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Posted: **Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:41 pm**

Edited by admin: this is the detailed story of the building of a CS25 by Peter H. Long but worth reading.

Well there go's nothing

after a lot of studying the plans I decided to start today before the plans fall apart from the studying

So what did I do? not much if you ask me I measured and cut the transom (3X), frame A and both inside stingers (2x) made some pics that I will post later with some more interesting pics.

Laterzzzz

Peter

Posted: **Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:06 am**

Peter,
Nice to see you start,post plenty pictures.I like the CS boats,but you don't see that many construction photos.
Good luck,
steve

Posted: **Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:53 am**

Peter you got your foot wet. That transom is biggggggg. So good start. Glad you made the first not so small step.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:48 am**

Lookin' forward to seeing your boat come together. Tom is right... the transom is huge so good work!

Posted: **Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:36 pm**

Today (afternoon!) I started with the outside stingers, that is until my tube gave some problems broadcasting the match

what to do???? not so difficult wait for some signal on my dish? didn't think so! what I did is left everything in a hurry and went to the pub to see the rest of the match!! And I think that was a good thing to do! we won from Italy with 3 to nothing Cheerio!!! OK there's always Manana

boating time

Sorry for this no to nothing update

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:52 pm**

Today I finished the outside stingers, measured and cut stations F - G - H and epoxy glued the transom pieces together now that was fun

Al the above with a little hangover from the victory party yesterday

Tomorrow I will try to finish stations B,C,D and E, wanna try start with the Jig this Saturday.(also try to post some pics then to)
I don't understand one thing though, don't know were I read it but I remember reading that all the stations should be able to cut out of standard plywood 244 x 122, but how do I do that with station B -254x 141,7 , station c - 259 x 155 and station D - 254,2 x 145,7 ? anybody can help me out with that or have some tips?

Ciao

Peter

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:13 pm**

Peter don't forget to look at the nesting diagram. Jacque will have shown there what he feels is the best way to get the best way to use the least amount of wood.

I know on my C17 frame C is cut on two different peices of wood because of it's heigth.

Tom

Posted: **Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:24 pm**

TomW wrote:Peter don't forget to look at the nesting diagram. Jacque will have shown there what he feels is the best way to get the best way to use the least amount of wood.

I know on my C17 frame C is cut on two different peices of wood because of it's heigth.

Tom

Thank's Tom but on my nesting diagram there are no stations only frame's, in a earlier question I made to Jacque he recommended me to use stations with a build like this instead of the frames, as you can see here ( http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... ht=#135483 )

Peter

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:25 am**

Peter frames and stations are the same. The frame/bulkhead is the peice of wood and the station is where the wood goes, usually. Sometimes we use the terms interchangeably to keep us confused.

So the frames on the nesting page should correspond to the stations. Just crossout frame and put in Stat. A-I for your build. The nesting diagram is just a page Jacque put together to help us use the wood most effeciently. It is just a guide but normally a helpful one.

I also forgot to ask are you using cheap wood or your good wood for the stations. If cheap wood then you can just splice it together where you need to for the stations for the frame. If good wood this is something all together different and why I said to look at the nesting diagram. There will be an indication on where to cut each station from and also other parts in or around the station once it is used for the outside build and you take them out to fiberglass the inside and start putting them back in cut down to size.

Oh, congrats on Curacao's win the other day. I imagine there was one big party

Tom

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:06 pm**

Tom thanks for you reply but I still don't understand it, the frames on the nesting page don't exactly correspond to the stations.
I try to explain it again with some pics, this is what jacques told me to do.

jacquesmm wrote:The dimensions for the molds are on the stations drawings. That is what you use for molds, no need to put small pieces together.

So I did, only problem is stations/molds B-C-D are to big to cut out a standard piece of plywood or mdf etc

I hope i was more clear now

Ciao

Peter

Btw it was the Netherlands who won from Italy

CuraÃ§ao is a Dutch Island

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:47 pm**

The molds are full size, and can either be cut from throw-away mold material OR they can can be made from all the small pieces of the frames.

The frames are the actual pieces that go in the boat - the molds in the same location and are the same shape as the frame, so can use the same measurements.

Note: because the frames are interrupted (cut into smaller pieces) by the intersection of the stringers and sole, you will have to take into account the thickness of those pieces

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:53 pm**

1. Peter, if you have a question, please post in "Power Boats" not in "Builder's Power Boats". The "power Boats" forum is for technical questions, this forum is for builders to document their building story.
I do not always check this forum.
2. The frames and bulkheads, except for 1 or 2, fit on standard plywood sheets because they are made of small pieces but not the molds.
The molds (located at the stations) can be made of several pieces. See pictures of molds in the gallery.
For one or two frames, I cheat by leaving a small gap (less than 10 mm) just at the top on each side.

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:01 pm**

Peter sorry for the Netherlands slip I watched part of it. It was and unbelievable match by them. Italy looked shell shocked and looked like they didn't belong in the game. The Netherlands sure looked good in there orange.

The reason I said look at the nesting diagram is just what you discovered. It will be cheaper for you to use cheap plywood or OSB for the molds/stations on the build. Then once you get to putting her together after glassing the inside cut your good plywood according to the nesting plans.

Just my .02.

Tom

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:45 pm**

Thank's everybody for the answers, so if I understand correctly I have to make those 3 molds out of several pieces.
Sorry for the wrong posting

next time I will put questions in the correct forum.
@ Tom, that Netherlands slip no problem at all man

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:55 pm**

You are correct Peter a few peices. Try to work it so you use as few as possible to keep your cost down. They are only temporary after all.

Tom

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:34 pm**

Ok Tom and the rest, I think it has to be something like this

Ciao

Peter

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:00 pm**

That works fine.

Tom

Posted: **Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:52 pm**

Ok glad that's out of the way, I really thought I did something wrong because of what I have read before.
This afternoon I measured and cut stations B and E, a little bit more work now, because of the expanding of the wood sheets but still funn

So two more stations to go, so putting up the jig this Saturday and Sunday must be possible I think/hope so.

Also epoxy glued the inside stingers together, hope to glue the outside stingers tomorrow afternoon and also measure and cut the last two stations, so I can take a short break Friday to see the match against France.
Question to the readers of this topic NOT building related

if I place the pics of the progress should I post them only in my album, or in my album and also here?

Posted: **Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:24 am**

Post at least a representation of your progress here so that we can follow the build easily! Haven't seen one of these built yet, lokoking forward to it!

Posted: **Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:03 am**

I'd post 2-4 of the most important ones here and provide a link to your gallery.

Tom

PS What time is the match on Friday.

Posted: **Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:17 am**

Yesterday cut the last two molds and glued the outside stingers.
Today's soccergame Netherlands vs France starts at 14:45 hour in Forumtime I belive that's would be 13:45.

