven't you?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:39 pm
by Jeff
Yes, a few came through but nothing serious for us here in Southern Florida, otherwise it is and has been hot for a while!! Even with Spring starting tomorrow, we are not going to see any let-up on the heat!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
The Dark Side of boat building nobody wants to talk about!
That's when you're a real boat builder :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Good News! Rudder finally being fabricated!

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News, Weather & Sports @ 11! Stay Tuned! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:23 pm
by Rickk
Jeff wrote:Yes, a few came through but nothing serious for us here in Southern Florida, otherwise it is and has been hot for a while!! Even with Spring starting tomorrow, we are not going to see any let-up on the heat!! Jeff
Time flies by fast enough please don't encourage it ;-P Fall starts.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:34 pm
by Jeff
Good point Rickk!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
Yes, a few came through but nothing serious for us here in Southern Florida, otherwise it is and has been hot for a while!! Even with Spring starting tomorrow, we are not going to see any let-up on the heat!! Jeff
What side of the world do you live on? Fall starts here tomorrow, not spring :doh: This little tropical storm Julia is still making little circles off of SC and Georgia, it was supposed to move north but never did. Don't believe the weathermen! Steady raining and a good breeze blowing. Nothing serious, just a nuisance. Farmers need the rain anyway. Been much cooler this week.

I've got a new generator coming tomorrow :D Our old Generac has been 100% reliable for the last 18 years, and still is. We use it regular. Wonder if it was made by Yamaha? But nothing is forever and it's time to upgrade that, before I need to. Sort of like water pump impellers and fuel filters. Change them before they need it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:19 pm
by Jeff
Good point Cracker Larry, guess I was thinking spring when I intended to say Fall!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:03 am
by Fuzz
Larry are going to get another Generac or something else?
We had a little wind storm blow through last night and lost power for about 6 hours. I am starting to think it is time for me to get some backup power before it is -50 and I really need it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Drilled a few holes in the skeg & got a call to go see machine shop guys to finalize details on rudder fab.

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/mor ... ieces.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:07 pm
by terrulian
Matt should wear eye protection.
As always, love the updates.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote:Matt should wear eye protection.
As always, love the updates.
Agreed on the eye protection. Never noticed. He did have them on earlier.

Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Made a few of my own modifications to the rudder this morning.

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I'm certainly no welder. Spent a good deal time more on the grinder afterwards! :lol:

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/angry-pixies.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:05 pm
by cape man
One thing I never mastered at all. Welding takes a different mind than mine! Looks great.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote:One thing I never mastered at all. Welding takes a different mind than mine! Looks great.
Takes practice & a lil' instruction I guess. I sent my kid to school for welding then he takes off out west! :roll:

Added a few gussets from scrap sitting around. Can't hurt and cost virtually nothing.

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Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/mor ... -skeg.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:53 pm
by colinhart
You sure don't want it to break

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote:You sure don't want it to break
There's an old saying. Think the off road Jeep guys claim it as their own but... "If it breaks, make it stronger. If it's not broke. Try harder!" :lol:

I break a lot of things! :oops: Hopefully this won't be one of them!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
Had to open up one of the shed doors to get the trailer in and offload the engine. This is what I found!

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I have to admit. It is impressive when you get to stand back and see the whole thing!

Few more mental wanderings on today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/09/the-lil-engine.html

Carry on....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:20 pm
by TomW1
Seeing that full on picture, I have to ask: How are you going to get her from the back yard to the a trailer on the street or some means of getting to the water?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:51 pm
by terrulian
Yep, Rick, that's impressive. It really doesn't look like something a guy could make hizown self. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote:Seeing that full on picture, I have to ask: How are you going to get her from the back yard to the a trailer on the street or some means of getting to the water?
Hey Tom.

Good question. Have already had the 'toy hauler' guy in for a look. He'll be able to back up his hydraulic trailer right under the boat and lift it out. Might have to sacrifice my neighbors rose tree though! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
So my plan to use a home made boom to lift the engine into the boat doesn't seem to be workable.

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I'll tinker with the skeg etc. next week but that's gonna be it for the season. See you all in the spring!

Last Web log update for 2016: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2016/10/boom-fail.html

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:09 pm
by terrulian
Sorry to hear that, Rick, but I'm confident you'll find a workaround or an improvement in the rig that gets the job done. Will miss your updates, and look forward to next season. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:27 pm
by cape man
90 degrees here today and the grass is over my knees in the back of the property that is still holding water. Waiting patiently for the "end of the season" here! Hell we have a cat 4 churning to the south!


Like Terullian, gonna miss the updates on your build.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:39 pm
by Cracker Larry
90 here today also. Cool this morning, 55 instead of the normal 75, but it warmed up fast.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:31 am
by woylie
Almost forgotten what cold means.Between 28 and 43C lately.
Five months of post el nino contrary winds and hot sea temperatures.Freshwater cut out couple of days ago so had to dig a trench to the next billabong and got enough to cover the foot valve of the pump for a couple days. A 3metre crocodile has just taken up residence next to the original pump to prey on the geese and ducks. Hard to say whether croc poo is worse than duck poo when I make the morning coffee.
A rock bar cut off the flow eventually so had to take a little generator up then a pump,then fittings for the poly pipe which were imperial and metric then fuel but eventually got the water flowing and overnight put a couple of inches over the footvalve.Filled a bulk chemical tank for the cookshack and cut a 50 gallon drum to flush the toilet. A baby rock wallaby drowned herself the next night and i blame myself for not covering it.
Heard rumours there was a trawler out off the coast so armed myself with some dried beef and an icebox went out to see if i could do a trade for some prawns or shrimp as you Americanos call them.Wasn't hopeful as the season on this coast has been disastrous.
The "trawler" turned out to be a pleasure craft "Bunyp"with huge outriggers for trolling .They invited me on board for a cuppa and are coming up the river tomorrow for a few days to try for a barramundi and mangrove jack.
The good part is they gave me a bottle of 18yo Chivas.
I am going to miss the build over the next few months and want to thank you for the entertainment (not sure if this is the right word)
Cheers!
woylie

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:03 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
The Winter is here to come soon as well but I still want to flip my boat in the building shed beforehand. ( Can even work in Winter to a certain extent by heating in there with a coal or gas stove.) I got a good idea how I can use my come along from Your unsuccessful boom engine lift construction. So Your drawback on this is not so bad it helps others and I think You will come up for sure with a new idea of lifting the engine in Spring. I am looking forward to Your updates then.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
My buddy Matt in Australia asked me for an overview pic of the boat.

"Only the greatest minds have the messiest desks!" - Albert Einstein

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It's really organized chaos and not really messy! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
So I have a question.

How hard is it going to be to finish this boat with a ruptured disc in my back? 8O

It hurt like hell last year. Slowed me down a lot. It's worse now. MRI on Mar 1st. to see what's going on then look at options.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:46 pm
by colinhart
Look after yourself Rick hope it goes okay cheers Colin

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:04 pm
by Fuzz
I understand they can do amazing things now days. you might be surprised how well and fast you recover. I will hope for the best result for you.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:02 pm
by Corto Maltese
Rick, I agree with Fuzz. You gonna be far better and we'll finish that damn boat next year!!
Cheers,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:23 pm
by terrulian
Good luck Rick!! I bet they can fix you up with a little baling wire and duct tape and you'll be back eating epoxy dust in no time! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:48 pm
by BB Sig
Take care of that back. The boat can be finished later, but your back may not be repairable if you continue. My foot continues to hurt daily from continuing to run on it for 6 weeks while trying to complete a military course. In the end, it was not worth it! :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Fellas. Appreciate the kind comments.

Been reading up on possible therapies. Ozone injection sounds interesting. We'll see what the Back Quacks have to say when they see the MRI.

Going to Mexico on Saturday for 4 weeks rehab. :lol: Should be either feeling a helluva lot better or a helluva lot worse (hung over) after that!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:00 pm
by Jeff
Safe travel in Mexico!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:43 pm
by colinhart
Apparently beer is really bad for a bad back according to the latest medical research or so I have heard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:11 pm
by Browndog
Liquor is quicker than beer and provides more pain relief. A few drinks and some time in the pool and hot tub sounds pretty good. Double Hydro therapy for your back.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:20 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick,
All the best for your back and the trip to Mexico. I was once there after back trouble just on holiday in Cozumel and the warm water worked wonders for my back. You will come back a new man and as Dario said : This year we finish the damned boat.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:41 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's

The back rehab in Mexico is going pretty good. Still having problems walking long distances. I get about 150 yrds and my back starts to spasm & my right leg goes numb. So while I was here doing not much I ordered some supplies to finish the rudder. Gonna get it setup for a resin infusion of the reinforcing layers. I'll video the whole process. That should be fun.

Looks like I'm going back to work when I get home, for at least a month likely two. Once that's out of the way it's boat building season again! 8)

Web log updated; https://she-kon.blogspot.mx/2017/02/mid ... pdate.html

Cheers fellas.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:03 am
by colinhart
looking forward to seeing the posts in the near future keep up the beer treatment it helps.Managing to build some internal furniture for my baby at the moment.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:23 am
by jacquesmm
Glad to see you back on the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:24 am
by terrulian
Looking forward to your recovery and consequent return to the board with updates. Best of luck, Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
So technically it's 'Spring' here. Supposed to hit 10C or for you south of the fence that's 50F. :lol: Lots of rain in the forecast.

Finished my latest assignment with the Gubment on Friday. Glad that's over. Time to turn my attention to the boat. First up will likely be finishing the rudder so I can get that and the drive train installed. The engine still has to be serviced. I dunno but nobody seems to want to return my calls. Fack! Is my money not good 'nuff for them?

Anyhow. I did pick up two Igloo 150 qt coolers for $77 Cdn Pesos each! Score! I'm thinking these could go under benches in the cockpit or main salon for cold & dry storage or whatever use they're required for. Just too good a deal to let slide by.

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Still sore as hell. First MRI was a flop. I didn't fit in the machine. Too wide in the shoulders and they wanted me to put my arms above my head and with two blown out rotator cuffs that wasn't going to happen. They were going to image my lower spine so why they couldn't stick me in feet first I have no idea. Off to a bigger machine next Saturday. I do have a fear of being trapped in small spaces so a sedative is likely in order! 8O

That's all the news. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:56 am
by jacquesmm
Good to see you back working on the boat (I read that on the other forum) and sorry to hear about your health problems.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:17 pm
by Fuzz
Rick I am not a fan of tight spaces myself so I know what you are speaking about. I did some looking around and found a place here in Alaska that has an MRI machine that lets you sit up right. No problem at all with the tight places deal. If we have it in Alaska you are bound to have it in your area.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:40 pm
by terrulian
Rick, you owe it to us to get better. You don't know how I've suffered for lack of sanding videos. 8O
So best of luck and let's get on with it! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:27 am
by Corto Maltese
Rick, wish you better health. I missed your posts and now you're the proof that winter is over. We have exceptionally warm March over here. Now I'm tabbing rear frames (F-I). The engine is in, but I realised I have to fix rudder shoe and rudder post before propeller shaft. Do you have by chance a file of rudder profile (naca0007-9) usable for cnc?
Cheers,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:02 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick, Good that You will be posting again. I am ready to cover the bottom and sides of my boat with fibreglass and in my head is Your video of applying the peel ply. I am looking forward to do it exactly like You showed it to us. I hope Your back will not bug You too much in the future.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
Corto Maltese wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:27 am Rick, wish you better health. I missed your posts and now you're the proof that winter is over. We have exceptionally warm March over here. Now I'm tabbing rear frames (F-I). The engine is in, but I realised I have to fix rudder shoe and rudder post before propeller shaft. Do you have by chance a file of rudder profile (naca0007-9) usable for cnc?
Hi Dario

I have a NACA 12 in DXF format that I got from Peter. That's what I used to have the rudder parts cut.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

You're ahead of me now. 8O I still have to get my engine serviced before I can set it in. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:05 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all the well wishes guys. I'm really looking to churning out more sanding video's this year! :lol:

Think they're still going to have to drug me to get me into one of those infernal contraptions! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:58 pm
by Corto Maltese
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:05 am Think they're still going to have to drug me to get me into one of those infernal contraptions! :roll:
Thanks for the file, Rick.
Don't exaggerate with drugs, as you can loss that beatiful itchy sense after sanding :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm back. Well sorta. Still having issues with my back and leg that keeps me out of the boat shed most days. Updated our web log with a few details on what's been happening.

http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/04/a-minute-or-two.html

Bought a bunch of other doo dads the last month or so, just thru-hulls, drains, bilge pumps etc. Hopefully I'll get to install them this year.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:46 pm
by terrulian
Great to have you back, Rick!
All that work moving the engine would have put me in the hospital, and I'm pretty amazed you could do that by yourself, not to mention being hampered by the problems with your own personal rig and hoist. Best of luck with the health issues. We don't care about YOU, of course, but we need you back here for our amusement. :wink: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm back (again). Well sorta. Still nowhere near 100%. Have an appt with the neurosurgeon on the 21 st. to see if there's anything that can be done. I did manage to get out into the boat shed today. Mostly puttering and cleaning up the mess. If I pace myself (snail's pace) I can keep going for awhile. Tomorrow I'm going to try to get my 6" x 6" i-Beam up 10' in the air. 8O This will be the gantry crane that'll lift the engine into the boat on chain falls.

Standby for the calamity that will undoubtedly ensue!

Carry on!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:50 pm
by Corto Maltese
Dear Rick, take care. Work something easy, like sanding for instance :lol:
I for sure miss your posts.
Cheers and health with you!
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:10 pm
by terrulian
Funny, I literally was just thinking about you this morning and considering sending a PM. Honestly very sorry to hear about the health problems and very much looking forward to seeing future posts. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:16 pm
by Tungsten
Sorry to here about the back,a bitch to fix.
Not too discourage you but you've been at it for 11 years, at least that was the first post date.
Just hire some guys to get it finished, go enjoy the boat.
Sorry but have had too many friends die in past 2 years you never know when its your time.
Go enjoy life on the water not in a dirty boat shed.

Sorry, sometimes people need a little push.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Tungsten wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:16 pm Sorry, sometimes people need a little push.
Sometimes it's about the journey and not so much the destination. I have tried to hire people before. Not many around here with the experience I need to help. I'll push through it. Holding out hope they can fix my back.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:55 pm
by terrulian
I'm sure everyone on this forum and those following your blog are pulling for you and hope for the best.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:08 pm
by Fuzz
terrulian wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:55 pm I'm sure everyone on this forum and those following your blog are pulling for you and hope for the best.
Totally agree with this. Hope your body heals.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:04 pm
by Jeff
Rick, take good care of yourself!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:22 pm
by TomW1
Hey Rick feeling for you. Just take it easy and don't over do it. I to have a weak back from standing on those steel decks while in the Navy. I actually ended up in the hospital twice while I was in the service. So I know it is not fun when you want to do things and your back says no you can't.

Take care and hope all goes well with the neurosurgeon.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:45 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick,
All the best for you and especially your back. Just look forward to the gentle boating you will have when your boat is finished, I am saying this after having read the AC thread and wondered that these 6 guys did not break their back.
I am still so very thankful for your video of the peel ply application and the inspiration you gave me to do it exactly as in your video slow and steady. I still look at it even that I am nearly finished with my boat because it shows so well the slow process of building a boat far away from the hectic stress sailors must have riding an AC catamaran. I think that is why we enjoy building and like Tony once said he is sorry that his boat will be finished soon because the tranquility of the surrounding in the boat shed will be gone. So while you are waiting for your back to improve enjoy the slow progress on your boat instead and look happy into the future.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all the well-wishes fellas. It's in the hands of science now as to if my back can be fixed or not. Appt. with neurologist is next week. Hoping for a speedy resolve so I can get back to working on the boat. The wife and I have been contemplating a Class C RV! :oops:

I tinker most days. Spent all day yesterday cleaning up the main work bench. Can actually see the top of it now! :lol: Today I'm friggin' with the 6" i-Beam trying to get it lifted onto the boat prior to setting it higher on the shed walls. Doing it all myself with my trusty electric winch. What a lifesaver that thing is. I'm glad I put it in when we built the shed. My neighbor, Robert, always wants to help. Today he wants to be the cushion under the load. 8O Really! What a man. I know he means well but if the 16' i-Beam decides it wants to kiss the ground I really don't need you to break it's fall Robert!!! :wink:

I'll try to grab a few pics of the thing once it's up in the air.

Thanks again & Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:41 am
by terrulian
:D 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Finally something worthy of reporting.

Spent the last few days trying to hoist my 6" x 6" x 16' i-beam up into the air! :cry: After a couple of failed attempts I managed to get it done and all by myself.

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A few more minor updates on the blog update: Web log updated https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/06/fin ... thing.html

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:57 pm
by Fuzz
I know it was a lot of work getting the beam and hoist set up but you are going to love it now. You will wonder how you managed without it. And the really nice thing is how much it saves the old back :D
I am really lazy. I have a larger chain fall and a small 12 volt winch on a beam. For smaller stuff less than 500 pounds it is nice to be able to just push the button. The 12 volt winch is for a 4-wheeler and is not rated for lifting but it holds and works well with light loads. If things are heavy I go with the chain hoist.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:47 pm
by terrulian
I always look forward to the updates, Rick. Best of luck on the back!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:08 pm
by Jaysen
OK... how'd you do it without a crane? I have ideas, but I'm too lazy to guess these days.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:30 am
by blueflood
Hey Rick :D Back in the shed !
Since winding down somewhat I have leftovers galore. Before buying anything, let me know. Hatches, ports, electrical stuff, QF, graduated tubs, stainless fittings, even quarts of EZ Cabin Coat - I'll unload for half price and even drive to your site :D

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's. Thanks for all the kind words.

I have a 2500 lb elec winch hooked to the sidewall of the shed and running up to the ridge to a snatch block. You can see the wire leading down to the beam just to the right of the 2x3 sticking up in the picture. :wink: Had to replace the winch after 8 yrs. The brakes wouldn't hold the beam. Think we paid $60 USD for it from Horror Freight. Best USD's I ever spent. The thing owes me nothing.

Other than the engine I don't have too many heavy things to go in the boat. Batteries maybe. Other than that I don't think I'll need it. Plan is once engine is in I'll take it down and sell it as a 'Gantry Crane' for a home workshop/garage. That's the reason I bought a 16' i-Beam.

Thought about the elec winch instead of chain falls but I wouldn't of had enough clearance to get the engine over the gunnel into the boat.

Still in clean up mode today.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:30 am Hey Rick :D Back in the shed !
Since winding down somewhat I have leftovers galore. Before buying anything, let me know. Hatches, ports, electrical stuff, QF, graduated tubs, stainless fittings, even quarts of EZ Cabin Coat - I'll unload for half price and even drive to your site :D

Marc
Hey Marc

Always on the hunt for a bargain. What size are the hatches? I have ports already. Shoot me a list of what you have and what you're looking to get for it.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:38 am
by blueflood
Will do Rick, stand by. Don't go buying S3 QF or Easy Fillet; I have still-wrapped small tubs of each.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:12 pm
by TomW1
Hey Rick good luck on the doc's next week!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:12 pm Hey Rick good luck on the doc's next week!
Thanks Tom! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I explained the results of my visit with the neurosurgeon yesterday on today's blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/06/buttercup.html

I'm pooped or I'd write something more.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:30 pm
by terrulian
So, Rick, no easy solution. Very sorry to hear that. Very sorry.
I have confidence that through the remedies you mention, plus some of the body's own clever initiatives, you will persevere.
Great work on the boat; keep the pictures coming!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:33 pm
by cape man
Read the blog...I hate unsolicited advice, and even more when it is medical advice, so take this as just sharing a story...I have a family member with a crushed disc in his lower back that is impinging on the nerve going down into his hips and legs. 10+ years of pain that got much worse the last two. Two epidurals gave him a few days of relief after each time, and the next step is a nerve ablation which would eliminate the pain, but also could make his legs go wonky for the rest of his life. He recently went on a vacation to Colorado where he tried some non-THC pot oil, also called CBD. First time in ten years he is pain free, and it will not make you high. Again, not advice, just a story. Don't know the law where you are at, but we just passed legal medical pot here in Florida, and have nurseries producing the CBD strains.

My very selfish motivation for sharing is we all need your back to get better so we can see this girl in the water!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:51 pm
by Fuzz
Funny you should mention that Capeman. My dads doctor had the same recommendation during his last year. And the doc was well over 60 :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:36 pm
by Eric1
Still illegal here in South Carolina. I can tell you it works for pain. When I can't take it anymore with my crappy knees, I light up. In my opinion it's a God given medicine. Best wishes to you my friend.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:50 pm
by TomW1
Rick I know pot is legal in Canada maybe you can get the non-high getting extract mentioned above. I feel for you as a bad back is a pain in the arse, I know I can only work on my feet about an hour now. Same problem I had in the Navy.

Keep hanging in there and do what you can, one step at a time and it will be done sooner than you know. :D

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Haven't smoked pot in over 35 yrs! :lol: IIRC it was usually home grown sh*t around here. Heard they're making it legal for recreational use in Canada but I don't know if that's all in place yet or not. The family Physician and I will discuss pain management at my next appt. Until then I'm kinda doing Ok by pacing myself and taking a few ibuprofen when needed.

Today I got the upper portion of Frame B tabbed to the hull and Frame D set in place. I'll line it up and glue it to the hull tomorrow.

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I'll just keep plugging away till I fall down and can't get back up. :roll: Few more pics on the blog: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/06/bet ... tures.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:08 pm
by pee wee
The stage your build is at looks like it's more fun than sanding the hull, more variety of tasks. Looking good, don't fall down now!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:48 pm
by terrulian
Rick,
I doubt if I could do five hours of that, and I don't have a bad back! You da man.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Putzed around some more today. Back really seized up last night. Took it easy. After a fresh look at Frame D this morning I realized I had it all frigged up. The way I did it the thing floats in air so has to be braced eight ways from Sunday to get it in the proper place. After taking a wee tumble and wrecking it for the second time I cut some 2 x 4's for braces! :?

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This part is on the starboard side just ahead of the v-berth. It'll likely become the Admiral's sewing table. And another overall view.

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Measured twenty times. It's plumb & square as it should be. It'll get tabbed into place tomorrow along with Frame A. Gonna buy some cheap sheeting ply and put in some temporary decks.

Thanks for the kind words fellas.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:32 pm
by jacquesmm
Nice to see progress.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:06 pm
by cape man
I'm starting to see it! Keep on building my man! A body in motion, stays in motion!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:08 am
by Fuzz
Putting in some cheap level decking will be some of the best money you will ever spend. Every part of your body will thank you :D
Hang in there, one bite at a time as The Man would say.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Frame A and D now tabbed to the hull. I ran out of glue (epoxy & wood flour w/little cabosil) so ordered more. I hope to drop Frame F in tomorrow. That's the front part of the main cabin. Will have to build stairs over the engine space and down into the forward cabin. Engine should be finished soon.


Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:36 pm
by terrulian
:D :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sometimes life throws you curve balls and you have to make a 90 deg course change. That happened just about 3 weeks ago. The wife went to work as usual. At 3:30 in the aft they called her into the Mgmr's office and handed her a letter. This letter terminated her 15 yr employment with the company and she had 5 minutes to gather her stuff and leave the building. There was no cause (on my wife's part) for her termination. Twenty-Nine others got it as well. She was the only one of the mgmt team to be terminated. This, as you can imagine, accelerated our retirement plan for her by 18 months. We immediately started searching for a used RV. There's no way in hell I'm going to let us sit here on the couch and rot till we die. We found a cream puff RV.

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It's a '94 Regal/Triple E, 29'. 80,000 kms (50,000 mi). We're the third owners. Everything works like a charm except the generator was removed a few years ago for service and never put back in. Not a big deal. We named the RV 'Meander' (Me and her). Everything and everybody gets a name! :lol:

I fabri-cobbled a drawer to hold our lil' Honda.

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7" Magellan GPS and backup camera installed today. Apologize for the crappy pic.

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I know this is like turning to the Dark Side of the Force but it's gotta get us outta here for awhile. Our first Grandson is 3500 kms away in Grande Prairie Alberta and we'll be there for his first birthday in early October.

The boat project will take a definite back seat for awhile. It wasn't going well this year anyways. Every time the shed would dry up enough the clouds would open up again and I'd get flooded back out. Hard to level the boat when that happens. Didn't know we had a Monsoon season up here! *Sigh*

I'm still tinkering on the boat from time to time. The engine isn't back from service on the fuel injector pump yet. I dread getting that bill. I will, God permitting, get the engine set in the boat this year. :?

So there you have it, for those that were curious what we've been up to.

Cheers mates. Keep on building!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:39 pm
by Jeff
Knottybuoyz, very sorry to hear about the spouse!! Sometimes people who run companies forget who actually make the business turn!! Regardless, very nice Rig!! You guys will be travelling in comfort!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:39 pm
by terrulian
Always good to hear an update, Rick, even if it's land-based.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:22 pm
by Rickk
Sorry about your wife's situation. I've been there, ain't fun. It motivated us to pay off everything so in case it happens again, we're safe. I landed another job and am now ready to retire in 200+ days.
We bought a used RV also - a '97 40' Newmar London Aire Diesel Pusher. I have been knocking off a list of to do's on her for a little while, we've "glamped" in her once and she's about ready to roll around the US.
Enjoy whichever way you decide to turn.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:41 pm
by TomW1
Hey Rick sorry to here about your wife. But unfortunately it happens and my wife had the same thing happen to her. What a bummer. Hey head west and enjoy your grandson. Spend some time chilling out and relaxing and forgetting about anything else. When you get back you can worry about building the boat

Take care of your self and your better half.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:27 pm
by cape man
Love your response! Go! Enjoy!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:52 am
by Eric1
My hat's off to you! What a great way to deal with a crappy situation! For what it's worth send me the business owner's picture. That way I can kick him/her in the crotch if I ever meet him.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:39 pm
by blueflood
Hey Rick, that is a drag but you and your wife made a great move ! Should be a blast to drive and just take your time. Enjoy, my friend !

Marc
At least check in once in a while :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:09 am
by colinhart
Best of luck Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:12 pm
by BB Sig
Way to take the lemons and make lemonade! :lol: Have a safe and fun journey. Rest up and come back to boat building full speed ahead.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:24 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

Enjoy your RV and your new plans.
In French they would say 'reculer pour mieux sauter' - 'to step back in order to jump further'... The bb virus will hit you sooner or later, keep us informed.

Good luck,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's.

Thanks for the kind words. I just dunno what else to say. I'll putter away on the boat as best I can but the RV still needs a few things before we head out on our big adventure. Installed the generator on a slide out drawer last week. Tucks away nicely. Was half planning on doing something similar for the boat. Dunno if it would work that well.
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Yesterday I installed a set of aux driving lamps. High intensity LED's. Doesn't show in the pic but they're bright. Just a few tweaks to get them lined up properly. Again, these were intended to be deck floods for the boat! :lol:
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I think choosing shrink wrap plastic to cover my bow shed was probably the worst choice ever. I seem to spend a lot of time fixing it. Day before yesterday I had to climb up on it again and weld in some patches. I'm not much of a shed climbing monkey anymore. :roll:
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A few repairs on the other side of the shed this week, if it ever stops raining, and it should be good for the winter. *fingers crossed*

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's.

