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Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:53 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Ok so I've been lurkin around for about a year now, just kinda watching your guys' builds and procrastinating. 2 weeks ago I fianally got my plans, yesterday I ordered my ply, and today I ordered my epoxy kit. It's my first build but I feel pretty confident. Still, kind of a big step to commit and buy it all at once! The boat will be named Malolo- flying fish in hawaiian. The paint scheme will be similar to familyman's OD18, and I'll have a T-top on her. Anyway it'll take about 3 weeks for everything to get here so in the meantime (after I finish painting the house next week) I'll set up my strongback and cut a few of the stations out of MDF. I plan on keeping a pretty detailed log and will start posting pics as soon as I start on the strongback, so stay tuned :D

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:02 pm
by chicagoross
I'll be the first to welcome you to the building group, Fonda! You'll be glad you got the big purchases done now, but don't think they're the last :D . You'll soon be buying tongue depressors, chip brushes, and sand paper in bulk lots!

Got to go catch some mahi!

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:13 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Ross :D Your HMD is a beauty. Watching you build in guam is one of the main reasons I felt I could do it here in the islands. Caught a 46 lb. Mahi 2 weeks ago :wink:

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:13 pm
by colonialc19
Its gona be good to see a panga 22 come together 8)
Welcome to the builders section.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:06 am
by steve292
colonialc19 wrote:Its gona be good to see a panga 22 come together 8)
Welcome to the builders section.
Like he said :D
I've got the plans for this boat,so I will be very interested in this.
Good luck,
Steve

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:18 am
by JimW
Welcome to the gang. I can almost taste the Ono and Ahi now!

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:39 pm
by AdamG
Building a panga...in Kauai. You lucky dog! It doesn't get much better than Kauai.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:01 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'll throw my welcome in also, glad to have a P22 being built 8)

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:37 pm
by TomW
I also welcome you. Looks like we'll be building our boats at the same time.

Tom

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:46 am
by Fonda@kauai
Yeah kauai's pretty killer.The ono and ahi were good this year :D Last year's ahi run was the best seen in 20+ years. Saw many 200+ lb. fish 8O Just an idea Cracker, but have you considered naming her "the terminator" instead? 8)

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:59 am
by cape man
Welcome to the party. Will watch carefully. The Panga was high on the list when I picked the OD18. Family Man's paint is sweet!

200+ Ahi. NICE fish! Anything over 100 is a giant here in the Gulf of Mexico.

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:40 pm
by Fonda@kauai
So I got my marine ply today. 20 sheets Image
I ordered meranti but the place I ordered the ply from accidentally sent me some okoume 8O Image
The 1/2" is definitely meranti. It's darker red and smells a little different. But the 1/4" and 3/8" is okoume. I guess it's going to be easier to bend the bottom panels than I thought 8) My epoxy kit isn't here yet but it's all good cuz I'm not done painting the house yet. So in the mean time I'll cut out my stations and all that good stuff. More pics to follow :D

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:45 am
by Fonda@kauai
Got my silvertip kit yesterday :D so I finished cutting out all the transom pieces. Here's my method for getting a razor straight edge with a skillsaw Image $19.95 cutting fence from HD 8) Then pre-coated my pieces, put on gel magic with a notched spreader and clamped em. So the transom is all done today Image Neyt step is to router the motorwell edges with a 1/2" bit and cap it with a piece of biax tape for more betterness. I don't know if I was super accurate with the cutting or what but the 3 layers matched up perfectly. stoked on that 8) Also, the first layer I used a disposable brush to pe-coat it, but it uses a lot of epoxy. Better to use a plastic spreader to push the laminating resin around, much better mileage. By the way, what's SWMBO stand for?

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:57 am
by nort
She Who Must Be Obeyed! Here's a link to where the phrase originated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_(novel)

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:52 pm
by Fonda@kauai
:lol: :lol: LMAO!

Good Start

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:25 pm
by Bluefish2
Fonda,
Want to see another Panga built. Your luck on the wood.

SWMBO- I thought SHE Who Must Be Obeyed was from Rumpole of the Bailey :)

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:24 am
by Fonda@kauai
So I rounded the motorwell cutout with a 3/8" router bit and capped it with a piece of woven fibeglass tape. I was gonna use biax tape but it's stiffer than woven and wasn't liking the 3/8 bend. Oh well, it's not a necessity to cap it any way. I just like over built stuff :D Also got my console tacked together while I'm waiting for my tent to build in (no garage). Went with the standard console plans that come with the boat plans but made it 6" taller. On an unrelated note shot a nice size uku (green jobfish) freediving the other day while laying in the sand at 55 feet. 8)

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:40 am
by cape man
55 feet free diving! Good job, and good green job fish! Had one for dinner in Kona in 99' . Good stuff.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:16 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Okay this pic may not mean much to alot of you, but represents the end of a serious emotional roller coaster. Image I went to costco with a skip in my step to get my tent. When I got there they told me they aren't selling them anymore. :x Great, now what? I go to k-mart just to see what they have and they tell me the same thing. Now I'm really thinking I'm screwed. On the way out I glance up and lo and behold, there on the top of a dusty shelf is a carport tent long forgotten. Sustained heavenly chorus sound. So now I can start actually building :D Thanx wobblylegs for doing it first so I know it could be done. I wish I had a garage but hey, if you gotta build ya gotta build.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:11 pm
by BassMunn
I'm also building under a carport and you sure are going to thank those side panels, everytime it rains here (which lately has been every night), I can't work around the sides of the boat without getting drenched.
Good luck, may your epoxy mixing begin :wink:

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:06 am
by Fonda@kauai
Update: bottom, side panels, and stringers are cut out. Also got my strongback set up, level, and squared. Tomorrow hopefully I'll get all the frames finished and can start setting them on the jig and laminating my stringers together. Feels good to make a little progess after all the rain here :D

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:56 am
by tech_support
Fonda@kauai wrote:Update: bottom, side panels, and stringers are cut out. Also got my strongback set up, level, and squared. Tomorrow hopefully I'll get all the frames finished and can start setting them on the jig and laminating my stringers together. Feels good to make a little progess after all the rain here :D
Putting all the panels together to make the hull shape is one of them most rewarding points of the build - post pictures when you have them :)

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:46 pm
by Fonda@kauai
One milestone reached- jig is done! Image This is from between frames "B" and "A" looking toward the transom. That's the tip of "B" that's visible. In order to get a shot of the whole thing I'll have to take the front panel off the tent, and it's rainy right now so that'll have to wait. Building in a tent is actually pretty easy so far except the mosquitos love it in there. And condensation isn't a problem because the airflow isn't bad in there. I only close the sides completely when it pours, so it stays real dry. I also took a shot of how nice the center lines line up on all the frames but the shots not that great Image The three frames between the motorwell bulk head and "C" look crappy because they're just throw away molds out of cheap ply and MDF. Probably gonna take tomorrow off as it's my 27th B-day but other than that movin along quicker than I thought. A lot of beauties getting built by you guys, I appreciate you setting the bar so high :wink: Edit: Thanx Aripeka Angler, links fixed

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:16 am
by chicagoross
In that second shot I can sure see what they've talked about on bending the front panels for the pangas! :D There's something to look forward to!

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:05 am
by Fonda@kauai
frame "A" is just a sliver :help:

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:38 am
by Aripeka Angler
Image

Fonda, looking good :) I really like the boat you are building.

The text of your photo needs to end in jpg. Then highlight the text and hit the img button ONCE.

Continued good luck and you will be catching mahi real soon :wink:

Richard

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:12 am
by cape man
Looking forward to watching this baby come together. Happy BDay!!!

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:06 pm
by BassMunn
Looking Good Fonda! Happy Birthday :wink: May your year be filled with epoxy and ply wood :lol:

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:42 pm
by TomW
Looks good and happy birthday.

Tom

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:08 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Here's a pretty good arguement for peel ply I think Image This is on the outside of the bottom panel so hopefully it will make fairing a little easier. It looks like there's a big ridge on the edge of the splice in the picture, but it's barely detectable to the touch. Easily faired out. I think I'll use the peel ply everywhere I can from here on out 8)

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:43 pm
by tech_support
did you use real peel ply? Or what we all call "poor mans peel ply" here which is thick plastic?

Laying the wide cloth over that glass joint will be very easy, just buzz the edges of the tape with a sander and your set.

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:06 pm
by mecreature
this will be a fun project to follow.


I wouldn't get at all hung up over that little bump.

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:37 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I used poor mans peel ply. 5 mil plastic. After I lay the plastic over the lamination, I roll out all the air bubbles then put a scrap of 1/2" ply with some weight on it on top of that. It seems to really push the glass down through the epoxy. No worries on the edge of the splice. By the time I sand the edges and lay the biax cloth over it, you won't even know it's there 8)

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:12 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Okay guys, I need some sage advice :D But first a few progress pics. In order to get the okoume to compound bend around the front frames I kerfed the front half of the bottom panels. I only cut through 2 of the plys but it helped a lot. Don't have a shot of the kerfs yet. The I made the bottom panels conform to the frames using temporary screws Image As you can see there were some nasty bulges 8O Then I hung the side panels, pulled the stitches tight and removed the temporary screws. Much better! Here's looking back toward the transom Image It's far from perfect and I'll definitely take my time fine tuning it. Here's a shot looking toward the bow.. Image again not perfect yet, but we'll get there. Before I hang the other side panel I still have easy access under the hull. So my question is what do you think I should do about this Image The plywood scraps that are 90 degrees to the keel seam have a screw through them tightening the panels to the frames. Should I try to pull the panels down like Copro did? Or should I just stitch them tightly, pull out the screws holding the panels down at the frames, and let them do as they wish? Either way it's fairness first, but I'm looking for some confirmation 8)

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:49 pm
by saltponder
To take out the seam bulges on my Panga 20, I used 2x4 sections underneath and screwed down and then tack welded seams with the wood flour/epoxy mix. Where the bow started to curve downwards, I used Copro's pull down technique in two spots on the keel, but all other bulges were removed easily with 2x4's, one on each side of the seam and parallel to the seams but an inch or two away from the seam. Afer spot welding cured, I removed the 2x4's.
Gil

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:41 am
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx Gil. That's where I saw the 2x4 trick 8) couldn't remember. How's your panga coming by the way? I'd love to see some pix. I'm gonna use you're 2x4 trick unless I hear otherwise that I should just stitch em and let em do what they want

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:53 am
by saltponder
My panga and I are laid up on a lee shore waiting for a wind of motivation to get me off the rocks. Still need to finish fairing outside of hull and paint. Perhaps your efforts will shame me into action.

JASmine's panga 20 was the source of inspiration for the 2x4's. Be sure to use the skinny edge for screw down. I departed from his procedure by using putty fillets for spot-tacking rather than the fiberglass tabs. Figured it would make fairing easier. Be sure to tape the inside seam to control putty depth. The 22's panels are under less bending compression than the 20' panels so the fillets are more than adequate to hold the shape pending seam filling with putty and taping.
Gil

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:12 pm
by Dougster
I struggled with 2 x 4s, straps, screws and various choice phrases, all to the good in the end. But if I were you, first I'd try the stitch 'em and let 'em fall where they will thing. It's easy and won't take long. I'd let 'em sit after stitching for a day or so, and experiment with loosening and tightening the stitches to get her fair. Gaps are good, up to 3/8" so there's room to play.