Peter

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:04 pm**

First of all sorry for the late update

one week to late

good news is I can put on some pics with this posting

Well that jig did go up Saturday before last saturday.

Only last week I made some modifications on it, along the way, because it was a little bit to long, or the stations where on to low depence how you look at it

So I put on the stations and try to line them out think this tolerance (see pics) is acceptable???

After that the next logical step was ( I think

) cutting and glueing the long panels the bottem panels I already did

I think my dog Sammy is thinking NO WAY I'm going on on the sea in that thing

Here you can see the bottom panels on the jig

And here the upper and lower side panels.

This was yesterday started to glue a little bit used way to much today my belt from the sander said to me do it your self

So that was the update so far, I try to do it more frequently but can't promise anything.

Saludos , from a at the moment very hot CuraÃ§ao 35 degrees Celcius that's about 95 degrees Fahrenheit if I'm correct, Humidity is about 80 %

Laterz Peter

PS: please let me know if you (anybody) see's mistakes I might have made, thank's in advance.

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:39 pm**

She looks great! I am so excited to see this go together. I would love to do one of these myself. Maybe you will be my inspiration!

Huck

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:21 am**

Very well done Peter. That is a big boat.

Tom

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:15 pm**

Thank's for the compliments, and Huck I hope I can indeed be some inspiration for you!

Ciao

Peter

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:03 am**

The boat is coming together great! I like your pics. This is a very nice area to build boats

My wife would be watching my ever move with epoxy if I built on such a nice floor!

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:56 am**

jgroves wrote:The boat is coming together great! I like your pics. This is a very nice area to build boats My wife would be watching my ever move with epoxy if I built on such a nice floor!

Thank you and belief me she is she is, my wife that is

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:16 pm**

I think she is ready for glass

Just have to wait just a little before the glass is here
Thanks Joel (Shine) for a excellent and very fast service and a special thank's for the present (cabin plan)

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:46 pm**

Nice work peter and real fast.
Wait to you turn that bad girl over...she's going
to get real big....

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:44 pm**

Build some steps for it - when you turn it over you'll find that a boat builder climbs in and out of the boat maybe a thousand times more than a boat owner ever does; and that's a big, big boat!

Posted: **Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:32 pm**

Thank's for the compliments feels good

, those steps are a good idea to make while waiting for the glass.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:22 pm**

Since I have to wait for the glass I started to fool around with some old hardwood (Surinam) what in earlier days had a pool deck function.

Inspiration was this pic I saw a couple of weeks ago on this forum

I really like the looks of that boat (shearlineboatworks) and decided to try and make a rod holder similar to the one in the pic above.

First I did cut out some marlins from 10 mm marine plywood that was a little mistake as you can see at the end because when sanding it changed color.

Then I cut in some details and fill it up with epoxy and sand dust from the hardwood

After that I glued 3 pieces of hardwood together cut out the form and again the marlins

Than I sanded the plate and put the plywood marlins in, and a lot of epoxy again with the sanddust

than sanded the hole piece again and varnished it sanded again and varnished it etc etc and than put the rod holders in.

although the plywood chanced color I still think I like it and will use it on my CS 25.

I'm really curious what you guys think of it

Peter

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:39 pm**

What do I think? Phenominal

, fantastic

, beautiful

, I've got to learn how to do that

How did you make the cut outs (inlets) for the marlins?

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:39 pm**

Peter, it's really beautiful

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:37 pm**

Peter that is fantastic.

I have done strait in-laying but nothing like that. My hat is off to you! They are beautiful. Did you make the marlins thicker than needed and then sand them down to base. I also assume you used a sharp craft knife to mark there position and carefuly cut out the design.

It is amazing the detail you got.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:44 pm**

Cool, Darn Cool!! Thats art!!

Very Creative

Daniel

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:44 pm**

Wow. That is good stuff

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:52 pm**

Flippin' amazing! That's a touch of class to any boat!

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:08 pm**

You guys do stuff like this in youre spare time.......?
I am doomed....

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:40 pm**

Beautiful! I'm still hoping for just a simple coat of paint on mine...

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:10 pm**

Wow thank you all for the overwhelming comments real nice.

Cracker Larry if you mean cut outs for the details on the marlins I did that with a dremmel cutting wheel but since I did not had the dremmel tool (sold out) I did it with a small drill what wasn't easy because I could only hold the drill at its housing to control the wheel, consequence was a very very hot machine because my hands where closing of the ventilation vents (big hands small machine

) but no blisters

Tom Yes I did sand the marlins down to base. I just used a pencil to mark them of on the hardwood It's not that precise

as you are thinking that's why I used sanddust from the same hardwood to cover that up

thank's again

Peter

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:07 pm**

Peter you are asking question about your boat in other peoples threads thus a HIJACK. If you have a question on your boat ask about it here that is what this section is set up for. It is common courtesy not to ask about what is going on with your boat on someone elses thread, although you will probably get answered do to everyone wanting to help each other.

If you need an answer from Jacque post it in the Boat Builders Section at the head of the column.

I hope this helps you in understanding and getting the best answers to your questions and answers not just from me. There are many people interested in your build but they can't follow what your doing if you keep posting questions in other peoples Threads.

Tom

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:30 pm**

TomW wrote:Peter you are asking question about your boat in other peoples threads thus a HIJACK. If you have a question on your boat ask about it here that is what this section is set up for. It is common courtesy not to ask about what is going on with your boat on someone elses thread, although you will probably get answered do to everyone wanting to help each other.

If you need an answer from Jacque post it in the Boat Builders Section at the head of the column.

I hope this helps you in understanding and getting the best answers to your questions and answers not just from me. There are many people interested in your build but they can't follow what your doing if you keep posting questions in other peoples Threads.
PS
Tom

Tom and everybody else sorry for that I really wasn't aware of that, it's just when reading other treats sometimes questions come up regarding my build it wasn't my intension to be impolite, maybe I'm just a little to enthousiastic?
Next time when a question come up while reading a other thread I will make a quote of it and place it here with the question I have, I hope that's the right Forum etiquette.

PS What I did here http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... 3&start=15 Is that a HIJACK to ?

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:53 pm**

nope just honest discussion. Questions on an other site not good discussion on another sight okay. We learn from each other, through the discussions. And by answering the questions you pose on your site. If they are not on your site we can't help you as well as they are hidden somewhere else. Hope this makes sense to you.

Tom

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:10 pm**

I think I understand alltough it's a little vague for me Tom, but you did make your point.
Question I hope I can post it here, I have a spray paint compressor 1.5 HP with a small tank, way to small to spray a 25 hull.
I was thinking to connect a big old propane tank to it, will that give me a longer time to spray at a good pressure for a long time?
Or when I do that is that just killing my motor on the compressor?

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:33 pm**

Hi Peter

Nice boat. Huge. Sorry I missed the pictures. Keep them coming.