I'm still alive! The monsoons seem to have stopped. Been trying to get some maintenance done on the shed. I really regret using the shrink wrap plastic on this thing. Other than the cheap initial cost it's been a real PITA to deal with. Hopefully only a few more years.

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Regular tarps are sh*t. They don't even last a year. This has got to be the 7th time I've re-wrapped the cabin roof in 7 years.

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Have started to notice a lil' bit of delamination around the edges. Don't know if it'll even be usable by the time it's ready to go on the boat.

Other than that not much done on the boat. Trying to fit the skeg but it's a beotch doing it alone. Trying to recruit helpers isn't working.

Now that we have delux mobile accomodations (RV) you're all invited to come visit and help out. :wink:

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
And now for something completely different! :lol:

The rains seem to have let up for awhile. Whoever out there is doing the rain dances, please stop! :?

Working hard trying to stop 'over thinking' every detail of this project. Just picked a task and go to it this morning.

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Filled the rudder voids with expanding foam. First time I've ever used this stuff. Neat.

More pics & a video on today's blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/08/ove ... hings.html

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:26 pm
by terrulian
Now that we have delux mobile accomodations (RV) you're all invited to come visit and help out.
Honestly, Rick, that sounds like fun. But where is Ontario again? If it's not in northern California I'm sorry to say I'm out...
Although to make a liar out of myself I'm heading to Oregon for the eclipse. May be the last time my wife and I ever leave home. We like it here anyway, so...
I guess I'll have to try to help vicariously, and you know what that's worth. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:36 pm
by terrulian
Just saw the video with the foam. Great stuff. You're using carbon fiber on the rudder? Is that something to do with unsprung weight, like a car? :lol:

I've only used the foam a couple of times and had about the same approach, like, what is going to happen? Is it happening or not? Holy moly! etc.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:48 am
by Marshall Moser
Thanks for the video. Way cool.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:26 pm Honestly, Rick, that sounds like fun. But where is Ontario again? If it's not in northern California I'm sorry to say I'm out...
Although to make a liar out of myself I'm heading to Oregon for the eclipse. May be the last time my wife and I ever leave home. We like it here anyway, so...
I guess I'll have to try to help vicariously, and you know what that's worth. :roll:
I'm guessing that we're about 3000 miles due east of you Tony! :lol:

If you look at a map of North America and find New York State, we're up on the St. Lawrence River about a 50 miles downstream from Lake Ontario.

Enjoy the eclipse!

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:42 am
by terrulian
Enjoy the eclipse!
Actually, I'm getting nervous about it. Predictions of the roads so blocked that you will not be moving for hours. They're advising having everything you need to survive with you. Not sure how that's going to work with toilets. Hotels have been booked solid for over a year at double and triple and more the normal rate. Campsites are going for $200 if you can get one.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:42 am
by Jaysen
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:31 am If you look at a map of North America and find New York State, we're up on the St. Lawrence River about a 50 miles downstream from Lake Ontario.
The Chateaugay area? When we lived up in NY we would vacation up there and use NY30/CA138 to go to Montreal. Acquaintances had a pile of land up there and we'd get to camp on it for a few weeks. Trout for dinner is really hard to beat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:45 am
by Jaysen
terrulian wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:42 am
Enjoy the eclipse!
Actually, I'm getting nervous about it. Predictions of the roads so blocked that you will not be moving for hours. They're advising having everything you need to survive with you. Not sure how that's going to work with toilets. Hotels have been booked solid for over a year at double and triple and more the normal rate. Campsites are going for $200 if you can get one.
Sounds like the doomsayers are just as good at stirring up trouble today as they were 2 centuries ago...

Stay off the interstates and you'll probably be fine. I95 here is FREQUENTLY a parking lot. Get on a two lane and there is no one to be seen. No one seems willing to ignore the GPS. All that's missing is a cliff for the lemmings to go over...

A few days at sea might do me some good. Problem would be me remembering to come back.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:03 pm
by pee wee
Jaysen wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:45 am
terrulian wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:42 am
Enjoy the eclipse!
Actually, I'm getting nervous about it. Predictions of the roads so blocked that you will not be moving for hours. They're advising having everything you need to survive with you. Not sure how that's going to work with toilets. Hotels have been booked solid for over a year at double and triple and more the normal rate. Campsites are going for $200 if you can get one.
Sounds like the doomsayers are just as good at stirring up trouble today as they were 2 centuries ago...

Stay off the interstates and you'll probably be fine. I95 here is FREQUENTLY a parking lot. Get on a two lane and there is no one to be seen. No one seems willing to ignore the GPS. All that's missing is a cliff for the lemmings to go over...

A few days at sea might do me some good. Problem would be me remembering to come back.
Remembering the 1996 Olympic games held in Atlanta, people were so freaked out by predictions of massive crowds that they stayed off the roads and it was a breeze getting anywhere. Hotels were booked solid and people were trying to rent out their houses for $$$$$/night; we let a nice couple from my wife's company stay in our extra bedroom for only $200/night, well below the going rate. Those houses didn't get rented out, there were even hotel rooms to be had. That eclipse can be seen in a swath right across the continent, but Jaysen is right about people/lemmings. My wife always says if there is a line people will stand in it, even if they're not sure what it's for.
Enjoy the eclipse, Rick. Actually, they say it will be visible as a total eclipse as far south as Clayton, Georgia.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:16 pm
by terrulian
I'll report back. Right now my concern is that I have to be about 600 miles south of there by the next morning to teach on the first day of school.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:37 pm
by Jaysen
terrulian wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:16 pm I'll report back. Right now my concern is that I have to be about 600 miles south of there by the next morning to teach on the first day of school.
I've done a bit of travel by road, and being youngish I may be more energetic...

Travel the back roads not the interstates.
Travel well AFTER the end of the event if possible.
Leave before everyone else and drive fast if you can't leave early.
Split travel by doing "rest" in a motel 6 for a 4hr nap before getting on the interstate.
Take public transit and let someone else worry about all that.
Do not stop at travel centers, mom-and-pop places are just as fast and less busy.
Make "bio breaks" every 150 mi.
Fill up car every bio break.

If you use GPS consider turning on "avoid freeways" for the heavy traffic areas. That gets you on back roads and, in my experience, is much faster when there are events like this in play. It feels slower but less true stopped on the side of the road, more stop and go.

I'll be watching my my office in Charleston. Lucky for me the commute is just a couple blocks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:34 pm
by terrulian
Not much to pick from for routes from here to there. Interstate 5 to Weed, State 97 to Madras. Eastern Oregon is wide open country with not a lot of options. I talked to Oregon State Police and they, oddly, were not anticipating a problem. We'll see. There are webcams all along the way, but since you're pretty much stuck on your route all that will do is freak you out. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:36 pm
by Jaysen
While our collective favorite way to pass idle time may be imbibing copious amounts or rum, I would NOT recommend that for idle time in a traffic jam.

Good luck!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:09 pm
by terrulian
I'll try to remember that.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
We're not quite as far downstream as Chateauguay. Iroquois is still in Ontario about 2 hrs drive from Montreal and an hour from Kingston.

The eclipse is supposed to peak here at 66% coverage. No plans to travel south to see it any better.

We'll be leaving in the RV for Grande Prairie Alberta in just under a month. We'll cross into the US at Sault St. Marie Michigan and traverse Michigan, Minnesota and North Dakota before crossing back into Saskatchewan south of Regina. We refer to that as the 'Southern Bypass'. Supposed to be much flatter than Northern Ontario. Cheaper gas, Rum & Smokes too! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It hasn't rained in 36 hrs! Wohoo! We may have turned the corner. Oh wait. Fack! More nasty weather in the forecast! :roll:

Anyhow I managed to get some puttering in. Two aft bulkheads glassed. Boat leveled (for now). And some poo on the rudder. Never, ever pour that two part foam over plastic sheeting! Never! :?

Web log updated: https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2017/08/jus ... round.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:59 pm
by Eric1
Rick those frames look nice! :D That foam looks like it was a PITA to clean up.
I have never used it but I've been told it sticks to everything it touches.
Carry On!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:01 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick,
I admire you to have worked with as much as 20 ounces of epoxy in one go and then the good outcome. Your foam pouring on plastic and that it sticks so well gave me the idea to do just that, because I would like to cover all my removeable lead ballast pieces with foam which is not so nice if the surface of the lead block is just covered with it. I will try to place each lead quader in the middle of a zip lock plastic bag leaving it a bit open to let exessive foam to escape. I will report if it worked. I want it foam covered because if it falls on your foot it is sore, I know because it happened to me once ( 3 kg ) and since then I was thinking about foam. I wish you dry weather for your progress.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words Karl & Eric.

Good idea covering the ballast with plastic. It would be a real b*tch getting it out with the foam all over it. That stuff gets pretty hard when fully cured.

When you're building a behemoth like this 20 oz of epoxy is nuttin'! :lol: I think the largest pour was likely on the bottom panels and they were at least half a gallon. Spread with large squeegee then rolled out and squeegeed again. That was some really heavy glass, 33 oz/yd IIRC.

Today was some sanding on Frame H and I.

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Still fairing the rudder. What a mess I made with the two part foam. Glad I'll never have to do that again and if I do it won't be done that way!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:44 pm
by Eric1
Looking good Rick. :D I gave myself the weekend off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I have no idea what a 'weekend' is since 2012 when the Gubment set me out on the curb. :wink:

One more round of fairing on the rudder before I get to glassing & carbon fiber it.
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My advice for anyone attempting this don't use that two part foam to fill the core. Don'! FWIW

I've gotten Frame I trimmed and ready to be tabbed into place tomorrow. Had to consult the plans for exact placement. "Remember The Baseline"! :?
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Got about two weeks left before we head out on our big RV adventure. I'm hoping to get the upper portion of Frame E in place before then. Pretty much given up hope of getting my engine back in time to set it in the boat. I dunno WTF it is but this is the second place that's taken months and months to service a friggin' fuel injection pump. Is my money not good enough? :doh: </rant>

That's 'bout it. More pics & nonsense tomorrow.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:53 pm
by terrulian
Rick,
That sucks with the fuel pumps, and I'm sorry you had such a bad time with the rudder. It sure looked like a good plan from here. Looks fine now, though.
No videos?

Cheers, and have a great time with the land yacht.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:46 am
by colinhart
You make me glad I used bought in sheet foam for the rudder. Hopefully I have just ordered my last 30 kg of epoxy on this build. I hope you have a great time on your road trip I will miss the posts it getting a bit lonely building the TW28 make sure you post some pictures of the journy

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:53 pm Rick,
That sucks with the fuel pumps, and I'm sorry you had such a bad time with the rudder. It sure looked like a good plan from here. Looks fine now, though.
No videos?

Cheers, and have a great time with the land yacht.
Just the one video lately T. Just some expanding foam mess!

https://youtu.be/XHUjhEYAlbE

The rudder will be fine I'm sure. Just more fairing than I had hoped for. Going to try a 'resin infusion' on it maybe next week so standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:46 am You make me glad I used bought in sheet foam for the rudder. Hopefully I have just ordered my last 30 kg of epoxy on this build. I hope you have a great time on your road trip I will miss the posts it getting a bit lonely building the TW28 make sure you post some pictures of the journy
Will do Colin. It's going to be an adventure! 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Little more puttering around before the eclipse! 8O

Got bulkhead I tabbed into place. Bit of a PITA getting it to stay in place. Got her done!
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It was 30 C in the shed with the humidity it was closer to 37 C. Dunno what that is in degrees F. Too lazy to look it up. I was sweating buckets but I pushed through it. Hope my sweat doesn't contaminate the epoxy! :lol:

Wasn't much of a an eclipse in this part of the world. About 62% coverage. We were equipped with welding helmets.
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That's enough nonsense for now.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:43 pm
by Eric1
That's hot in my book! Good work Rick. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Roughing in the base for the rudder stuffing box.
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Got frustrated with wind tearing the crap out of my boat shed so I quit for the day. :roll:

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:39 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Man....that was a big one 8O We were all by the building window at work looking out and I was thinking about the shelter and the boat damage to be seen when I get there. Phew...Gatineau Park was spared and nothing got blown off. What weird weather patterns we are having this year. Hope your end came out somewhat OK :roll: I want to drop by before you leave and see that baby :D

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:39 am Hi Rick,

Man....that was a big one 8O We were all by the building window at work looking out and I was thinking about the shelter and the boat damage to be seen when I get there. Phew...Gatineau Park was spared and nothing got blown off. What weird weather patterns we are having this year. Hope your end came out somewhat OK :roll: I want to drop by before you leave and see that baby :D

Marc
Just let me know when you're coming Marc so I'll make sure I'm here.

Another 30 deg day in the shed. Some more fairing on the rudder. Made a 'SandInsanity' video the other day! :lol: I know you guys luv those sanding vids! :?

https://youtu.be/N_8mOZmhbiM

Tabbing in another bulkhead tomorrow.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:38 pm
by terrulian
Damn! Suckered into another sanding video!
Maybe we need a sanding support group.
"Hi, I'm Tony and I'm a sander.
I remember when I bought my first sheet of sandpaper. It seemed so innocent and simple at the time. Just one little sheet. What could go wrong? But it led to a lifetime of humiliation and frustration."

What're you sanding there? Is that still the foam?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:37 am
by MrPaul
I'm strong enough to know I need to join the support group. Eric may need an intervention :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:52 am
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:37 am I'm strong enough to know I need to join the support group. Eric may need an intervention :lol:
Hello my name is Eric....I'm a Sandaholic. It's been four day since I last touched sandpaper. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:13 am
by narfi
Hello.
My name is Narfi, I am a sandaholic.
It's been 6.5 hours since I last touched sandpaper.
I have trouble sleeping now as I feel the urge to sand until 1am.
I have trouble unlocking my phone now as my fingerprints have long since been destroyed :/

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:19 pm
by Jeff
Really nice guys!!!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:13 am Hello.
My name is Narfi, I am a sandaholic.
It's been 6.5 hours since I last touched sandpaper.
I have trouble sleeping now as I feel the urge to sand until 1am.
I have trouble unlocking my phone now as my fingerprints have long since been destroyed :/
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:38 pm Damn! Suckered into another sanding video!
Maybe we need a sanding support group.
"Hi, I'm Tony and I'm a sander.
I remember when I bought my first sheet of sandpaper. It seemed so innocent and simple at the time. Just one little sheet. What could go wrong? But it led to a lifetime of humiliation and frustration."

What're you sanding there? Is that still the foam?
Mother of Xrist! You guys crack me up! :lol:

I'm afraid there's no '12 step' program for this affliction. :roll: You just gotta work it out of your system. I've tried to ween myself off but it doesn't work. The urges come back stronger & stronger every time I try. :cry:

That's some Quickfair over the foam T. Still got a couple more coats to go. Almost there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok. Today's update. No sanding video's. Sorry. I know you're disappointed. :wink:

Aligning Frame G prior to glue & tape. Putsy job. At least it hasn't rained in almost a week. Boat has settled back down and I was able to get it level. I'm just fussy that way.
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I'll get it tabbed into place tomorrow. Now that the boat is level I can get back to the underside and try to attach the skeg.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:26 am
by Knottybuoyz
For anyone that's interested we'll document our RV Adventure here:

http://meander-2017.blogspot.ca/

This could get ugly! :?

We blast off day after tomorrow (Sunday Sept. 10th)

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:04 pm
by TomW1
Rick you and your wife have a safe trip. Your starting out on a good day my 65th birthday. :D

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:07 pm
by narfi
Have fun!
What else do you need in retirement besides and RV and a houseboat?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:03 pm
by colinhart
bon voyage have a great time

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fella's.

I didn't think anything could get worse gas mileage than my Jeep! Ho boy! :lol: Avg about 30 cdn cents per kilomater. Dunno what that would be in US or Aus or Euro's.

First day was about 500 kms and we overnighted in Parry Sound Ontario on the banks of Georgian Bay. Had bacon and eggs for breaky today then headed out again. Another 500 kms and we are now in Sault St. Maria Michigan at a Walmart. Tomorrow we head west across the top of Michigan and into Wisconsin.

So far so good. At least I haven't left the wife on the curb somewhere although the thought had crossed my mind a few times! :wink:

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:35 pm
by Larry B
Knottybuoyz wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:09 pm Thanks fella's.

I didn't think anything could get worse gas mileage than my Jeep! Ho boy! :lol: Avg about 30 cdn cents per kilomater.
If my math is correct that comes out to about .48 U.S. Cents per U.S. mile :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
$1088 Cdn / 4200 km = $0.26 Cdn/km
$881 US / 2610 mi = $0.34 US/mi

Is my math wrong?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:27 pm
by Fuzz
If it makes you feel any better the IRS says the full cost of driving is 53 cents per mile :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:35 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:27 pm If it makes you feel any better the IRS says the full cost of driving is 53 cents per mile :D
That's comforting to know! :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
To make a long story short, we survived our 10,000 km (6000 mi) trip to Grande Prairie Ab and back, barely. Week before we were to head home the wife got in a car accident and totaled our little Toyota life boat. It was bad. Pickup truck ran a stop sign on a divided highway and Lori t-boned it at about 70 kph. Air bags did their job and protected her as best they could. She's got a fractured right ankle and multiple soft tissue injuries to her chest and upper arms. As well as a burn from the air bag on her chest. What's most worrying are the traumatic stress she's under. She wakes up crying after dreaming about the accident. Mostly she sleeps upright in a chair. She was that way the entire trip home in the RV.

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It was good to spend time with my future boat builder buddy! :D

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Time to pack up all the boat stuff for yet another winter. Engine comes home tomorrow with at $3400 repair bill. :( Wasn't expecting that. 8O

Anywho, all's good now. C'ya all in the spring.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:45 am
by willg
That's a terrible-looking crash. I am so glad she came out of it as well as she did and I hope she steadily recovers in every way. Thank god for the air bags.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:50 am
by terrulian
That's really terrible, Rick. :( Very sorry to hear about it. Best wishes to her.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:04 am
by peter-curacao
O man that looks bad, hope she gets well soon!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:27 am
by Jeff
Rick, horrible crash!! Wishing her the very best to get well!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:25 pm
by Corto Maltese
OMG! Best wishes!
Cute boat builder (that on the right side of pic).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:53 pm
by Rickk
Whoa!! Glad Lori's ok.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:51 am
by colinhart
Lovely looking Grandkid, hope the wife is okay, wow the engine cost is a bit of a killer, spending all my time sanding the bloody boat when weather permits I will be so glad to finish this part of the build all the best Rick have a good winter

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:32 am
by cape man
So glad she made it through that one! Makes my stomach spin when I see something like that. Hope your winter is calm and relaxing for all.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:44 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all the kind words fella's. The ole' woman is still in pretty rough shape. I'd trade her in for a couple of 25 yr olds but that would probably put me in the poor house. :roll:

Got my lil' huffer back on Saturday.

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Most of the cost of the repair was on shop labour. At $175/hr it didn't take long to rack up a couple boat units in charges. :?

Should be worry free from here. I've tucked it away for the winter and will get it in the boat as soon as I can in the spring. Keep your fingers crossed for a reasonable spring, not like this past spring where it rained for 3 months straigh.

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Standby

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:51 am
by Dougster
"I'd trade her in for a couple of 25 yr olds but that would probably put me in the poor house."

Last year or so the wife and I were out on a morning walk with a few neighbors. One, who married a younger gal, was walking with his wife who had just celebrated her 40th birthday. He jokingly spoke of trading her in for two 20 year olds. She didn't miss a beat and said: " Baby, you're not wired for 220."
:lol:

Thinkin' she won that one Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:35 am
by MrPaul
Knottybuoyz wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:44 am Thanks for all the kind words fella's. The ole' woman is still in pretty rough shape. I'd trade her in for a couple of 25 yr olds but that would probably put me in the poor house. :roll:
You are correct. A wise man once told me: "A much younger woman only has interest in 1 bulge in your pants. Its the one your wallet makes in your back pocket." :lol:

I hope your wife is feeling better soon.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas.

Question: do any of you use LED floods in your boat sheds/shops? I'm looking at taking the faulty fluorescents out of the shed and replacing them with these.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KFVFQEI/_e ... V9EZ&psc=1

Not too much worried about colour (I'm colour blind) but not sure how much brightness they will throw. Says a 150 watt LEd is equiv. to a 500 watt halogen. I'm thinking 4 x 150 watt should be able to light up the boat shed like a ball park.

Lemme know what you think.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:09 pm
by colinhart
Just replaced my ones in the workshop (20 years old) with new tube bright white types really cheap compared with led tubes and the light output is really very good not as efficient as led but only a 6th of the price.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:09 pm Just replaced my ones in the workshop (20 years old) with new tube bright white types really cheap compared with led tubes and the light output is really very good not as efficient as led but only a 6th of the price.
The fixtures I have are toast. IIRC I only paid 5 bucks each. The lamps cost more! Anyhow I ordered two cheapy LED's, 250 watts each. See how that goes. If they toss enough light I'll buy two more better ones when the cheapies croak.

With just a lil' less than a week left in Mexico I ordered:

Epoxy
Wood Flour
Cabosil
8" 18 oz tape, 95 yds
24 F Clamps
& some rubber gasket material

Will be picking up 60 bf of white oak when I get home. Start back to work for the gubment on March 6th. but only working 3 days a week. Hoping to get a lot done this year before we bug-out in the RV for our visit to Grande Prairie mid September.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:24 pm
by colinhart
Look forward to seeing pics of progress

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:32 pm
by colinhart
What are you using the white oak for?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:44 pm
by Eric1
I look forward to more boat work from you! I'm sick of those horrible vacation pictures on facebook!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:32 pm What are you using the white oak for?
Mostly for furniture framing. It's relatively cheap and plentiful here.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:05 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Season Seven :roll: is underway!

Shed's been flooded since the snow left. Mother Nature decided to follow up that late spring snow with howling winds! Of course, as it was no surprise, she proceeded to rip off a good portion of the boat shed roof. Here's my buddy Andrew up on the ladder making emergency repairs.

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I'm out of the blue shrink wrap plastic. The stuff he's putting up now is greenhouse plastic. Supposed to be guaranteed for 10 yrs. We'll see. If this holds up I might redo the entire shed.

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It lets in more light but also could turn the boat shed into a true sauna! You can see where the Tyvek is coming down. That's because our stoopid Rag Doll cat, Junior, likes to get inbetween the blue plastic and the Tyvek and walk around. :oops: If it wasn't for the fact that Jr's such a big dumb entertaining goof he'd likely of been put in the stew pot by now!

Question for all you knowledgeable boat builders. Do you have any idea what kind of wood this swim platform is made of? I'm guessing white oak.

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Did a clean up around the boat and made room to move the engine from the trailer to the shed tomorrow. :wink:

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:17 pm
by terrulian
Those things are usually teak. Maybe it's bleached?

Rick, man, get back to work!! Don't you realize we're starved for entertainment out here? Think of your obligations to the fans of sanding videos. 8O :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:45 pm
by TomW1
Rick it is not white oak doesn't have the graining for oak. It looks more like teak in its natural form. Who did you buy it from they should have told you what it was made from. It is a very well made piece of workmanship. :D Here is what teak looks like in its natural state. https://www.boatoutfitters.com/material/marine-lumber or https://www.woodcraft.com/products/teak ... -2-x-2-x-6

Tom.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:35 pm
by Jaysen
Seems a little grainy for white oak. I’d expect lower contrast and tighter ringing. But If it’s stained and flat sawn it might be. Apprehend seems more like a cedar to me.

Is that freshly sanded on top?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:39 pm
by OrangeQuest
Could it be a rosewood of some sort? Or even Kingwood? But it has been to long since I played ID this wood. It does look like some kind of a rosewood with such a wide range of how the growth rings look.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/rose ... sq-ft-pack

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:03 pm
by Fuzz
So you are starting your seventh building season :help: I think most folks do not understand the pure endurance it takes to build a big boat by yourself. My hat is off to any and all who do it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:15 pm
by glossieblack
Great to see you're back at it Rick. Now get that engine in. It might motivate me to get mine back in! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:29 pm
by TomW1
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:39 pm Could it be a rosewood of some sort? Or even Kingwood? But it has been to long since I played ID this wood. It does look like some kind of a rosewood with such a wide range of how the growth rings look.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/rose ... sq-ft-pack
OQ it is definitely not rosewood. Just not enough grain or wide enough graining and the color is wrong. Here I have put up the grain and reddish color of rosewood vs. the finer grain and brown of teak. https://www.woodcraft.com/categories/ve ... D=Rosewood

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:33 pm
by BarraMan
Fuzz wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:03 pm So you are starting your seventh building season :help: I think most folks do not understand the pure endurance it takes to build a big boat by yourself. My hat is off to any and all who do it.
Indeed, sometimes I think I'll build another boat, then I look back through my build pics and I think to myself, "No way can I do that again"! And my build is nothing of the scale of a TW28.

I think I have mentioned before that I have the plans for a 44' cruising trawler, but I soon realised that I would have had to start that build in my 40's to have any hope of completion by retirement age.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:20 am
by Fuzz
I understand you Barraman. I have a 45 foot hull and a lot of what is needed to put it together in my yard. I just do not think I could hang with it long enough to finish it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:41 am
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:20 am I understand you Barraman. I have a 45 foot hull and a lot of what is needed to put it together in my yard. I just do not think I could hang with it long enough to finish it.
I'm sure Noah felt the same way!

:lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the info & laugh's fellas. That's not my swim platform. Just poached that off the web. It's what I would like to build. I have access to a lot of white oak, for cheap, and was wondering if it would be suitable for a platform. I know teak is the norm but it's near $15/bf around here.

Yeah, 7 yrs already. Lost pretty much 1 yr to injuries. Those have slowed me down a lot. Wish I had done this in my 40's or earlier. Anyhow, will struggle through as best I can. Gonna get the engine off the trailer and into the shed today if it kills me.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:09 am
by Jaysen
White oat would work, but there’s a reason it isn’t used. It will rot quite a bit faster than the traditional woods used. If I were to build it out of white oak, I’d make sure to...
1. Make every piece removable independently
2. Encapsulate each piece in epoxy.
3. Over drill/fill screw holes.
4. Use a marine poly to protect the epoxy

Compare that to real which would be
1. Coat in varnish

Other may have differing opinions. That’s just what I would do.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:25 am
by terrulian
Compare that to real which would be
1. Coat in varnish
Not sure what this would mean. Real easy?

White oak is often used in boats but I find it kind of annoying to work with. However, I'm not a real woodworker.

Teak prices are like gold, but you might see if you can find some Okoume lumber and price it out.
Another alternative is to use Okoume plywood and do some laminating. I think you could make the whole thing out of one sheet and although there would be a bit of cutting a gluing involved, you're up to it.
I had good luck with this and I think it looks OK. I had to search around for an image that shows the edge; maybe you can't live with that.
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:05 pm
by Jaysen
Stupid idiot who can’t post complete thoughts!

That should have been “compare that to real teak...”