Says it looks pretty good from here already Dougster

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:28 pm
by saltponder
Point of clarification: It was only on the keel seam that two 2x4's required. Only one is required per chine between stations. I was surprised how far back towards the stern the curving between stations appeared. I was not able snug the curves out with lock ties alone. That 3/8" bottom is tough stuff and I snapped a few ties trying. Once I got the 2x4s in place, the curves flattened out easily using sheetrock screws where needed. Working alone, I had to drop the sides to temporarily hold the 2x4's against the bottom to secure them at each end. I worked with 2 drills. One to predrill and the other to drive screws. I had to retie the sides to the bottom but that was no big deal. I had extended braces beyond the hull sides at the top of the sides (bottom while hull upside down) at several stations. This allowed the side panels to be almost in place for tying. I later cut them flush with sides as they were shin busters. Another pair of hands would have been helpful under the hull. I would have saved a lot of wasted time and frustration going to the 2x4's first.
Gil

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Sounds like you're stuck in the doldrums Gil :help: No shame in that. Still I'd love to see another panga done, or at least a pic of your progress. You can post pix here if you don't have a thread going, can't remember if you do :oops: Spent a lot of quality time in pangas fishing with my dad, so they have a special place in my heart :wink: Anyway my friend james is gonna come help me on the boat today, so we're gonna try the 2x4 trick down the keel first, and if I can't get the keel seam perfectly fair that way I'll stitch em and see how that looks (thanx dougster, love nina by the way). Either way I'll get it. The 22 definitely seems easier than the 20 looks. The chine is almost perfect with just the zip ties. There's a little more bulge between "B" and "C" than plastic zip ties can handle so I'm off to get some wire for those stitches. But I can't imagine doing tighter compounding, like in the 20. Especially with meranti :help: Just have to out stubborn it I guess

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:10 pm
by saltponder
Stuck in the doldrums, for sure:

http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?p=159422#159422

Gil

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:25 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Panels are all stitched! Image You can probably see I still have a little more fine tuning on the chine seam and a few bulges to take out of the keel seam but that's small potatos. I've been working 60 hour weeks right now, just started my own business. So all the progress I'm making is in the hour or two before dark everyday. But I see normal work hours and days off on the horizon, so I should start moving at a better pace soon. For anyone else building a panga or boat with a lot of compounding, I say skip the zip ties and use tie wire for stitches in the really bendy areas. I used a doubled piece of tie wire(the rebar kind) in the tricky spots and it saved a lot of headache. The zip ties just weren't strong enough for some sections and the beauty of tie wire is you can unwind it a little if you need some slack or fine tuning. I'm amazed how well all the panels came together. Somebody put some serious TLC into designing this baby :D

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:14 am
by chicagoross
Looking very nice, Fonda! I built my HMD while running and expanding my own small business, although I usually got about 2 hours at a time. Just keep telling yourself you've got normal work hours coming! :D :D Don't know of any other small businessman with normal hours, but no reason you shouldn't be the first! Whatever, enjoy your hour of building each day, it's the best stress relief from the business!

That panga has some serious bends in the ply - I didn't have any of those issues. Glad you got it solved!

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:28 am
by Dougster
That looks really good to me. I'm impressed you can work that many hours a week and then push on with the boat when you get home. It seems like you have accomplished a great deal with your hour here and hour there. That's a good tip about the wire vs zip ties. I like the idea of being able to easily loosen one a bit.

Likes seein' these hulls come together Dougster

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:14 pm
by jgroves
Boat is looking great! I love the look of plywood taking shape :D

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:03 pm
by Fonda@kauai
enjoy your hour of building each day, it's the best stress relief from the business!
That's what keeps me goin!
It seems like you have accomplished a great deal with your hour here and hour there
That's because I'm thinking about it all day at work and attack when I get home :D

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:34 pm
by BassMunn
Hey Fonda you're moving along pretty quick, those are big panels to fight into place. The wire is a good idea, I had cable ties snap a few times on my bow section. I run my own business from home and can see my boat out of the office window, often find myself being very tempted to go outside quickly just to check something out :D

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:58 pm
by bermudian
Hey Fonda good job. I too have my own business (mobile tool sales) and a normal 8 hour work day is not in the cards but just a couple of hours a day after work you can get a lot of thing accomplished. One of the the most important things is keeping the momentum going even if it is just to clean things up' just do something every day. I had a lot of people ask me where did I find the time to build a boat and my reply was that I stopped watching TV!

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:43 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx guys :D At the rate your going Bassmunn, I have a feeling your a weak man for temptation :P Lookin good, keep up the good work!
p.s. I don't have TV either, would much rather read or do something than watch someone else doing it.

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:36 am
by cape man
Boat is taking shape! Looks great from here. An hour here and there is how most of us get things done. My biggest problem is I start day dreaming about the build while doing other things... Doodling pictures of the boat while in meetings...

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:28 pm
by BassMunn
Fonda@kauai wrote:Thanx guys :D At the rate your going Bassmunn, I have a feeling your a weak man for temptation :P Lookin good, keep up the good work!
p.s. I don't have TV either, would much rather read or do something than watch someone else doing it.
Guilty as charged :lol:

I agree would much rather do it myself than watch someone on TV do it. Unless it's a fishing programme I just don't watch it :D

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:45 pm
by tech_support
Image

very nice job on the stitching. Getting it right now is a lot easier than getting it right later with fairing compound :!: :)

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:27 am
by Fonda@kauai
Getting it right now is a lot easier than getting it right later with fairing compound
That's what I was thinking. I'd rather spend more time and energy now and have the rest of the build be a little more enjoyable. Delayed gratification if you will :D All the little imperfections are worked out, all the stitches are pulled, and there's just a few more places in the chine and keel to fill with EZ fillet. I'll post a pic when the edges are all rounded over and it's ready for FG tape. It looks like a boat :!:
My biggest problem is I start day dreaming about the build while doing other things...
Same here. Boat building is ruining my life :help: and I'm so stoked :D

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:56 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Ready for glass! ImageAll seams and stitching holes are filled and all edges are rounded over. After I took the pic I layed out guidelines for all my FG overlaps with a tape measure and sharpie. I wanna do it all wet on wet so I'm kinda waiting for a nice sunny day. Been real rainy here. Also waiting to hear what I should do about my transducer before I lay the glass down (anything else section) Want it as solid as possible :wink:

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:30 pm
by saltponder
Looking great! With the glass pre-cut, and with three folks working; one mixing, the other two spreading, we were able to work wet-on-wet on my 20' Panga and get it done in under 3 hours. Of course, the big difference was that one of us was Cracker Larry. :) Short of sending Larry a Delta ticket to HI, if you can get two more folks helping it will make a big difference. We used 7" rollers, spreaders, and plenty of vinegar for clean up.
Gil

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:26 pm
by Fonda@kauai
One hell of a long day yesterday, but she's pretty much all glassed! All wet on wet and all by myself Image Took this shot after all seams were taped and panels pre-coated. You can see my guidlines on the transom for the wide cloth. Also I beefed up the lamination schedule a little, running 2 layers of tape on the chine instead of 1. Here I am mixing some resin getting ready to start wetting out the cloth. Note how I carried the cloth higher up the sides than the required 6" Image And here's the transom all done. Image The white you see on the transom edge isn't air. I made a small cutting error and filled the gap with milled fiber and resin. There's a few airbubbles I need to fill in but not anywhere structural. The white on the lower left is where I hit the stitching with some sand paper. And here's a shot from the bow Image Again a few small bubbles but nothing I can't take care of. I have a few braces with screws holding the shear in shape hence the spots where I didn't glass over the screws :wink: So after work today I'll fill in the weave and bubbles, knock down any fibers and patch in the leftover fabric scraps where the sides and transom didn't get covered. It's not required on the panga, but I want the whole outside to have glass. I'm hard on my stuff :lol:

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:38 pm
by colonialc19
Looking good Fonda!

Keep the pics coming 8)

Daniel

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:50 pm
by BassMunn
Hey looking good!
It's pretty tiring doing all that glassing in one go isn't it? That's a big boat.

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:05 pm
by chicagoross
Nice going, Fonda! Glassing the outside was the only part of the boat I didn't do solo - my wife was mixing resin for me while I did the application (that seemed to fulfill her boatbuilding urges until it was time to sew the berth and seat cushions :D ). That's a big job for one guy.

Now the "building" will be on hold while you get to the "fun" part! :D

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:05 am
by wegcagle
Wet on wet alone on a 22' boat? Man, I thought I was sore doing that on a 15' boat. :D Great job, looks really clean. Might I suggest a few cold brews and a couple of days of bragging to your friends before continuing. It really helps those acky muscles.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:36 am
by tech_support
great job, doing the whole thing wet on wet saves a lot of sanding time.

Oh yeah, if anyone in Hawaii or some other wonderful place wants help on a big lamination, send me a ticket and I will trade fiberglass time for fishing/hunting/surfing time :D

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:54 pm
by Fonda@kauai
NOW you tell me!

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:56 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Definitely a few brews in order before the "fun" begins :D

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:29 am
by chicagoross
See if he'll trade fairing time!

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:26 am
by tech_support
chicagoross wrote:See if he'll trade fairing time!
Yes, I will bring the tools :)

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:01 am
by wegcagle
Oh yeah, if anyone in Hawaii or some other wonderful place wants help on a big lamination, send me a ticket and I will trade fiberglass time for fishing/hunting/surfing time
Something tells me that deal doesn't count for the wonderful state of Georgia :wink:

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:16 pm
by luzarr
Hey Fonda

If you can lay on the bottom in 55' of water without a tank you're a real he-man diver.

Looks good. I was wondering how things where going after I saw one of your questions, but didn't stumble over your thread til now.

I'm putting together the same boat in Tidewater Virginia. I hope to flip it next week

Rex

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:35 pm
by colonialc19
luzarr,

I'd love to see a PG22 in person, If you need a hand flippn' her over I'm avail. next weekend, I'm just up 460 in Colonial Heights.

Sorry to get off subject Fonda

Dainel

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:16 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Post some pix of your build luzarr :D 55 feet is attainable by anyone on this board. So is 100 for that matter. You just have to know how to relax and breath up properly. It's all in the head, not the lungs :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:26 am
by luzarr
I'll try to get some pictures up in a week or so, after I flip it. I'm severely computer challenged but I ran across instructions on how to post pictures a couple of days ago, so I'll give it a try

Colonial - you're welcome to stop in any time. I'm in Newport News.
I have some good dive buddies up your way in Hopewell .

11839 canon blvd 757 873 2205 I generally work on it 5 to 7 weekdays and 12 to 5 weekends.

Rex

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:42 am
by Fonda@kauai
If you can't figure out how to post a pic, e mail it to someone one here and have them post it for you. I like see brah :D

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:55 pm
by Fonda@kauai
A little progress report. I went a head and glassed the entire outside hull, even though it only needs to be 6" up the sides. Image So I got that all done, then sharpened my transom edges and chine with EZ fillet. The reason I sharpened the chine is I want a nice clean line to attach my spray rail to. It's very quick using EZ fillet, no dam required. I just smear some on the edge I want to sharpen, then run my popsicle mixing stick flat along the side, then the bottom. Forms a perfect angle where the side and bottom or transom edges meet and is zero waste. After it cures hit it with a sanding block and presto. Also started my rubrail laminations as you can see. 2 layers of 3/8 by the time it's done. I left about 3/8" proud of the shear line, that way I can butt the deck up to it and plane the excess down to flush. Rub rail will be 2 1/4" when finished. Sorry I haven't been real detailed with the pics, but I work on it at odd times since I'm working so much, so I usually don't have time to stop and snap pics half way through the process. I still can't decide if I should fair it completely, then grind the fairing compound away where I attach the spray rails and keel, or to attach them now and fair around them? Thoughts? Also the water looked like this yesterday, so went whale watching (they're here right now) and even snuck in a bluewater dive. Image Saw a lot of whales real close and did a few drifts past the bouy with my bluewater gun but no one was home except for a thousand 5 pound Aku's (skipjack tuna) Real relaxing anyway. 200 ft visibility and 1000 fathoms deep, gets kinda hypnotizing after a while Image

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:26 am
by Lucky_Louis
I still can't decide if I should fair it completely, then grind the fairing compound away where I attach the spray rails and keel, or to attach them now and fair around them? Thoughts?
I would bond the spray rails to the hull before fairing. Better to glue to epoxy/glass base than bond to fairing compound which by design is fairly weak.

Also, it will give you a chance to fillet/sand around the rails at the same time instead of starting again after fairing the hull.

Make sense?

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:09 am
by wegcagle
Looking Awesome :!:
I
still can't decide if I should fair it completely, then grind the fairing compound away where I attach the spray rails and keel, or to attach them now and fair around them? Thoughts?
I have been reading a bunch on this topic since we are almost at the same point of our builds. The general concensus is put down the skeg/strakes before you do a bunch of fairing, that way it is easier to fair the strakes/skeg into the hull, and because you are attaching it directly to the epoxy like LL said. I think this is how I'm going to go about it anyway.