Nice craftsmanship. Did you use a jig saw to cut the marlins from plywood?

Great job, keep it up

Bushmaster

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:40 am**

A 1.5 HP compressor is pretty small you can try but you may just burn it up. Check to see if it has a over heat cutout if it does then you may be okay. You won't be able to maintain pressure I don't think maybe one of the other guys can answer that. Peter you can also ask questions like this in the Paint section or the Power Boat section.

I hope I didn't offend you just trying to get your questions out to the maximum amout of people by you asking them under your own posts, instead of someone else's.

Tom

Posted: **Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:09 pm**

Peter, not to worry, it took me a while to figure it out too

Let me try to help clarify what Tom is saying about how the site is set up.

This particular section we are on, titled Builders Power Boats, is for power boat builders to share their build with other builders, show off their skills or lack there of, and to generally shoot the breeze about building your boat. If you ask a technical question here, it may not get read or answered by an expert in a timely manner, maybe never.

If you have a technical question about building, you should start a thread in the Plans and Building section at the top. The boat masters like 1 topic/ 1 builder questions so as not to confuse. For instance if some one asks a question, and Jacques answers it, then someone else asks another question in the same thread, Jacques will probably never read it because he assumes he's already answered. Does that makes sense?

If your question is about painting, you should post it in the Resins, Fiberglass, Paint section. If it's about plywood or foam, then ask it in the Core Materials heading. Sticking to the 1 builder/ one boat question rule.

Those are the sections the experts will look for questions in, and you will get a timely answer.

Hope that helps you some.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:11 pm**

bushmaster thank you, yes I did use a jigsawfor the Marlins.
Tom don't worry you didn't offend me at all, it's always nice to know how something works.

Larry It's all clear to me thank you except for this

For instance if some one asks a question, and Jacques answers it, then someone else asks another question in the same thread, Jacques will probably never read it because he assumes he's already answered. Does that makes sense?

I don't want to offend Jacques, but I did that once here http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?t=16965&start=0
Strange thing is I never did get answer from Jacques, Capt H repeated the question in that same topic, there never came an answer from Jacques.

Well maybe Jacques missed it, but there came a lot of helpful answers from other builders

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:09 pm**

Well, that happens sometimes, but it is still more likely to get answered there. I'm sure it was unintentional. That question/thread only lasted about 3 days, spanning a weekend. Even J needs a weekend off sometimes:lol:

If you really need his answer, just call him on the phone

.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:16 pm**

Santa came early this year

This morning the Silvertip epoxy arrived so I couldn't wait and directly started this afternoon, put on the tape on the chines keel and bow.

This is gone be a loooong weekend

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:30 pm**

Here some picture's of the tape, didn't start with the fabric today because I.m still not sure about how to place it.

I did post a question about that but there didn't came a answer yet, cant say I'm to unhappy about that because when I'm looking at that big roll of fabric It's a little intimidating

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:40 pm**

Massive! That's going to be fun when it's time to carry it out of the garage!

Not much room to walk along side of it when the crew lifts it up!

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:54 pm**

Peter, nice looking job. You're doing a good job. As far as the cloth you are probably going to have to do it in four peices overlapped at the keel and then at the chine, but don't know for sure. I think you should wait for Shine or Jacque on this one it is pretty critical.

Tom

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:02 pm**

chicagoross wrote:Massive! That's going to be fun when it's time to carry it out of the garage! Not much room to walk along side of it when the crew lifts it up!

Sssst don't tell anybody

I had to demolish 2 column's and my garden wall, fill and take "temporary

"some goverment land to create some work space

The flip I think I figured that out the jig is on casters and i will yank that out on the street with my car, luckely the company I work for owns a old telescope crane I will use that for the flip.
Not sure it will work but I jump off that bridge when I'm there

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:16 pm**

TomW wrote:Peter, nice looking job. You're doing a good job. As far as the cloth you are probably going to have to do it in four peices overlapped at the keel and then at the chine, but don't know for sure. I think you should wait for Shine or Jacque on this one it is pretty critical.

Tom

Thank you Tom , I also thought it was critical that's why I pushed my pause button better safe than sorry!, and that roll of fabric stands ok in that corner.
Tomorrow I will find a way to be busy on my free Sunday if I dont have an answer.

maybe IÂ´m going to make a fighting chair what match the rocket launchers I made

Something like this

Ciao Peter

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:47 pm**

I might have failed today

went home early today to lay some glass, I did cut everything at the right size then I did wet out the hull after that I put on my first 7.5 meters wide fabric and then .......................... all hell broke loose over here a lot off wind, thank god no rain but it made everything very difficult for me.

so I still had 22,5 meters to go at that point I already gave op hope of doing the side panels, but I had to finish the bottom.
As I said that was very difficult I'm building alone and the wind kept blowing the glass of, I hope god is a little deaf because I never cursed so much as today

Because everything went so difficult I was finished in the dark, the last part I had to do with artificial light (I hate that

), But the 4 layers are on now, but I'm almost sure when I rip off the foil tomorrow I will discover a lot off air bubbles, Lets hope that he did not heard my cursing and that I'm wrong about the bubbles

Good night

Peter

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:54 pm**

In my experience some things will only behave properly with a good cussing. He isn't deaf, but I don't think he offends easily either and he certainly has a sense of humor.

Others experiences may vary

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:31 pm**

Cracker Larry wrote: In my experience some things will only behave properly with a good cussing. He isn't deaf, but I don't think he offends easily either and he certainly has a sense of humor.

Others experiences may vary

Thank's Larry, but eating so much beans the day before I'm going to laying glass

, I don't think that's humor

man he was blowing the epoxy out of my mixing cups

thank him I quit smoking

Posted: **Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:21 pm**

Yep as I thought air bubbles

thankfully not as much as I thought and as far I could see only in places that need a final coat of glass.
At the bow you can see the mess I made yesterday, when I told the epoxy was blown out of my cup I wasn't kidding, for sure I have to replace a lot of clinkers in my carport when finished with this build

Most of them at the chines

and a lot left of the transom thats the part I had to do in the dark, today I tried to fix that, and gave up the illusion I could do everything alone wet on wet.
Tomorrow I will do one upper side and will sand out the air bubbles and connecting parts of that side, I think that should work also?
All this makes me wonder how much damage a air bubble could make if left under the glass and paint?

"fixed" transom , with last glass coat and under poor mans peel

Greetings from a very itchy Peter That sanded glass is everywhere

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:26 am**

I'v had good luck filling small air pokets like that with epoxy in a glue syringe. It's way faster than sanding off the whole thing and reglassing.

Just mix up some resin and slow or medium hardener, a little wood flour (just a little, it should be just going from transparent to translucent), brill some little holes (about 3/16" at one end, 1/16 at the other) inject glue into the big hole, watch as it fills the bubble. You may need a cuple extra injection holes o long thin bubbles. When it's all full, seal the holes with packing tape or whatever. Let it set and you are good to go.