It would be much longer lived and easier to maintain in my opinion.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:28 pm
by terrulian
On a barely related note: I just had to take a test for a "Boater's Card" for the State of California. I am way over-certified already for the sailing classes I teach but somehow there is a gap in the regs which means my Master's ticket doesn't cover me for times non-certified boaters are at the helm. When I teach sailing, I try to avoid touching the helm, and my students are all non-certified. So, I had to get the card.
Point is, one of the questions on the test concerned "teak surfing." Maybe you guys know what it is but I'd never heard of it. Anyway, it means grabbing on to the (teak) swim platform at the stern while the boat is operated at terrifying speeds. The main danger of this is that you suck up carbon monoxide from the exhaust. Now, perhaps some folks don't get around much and are not aware that sucking up exhaust fumes is a popular way to commit suicide. In fact, a buddy of mine accomplished it in just this fashion. At any rate, I am now cautioned against doing something that would never have occurred to me in a million years as fun.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:37 pm
by TomW1
Rick I agree with Jayson, you could go with oak but it will rot out within 7-10 years, maybe even less. It will be in constant contact with water and will have some small pockets that will hold water. I would build it as he suggests so you can replace a piece if it rots and go on with the rest of the platform. I would also use a good polyurethane like EMC. With teak it will not rot even after 20 years, just keep it stained every year or so.

Good luck on your decision. I guess it's $ vs. longevity. :D

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:13 pm
by Jaysen
Teak surfing? What dingle bat thought that was a good idea? I’ve heard of folks on blow boats bathing by hanging on to a line but behind a motor boat? We don’t need those genes in the pool.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:38 pm
by terrulian
Teak surfing, my man. Don't know if they do it in teams. :roll: 8O

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:53 pm
by Jaysen
I'm having a terrible day with the phone keyboard. I should just go take a nap. I've fixed it...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:05 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:53 pm I'm having a terrible day with the phone keyboard. I should just go take a nap. I've fixed it...
I am betting it has something to do with a bottle of rum :wink:

Teak surfing...........oh to live in the great state of California :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:26 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:05 pm
Jaysen wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:53 pm I'm having a terrible day with the phone keyboard. I should just go take a nap. I've fixed it...
I am betting it has something to do with a bottle of rum :wink:
Don’t I wish. Driving day.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Charlie don't teak surf! :lol:

I'll keep my eyes open for deals on teak. Not something I need right away anyways. Just gotta get myself in the right place at the right time.

Yesterday and today I cleaned up the shed a bit. Got the uprights in place to support the I-beam that'll lift the engine up and into the boat.

First step was getting the engine off the trailer. It spent the winter there under a tarp. Doesn't appear to be any worse for the wear.

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Back on the ground, safe & secure.

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First up on the list this morning was getting the uprights in place to support the i-beam. Simple 6x6's. Held in place with ratchet straps.

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Some of you might remember the gin pole? Well it's been repurposed! :wink: It's only gotta hold long 'nuff to get the engine up and into the boat~! *Fingers Crossed*

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Wheels are up and she's holding the weight of the engine/trans (565 lbs) with no problems. No moans or groans or cracks coming from the bow shed either.

That's it till Friday when I plan to hoist that anchor and put it in the bilge! :lol:

Standby......

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:35 pm
by Eric1
Looking good !! Build On!! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 9:13 am
by colinhart
best of luck Rik hope it goes okay

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 9:13 am best of luck Rik hope it goes okay
:)

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Couple more pics here.... https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2018/05/yea ... nning.html

Video: https://youtu.be/yqJ7e7QJIII

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 2:07 pm
by TomW1
She sure looks pretty on her bed.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:28 pm
by Rickk
Looks great - a real milestone - Congrats Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:17 am
by pee wee
Nice to see things are progressing up there in the boat shed, looks good!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just cleaning up the mess Mother Nature made in my boat shed over the winter.

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Few more pics & blah blah blah here... https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2018/05/spring-cleanup.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:52 pm
by Fuzz
I bet you are going to be happy when you have some flat places to stand on. Looks like you have things cleaned up good and ready to move ahead.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:11 pm
by pee wee
Looking good, Rick!

A little while back you brought up the subject of teak and the question of a suitable (less expensive) substitute. My most recent Woodshop News had a spotlight on teak(Tectona Grandis, or Burmese teak), mentioning pricing between $7 and $30/bf for 4/4 stock. The article went on to say that iroko (Milicia excelsa) is a wood that has similar properties to teak and is about 1/3 the price of plantation teak. It is sometimes marketed as African teak, but it isn't considered a true teak.

Something to file away for later.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 2:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Hank

I'll stop in the local wood butcher shoppe and see what they have. Probably won't need a whole lot to make a swim platform.

Most everything else will be made with white oak, furniture framing etc. Plentiful and cheap around here.

Rain soaked day, shed is flooded, AGAIN! Fark! :oops:

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 3:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
The rain stopped! Wohoo!

Managed to get the bottom section of a couple of frames glued & taped.

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More pics, video's and ranting on our blog update today; https://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2018/05/yes ... etter.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:22 am
by cape man
So good to see you back at it! One of my favorite builds for sure.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:33 am
by Jeff
Knottybuoyz, Nice to see you back on the build and yes, we have certainly had enough rain down here as well!! And still more to come this week!! Need the sun!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 9:26 am
by terrulian
You put a dog out and it runs around a little and comes back and says "What now, boss? The ball? The park? A walk? Yay!" You put the cat out and it doesn't even look back. They don't dwell on the past. They're so over it.

I look at every one of those You Tube channels you mentioned. I'm especially fond of the Tally-Ho rebuild. Salt and Tar, it turns out, are not too far from me and I may just visit them.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
2018 Boatbuilding Season Intro for She:Kon

https://youtu.be/MN42PloG8c4

No sandinsanity yet fella's. That'll come in a day or two!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:04 am
by Knottybuoyz
Leaning more towards YouTube so far this year. Here's the latest.

https://youtu.be/K85ZriN1_4s

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:10 am
by Jaysen
You you might want embed those in your blog to keep the traffic focused there. It will help folks see the historical context easier. Still upload the vids to you tube, but embed the player in the blog allowing you to send that link vs youtube link.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:26 pm
by terrulian
What Jaysen said. Just click the youtube button on the right next to all the other functions and enter the URL:[youtube]https://youtu.be/K85ZriN1_4s[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Gotcha. Thanks.

'Turn Back Tuesday' Flipping the hull over! :P

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Foytm4qyRQE[/youtube]

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:53 pm
by terrulian
Thanks, Rick...
I think what we had here was a failure on your part to comprehend our level of laziness. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:39 pm
by Jaysen
Actually... I wasn't thinking about "here" as much as "there" where "there" is the knottyBuoyz blog.

But yeah, I'm as lazy as Tony on this.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I'm lazy too. One day I'll put my two functioning neurons to work and figure all this stuff out! :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:29 pm
by Jaysen
If I recall you are using blogspot/blogger to back your blog. all you should have to do is put the youtube URL your post and submit. Then tell us all to watch the video via your blog.

The value to this is more for folks that want to see the whole process OR if you have any hope of add revenue.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 2:29 pm The value to this is more for folks that want to see the whole process OR if you have any hope of add revenue.
Don't even make enough to pay for the Photobucket hosting which doesn't allow posting into the blog. I don't know what to do with it. I have been uploading pix to the blogspot server. I can't dump Photobucket or all the picture links will be broken. Catch 22.

When will all this social media madness end? :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:35 pm
by Jaysen
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 2:49 pm When will all this social media madness end? :?
Right about the time they start shoveling dirt on top of you...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:28 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
Do not worry the most important thing is we see your perfect work on facebook or on the bateau thread or your blog. I like how calm you stay when you make a fillet and glass over it. I remember that I was always on fire and glad when it was over. Maybe I should also have built a bigger boat where the epoxy tasks become more routine. Good luck for the next moves and let us always see them in pictures or videos. For me watching others work on their boat is the best excuse for being lazy on my own outstanding boat tasks.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:44 am
by terrulian
What Karl said. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:55 pm
by TomW1
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 2:49 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 2:29 pm The value to this is more for folks that want to see the whole process OR if you have any hope of add revenue.
Don't even make enough to pay for the Photobucket hosting which doesn't allow posting into the blog. I don't know what to do with it. I have been uploading pix to the blogspot server. I can't dump Photobucket or all the picture links will be broken. Catch 22.

When will all this social media madness end? :?
Speaking of social media, I would love to see Twitter disappear then maybe you know who would not have any thing to say. :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Spent pretty much the whole of last week on my back. Terrible back spasms that dropped me to my knees more than once. Never felt pain like that before. Dunno what caused them. Certainly wasn't overwork on the boat. Feeling much better now and got in about 5 hrs of Sandinsanity. Just cleaning up joints for first or second layer of tape. The stringers need more as well.

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More tomorrow. Maybe a Sandinsanity video eh? Ya like that don'tcha? Sickos! :lol:

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:59 pm
by terrulian
Sorry to hear about the back. Backs are weird. However, I'm relieved to hear the cause wasn't hard work! 8O :help:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:15 am
by pee wee
Looking forward to more Sandinsanity videos! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 pm
by Bogieman
:D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:15 am Looking forward to more Sandinsanity videos! :D
Some therapeutic massage and TENS sessions and back is feeling a lot better. Jumpin' around the boat like a monkey this morning. Sanded the remaining joints to be filleted & taped tomorrow. Kinda burned myself out but it's a good kinda burn out. Still moving ahead slowly.

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I did a blog entry today but not much there. The latest YouTube video though.

https://she-kon.blogspot.com/2018/06/fe ... yways.html

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:39 pm
by Eric1
Kicking butt Rick! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:58 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Nice and cool in the boat shed this morning. Got down to it but ran out of 6 oz tape! Doh! Bring in the BIG GUNS!

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6-hn9Mi4_fA[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So I’m trying to level the boat. Using a large farm jack. Boat is a lot heavier now that engine is in it. I’m leaning all my weight on the jack handle when *Bang* the jack slips off & sends me flying into the back of the shed. Everyone from around comes running to see what happened and they all asked: “Is the boat all right?” :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:02 pm
by terrulian
Fine, very funny. But we would also like to know if you're all right.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:02 pm Fine, very funny. Be we would also like to know if you're all right.
Changed my shorts and went right back to work! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:05 am
by gonandkarl
Good that nothing happened to you Rick. I must congratulate you to the newest videos. You show so perfect how to mount a frame, fillet and glass it into place and if one looks at it several times it stays in the mind and having to do it on ones own boat will be just as easy as you show it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:33 pm
by Fuzz
If the farm jack is the same as I call a handyman jack then they are dangerous :!: Very handy and quick to use but bad things happen in a hurry with them. The handles have been known to supply dentists with new sport cars :roll: Glad you are ok :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 am
by terrulian
Rick,
Saw the new FAQ posting on YouTube. Great stuff.
And I have one more question. You mentioned the tanks but what kind of range do you expect with your fuel capacity?
[youtube]https://youtu.be/cbtyK_6V6UI[/youtube]

PS although I've used it before the YouTube button doesn't seem to work right now.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:53 am
by Jeff
Just watched as well!! Very well done!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:28 pm
by Jaysen
terrulian wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 am [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbtyK_6V6UI[/youtube]

PS although I've used it before the YouTube button doesn't seem to work right now.
Tony, you need to use the short link from the “share” in YouTube. Should be something like https://YouTu.be/qqqq

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:31 pm
by terrulian
Thanks, fixed. Operator error. How can that be?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:04 pm
by Eric1
Good stuff Rick! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fellas. Appreciate the feedback. It helps keep me going!

As for Terrulian's question. I suspect fuel burn, if my calcs are correct somewhere around 1 gph @ 7 kts. That would give us somewhere around 770 nautical miles in perfect conditions. I suppose there'll be some fine tuning involved, prop pitch etc. before we see anything near that. Canal cruising involves a lot of stop & go & sitting & waiting so mileage will vary. We'll probably run out of fresh water and fill the waste tanks long before we'll run out of fuel!

So today was fruitful. Managed to get the skeg attached!

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A few more pics in todays web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.com/2018/06/sk ... stone.html

[youtube]https://youtu.be/-7iacZzao3E[/youtube]

Thanks for watching.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
Apologize for the absense. Still plugging away. Lemme see, since last time I frigged with the rudder shaft tub & backing block. Seen here upside down.
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I glued that sucker into place this morning. Took plenty of navel gazing and brain noodle work to get it where I wanted it. It's in there now and it ain't coming out!
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Yesterday while I was waiting for a small job to cure I puttered with the Python drive and shaft. Just had to see what it looks like hooked up. Python drive bolted to the special bulkhead.
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And here the 1 meter long extended shaft. There's a CV joint at each end.
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Latest Youtube from a few days ago.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/40ZYIKVsxB4[/youtube]

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:14 pm
by blueflood
Hey Rick :D
Too hot to work. I took a day vacation yesterday, got there under the shelter, screwed a few fasteners then left. Drip sweating when only thinking about something and almost dangerous - just about vomited :roll: Must have been ++45 C. Today the same...and tomorrow. Man, we beeatch and complain come winter, then this :lol:

Marc
Not sure how the guys work and deal with this down south. I still have a box full of spares (ports, fittings, etc...for you to look at if interested).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:57 pm
by Rickk
When I rebuilt my boat I was outside under a tarp and had a big fan and was still miserable in the summer. The winter was pretty nice under the tarp.
I always bought a real long tarp, attaching it to the frame so that the extra was on one side. I would unroll the long side of the tarp and use tent poles and stakes to prop it up. That usually let a breeze blow through and made it bearable.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Marc

Sorry, been toiling away in the hot box. :oops: It's been warm but humidity hasn't been too too bad. We do need rain though.

Can you send me a list of what you have and I'll see if I can use any of it. Don't have much time for side trips this year. Heading out in the RV early Sept so boat building season gets cut short (again).

Rick

blueflood wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:14 pm Hey Rick :D
Too hot to work. I took a day vacation yesterday, got there under the shelter, screwed a few fasteners then left. Drip sweating when only thinking about something and almost dangerous - just about vomited :roll: Must have been ++45 C. Today the same...and tomorrow. Man, we beeatch and complain come winter, then this :lol:

Marc
Not sure how the guys work and deal with this down south. I still have a box full of spares (ports, fittings, etc...for you to look at if interested).

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Rikky

I thought about that. Using that blue shrink wrap plastic was a mistake though. could have never made it work.

Thanks for looking in. Appreciate it.

cheers.
Rickk wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:57 pm When I rebuilt my boat I was outside under a tarp and had a big fan and was still miserable in the summer. The winter was pretty nice under the tarp.
I always bought a real long tarp, attaching it to the frame so that the extra was on one side. I would unroll the long side of the tarp and use tent poles and stakes to prop it up. That usually let a breeze blow through and made it bearable.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
I planned this part of the boat project many years before we even started to build it. We've done a few small resin infusion projects and this was a method of construction I knew I wanted to use on this boat. It took me a day and a half to prep the rudder with reinforcements and wrap it in peel ply, flow media and a vacuum bag and only 18 minutes to infuse it. Couldn't be happier with the results.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/62jOR77qYo4[/youtube]

Cheers! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Unbagging the rudder.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/lwm02K9WwLg[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:57 pm
by Eric1
Looks good Rick! :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:16 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick, not sure if you read posts but are you free this saturday ? I could visit and bring the spare items and I don't want to take your time. Will send an email..

Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
blueflood wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:16 pm Hi Rick, not sure if you read posts but are you free this saturday ? I could visit and bring the spare items and I don't want to take your time. Will send an email..

Marc
Hi Mark

Sorry, just got your message here. We're home all day but it's probably too late now. Oh well. Sorry.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
She:Kon interior design. Web log update:

https://she-kon.blogspot.com/2018/08/sh ... esign.html

Standby.... :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:52 pm
by jacquesmm
Very nice. All those features in a boat, great. The colors are a little too strong but good layout.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:25 am
by Knottybuoyz
jacquesmm wrote: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:52 pm Very nice. All those features in a boat, great. The colors are a little too strong but good layout.
It was a fact that Gene Roddenbury liked stuff if it looked good on TV. Back in 1966 RCA was a major sponsor of the show and wanted them to make every as brightly coloured as possible to help sell their color TV sets!

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This is a 'StickOn' they called them I think. They'd move them around the sets to make the small stages look like different parts of the ship. They're often labelled: "DNGN" Does Nothing, Goes Nowhere!

Live long and prosper.

I know, I'm such a major Geek!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ok, now that all that 23rd. Century space nonsense is out of the way back to Planet Earth in the 21st. Century and the boat project.

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:D

Just dry fit but man what a nice feeling! More pics etc. on today's blog update: https://she-kon.blogspot.com/2018/08/sh ... earth.html

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:04 pm
by Fuzz
Those are a couple of big steps to get done :!:
Questions, how are you fastening the cutless housing to the hull? How did you do the shaft log? Can you post a picture of the log on the inside?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:04 pm Those are a couple of big steps to get done :!:
Questions, how are you fastening the cutless housing to the hull? How did you do the shaft log? Can you post a picture of the log on the inside?
Hey Fuzz

That's a great question. Long story. Anywho, the shaft log is fiberglass tube. Very heavy wall (1/4"). It came with the kit I bought.

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The stern bearing carrier is from Buck Algonquin and is a screw on type.

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This type of bearing carrier is designed to screw onto a bronze threaded shaft log. I had no luck trying to locate such a thing. Had to improvise. First time I tried using a Marelon nipple. That worked actually till I cross threaded it and f*cked it up royally.

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Checked my supply of Marelon fittings and didn't have anymore so ordered a bronze one instead. Same process to epoxy glue it into the end of the shaft log. I actually did that on the boat with the shaft & stern bearing ensuring alignment.

Once the nipple was firmly glued into the shaft log I unscrewed the bearing carrier. This left me with a perfectly neat way to reinstall the bearing carrier without having to rely on alignment issues. From there I replace the carrier and using some packing tape I molded in place a wedge to make up for the shaft angle.

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The mix was about 40% milled glass fibers. Some microspheres & colloidal silica. Nice & runny so it would flow around the part. Left that over night and unscrewed the bearing carrier this morning.

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It's a lil' rough but I'll sand around the edges & fair it up. Maybe even lay on a piece of carbon fiber for extra strength but I suspect it won't need it.

Guess I don't have to do a blog entry today eh? :lol:

Thanks Fuzz. Good question. Dunno if I did it right but it works. The shaft rotates freely and easily.

Cheers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:14 am
by Fuzz
Rick that was a great explanation of how you did that part. Thank you for taking the time to show it in such detail. Getting the shaft log in and not having a leak at the outboard end can be a challenge. One more question, is the bilge between the aft end and that first bulkhead planned to be dry or wet?
All your work there looks really first class. That is going to be a nice drive train.
Another question :roll: Is the prop in its final position in the picture? I ask because it looks like there is more unsupported shaft sticking out of the cutlass than what is normally seen.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:14 am One more question, is the bilge between the aft end and that first bulkhead planned to be dry or wet?
I'm hoping it'll stay relatively dry but with 7 hull penetrations it may just have a leak or two. I'm planning a dewatering bilge pump in there. It's separated from the rest of the keel and engine space keel.
Fuzz wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:14 amAnother question :roll: Is the prop in its final position in the picture? I ask because it looks like there is more unsupported shaft sticking out of the cutlass than what is normally seen.
IIRC the general rule of thumb was to allow the same length of exposed shaft as the length of the cutless bearing. Mine is 5" but I left a wee bit more. I can shorten the shaft, thanks to the python drive, if need be.

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Thanks for the kind words. Appreciate it a lot.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:07 am
by Fuzz
I asked because I have always been told no more than 1.5 times the shaft diameter. I hope you are correct and there is no problem. Either way things are starting to shape up :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:30 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:07 am I asked because I have always been told no more than 1.5 times the shaft diameter. I hope you are correct and there is no problem. Either way things are starting to shape up :D
Did some more searching this AM. Couldn’t find my original reference. From what I can tell you’re right Fuzz. Looks like another trip to the machine shop. Thnx.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:24 pm
by Fuzz
Sorry :oops: Did not mean to be a party pooper.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:46 pm
by terrulian
Sorry :oops: Did not mean to be a party pooper.
I'm certain Rick is grateful, and is lucky you were observant. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:14 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:24 pm Sorry :oops: Did not mean to be a party pooper.
All good brother! Appreciate you pointing it out before any damage was done. Shaft is in the machine shop getting a trim! 😀

Prime examples of why we’re here!

Cheers!!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:18 pm
by Jaysen
Knottybuoyz wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:14 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:24 pm Sorry :oops: Did not mean to be a party pooper.
All good brother! Appreciate you pointing it out before any damage was done. Shaft is in the machine shop getting a trim! 😀
uhhhh... that's supposed to be done when at a much much earlier point in time.

Let's see how long it takes fuzz to clean his keyboard.

;)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:23 am
by Knottybuoyz
Oh No! Now I've gone and done it! :doh:

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What the heck was I thinking? Do I really need another boat project? Apparently so!

1971 Boston Whaler 13. Needs full restoration. Dragging it home last night we destroyed the wheel bearing which took out the wheel & tire and the axel. :roll:

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Luckily I have a buddy in the trailer industry that can get me the parts wholesale! :wink:

Won't get around to the restoration till next spring. Should be fun to sand on something other than the whale in my back yard! :lol:

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:36 am
by Jeff
Those were great & very popular boats!! And still have quite a following here in Florida now!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just a few things going on in the boat shed.

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One tank bed glued, filleted & taped down. It ain't goin' nowhere! :)

Few more pics etc. on today's web log update: https://she-kon.blogspot.com/2018/08/mv ... -sods.html

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Quick update on tank bed #2 (stbd f/w tank).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/9_u8Jvol0lA[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:47 pm
by terrulian
Got a little tendinitis, there, Rick?

I know what you mean about working in 3-D when you're used to cabinets and buildings that are square. I remember making endless patterns and I'd like to say I became more efficient at it but it was always time-consuming. I put two additional tanks in my Ericson 39 which were themselves not square but the closest I could come to the shape of the hull without getting custom work done. In order to make mounts for them, I flipped them over and molded the mounts to the tanks. That done, I created a pattern where the mounts would meet the hull and cut them out and then tabbed them in. I used 1/4" neoprene straps under the tanks for cushioning, and then used nylon straps with buckles to secure the tanks. To remover the tanks you could just unbuckle the straps and undo a couple of fittings. This was not so much to service the tanks as to make sure I could access any part of the hull in case I got holed. I was quite the paranoid in those days. 8O :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:47 pm Got a little tendinitis, there, Rick?
Ya mean the pads I have on my forearms? :D Those are kids soccer shin pads. Keeps my forearms out of the epoxy & rough glass edges. :lol: Learned that trick a few years ago. They work great when you're standing on your head in the bilge.
terrulian wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:47 pmI know what you mean about working in 3-D when you're used to cabinets and buildings that are square. I remember making endless patterns and I'd like to say I became more efficient at it but it was always time-consuming. I put two additional tanks in my Ericson 39 which were themselves not square but the closest I could come to the shape of the hull without getting custom work done. In order to make mounts for them, I flipped them over and molded the mounts to the tanks. That done, I created a pattern where the mounts would meet the hull and cut them out and then tabbed them in. I used 1/4" neoprene straps under the tanks for cushioning, and then used nylon straps with buckles to secure the tanks. To remover the tanks you could just unbuckle the straps and undo a couple of fittings. This was not so much to service the tanks as to make sure I could access any part of the hull in case I got holed. I was quite the paranoid in those days. 8O :D
I struggled a lot with what to do. Looked back at some of the other TW28 builds. Most didn't show any of that part of the construction. What I did will add a lot of extra support to the bottom. I'll use some ratchet straps that'll make removal easier. I think I can get all but the fuel tanks out w/o cutting any structure.

Gonna wrap up for the season here next week. Taking a long drive in the RV across the NA continent in Sept. Been a short building season with work extending into the end of May and having to pack up the shed for winter in early Sept. Didn't get near as much done as I hoped. That's boat building I guess, life often gets in the way.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:29 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Another boat building season has come and gone. Seems like we just got started and now it's time to put everything away. :|

Last vLog for this year.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/CZYrXIgF-Yc[/youtube]

See ya in the spring fellas.


Cheers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:38 pm
by Jeff
Rick, take care and enjoy!! See you in the Spring!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas.

Did ya miss me?

Back at work for the gubment so I can buy more boat building supplies.

I'll be back full time on the boat in May. Until then there's some stuff to get done.

The southern exposure of the shed has to be recovered. It'll be white greenhouse plastic this time. Should make for better pix too!

I have to pull the engine back out and get some machine work done on the oil plug so I can still use the dipstick and my Reverso oil change pump.

On the fence about how to fasten the stern bearing carrier, through bolts or lag screws? :doh:

I did manage to get a Vetus gooseneck & waterlock muffler. Anyone looking for a Centek 3" waterlift muffler send me a msg.

A lotta stuff will start to come together fast, hoses & lines & chase tubes etc. Gotta figure out how to squeeze it all in.

Anyhow, cheers fella's.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:27 pm
by jacquesmm
Good news, keep posting.

Lag bolts for the cutlass bearing housing.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:26 pm
by terrulian
Jeez, of course we missed you, Rick. We need that sanding fix. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:17 pm
by Jeff
Welcome back!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:05 pm
by Dougster
Yes, good to see you back. I have very much enjoyed your build thread.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:17 pm
by blueflood
Hi Rick :D
Another stint serving the public and the man ? Boat soon - great news. I'm sitting here in my cube answering emails and dealing with Navy stuff galore, the boat is still wrapped up and moving it home from the cottage this spring I hope. Lots of house renos so boat work will be almost nil this year :doh: :help:

Take it easy...
Marc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:39 am
by TheBroomside
Welcome back Rick! Looking forward to new building adventures...

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
Weather warmed a little bit allowing me to get out to the boat shed. I knew we had some damage from a wind storm a few weeks back. Knocked out a section about 4' x 16'. Wanted to patch it this weekend but my extension ladder is still under 5' of snow and ice.

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Once I got the door open there wasn't much damage. The inner liner of Tyvek helped a lot.

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Ground is still frozen and what melt we've had has run into the shed. More than I've ever seen before. It'll be weeks before it all melts and dries out.

We shall overcome!

Cheers fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:32 pm
by Corto Maltese
OMG! All that white stuff! Is it legal in Canada ? :D
Wish you good boat building season start for 2019. It's warmer here on the sunny side of Alps, but I'm still under winter lazyness :oops: Have to buy some epoxy... waiting for €.
Cheers,
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:26 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick and Corto Maltese,
I wish you both a good boat building season and for me at last some pictures of the status of your boats. All of us who build things under 18 feet are longing to see your real size boats.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:01 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the warm welcome back's. :)

I have a question for the you builders: Which variety of dead tree carcass should I use for framing up the interior of the boat? See Peter's pic below.

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Said dead tree would also be used for framing up interior furnishings etc. I suspect pressure treated wouldn't be a good choice. Not much to pick from at local Big Box Stores. I do have some white oak and black cherry but they're for other purposes. I wouldn't say 'Cheap" is a requirement. Just something that's well suited to the purpose.