Will

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:38 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Ok I think that's how I'll do it. If I were to fair it first I would grind away the fairing compound where the skeg and spray rails go, but that would probably be a lot more work in the end.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:40 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Duplicate

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:38 am
by luzarr
For what it's worth. I put the skeg and spay rails on first. Unless you have a helper and plan on using a lot of screws you're going to have some gaps that will have to be fiilled with putty. I don't see any advantage to fairing first.

I'd like to see 200 ft of vis. In Virginia if we see 50 ft you can call it one of the best trips of the year. Do you build you own guns? If not and you want to let me know. I'll send you plenty of info.

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:38 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Right now I use a wong Mahi gun for bluewater, but I've thought about building my own. Especially if I have any leftover epoxy :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:31 pm
by Lucky_Louis
...if I have any leftover epoxy :wink:
:) :D :lol: :) :D :lol:

Good one! Count on ordering more at least once.

"last gallon" is also a knee-slapper. :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:03 pm
by chicagoross
:lol:

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:51 pm
by colonialc19
Lucky_Louis wrote:
...if I have any leftover epoxy :wink:
:) :D :lol: :) :D :lol:

Good one! Count on ordering more at least once.

"last gallon" is also a knee-slapper. :wink:
Yeah i've ordered that last gallon once, then started ordering the last 3 gallons 8O , but I must admit i'm a lil wastful with it :oops: .

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:00 pm
by Fonda@kauai
:lol: yeah I probably won't make it. Used a lot doing the extra glass on the sides. I've used 3 gal of resin and 1 and a half of hardner so far. Don't know if that's good or bad, but I do have a pretty high glass content so far. I've laminated a few surfboards so I know my way around a squeegee. EZ fillet is almost gone though :doh: I don't see how it's possible to do a whole boat with one tub. The big wedge space between the sides and transom, and bottom and transom ate a lot of fillet.

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:45 pm
by BassMunn
Looking sweet Fonda!

I've already used the 10 Gallons of epoxy shown on the plans and still have all the sole and decks to do, I'm thinking closer to 20 once finished 8O

Nice Blue water! The last time I saw water that clean I was on honeymoon in the Maldives (and I wasn't allowed to take a speargun or fishing rod with :( )

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:19 pm
by TomW
Yea it seems like every one goes through 20-50% more epoxy than is shown on the Study plans. lots of it goes out in the trash as excess do to ;mixing up to much for what you need, lots on the floor, extra coating of the inside compartments with tints. building a console which is not included in the BOM.

You get the Idea.

Tom

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:19 pm
by chicagoross
lots of folks were at double the BOM for epoxy. Basically, aside from less than perfect usage, all the extras you do add up big time - hatches, consoles, bait tanks, backing plates for hardware, etc. But that's how it works - you're building a custom boat for yourself, and everything you can think that you may want you should prepare for now, much easier than after painting, and much easier than retrofitting a commercially built boat.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:04 pm
by Fonda@kauai
That's how I look at it, I get all the custom features I want, and all I have to do is buy the materials :D I've got no complaints

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:47 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Progress report: got my rurails done finally. 2 layers of 3/8" ply 2 5/8" tall Image after the laminations were cured, I used this handy little tool to fair the under side of the rail Image It's a piece of 1x1 wrapped in sandpaper. Then I filled in any little low spots. Now I just need to put a little round-over on the edge (probably 1/8") and give it 3 or so coats of epoxy. Next is the spray rail. I'm thinking about using fir quarter round like Jasmine did, unless someone on here can give me a better idea :wink: I'll probably dull the sharp edge a littl and put some 2 or 4 oz. woven on the spray rail just for abrasion. Also got my fairing board made Image It's 3/8" okoume and fits the curves on the side panels perfectly. It might be stiff enough for the bottom but I'm not sure yet. If not I'll fair the sides then add another layer to make a stiffer board. I know I'm gonna need a 1/4" one for the front of the bottom panels :help:

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:59 pm
by BassMunn
Rubrail looks good.

Fairing - May the force be with you :lol:

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:16 pm
by saltponder
JASmine used softwood, but recommended that I use hardwood such as oak. Spruce dings too easily.
Gil

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:47 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Fairing- looking forward to it :? actually I don't really mind repetative tasks like that, it's good thinking time. I don't know if I'll be able to find the quarter round in white oak, nly have red oak at the HD, which I hear is junk. Maybe if I wrap the fir with woven cloth?

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:12 am
by saltponder
After laying the keel, I was given some fairly dense 1"x1" mahagony that I will use. I wished I'd used it on my keel, but the keel does have the biaxial tape covering it. Even 1"x1" is too stiff to bend properly so I'll have to rip it longitudinally and laminate. If you can't find half round, rectangular would work fine with either a router or manually planing, rasping or sanding a radius once in place. That's what I plan on doing with the mahagony. I want to avoid glassing the rails, but that sounds like a plan.
Gil

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:46 am
by Fonda@kauai
Progress!
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Rubrails are done, with the 4th and final coat of epoxy curing as I type. Spray rails are almost done, with the 2nd coat curing now. Here's another shot
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and here's a shot of the spray rail profile
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I used a modified popsicle stick to make a fillet between the bottom and the rails. Waited for it to cure then sanded it smooth. Looks pretty clean if I do say so myself. I left the joint between the sides and spray rails sharp, since it's where I'll be switching colors :wink: I also used a piece of 1/4" ply that was 2 feet long as a pattern for the spray rails at the bow to get the blend-in just right. It was 1" wide at one end tapering down to nothing at the other. Used that with a sharpie to make the rails fade to nothing right where they meet the bow. Then shaped it to the sharpie line with a plane, took the long board to it to get it really smooth, then blended in the rounded part of the quarter round. Next I think I'll fair the sides and transom, then take a break from that to install the skeg. Kinda break up the fairing a little then fair the bottom. I gotta say, the first part of the build was kinda stressful. Just wondering if I could really do it and if I was gonna waste a bunch of money trying. It was just about getting a boat on the water. But I had an epiphany the other day, the stress is gone :D I'm just really having fun with the project now, enjoying the build :D No more doubts, if I can make it this far I know I can finish, no problem. Now I know why you guys get hooked.
Edit: spray rails are 1"x1" fir quarter round. I rounded over the outside edge with my longboard to make sure they were smooth and even.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:45 am
by colonialc19
Great work Fonda, nice and clean.

Once it starts to look like a boat you kinda get a sence of relief, like you said, you can enjoy it 8)

Daniel

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:58 pm
by BassMunn
Hey Fonda nice work on the spray rail, it looks good.

I've also just started slowing down, I've been working myself half to death to try get it done and then earlier this week I thought "Why the rush?", It's actually the building part that's fun. Seeing it all come together. Although I have to admit I can't wait to do some low flying in it :D

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:48 pm
by SaltyD
Looking good Fonda, thanks for keeping a good detailed thread on your Panga. I'm just getting my shop organised and hoping for some warmer weather to get going on a Panga 22 myself so I've been lurking on this thread with great interest! 8)

A couple questions on your strongback if you don't mind.. What lumber did you use, 2x8? And how long and what width did you go with?

Height above ground? Would you do anything differently? It looks like you've got a comfortable working height there. ..

Keep up the good work brah!

D

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Nice and very clean jobImage

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:07 pm
by Murry
Very nice Fonda!
I really like how you shaped the spray rails towards the bow.

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:35 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx guys :D For my strong back I used 2x8's. It's 23 feet long and I have a 2x4 cross brace every 6 feet. Plenny solid. I basically set it on the uneven ground, which was hard packed, then shimmed the rest of it up to level and staked it really good. So some parts are sitting directly on the packed ground and the rest is sitting on shims, and it's all staked just to be sure. As for the width of the strong back, I strongly recommend the same width I used :D 33" inside to inside of the 2x8's. Or in other words make the inbetween braces 33" and your set. 33" is the exact inside to inside distance of the motorwell sides. See pic
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So you mount your 2x4 (or my 3x3) on the inside of the strongback, then the motorwell sides on the outside of those. This makes it very easy to hang station G and the motorwell sides first, then hang the transom on that. It's solid as a rock. The lowest point of the boat is the nose, which is only 8" from the ground :help: got lucky on that one. But the height is nice to work at, it's just a little low for crawling under. Lucky I'm skinny! Also got some fairing done. The transom is totally done and ready for a seal coat, and one more pass on the side to fill in the final low spots.
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Took 3 coats each area and a total of 16 hours sanding just to get to this point, but it's worth it. Babies WISH their butts were this smooth :wink:
There won't be anything to fill in with the high-build primer.

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:22 am
by saltponder
"There won't be anything to fill in with the high-build primer."
Hopefully you won't have to taste these words coming back the other way. :lol: It's looking good.
Gil

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:34 pm
by wegcagle
Lookin' REALLY good Fonda. I think you'll be bloodying her decks with speared fish sooner than you think. :wink: Very clean.

Will

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:25 pm
by SaltyD
Thanks for the info Fonda, much appreciated 8)

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:19 am
by Fonda@kauai
No prob. And thanx for all the encouragement guys, no way I could build this without everyones thoughts, opinions,rants, and experiance they share. I always try to make my words sweet Gil, as it is typical that I eat them :D No work on the boat today :( Had to make-a da money

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:25 pm
by Fonda@kauai
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Skeg is on. 1x2 clear doug fir 10 feet long. The white at the front is thickened epoxy to shape a nice blend in with the hull. I rounded the top with a 3/8" router bit on each side and tapered the front and back so the water flows cleanly around it. Then glued it down, built a fillet, then covered it with 1 layer of 12 oz. biax tape. After it cured I knocked of the stitching with a sanding block and filled the weave with thickened epoxy, which is where it's at now, curing. To get the skeg straight I snapped a chalk line down the center, then measured 3/8" off each side of the chalk line and put a small pen mark (skeg is 3/4" actual size). I did this every 12". Then used a small spot of super glue to temporary glue a small wood block at each of my pen marks. The skeg slid tightly between the guides which kept it arrow straight. Super happy with how it came out. After it cured knocked the blocks off with a tap from a hammer and sanded away the super glue residue. Sides are completely faired and have a seal coat of epoxy on them. Just have to fair the bottom now and then it's time to prime :D

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:38 am
by chicagoross
Nice detail work! Not long til the flip - you got your insides layout all planned out yet?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:25 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx CR :D Getting the itch to build again? As for the layout I think I'll keep it pretty open. The center console from the plans, only 6" taller, which I've already built. There'll be a hatch in the seat top in the console, a hatch on the front and back for access to wiring, a hatch in each stern box, and a hatch in the motorwell bulk head. Probably do a big scupper under each stern box out the transom. I was thinking split a piece of 3" PVC and use that to get each scupper through the boxes. Maybe 4"? Batteries in console, gas tank under the casting deck. Hopefully that will work out balance-wise, we'll see. Not sure about a leaning post, But I definitely want a T-top if JM allows it. I have a friend on the west side who is a genius stainless welder, so I think he can make me a relatively light custom one. Furuno sounder/gps combo. That's what I'm thinking so far....
Build on :D

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:14 pm
by chicagoross
Sounds pretty clean, Fonda, perfect for your dive trips. I'd go bigger on your scuppers - what you want is for a wave that came over the sides to empty before the next wave hits. Even my little HMD called for 3x5 scuppers.