This is great for smallish bubbles, I would not recommend it for anything real big without the designer's ok.

Fred in Wisc

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:11 am**

Thank you Fred for the suggestion,maybe I will try that

Peter

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:32 am**

I don't think that's humor man he was blowing the epoxy out of my mixing cups

Peter, I've never been to Curacao, would love to some day, but I've been to your sister islands Bonaire and Aruba. They are the windiest places I've ever been, north of Tierra del Fuego

In Aruba last year, when I walked out of the airport door I instantly lost my hat, my cigarettes, my plane tickets and my beer

That wind blows the beer right out of a can, it will blow your hamburger 100 yards if you turn it loose. You couldn't put anything down unsecured. Must have lost a dozen pina coladas that way. And it never quit, the entire week. No need to sweep the condo, just open the front and back doors and everything blew out, including the laundry, the loose cash and the plane tickets. Damdest thing I've ever seen

I don't know how you could lay glass in a place like that

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:35 pm**

Cracker Larry wrote:
I don't think that's humor man he was blowing the epoxy out of my mixing cups
Peter, I've never been to Curacao, would love to some day, but I've been to your sister islands Bonaire and Aruba. They are the windiest places I've ever been, north of Tierra del Fuego

In Aruba last year, when I walked out of the airport door I instantly lost my hat, my cigarettes, my plane tickets and my beer That wind blows the beer right out of a can, it will blow your hamburger 100 yards if you turn it loose. You couldn't put anything down unsecured. Must have lost a dozen pina coladas that way. And it never quit, the entire week. No need to sweep the condo, just open the front and back doors and everything blew out, including the laundry, the loose cash and the plane tickets. Damdest thing I've ever seen

I don't know how you could lay glass in a place like that

Larry you just made me laugh so hard I'm almost crying

I saw the whole picture in my head
I lived 1 year on Bonaire after that I moved to CuraÃ§ao little bit more action here, although Bonaire is a beautiful island after one year it was to quiet for me.
And indeed the wind is strong but the day I was laying glass, imagine those winds and then 3 to 4 times as strong, man it drove me crazy

Hope to welcome you sometime over here, if my boat is finished we could go out and pop some beers and do some fishing

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:12 pm**

Hope to welcome you sometime over here, if my boat is finished we could go out and pop some beers and do some fishing

I have been known to accept fishing invitations on the spur of the moment

I might just take you up on that, thanks

Posted: **Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:35 pm**

One side to go, today I glassed one side I think it went well sanded the bubbles out and lay glass, after that the plastic over it, that didn't went so well as the transom yesterday, not strange I think because of the curve's well I think it's always better than nothing?

Transom without the plastic

Cheers

Peter

Larry you may take me up on the fishing no problem at all

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:15 pm**

She is looking great! This boat is really inspiring me to bigger and better things!

Thanks for all the pics, Peter. You are doing great work on a very large project on your own. My hat's off to you.

Huck

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:07 pm**

Peter, the boat looks INCREDIBLE. You make me drool and daydream over bigger and tougher boats. Are you going to do the cabin version or open model?? I've enjoyed and look forward to more pictures of your build. I can't believe you are doing it all by yourself. You're a braver man than most.

Will

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:39 pm**

Sorry for the late response my radio (wireless internet) died on me and it took a while before they came over to replace it, but both thank's for the compliments !

Posted: **Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:50 pm**

Weird weird Island life

today I was in a copy shop were they also selling computers,printers, office supply's etc while waiting on my order my eye fell on a 3M sign in the corner, so I walked over there to have a look and guess what I find there?...........................exactly! 3M marine fairing boards now isn't that something? Next time when I'm at Nappa's or the marina I have to ask if they also make copy's or selling computers

O yeah also put half the hull in the easy fair, don't think I'm going to make it with my 1.5 gallon, I have about half of it left.
Btw I still can't place the smell of that stuff especially the hardener strange smell

Also went to the carpenters shop to buy the strakes, chine fender and rubrail all in hardwood as jaquess recommended.

And wegcagle sorry I overread your question I'm still not sure with version to go with, but my interest goes mostly to the open version short deck, simply because it's giving you the most fishing (read fun

) space, it also give's me the chance to accommodate more people

Tommorow fairing time jipiiiiiiii

Posted: **Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:02 pm**

Sounds like you're still having fun, Peter! You're the right person to be building that big a boat with that much fairing, for sure! Definitely beyond my skills, patience, and endurance!

This is going to be a beautiful boat when you're done, and IMHO your progress is excellent!

Posted: **Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:50 pm**

Peter, the boat is really comming along great,
you mentioned the smell of the quickfair, I think its ammonia with a slight vinegar???? smell, certainly different.

Looks Great

Daniel

Posted: **Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:47 am**

Looks good Peter, you are definately moving right along.

Tom

Posted: **Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:59 am**

Now there's a man who knows a good use for the space on the side of the house. Wow! Will she roll over there or will you have to haul her out first, roll, and drag her back in?

Looking forward to the finish and how you fit her out. Enjoy!

Posted: **Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:48 pm**

Thanks all for the reply's, here my weekend update,

I did not do much beside sanding,sanding and sanding

since I actual not knowing what I am doing concerning the fairing I put my transom in the epoxy primer to get an idea what I'm doing and how I'm doing it, for me it's much easier to see when it's in primer, the marked spots needs some more attention with quikfair, could be worse I think

O yeah also glued on the rubrail and chine fender, the strakes i have to sit on some longer before I glue those on

Also went over to my neighbour to get a good side shot!

to get some perspective the car on the right is a medium SUV (Kia Sportage) probable in the US this is a small SUV

And now time to take a cold one cheers!!

Peter

Ps ks8 yes I roll her out flip her on the street and back in she goes.
colonialc19 I was more thinking the smell of a public swimming pool or am I wrong, haven't been there in age's

Posted: **Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:55 pm**

Looking good!!!
That is some boat to build single handed, you have my total respect.
Steve

Posted: **Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:40 pm**

A public swimming pool

You're right and I am rolling with laughter!

Posted: **Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:29 am**

Hi Peter,

Your well on the way!! Looks good and inspiring, so back to the shop.

jaap

Posted: **Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:18 pm**

Boy o boy after I've got my answers in strakes2 I've made it very difficult for my self (I think), I once read in this forum boat building is like sculpting, sorry I don't remember who wrote that but if you are still on the forum I now know what you mean

Those things were by far the most difficult things I did so far on the build, or maybe the rest went very well that is a possibility to

So I glued the strakes on with the gellmagic man that stuff really glues
probably with some spoons of that stuff you can glue an elephant permanently to the roof, if the roof holds it

Yesterday I saw they were not as straight as I thought so I pulled out the easy filled, right easy to lay! hard harder very hard to sand

but I think I've managed it, I'm not saying it is a suburb job but I can live with it anyway its close to how I want it

Here some pics,,sculpted the outside strake, the inside I still have to start with, that one isn't as bad as the outside one was anyway.