Thnx. Fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:32 am
by BB Sig
It's more expensive but Lowe's and HD have "Select" cuts of pine that have NO knots in them. I bought some and it is great to work with. It depends upon your requirement though. It only comes in 1"x (2,3,4,6) x 8' - 12'. Most people, I suspect, use this wood for furniture but I like that there are NO knots!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:05 am
by vla
I also used pine wood. Main function is to stiffen the structure.

Allard

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:41 am
by BB Sig
Three epoxy coats and sealed really well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:38 pm
by joe2700
I like douglas fir for interior framing. Apparently this was a bad year for it though, in my area it was hard to find.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:58 pm
by BB Sig
I’m guessing some of this is regional. I’d have to special order fir from a local store. The “help” in the box stores will give strange looks if you ask for anything not on a shelf.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:59 am
by TomW1
BB Sig wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:58 pm I’m guessing some of this is regional. I’d have to special order fir from a local store. The “help” in the box stores will give strange looks if you ask for anything not on a shelf.
Barry I can get the same thing here in NC which is Lowe's home. It is great stuff. Since you are only using it for the top of the compartments to add extra width and strength it a great use for it. Just put two or 3 coats of epoxy on it before gluing to the frames and stringers.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:47 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thnx fella's.

Last time I went to the custom lumber store and asked for Western Red Cedar they wanted both my testicles in exchange.

I'm thinking clear pine is best. Available and not overly expensive. I can seal it with epoxy, not a problem. Even some glass in stress areas.

Thnx. for the input. I appreciate it.

The wife is forcing me away this weekend for our anniversary so no shed repairs. :?

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:14 am
by OrangeQuest
I found a nice 4" X4" X8' post of Douglas Fir at Home Depot. Then used my circular saw to cut the post down to 3/4" X3/4" boards for my cleats. Here in the states it was around $12.00 USD. Anyway, started by cutting it to 3/4" X4" boards. Stacked them up where I could then cut them to the final dimensions. It did take awhile of sorting through all the posts to find one with the fewest knots. Nice thing was after I sawn them they remained straight.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:46 am
by terrulian
I think fir would work fine and as it is used for concrete forms, it is often discarded by contractors. A friend is giving me about a dozen 2x12's, quite of few of them 16-footers.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
I shall be prowling the lumber isles of a few Big Box stores this weekend! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:41 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/sdvuLjnBnww[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:21 am
by cape man
Amazing how you taped all of that in slow motion 8) :lol:

Looking good and glad you're back on it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 10:01 am
by terrulian
Rick, two things:
One, what is "basalt?"
Two, I think it's pretty funny that you warn us about noise and then don't put on any ear protection. I have found in my dotage that the lack of safety gear when younger has begun to take its toll...so I wouldn't want to be one to give advice but I'd say, be a little careful with eyes and ears!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 10:01 am Rick, two things:
One, what is "basalt?"
Two, I think it's pretty funny that you warn us about noise and then don't put on any ear protection. I have found in my dotage that the lack of safety gear when younger has begun to take its toll...so I wouldn't want to be one to give advice but I'd say, be a little careful with eyes and ears!
Basalt fabric is similar to fiberglass. It's stronger & lighter than glass but not as much as carbon fiber. Really nice stuff to work with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basalt_fiber

Spent 12 yrs on icebreakers. Think all the damage to my hearing has been done. I was more worried about the audio on the video clip. Haven't figured out how to moderate that just yet.

Thnks for looking in. Next episode coming up pronto!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog is up on Youtube.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/qVRlesOzuwU[/youtube]

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:35 am
by terrulian
What the heck is a "gray-water" tank?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:46 am
by Jaysen
Waste water that is not sewage. Sinks, washers etc. houses in our area separate them into two separate systems.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:42 am
by terrulian
Yes, I get that. Gray water is water from showering, dishwashing, clothes washers, etc. But why keep it aboard? People have gray water systems to keep plants watered during droughts. I don't know about inland lakes but no body of water around here requires that, and we like to think we're pretty green.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:36 pm
by Jaysen
Big issue in the Great Lakes and northeast. Has to do with phosphates and other chemicals that are highly present already.

I would suggest that it’s regulation for the sake of regulation. Most folks say I’m anti-environmental though. I would say that I’m a practical environmentalist vs a religious environmentalist.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:24 pm
by Knottybuoyz
There are some areas around here, Rideau Canal, Lake Champlain etc. that are Zero Discharge. That means grey water too. One side benefit to capturing it is after pumping out black water you can cross connect the tanks and use the grey water to flush out the black tank. That's the plan anyways.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:47 pm
by terrulian
That's a pretty good plan, especially because the gray water will contain some soap. We pump fresh water through the toilet into the holding tank around here to flush it, although that's not required.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My latest vLog update: never ending saga of tank beds. *Sigh*

[youtube]https://youtu.be/FR94apHpK3s[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 4:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's vLog update: Tabbing tank beds.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/NTXpB-KjknY[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:24 pm
by colinhart
Hi Rick how's things going. Haven't got onto the boat yet still doing the garden. how's the back problem

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 12:38 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi Rick,
Watched your videos with great interest and I always get new hints how to work with epoxy. I see you are using some protection from your elbows forward to the gloved hands. Do you use these so you wont bang your arms against any corners ? I have seen them only on racing skiers who wear them to push the slalom poles aside. I like seeing the lots of place you have got working on the tank areas. On my small boat I always battle with space like right now attaching electric wiring on the top corner of the starboard bunk from the plug near the transom to the midship battery. Our temperatures are similar with lots of rain so not very encouraging to work on the boat under the carport. But summer has to come and then I will be finished.
Wish you also good progress and I am looking forward to your next videos.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 5:24 pm Hi Rick how's things going. Haven't got onto the boat yet still doing the garden. how's the back problem
Hey Colin. Nice to hear from you.

Back is better. I shaved off 35 lbs this winter, 50 more to go! Still sucks working on my hands and knees though. Gotta tough it out.

Get out of the garden and get back to work on the boat! :D

Cheers mate!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
gonandkarl wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:38 pm Hi Rick,
Watched your videos with great interest and I always get new hints how to work with epoxy. I see you are using some protection from your elbows forward to the gloved hands. Do you use these so you wont bang your arms against any corners ? I have seen them only on racing skiers who wear them to push the slalom poles aside. I like seeing the lots of place you have got working on the tank areas. On my small boat I always battle with space like right now attaching electric wiring on the top corner of the starboard bunk from the plug near the transom to the midship battery. Our temperatures are similar with lots of rain so not very encouraging to work on the boat under the carport. But summer has to come and then I will be finished.
Wish you also good progress and I am looking forward to your next videos.
Greetings from Karl
Hi Karl. Thanks for looking in on our videos. Those pads are children's soccer (football) shin pads. I use them mostly to keep my forearms out of the goo. A number of times I wished I had shin pads too. Used to back in the early days of this project.

It started out cold today and warmed up a bit. Supposed to hit 30 degs by Saturday. That means 40 in the shed~ One extreme to the other.

Should have a new video out tomorrow evening.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/VGLolKSaRUg[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:12 am
by Dougster
I seldom post here but want to say how I appreciate your videos and posts. It's been fun to follow along on your huge project/adventure and I like seeing how you work with epoxy. Today I particularly liked that little grinder bit on a dremel like tool you used on the fillets. Beats heck out of my hand sanding. The other thing I noticed and haven't seen before was your epoxy dispenser. Looks like it pre-mixed the epoxy as you pumped! That would be paradise and, while not so big a deal for smaller builds, seems like a big plus on your build.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:32 am
by terrulian
Great progress, Rick.
I myself did nothing but damage trying to shape fillets with any kind of grinder with a small attachment--although I certainly wanted that to work--and had to resort to sanding by hand.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
Dougster wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:12 am I seldom post here but want to say how I appreciate your videos and posts. It's been fun to follow along on your huge project/adventure and I like seeing how you work with epoxy. Today I particularly liked that little grinder bit on a dremel like tool you used on the fillets. Beats heck out of my hand sanding. The other thing I noticed and haven't seen before was your epoxy dispenser. Looks like it pre-mixed the epoxy as you pumped! That would be paradise and, while not so big a deal for smaller builds, seems like a big plus on your build.

Dougster
Hi Dougster

The epoxy dispenser is a "Sticky Stuff'" from Michael Engineering. It will measure & mix if you use the static mixing tubes. Good investment on a project this size. I just got myself a 1-3/8" belt sander! 8O It should be good at dressing fillets too.

Thanks for looking in.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:32 am Great progress, Rick.
I myself did nothing but damage trying to shape fillets with any kind of grinder with a small attachment--although I certainly wanted that to work--and had to resort to sanding by hand.
Yeah you can't always get the tape on when the fillets are wet.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
I need help. Jacques, are you following?

I've reinstalled the main bulkhead and got the fwd cabin roof up on the frames. There's huge misalignment issue with the CnC cut panels. I taped & glassed them together about 7 yrs ago. The frames etc. were also put together to spec. See the images below.

Roof panel is symmetrical but the bulkhead opening isn't.

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Port side at Frame D shows about 5 cm too narrow.

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Stbd side the same.

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So I guess I have two options.

1. Split the cabin roof in two down the center and splice in a piece.
2. Scab onto the outboard sides more material.

I'd still have to adjust opening in cabin roof to meet the passageway in the main bulkhead.

Anything I'm missing?

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Fwd cabin sides & decks going on.

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Latest vLog update setting the engine in. [youtube]https://youtu.be/dQKCP9Zfg2A[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas. Been awhile. I apologize for the absence. Been doing stuff! :wink:

I split the main to for deck step into two to aid us short ass'd old farts.

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A lot of fiddly bits & Eyeball MK 1 guestimations to get something that would work. Got it glued up and moved over to port side.

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Today's vLog update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/FJaqS7zVv2A[/youtube]

Cheers!

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:49 pm
by poleposition
Rick----a couple of questions about your general impressions of basalt: 1) Did you find it comparable to glass as far as difficulty in applying? 2} Does it use roughly the same amount of epoxy as glass? 3) given the composition, can you apply the stuff without fear of allergic reactions as e-glass has a tendency to---can you handle it w/o itching ? Thanks in advance for your response...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
poleposition wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:49 pm Rick----a couple of questions about your general impressions of basalt: 1) Did you find it comparable to glass as far as difficulty in applying? 2} Does it use roughly the same amount of epoxy as glass? 3) given the composition, can you apply the stuff without fear of allergic reactions as e-glass has a tendency to---can you handle it w/o itching ? Thanks in advance for your response...
The basalt fabric was an absolute dream to apply compared to glass. It wets out wonderfully and shapes easily. As far as I know it doesn't use any more epoxy than glass. I had no other issues, allergic reaction or otherwise. It doesn't seem to cause itching like glass.

You will need very good scissors to cut it, much like carbon fiber, cheap scissors will just skate off of it. Price wise it falls somewhere inbetween good glass and carbon fiber. I wish I could have gotten more.

Thanks for asking.

Cheers

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/A1cs3b-QNwY[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:59 pm
by cape man
"Help! I've Fallen and I can't get up!"

Classic... :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's vLog update. Cats are A-holes.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/BTP0h_0afSI[/youtube]

Make sure you subscribe! Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:14 pm
by Bogieman
Nice!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update after eye surgery. Getting back into it (slowly).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/puVExd5fYeE[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:21 am
by fallguy1000
I watched a good bit of it. Why they eye surgery?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:27 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,

This was the very first message I posted about building our TW28:
TheBroomside wrote:Slow progress, but progress.

Still the best strategy for such a big build. Glad to see you back at work. I hope your other 'little problems" are solved now...

Good luck, enjoy building!

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:21 am I watched a good bit of it. Why they eye surgery?
Cataracts

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:27 am Good luck, enjoy building!

Peter
LUS
Thanks Peter

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update: Glassing storage locker bottoms

[youtube]https://youtu.be/hXy8MtVW_Zk[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 pm
by fallguy1000
Tarp and heat the boat to extend your season.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
More screwin' around in the anchor lockers.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/CRjbuS1vuC8[/youtube]

Two weeks left in our building season. Not going to accomplish all I wanted to do. Didn't count on wife remodeling most of the house. :?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:08 pm
by terrulian
Those padeyes are just for the bitter ends, right? You're going to have a chain stop and cleats on deck?
Those are sure not going anywhere, or if they do, they're taking the boat with them.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
terrulian wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:08 pm Those padeyes are just for the bitter ends, right? You're going to have a chain stop and cleats on deck?
Those are sure not going anywhere, or if they do, they're taking the boat with them.
Chain stopper, yup. Ten Foot marker on the chain & Rode, yup. Educating Anchor Girl, hmmmm :doh:

There's about a quarter inch of glass over each pad. Yeah, if that lets go I've got more trouble than I can handle!

Thnx for lookin in T.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:32 pm
by Rickk
What did you end up doing with the cover layer in the previous video of the mis-cut filler panel?> Last I saw was that you pulled off the glass that you added to seal off the boo boos.

I agree that the bitter end anchors will be stout enough.
On my 23' cabin boat I have about 15' of chain (we don't have much tide down here in FL) and it is attached to the rode. Why do you have 2 compartments, one for rode and one for chain? Do you use chain only in some situations and rode other times?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:32 pm What did you end up doing with the cover layer in the previous video of the mis-cut filler panel?> Last I saw was that you pulled off the glass that you added to seal off the boo boos.
The epoxy was gelling and wouldn't wet out the tape. I started over the next day. I'm not sure but Bateau may have changed the forumula of their slow hardener because I sure don't get the pot life I used to get. Just this last batch (6 gal) I bought seems to be like this.
Rickk wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:32 pmI agree that the bitter end anchors will be stout enough.
On my 23' cabin boat I have about 15' of chain (we don't have much tide down here in FL) and it is attached to the rode. Why do you have 2 compartments, one for rode and one for chain? Do you use chain only in some situations and rode other times?
Our primary anchor will be a 22 lb plow on about 5/16" x 400' of stainless chain. It'll fall into the starboard section of the anchor locker. The other will hold a 150' rode with 54' of 3/8" chain. Primarily for a backup/storm anchor and can be relocated aft if we need it there.

It's more about having it if you need it instead of needing it and not having it.

Thnx for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:26 pm
by terrulian
Holy crap, Rick, stainless chain? What're you, a millionaire?
Why 400 feet? You going to the South Pacific? That seems like a lot, so a lot of weight up forward not counting the secondary anchor and rode.

BTW, just because I'm a pedant, "rode" refers to the entire line, whether nylon, chain, or cable, between the anchor and the boat. It can be all chain, all rope, or a combination.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:27 pm
by Jeff
Rick, no change in the formula!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:10 pm
by Jaysen
Tony, there’s some “deep sh!t” in the Great Lakes. So deep that you would need a volume of rope too large if you’re using a 10:1 anchor strategy. My suspicion is that using all chain you don’t need 10:1 (I thought I read 3:1 or 4:1) which would enable 100’ anchorage.

Please correct me if there’s something wrong in there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:17 pm
by terrulian
You don't need more than 7/1 if you know how to anchor, unless you're riding out a hurricane, and then you're hosed anyway. This is especially true in deep anchorages with chain, since the catenary it produces takes a huge amount of force to lift. 5/1 in 100 feet would be 500 feet of chain and no one carries that. However, I've anchored with 3/1 in 80 feet in gales several times without an issue. That's still roughly 250 pounds of chain in addition to the anchor. The horizontal force necessary to lift that to a straight diagonal is a calculus problem that I'll leave to you.
The other thing to consider is popping the breaker on the windlass pulling a lot of weight.
What we carried was 250' of 5/16" proof (not stainless, I'm not rich like Rick!!) spliced to 125' of 9/16" nylon at the bitter end. This saves money but also weight on the bow. We almost never used all the chain except a few places in the South Pacific. My experience of the Great Lakes was all landbound. I guess you'd ask around and see what the locals use, as I suppose Rick has done...so maybe I should take my tropical advice and shove it.
Sailors will argue just about anything at all, and a favorite topic of dispute is types of anchor. I don't think they argue much about how to anchor or whether to use chain, though.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:22 pm
by Jaysen
terrulian wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:17 pm You don't need more than 7/1 if you know how to anchor, unless you're riding out a hurricane, and then you're hosed anyway.
wait... I can't ride out a hurricane 10mi out (only 30-60' here) with 100' chain and 300' poly?

BTW, on land, you can take a shower in a tropical storm but not in a cat 2. The leaves start sticking at a cat 2.

Yes, rum was involved.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm
by terrulian
wait... I can't ride out a hurricane 10mi out (only 30-60' here) with 100' chain and 300' poly?
You go first. Write and tell us what happened.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:52 pm
by Jaysen
terrulian wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm
wait... I can't ride out a hurricane 10mi out (only 30-60' here) with 100' chain and 300' poly?
You go first. Write and tell us what happened.
I've already decided that any "riding out of hurricane" will involve trip up the creeks, 3 anchors, and good insurance. If I'm on a cruise there will be a plane ticket.

What i'm really not sure about is getting caught in a depression way out there. Just seems like a way to meet the maker a bit ahead of schedule. Which is probably the exact thing I would do...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:52 pm
by terrulian
It's not a problem. You have to be ready to survive gale force winds, say 35-45 knots, for a couple of days. These situations are impossible to avoid unless you never go more than a day offshore, if then. This should be within the capacity of any proper, well-found cruising boat with a reasonable sailor as a skipper. For hurricanes, it's easy: you don't go there. These storms are about the best understood weather systems on the planet. Everyone knows that there won't be one in the Bahamas in January. If you're there in hurricane season, you go elsewhere, but even better is to plan your routing so you're not there in the first place. Anyone that brags that he survived a hurricane, up to and including the Pardeys, is taking credit for good fortune.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:07 pm
by Fuzz
I love it when guys here state firm opinions, especially when it is formed from hard won experiences.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:27 pm Rick, no change in the formula!!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff. Must be something else I'm doing wrong to get such short pot life. Last time it was only 65 degs and still only got about 10 mins in the tray before it started to gel. :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
Oh I love a lively debate. Which is better? Red or Blue or camo for the hull color? :? :lol:

I live in a place that is a virtual wasteland of boat building supplies. I've searched for chain around here and all I can find is chinesium junk. It might last a couple years in fresh water use. I am on the other hand always looking out for a deal and have a lead on a full barrel of 5/16 ss chain that'll work. I don't necessarily have to load the whole barrel in (550') and can pick and choose how much I'll need.

More on this later. Gotta run.,

Cheers fella's.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:41 pm
by narfi
chain in the barrel? sounds like something a pirate would do o.0

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
End of our season message

[youtube]https://youtu.be/-vHIAPrO9pY[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:31 am
by Dougster
Sorry to see the build on hold, but don't be a stranger :)

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
Gettin' back into it slowly. Torn up rotator cuff is gonna cause a few setbacks.

Hope everyone is well and healthy. Stay safe.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/A0xphIAw8Eo[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:55 am
by TheBroomside
WELCOME BACK, RICK, looking forward to your new building season.
Good luck.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:44 am
by Jeff
Welcome back Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:40 am
by Dougster
Ah, good to see you back.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:12 pm
by Corto Maltese
Welcome! Now we have to start to work again. The winter is over and the boat building is a suitable way for self-isolation :( Wish you good and healthy building season.
Dario

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:01 pm
by fallguy1000
Hey Rick,

Table saw advice. While standing behind the fence eliminates any possibility of kickback; it also drives the board out of the cut with every change of the operators hands. I realize you are fighting this with a feather, but I was sort of cringing watching to be honest.

I also found out the hard way that voltage drops caused by extension cords cause saw motor failures and have replaced several motors in my lifetime. Not saying this is the case, but I heard a pretty big drop when you engage the wood. The other day I got some #10 25' cords for like $13 each at Home Depot.

It is three days of snow in a row here. Winter doesn't want to quit it seems.

Happy building.

I might have missed where all that wood is goin on the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:07 pm
by Rickk
Welcome back Rick.
I also was cringing watching you work on the table saw. I think you're right handed so normally you would have the fence to the right of the blade so you can control the cut between the fence and the blade with your push stick with your right hand and the remainder of the board with your left hand. What you are trying to re-create is the accident film shown in jr high shop class where the board shoots out of the saw and into someone walking by or the operator himself.
If it was all about camera angle, relocate the camera please.
Be safe.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:56 pm
by BB Sig
I liked the Bilge Rat Coronavirus protective suit! :lol:

In addition to the other comments about your safety, you might need a new blade. I've had good luck with the Freud blades. Higher priced but if you clean them off and wax your table, you will be surprised at how little you force you have to use to rip lumber.

Keep up with the videos! :wink:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hi Fella's.

The wifey made me watch some YouTube table saw safety videos. It's all good now. Well except one lil' incident.

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Lil' kickback! 8O Launched itself 10' and embedded itself 11" into my garden shed wall. :oops:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
Question for Jacques

Hopefully you’re all safe and healthy. I have a question regarding the main cabin decking. Yrs ago I watched my buddy change out his engine in his Marine Trader 34. He was able to remove all the decking in the main cabin right out to the hull which allowed access to the engine of course but all the ancillary equipment tanks etc. Could I do the same by having the outboard decking screwed to the cleats & framing? Maybe a 1/8” rubber gasket? If I fillet & tab the outer portions of decking to the hull it would make accessing tanks etc a lot harder. Thanks for your time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:16 pm
by fallguy1000
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 10:56 am Hi Fella's.

The wifey made me watch some YouTube table saw safety videos. It's all good now. Well except one lil' incident.

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Lil' kickback! 8O Launched itself 10' and embedded itself 11" into my garden shed wall. :oops:
Don't say your friends didn't warn you Rick!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:24 pm
by fallguy1000
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 10:58 am Question for Jacques

Hopefully you’re all safe and healthy. I have a question regarding the main cabin decking. Yrs ago I watched my buddy change out his engine in his Marine Trader 34. He was able to remove all the decking in the main cabin right out to the hull which allowed access to the engine of course but all the ancillary equipment tanks etc. Could I do the same by having the outboard decking screwed to the cleats & framing? Maybe a 1/8” rubber gasket? If I fillet & tab the outer portions of decking to the hull it would make accessing tanks etc a lot harder. Thanks for your time.
Not JM, but you can only do that with a wet gutter or a semi-permanent, but removable panel. You don't gasket it, but you seal it in with a seam of something less permanent than say 5200. Some people use butyl, but I don't like it.

Otherwise, you need gutters. You cannot gasket seal successfully. A wet gutter has a hose and a drain in it so water exits via a thru hull and not seeping down past the gasket.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 6:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 8:24 pm
Not JM, but you can only do that with a wet gutter or a semi-permanent, but removable panel. You don't gasket it, but you seal it in with a seam of something less permanent than say 5200. Some people use butyl, but I don't like it.

Otherwise, you need gutters. You cannot gasket seal successfully. A wet gutter has a hose and a drain in it so water exits via a thru hull and not seeping down past the gasket.
These decks are inside the main cabin. Does that make a difference?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 8:32 am
by fallguy1000
Knottybuoyz wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 6:10 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 8:24 pm
Not JM, but you can only do that with a wet gutter or a semi-permanent, but removable panel. You don't gasket it, but you seal it in with a seam of something less permanent than say 5200. Some people use butyl, but I don't like it.

Otherwise, you need gutters. You cannot gasket seal successfully. A wet gutter has a hose and a drain in it so water exits via a thru hull and not seeping down past the gasket.
These decks are inside the main cabin. Does that make a difference?
Sure. The only thing to be super careful about is exhaust gasses. They are insidious and find the smallest leaks. An exhaust leak, for example, can track back through those types of decks if a window or especially the back door is open. CO can collect and kill the occupants of the cabin with the doors open.

It happened here in Mn. A little girl was sickened by an exhaust leak and they put her in the cuddy; not realizing she was the canary. She died.

Keep in mind that engine compartments under living areas need to be sealed exceptionally well and CO detection could save your life. Personally, I would leave a gap and seal the hatch with a removable sealant unless you believe access to be as often as annually for winterizing. In the latter case, a foam seal, combined with mechanica fasteners to pull the hatch down onto the gasketing well.

Make sure to budget for CO detection as well.

https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/safety/boat ... s-law.html

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 4:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 8:24 pm
Make sure to budget for CO detection as well.

https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/safety/boat ... s-law.html
CO detector(s) already done. :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 2:00 pm
by jacquesmm
What Fallguy writes is correct for an open cockpit but in this boat, the motor is under the dry part of the sole, in the closed pilot house. There is no risk of leaks.
Access to the motor is important and yes, you need removable panels.
I had such a set up in several boats: you could lift the panels above the engine in a few seconds.
You need access, there is no alternative: you will have to change filters, check the oil level, have a look at the bilges, check the stuffing box etc.
You will have access to the front, I designed it that way but it is not enough.
I would even have the furniture above the engine made from removable panels with wing nuts.
Access is one reason, the other is to remove engine or tanks. That is an extreme situation and I would not plan for that at this point. I have a boat with a diesel that is 50 years old, the tanks are 30 years.
Have removable sole panels between the sole beams (deck beams) but do not make the sole beams removable. I saw your pictures and you fabricated some really strong deck beams.
If one day you must switch engine, you will probably be able to swing the block between the deck beams.
The removable sole panels should have insulation and a gasket is a good idea.

A story about engine access and safety: I was helping a friend show his trawler to a potential buyer. We run the engine with one floor panel open. The buyer, without asking anything, puts his foot down on the stringers next to the engine to have a look. He was wearing long pants. His pants get caught in the alternator belt and the belt begins to chew his leg. The owner is at the wheel and pushes the stop button but the buyer, in his panic, had pulled part of the electrical harness and the stop solenoid did not work. I was behind the two guys, lifted the sole under the table and grabbed the fuel stop lever. The guy still had to go to the hospital but a few minutes more would have been dramatic.
You need easy and fast access.

Fallguy is correct about a CO detector. It is very important. When you sleep, the engine is off but there is still a danger underway if you exhaust leaks.

Sorry for the delayed reply, I had some kind of emergency this week-end.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Main deck support structure dry fit almost ready for gluing. Still a f*ck ton of stuff to do.

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Carry on. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 12:13 pm
by Jeff
Nice Progress Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 12:26 pm
by terrulian
Well, time's a-wastin' then! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 6:45 pm
by Rickk
Nice progress Rick!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:50 am
by pee wee
Looks like good progress to me, nice! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:39 am
by fallguy1000
Are you gonna launch this season or next?

Want to race to finish?

I am planning May 1, 2021.

All the best. Looks good to see the deck members.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:31 pm
by icelikkilinc
Will you glue all that support structure, especiallly the middle beams which is directly over the engine?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:33 pm
by icelikkilinc
This to give my view
Steps moved for front access to belts etc
Support is not over the engine to allow lift

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 10:39 am Are you gonna launch this season or next?

Want to race to finish?

I am planning May 1, 2021.

All the best. Looks good to see the deck members.
I think I'll drop mine in the water week after nest. I win! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 9:31 pm Will you glue all that support structure, especiallly the middle beams which is directly over the engine?
Actually all structure will be glued except those running down the centerline. They'll be removable for full access. It'll get clearer as I go along.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
icelikkilinc wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 9:33 pm This to give my view
Steps moved for front access to belts etc
Support is not over the engine to allow lift
I think on my model engine I can access all the belts, pulleys, alternator etc. from the sides of the engine. I'd like to keep that bulkhead in tact so I can put in sound insulation there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:23 pm
by icelikkilinc
My stairs and bulkhead piece had sound insulation at the back
When I pushed back in place, there are tightning bolts to secure and support insulation
Front access is really important imho

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
My latest vLog update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/J1BA5dS3N3U[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:55 am
by fallguy1000
Hey Rick...another great video. A well thought out deck/tank plan I'd say.