I'm way beyond "getting the itch". This being your first build you are unaware of the changes that have taken place already (even though we warned you that it was addictive). I'm in that process of sorting through plans that I had rejected for my last build, searching for the "perfect boat" plan that wasn't available then, trying to justify different kinds of boats that I hadn't had a need for previously... It's almost painful being without a build. It's pretty much the same as any other addiction. You'll understand when you start looking at your budget and wondering whether food and electricity are really as important as epoxy :doh: ...well maybe the electricity is, I'd hate to give up my power tools. :D

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:32 am
by Fonda@kauai
Hmmmm......maybe a half of a 4" pipe scupper on each side and a 2x6 scupper leading to the bilge in the motorwell with 2 bilge pumps? So 2 overboard and the bilge just in case?
You'll understand when you start looking at your budget and wondering whether food and electricity are really as important as epoxy
Man sounds like you got it bad :lol: I obsess about the boat and love working on it so much I don't know what I'll do when it's done :lol:

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:15 am
by Cracker Larry
If you're like most of us, you'll build another one :lol:

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:33 pm
by Fonda@kauai
God, don't let my wife hear you say that! But if I did.....
AB23, DE23,P21 in that order

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:59 pm
by chicagoross
That'll keep you out of trouble for a while! Better do the DE23, the wives seem to appreciate a bit of "creature comfort". And all boatbuilders know the wife has to be happy too! :D

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:00 pm
by wegcagle
God, don't let my wife hear you say that! But if I did.....
AB23, DE23,P21 in that order
Good call...but then...there's always the GS28, CS25, LB26 which could all make awesome deep water dive boats as well :wink:

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:33 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I agree, all sweet boats 8) I'm going pretty utilitarian on the panga, so any future builds would be comfy for SWMBO. It's the least I could do :P

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:26 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Just a quick update: I had 2 weeks off from boat building because I ran out of quikfair and procrastinated too long to order more, so I had to wait for the mailman :x Anyway got in more quikfair and 2 gallons of primer so should be primering soon. Sides and transom are fair, starboard bottom is fair and port side bottom needs one more pass of fairing and she's ready to prime. I'll post some pics soon if the new forum allows it. She's lookin really smooth :D Also, is hatteras white or matterhorn white light gray? The sides will be sterling sea mist green so I want an off white for the bottom and topsides. Recommendations?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:45 pm
by Murry
Aloha,

I think aqua mist would be a nice accent color for the sea foam, but it might not be the tone you're looking for. :doh:

The prpgress sounds great, looking forward to those pictures.

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:03 am
by TomW
Hatteras white is a very light cream, I'm thinking of using on the inside so I know it well and also knowing what Hatteras boats look like. Matterhorn white looks pretty white, white.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:55 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha Murry, can't seem to find the color "aqua mist", where can I see it? And Thanks Tom, Hatteras White it is. I want kind of a warmer or off white rather than stark white. Here's the progress pics I promised-
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You can see the last touch up spots of quikfair drying as I type (the darker areas). So tomorrow I'll sand anything that needs it and roll on the first 2 coats of primer. I plan on basically priming, spraying on a guide coat, then sanding it all off again to get it really smooth. Suggestions?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:45 am
by TomW
I like to roll on a 2 layers of primer then take a can of bright blue Krylon fast drying spray(15 min). Staying far enough away spray it on so you get speckles not solid streaks spray it on the primer. Take your fairing boards and lightly sand. This will show you your highs and lows. Take off the highs. Then sand again and you will take off most of the rest of the paint leaving the lows, fill them in with QF. You do not need to sand all the paint off the next coat of primer will cover whats left.

I like the blue it shows better for me you can use any color you want but blue and red seem to show best, black is okay also.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:20 am
by Cracker Larry
The Matterhorn White has a slight blue/gray tint. It's not a pure white.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:03 am
by Murry
I think "blue tone white" would also look good with "sea foam". "Aqua mist" may be to similar.

You should be able to download a color chart off of Boat Builder Central. Becareful though, monitor settings can really alter the
colors. I've been looking at an Awl Grip color chart.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:09 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Tom, that sounds like a good strategy, I'm running with it. Checking out the awlgrip colors now Murry :wink: I don't know if I want the white to be tinted blue or green, might be too much with the sea mist. Which white is offwhite gray or cream CL? The interior will have gray kiwigrip so I thought that might go nice with a light gray or cream.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:20 pm
by TomW
CL was referring to the Sterling Matterhorn White. Why Grey Kiwi Grip why not Creme? Just curious? If going with gray then go for the Sterling Matterhorn White interior it is a nice color. Here is the Sterling Color chart http://www.boatbuildercentral.com/Sterl ... _chart.pdf It is more accurate at your maximum monitor specs.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:32 pm
by saltponder
Fonda, Tom,
Is "Awlgrip" easily repairable like Sterling? Seems I recall seeing that it was not.
Gil

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:21 pm
by TomW
Neither is easily repairable do to there characterists. Both will require sanding down around the repair area and a blending in. then a buffing to further blend them into the older paint area. Sterling and Awlgrip are very similar in characteristics. Very differerent from S3.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:38 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Okay, looking at the color chart again, I think hatteras white is the ticket. I like the idea of cream for the kiwigrip too. I just want something to soften the white in the bright hawaiian sun. So, pondering the cream or gray..... Also, primer's goin on first thing tomorrow morning! I'll post some pics of before primer, primed, primed with guide coat, and sanded back down again. That oughta give you sickos your fix for a while :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:58 pm
by Doc_Dyer
there can NEVER be enough boat porn :oops: :doh: :doh:

Bradley

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:37 am
by TomW
You got it Doc :D , we have to get together at CR since we are just across the mountains from each other.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:42 am
by tech_support
Fonda@kauai wrote:Okay, looking at the color chart again, I think hatteras white is the ticket. I like the idea of cream for the kiwigrip too. I just want something to soften the white in the bright hawaiian sun. So, pondering the cream or gray..... Also, primer's goin on first thing tomorrow morning! I'll post some pics of before primer, primed, primed with guide coat, and sanded back down again. That oughta give you sickos your fix for a while :D
Im very partial to cream/light tan non-skid . It will not get hot and it kills the sun glare, plus it looks nice with most colors. the light gray may hide dirt a little better, but i cant tell the difference.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:34 am
by gk108
The light gray KG is pretty light. Next to B'dge White (really medium gray) paint, it looks closer to white. If you are going to use white paint for decks and soles, the light gray KG won't do a whole lot to reduce glare. For safety purposes, a nice color contrast between slick deck and non-skid is helpful. That makes you sort of unconciously step on the non-skid instead of busting your... :help:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:20 pm
by BassMunn
Doc_Dyer wrote:there can NEVER be enough boat porn :oops: :doh: :doh:
That's no lie, where all junkies :lol:
Common Fonda get painting already :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:15 am
by Fonda@kauai
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First coat of primer on. I ran out of daylight so I'll throw on the second coat tomorrow. There's not many imperfections, glad I went the extra mile on the fairing. Looks kinda grey yeah? So Thursday I'll spray my guide coat and sand down to find any imperfections. I've used 1/2 a gallon of primer so far on one coat, and have 1 and a half gallons left. So one more coat should finish off the first gal., leaving a full nother one to finish priming :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:35 am
by Doc_Dyer
nice that what Im talking about.

great job on the build

thanks for the porn :D

Bradley

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:36 am
by tech_support
looks really nice. Getting the hull all one color is a very fulfilling moment

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:10 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Wax on:
Image
Wax off:
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All hand sanded! I put the RO sander on the bottom cuz I kept triping over it. You can see a few spots I'll need to fill a little more but she's pretty damn smooth :D Thanx for the tip Tom, blue is a great color for showing the lows. The only thing I would have done differently is rolled on 2 coats of the high build primer like Tom suggested. I got lazy and cocky and only did one. 2 coats would have left hardly anything to fill. So I'll fix the lows, sand again, then roll on 3 coats to finish the primer :D I have a question that I posted in the sterling section also, so check that out if you feel like helping :D My arms and back are so shredded from sanding but hey, it looks like a boat!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:53 am
by TomW
Isn't that blue pretty. :lol: I think you saw why I like it. She really looks good and ready to get the final primer coats and final sanding with 220 or 320. Nice job.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:02 am
by Murry
Looking good Joe :!:

What tools did use to hand sand the primer with. Long board? Did you do the whole thing with that small sanding block/ :help: :lol: It's difficult to visualize what I haven't done yet. :doh:

What grit have you been using? I was wondering if I could stay with 60 grit until after the final primer application, and then finish up with 220 like Tom suggested.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:29 am
by BassMunn
Hey Fonda Boat is looking great.
You can see you've done some serious fairing on that hull, I got lazy on the underneath of the hull and regret it now.

That's one serious size GT in your Avatar 8O

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:30 am
by TomW
Murry 80-120 is best for the primer. Use your fairing boards like he said his arms and back are ready for a break. The fairing boards will keep you from gouging or creating any low spots.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:52 am
by Murry
Thanks Tom, What about sanding the final coat of primer. Guide coat, Ro with 320 until the guide coat is gone but now more?

Or should the fairing boards and blocks be used with 320?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:46 am
by TomW
You should only need the one guide coat. For the final with the 320 I stick with the boards, I don't want to take any chances of a momentary lapse and gouging it with the RO. But, I'm an old fart and we never had RO's when I was growing up. :lol:

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:25 am
by tech_support
for final sanding with 320 I use a DA on SLOW setting on the large areas. I hand sand (in circles) on any corners or edges.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:15 pm
by Murry
Excellent, Thanks guys. If I don't have a variable RO by then I'll be sure to stick to hand sanding the flat surfaces.

Sorry to bog down your thread with my questions Fonda. It's always made sense to me to ask the questions where they're generated. I hope you don't mind, but let me know if I've trampled on your toes friend. :wink:
You should only need the one guide coat.
I think my typo below caused some confusion.
Ro with 320 until the guide coat is gone but now more
I meant to type "gone but no more." :D

Thanks again for the help.

Fonda I'm ready to see some Hatteras white :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:14 pm
by Fonda@kauai
No worries Murry, ask anything you want :D As Tom said I used the longboard with 60 grit for the hull and the small sanding block for the skeg, sprayrails and edges where the sides meet the spray rails etc. I wouldn't go anymore aggresive than 60 with the boards. Anything heavier will leave deep scratches that need to be filled. I know this cuz the majority of my fairing was done with 36 grit. Ouch. As for the final primer coat I'm not sure if I'll use the RO, longboard or sanding block. Still pondering.....the RO scares me a little Joel :oops: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking I'll knock down the orange peel left by the roller on the final coat with 100-120 grit. As soon as the paper just starts to touch the lows in the orange peel, I switch to 320 and finish her. Thoughts? Ideas? Mahalo, Joe
p.s. Not my biggest Shannon, but a memorable one. Stoned him at 60 ft with a 100cm reef gun and no breakaway or reel.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:26 pm
by tech_support
the DA on SLOW with a 6" pad is the safest way for me to not take too much off

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:34 pm
by wegcagle
She's looking great. Seeing the hull look so good all painted up....I'm jealous. 8) By the way I've been using 120 grit wet or 220/320 dry with my RA sander for most of my fairing. I think when I did the final sand I used 220 grit wet. The way I did it was just throw a bunch of sanding disks in a bucket of water, and pull them out as I needed. May not be the best way, but it work pretty well for me. I think the console has come out great with that combo.