Ciao

Peter

Posted: **Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:30 pm**

Peter, they look great, even with the keel all the way to the bow, nicely smoothed down as they approach the bow.

Tom

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:34 am**

Looks like the carport is shrinking!

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:01 pm**

Sculpted like Michael DaVincci

Looking great Peter.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:59 pm**

Look what I found !!

This was laying around outside a abandon shipyard, first day I saw it I thought it was aluminum. boy I was really wrong. this thing is steel and heavy as hell so time to save for a stickwelder and try to get it complete.
Although it's old rusty and ugly I'm very happy with it.

Sculpted like Michael DaVincci

You've got me there Cape Man

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:18 pm**

Good find

At least you didn't have to dispose of a rotten boat in order to get the trailer.

Posted: **Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:38 am**

Well yesterday I put on the first coat of primer (one side) only and as I thought it showed a whole lot of big and small imperfections

Although you can't see them that well on the pic's believe me they are there
So a lot of fairing and sanding ahead, I don't understand how you guys can see those imperfections before a coat of primer

Ah well it keeps me from the street

Ciao peter

Posted: **Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:33 pm**

Looking very nice, Peter

You're coming along quickly.

I once read in this forum boat building is like sculpting, sorry I don't remember who wrote that

It was I.

I don't understand how you guys can see those imperfections before a coat of primer

You can't. It's the primer that lets you know just how much more fairing and sanding that you need to do.

Posted: **Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:03 pm**

That hull looks fantastic to me, Peter. You're the one that decides how close to a mirror finish you need for your boat.

Oh yeah, you're the guy that's doing carved wood inlays on a 25' boat...

Posted: **Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:44 pm**

Peter,

Looking great man! I too was shocked with how many places showed up when the primer went on. I could have sworn it was smooth and fair! I'm getting ready to put another layer of primer on the fairing I di, and think I am going to live with what I get this time.

Posted: **Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:53 am**

Looks good Peter and you're going fast! Don't come closer then 3 ft for spotting imperfections and try one pass with some filler putty and the ro sander if you did a good job with the fairing board and the filler before. Most imperfections will dissapear then when you do a second coat with primer. Did you see production boats on boatshows, some look really half finished and you can outperform them with a little elbow grease.

jaap

Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:27 pm**

Peter, my computer broke Thursday so just got back. Looking good. Yea that first coat of primer or finish always shows the inperfections. Get out the QF and fill them in and go on. Have a good rum and take a deep breath first as you contemplate how to attack her.

You are moving along very quickly and should be proud of your progress.

Tom

Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:48 pm**

Thank you all for the moral support, always nice to have some ears listening or in this case some eyes reading

Already fill most of the imperfections, now I'm for sure I ain't gonna make it with the 1.5 gallon Quick Fair so have to order more I love that stuff, sands a lot nicer than the Easy Fillet, it does make me wonder if the Bateau shop shouldn't look in to this because I'm not the first one who doesn't make it with his QF in his epoxy kit I think 1.5 gallon is really not enough for a 25 foot boat

Cracker Larry wrote:
I once read in this forum boat building is like sculpting, sorry I don't remember who wrote that
It was I.

Than I have to say you are absolutely right

chicagoross wrote:Oh yeah, you're the guy that's doing carved wood inlays on a 25' boat...

Yep that's me, why? shouldn't I do that??

TomW wrote:Peter, my computer broke Thursday so just got back.

Tom good to have you back, I thought so something was wrong, "luckily" it was only your PC.

Ciao Peter

Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:44 pm**

hi peter,

Im also building a boat on Curacao. You can buy fairing fillers in budget marine this way you dont have to wait for the quick fair to arrive.

I also saw that trailer laying around at piscadera baai. how did you get it home? looked pretty heavy.

Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:00 pm**

Bart-Curacao wrote:hi peter,

Im also building a boat on Curacao. You can buy fairing fillers in budget marine this way you dont have to wait for the quick fair to arrive.

I also saw that trailer laying around at piscadera baai. how did you get it home? looked pretty heavy.

Jeez what a small world!

your going for the Panga right? can I ask what stage you are in and were you are located ?
Thank's for the tip on budget marine but I think I stick with the QF
The trailer afterwards I had to pay for It was real heavy some friend's helped me.

Peter

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:48 am**

Peter, you should! I'm just in awe of your level of detail on a project this big. Don't know how you do it - I know what it's like building solo on a tropical island - small epoxy batches and lots of fun finding supplies and bits and pieces. Just glad my project was only 18'. And is getting closer to the water!

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:03 am**

I just uploaded some photo's of my boat. Im building the boat in Julianadorp. Where are you building it?

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:09 am**

Bart-Curacao wrote:I just uploaded some photo's of my boat. Im building the boat in Julianadorp. Where are you building it?

Looking good are you going in open sea with it? I like the model it looks a little like the Go fasts the coast guard catches here.
I'm located at Jan Thiel

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:22 am**

Netherlands Antilles builders meet anyone

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:50 am**

yes thats the plan. i put two layers of biaxial fabric on the outside so should be strong enough i think... but the sea can be pretty rough around here with all the wind chop so hopefully the boat stays in one piece

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:56 am**

shine wrote:Netherlands Antilles builders meet anyone

Sign me up Joel

are you coming by boat or plane or both

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:15 am**

I'd love to see the islands, and your CS25, but don't think my fs17 is up for that trip, Flying in maybe a possibility though

I always need an excuse to travel to a tropical island

Daniel

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:01 pm**

colonialc19 wrote:

I always need an excuse to travel to a tropical island

Daniel

Since BBV is some kind of sickness

, what's about "a medical convention" in the Dutch Antillas?

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:30 pm**

I'm in

Don't need much of an excuse to visit a tropical island. And I do like the swimwear in the Netherland Antilles.

Something about the US is just wrong in that respect.

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:10 pm**

Why no new posts here have you stopped building?

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:44 pm**

Also hope all is well Peter and that the hurricanes did not do any harm this fall to your lovely island.

Tom

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 am**

I was just wondering what happened to Peter also

Hope he is OK. I'm going to try his email..

Posted: **Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:50 am**

Larry,

Richard and I were talking about Peter yesterday while fishing. Any luck with contacting him? His email is disabled on this site.

Posted: **Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:03 am**

No luck contacting him. Anyone know his last name?

Posted: **Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:59 am**

Curacao?