I only have a couple of critiques/advice for you.

1. The blackwater tank service hoses have service lives of 3-7 years. Once that time elapses; they will start to stink like hell. You must plan for them to be replaced. Perhaps you know; I did not until I ordered my shitter.

2. Fuel lines and battery compartments are a no-no. Running a fuel line anywhere near batteries is a bad idea and against abyc and probably Canadian laws. You may consider bulkheading the battery compartment or anything that has a remote chance of sparking or grounding. I would be a bit nervous about fuel smells in the living spaces and personally would also bulkhead the fuel tanks, the electrical, and the blackwater tanks for odors, and any spark. That is me. You could use a cheaper plywood; no glass, relatively easy to do. I am surprised fuel tanks are in the living area, I could be wrong. The main thing to remember is no fuel system can traverse above a battery compartment. I have a start battery in my boat and I think I can get away with running the fuel line below the terminal heights.

3. see private message

If you need more hardwoods for the build, pm me.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:01 am
by Jeff
Nice Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:55 am Hey Rick...another great video. A well thought out deck/tank plan I'd say.

I only have a couple of critiques/advice for you.

1. The blackwater tank service hoses have service lives of 3-7 years. Once that time elapses; they will start to stink like hell. You must plan for them to be replaced. Perhaps you know; I did not until I ordered my shitter.
The sanitary hoses will all be openly accessible and easy to change out. Made sure of that right from the start.

fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:55 am 2. Fuel lines and battery compartments are a no-no. Running a fuel line anywhere near batteries is a bad idea and against abyc and probably Canadian laws. You may consider bulkheading the battery compartment or anything that has a remote chance of sparking or grounding. I would be a bit nervous about fuel smells in the living spaces and personally would also bulkhead the fuel tanks, the electrical, and the blackwater tanks for odors, and any spark. That is me. You could use a cheaper plywood; no glass, relatively easy to do. I am surprised fuel tanks are in the living area, I could be wrong. The main thing to remember is no fuel system can traverse above a battery compartment. I have a start battery in my boat and I think I can get away with running the fuel line below the terminal heights.
The black & grey water tanks will have 'drop in' bulkheads separating those tanks from the main engine space. The batteries will be in proper boxes. As for the fuel tanks being under the main living space there will be plenty of ventilation of the space (forced by elec fans) and I'm 99% sure I'm going to open the main cabin in a 'picnic style' so there will also be plenty of air exchange in that area as well.

All the electrics will be set up on the stbd side space I've laid out. All cables and wires will be shielded in cable supports and will be nowhere near the fuel system lines. All of the fuel lines go forward and across the main bulkhead to get to the fuel pump as far away from any electrics as possible. The only exception is the 1/4" fuel feed line to the diesel heater which will get shielded and I'm not exactly sure where I'll locate that heat just yet.

Canadian Small Vessel Construction Standards (Transport Canada) are virtually identical to ABYC standards for all these pieces of equipment. I have both sets of standards.
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:55 am 3. see private message

If you need more hardwoods for the build, pm me.
Acknowledged. Thanks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:14 am
by fallguy1000
I am using a diesel heater as well. How would one shield a diesel supply line?

I am using the Webasto tsl17000 boiler with two radiator heaters and a run into my water heater. fyi

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:52 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:14 am I am using a diesel heater as well. How would one shield a diesel supply line?
I'm thinking electrical conduit would work. Still more research. I do have some Aeroquip fuel line covering but not enough.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just some of the happenings around the boat shed.

1. Drilled hole in bottom for raw water intake. Back filled with epoxy, microspheres and milled fibers. Double later glued in place.

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2. Working on dry fit of exhaust components.

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Ordered some more parts to complete both the raw water intake and the exhaust. Tomorrow I'll locate the position for the exhaust out let and dry fit the Vetus Gooseneck etc.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:31 am
by Knottybuoyz
More progress on exhaust system.

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Progress is steady but a lil' slow. Seem to spend a lotta time looking for parts I know I bought and searching the web for parts I need. Every marine supplier I tried in Canada couldn't supply the parts I needed so had to look south of the border. Which sux 'cause I'll get charged a brokerage fee. :roll:

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:08 am
by fallguy1000
How you keep the exhaust from rubbing on the bulkheads?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:08 am How you keep the exhaust from rubbing on the bulkheads?
You mean on the penetrations? The Vetus installation instructions show them only being secured with zip ties. I'll probably build some stand off brackets isolated with some 1/8" rubber and stainless hose clamps. I'd like it to all be removable if necessary.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:35 am
by fallguy1000
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:16 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:08 am How you keep the exhaust from rubbing on the bulkheads?
You mean on the penetrations? The Vetus installation instructions show them only being secured with zip ties. I'll probably build some stand off brackets isolated with some 1/8" rubber and stainless hose clamps. I'd like it to all be removable if necessary.
Yeah. It might vibrate is all and create some unwanted noise. Lot of that risk in my boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:35 am Yeah. It might vibrate is all and create some unwanted noise. Lot of that risk in my boat.
I was considering gluing and taping in the fiberglass 90's. Dunno how well that would work. Plenty of isolation of the pipe sections with hose connections.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Got the tanks back from the fabricator yesterday. $$$ :roll: Anyhow all the mods I needed are good. Few days of dry fitting, cleats etc. and then some prep for paint in those areas.

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Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:41 pm
by terrulian
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:41 pm
by Jeff
Nice progress!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update: Rudder Post Support

[youtube]https://youtu.be/M0E_Sq_YEuQ[/youtube]

Standby

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm
by fallguy1000
Where is the boat headed on launch date?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm Where is the boat headed on launch date?
I'm thinking the first trip would be the Rideau Canal, then the Trent-Severn into Georgian Bay. Erie Canal is definitely on the bucket list. Lake Champlain and the Champlain Canal to the Hudson and places south.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:13 am
by fallguy1000
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:46 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm Where is the boat headed on launch date?
I'm thinking the first trip would be the Rideau Canal, then the Trent-Severn into Georgian Bay. Erie Canal is definitely on the bucket list. Lake Champlain and the Champlain Canal to the Hudson and places south.
Maybe we can plan a meetup someday Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:13 am
Maybe we can plan a meetup someday Rick.
That would be very very cool! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:00 am
by Knottybuoyz
Just a lil' bit of what I've been up to these last few days.

Working out the run of the exhaust piping. First up the Vetus Waterlock Muffler.

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I had envisioned a straight run to the transom along the port stringer. Didn't work out that way though. Had to put a jog in it before getting to the gooseneck.

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Managed to get the port side diesel tank strapped down. That's two tanks strapped down now and two more to go.

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And my latest Youtube vLog update:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/r39clTMDgvI[/youtube]

|Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:22 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
Thanks for the video, I will never have to mount a tank but is is nevertheless interesting how one attaches such a tank and it seems you planned to make it so that you can exchange the tank in the future if it is needed. Build on I love to follow your build of a real ship.
Greetings from Karl

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
This Vetus waterlock muffler is so big the only place I could fit it was above the port stringer along side the jack shaft. It's in a bit of a PITA location and will be a big obstacle.

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The straps holding it up are 1/16" stainless and I've got enough lag screws in it to lift the Titanic. :lol: There is an isolating strip of rubber inside the ring for chafe protection.

In the middle of a heat wave of sorts up here in the 'Great White North' so no boat shed for this ole' fart for awhile. :(

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:48 am
by fallguy1000
Are you gonna be able to test the engine soon?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:48 am Are you gonna be able to test the engine soon?
That's probably a no. When we had the engine serviced and injection pump rebuilt it was prepared for long term storage. As much as I'd like to see it run I'll have to wait awhile for that. I do turn it over on the battery every once in awhile to circ the oil and that's about it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:20 pm
by fallguy1000
That was pretty smart Rick.

Keep on plugging. I am sanding primer today. Tomorrow we clean the shop and topcoat Thursday and Friday and sand topcoat? If needed Saturday and final coat Monday, but I might just two coat it so I can get it moved out of the building. I am getting impatient to get my painting done while my two oldest are home from college.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:15 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update: The Incredible Talking Head :lol:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/ejN-FjqqGy0[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So all things being normal I ordered fuel tanks that are just a weeee bit too big for the boat. A lotta work around to get them fitted. One was the clearance from the fuel filler to the main cross beam. Not much leeway. I had to remove 3/8" from the filler pipe to get that much clearance.

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Slapped some paint on the stbd side of the engine compartment. Should be able to mount the fuel tank permanently in a couple days.

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Hotter 'n hell here so I get a few hrs in the morning to work before the heat drives me out of the shed.

More to come. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:43 pm
by cape man
Go baby Go!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:15 pm
by fallguy1000
Those tanks expand. Make sure you got some space up and on the sides.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:50 pm
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:15 pm Those tanks expand. Make sure you got some space up and on the sides.
Lotsa space :!:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Stbd fuel tank installed.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:57 pm
by Fuzz
Another bite of the elephant down! Keep taking those bites :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:59 pm
by Rickk
Looks good Rick! Yeah those poly tanks expand 1-2% in all directions when they come in contact with gas, not sure how it reacts to diesel.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:59 pm Looks good Rick! Yeah those poly tanks expand 1-2% in all directions when they come in contact with gas, not sure how it reacts to diesel.
Mfgr said 3% but didn't specify which fuel. There's plenty of room for expansion around the tank. The chocks are a bit tight but I can move them if needed. Thnx. for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:51 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuzz wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:57 pm Another bite of the elephant down! Keep taking those bites :D
Munch! Munch! Munch! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
vLog update: Fifteen minute mashup of misc happenings around the boat.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/5svkmviMM_4[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:07 am
by fallguy1000
Hope I can meet up with you someday. Build on.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Making up some fiberglass backing stock with vacuum resin infusion. Still waiting on a bunch of plumbing parts before I can finish up the fuel tanks and then move onto other stuff. Our normal supply chain for parts from the US ends in Ogdensburg NY. Unfortunately we can't cross the border for awhile so I've been trying to source parts etc. from Cdn suppliers. Not much luck with that. Amazon has been my backup but they don't have everything I need in marine stuff.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/bRKh9RUvW2Q[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:32 pm
by BB Sig
Great video. I liked that you added the other video of the air bubbles. I can't wait to see how it turns out! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
BB Sig wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:32 pm Great video. I liked that you added the other video of the air bubbles. I can't wait to see how it turns out! :D
Thnx for the kind words Barry. The part turned out Ok. A couple minor dry spots but lots of usable material. Approx 3/16" thick. It was a fight to get the peel ply and flow media off of it. That infusion epoxy is HARD as nails. 8O

I'll post a vid of unbagging it sometime soon. Thnx for looking in.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hosing up the stbd side fuel tank. A real mish-mash of fittings etc. I’ll likely pull it all apart & do it again ‘cause to be a proper job ya gotta do it at least twice. :wink:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:07 pm
by Rickk
Knottybuoyz wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:58 am Hosing up the stbd side fuel tank. A real mish-mash of fittings etc. I’ll likely pull it all apart & do it again ‘cause to be a proper job ya gotta do it at least twice. :wink:

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I'm sure you planned easy access planned to get to the primer bulb(s)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:07 pm I'm sure you planned easy access planned to get to the primer bulb(s)
That entire space between the engine and fuel tank will be accessible. I can open up hatches over the entire main cabin except where there's built in furniture. I'm old and fat so it has to be easy to get into and out of. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
Fuel system complete. Check! Onto water/waste plumbing next.

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Also thinking ahead to wiring. I've got some stuff on hand and looking around at current tech not sure I can afford to go whole hog Victron. Would be nice with all the new fancy aps and gadgets though. :wink:

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Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:58 am
by Joe H
Knottybuoyz wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:58 am
Hosing up the stbd side fuel tank. A real mish-mash of fittings etc. I’ll likely pull it all apart & do it again ‘cause to be a proper job ya gotta do it at least twice.


I'm sure you planned easy access planned to get to the primer bulb(s)
Hello Rick,
Just curious, because I didn't put one in on my boat but do you even need a primer bulb there?

Joe H

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:32 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Joe H wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:58 am
Hello Rick,
Just curious, because I didn't put one in on my boat but do you even need a primer bulb there?

Joe H
Hi Joe

I've seen arguments for and against. I figure they'd be good for priming the system for first start up. After that I don't know how much use they'll be. If I don't need them I can always remove them later. Thnx for looking in.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:07 am
by TheBroomside
Rick,
Nice progress...
Just wondering, I am not an expert. I understand you want to use LiFePO4 batteries for your housebank. Don't you need a specific battery management system for charging the Li batteries with the alternator?
Keep going, all the best.

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
TheBroomside wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:07 am Rick,
Nice progress...
Just wondering, I am not an expert. I understand you want to use LiFePO4 batteries for your housebank. Don't you need a specific battery management system for charging the Li batteries with the alternator?
Keep going, all the best.

Peter
LUS
Hi Peter

If I was just using the one charging source, alternator, then yes a major upgrade would be required. I'm going to use the Iota 55 as primary shore power charging. The boat will likely sit at the dock during the week and away on weekends so the solar panels will handle topping them up. That's how it's looking at the moment.

Cheers mate!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fella's. I'm done for the season. Reason in the vid.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/e8EU95olnZ0[/youtube]

Cheers! See ya next year.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:23 pm
by fallguy1000
Sorry about your loss. Keep on pluggin!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:44 pm
by cape man
Tough to lose a young brother. Hang in there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:50 pm
by Jeff
Sorry about your loss, it is never easy!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:47 am
by TheBroomside
Terrible news. This must be hard. Time to reflect...

I admire your build, don't give up.

Regards,

Peter
LUS

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:21 am
by Dougster
Hard to bear I know. Wish I lived nearby and could lend a hand now and then on the build. With me helping you could easily knock of a 4 hour job in 5 or 6...
Sure have appreciated you thread here and was sad to hear of your loss.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:47 am
by gstanfield
After returning to the forum this thread was one of the first places I checked in. The flip was so exciting and catching up on the progress has been great. I finally got caught up this morning only to see the recent news and my heart is broken for you. My condolences to you and your family.

George

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm
by terrulian
Bad news, Rick, very sorry to hear it. We'll hope to see more sanding vids when you're up to it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:34 am
by BB Sig
Sorry for your loss. :(

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 9:52 am
by Knottybuoyz
In case you were wondering what I've been up to.

https://youtu.be/4utO2d4hG_g

Sorry for the slow update. Should be back at the boat full time soon.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 11:33 am
by jonnymac
Glad you’re doing alright. Look forward to the next update!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 12:54 pm
by Jeff
Good to have you back!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:02 pm
by Dougster
Good to hear from you and glad you're on top of the health stuff. Sounds like really fine care you're getting (don't want to think about what it would cost here in the U.S. 8O ) After nearly a week of poking and prodding your using humor is probably the best way to deal with it. Dignity, well I think we best leave that in the car in the parking lot when it comes to hospitals and clinics. Glad to see you on the boat.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:18 pm
by Rickk
Glad you're back in one piece Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 6:32 pm
by glossieblack
Encouraging update! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update. Not much exciting. Stamina is still an issue.

https://youtu.be/4ZGIwqniA4I

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:37 pm
by Jaysen
I deleted your post in Tim’s thread. 😁

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:10 pm
by fallguy1000
Any word from Rick? A little worried now.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Any rumour of my demise is greatly exaggerated. I'm still alive. Been busy doing some other jobs that needed to get done. Finally made it into the shed for spring clean up today. Tossed together a video update.

Can't believe this is the 11th. yr of actually building this monster. I'm feeling a lot better this year having lost 75 lbs over the last 12 months. More energy and endurance should help accellerate the project (I hope).

https://youtu.be/iOrmO744VHg

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Standby, more to come. Thanks for sticking around.

Cheers!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:25 am
by Fuzz
This is a good lesson for those thinking they want to build a big boat. It is hard to really understand the time involved until you have done it. Good job hanging in there with the project!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:43 am
by fallguy1000
Stay at it Rick. I use worklists a ton because so much of my work is sequenced...

I built kitchen cabinets and all my tools are there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:11 am
by Dougster
Nice to see you carrying on and looking forward to future posts.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:54 am
by Jeff
Nice losing that weight!!! Great job!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:45 am
by cape man
I'm still watching as long as you are still building!!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:25 pm
by TheBroomside
Rick,
Nice t o hear all is well with you and the build.
You have lots of space around your engine. Keep it like that, you will enjoy it.
I am quite happy with the 28 feet of the Luka. But working at the engine and the drive train - and this will happen - is a pain. Then I am missing an extra 2 feet, life would be easier then.
Still a big fan of the TW28.

Peter,
Lus

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:41 pm
by TomW1
Great to hear from you Rick. Motor looks great in that space.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
G'day folks

Been waiting anxiously for supplies. Great Service from BBC and I had epoxy in my shed in 3 days from FLA to Upstate NY. Doesn't get any better than that. All in I an get the Marinepoxy in my shed for $130 Canadian per gallon. To contrast that with the best price I can find here in Eastern Ontario is $235/gallon. Also got across the border into NY to get to HarborFreight for some shop supplies. My friends in Australia sent me a new full face respiratore mask. I never really expected anyone to buy me anything off of my Amazon Wish List but they did. Wonderful people.

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Othere than that wile I was waiting I got the deck glued into the hull in the fwd berth area. Also milled up some white oak for the rubbing strip that'll run along the hull seam.

https://youtu.be/o-h0iqowxNw

Back in the shed after the long weekend. Happy Canada Day to those North of the border. Happy 4th. of July to those to the south.

Cheers

Rick & Lori
M/V SHE:KON

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:08 am
by Jeff
Rick, thank you for the kind comments!!! I really enjoy your build!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:24 am
by cape man
Great to see you back at it!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:26 pm
by Rickk
Glad you're back at it Rick. Can you zoom way out and give us the overview of what is done and needing to be done? I'm guessing you are getting close?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:39 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Rickk wrote: Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:26 pm Glad you're back at it Rick. Can you zoom way out and give us the overview of what is done and needing to be done? I'm guessing you are getting close?
Hi Rickk.

I'm not even close to finishing this monster off. Inbetween family obligations, shitty weather and Covid the last two years have been disappointing. Picking up the pace a bit this year. I'm feeling a lot better after loosing 80 lbs of bacon. :D I broke out the sport camera's this week and you can get an overlook of the boat in the latest YouTube offering.

https://youtu.be/Gi5RE8Fe738

Still a tremendous amount of work to do. I should have the whole fwd section including decks and cabin done in the next week or so. After that I need to firm up the main cabin structure and get the sides on. Don't know if I'll be able to get to the main cabin top this year.

Thanks again. Cheers!

Rick
www.she-kon.com (YouTube channel)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Here's today's Rough Cuts video. It's a long one. Filleting, taping & peel ply of fwd deck to cabin front join. Had to scamper before some very nasty weather moved in.

https://youtu.be/ZGjK6cPqrDA

Cheers

Rick
www.she-kon.com (Youtube channel)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:55 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Yesterday's vLog update:

https://youtu.be/oMhSgcf1RK0

Today's Rough Cuts:

https://youtu.be/ojtVJYhn1mQ

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sorry I haven't been around her lately. My bad. I've been terribly busy. Boat work and life obligations.

Here's my latest vLog update:
https://youtu.be/tJxew3mDDLo

Dealing with the forward wind screens and side deck issue. Plenty of fitment issues again my fault. I did notice when doing the wind screens both port & starboard sides were cut differently. Looked like a tool offset issue by the CNC. In the end I had to make a new panel from the starboard side, which fit better. They should have been mirror images of one another. Have encountered this with the CNC cut kit before. I assume these issues have been dealt with by now.

Our YouTube channel had quite a few videos now. www.SHE-KON.com

For those that werw wondering She:Kon is the traditional Mohawk greeting which means Greetings/Hello and is pronounced Say-Go. We live in a village called Iroquois of which Mohawk are the largest nation within the Iroquois Confederacy.

You can follow along with daily picture postings on my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/KnottyBuoyz/

I will try to be back more often.

Cheers

Rick & Lori

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas

Here's an overview of the boat. Not a great pic but space is pretty tight in the shed.

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Also my latest vLog update:

https://youtu.be/oQj1N7dBqiY

I usually post daily to my facebook page:https://www.facebook.com/KnottyBuoyz/

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
Yesterday in the boat shed. CAD - Cardboard Aided Design :x

https://youtu.be/KIrbvUGLnRk

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:43 am
by pee wee
Looking good!! You're getting to some of the sexy bits now, nice! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:43 am Looking good!! You're getting to some of the sexy bits now, nice! 8)
Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's vLog Update:

https://youtu.be/USt6YiYVrPY

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:41 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Out with the old!

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In with the new!

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Should have the new panel by next Monday then we'll canabalize the old panel for wiring harnass etc. and assemble the new panel.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:04 pm
by Jeff
Nice Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Ooops, sorry.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:22 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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The origional Yanmar wiring harnass was canabilized for this panel. Added gauges needed new wiring. Two fuel gauges, one for port and one for starboard tank. Fuel can be transferred between the two tanks using the switch. Key is to lockout the pump so it cannot be accidentally switched on.

#TryingToStayWarm

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:28 pm
by Jeff
Very well done!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:42 pm
by fallguy1000
It looks good, but probably the two spades will not meet the 6 pound pull test.

I found the ticonn space terminals unable to pair the dimple. Spent hours looking for alternatives and finally found some custom spades sold by ...the big switch maker whose name momentarily eludes

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:42 pm It looks good, but probably the two spades will not meet the 6 pound pull test.

I found the ticonn space terminals unable to pair the dimple. Spent hours looking for alternatives and finally found some custom spades sold by ...the big switch maker whose name momentarily eludes
I did a test. All I had was a 5 lb ham the wife had ready for tonight's dinner. I hung it from one of the spade terminals. Turned my back for a brief second and the dog ate the ham. 8O :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:37 am
by fallguy1000
Oh, man. It almost feels like I owe you a 5 pound ham.

Basically, just pull on it between thumb and forefinger. A hard pull is over 6 pounds. A light pull is about 2. Or you can tape a line to a 6# weight to get a feel for it.

If it comes off easy; it is no good. Hard passes.

You'll know as a fussy builder whether to accept it or not. My surveyor pre warned me on a few of mine I did not like and asked about. He said they were not good enough.

If you think they'd fall away in hard 4' sea pounding; they ain't good enough.

Another thing I don't see which my surveyor demanded was wire labels. Everything is labeled on at least one end if each wire, but if they travelled farther, both ends. Now, on the helm console; this may be a bit much, but labelling was required by my surveyor and has helped me immensely already in my own work/rework.

I used a label maker. Rhino 5200. I probably spent about 150 for the machine and 125 on labels..fyi

They make a heat shrink label and a tape wrap. I used both cuz sometimes already had the ends on and the wrap didn't fit..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:14 pm
by fallguy1000
Not sure what standard you follow in Canada, but ABYC E11.14.4 requires a label on each wire.

So, for other builders who will want insurance survey..

Here is the language.

11.14.4

11.14.4.1
WIRING IDENTIFICATION FOR DC SYSTEMS
Each electrical conductor that is part of the boat's electrical system shall have a means to identify its function in the system.
EXCEPTION: Pigtails less than seven inches (175mm) in length.

11.14.4.1.2 Insulated grounding conductors shall be identified by the color green or green with yellow stripe(s).

11.14.4.1.3 The color code shown in TABLE XIV identifies colors for DC conductors used for general wiring purposes on boats.
NOTE: The color code shown in Table XIV identifies one selection of colors for use as an engine and accessory wiring color code. Other means of identification may be used providing a wiring diagram of the system indicating the method of identification is provided with each boat.

11.14.4.1.4 Color-coding accomplished by colored sleeving or color application to wiring shall be applied at termination points.

11.14.4.1.4.1 Tape used to mark a wire, shall be at least 3/16 inch (5mm) in width, and shall have sufficient length to make at least two complete turns around the conductor to be marked. The tape shall be applied to be visible near each terminal.

11.14.4.1.1
E-11 7/08

11.14.4.2 FOR AC SYSTEMS
11.14.4.2.1 Conductors shall be identified to indicate circuit polarity as follows:
ungrounded conductor
black or brown
grounded neutral conductor
white, or light blue
grounding conductor
green, green w/yellow stripe
additional ungrounded conductors
red, orange, blue
additional colors for ungrounded conductors (black)
Black w/red stripe Black w/ blue stripe Black w/ orange stripe

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:37 am Oh, man. It almost feels like I owe you a 5 pound ham.
I am not an expert in marine electrical, but my sense of humor indicates the use of a ham as a joke. Which I thought it was funny. Even though there is no reference the connector held up to the 5-pound ham and the dog removal of the ham. I would think the dog did not untie anything but just gave it a good solid jerk, maybe a 6 pound jerk?





:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
No Ham's or doggies were harmed in the making of my last post! :-)

Just to put you all at ease I do have a copy of the ABYC standards and the Canadian Small Vessel Construction Standards. After nearly 40 years on the Canadian Coast Guard I was able to keep copies of both. Although I may not totally follow them to the letter I do try. My electrical system was designed about 15 yrs ago by a Marine Electrical Engineer I worked with. I needs updating because things like LIFEP04 batteries etc. weren't even a thing back then. Anyhow I digress.

I do label everything. This spring I overhauled the DC electrics in our RV. These pics are from that project.

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As to the pull test. I do actually test each connection. The ham test was just a joke. Sorry. I do use quality connectors, all tinned shrink wrap style. Not Ancor but a brand I've used for years and trust.

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I use a number of crimpers and do have the proper dies for the double crimp.

Cheers fella's

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:37 pm
by BarraMan
Its easy to dislike someone who does electrical work as neatly as that! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:10 am
by cape man
I will never post a picture of my electrical work because of guys like you! Wow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:20 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Todays little indoor task was to clean up some of the wiring on the Mimic Panel. There are 27 pieces of equipment with indicator lights on the panel. All numbered.

Before
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After
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Mimic Panel Wiring Codes

1 Search Light Bow
2 Windlass Energized
3 Windlass Operating
4 Bow Thruster Energized
5 Bow Thruster Operating
6 A/C Circulating Pump
7 Air Conditioner
8 Shower Sump
9 Bilge Pump Forward
10 Port Navigation Light
11 Search Light Cabin Top
12 Mast Head Running Light
13 Inverter
14 Starboard Navigation Light
15 Macerator
16 Anchor Light
17 Battery Charger
18 Fuel Transfer Pump Energized
19 Fuel Transfer Pump Running
20 Engineroom Blower
21 Fresh Water Circulatino Pump
22 Crash Pump Energized
23 Crash Pump Running
24 Diesel Cabin Heater
25 Hot Water Heater
26 Bilge Pump Aft
27 Stern Navigation Light

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:09 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's bonus episode. Working on organizing the wires for the mimic panel.

https://youtu.be/zQtwDDUL0K4

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:30 pm
by fallguy1000
My wiring is all digital. It is all backfed, so none of the switching is in line. Took me awhile to comprehend it all. And I'm a little scared of troubleshooting failure.