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:17 pm
by BassMunn
Fonda@kauai wrote: p.s. Not my biggest Shannon, but a memorable one. Stoned him at 60 ft with a 100cm reef gun and no breakaway or reel.
Aahh, The Off switch - That would have been fun if you didn't stone him :help: It's incredible how they break equipment if you don't hit them properly

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:59 pm
by Fonda@kauai
It's incredible how they break equipment if you don't hit them properly
You ain't kidding! I watched a 100 pounder I hit with a 5/16 shaft grind the shaft against the reef till it snapped. Not bent, snapped. The last 6" of spear. 5/16 is a lot of steel! God help you if one ever wraps you up on a deep dive :help:
the DA on SLOW with a 6" pad is the safest way for me to not take too much off
I've only got an RO, so it looks like I'm hand sanding :x
I think when I did the final sand I used 220 grit wet.
I'll probably finish with 220 too. Feels smooth enough to me.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:26 pm
by slvrlng
That is gonna be one sweet ride! Where do you put in? When I visited Kauai it seemed like there weren't too many access points. Maybe Lihue or Wailua river? I really liked Kapaa so go eat a bubba burger for me!
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Mahalo Lewis

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:25 am
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha Lewis, Nice pics 8) I love the Na Pali! The first one looks like kalalau valley as seen from the koke'e lookout. The second one is Kalalau beach with Hono'pu ( the little cove shaped beach) in the background. Beautiful places that were both home to thousands ( yep, Thousands) of native hawaiians until the early 1900's. Truly incredible places with ancient hawaiian ruins to boot. Hono'pu is off limits to protect hawaiian artifacts but I've snuck over once or twice :wink: Kalalau is only really accesible by boat or an 8 hour kayak trip, so it stays really pristine. You can hike in if you're crazy, but I wouldn't recommend it :lol: Also has a population of hippies further up the valley that live off the land and are there full time. They're always naked 8O I live in kapaa and we have a ramp here right in the middle of town, about 10 mins from my house.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:28 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha guys,
I had a few weeks off from boat building because I still haven't learned to order a month in advance to compensate for a package coming halfway around the world :D But lo and behold, Yesterday my sterling paint arrived. :D I wiped the hull down like crazy, hit it with the tack rag, and applied my first coat of hatteras white today. Exactly the color I wanted 8) Here's a few pics:
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The pictures really don't do it justice, this stuff is amazing. The color is different than the camera shows too, it's a reall bright light cream color. The best part? Not one single drip or run!!! A few little gnats are slowly dying on it, but it's pretty slick. I'm gonna flip next weekend so stay tuned. Also, I posted a tip in the "sterling" section, and a question in power boats. Aloha, Joe

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:40 am
by chicagoross
That's incredible for a first coat!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:04 am
by sideslippa
Very very nice...Is that sprayed or rolled and tipped finish?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:31 am
by cape man
Beautiful. Jealous of the Sterling. That stuff flows so nicely.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:29 am
by Murry
Fantastic job Fonda :!:
A couple of questions if you don't mind.

How many coats?
What grit did you end up going with for your final sanding?

Good choice to paint the sides after doing the interior. Are you going with a boot stipe at the paint seem?

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:37 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thank you gentlemen 8) That is 1 coat rolled and tipped. I'll be putting on another coat today, and one more the next day. I have no experience spraying anything, and I don't think I'd wanna start with sterling. It's extremely toxic when sprayed 8O Even a respirator won't help. It flows out so nicely there is absolutely no evidence of a brush anywhere. Some areas looked crappy and unevenly covered after I tipped them, like the spray rails, but after 5 mins or so it kinda spreads itself out and fixes itself. It really is amazing. I finished the sanding with 220. I sanded just till the last of the orange peel dissappeared. I wiped the hull down with a clean rag and fresh water maybe 4 or 5 times then tack ragged it just before painting. I only rolled on 2-3 sq feet at a time and it was almost water thin, as per Joel's recommendation. It was so thin it didn't look like even 4 coats would hide the primer, but as soon as you tip the paint, it kind of thickens up or something :doh: I don't understand it, I just love it. I think the best advice for this stuff is put it on thin, and let it do it's thing. Don't try to go back and fix brush strokes. they'll fix themselves even after 5-10 mins. It was around 75F and variable winds when I painted. Not sure of the humidity. No boot stripe at the paint seam, that's masking tape to keep the sides relatively clean. the sides will be either seafoam green or a baby blue color. Aloha, Joe

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:46 pm
by Murry
I don't understand it, I just love it.
:lol: :lol: That has to be the quote of the day Fonda. We don't have to understand it to use it or love it ,do we. Your doing a fantastic job, keep up the good work.

I'll be going with Sterling or Awlgrip. I hope I can get similar results. :D

Thanks for answering my questions

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:05 pm
by Fonda@kauai
That's the beauty of this forum Murry, Someone's done it first and everyone's happy to answer questions. I'm sure yours will turn out beautiful. Here's the second coat. Hard to get a picture because the camera wouldn't focus on the gloss 8)
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:16 am
by Murry
Fonda@kauai wrote:That's the beauty of this forum Murry, Someone's done it first and everyone's happy to answer questions. I'm sure yours will turn out beautiful. Here's the second coat. Hard to get a picture because the camera wouldn't focus on the gloss 8)
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That's a good problem to have my friend. 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 3:31 pm
by BassMunn
Very nice Fonda, lack of focus ability is a nice problem to have.
Looking forward to seeing that out in the sun. :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:15 pm
by wegcagle
Man Fonda, That paint job turned out INCREDIBLE 8)
Gotta be pretty pleased huh :D

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:00 am
by Fonda@kauai
I'm just so happy, you guys don't even know. It really turned out nicer than I dreamed. No drips, runs or errors. A few other things I forgot to mention: I left a bug zapper on in the boat shed 24/7 for 3 days before I painted, and I think it helped with the gnats. Also, after the paint was catalyzed, I added the brushing thinner then poured the whole mix through a fine paint strainer. Got out a suprisingly large amount of detritis from the paint :doh: Better in the filter than on the boat. And I couldn't help myself, I didn't stop at 3 coats, today I put on #4. Definitely the last coat. It's so perfect I don't think I could do it that nice again. Flawlessness:
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:D :D :D :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:11 am
by Murry
Very nice. I wish I could stop by and see it. :)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:28 am
by Bluefish2
Great looking finish.
BF2

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:50 am
by topwater
You have got to be the first person i heard from on this forum that was this happy the first time they ever used
a marine paint. The paint job looks awsome............. :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:37 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Yeah I don't know, I guess I got lucky. It was actually pretty easy, one of the more enjoyable things I've done on the boat. Definitely better than fairing :help: Okay one more pic, I can't resist. This is my wife, and I really like the angle of the pic
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Okay, pau for now :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:34 pm
by TomW
WOW! Very Nice and she lets you go fishing! :lol:

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:05 pm
by Fonda@kauai
:lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:09 am
by jayb01
Wow! Beautiful........

Oh, and the paint job is impressive too. :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:49 am
by Fonda@kauai
A major milestone reached, and in less than ten minutes!! It happened so fast I didn't even really get any good pics of the flip. Some friends were supposed to show up around 1:00 to help, but they showed up early and we went for it :D
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My neighbor snapped this shot of some dirty construction workers doin their thing. Sorry it's not a better pic, the guy behind the camera wasn't concerned with getting the best angles :roll:
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Sitting in her cradle. This shot makes the boat look tiny :doh:
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That's better! Shows how big she really is. These boats really grow when you flip them 8O :D Notice I left a few temporary frames in to help with the flip and a lot of sheer braces. I was planning on getting a shot of the cradle by itself but wasn't quick enough for the boys. I built the cradle upside down on the hull so it's a perfect, beautiful fit. The last 8 feet are supported by 2x6 carpeted bunks, and I have a set of supports every foot and a half after that. Also, the strongback was still perfectly level so I just set the cradle on that.
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So the strong back is level, the baseline (sole) is level, and I built the cradle so the bottom of it was level. When I put the boat and cradle on the strongback, Voila! The baseline and sole are perfectly level! I checked to make sure and it's all good, Both stringers are level lengthwise and across each other :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:23 am
by gk108
Looking good! A little planning ahead on the flip sure paid off. :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:42 pm
by chicagoross
Sweet! Major milestone!
These boats really grow when you flip them
Don't worry, once you get the sole and decks in, it'll shrink back down to a more reasonable size. In the meantime, you've got to build yourself back up to sole level...Have fun! I said it before, but that paint job looks great!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:31 am
by Fonda@kauai
Took the weekend off to relax, then got the sudden urge this evening to take out the temporary frames. Here's the naked inside
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Sorry the pics are a little blurry. It's getting dark and when I took pics with the flash you couldn't see anything. Everytime I look at it my mind is blown, I'm actually building this boat :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:34 pm
by BassMunn
Hey Fonda, you're doing some real nice work on that boat. You're gonna have the Wahoo and Dorado swimming around that boat trying to check themselves out :D No need for a flasher rig there

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:02 pm
by cape man
Awesome. Was torn between the Panga and the OD and now I get to watch a Panga being built...and built well. Beautiful.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:49 pm
by saltponder
Fonda,
Boat is shaping up great. Have you thought about fiberglassing a foot/hand hold or two on the transom? That way you could climb into the boat without a dive ladder. A buddy did that on an old Seacraft. First step was the cavitation plate, then up and over the transom using one glassed in foothold at the waterline.
gil

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx for the compliments guys :D I actually have been thinking about making a small "swim step" on each side of the transom, weird that you mention it Gil :lol: I was thinking maybe only 12" or so wide and 6-8" deep on each side of the transom, so it looks symmetrical. I know I could make something strong enough out of marine ply and glass to be rock solid, but how do you guys think it would look?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Let's change islands? you get my build I get your's? 8) 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:07 am
by Fonda@kauai
Ha! I LOVE the CS line of boats but that thing is huge :help: On second thought you're further along than I am..... always wanted to go to curacao :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:41 am
by Murry
Great job bro :!:

I love that boat. Glad the flip went so well.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:34 pm
by saltponder
Fonda,
The deeper you make it, the more likely to break because of leverage. 3-4" deep with non-skid surface would be deep enough, IMO. If painted the same color as the transom, I don't know if I'd worry about one on the other side for symmetry, although one on each side would be more convenient. For structural support, a brace midpoint would work, but glassing might be tricky compared with just a shallow "ledge".
Gil

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:47 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I was thinking glue the ledge to the transom, then tab it to the hull on the top and underneath the ledge with 2 layers of biax tape. Then put 2 triangular braces under the ledge, near the ends, and tab those to the hull and ledge with double biax. Still pondering.......and now that I think about it you're right Gil, I think a 3-4" ledge would look better too.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 12:20 pm
by bwd3
..or you could saw a triangular block from a piece of 4x4, slap glue on the back surface, +/- a layer of glass over to seal it, if you don't mind a few more ounces. But if you still really like tabbing and fillets, plywood is the way to go....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:08 am
by TomW
Fonda have'nt heard from you for a couple of weeks hope all is well and your off fishing and diving! :D We have a new board member there in Hawaii and if you don't mind would you activate your e-mail so he can get in touch with you on how you did things. Best to you! and keep us up to date fishing or boat building! :lol:

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:42 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha Tom,
Yeah I've been off of boat building for a few weeks :( After I got her flipped, I sanded down all the little spots where some fillet mix oozed through the seams during stitching. So I was all ready to start filleting and glassing the inside, opened up the EZfillet and realized it's pretty much gone 8O So I called and ordered a 1 and a half gallon kit that morning and am waiting for it to arrive. It's not all bad though, I've been able to catch up on a bunch of things around the house I've been neglecting and crank out some work and make some money. And I've been fishing and diving like crazy too. I also ran 2 strings criss crossed from frame "A" to the corners of the transom and guess what, no twist :D the strings barely touch each other, which is how it's supposed to be I think. Any way the EZfillet should be here in a week or so, so I'll be on it when it shows up. Now let's see if I can activate my email link.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:14 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I got my EZfillet a few days ago so I'm back in the saddle again :D I ordered a gallon and a half so I should have enough to finish. Glassed the interior yesterday all by myself. All wet on wet. Damn near killed me, what a day. I had a friend lined up but that fell through at the last minute. So here's a few pics of where I'm at:
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Once the epoxy had set but was still "green" and soft, I buzzed off the stitching on the biax with the RO sander, vacuumed it up, then filled the weave where the stringers and frames will go with EZfillet (wood flour). I know that's not what it's for, but I ordered a ton extra and I wanted to be able to bond the stringers and frames to a strong surface on the hull, without having to sand into the glass to get a good mechanical bond. So next stop is stringers. I may start on em today but most likely tomorrow. Aloha.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:17 am
by Fonda@kauai
Quick update: stringers are tacked in place and ready for filets and glass. You can see in the pics I scuffed up where the stringers sit with 50 grit sandpaper. After reading about the troubles Bushmaster had with his stringers not being level, I double checked and sure enough had to remove about an 1/8" off the back of the stringers due to glass build up at the transom. After that I pre coated the bottom of the stringers with epoxy, then set them in the hull with a few frames to hold them in place. I also went ahead and put some thin shims under the stringers in a few spots to keep from having hard spots. The closest they come to the hull is about a 1/16" . After that I used one of the refillable caulk tubes sold by Joel to shoot EZfillet under the stringers and tack them in place. So tomorrow I can remove the shims and frames holding the stringers in place and fillet and glass em. You can also see my guidelines on the stringers for my overlaps when I glass.
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:05 am
by chicagoross
Looking good, Fonda! Have you built yourself a staircase yet now that you're climbing in-and-out, in-and-out of the boat all the time? :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:23 am
by Fonda@kauai
:lol: I climb in and out of the motorwell with a small stepladder.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:56 pm
by Fonda@kauai
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Stringers are in :D The level looks all crazy in the second pic, not sure why :doh: It's level though. I used poor mans peelply on the laminations, it sure does make em come out nice!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:41 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Frames "D", "E", and "F" are glassed in:
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Two realisations I've come to: If I had done what I originally intended and beefed up the lamination schedule, it would have been waayyy overkill. With all the overlaps and glass in there, this thing's strong as a fricken tank 8O And second, someone said that each little piece you glass in makes the boat stiffer and stiffer. Ain't that the truth :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:30 pm
by peter-curacao
Your doing a nice job Fonda Image did you also have to put in 3 layers staggered tape on the stringers and frames ? Cant make that up out of the pic's