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:45 pm**

First off all to everybody and specially those who were concerned about me , Iâ€™m really sorry and embarrassed

of my self that I didnâ€™t let hear anything about my self and my build. For a long period of time about three months there was no wind here and it was very uncomfortable to do anything because it was to hot .After the holidays I started with my build again

, and because I didnâ€™t want to come back with a posting with no news at all I waited after de flip and that stressful day

was yesterday here some pictures. Once again sorry about the radio silence.

Waiting to get flipped

Flipping site left across the street on a empty lot

Her journey to the site

Getting ready for the flip

There she's go

Above view

Converting the jig

Getting her on there

She's on

Getting her home

She's home again

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:12 pm**

Absolutely BEAUTIFUL Peter, that is a boat to be proud of.

HWS

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:32 pm**

Super Peter. It looks like you graphited the bottom. Is that primer on the sides or your final paint. In some of the pictures it looks shiny in others like primer.

She is one fine looking lady. Can't wait to follow the inside build.

Tom

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:53 pm**

Peter, you are indeed OK. Nice job and pictures of your flip. Good luck and keep in touch. We missed your humor while you were away

Richard

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:26 pm**

Looks beautiful and congrats on the flip! Au'ryte

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:57 pm**

GeeWiz that's a big boat

The boat looks awesome! Congrats on the flip.
Looking forward to seeing this one complete

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:07 pm**

good to see eveything is all right and its great to see
pictures of youre filp

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:55 pm**

Glad you're OK and the build is progressing again, Peter! Congrats on the flip. What a monster - it looks even larger in the street! Upside down, it sure looks like that hull's nose would make a great snow-plow for our northern friends!

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:58 pm**

Good to hear from you again, the boat is incredible, too cool

Keep us posted, even if your not making progress, a few of us thought you were blown away

by the storms this season.

Daniel

Posted: **Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:20 pm**

Marvelous work Peter.

Boat is looking great. Keep posting. Do you own that crane?

Bushmaster

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:23 am**

Nice hull....I am in awe of the guys who take on the big builds,knowing how much work goes into it. I am also glad to have heard from you again.
Steve

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:33 am**

Hello Peter, glad you're safe and back with us

Your boat looks fabulous

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:38 pm**

Thank you all for the nice compliments, its good to be back.

TomW wrote:Super Peter. It looks like you graphited the bottom. Is that primer on the sides or your final paint. In some of the pictures it looks shiny in others like primer.

Tom the bottom is seahawk Island 44 antifouling and the sides are spray painted with Uni marine from the local paint factory here, but not the final layer I have to sand once more with about 400 grid and then I put the last layer on.

chicagoross wrote: Upside down, it sure looks like that hull's nose would make a great snow-plow for our northern friends!

Something like this?

bushmaster wrote: Do you own that crane?
Bushmaster

No I do not itâ€™s from the company I work for.

Now that the boat is flipped the side panels in the front are hanging down for about 3 inch, I was wondering if I should take action on that before laminating the inside?

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:56 pm**

Peter yea the panels do sometimes hang down. Best way is get some straps that go around the boat and pull them back in place or some some strap clamps that you can some how hook to the sides that will do the same thing.

Like that bottom paint really looks sharp. The sides also looks very nice and good.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:31 pm**

TomW wrote:Peter yea the panels do sometimes hang down. Best way is get some straps that go around the boat and pull them back in place or some some strap clamps that you can some how hook to the sides that will do the same thing.

Ok Tom thank's I'm glad i didn't take al the stations out yet

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:39 pm**

Peter,
I'm having trouble copying the link, but look in Builder galleries, search for "C17" and look at page 18. You'll see what Tim (Wobblylegs) did on his C17, might give you some ideas.
John

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:41 pm**

Hi Peter

Tom is correct, when you flip her the sides having no support will pull out. You need to use spacers (2x4 or such) at the sheer to pull her back to the proper shape. You need to do this before putting in the stringers.

you can use straps to pull the sides back to the molds, then attach the spacers. I will look for a good picture of spacers from my fs17 build

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:46 pm**

Here you see a couple straps and one spacer towards the bow, thats all I needed on this small boat, you will need more on the CS25. You can see also that my spacer is pulling the sides in, so I did not have to screw anything into the hull, just a block of wood on the underside of each end to hold the sides in.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:54 pm**

Tom, Joel and John thank's its very clear for me now I have to strap her in before laminating further

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:58 pm**

Today I braced her some more in the front

And I made and attach the spacers, also took al the stations out heavy F#!*#@!

Tomorrow its time to fish so we are going to Bonaire and back to CuraÃ§ao

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:53 pm**

shine wrote:droopy bow is a result of not tightening the side panels down enough to the bow mold. Use a very rigid bow mold and keep the top of the side panel (bow point) secured firmly before tightening anything else.

If I understand correctly I have created a droopy bow to??

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:11 am**

It sure looks like it.

Tom

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:58 am**

I say we call it Powderhorn in the sheer and get on with it!

E

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:49 pm**

Nah I don't mind I like it beter this way! when I had it tight to the mold it didn't seem right for me so I cut them loose

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:55 pm**

After fishing we went home at relatively high speed over some respectable waves, although itâ€™s not so clear in the short movie the waveâ€™s were not small and the speed was high, while bracing my self and trying to film this clip I was wondering how a Bateau especially my CS 25 should hold at this kind of â€œabuseâ€

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:15 pm**

Peter a 32' boat is always going to do better than a 25' boat.

But you'll be pleased.

Tom

Posted: **Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:21 pm**

TomW wrote:Peter a 32' boat is always going to do better than a 25' boat. But you'll be pleased.

Tom

That I of course understand

I was more talking about the constant banging on the waves at a speed of about 35 miles PH will she hold up?

Posted: **Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:54 am**

Peter,

I'm a little late, but welcome back to the site. You've been busy! Lookin' good man.

Posted: **Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:57 am**

Oh yea she'll hold up! Remember Jacque used to design for Cigarette Boats at 100 mph. So he always has a safety factor built in.

But if your like me after a while that pounding at 35mph gets old like we do and we slow down.

Tom

Posted: **Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:11 am**

Most of my offshore trips rarely break the low 20's speed wise, not because we couldn't, just more comfortable

nobody likes to spill their drink

Posted: **Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:30 am**

TomW wrote:Oh yea she'll hold up! Remember Jacque used to design for Cigarette Boats at 100 mph. So he always has a safety factor built in. But if your like me after a while that pounding at 35mph gets old like we do and we slow down.

Tom

I don't like it to much either, but once in a while It's possible I stay to long fishing so than I have to hurry to go home that's why I was asking, and colonialc maybe use this for those rides

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:11 pm**

Tape is in
Have a nice Sunday

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:18 pm**

Peter, you are doing a wonderful job on the boat.

H

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:26 pm**

Peter, nice neat job as always, you'd think this was your profession.

Tom

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:48 pm**

This is a graphic I had in my mind to put on her in metallic bleu also the rubrails,chine fenders and transom I would like to do in that same color, just wondering what you guys think of it

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:07 pm**

That graphic looks great! I can't wait to see it in the blue!