And all configured via software. This is different, of course, but still a lot with 27 circuits.

I don't understand how you can tie all the grounds. The only way you can do so is by right sizing the conductor each time. Those grounds are all supposed to go to a bus. And from that bus, you size the wire for the appropriate total load to the battery or another bus, etc.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:43 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:30 pm My wiring is all digital. It is all backfed, so none of the switching is in line. Took me awhile to comprehend it all. And I'm a little scared of troubleshooting failure.

And all configured via software. This is different, of course, but still a lot with 27 circuits.
I wish I knew more about accomplishing this digitally but I don't. It is a bit of an experiment.
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:30 pm I don't understand how you can tie all the grounds. The only way you can do so is by right sizing the conductor each time. Those grounds are all supposed to go to a bus. And from that bus, you size the wire for the appropriate total load to the battery or another bus, etc.
I think in essence I'm creating a buss by tying the grounds together. I may switch the Euro connectors to a buss. All are very low load, 1.5mA @ 12V and 2.3mA @ 120V. The conductor size is what is on the LED's and I'm assuming they're capable of carrying any load to the LED. Tying the groups together with a slightly larger conductor all run to the switch (except AC circuits). I'll try to put together a dwg.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:54 am
by Jaysen
There’s nothing candy about digital signaling. The basic circuit is the same as any relay. The fancy part is what/how the relay is managed. In cases of simple lightning a PWM signal from a microcontroller tickles the gate if a high load voltage controller. Bigger circuits, the MC fires voltage to the relay trigger.

The only “magic” is the MC detecting the button press and taking action. For a simple 8 button circuit on a atmel 328p (arduino uno core) it is about 30 lines of code and another 48 to manage a config logic based action tree. Even simpler if your using a raspberry pi system or other SOC method.

Yes I’m a nerd. Yes I build this crap for “fun”.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:28 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:54 am There’s nothing candy about digital signaling. The basic circuit is the same as any relay. The fancy part is what/how the relay is managed. In cases of simple lightning a PWM signal from a microcontroller tickles the gate if a high load voltage controller. Bigger circuits, the MC fires voltage to the relay trigger.

The only “magic” is the MC detecting the button press and taking action. For a simple 8 button circuit on a atmel 328p (arduino uno core) it is about 30 lines of code and another 48 to manage a config logic based action tree. Even simpler if your using a raspberry pi system or other SOC method.

Yes I’m a nerd. Yes I build this crap for “fun”.
I understood absolutely NONE of what you just said! :doh: :)

"Simpler is better except when complicated looks really cool!" - Author unknown

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:45 am
by Jaysen
I get that a lot.

Short of it … magic.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:36 am
by fallguy1000
Doesn't the entire circuit load pass through the led? So, for say a 5amp pump; isn't that led just in the circuit?

Or is that power coming from a separate source from the switch?

??

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:46 am
by OrangeQuest
I like how neat everything turned out on your mimic panel. Looked like a lot of work in the video.


Wondering how you will control turning the LEDs on and off. I have my own opinion on it, we all do things the way we want to do them.
I assume to control on/off you would use the ground side; the side they all share in common. That is where two buss bars (one DC and one AC) would make that a lot easier, less connections and less points of failure. All grounds made before the first connector and then only need a connector for the signal side of the LEDs. Then a terminal block for those.
Easy to number the terminals on the buss bar and terminal block and then trouble shooting also would be easier. The use of the marine grade/standard eyelet connectors would also meet the standards for electrical connections on the boat.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:55 am
by fallguy1000
Another idea would be to add a dimmer. If you find out the leds are too bright; you can just add a dimmer.

MEETOOT DC Mini LED Dimmer Rotary Switch 12-24V LED Strip Light Brightness Controller On/Off Switch Inline Tact Switch Black with DC Female Connector https://a.co/d/gpKfHye

U r probably way ahead on this..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:09 am
by Jaysen
There are a couple different methods for enabling indicators (led).

On proper switching (on/off positions) the method OQ describes is common. The problem there is that you can’t dim as each indicator is separately powered. In those cases a floating ground is commonly used to allow single dimmer to control the brightness. This is old school method and requires nothing fancy (like pwm).

For momentary switches the norm is to use signaling feedback from the relay trigger with synchronized pwm. The cheap way is to have all pwm triggers with an inline filter to provide full signal to the relay. My favorite method is a secondary microcontroller at the switch panel that does nothing but manage switch state and indicator. The MC transmits action command to the central controller which triggers actual device.

Hope that’s not too much Latin.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:18 am
by OrangeQuest
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:36 am Doesn't the entire circuit load pass through the led? So, for say a 5amp pump; isn't that led just in the circuit?

Or is that power coming from a separate source from the switch?

??
I am assuming since it is a mimic panel.
The LEDS would not have any real current going through them, just a signal of power on the power side of the load they monitor. You could use very small wire for the signal wire. If I was doing it and had the time, I would run my signal wire off the positive side of the load itself, say a pump. I flip the switch to the pump, the light at the switch lights up but the pump doesn't come on. I look at the mimic panel and the LED is not lite, tells me the pump is not getting power to it but because there is power at the switch, switch light is lite, then I know there is an open connection somewhere going to the pump. It can also tell if the pump is under to much load, like debris on the impeller. Higher current will cause the LED to dim whereas the switch power light will not dim as easy.

If concerned of the brightness of the mimic panel, I would place it in an area that can easily be seen from the helm but not in front of the helmsman. Like off to the side and slightly behind the helm. Since there is a on/off switch you could just turn the panel off.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 am
by Jaysen
Mimic panel. Ignore my last post.

Ideally you would run from the positive term to the ground of the load. You’d need a voltage regulator or LED matched to the load voltage.

Do not put led in line. The LED will be acting as a fuse at that point and would need to be rated to handle full load.

The bigger question is “mimic of what?” If the panel is to indicate switch state then using load monitor is less than ideal. Think about a circuit that has multiple loads but needs to be off… if the monitored load is showing no power but switch is on then you’ve missed the mimic. I’d think mimic is about switch state and that complicates the wiring a bit.

I’m going to crawl back under my rock now. Sorry.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:36 am Doesn't the entire circuit load pass through the led? So, for say a 5amp pump; isn't that led just in the circuit?

Or is that power coming from a separate source from the switch?

??
My thoughts were that all grounds (DC) would be connected by single conductor to the boat's main DC buss. Each LED would only carry enough current to light them. In essence they would be in parallel. The source for each LED would in most cases be the main switch controlling that piece of equipment. The exception being the crash pump which will be energized all the time and that feed would come from the positive side of the switch in the bilge. None of the LED's would be required to carry the full load of all the circuits.

Does that make sense?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:46 am I like how neat everything turned out on your mimic panel. Looked like a lot of work in the video.
Thanks. A lot of thought went into it.
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:46 am Wondering how you will control turning the LEDs on and off. I have my own opinion on it, we all do things the way we want to do them.
I assume to control on/off you would use the ground side; the side they all share in common. That is where two buss bars (one DC and one AC) would make that a lot easier, less connections and less points of failure. All grounds made before the first connector and then only need a connector for the signal side of the LEDs. Then a terminal block for those.
That's exactly how I've set it up.
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:46 am Easy to number the terminals on the buss bar and terminal block and then trouble shooting also would be easier. The use of the marine grade/standard eyelet connectors would also meet the standards for electrical connections on the boat.
I could have done it that way but couldn't find eyelet terminal connectors small enough for 22 AWG wires. I have some that say they are, but they do not adequately crimp down on the wires with any reliability.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:55 am Another idea would be to add a dimmer. If you find out the leds are too bright; you can just add a dimmer.

MEETOOT DC Mini LED Dimmer Rotary Switch 12-24V LED Strip Light Brightness Controller On/Off Switch Inline Tact Switch Black with DC Female Connector https://a.co/d/gpKfHye

U r probably way ahead on this..
Think I mentioned in the video this panel will go in an overhead console. It will be easy enough to shade it from the driver's eyes. I had looked at LED Dimmers and decided a simple switch would be just fine. The switch is also lit.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:58 am
by Knottybuoyz
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:18 am I am assuming since it is a mimic panel.
The LEDS would not have any real current going through them, just a signal of power on the power side of the load they monitor. You could use very small wire for the signal wire. If I was doing it and had the time, I would run my signal wire off the positive side of the load itself, say a pump. I flip the switch to the pump, the light at the switch lights up but the pump doesn't come on. I look at the mimic panel and the LED is not lite, tells me the pump is not getting power to it but because there is power at the switch, switch light is lite, then I know there is an open connection somewhere going to the pump. It can also tell if the pump is under to much load, like debris on the impeller. Higher current will cause the LED to dim whereas the switch power light will not dim as easy.
That's exactly how I see it working. Most of the minor loads, Nav Lights etc. can draw from the dist panel. Some like the bilge pumps can draw from their switches in the bilge. Any high amperage loads like windlass, thruster etc. will draw current from the dist panel. These loads only trigger a solenoid to energize those loads. The actual load to operate them come directly from their battery source.
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:18 am If concerned of the brightness of the mimic panel, I would place it in an area that can easily be seen from the helm but not in front of the helmsman. Like off to the side and slightly behind the helm. Since there is a on/off switch you could just turn the panel off.
We'll tuck it up and can make sure it's not an issue.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 am Ideally you would run from the positive term to the ground of the load. You’d need a voltage regulator or LED matched to the load voltage.
The LED's match the current load.
Jaysen wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 am Do not put led in line. The LED will be acting as a fuse at that point and would need to be rated to handle full load.
They won't be inline. They're parallel to the load.
Jaysen wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 amThe bigger question is “mimic of what?” If the panel is to indicate switch state then using load monitor is less than ideal. Think about a circuit that has multiple loads but needs to be off… if the monitored load is showing no power but switch is on then you’ve missed the mimic. I’d think mimic is about switch state and that complicates the wiring a bit.
Let's call it a pseudo mimic panel, a facsimile of the real thing. It's a bit much to assume that this little project is anything more than that.
Jaysen wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:09 am I’m going to crawl back under my rock now. Sorry.
I may just join you!

Thanks for chipping in. Appreciate it from everyone.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:44 am
by fallguy1000
Interesting.

I don't think it'll work well or maybe not at all. Have you tested the concept? You are shorting the LED, so no current should flow through it unless perhaps the short has resistance? i.e. longer wire?

I think you need to relay all of that and it would also keep the lights all the same brightness.

So, you flip a switch and a relay turns on. That relay has current to deliver to the led. All the relays have the same power supply.

Take two cases. One with a 1amp draw and another with a 3amp draw.

Vdrop for each load will vary and so Vled will vary if they are not simply shorted.

No?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:49 am
by fallguy1000
I'm wrong about shorting it, had the wiring diagram in the noggin wrong. But I am right about led intensity I believe.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:18 pm
by OrangeQuest
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:49 am I'm wrong about shorting it, had the wiring diagram in the noggin wrong. But I am right about led intensity I believe.
You are over thinking it. Think of the word "mimic". It mimics the power LEDs at the switch. The power switch is turned on, the power on LED lights, then the LED on the mimic panel also lights up. If the mimic panel gets its positive power at the load device, it also acts like a test light at the load device showing the load device also has power. Because an LED is really a one-way valve for energy flow, it lights up when energy is flowing in the correct direction, then there is also no feedback. The LEDS for the AC side may need to go through a rectifier to cause energy to flow in only one direction and drop the voltage low enough not to overheat the LEDS and burn them out.

Seems the electrical engineer that designed and is assembling the mimic panel has everything under control. It is a very simple device, once it is all wired up and that labor used to do so.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:04 am
by fallguy1000
I think the voltage across the led varies from one led to another is all. So, they may have different intensity. All I'm sayin.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:47 am
by Knottybuoyz
https://youtu.be/4jEsgsDT9wc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:41 pm
by fallguy1000
Oh, I am sure it works. I did a bad schematic in my pea brain the first time. First in series, then a shorted parallel.

And now I understand the 3 way connections are for each circuit's parallel node, not to add all the grounds.

Do you know if the circuit which will vary in current affects the led? I have forgotten Gaussian method (thank God, it was a nightmare). I think it does not now and the green mimics are okay.

If you have the running load mimics in series; those will vary for sure; maybe even fry if the current exceeds rated. At first, I thought everything was that way is all.

Very cool Rick. I am a little jealous. Mine is quite nice, but deciphering what is on and not is not so nifty. For me, I have to know the way each indicator stays home a:o their lighting status. Very cryptic.

I still am in a quagmire on my refrigerator. I want to leave it on at the marina, but not all my helm station controls. I turn on dc distribution and it is all on or all off. And if all on, all my led helm console lights are on. So annoying!

I guess I need to run the refer on 24/7 circuits and add a lighted switch in the kitchen.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:46 pm
by mhd
Looks really sweet.

Question: Where did you get your volt-meter and ammeter? Which manufacturer?

Mick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
mhd wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:46 pm Looks really sweet.

Question: Where did you get your volt-meter and ammeter? Which manufacturer?

Mick
https://www.bluesea.com/products/catego ... log_Meters

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:45 pm
by mhd
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Thanks...Good luck with your build!

Mick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
Still tinkering with ideas for the Mimic Panel wiring etc. Learning a bit about all these tiny gadgets that rule our lives. It's mind boggling but I'm still keeping my head above water. It's hard to show restraint when presented with all the possibilities of what this technology can do. I'm simply using some of these common parts in an analog fashion to light up the pretty little LED's on the mimic panel. Most can be triggered and lit directly from the 12 volt source at the switch. Others require a relay to trigger the LED's. Some will need to sense AC current flowing into/out of the piece of equipment. Also had to purchase some tools etc. to make it a bit easier. My soldering experience is limited to copper water pipe and some speak wire. :lol:

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My God these parts are tiny. The wires are 24 AWG IIRC. For someone with monkey mitts like me it's a challenge to be sure. :doh:

Waiting on a couple more parts then we'll string it all together and see if it lights up!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:40 pm
by fallguy1000
I'm surprised you can't buy something, but I never tried.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
The AC voltage LEDS could be lit with just a bridge rectifier that converts the AC voltage to DC and drops the voltage at the same time.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:22 am
by Knottybuoyz
OrangeQuest wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:56 pm The AC voltage LEDS could be lit with just a bridge rectifier that converts the AC voltage to DC and drops the voltage at the same time.
I don't know. I'm still working on a solution to that. Pretty steep learning curve and AC electricity and I have a love/hate relationship. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:27 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:40 pm I'm surprised you can't buy something, but I never tried.
Oh ya probably can but where's the fun in that? Seriously this is interesting stuff.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fellas

Did up a slide show thing with pics that I took over this past year. Sorta sums up what I got done but there was too many to get into one video. Have a look.

https://youtu.be/9NkueqdLYIk

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:50 am
by pee wee
Very good job with the slideshow! With a project this size it may look to an outside observer like things are moving in slow motion (it takes longer than a small boat!). Getting a look at all the steps and seeing things completed drives home how much work you got behind you, and shows that you deserve a big sense of accomplishment. Atta Boy! :lol: 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:09 am
by Dougster
Fun set of slides, nice to see. Whole lotta work too. It's sure been fun following your build and I look forward to next year.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:53 am
by Jmk2000
Awesome job so far! She’s starting to really take shape. Love the lines. I think I found maybe 4 years ago a blog you were doing when you first started the boat. My the progress is well documented here. (Just found this forum). Keep it up!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
https://youtu.be/0TQaJsPe7Ns

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:00 pm
by Jmk2000
Not sure what happened but you video isn’t playable just an error message

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:02 am
by pee wee
Jmk2000 wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:00 pm Not sure what happened but you video isn’t playable just an error message
It works for me if I click on "Watch on YouTube".

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Sorry about that. Looks like YT has changed the way it serves up content to outside web sites. Went through this years ago with PhotoBucket and the reason I stopped using their service.

Here's the link to the video in YT: https://youtu.be/0TQaJsPe7Ns

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:57 pm
by Jaysen
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:04 pm Sorry about that. Looks like YT has changed the way it serves up content to outside web sites. https://youtu.be/0TQaJsPe7Ns
Yes and no... In this case youtube has changed the permission model to require you to explicitly set the video to public. Please edit the video to be "public" and it will display as normal. I can only view the vid if I login to youtube which is one of the noted effects of their model change. Its under the "visibility" setting. Make sure is is public.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:49 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Folks.

Lori and I are testing the waters with YouTube this year. We're trying to elevate our video editing skills and adding more cameras hopefully adding up to some improved production value. As well we're also branching out into "Live Streams" to help with our viewers engagement. All of this means a lot more work behind the scenes to edit and produce more interesting videos. That being said this past weekend we tried a Live Stream on YouTube where we had a few folks look in and participate. Mostly just a Q&A session. It went Ok, lighting, focus etc was an issue but we got it done. New camera on order to help with the exposure and auto focus issues. Check it out if you like.

https://www.youtube.com/live/E-ugYLBoGf0?feature=share

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:30 pm
by Jeff
Nice Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:27 am
by blueflood
Hi Rick,

Oh man, the patience :wink:
This is a huge boat project and you and Lori are still plowing along. I hope this season is productive.
If I ever drive down the east 401, I will make sure to stop and visit.

Keep plugging away :D

Marc
p.s. retirement from DND in a year or so. Big step tho and still debating but having Penny at the dock right in front of the house kind of makes me itchy to just hand in the release papers and work part time for a while.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:16 pm
by TomW1
Rick looking good you are moving along! I think I have gone through about 3 computers and bought and sold CL OD18 had hip replacement surgery as well as shoulder replacement surgery. Keep on going along and you will be launching in no time. Do you have a g eneral launch date end of 23 of 24 or 25? High quality building takes time.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:30 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:16 pm Rick looking good you are moving along! I think I have gone through about 3 computers and bought and sold CL OD18 had hip replacement surgery as well as shoulder replacement surgery. Keep on going along and you will be launching in no time. Do you have a g eneral launch date end of 23 of 24 or 25? High quality building takes time.

Tom
Hi Tom

I think we could have it in the water in a couple of years. That's optomistic. We're hoping for a much better year this year. I've got my temporary woodshop which helps, means I can start earlier in the year building out the internal furnishings and work a bit later into the season. Thanks for looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:34 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:16 pm Rick looking good you are moving along! I think I have gone through about 3 computers and bought and sold CL OD18 had hip replacement surgery as well as shoulder replacement surgery. Keep on going along and you will be launching in no time. Do you have a g eneral launch date end of 23 of 24 or 25? High quality building takes time.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Folks

Lori and I have put together a video scrapbook of the very early days of our boat building adventure. A lot of this stuff I had totally forgotten about. :doh: This is just one of the ways we spend our long dark nights up here in the Great Frozen North. There'll be a few more coming soon that'll take us up to about the point where we started posting videos on YouTube. So follow us along on our walk down memory lane.

https://youtu.be/NFAHEwtiJG4

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:52 am
by Dougster
Fun to watch. I've been following your build for some time and always enjoy the videos. What a project!

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Dougster wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:52 am Fun to watch. I've been following your build for some time and always enjoy the videos. What a project!

Dougster
Thanks Dougster. Really appreciate it. More fun to come.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This weeks slide show is the assembly and raising the Stimson Bow Shed.

https://youtu.be/K3g9YWxcw5o

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It was a lot of fun looking back that far.

Enjoy! Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:11 am
by Knottybuoyz
Lori and I will be going Live on Facebook and YouTube next Saturday, March 18 @ 6:00 PM EDT. If you would like to join us we'd love the opportunity to hear from all of you and give answers to any your questions about our project. We will be presenting some very exciting updates (normally reserved for Patreon Crew) on recent equipment acquisitions and plans for the upcoming boat building season.

Just click the link https://www.youtube.com/live/49M_L-b5ilo?feature=share and hit the "Notify Me" button!

PS. Don't upset Bart by not showing up. He's recovering from dental surgery and gets easily annoyed! 😉

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:22 pm
by Jeff
Rick, very sorry for your loss!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:40 pm
by TomW1
My condolences Rick and Lori, losing a friend like Black Bart is heart breaking. How old was he?

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:53 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the kind words fella's. It helps!

Bart was about 6 years old a big husky and gentle giant of a cat. Not quite Maine Coon size but pretty big. We thought we had narrowed his issue down to dental and had surgery scheduled for two weeks out. Last Friday he started to bleed from his mouth so we managed to get him into the vet on Monday. He was definitely in some distress at this point. A couple of times he cried out in extreme pain over the weekend. On Monday we had him at the vet for emergency surgery and he stayed overnight so they could monitor him. On Tuesday we went to pick him up and were called right in when the vet saw him. The news wasn't good. He, Dr. Cruickshank thinks Bart had had a heart attach over the weekend, as we described his crying out in pain, and that he had had another that morning and he wouldn't survive. He could only speculate on what may have caused the heart attachs but in his 40 yrs of being a vet he had never seen this happen to such a young cat. Likely some underlying illness involving his heart. We were utterly devistated. We had only had Bart, Bartholomew Roberts, named after the famous pirate Black Bart, for just a tad over 3 years.

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Some will say "Oh he was just a cat." But he was much more than that to us. Lori and I help out with a local Trap Neuter and Release (TNR) organization and have four of our own rescues we adopted plus three fosters in our care. We care for them dearly. You invite them into your home and they steal your heart.

Bart compared to his little sister.

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Thank you again for your kind words.

Rick & Lori

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:30 pm
by Jeff
So sorry guys!! Pets are part of your family!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:50 pm
by Dougster
Wish it wasn't so.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:04 pm
by TomW1
Oh, Rick such a young boy our sympathies to you and Lori. Deb and I lost one that adopted us from the woods from cancer at a young age so we feel your heartbreak.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:10 pm
by TomW1
Oh, Rick such a young boy our sympathies to you and Lori. Deb and I lost one that adopted us from the woods from cancer at a young age, so we feel your heartbreak.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for all the kind words on the loss of our dear Bart. They are much appreciated.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:08 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey folks

It's that time of year again. Mother Nature is cooperating a bit and given me a small window to start back working on the boat. I've just released the season opener video on YouTube. Check it out. Leave a comment. Hit the Like button and Subscribe to our Channel if you haven't already. This year is shaping up to be busy and a lot of fun. We're anxiously awaiting the arrival of our Wynne Industries windows for the main cabin. A big expenditure but will certainly go a long way to turning this project into a proper looking boat. The electrical equipment is here, all Renogy, and that's the guts of what I really want to sink my teeth into! :-)

https://youtu.be/TFIHw1J93uw

Thanks for hanging in there with me. It was a long cold, dark and boring winter.

Cheers!

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:45 am
by Dougster
Fun to watch, as usual. Glad to see you at it.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:29 pm
by TomW1
Glad to see you able to start back up on her, look forward to following your progress this year. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 10:48 am
by Jeff
Glad you are back at work Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 3:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Life in the bilges. :lol:

Latest vLog on YouTube

https://youtu.be/UCQ6rBsgFgo

Not a word was spoken, for a change! :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 9:56 pm
by TomW1
Had to stop watching half way through the glare off that bald head was blinding me. :lol: :lol: :lol: Job well done. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 5:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 9:56 pm Had to stop watching half way through the glare off that bald head was blinding me. :lol: :lol: :lol: Job well done. :D
That space is for rent for advertising! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 4:47 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas

On todays vLog I show you exactly how to loose weight building a boat. :lol:

https://youtu.be/lUiOmjl0qLQ

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon May 22, 2023 11:01 am
by Jeff
Rick, congrats on the weight loss!!! Did you receive your last order? UPS says it was delivered last Thursday!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 3:32 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:01 am Rick, congrats on the weight loss!!! Did you receive your last order? UPS says it was delivered last Thursday!! Jeff
Hi Jeff

Yes it's in Ogdensburg, just haven't picked it up yet. UPS used to have an app on their site to advise if the order had been received. It's no longer there. All's good buddy.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 3:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fellas & Gals

I managed to work myself ahead in YT video's so we put the camera's down for awhile and decided to knock out some jobs. Our latest venture was glassing the aft cockpit panels that will be permanently attached. And, you know it's going to get busy when the Admiral is preparing lists. Here's ours checked off.

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Step 1: Sand and wipe down everything. It got dusty.

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Lori even jumped in to do the corners! Facebook VIdeo

I estimated we would use about 1 gal of epoxy. The glass we used is a 28 oz/sq yd quadaxial because it's what we have in leftover pieces large enough to get the three main areas done. The panels with red tape on the edges will be semipermantenly removable.

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Looking over the finished job.

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I think she's happy we're done! Certainly went a lot faster with two of us pre-wetting and rolling out the glass & peel ply. Alone probably would have taken me 3-4 hours. Both of us together knocked it out in about an hour.

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It was warm in the boat shed about 90 degs F so even with slow hardener we had to scramble. Made it through without any epoxy kicking off on us! I'm just a little bit tired. Being Canadian and the fact our igloos just melted last week 90 degs is a wee bit warm on this old fart.

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Thanks for lookin in. Hope you're all well and happy and building boats.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 6:35 pm
by TomW1
Nice Rick, good to see Lori in some of your pics. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:48 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:35 pm Nice Rick, good to see Lori in some of your pics. Tom
She'l be back in a big way in the up videos. #teamwork

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 9:16 am
by fallguy1000
Pro tip.

Throw away all clothing with epoxy on. I had a pair of underwear with a spot of epoxy about the size of a nickel. Well, one evening my left hip was hurtin and I just happened to put the heating pad on that hip on the epoxy spot. I dozed off and woke up with a terrible pain and proceeded to watch a blister grow to the size of a 50 cent piece over a 30 minute period.

So, I post cured my undershorts. But, you know, it can happen to anyone because if you have a spot of epoxy and the sun hits it hard; it'll do the same, not to mention the skin contact to that spot is repeated as well.

Anyhow, throw out clothes that get epoxy on them. Now, I'm pretty religious. A crusty spot and the thing becomes a shop rag.

Sounds to me the admiral wants her ship launched before another freezeup. Can it happen?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 1:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Not gonna happen this year Fallguy. I still have a shitload of stuff to do. We'll see how far along I get this year. I want to get the main cabin top on and the entire outside faired and ready for paint. We'll see.

Here's a teaser of what happened today in the boat shed.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:59 am
by Knottybuoyz
Lori joins me to help out tabbing the cockpit deck to the deckbeams etc.

https://youtu.be/ia-bKBlViEc

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:23 am
by Dougster
Nice. The Admiral knows epoxy---love the paint stir attachment/drill trick for stirring. After watching I wanted to take some ibuprofen in sympathy.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Dougster wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:23 am Nice. The Admiral knows epoxy---love the paint stir attachment/drill trick for stirring. After watching I wanted to take some ibuprofen in sympathy.

Dougster
Hey Dougster

Yeah, Lori's killing it. Keeps me hoppin'!! Think I took about a half dozen Tylenol Extra Strength. I don't remember much when I woke up 36 hrs later. :lol: Just kidding.