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:11 am
by Fonda@kauai
Nope only 2 overlapping layers. Yours called for 3? Man that's gonna be crazy strong 8O

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:07 pm
by BassMunn
Fonda coming along nicely.
If you thinks it's strong now, wait until the cleats and sole go in 8O
No fibreglass boat I have ever been in is as hard as my boat has become, you just don't want to fall in it.
Pretty amazing considering the weight of the boats

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:27 pm
by peter-curacao
Fonda@kauai wrote: Yours called for 3? Man that's gonna be crazy strong 8O
Yep at that area mine will have a total of 7 layers 45/45 12 oz biax 8O (inside and out), at the keel it will be 14 layers 8O

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Frame "C" all glassed in:
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I do each frame wet on wet so I only do one at a time. Frame "B" is just set in place and trimmed, not tacked in yet. That'll be this weekend. I also decided to router the inside edges of the frames that will be exposed, much easier now than after they're glassed in :idea:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:47 am
by cape man
I also decided to router the inside edges of the frames that will be exposed, much easier now than after they're glassed in

Good move!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:44 pm
by Murry
Nice looking work!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:11 pm
by peter-curacao
Nice and clean looking FondaImage

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:32 am
by saltponder
Fonda,
How much EZfillet will it take to complete the inside?
Gil

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:02 pm
by Fonda@kauai
If you're out of EZfillet I'd go with the 1.5 gallon kit. My kit came with a 1.5 quart kit of EZfillet and that was pretty much gone by the time I filled all the seams after stitching and filled the big wedge space between the sides and transom, and bottom and transom. I can say for an absolute certainty that there is no way this boat can be built with the amount of EZfillet that comes in the kit. I ordered an additional 1.5 gallon kit and that's gonna finish everything below the sole and then some, but I might still need to order more. I did a pretty fat fillet in the bow section and on the stringers so that used a little extra but I used a popsicle stick for all the frame fillets. I still have plenty of laminating resin though :doh: I have a feeling that a lot of the epoxy people use goes into glue and fillets. Anyway good to hear you're back at it Gil :D I need to post some progress pics myself. Everything below the sole has 3 coats and I've started installing the miles of cleats.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:36 am
by cape man
I still have plenty of laminating resin though I have a feeling that a lot of the epoxy people use goes into glue and fillets.
BINGO!!!! The plans for my build called for just glueing the stringers down but I decided to tape them which meant building fillets. Granted they were the first I had ever done and I used more than I would today, but I was shocked to see how much epoxy it took to make 4, 16' long fillets!! :help: After that I watched another huge slug go into the biax tape!

Did not use the EZ fillet but did go through a LOT more epoxy than the plans specified (3X). Everytime you add tape where it isn't called for, or build a deck where one isn't specified, or add a bulkhead to compartments adds up. Had some waste, like the time I mixed two hardners with no epoxy :oops: , but it was the added extras that really soaked it up. Would be intrested in the economics of EZ Fillet vs epoxy mixed with a filler.

Any pictures?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:42 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I was shocked to see how much epoxy it took to make 4, 16' long fillets!!
So true! I still have more than a third of my laminating resin left and all the major glasswork is done. I think I got a pretty high glass/resin ratio, better than 50% for sure. But man these boats eat fillet like crazy :help: I'm on Oahu until saturday for my contractors license so I'll post some pics when I get back to kauai. Aloha :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:17 am
by cape man
Good luck with the license!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:14 pm
by saltponder
Fonda,
What is the overall length of your cradle?
Gil

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:57 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Overall length is about 20'. 2x6's flat under the stringers from the transom to "E", so 9 feet. After that I have a support every foot and a half till frame "B" then a small support at the bow. I built it like a ladder with the cross pieces at the frames and in between each frame. If you build it upside down on the hull it will be form fitting and make everything easy. When I set mine in it's cradle and ran the criss-cross strings to check for twist it was perfect, probably because the cradle held it so secure.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:59 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Wow, been a while since I updated this thing :!: Here's what I've been up to:
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Bow eye holes over drilled, filled and re-drilled.
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Frames "A", "B", and "C" glassed in and cleatwork started. I went with 1x2 cleats for more betterness and everything below the sole now has at least 2 coats of epoxy and in most cases 3.
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Some more cleat work between "B" and "C". I still need to do the cleats against the hull.
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Motorwell bulkhead and sides glassed in and coated.
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Motorwell.
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And lastly I wanted to include this picture to encourage my fellow builders to use poor man's peel ply. Every time I do a lamination I cut a 6" strip, lay it over the glass and squeegee out the air. Not only does it make the laminations cleaner and much easier to sand, but I get the feeling it makes them stronger as well. It pushes the glass down through the resin instead of letting it float on top and the glass can't lift and let air bubbles into the lamination. So that's all for now. Baby steps :D Passed my contractor test too btw :D (c37: plumbing contractor).

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:30 pm
by cape man
Fonda you've been busy!

Is that a shoot thru hull fixture on the upper left?

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Rock solid man. She'll be strong, very strong.

And congrats on the license!! Gotta feel good.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:55 am
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Craig, it feels great to be done with all the licensing stuff :D Yeah the white circle is a pure glass plug 4" in diameter through the hull for the transducer. I was originally gonna go with a shoot through job, but a friend of mine is trying to talk me into a through hull one. It's considered "flush" mount and stands about a 1/16" proud of the hull so there's not a lot of area to hit something and break off. It's a 600 watt x-ducer for a furuno fcv620 sounder. He has one on his Force21 and it's pretty slick.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:54 am
by cape man
How big is the hole through the hull? Haven't seen one that is that flush. Is the advantage that you get water temp? That's the only drawback I can find between the two methods. My shoot thru set up will not give me water temp but it is relatively unimportant in most of my near shore adventures.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:17 am
by TomW
Congrats on passing the test, that has to be a big weight off your chest. The boat is moving along and looking good.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:14 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Tom, what a relief to have that monkey off my back. Craig the transducer goes through a hole that's probably between 1.5" to 2", not sure exactly as I've only seen it once in person. You get the temp, but also a lot of the commercial guys swear you get more definition when looking for bait at the FADs. I guess you lose some shooting through the hull? :doh: Anyway probably not real important unless you want to see individual bait fish :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:40 pm
by peter-curacao
Fonda@kauai wrote: but also a lot of the commercial guys swear you get more definition when looking for bait at the FADs. I guess you lose some shooting through the hull? :doh:
Depends I think :doh: for example put this puppy in Imagedon't think that sheet of ply and glass will bother his 3 KW, don't stay to long in one place dough, because you will fry the fish! not good without chips :lol: your build is coming along great! very nice can't wait to see it splashed 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:51 pm
by cape man
I've had similar comments made by others but in all my research can't find where it plays out if you shoot through something solid like epoxy with glass fibers. Small amounts of air screw it up so you can't go through wood or a lot of laminated fiberglass hulls. Guess I will find out, but what I will need to see more than anything is the edge of the shipping channel in Tampa Bay...that's where the grouper and snapper hang out.

Your transducer sounds great with that low profile and does eliminate a lot of the concern I have always had of knocking them off. Just noticed you had set it up for a shoot thru hull.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:00 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Small amounts of air screw it up so you can't go through wood or a lot of laminated fiberglass hulls. .
Maybe a stupid question but aren't there air bubbles under the hull in the water while cruising through it ?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:18 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Now that's a transducer :lol: Yeah I don't think it would make a difference either, as long as the transducer is bonded solidly to the glass with no bubbles. The fisherman over here are big on tradition, if their dad did it a certain way, that's how they're gonna do it :roll: So that's probably why theres some prejudice against the shoot-thru kind. And Peter, I'm not sure but I think the surface tension of the water kind of "sticks" to the hull so there's no bubbles. The only place you'd get bubbles is behind something disrupting the waterflow, like behind a skeg. Let me see if I can find a link to the transducer.......
http://www.airmartechnology.com/airmar2 ... &PageNo=65
That should be it. It says 3/16" but my friend held a ruler to his and it was more like 1/16"

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:39 pm
by cape man
Bubbles can travel under a boat when it hits a wave and traps the air under it, but you will get interference from those no matter what transducer you have. You can get bubbles off the back of a skeg or other protrubance as the water decompressess but again, those will interfere with any type transducer located behind it (that's why we mount them off to the side of the center line). Transom mounted transducers usually will not give a good picture while running because the hull itself sends bubbles out the back as the water decompresses. A thru hull or shoot through hull installation improves your chances of not having this problem as the transducer is forward of the transom.

Checked out the price on yours! Cost almost as much as my whole GPS/Fishfinder with transducer. Glad you passed your plumbing exam! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:01 pm
by peter-curacao
again learned something today from this site 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:46 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I'm actually going with the bronze one, not the SS one, so it's cheaper. But still :help:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:04 pm
by peter-curacao
The one I showed needs to be placed in a bath of anti freeze, maybe that's to eliminate the airbubbles ? it says fiberglasshuls only, does this mean no metal huls or doesn't wood composite work either? sorry for this hijack Fonda bit it looks like you and Cape Man know this stuff

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:57 pm
by cape man
Fonda will kick us off the topic when he starts posting pics of him working on his boat :lol:

The air in wood messes them up, as does fiberglass hulls with foam cores or non-solid lamination (more of that out there than you think).The antifreeze is a thick fluid that wont have air in it, is non-corrosive, and won't slosh around as much as water. I've seen recommendations for using mineral oil instead. I am going to do like Larry and epoxy mine directly to the floor over the hole I filled. Learned more about transducers here than I ever knew, as when you are completely in charge of putting one of these boats together you start asking questions and reading stuff that before I just blew off. The shoot thru hulls are also not recommend for big alluminum boats as the thickness starts interfering with them.

The actual guts are the same no matter the type of mounting. My unit came with the standard transom mount but it will work just fine as a shoot thru hull. They want $50 more to switch it for a smaller, round, shoot thru hull transducer :x :x :x The shape is not perfect for the 3" hole I filled with epoxy, so before I permanently epoxy it down, I'll put it in a plastic bag full of water and position it over the hole to see where I get a clean picture of the bottom. They say the actual transducer is towards the back of the unit. I would imagine with your fishing (and Fonda's...hey Fonda... Peter and I are talking here...kick us off by posting a pic of something you did on the boat... :lol: :lol: ) you will want a thru hull transducer that also will give you temperature. A lot of pelagic fish will be hanging right along those temperature lines around an upwelling or current...

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:16 pm
by Fonda@kauai
No hijack, discuss as needed 8) Between mineral oil and epoxy I would also go with the epoxy. Once it's installed you're gauranteed no air in there. Craig is right Peter, for pelagics I want to see where the temperature breaks are in the water. Important for regular fishing or diving.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:12 am
by steve292
You can use olive oil as an alternative to mineral oil. I have a friend who does it this way, as when it comes to the winter & he empties the stuff out, he soaks it up with bread & feeds it to the birds. :D
Steve

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:56 pm
by Murry
Congradulations on the license Fonda.

Boats looking great man. Keep it up.