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:58 pm**

That is excellent looking Peter.

H

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:10 pm**

Peter clarification question. Do you mean you want to paint your whole transom the metallic blue? I like the graphics and think it would be fine for everything else.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:57 am**

I like. White hull?

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:32 am**

TomW wrote:Peter clarification question. Do you mean you want to paint your whole transom the metallic blue? I like the graphics and think it would be fine for everything else.

Tom

Yes I mean the whole transom, funny thing you ask that's the only thing I'm in doubt with

cape man wrote:I like. White hull?

Yep white hull with a sun burning between 30 and 37 degrees Celsius 365 days a year it seems the wisest to do I think

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:39 am**

I'm not too sure about a blue transom, but the stripes are a perfect complement to the lines of the boat.

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:06 pm**

Peter with all your sun and temperatures I would highly recommend not doing the transom dark keep it white. Put your port on the back if you want. Or the name of the boat.

The main problem with dark colors and epoxy is that it will over time telegraph the fiberglass through the finish. This is less a problem if you used Silvertip but can still occur.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:45 pm**

OK I will think it over, I wasn't to sure anyway that it would look nice.
Well I just finished laying glass on one side, that sure wasnâ€™t as easy as I thought it would be, especially at the bow very uncomfortable to sit/stand/lay etc

I also think I used way more resin than on the outside not sure tough, I used +/- Â¾ gallon of resin (without the hardener) on 7.35 meter (24F) fabric biaxial 45/45 12 oz 125 cm (50â€

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:32 pm**

That's fine Peter your a little heavy on the resin. 24' of fabric is 8yds or 6lbs of 12oz. A gallon of mixed resin weighs 9.5 to 10lbs.

Tom

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:08 pm**

Ok Tom as always thanks for the quick answer

Posted: **Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:00 pm**

Looks awesome... I am investigating building this same boat now down here in Sunny New Zealand [its pissing down right now]... is this your first boat Peter ?

Anyone ... what are the steps next after the glass is all laid out on the inside ?

Thanks
Guy

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:03 am**

ixplorer wrote:Looks awesome... I am investigating building this same boat now down here in Sunny New Zealand [its pissing down right now]... is this your first boat Peter ?

Anyone ... what are the steps next after the glass is all laid out on the inside ?

Thanks
Guy

Yes it is, next step is taping in de stingers and frames, but he if you order the plans all (most) is very clear and if it isn't you always have this wonderful forum for your questions, it helped me lots of time as you can see when you read back in my thread. I would say go for it you can do it! good luck!

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:39 pm**

She's looking awesome Peter

I really like the graphics. I'm with Tom, I think you should keep the transom white, go for it with the graphics on the sides (they really finish nicely), and maybe match the T-top (if you're going with the center console version) to the same color as the graphics.

Just a thought (sometimes I can't control the artsy side of me)

Will

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:20 pm**

With this boat there are three deck layouts and three transom layouts does anyone have images of all of the combinations ? I can only find two of each... ide just like to kno what others there are and which deck are you doing Peter ?

Thanks
g

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:04 pm**

First layer of wide fabric is in hope to have the second layer in before the weekend. I was wondering can I wait with covering the upper panels and first put the stingers and the frames in? And after that put some planks over those so itâ€™s easer working the side panels.

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:08 pm**

wegcagle wrote:She's looking awesome Peter I really like the graphics. I'm with Tom, I think you should keep the transom white, go for it with the graphics on the sides (they really finish nicely), and maybe match the T-top (if you're going with the center console version) to the same color as the graphics. Just a thought (sometimes I can't control the artsy side of me)

Will

Thanks and yes thatâ€™s a great idea I think I'm going for that and make either the hardtop or the console metallic bleu

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:14 pm**

ixplorer wrote:With this boat there are three deck layouts and three transom layouts does anyone have images of all of the combinations ? I can only find two of each... ide just like to kno what others there are and which deck are you doing Peter ?

Thanks
g

Over her you can find them all versions just combine them yourself.Still don't know either the Open version, short deck or the Jump cabin version with bracket

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:02 pm**

I think ill be doing a soft top version with runners... so it can go forward or back ... the sun here is killer.

It would be awesome to see your hull in the water right now though... with no contents just to see where it sits on the water now and give it some scale.

g

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:09 pm**

ixplorer wrote:the sun here is killer.

Same here

ixplorer wrote:It would be awesome to see your hull in the water right now though... with no contents just to see where it sits on the water now and give it some scale.

g

Isnâ€™t going to happen

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:14 pm**

Where exactly are you ? Geographically ?

That huge metal jig, is that going to be the base of your trailer ? That will weigh about a ton alone... thats untowable with your boat on the back of it !

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:20 pm**

ixplorer wrote:Where exactly are you ? Geographically ?

North of Venezuela East of Aruba

ixplorer wrote:That huge metal jig, is that going to be the base of your trailer ? That will weigh about a ton alone... thats untowable with your boat on the back of it !

It isn't a jig it's a trailer so when I put wheels under it, it should be tow able, after al it's a boat trailer

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:22 pm**

OMG... what a place to be... petrol is like $0.10ltr... ? here its USD$0.80ltr !!

Yikes... its a total beast !

What engine have you got planned ?

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:27 pm**

Also what grade of Ply did you use ? Gaboon ?

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:28 pm**

ixplorer wrote:OMG... what a place to be... petrol is like $0.10ltr... ? here its USD$0.80ltr !!

I wish it's about US$ 1,35 a liter I'm not in Venezuela

ixplorer wrote:What engine have you got planned ?

Not sure yet thinking of ETech 280 or 2 times 150

ixplorer wrote:Also what grade of Ply did you use ? Gaboon ?

Gaboon?? never heard of that I used marine grade Okume

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:41 pm**

Only thing with two engines... double the petrol consumption and therefore half the range !... or not far off... I would think.

Gaboon is what they call the marine version here in NZ. Its stronger and more flexible I understand... but dont quote me. I know its damn expensive at $160 a sheet of the 12mm. Thats USD$80. Do you recall your cost of ply sheets ?

I am thinking ill have the top deck in Khaikatea a white pine that is stunning. The transom in the same or Jarrah I think a red hardwood from Australia. Same with all the stringers.

g

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:55 pm**

ixplorer wrote:Only thing with two engines... double the petrol consumption and therefore half the range !... or not far off... I would think

I only use one when trolling

ixplorer wrote:I am thinking ill have the top deck in Khaikatea a white pine that is stunning. The transom in the same or Jarrah I think a red hardwood from Australia. Same with all the stringers.

g

Stop thinking just start! way more fun!

Posted: **Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:20 pm**

peter-curacao wrote: I was wondering can I wait with covering the upper panels and first put the stingers and the frames in? And after that put some planks over those so itâ€™s easer working the side panels.