Today I was out cutting more holes in my hull. This time for an air inlet to a bilge blower. Right deadnuts in the transom! 8O
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This pic is from our Patreon only content. If you're interested in seeing more there's a 7 day free trial. If it's not for you just cance. Admin delete if not allowed.

patreon.com/user?u=14325813

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:21 pm
by Jaysen
Knottybuoyz wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:13 pm Today I was out cutting more holes in my hull. This time for an air inlet to a bilge blower. Right deadnuts in the transom! 8O
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This pic is from our Patreon only content. If you're interested in seeing more there's a 7 day free trial. If it's not for you just cance. Admin delete if not allowed.

patreon.com/user?u=14325813

Cheers
The work you're doing... hard to keep those big ones moving forward without some help now and again. Hopefully Jeff will agree.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
Today's vLog update: Lori joins in to knock out a small laminating job in no time. Had trouble with the sound again. Frikkin' sport camera's suck. Anyhow here ya go....

https://youtu.be/mVBE7Jkhk08

Be sure to leave a comment there. It helps a lot. Our little channel has grown quite a bit in the last year and we just passed 600 subscribers. Watch time is still lagging so sit back and relax and watch me suffer endless sanding, glassing, fairing etc.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 1:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Mixed up the BIGGEST batch of Marinepoxy today! It was HUGE!!!

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So that's what $25 worth of epoxy looks like nowadays! :lol:

Today's vLog on YT is online now.

https://youtu.be/cDiBysWgYr4

Plugging away dirilling holes in my transom. 8O

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:00 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey Fella's

It's been awhile but I've been busy. One of the things I plan to do is use a Honda 2000 generator on the boat. I wanted it inboard and have made a compartment for it in the lazarette area.

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The exhaust system is dry and I've accounted for that with the thru-hull outlet that is the same as an onboard diesel heater.

https://youtu.be/DE6H35kK8mE

The cockpit will have forced air for gas vapor and heat evacuation from the compartment.

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That blower is a Perko from the early 60's. Cast aluminum housing and still runs perfectly. It came out of a mid 60's Chrysler runabout. I also have the deck clam vents to use as well.

The comparment got insulated with an acoustic and reflective insulation. Don't ask me where I bought it! :lol: I've used this type of insulation before in cars and on the boat. I hope it works well.

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The steel exhaust will be wrapped with insulation as well. When it's reayd I'll test it for heat & sound and post a video here.

Too hot today for work on the boat. When I closed up yesterday it was 47 degs C (116 F) up on the boat. We had laminated a good portion of the foredeck yesterday an it didn't turn out a sell as I had hoped. We peel plied it and everything. Babysat it for an hour and a half. This morning I had bubbles. 8O I figure the heat drove out what little moisture there was in the plywood and caused those. So it'll be back to sanding again. I'm giving up on the cheap peel ply I've been using.

That's it for now. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:45 pm
by TomW1
I like the idea of the generator on the boat Rick. My concern is the gas tank in the same compartment. Can you separate the two so heat from the generator does not affect the gas tank. Am closely following and enjoying your build and can't wait till you launch.

Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:45 pm I like the idea of the generator on the boat Rick. My concern is the gas tank in the same compartment. Can you separate the two so heat from the generator does not affect the gas tank. Am closely following and enjoying your build and can't wait till you launch.

Tom
Both will go in as in the picture. I don't think it'll get hot enough to cause any issues. If it does I can put a divider in and insulate that. I will monitor temps etc. when I get the doors insulated and in place with the wife's roast thermometer! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:00 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update is live on YouTube. Lori and I tackle tabbing and taping the windscreen bulkhead.

https://youtu.be/Pt-YyO5rooU

Hope you enjoy our pain! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
Generator and gas tank dry fit.

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Too hot to do any fiberglass work today. :oops:

Standby

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:14 am
by Knottybuoyz
First you make it ugly. Later you make it pretty. Glad to get the whole forward end of the boat glassed. Will dress it up next spring with another layer of glass and fairing.

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Loooooooooong video of Lori and I laminating the cabin top.

https://youtu.be/4hTmuO7suk8

I know that one's hard to watch being so long but keep going till your eyes bleed! :lol: We appreciate you looking in.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:49 am
by pee wee
I'm watching you guys rolling batch after batch of that epoxy and wondering just how many gallons you've used so far! What a project, and what commitment. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:49 am I'm watching you guys rolling batch after batch of that epoxy and wondering just how many gallons you've used so far! What a project, and what commitment. 8)
I Pee Wee

Somewhere north of 100 gallons. That's where I quit counting. :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:15 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Prepping some T&G pine for the deckhead (ceiling) of the main cabin

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Backside of these pieces are all epoxy painted as they won't be seen. Admiral admiring her admiral painting skills! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
Got a little bit of work done on the deckhead (ceiling) liner. Just dry fit. Gotta figure out how to assemble all this without snookering myself.

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I have to finish the aft bulkhead inside before I can dryfit the deckhead panels there. So Lori and I laminated a sheet of cherry veneer ply to a foam core substrate. Worked perfectly.

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A new addition to the arsenal.

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That's pretty much where we're at. Laying out drawings where all the services will have to be installed between the deckhead and cabin top.

Standby.....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:29 pm
by glossieblack
Getting there. :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:53 pm
by TomW1
I love the look of the veneer. Will youu be staining it or just putting a good clear coat on it. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:38 am
by Knottybuoyz
TomW1 wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:53 pm I love the look of the veneer. Will youu be staining it or just putting a good clear coat on it. Tom
Hi Tom

Testing stains and clear coatings this morning.

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Also the length of time to leave the stain on the piece before wiping it off.

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The clear winner, because we're trying to replicate the finish we have on our kitchen cupboards is MinWax Cherry stain, left on for 5 mins and wiped off followed up by Varathane Ultimate Spar Urethane Satin polyurethane finish. It's gonna be fun!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:14 pm
by TomW1
Cool I don't think there is any better cherry stain than the MinWax have used it several times. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:56 am
by pee wee
That looks really good! I will say that having worked with hardwood a good bit, I see a familiar sight- an uneven stain.

Cherry is one of those woods (maple is another) that is challenging to stain, as it tends to show blotchy. The same grain that makes the wood look pretty also absorbs stains unevenly. There are a number of tricks people use to get it to come out more evenly, pretty much all of them involve applying some clear stuff that soaks in and prevents the following stain from being too aggressive when it goes on. Minwax makes a product, I think it's called wood conditioner, that helps. Some people swear by boiled linseed oil, thinned first. Sanding to a finer grit than normal helps a little. Whatever you apply first will keep the stain from soaking in so fast, so you'd have to leave the stain on longer to get the color you want, maybe two applications.

You would be justified in saying that it looks fine the way it is, it does look good already. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:17 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:56 am That looks really good! I will say that having worked with hardwood a good bit, I see a familiar sight- an uneven stain.

Cherry is one of those woods (maple is another) that is challenging to stain, as it tends to show blotchy. The same grain that makes the wood look pretty also absorbs stains unevenly. There are a number of tricks people use to get it to come out more evenly, pretty much all of them involve applying some clear stuff that soaks in and prevents the following stain from being too aggressive when it goes on. Minwax makes a product, I think it's called wood conditioner, that helps. Some people swear by boiled linseed oil, thinned first. Sanding to a finer grit than normal helps a little. Whatever you apply first will keep the stain from soaking in so fast, so you'd have to leave the stain on longer to get the color you want, maybe two applications.

You would be justified in saying that it looks fine the way it is, it does look good already. 8)
Thanks for the tips pee wee. Will look into that. It appears the veneer is more prone to blotching than actual plank or milled lumber. We're leaning towards early wiping off (5 mins max). Cherry will naturally darken over time with exposure to UV and oxygen, the surface will oxidize. It can take years though and that's Ok. Our kitchen cupboards have a beautiful deep patina after 7 yrs now. I will look into that wood conditioner and do a few tests, we have time before we have to finish the panels. Can't leave them bare in the boat over the winter.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:52 am
by pee wee
Years ago I heard a story about a furniture maker who had was building a cherry table. He put it outside on a sunny day so the wood would darken naturally, before he put a finish on it. The mailman happened by right after he put it out, and placed his mail on the table. When he went to check on the table hours later, there was his mail, and a nicely darkened table with a mail shaped light spot underneath.

I guess the lesson for us is that with sun exposure the color shifts pretty quickly. You have to be done sanding on it before you age the surface.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:01 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:52 am Years ago I heard a story about a furniture maker who had was building a cherry table. He put it outside on a sunny day so the wood would darken naturally, before he put a finish on it. The mailman happened by right after he put it out, and placed his mail on the table. When he went to check on the table hours later, there was his mail, and a nicely darkened table with a mail shaped light spot underneath.

I guess the lesson for us is that with sun exposure the color shifts pretty quickly. You have to be done sanding on it before you age the surface.
That's true. I had the sheets strapped on my utility trailer for the 1 hr ride home. When I got home and took the straps off the top sheet had "Tan Lines". Luckily, or smarly, I put the sheets good side down.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Last panel, for now, laminated this morning.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas

Been puttering away on the main cabin top and ceiling. Learning a lot expecially big box store T&G is shit. I may at some point in time replace these with making my own. Anyhow. Started the day yesterday with dryfitting the marine ply to the cabin top.

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The eyebrow was first. Lining it up carefully so the rest sort of all into place.

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The 8' wide panels weren't quite wide enough to give me the overhang I'm looking for so I pulled them down and scabbed on an 1-3/4'rs piece to each end. This will give me plenty to trim back to the desired width.

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While the epoxy cures I moved onto putting the T&G on the last section of the main cabin. These will panels will be glued togethe into 4 larger panels that can be removed if niecessary. Which it likely will at some point.

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I'll have to bring them all down, sand down and fair before paiting again. I got one foot too far ahead of myself. Not knowing what I'm doing is par for this project. Anyhow it will work fnie for now. Might not look exactly nice but it's functional.

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That's about it for now. It's going to take a few days to get the two sheets finished before they can be put back up on the boat in prep for glassing. Until then Lori and I will be staining and finish coating the cherry cabin sides.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:09 am
by Jeff
Nice progress Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:38 am
by pee wee
Once that t&g is up you may find that it isn't so bad, it looks pretty nice in the photos. I do see daylight between some of the boards, which I wouldn't expect . . but once it's finished you may find it's good enough.

I recently watched one of your old videos, sanding and fairing the hull bottom (may have been part XXI or XXV), fascinating! LoL, it's encouraging to see the cabin taking shape.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 5:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks Jeff & pee wee. I look back at some of those crappy video's and I don't remember doing half that stuff. I do remember fairing the hull. Took me one whole summer. Kind of like fairing a school bus after you've filled in the windows. :lol: The daylight you see in the ceiling will disappear. Not all the panels are glued together yet and the cabin top is not installed yet. That's coming soon.

Today Lori and I tried our hands at conditioning the cherry veneer & staining. One success and one with some blotchiness. Not sure what we did wrong on the second one. It's in the pics below. May not have left the conditioner on long enough.

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I'm going to try my hand at putting the poly finish on the first test piece tomorrow.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:12 am
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:49 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So this morning Lori and I continued our experiments in staining and finishing. I got three coats of varathane on my test panel. It turned out absolutely perfect. Almost idiotproof. :lol:
Lori got her test panel conditioned and stained and will put the finish on tomorrow.

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The colour is identical to our kitchen cupboards which is what we were looking for. Now once she gets her test panel finished we'll go into production and finish the interior panels. It's going to take about 3-4 days with wait times etc.

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Yesterday's vLog update on YouTube. You guys would have seen a lot of this if you've been following here or on Facebook.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/spwMR14pCC4[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
First two of the main cabin side panels dryfit. Apologize for the crappy picture.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Hey folks

So today in the boat shop I had to get to work on the main cabin top. This is where a lot of stuff will be going on. First up was laminating the underside of the 'eyebrow'. Pretty straight forward stuff.

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Next up was locating where the windshield wiper motors will go. There's not enough room between the top of the windscreen frames and the cabin top. My solution, after much navel gazing, is to make hollow bases for the searchlights, yes there will be two of them.


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I made the bases from 4 layers of marine ply, this is why you keep your offcuts, cut into concentric smaller circles.

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These bases will get filled and faired and will be vacuumed bagged onto the eyebrow once it's installed.

That's about it for now. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:33 pm
by Knottybuoyz
My not so elegant solution to hiding the wiper motors. I have to invert them so they don't interfere with the windscreen frame. Problem was how to hide them as they now stick through the eyebrow.

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https://youtu.be/p6VnCYegjgA

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These bases will be filled and faired then full incorporated into the cabin top when it's glassed.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:59 pm
by Knottybuoyz
September 1 update

Lori stains and Varathanes the main cabin aft bulkhead, port side.

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I get the first panel on the main cabin roof. Bit of a milestone. Been working towards this for awhile now.

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That is all. Carry on with your regular Internet browsing. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:21 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Afternoon update. Second cabin top panel glued & screwed.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:31 am
by pee wee
That looks great! 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed, before it gets hot!

Trying to figure out how to frame up a hard top over the cockpit.

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I've looked back at everyone else who's built hard tops on their TW28's for inspiration. This is basically what I could come up with using what I already have.

What i figured was making the hard top basically follow the curve of the cabin sides. This started with using the same angle as the cabin sides, 85 degs +- a quarter degree.

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Everything is basically hanging in free air so it was a bit difficult to get it to settle down to the point I could take some measurements. Everytime I moved on the boat it moved.

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As you see I think I got it pretty close.

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That's it for now. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Last of the main cabin panels. Stained awaiting varathane finish this evening. If it cools down a bit.

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I managed to get the cockpit hard top beams trimmed to shape before the heat drove me out of the boat shed.

It's hot and we're Canadian. Bring on the snow! :lol: Sorry 'bout the metric to all our friends below the border.

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Hope you're all having a great long weekend. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:02 pm
by Knottybuoyz
It got pretty hot in the boat shed today. Started off about 24C (75F) and rose steadily till it hit 31C (88F) and if you take into account the humidex 41C (106F) there wasn't any way I could continue past 11:30 this morning.

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First thing this morning 7:30 I got the second coat of poly on the last two main cabin panels and Lori got the third and final panel done about 10:00.

Next up was glassing the undersides of the cockpit side decks.

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And feeling the heat I soldiered on and got the port side main cabin side filleted and taped to the side deck.

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After all that I had a nap. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:26 pm
by Jaysen
I remember when 26c was too hot. Now it’s the temp we keep the house!

That is going to be on heck of a nice boat for you and the Mrs. I keep thinking of the “how do you eat an elephant…” philosophy every time I see you post an update.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:29 pm
by Jeff
Rick, that is a little too warm for me!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Main cabin and forward part of cockpit hard top panel glued & screwed.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:14 am
by Jeff
Nice progress Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:14 am Nice progress Rick!!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff. Appreciate it.

Today made two attempts to steam bend the trailing edge of the cockpit hard top. First attempt was to do it in place. That failed. Second attempt was on the work bench, boil in bag, method. Worked perfect.

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Waiting for weather window so we can fair and glass the cabin top. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Got the steam bent white oak piece on the tail end of the cockpit hard top. Doing it on the work bench was much better. Not perfect but I can work with it.

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I then jumped up on the cabin roof and got some seams taped and peel ply'd.

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Had to scamper, my epoxy assistant is down for the count battling some sciatica. :| Should be able to fit the last cabin top panel tomorrow. After that I'll trim the whole cabin top and prepare for fiberglassing.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:02 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work Rick!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:35 pm
by TomW1
Looks great Rick. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:43 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks fellas. Appreciate it.

Port & Stbd cabin top sides trimmed. Lil' wobbly but I can work with it. Tennis elbow was kicking up big time.


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Fitting last panel, over the cockpit, this afternnon.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Got a very late start today due to an extreme low blood sugar incident (hyperglycaemia). Knocked me right on my ass. Thought I was having a heart attack at one point. But after some rest got back to it putting on the last cabin/cockpit hard top panel (AKA Carrier Landing Deck). Just dry fit for now. Still have some engineering to do.

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Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:42 am
by pee wee
That's scary about the blood sugar crash, don't climb up on anything if you aren't feeling right.

That hard top just keeps getting bigger and bigger, I see what you mean about the flight deck. It's nice to see the final form of her taking shape.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:42 am That's scary about the blood sugar crash, don't climb up on anything if you aren't feeling right.

That hard top just keeps getting bigger and bigger, I see what you mean about the flight deck. It's nice to see the final form of her taking shape.
Thanks pee wee. I haven't had an episode like that in years. Don't know what triggered it. :doh:

I know the signs and know when to bail out of the boat shed.

Thanks

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:18 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today's update on YouTube. You guys would have seen all these pics over the last few weeks but here it is from the horses ass himself. :lol:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zMRGZzKjvzg?si=diqzDb7YNaYbt7TS[/youtube]

Cheers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. Last sheet added to the cabin/cockpit hard top! The Flight Deck is almost finished. Tomorrow fill, fair, tape.

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I'm thinking of starting at the back and working my way forward. Don't know if I'll peel ply it or not. Could end up in a big mess. The total area is approx. 15 sq yds. I've done laminations this big in one shot before, the bottom panels and maybe the sides. I'll likely be doing it myself this time. 8O

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Flight Deck all faired and sanded ready for glass.

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Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:23 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:55 pm
by Fuzz
That looks very nice!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:24 am
by Aripeka Angler
Great looking work Rick!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
THanks fellas

Taking a few days off for camping just to recharge batteries. Weather looks real good for some large scale glassing next week.

Standby..

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:46 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well this morning started out Ok. First panel of the hard top glassed up. There was no way I could peel ply it myself. Took a little break and decided to do the next section. That was a mistake. The photos are self explanatory.

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There was no coming back from the mess I got myself into. The epoxy was kicking off faster than I could get it down. I don't understand, was only about 70 degs and I had less than 5 mins working time with it. I had precoated the ply and tried to lay the glass over top but it went wonky when I tried to position it. After that it was a scramble to try and save it. Made the mistake of leaving a small amount of epoxy in a mixing container on the glass and it kicked off in a real hurry and I was screwed from there forward. No way to salvage this so I ripped it up and tossed it out. Only about a $100 mistake. :oops:

No more laying glass over fresh epoxy. I'll sand first.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:26 am
by pee wee
Well that's too bad. Could it have been a bad mix- too much hardener? Some of the previous batch mixed in? You've got so much experience mixing epoxy that I can't offer anything you haven't already done three times!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:26 am Well that's too bad. Could it have been a bad mix- too much hardener? Some of the previous batch mixed in? You've got so much experience mixing epoxy that I can't offer anything you haven't already done three times!
I do use a Sticky Stuff dispenser which is supposed to be calibrated for 2:1 but it has screwed up in the past with a cracked filler pipe. I'll check it today.

I've made costlier mistakes. :oops: Just chalk this one up as a training session. Too cold today to even sand yesterday's mess. Send some heat fella's. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:06 am
by Jeff
Rick, how cold is it up there already?? Sorry about the mess!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:10 am
by narfi
I wonder about temperatures. You said only 70, but is that considering you are 10ft up in your greenhouse? I'll bet it's significantly warmer up there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:06 am Rick, how cold is it up there already?? Sorry about the mess!! Jeff
Daytime averages about 60-65 degs. Greenhouse is usally 20 degs warmer once the sun is up. It can be another 10 degs up on top of the boat.

Nothing else I could do. No way was I going to let it cure and grind it off. Been there, done that. I have lots of epoxy and glass and will do it over.

Thanks.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:40 pm
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:10 am I wonder about temperatures. You said only 70, but is that considering you are 10ft up in your greenhouse? I'll bet it's significantly warmer up there.
On average it's about 10 degs warmer up on top of the boat. I have big fans helping with air movement. In the height of the summer it can get well over 120 degs up top. I usually can't stand it much past low 90's and have to bail. When it's like that in the summer I glass first thing in the morning and putter with something down below. With the monsoon's and wild weather it's been one helluva season.

The only thing I did differently that I can figure is using a paint mixer in my drill to mix the epoxy but I've never had issues with that before. Chalk it up to experience and move on.

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:04 pm
by Knottybuoyz
So after the other day's catastrophie I've recovered. Flight deck was coated and allowed to cure for a day. This morning I sanded the whole thing and dusted it off and wiped it down. Cut and laid out next piece. I've made it a bit wider than necessary, a mistake I made last time, and taped the ends so it won't fray. Tomorrow morning we mix the epoxy again and have a go at it! Standby...

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:08 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Mucho Bueno! :D

This morning I was out before the sun and started to warm the epoxy. It was only 7 degs C about 35 F. Monitored the epoxy as it warmed and shut off the heat just about 17 C. That's about mid to high 60's F. Perfect.

I folded the fabric and wet out one section at a time as I worked my way across the cabin top. Worked pretty good. Only part with a few little bubbles was the center where I couldn't reach with the squegee.

Lori stepped up to mix epoxy which helped. I was wearing myself out going from cabin top down into the cabin to mix epoxy and then back up multiple times.

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Another section tomorrow. Don't want to tempt fate by rushing. Got time and the weather's great.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:36 am
by pee wee
Knottybuoyz wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:08 pm

This morning I was out before the sun and started to warm the epoxy. It was only 7 degs C about 35 F.

Another section tomorrow. Don't want to tempt fate by rushing. Got time and the weather's great.
I wish our country had had the spine to go through with the intent to switch to metric back in the seventies, we wouldn't have to do all these conversions. I think 7 degrees C is more like 44 F, not quite as close to freezing, although it would feel like freezing to those of us in the deep south!

Glad your work went better this time, that's another piece in the rear view mirror. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:36 am
Knottybuoyz wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:08 pm

This morning I was out before the sun and started to warm the epoxy. It was only 7 degs C about 35 F.

Another section tomorrow. Don't want to tempt fate by rushing. Got time and the weather's great.
I wish our country had had the spine to go through with the intent to switch to metric back in the seventies, we wouldn't have to do all these conversions. I think 7 degrees C is more like 44 F, not quite as close to freezing, although it would feel like freezing to those of us in the deep south!

Glad your work went better this time, that's another piece in the rear view mirror. 8)
We were taught metric in school from about grade 5 and up. Today we still use the standard system for most automotive related equipment but that's chaniging. Plumbing seems to be stuck in the 1800's. I once met the Canadian Minister in charge of "weights and measures" and lead the metrification back in the 60's and 70's. He was telling me when they started there were over 300 different standards for weights and measures and that each and every one was covered by metric after the switch. Things like "pecks" and "barrels" and "stone" etc. Every commodity had their own measure. I guess I'm old enought to work between the two with the exception of temperature converions in my head! :lol:

This morning Lori and I did another section of the cabin top. Went very well. No pics got other things on the go today.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:16 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Got the entire flight deck glassed. What a marathon. Slow and steady though and got through it without another screw up.

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And pulled this out of the rag bin~! :lol:

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Went looking for a sharpie and found a few! :doh:

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Dollar store roller sleeves rock! For $2 ya can't go wrong.

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Not doing anything else on the outside of the boat before winter. Going to plastic over the openings so I can heat the cabin and work inside a bit longer. Have to make some modifications to my air compressor to get dry air out of it before we start spraying stuff on the boat.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:07 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Just cleaning up the "Death Daggers" from around the cabin top before they eviscerate me.

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And being the tight wadd that I am (#cheapprick) I think I got my money out of this disc! :lol:

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Rest of today cleaing up and clearing out the main cabin. Time to start seriously address building in some furniture.

That is all. Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Just some cleaning, organizing and overhead sanding. :roll:

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The main cabin looks so much bigger with barely anything in it.

Some filleting and taping this afternoon. Dentist appt tomorrow dunno how much I'll get done after that.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Filleted the perimeter of the main cabin sides to the cabin top.

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Pretty good fillets but not my best work. Working overhead sucks. And it's gonna suck more tomorrow when we tab them all in place. Originionally wanted to tape them wet on wet but it got way too hot in the shed. 35 C. So a light sanding tomorrow and we'll tab all 70' or 22 meters of 4" 12 oz biax tape.

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Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:16 pm
by OrangeQuest
Wow! 8O

I think back when I was doing the taping on my open little FS14. I have no clue what PITA is.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:33 am
by Rickk
Sure looks different than when I checked in last. Nice progress Rick and nice workmanship, even if it does take a couple tries sometimes :D

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Lori and I complete the tabbing of the cabin top to the sides. Approx. 70' of tape, 1-1/2 lt (<2 qts) of epoxy, six pairs of gloves, 6 foam rollers and two union mandated breaks. All totalled under 2 hours. :D

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Probably massive overkill but this whole boat is overbuilt. Anywho, that's it for a day or two.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:29 am
by Knottybuoyz
Boat Building Economics #101. Dollar Store shop supplies. As most of you know, when you build a boat like we're building you go through an unbelievable amount of shop supplies. From rags to rollers it all adds up to a considerable amount of money. Yesterday I sent Lori on a mission to pick up some paint rollers from the Dollar Store. She know's how to squeeze a Nickle and make the Beaver Shit! She brought back 6 rollers & handles and 6 paint trays. Total was approx. $16.50. Now up till now I've bought these at Canada's favorite, or maybe not so favorite (YMWV), big box stores. The cost for almost exactly the same items there is approx. $68.88! On this one purchase we saved approx. $52.30 and these figures don't include the HST (Sales Tax). :D

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Moving on today to insulating the forward wind screen area. Then I'll plastic up all the openings so I can keep some heat in this fall.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:30 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. Something different. Insulating windshield frame and cabin side door openings. Fiddly bits.

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Good job to do in the pooring rain. Luckily it was still relatively warm.

Back to staining and finishing cherry ply so I can cover this mess up!

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:54 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Got a late start. Our senior cat developed some sort of infection in his right cheek so we rushed him to the emergency vet. He'll be Ok.

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When I got back I cleared out the main cabin aka "Ball Room". :lol:

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Vacuumed up all the dust and filled up my separator, 5 gallons of the crap! 8O

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Lifted up the deck panels and vacuumed some more!

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Getting ready to start pulling some wires.

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:13 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Figuring out where all the major pieces of furniture will go in the main cabin. Gotta keep in mind that I have to be able to lift some of the deck panels to access the engine/equipment installed below decks. First up on the port side was the dinette area. 40" wide and 79" long. Takes up a big chunk of floor area.

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Next was the galley area. This took some brain work. Admiral consulted on where she wants her stove, sink & refer. We have a double sink for the boat but it's too big. The depth will be abt 26" and 76" long. Stove at the aft end, refer in the middle and sink behind the helm seat.

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The plan from the start and the reason we stretched the hull is to accommodate twin helm chairs. This is going to take some engineering to pull off but I think it'll work. First I had to determine if there was enough space between the helm console and the seat back. The reason our sink we have is too big. Next I had to determin my eye height when seated.

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I told Lori I wouldn't sit in the seat, as it's not bolted down.

I sat in the seat! :lol:

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Had to quit early to get ready for Thanks Giving dinner. Happy Thanks Giving to our our Canadian friends. Hope you are all well and happy!

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:26 am
by Jeff
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family Rick!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Update on the progress over the last 3-4 weeks.

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[youtube]https://youtu.be/eWiNv1n99Uo?si=sq5Nl8LBvu_J9rnc[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Milled up some white oak to use as framing for the helm console etc. Ran across a batch of lumber that I don't know what it is.

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I think it might be red oak but not sure.

Lots of 1" x 1" sticks

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Checked the antifreeze in the ole' Yammy and spun her over a few times to get the fluids moving.