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:18 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Been busy wrapping up everything under the sole:
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As you can see the chase tubes aren't totally done, so I'll give you the low down on those when they're finished. Most of the cleats are in except the ones that go against the hull and some on the side frames. I'm also gonna put 1" backing under the sole In a few key areas in case I go with the T-top. That give a total of 1-1/2" of meat for the screws to grab. Also realized that I started the boat october 2nd of last year so it's officially a year old. Happy birthday panga :D Time to order some pour foam :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:32 am
by Murry
Happy Birthday Panga :!: :D

Murry's gf16 turns one at this end of this month.

Looking good Fonda. I'm very excited about seeing this one come together. I really like the pangas :D, and
you're doing a great job with yours.

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:36 am
by Cracker Larry
Nice work Fonda, that looks great 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:58 am
by peter-curacao
8) Very clean work 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:49 pm
by cape man
Congratulations on passing you plumber's exam :lol: :lol: Looking good Bro!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:59 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Update: Ordered my pour foam and some more gel magic :D It'll take at least 4 weeks to get here so in the meantime I've been keeping busy. A pic of 2 chase tubes coming into the motorwell-
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the 1-1/2" on the right is for the fuel line from the tank, and the 1" on the left is for thr transducer and bilge wires going to the console. I sanded the bends, then filleted them on both sides of the frame they're passing through. I don't expect any water in my bilge ever because it's gonna be flush deck, but better safe than sorry :wink: Then I gave the bilge 3 coats of tinted epoxy and cut out the motorwell bottom-
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I need to fill some spaces with pour foam before I coat and glue that down, so it's just sitting there for now. Also I pre-drilled and filled for my engine bolts. Should make for a quick job when I borrow the template from my dealer. I plan on drilling all holes before I paint, I hate touch up.
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I also drilled, filled, and re-drilled both of my transom eyes. Here's one of em.
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Got the sole cut out and setting in place:
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I'll give the bottoms 3 coats and glue on my blocking for a t-top before my foam arrives. Here's the fuel compartment with the 1-1/2" that runs to the motorwell for the fuel line and a 3/4" chase to the console for the fuel sender wire.
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And lastly, here's the 1" chase going to the bow compartment for nav and under gunnel LED's (thanks for the link Craig!)
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I carried the chase up so high to protect the wiring from anchors or sharp stuff banging around in there :!: It's filleted in place for now, but I'll probably throw some glass on it later. Should be nice and hidden behind that frame :D Oh and here's the chase tubes coming through the sole:
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two 2" chases to starboard locker for steering/elctrical, a 1" to the bilge and a 1" to the bow for electrical, a 3/4" from the fuel to console for sender, and a 1-1/2" from the tank to the motorwell for fuel. Did I miss anything? Sorry for the small pics, flickr is giving me trouble :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:52 pm
by Joe H
Fonda,
Very nice, clean build, hope to be where you at someday soon!

Thanks
Joe H

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:50 am
by cape man
Fonda, Looking very good. Glad I didn't have to wait a month for supplies to arrive. That would drive me nuts when the BBV was kicking in hard.

One suggestion is run your transducer line first through that 1". I have a 1.5" going to the bilge for wires. Ran the anchor light, bilge pump, bait well, and bait well light wires before the transducer line...Had to pull several back out to get the plug end of the transducer line through. I used drain pipe with sweep 90's. Not as smooth as your electrical conduit but depending on your depth finder the plug may give you some trouble unless you have a clean 1" pipe to go through.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:08 pm
by BassMunn
Hey Fonda boats coming along nicely.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:53 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Man, it's hard to keep a thread on page 1 around here. Lots of builds going on 8) I got my foam in so I'm back at it. Here's a pic of the hull foamed.
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Got to be one of the funnest parts of the build :D After it cured for a few days I recessed the areas where the butt blocks between the panels will be , and also where the T-top backing will be. I layed them in the recess to make sure they fit before gluing them to the bottom of the sole. The butt blocks are 1/2" and the T-top backing is 1", so I'll have an 1-1/2" with the sole to screw down the T-top.
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The sole panels are cut out, coated, and sanded. I'll give em a second coat just before I glue them down. I also measured out the decks onto some 1/8" board and cut them out as a test to see if they fit. Perfect fit :D
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So then I went ahead and used them as a template to trace and cut out the real ones. Pretty easy. I still have some areas to foam in the motorwell and bow, so I'll post pics when I do that. I'm hoping to get the sole glued down tomorrow since I'm leaving thursday for oahu for a week then kona for a few days, but we'll see. Over and out.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:21 am
by cape man
Got to be one of the funnest parts of the build
I agree! :D :D Not only is it fun, but a milestone as well. You will never see the bottom of that boat again!! Good idea on clearing out the foam at that point for the butt blocks and backing plates. That T-top should be solid as heck.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:52 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Sole is glued down :D Here's a few pics with the blocking glued to the bottom of the panels, and one of the sole all screwed down. I'm gonna have a lot of screw holes to fill.
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After I gave the bottom panels their second coat I waited about 2 hours for the epoxy to gel, then put glue on the cleats with a notched spreader and glued them down wet on wet. I also filled the gaps between the hull sides and panels with EZ fillet, but haven't snapped a pic yet.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:41 am
by cape man
Curious why all the screws instead of weighting it down evenly and letting the glue do it's thing?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:59 am
by Fonda@kauai
By the time I was ready to glue the panels down, they had developed a little curve. That and I didn't have enough weights around to do the job, so I figured I'd lightly screw them down just to make sure I had a good bond. I was worried I would have an unglued spot and from what I can tell the sole is very structural. Feels pretty good to be able to walk in there :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:05 am
by cape man
10-4. Make sure to seal those holes well. Know you will :D Feels fantastic doesn't it?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:22 pm
by cape man
Holidays are over! Where's the pics?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:22 am
by wegcagle
Alright Fonda, where are the pics????

Don't make me come over there :lol:

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:00 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Whew, I've been away awhile 8O Let's start at the bow and work our way astern:
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This is the bow locker. Bottom is installed, ready to be sanded, filleted and glassed. All compartments from here on out are foamed underneath 8) just forgot to get pics :oops:
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Locker between "A" and "B" under the casting deck. Needs to be sanded, filleted, glassed, faired, and coated with pigmented epoxy.
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Fuel compartment between "B" and "C". Same as other locker, but also need to fillet and glass around chase tubes.
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Sole filleted and glassed in with biax tape. Notice how clean poor man's peel ply makes the laminations :!:
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Looking toward the stern. Still gotta seal around the chase tubes. Notice the rough-cut holes for the scuppers. I cut the glass at the edge of the holes and layed it flat into the next compartment. Make sense ?
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The bilge area. You can see the scupper holes exiting the transom. I also cut the glass at the edge of the holes and let it cover the bottom of the transom hole.
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Port stern locker ready to be sanded, filleted, glassed, faired, and pigmeted.
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Starboard stern locker same as port locker. Already sealed around steering and electrical chases, but I'm gonna fillet and tape them as well (don't want any water getting in there :!: )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:08 am
by cape man
Lookin' good man! I knew you weren't sitting idle.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:45 pm
by wegcagle
Looks Great. Glad to see you back at it.

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:49 pm
by peter-curacao
This is such a clean build, very cool looks great Image

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
So here's the scuppers I've been working on. Used the same method as Peter, laminated some ply, cut the angle, and routed the edges. They're at sole level and I decided to make them rectangular, that way it's a little easier to make "plugs" for the inside when the water's nice and they're not needed. They will have Sea Block scupper flaps, which I measured on a friends boat, so the opening and the shim is the right size. You start with a clean slate, like so:
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Then install the sides and shims on the back. Glass areas like the transom core or anywhere that doesn't have 3/8" ply covering it.
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Give everything a light fairing.
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At this point everything is covered either with glass or 3/8" ply, so even a gnarly scratch won't let water into the ply core.
Give everything a few coats of tinted epoxy, including the "lids"
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Then we mask off all our hard work. (Masked of the lids but didn't get a pic).
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Sand everything that needs sanding, and pre-coat anywhere that needs coating. Then glue the lids in place. I used a long skinny dowel to reach in and make a fillet where the glue oozed into the tube at the lid joint, then pulled out the masking (easier said than done! )
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I filled the precoated voids around the tubes with fillet mix. Once everything cures I'll clean up and fair the shims, and probably end up carrying the paint about 1/16" into each end. Here's looking from the cockpit and transom.
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And I've got a lot done on other areas, but nothing that's picture worthy yet :D
edit: some of the angles look weird, but it's the camera. Everythings level and square :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:14 pm
by colonialc19
Great looking work Fonda, those suppers should handle just about anything you could throw at them.

Very nice 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:02 am
by Murry
I like that alot.

Between you and Peter I should be able to come up with something oneday. :D

Nice clean work Fonda :!:

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:46 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanx guys :D Been working on my hatches a little, here's what I got:
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This is the locker between "A" and "B". Sanded it, lightly faired it, then put on the first of three pigmented coats:
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I'm working on the casting deck hatch and stern lockers this weekend so I should have some more updates soon :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:11 pm
by cape man
Wondered where you were. Looking good!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:41 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Wondered where you were.
Me too :lol: I've never worked so hard, made so much money, or hated life so much as I have this past month :help: Something wrong there :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:45 pm
by cape man
Be careful what you wish for?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:31 pm
by Fonda@kauai
All that glitters isn't gold, and you can always get more money, but you can't get more time. :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:44 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Got to spend a little time with the mistress this weekend. Got the rod holders in the frames all figured out, cut and routed. Here's the starboard side. "D" is glassed in, "E" and "F" were just glued when the pic was taken:
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They're now glassed in and curing as I type. Here's the rod holder configuration:
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The decks are cut out, so I threw them up real quick just to see what they look like. I cut them an inch wider than per plan so I have some leeway in trimming them to get a tight fit. Looks like a boat 8) Plenty of room in the cockpit.
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Also got the casting deck cut out, and the backing for the hatch and hatch lid are installed. Sitting in place:
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The forward hatch has 3 coats of tinted epoxy. Good enough for me:
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Quality assurance inspector:
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Also ordered my fuel tank and a ton of hardware :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:09 am
by johnymarlin
the boats coming together well, looking great, love the little green inspector
john

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:14 am
by sitandfish
Looks like the quality boat building continues. That's going to be a great boat. Your lizard is the only green thing in the boat building tent. Can't figure out why he didn't turn brown? :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:53 am
by cape man
How wide are those? I would trim as little as possible and still attach them to the frames with an inwale. You still have plenty of clearance to the deck from above (i.e. it appears they do not extend beyond the sole's edge), and a wide gunwale is nice when mounting hardware and later when looking for a seat. Really looking nice.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:03 pm
by Fonda@kauai
About 8-1/2" right now, but once I trim them for a perfect fit they'll be around 8-1/4" or so. I really like wide gunnels too, as long as they aren't taking up cockpit space. Could've almost gone wider. Oh well :D That is funny the lizard didn't change color :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:52 pm
by SalmonMan
The lizard was green with envy! Very nice build Fonda!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:44 pm
by D2Maine
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:58 pm
by cape man
That is funny the lizard didn't change color
From the animal planet web page:
Green Anoles have the ability to change color among shades of green and brown. These color changes are not used for camouflage; they are used to reflect stress or to communicate. For example, a content Green Anole is green. When active, they tend to be bright green. When they are cold or displaying social subordinance, they will turn brown. When aggressive, they will be bright green with a dark brown patch behind the eyes.
That male Anole walking the gunwale is just happy to have his pic taken in such a fine vessel. No worries here mon 8) 8)

(Sorry I'm such a geek sometimes... :roll: :roll: )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:52 pm
by Fonda@kauai
:lol: No worries, I love animal planet. Did you see the Planet Earth series? Mind blowing. Especially the birds of paradise. They're absolutely unreal 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:14 pm
by sitandfish
Fonda@kauai wrote::lol: No worries, I love animal planet. Did you see the Planet Earth series? Mind blowing. Especially the birds of paradise. They're absolutely unreal 8)
That's my whole reason for boating. To be out there in the middle of all that. The near and inshore stuff is SO spectacular to me.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:13 am
by Murry
Great job Fonda!