Anyone?

Posted: **Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:17 pm**

yes as long as you have an overlap of the bottom glass.

Tom

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:18 am**

Hi Peter I have been checking out your build project...I am very impressed with the boat and your workmanship. I will enjoy keeping track of your progress.

Steve.

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:33 am**

sideslippa wrote:Hi Peter I have been checking out your build project...I am very impressed with the boat and your workmanship. I will enjoy keeping track of your progress.

Steve.

Thanks, my pleasure

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:26 pm**

FYI ... Veneers available down here... this is a good resource for you if you are looking for colours etc... http://www.gvpnz.com/veneers.htm

Wet on wet biaxial tape method you may be interested in Peter... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BIr0Kq0Bs

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:50 pm**

Today Iâ€™m certain that Iâ€™m going to hell

, I didnâ€™t count the curses I made but there were a lot! Thing is last week I did all the layers on the inside bottom but since the fabric isnâ€™t wide enough to do the two layers in four times I have to put a small piece in the middle.
So I did that today jeez what a B@#%ch was that, I thought to be smart since it is the bilge area I wanted to put some foil over it to get a smooth surface that didnâ€™t go as well as the outside because of the keel there was air trapped under the foil I couldnâ€™t get out took the foil off two times with the for me necessary curses. At the end I cut the foil in two pieces and that did the job duh Iâ€™m an idiot

should have done that directly .I hope it will come out good tomorrow I will post picâ€™s tomorrow.

Btw Explorer I did al my tapes and filets wet on wet, did see those clips but thanks anyway.

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:05 pm**

On the bright side, Peter, you're going to be the glassing expert here. Most of us would have to build 3 or more boats to get the amount of experience you're getting building that monster!

Hang in there! Other than that have you been enjoying looking at the inside of the boat for a change?

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:20 am**

As I thought so a world-class fiasco! Man

this is gone give me a lot of sanding to do there is air trapped on a lot of places. I knew it yesterday it just took me to long to get it right this is the result!

Other than that have you been enjoying looking at the inside of the boat for a change?

chicago o yes I did that, it's nice to sit in there doing nothing but just looking around and fantasizing

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:50 pm**

Peter, you gotta get in there with a roller man, seriously...

http://boatbuildercentral.com/proddetai ... M_lam_roll

E

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:57 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Peter, you gotta get in there with a roller man, seriously...

E

How do you mean that?

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:58 pm**

Excellent, you are on and I am on.

Did you roll that glass down against the wood? With as tight as your layups looked before, it seems like it'd be odd that those areas lifted and got bubbles that size.

E

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:02 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Excellent, you are on and I am on.

Did you roll that glass down against the wood? With as tight as your layups looked before, it seems like it'd be odd that those areas lifted and got bubbles that size.

E

Yes I did but I had a bad day Saturday see my earlier posting

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:03 pm**

Hey, guess what happens when you use a work computer that doesn't cache your read/unread threads....

Doh, sorry, sounds like it was a fun saturday!

E

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:07 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Hey, guess what happens when you use a work computer that doesn't cache your read/unread threads....

Doh, sorry, sounds like it was a fun saturday!

E

It was fun until that foil worked against me

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:00 pm**

Sorry your last layer went that way for you Peter.

No worries, as you know, it can fixed. You've probably already fixed it

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:12 pm**

Well hereâ€™s the damage

first pic is at the transom second towards the bow
Black lines is where the second layer of wide fabric ends so the last piece of glass that went in (the piece that went wrong) is only to cover the area between those black lines. The bleu spots are the areaâ€™s I sanded away because of the air trapped under the glass, what do you guys think I should do?:doh:

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:55 pm**

Peter, whats next in the laminating schedule? Sheathing the interior coming up soon?

E

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:00 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Peter, whats next in the laminating schedule? Sheathing the interior coming up soon?

E

Hi Erik first I have to clean up the mess above after that stingers and frames, but you did know that didnâ€™t you?

Concerning the interior I still didnâ€™t make up my mind between a cuddy or a open short deck difficult decision

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:04 pm**

Peter,
If those are high spots just grind them flat and move on.
If they are air bubbles try cutting around them and filling underneath.
Yu can cut out bubbles and and fill with paste of glass and wood floor.
They are going to be unseen by all eyes but yours.
BF

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:05 pm**

Woah big fellah...

On my LB I taped first then laid sheathing over the tape. I backtracked and saw you already laid your wide sheets.

So then that leaves us with our good friend the grinder.

If it were me (in my absolute infancy of boatbuilding compared to you), Id be in there grinding that sucker out flat and relaying glass, but im betting you have a better, lower effort solution.

E

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:48 pm**

Erik once in a while Iâ€™m having a little trouble to understand your postings sorry for that.

In this crapy drawing I made I try to explain what I did

Bleu lines is first layer over tape red second and green is the last small piece
The green piece I already sanded so that all air bubbles are out , If I understand you correctly you are telling me to grind that whole green piece out and start over?

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:50 pm**

Again, if it were me (and Im not one to be listened to)...

I would grind back the layer that has all the problems only as far as necessary to get past the bubbles.

Then I would feather the edge and lay in another piece.

E

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:56 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Again, if it were me (and Im not one to be listened to)...

I would grind back the layer that has all the problems only as far as necessary to get past the bubbles.

Then I would feather the edge and lay in another piece.

E

Okay great that's what I did maybe it's not so clear on the last pics but in those pics I did grind/sand that piece down that's why its white, only have to lay new glass yet
Btw why shouldn't I listen to you? you build more boats than I did

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:24 pm**

Did you see how many times I screwed mine up?!?

Im a horrible role model.

E

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:31 pm**

Spokaloo wrote:Did you see how many times I screwed mine up?!?

Im a horrible role model.

E

ahh don't be so hard on yourself

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:41 pm**

what do you guys think I should do?

Peter

What do you think you should do, in the keel of an offshore fishing boat

Your offshore fishing boat.

Again, if it were me (and Im not one to be listened to)...

I would grind back the layer that has all the problems only as far as necessary to get past the bubbles.

Then I would feather the edge and lay in another piece.

So would I, E

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:44 pm**

Cracker Larry wrote:Peter What do you think you should do in, Your offshore fishing boat.

Euuh put two of those in

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:50 pm**

And hope the keel don't split

Posted: **Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:36 pm**

Euuh put two of those in

Maybe three

I'm picturing that video you posted of your friends 29 a couple of weeks.

Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:29 pm**

Problem solved thanks Jacques and the rest for the input, went directly to my ply supplier and cut those things as soon I was home, for now rain delay tomorrow I will glue those in!.Now thatâ€™s a fatt A$$ Transom

Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:03 pm**

Fat a$$ transom indeed! That baby's got some junk in the trunk.

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