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https://youtu.be/Oe1kJrl_Pkk

Weather's holding so maybe moving onto actually making something this week.

Standby.... Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:19 am
by pee wee
That's a motley crew of wood samples! A couple of them look like red oak, if they're all the same then I agree with you.

You've been making a lot of visible progress lately, fun to follow along.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:40 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:19 am That's a motley crew of wood samples! A couple of them look like red oak, if they're all the same then I agree with you.

You've been making a lot of visible progress lately, fun to follow along.
THanks PeeWee

The rough cut lumber looked like Spalted Maple at first. I had it ripped up mostly before I noticed how odd it was. All those were cut from the same plank so it was truly odd. I think we're going to make the galley counter top out of it.

Thanks for looking in. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:03 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. I built a box. :doh:

Gettin' tools organized.

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Started adding cleats (dryfit) to see how this thing is going to come together. I'm making this all up as I go. :|

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The box evolves.

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Small side shelf for the engine controls.

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That'll be boxed in for whatever maybe some small parts storage.

That's it for today. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:02 am
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:36 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Working ont he help station again. This time I have to figure a way to mount the steering pump, which is a front mount model that I got incredibly dirt cheap. They're close to $1K now. 😳 So I have to make a recess to get it to stick out the right length. I used a chunk off of the leftovers from my bow thruster tunnel. It's heavy and very strong fiberglass. The flat bottom I made myself a couple of years ago. Gonna glue it all up this afternoon.

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That is all. Feel free to resume your regular web surfing activites. :lol:

Cheers!

PS. Thnx Jeffers

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. Don't laugh. I have absolutely NO experience in building stuff like this. Definitely would starve making cabinets. Anhwho, I had to get the panels out to see if I can make them fit the way I want. The engine panel will be on a shelf under a lid. That's tricky when you only have two synapses left that talk to one another! :lol:

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It's a tight fit but I can make it work, I think. I want it to be hinged so I can raise it up if needed.

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The entire front panel will be removable, I think. Might be tricky with the hydraulic lines etc. in it.

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Not sure about the elec dist panel. It may go on the side where I origionally envisioned it or on the front of the helm station.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
I don't see the placement being a disappointment to the pair of you nor those that are following.

I am a shadow follower, one that reads and checks your post just don't post much on them. It is an exciting build to follow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:56 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Making motor boat sounds (putt putt putt) as the cheese slooooooly slides off my cracker! :lol:

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'nuff said

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:55 am
by pee wee
Looks like you're a little low on fuel . . .

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:48 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:55 am Looks like you're a little low on fuel . . .
Ayup. 116 USG or 400 lt. :oops:

Going to have to start a "Go Fund Me" just to fill 'er up! :roll:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. Well it's been a few days of frustration trying to come up with something acceptable out of plywood for a helm console. :cry:

Anywho after numerous attempts, and I freely admit it, I'm no carpenter. I have to learn this stuff as I go, sort of, seat of the pants cabinetry.

Iteration #1 I used battens attached to the bulkhead to define the 'box' that'll form the helmp console. Condiderations I had in mind were including my elec. dist panel in the end and having it hinge out for access. Inside the console the main engine panel would be recessed on it's own shelf and hinged up for access. The entire top of the console would be covered by a 'sun shade' that can be locked. Fancy and cool was nice but with my skill level I couldn't pull it off. The plywood carcass is a wee bit wonky but I adpated. I had mocked up most of everything in cheap (relatively speaking) lumber store plywood. I intend to apply a cherry veneer to the exposed faces.

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About 2/3s of a sheet was mercilessly butchered in my many attempts.

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This was a failed attempt to make the panel shelf swing up.

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I ended up just making a plywood shelf and it won't be fastened down. Tight enough fit it can be lifted up and tilted for access.

Having no luck with plywood for a console top I had to dip into my stash of cherry lumber. This stuff is over 50 years old and required quite a bit of work to get it planed down to a reasonable size. Edges were squared up on my table saw.

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Roughed in so you get the idea. On the lookout for some nice brass or bronze hinges.

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That's about all for now. Thanks for looking in.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:23 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shop. Just puttering around.

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Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:33 pm
by cape man
So..."Do you still have the great Peace?" 8)

Nice panel!!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:53 pm
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:33 pm So..."Do you still have the great Peace?" 8)

Nice panel!!
I will when we get this thing in the drink!

Was a fun but totally uneconomical project making that panel. Kept me busy for a week one winter.

Thanks for looking in Cape Man. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:36 am
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shop: Fiddlin' Around! :lol:

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Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:05 pm
by narfi
Knottybuoyz wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:36 am Fiddlin' Around!
I see what you did there!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:37 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Getting sunshade ready for sealing, staining and varathane finish.

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And fiddlin' around again. This one on the underside that'll be the topside when the shade is open and it'll hold my tablet.

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That is all. Carry on.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:47 am
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:45 am
by pee wee
Cherry sure is a pretty wood.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:46 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:45 am Cherry sure is a pretty wood.
Sure is Pee Wee :lol:

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MinWax Cherry stain and 4 coats of Varathane. I left the wood as it was off the planer. A little rough. But this is a slanted top and it's sorta a non skid. :wink:

The rest of the interior will be the same finish.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed.

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Puttering around. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:45 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:27 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Yesterday and today in the boat shed. Lori and I paint up some of the underdeck structure. It's red because it's easy to see if one of the deck panels is open and we had some sitting around so we used it. Started to figure out some of the conduit runs but ran out of P-clips (on order). A few other jobs underway such as modifying my air compressor to deliver dry air and expanding the capacity. This lil' mod is gonna drive me crazy!!!

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Still not frozen out! Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:41 pm
by cape man
Many times I have no idea what you're doing, but am loving watching. BUILD ON!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:33 pm
by fallguy1000
Painting the topsides of the deck will compromise the epoxy bond strength as the paint bond is weaker.

friendly fyi

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:54 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:33 pm Painting the topsides of the deck will compromise the epoxy bond strength as the paint bond is weaker.

friendly fyi
Not gluing them down. Perimeter panels will be gasketed and screwed down. Center panals will be latched down.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:41 pm Many times I have no idea what you're doing, but am loving watching. BUILD ON!
Just ask, I'll try to explain.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:41 am
by Knottybuoyz
No fancy electrical schmatics here. (I have some, can't find them). All lights etc. marked out inside main cabin and cockpit. Starting to figure out wiring runs.

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Taking inventory of marine wire. I've collected this stuff for years. By today's prices I paid pennies for for this, probably under $100

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Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:45 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Puttering around in the boat shop tent.

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This may just be a prototype. Not sure yet.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:59 am
by pee wee
I don't know what it is, but it looks great! That joint between the upright and the spreader bars being made with a butt joint and pocket screws isn't going to be very strong, but since I don't know what it is, it may be overbuilt. :doh:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:06 am
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:59 am I don't know what it is, but it looks great! That joint between the upright and the spreader bars being made with a butt joint and pocket screws isn't going to be very strong, but since I don't know what it is, it may be overbuilt. :doh:
Just a small mast pee wee. I intend to fillet the joints in the spring and use up the last of my carbon fibre to laminate it. When I get done you could probably tow the boat by it. :lol:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:08 pm
by OrangeQuest
Did you make it hollow so you can run the wires through it?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:33 am
by Knottybuoyz
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:08 pm Did you make it hollow so you can run the wires through it?
Definitely hollow.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
Last couple of days puttering away in the boat shed.

Engine elec harness situated.
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Running some conduit.
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Life in the bilges.
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Hot water heater getting dry fitted into place.
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It's a biggie, 60 litres. Should be enough for the Admiral to get her hair washed. :roll:

That's all for today. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:27 am
by narfi
I'm guessing the water heater is heated with coolant or electricity if generator is running?
Are you just heating off engine coolant or do you have a diesel fired boiler as well?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:37 am
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:27 am I'm guessing the water heater is heated with coolant or electricity if generator is running?
Are you just heating off engine coolant or do you have a diesel fired boiler as well?
Hi Narfi, it will make hot water off the engine and with 110 AC when on shore power. It's likely too much for our little Honda generator but our inverter will run it if needed. Generally we're very careful about managing our power requirements having been RV'ers for years. Thanks for looking in. No diesel boiler just a diesel air heater for warmth.

Rick

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:03 pm
by OrangeQuest
Should have a video of how to get in and out of that bilge. :)

Funny how all the power tools no matter what color they start life as always wind up the same color as the wood floor/epoxy mix. My Ryobi stuff looks the same.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:30 am
by narfi
Knottybuoyz wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:37 am
narfi wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:27 am I'm guessing the water heater is heated with coolant or electricity if generator is running?
Are you just heating off engine coolant or do you have a diesel fired boiler as well?
Hi Narfi, it will make hot water off the engine and with 110 AC when on shore power. It's likely too much for our little Honda generator but our inverter will run it if needed. Generally we're very careful about managing our power requirements having been RV'ers for years. Thanks for looking in. No diesel boiler just a diesel air heater for warmth.

Rick
Ok cool, I knew you had a plan :)

What air heater are you going with?

I put two Espar m12s in my cat last winter and loved them this summer. Each one heated 3x radiator air heaters and a water heater,(total 4x cabins, 1x saloon, 1x galley, 2x water heaters) I'll bet one would make your boat nice and toasty and a hot shower for momma on very little electricity draw.(1x cabin, 1x galley/saloon, 1x water heater)

Webasto and Espar both have different sized diesel boiler units. If I remember right your up north so want to keep it warm and dry :)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:52 am
by Knottybuoyz
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:03 pm Should have a video of how to get in and out of that bilge. :)

Funny how all the power tools no matter what color they start life as always wind up the same color as the wood floor/epoxy mix. My Ryobi stuff looks the same.
That's funny OQ, in fact there is sort of.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/lUiOmjl0qLQ?si=AqpiiWRsTe6t6O0F[/youtube]

My ole Grampa used to say: "If you're tools aren't dirty, you're not working hard enough!" :lol:

Thanks for chiming in. Cheers! Rick.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:57 am
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:30 am
Ok cool, I knew you had a plan :)

What air heater are you going with?

I put two Espar m12s in my cat last winter and loved them this summer. Each one heated 3x radiator air heaters and a water heater,(total 4x cabins, 1x saloon, 1x galley, 2x water heaters) I'll bet one would make your boat nice and toasty and a hot shower for momma on very little electricity draw.(1x cabin, 1x galley/saloon, 1x water heater)

Webasto and Espar both have different sized diesel boiler units. If I remember right your up north so want to keep it warm and dry :)
Hey narfi. I have a Webasto Air Top 2000. I'm thinking I'll locate all the HVAC equipment in the forward cabin right beside the electrical stuff. With two vents I can heat both forward cabin and main cabin. Vents can be shared with the AC vents. Yes as long as Momma's happy ain't nobody happy! :lol:

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Getting ready to pull some wire.

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Being lazy. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:34 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Just pulling some sensor wires for the tank monitoring system. Startin' small and working my way up.

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Middle of November and it hit 20 degs in the boat shed today. Unimaginable!!!

Standby

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:14 am
by cape man
Celsius...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:19 am
by Knottybuoyz
cape man wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:14 amCelsius...
Sorry, 68 F :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:15 pm
by fallguy1000
The cold is coming now. I can feel it!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:15 pm The cold is coming now. I can feel it!
It's here. -10C (14 F) this monring. 8O

Started pulling wires for the tank sendor sensors. Ran out of wire. :doh: Musta got Freedom Units mixed up with Metric again. :?

Still tinkering away.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:06 pm
by Knottybuoyz
First of December and still tinkering! 8O Unpacking and setting up my Xmas present from 2021. :lol:

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We'll keep going puttering away until we get frozen out. Got more chase tubes in and some wires run. Been a little stymied trying to figure out where everything is going to go without snookering myself, which I've done more than a few times already. :doh:

Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:20 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update. 2023 Season Recap

https://youtu.be/4Nd92QPvguY

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:51 am
by Dougster
Saw your post, made 2nd cup of coffee and watched the video. It's dang inspiring and I have so enjoyed following this massive build! Cheers and happy holidays to you and yours.

Dougster

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:53 pm
by cape man
Merry Christmas and happy new year. You're rocking this!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:50 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas. Hope you all survived the holidays and the wild weather. Put together a lil' update, not much to say but damn it's cold. I hope to be back sanding in the foreward cabin next week when the temps are hovering around 0C (32F). Had a bit of an oddysey making mods to my air compressor. Hope it works.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/xrXYLZUbdm4?si=bqcDItEsqcU5QjX7[/youtube]

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:24 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas. Yesterday, my birthday, I spent a few hours cleaning out the forward cabin. This had become a dumping place for "Stuff" over the last few years. I hope to hit this area hard in the spring so it had to get cleaned up. It was chilly and damp so I could only endure a couple hours. Be back at it again next week when the temps warm up a bit.

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Still have some tabbing and taping before I can start on the decks then build out the head and storage areas. Have to build out a battery box for my 12 V 200AH deep cycle battery that'll run the windlass and bow thruster (and install) then I can start on the bunks etc.

That's about it. Hope you're all doing well.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:05 am
by Jeff
Happy Birthday Rick!! Sorry I missed you yesterday!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:05 am Happy Birthday Rick!! Sorry I missed you yesterday!! Jeff
No problem Jeff I quit counting about 5 yrs ago! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:17 am
by Jeff
Rick, same here!! Stopped a few years ago!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:42 pm
by TomW1
Rick boat is looking good. Happy Bday I went into the 70's in Sept and had long forgotten when it was. Tom

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:12 am
by jonlitts
Happy Belated! I just love seeing all the progress, my friend... even just the cleaning out. 8)

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:08 am
by Knottybuoyz
Thanks for the bday wishes fellas. Truth is I quit counting about 5 yrs ago! :lol:

Winter has been pretty mild around here this Year. I was in the boat shed yesterday and it was almost 50 degs F. Balmy! Been sanding some of the forward cabin to get things cleaned up for final tabbing and bulkhead installation etc. Floors gotta go in too and some furniture built.

Kitted up for sanding in an enclosed space. Got a new sander with dust extraction. Hoping that'll help.

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Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:51 am
by pee wee
It's nice to have cool weather when you wear all that gear! Good on you for protecting yourself.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:10 pm
by Knottybuoyz
G'day fellas. First official vLog of the season. This time I go over what's going on in the forward cabin and some sanding. As you can imagine it's till cold here but we endure. We Canadians are tough stock! :lol:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/bYRPmfkHU_s?si=BwklFENcs4dSlvmk[/youtube]

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Anybody want to help out this year? We have delux accommodations on site. Free food & drink. Plenty of sanding and swearing, promise.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:55 pm
by Jeff
Stay warm Rick!!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:09 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jeff wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:55 pm Stay warm Rick!!! Jeff
Hey Jeff. I think the cheese slid off Mother Natures cracker! +50 degs with torrential rain, thunder & lightning yesterday. 8O We'll see what kind of damage she caused to the boat shed this morning. I suspect part of the shed is flooded out.

Stay well and happy!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:52 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Take a lil' walk around the boat. Apologize for the mess. It's not Spring Cleaning Time yet. :lol:

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[youtube]https://youtu.be/spHx9aQKGLg?si=X-eKa-F_VOls7mLl[/youtube]

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:51 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Well, this ain't gonna work. Dunno what Jacques was thinking when he designed the v-berth. :doh:

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:22 pm
by Jaysen
Should be a lay in panel that makes it a solid berth. All the sailboats are like that so I would assume he’d just to it that way? Is it not in the plan?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:00 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:22 pm Should be a lay in panel that makes it a solid berth. All the sailboats are like that so I would assume he’d just to it that way? Is it not in the plan?
If there was a lay in panel it wasn't part of the kit. I'm not sure it is in the plans but I'll check. As it is it would be a nice setup for a solo sailor. We'll figure out a solution. Standby.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:42 am
by Knottybuoyz
If you would like a chance to win one of our custom coffee mugs go to the Community page on our YouTube channel and caption the image of me in the space suit. Best and funniest response wins. We'll let this run for a couple of weeks. Enter as often as you want.

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Good Luck! Rick & Lori.

https://www.youtube.com/@MVSheKon/community

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:07 am
by Knottybuoyz
Lori and I sat down this week with Rene from "My Dream Boat Project" to discuss the building of our TW28. It was fun.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/LgKyDyWcYR4?si=-HWGJ2wu2oA4DJIQ[/youtube]

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:25 pm
by Knottybuoyz
This morning in the boat shed. Weather cooperated a bit to let me get some work done. Templating the bulkhead we want to fill in. Gotta work on my technique a bit.

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Some trimming and sanding and lots of thickened epoxy and it'll be golden. :lol:

Just a week left to 'Caption the Photo" on our YouTube Community page for a chance to win one of our coffee mugs.

https://www.youtube.com/@MVSheKon/community

Hope everybody is well and happy. Build on! Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:39 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog has dropped on YouTube. If you're interested have a look, leave a comment and maybe a thumbs up eh? :lol:

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https://youtu.be/v9fwHiVsgT4?si=gStGt9IeGGrCtcCz

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:56 am
by Knottybuoyz
Today's vLog goes live on YT at 11:00 EST. You can see it here early. https://youtu.be/mn6XbuMWZHM

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We had some good weather followed by a flash freeze! As some of you South of the Border (Can/US) in the NE States go hammered too. Temps are looking better in the weeks to come, maybe we've turned the corner if Mother Nature can get her sh*t figured out.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:11 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Today in the boat shed. Still cold and damp. Did a lil' wood butchering on the carcass for our storage space.

Levelled up.

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Cleats going in. Just dryfit for now. Sort of a proof of concept thing I guess. Got no experience building stuff like this. Didn't want to do drawers. We'll use plastic totes.

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That's it for today. Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:11 am
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:22 am
by Jeff
Nice work Rick!! Jeff

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:19 pm
by narfi
Mass of wires comming to this location.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:17 am
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:19 pm Mass of wires comming to this location.
Probably more like a "Mess of wires" narfi :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:18 am
by Knottybuoyz
Latest vLog update is live on YouTube now.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4xR9_BUsEWY?si=h6fmyOsWqSu4SV2F[/youtube]

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:06 pm
by narfi
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:17 am
narfi wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:19 pm Mass of wires comming to this location.
Probably more like a "Mess of wires" narfi :lol:
Have you made decisions on electronics and electrical systems? I've been doing some retrofit with lithium and solar on my catamaran and the more I read and learn and do, the more I'm convinced if I was starting from scratch I would go with 48v. Smaller and cheaper electronics and much smaller wiring which is not just lighter, it's much easier to fit, route and work with. (I've got a couple of pretty good runs of 4/0 cable because I'm working with 12v.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:06 pm
Knottybuoyz wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:17 am
narfi wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:19 pm Mass of wires comming to this location.
Probably more like a "Mess of wires" narfi :lol:
Have you made decisions on electronics and electrical systems? I've been doing some retrofit with lithium and solar on my catamaran and the more I read and learn and do, the more I'm convinced if I was starting from scratch I would go with 48v. Smaller and cheaper electronics and much smaller wiring which is not just lighter, it's much easier to fit, route and work with. (I've got a couple of pretty good runs of 4/0 cable because I'm working with 12v.
I designed a full elec system when I was working with some Elec Engineers at Coast Guard. That was a long time ago and obviously what was done is out of date. i have some experience with LifeP0 and solar etc. rewiring our RV. I'm invested heavily in 12 volt equipment, Renogy, and will have to follow through with that. The boat will actually have two separate elec 12 volt systems. One for house loads and one separate for the windlass and bow thruster. The house batts are 2x 200 AH Renogy LifePo4's and the Windlass/Bow Thruster will run off of a single 200 AH AGM because of the higher demands. Wire runs will be short. The batts will be located very close to the loads such as the Inverter/MPPT controllers, DC/DC charger & auto transfer switch etc. I should be somewhere near installing those systems this fall. *Fingers Crossed* Solar so far is 2x 135 watt mono crystal panels and 1x 100 watt flexible for the AGM.

Still an unimaginable amount of work to do.

Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:04 pm
by narfi
Sounds like a well thought out system! Will you have a start battery as well or will the wireless battery also be here for the engine?

I think I remember you were going to use a small gas generator. Are you planning on utilizing an oversized alternator for the house bank as well?

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:10 am
by Knottybuoyz
narfi wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:04 pm Sounds like a well thought out system! Will you have a start battery as well or will the wireless battery also be here for the engine?

I think I remember you were going to use a small gas generator. Are you planning on utilizing an oversized alternator for the house bank as well?
The starter battery will be stand alone and dedicated to just that task. The little Yammy rolls over very easily and won't take a huge battery to start it. The DC/DC charger will take care of keeping it charged.

We have a Honda 2000 watt genny installed in the lazarette.

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I suspect we won't need it much unless we're cruising for an extended period of time and it's overcast. As long as we can run our refrigerator we'll be good for power. The engine has a 100 amp alternator right now. At some point in time, if we find ourselves needing more charging from it I have bookmarked a Balmar and surpentine belt & pullies kit. That's a little pricey at the moment so we'll wait to see how well disciplined our power management really is. Of course it's all speculation at this point. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:55 am
by Knottybuoyz
Hey fellas. Still trying to get some stuff done despite the cold and wet weather here. Slowly inching towards spring. In today's update "You know you're making progress when you're drilling holes in your hull" edition! :lol:

This thru-hull will feed raw water to the head and maybe the anchor washdown pump. It's a 1" Forespar Marelon seacock with strainer.

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The hole itself is 1-3/8". I opened up the inside laminate and removed the core.

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The core removed displays the thickness of the bottom panel is, 19mm (3/4”) of which the outer layer of glass is approx. 5mm (5/16”) and the inner glass is approx. 4.5mm (1/8”). The black areas are the fiberglass.

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I made up a backing plate and mixed up a wild mixture of milled fibers, cabosil and microspheres as a filler. I never use wood flour below the waterline.

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After 24 hrs the epoxy mix hadn't cured so I had to put some heat on it for about 6 hours.

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I'll redrill and finish the seacock install today. Weather permitting.

On a side note, every time I enter the v-berth I smash my head on the forward edge of the cabin top. :? :roll: So this was my temperary solution.

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That's about it for today. Hope everyone is well and happy! Cheers!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:16 am
by Knottybuoyz
Ooops forgot one.

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:26 pm
by Knottybuoyz
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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:57 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Live now on YouTube our latest vLog update. What's the putz up to now? Drilling a BIG hole in my boat! You're gonna wanna to see this one! 😁

https://youtu.be/Ur5kyC4SOBY

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Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:12 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Moving forward! Battens & bunks for the v-berth.

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Top Secret Rum Locker

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Cutting hatch openings in bunks.

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Next video coming Friday @11:00 hrs EST

Standby...

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:34 am
by pee wee
Looking good, but the rum locker looks kind of small!

Seriously, it's good to see you're still plugging along and actually getting there.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:28 pm
by Knottybuoyz
pee wee wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:34 am Looking good, but the rum locker looks kind of small!

Seriously, it's good to see you're still plugging along and actually getting there.
Rum locker should hold about 8 40 oz. bottles. I checked! :lol:

London Dock
Lamb's Old Navy
Pusser's Navy Rum
Newfoundland Schreech
Appleton's Estate VX Signature Blend
Kraken Black Spiced Rum
Sailor Jerry Spiced Rum
Bacardi Oak Heart Rum


It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop. --Confucius (551-479 BC), philosopher

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:26 pm
by Jaysen
Seems a little light to me!

Add some El Dorado, Diplomatico, Botran, Dictador, Plantation and most importantly, Kirk and Sweeney to that list. Figure 40 bottles too. Never find yourself quoting Capt Jack Sparrow.. “Where do all the rum go!?!?!?”

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:03 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:26 pm Seems a little light to me!

Add some El Dorado, Diplomatico, Botran, Dictador, Plantation and most importantly, Kirk and Sweeney to that list. Figure 40 bottles too. Never find yourself quoting Capt Jack Sparrow.. “Where do all the rum go!?!?!?”
Ah so many fine rums left to enjoy and so little left of my liver. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:03 am
by Jaysen
Who needs a liver?

I’m a fans of the Kirk & Sweeney (12yr or better) and Dictador XO for celebration drinks. El Dorado 21 is my dinner choice, my bottles of 12 are backup stock now that I have a good supplier for 21yr. But the real gem is Botan. You can’t get it unless you know someone running to Guatemala who will smuggle it back (or maybe the producers reduce to pay US bribes to get it here). My neighbor’s daughter is married to a Guatemalan so I have a dealer… this is my water. If there’s rum in heaven, this is it. And it’s what would come out of the tap when you brush your teeth. Glorious stuff.

Avoid Pilar Hemingway profile 7. I remember 2 drinks. Hangover for three days. Not sure what happened to the car and two neighbors won’t talk to me. You’ve been warned.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:13 am
by Knottybuoyz
Jaysen

I don't think there's any of those Rum's you mentioned here are available in Ontario CA. Our LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) only stocks limited varieties. When you travel around you can find the odd different rum or other. There are Rare Wine & Liquor stores but only in large metro centers. Nearest I know of is in Toronto about 350 miles away.

I'm not really a big drinker. Usually we drink Tequila in Mexico and the odd Rum. Very rarely we entertain here and serve a Rum or Whiskey.

You're going to have to come for a visit and bring some samples! :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:12 am
by Knottybuoyz
Our latest Building SHÉ:KON episode is now live on YouTube.

🔍 In this episode, we’re diving headfirst into the nautical abyss, armed with power tools, determination, and a dash of questionable carpentry skills. 🛠️

https://youtu.be/at_5ioXq6tw

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Enjoy!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:08 am
by colinhart
Try Woods Old Navy, original Royal Navy recipe at 57 percent hits the back of the throat nicely

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:45 am
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:08 am Try Woods Old Navy, original Royal Navy recipe at 57 percent hits the back of the throat nicely
Hi Colin. Will have to try to find some of that. Pusser's is our Go To Navy rum here.

Nice to see you boat coming along nicely.

Cheers mate!

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 8:08 am
by colinhart
I like Pussers drink it over here but full strength is quite expensive. Just had a break for a coffee lining out the fore cabin at the mom with 3mm ply will post some photos later

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:38 pm
by Knottybuoyz
Finally got around to building myself a HotBox to keep the epoxy flowing in these freezing temperatures. Don't know why I didn't do this earlier.

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That was temp at start. I'll check it again in an hour. The heating pad is 40 watts I think.

Standby....

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:23 pm
by colinhart
PInched the wife's seed germinator to keep mine warm

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:19 pm
by Knottybuoyz
colinhart wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:23 pm PInched the wife's seed germinator to keep mine warm
Shush! She might be listening. :lol:

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:12 am
by OlivierP
A simpler way is to leave your epoxy bottles in a bucket of water with an aquarium heater, costs about 10$.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:42 pm
by Knottybuoyz
OlivierP wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:12 am A simpler way is to leave your epoxy bottles in a bucket of water with an aquarium heater, costs about 10$.
Don't know what this cost. I re-purposed everything I needed from previous projects. It works, I'm happy with it.

Re: knottyBuoyz III The TW28 Project

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:21 am
by Knottybuoyz
This one probably should have been left on the digital cutting room floor.

https://youtu.be/6419jvT5eQ8