Your boat is looking mighty fine Sir :!:

Looking forward to seeing her as you progress,

Daniel

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:01 pm
by steve292
I'm a fan of wide gunnels as well, gives me somewhere to plonk my fat a**** :D
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Steve

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:37 pm
by Cracker Larry
Wished I had made mine wider than I did.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:28 pm
by Larry B
steve292 wrote:I'm a fan of wide gunnels as well, gives me somewhere to plonk my fat a**** :D
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Steve
Steve, how wide are your gunnels? I'm making mine wider than CL, but only because he recommended it because I didn't know??? :doh: :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:09 am
by TomW
Larry the C17 calls for roughly 8" but I think I'm going to make them 7" but no smaller. I've got a big ass! :lol: I also don't want to be leaning out to far when my legs make contact with the inwale. I guess I'll know when I get to that point in a few months.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:32 am
by steve292
Larry B wrote:Steve, how wide are your gunnels? I'm making mine wider than CL, but only because he recommended it because I didn't know??? :doh: :doh:
I can't quite remember :help: ...... I'll measure them in a bit & let you know.
Steve

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:54 am
by Larry B
TomW wrote:I've got a big ass! :lol:

Tom
Seems to be a problem a few of us here have :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:32 am
by Cracker Larry
I got no ass at all :oops:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:56 am
by steve292
Larry,
The gunwhale on mine is 270mm(about 10 1/8") tapering to 165(6 5/8")
Sorry for the hijack Fonda :D
Steve

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:01 am
by Fonda@kauai
No worries :D I also have a skinny ass, but I still want to sit on a wide gunnel 8) I put a level on the gunnels today, and with the coaming they'll stick into the cockpit space 1/2". I would probably go wider if they didn't. I like the concept of hitting the gunnels before your feet hit the sides :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:03 am
by tech_support
Fonda@kauai wrote: I would probably go wider if they didn't. I like the concept of hitting the gunnels before your feet hit the sides :!:
It gives you some leverage when leaning over. Ever tried to gaff a fish or pull up a trap over a rolled edge boat (no gunnel)? Its tough, even for strong backs. My FS17 for instance, would be a terrible set up for offshore fishing.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:24 am
by Tractorshaft
Fonda,

Between last night and this morning I was able to read your build thread up till today!~ Super nice work! I too am a bit "OCD" when it comes to building something, I obsess over little details that are unimportant to others but tending to them properly gives me great pleasure.

Fantastic in every detail, you must be proud and anxious to "Give Birth" 8O Did I miss it or have you not mentioned yet what you are going to use for power? I am poised to spring for the plans this afternoon but remain undecided on the 22 or the 25. A couple of the guys have encouraged the 25 because of the relatively small expense in materials to build it, but my old Blue Banana was only about 18-19' and just about perfect in every way for what I did.

I am going to save the "Nuggets" I found in this thread, I am sure they will be of great value in the coming months! Can you give me any "If I had to do it again" moments?

EG: I especially liked how you fitted the cradle into the strongback for the "Flip", Take a bow, no pun intended :idea:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:07 am
by Cracker Larry
but remain undecided on the 22 or the 25. A couple of the guys have encouraged the 25 because of the relatively small expense in materials to build it, but my old Blue Banana was only about 18-19' and just about perfect in every way for what I did.
The pangas are very small boats for their size, relatively speaking. If you've got the build space and a little more in the budget, I'd build the 25 :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:50 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Tractorshaft :D I can't say I have any "wish I woulda.." things yet, but that might changed once she's launched and I use her for a while. Being OCD about stuff can be a good thing, and my advice is to take your time on each aspect and make sure everything is straight, smooth, and square. It's much easier and rewarding to do it right the first time, than to try and fix it later with fairing compound. A good example is something like the strongback. It doesn't have to be straight and square for the jig to be straight and square, but if you take the time to make even the small things straight and true, it usually pays dividends in the end at some point. Also, although some people hate poorman's peel ply and don't get good results with it, it's been one of the best things I've used on the build and if you can get it to work for you, I highly recommend it. Makes for very clean laminations. And like Larry said, if you have the room and extra money, I would go ahead and build the 25. Personally, I only have room for the 22, and it's kinda just the right size for me anyway :D Good luck and ask lots of questions :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:23 pm
by Tractorshaft
Fonda@kauai wrote:Thanks Tractorshaft :D I can't say I have any "wish I woulda.." things yet, but that might changed once she's launched and I use her for a while. Being OCD about stuff can be a good thing, and my advice is to take your time on each aspect and make sure everything is straight, smooth, and square. It's much easier and rewarding to do it right the first time, than to try and fix it later with fairing compound. A good example is something like the strongback. It doesn't have to be straight and square for the jig to be straight and square, but if you take the time to make even the small things straight and true, it usually pays dividends in the end at some point. Also, although some people hate poorman's peel ply and don't get good results with it, it's been one of the best things I've used on the build and if you can get it to work for you, I highly recommend it. Makes for very clean laminations. And like Larry said, if you have the room and extra money, I would go ahead and build the 25. Personally, I only have room for the 22, and it's kinda just the right size for me anyway :D Good luck and ask lots of questions :D
Hi Fonda,

Nice hearing from you! I am a "Fan" of the peel ply techniques discussed here and outside the forum. I have long used the technique, I happened on it and sorta learned it from playing with West System epoxy in some restoration work.

As a bonus for ya, I often use the widest clear packing tape you can buy at Staples for the same purpose as the skinning technique mentioned. Its especially handy because of the adhesive in the tape seems to have absolutely no effect on the epoxy and will stick on epoxy free or dried surfaces that may be at the "end" of the tape.

I was using the clear tape to prevent "Sagging" and to sort of build dams with and noticed what a great surface it left when it was removed! Smooth as glass! Often when filling low spots, small voids or any other "Touch-Up" kind of work , especially if there are dry areas on either side of the area this tape is simply fantastic, overload the void , stick about an inch of tape down on one side and use your drywall knife or bondo spreader to smooth the tape down over the blob of epoxy , continue on and stick the bitter end down on the other side. thats it, its usually a one-shot fix with only minor feathering required at the edges of the flowed out epoxy. You can stick multiple layers of tape on top of each other to create a wider piece if needed.

Here is another indispensable item I keep around the shop when gluing or glassing, decks of the cheapest playing cards I can buy. I use them as small very flexible spreaders if you cut them with pinking shears across the top, it gives you a perfect saw tooth shape. They also work very well as thin scrapers you can easily cut to any shape needed. They remain stiff and dont absorb epoxy so you can continually wipe the edge off into a container as needed. I will cut a sharp edge to scrape wood glue out of corners when it squeezes out and is easily cleaned up. Mini-mixing board for small amounts of adhesive, surprisingly stiff scraper when you simply curl one end of it between your fingers and use the opposing flat to scrape with. Drill a single hole of varying sizes into each corner of a whole deck you havent taken out of the pack yet and addition to the aforementioned uses you have 52 great disposable covers for "Spotting" holes or dumping stuff into a specific hole size , normally size 8 and 10 screw countersinks without messing up the surrounding area. You get the idea, great little coated disposable widgets around the shop.

I have peel ply, I use it for vacuum bagging, I don't like the texture it leaves behind, I simply buy Mylar from the local hobby shops in 3' rolls, they use it to cover model airplane wings. I think it has been referred to as Polyethylene film?

I have band sawed unopened decks in half as well as into a tongue depressor shape (rounded ends) to use as fillet smoothers, again, surprising stiff when you cup it a little in your hand as you pull or push it along.

I am gearing up for materials for my boathouse greenhouse project, hopefully the weather will be nice next weekend and I can start building it. The winters here are harsh so I have to kinda "overbuild" it, pull temp power line from my fusebox and maybe a gas line too for heat.

Its getting late here, keep up the good work! I will check in on your progress soon!

Jerry

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:14 am
by Fonda@kauai
It's been way too long. Got a bunch of hardware in:
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Some hatch hardware for the console:
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Inspection port for the fuel cell. 12"hatch:
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Bilge faired:
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Bilge tinted and Racor installed. I glued a block to the bulkhead where the Racor sits to give the mounting screws some depth:

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Fuel hose run. Hose is A1:
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Underside of bilge lid, with cut out for Bomar access hatch (which I have) and some stiffeners:
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Bilge lid glued down, ready for glass:
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I have a lot more done, but I haven't taken pics yet, so that'll be in the next few days :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:03 am
by cape man
Was just getting ready to bump your thread to see what you have been up to . All good clean work. They're proud of that A1 hose aren't they? You're definitely into the fun stuff now.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:48 am
by Fonda@kauai
Just a few updates.... Fuel tank is installed. I used the Pascoe method, but I also overdrilled and filled some holes in the deck and mounted the tank down with the factory mounting tabs and some stainless screws. Rock solid 8) The Pascoe method would probably be enough, but I tend to agree with those who don't muck about when it comes to important stuff (thanx CL :D )
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Added some stiffeners under that wide span....
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Cut outs for the shark eye lights. Every screw hole will be overdrilled and filled. It's an obsession :help:
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The rear cleats will be mounted to the motorwell bulkhead with some hawse pipes thru the decks. Here's the holes and the backing on the other side:
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The hole for steering/throttle cables and backing for the boot screws:
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And the casting deck glued down, routed and ready for glass :D
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The beauty is that everything is accessible from that round hatch if anything ever goes wrong. Knock on marine ply... Glassed in the motorwell also but didn't get a pic yet. Aloha.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:34 am
by sideslippa
Hey Mate! That is looking good, very nice tidy work, good to see... I too overdrill and fill every hole (coreplug) We don't want any water to get in, ever! hey!

Seeya Mate. Steve.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:05 am
by cape man
NIce install. Getting closer...

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:15 pm
by Boater45
Looks GREAT!!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:11 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Casting deck is glassed in. Any surface that's not covered by the 12 oz. tape has 4 oz. cloth for abrasion resistance, including inside the bow locker ( in case I throw anything hard/sharp in there):
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Bow locker taped and covered with 4 oz. cloth. I also put a layer of tape over the bow eye backing. Ready for fairing in there:
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I also went a little crazy and glassed the exposed edges of all the frames. They seem like they'll get abused a lot being exposed so I wanted some extra protection:
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:17 pm
by gstanfield
Good idea to glass the edges. It seems to me like the edges would be the first place to get the epoxy scrubbed off and then start soaking up water and delaminate. Your boat is looking great so far, I can't wait to see it splashed.

George

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:21 pm
by cape man
Can you say mine sweeper! She will be tough as nails for sure. Watch your weight. Would hate to see those scuppers running the wrong way :help: :help:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:03 am
by Fonda@kauai
Yeah, it seems like that edge will get hit a lot, knowing me. I Like where your heads at Craig, I pondered adding the extra cloth for a while myself. I hope it's not too heavy. I still have a gallon and a half of laminating resin, so I'm still not over the BOM with epoxy. I figure all the extra cloth will add around 10 pounds? I'm obviously totally guessing on that, but it's hard to imagine it adding a ton of weight. I think I'm getting a very high glass to resin ratio, hence the gallon and a half of resin left. Do you really think it will add too much weight? :help:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:17 am
by cape man
If you have a gallon and a half of resin left at this point you will be fine unless you start building everything else out of epoxy coated concrete and install a V8 in her! You are doing a MUCH better job than I did with your ratios. Much better... :oops: :oops:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:07 pm
by Fonda@kauai
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:49 pm
by cape man
You didn't have to laugh three times!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:19 pm
by Fonda@kauai
you will be fine unless you start building everything else out of epoxy coated concrete and install a V8 in her!
This is what gave me a laugh 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:23 pm
by cape man
Yeah, yeah, yeah... you were laughing at my fat boat 8) I was done with the BOM epoxy about half way through, and was almost three times over by the time I finished! You are doing a fantastic job.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:54 pm
by chicagoross
If you still have kit epoxy left you're doing great! I went double BOM on mine, some due to additions and options, and some due to technique. Double is not unusual at all from previous postings. Building the boat with the epoxy on the BOM IS unusual... :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:57 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I have a gallon and a half of laminating resin, BUT, I still have to build the gunnels and coat a few hatches with pigment so we'll see....... I did use a little over a gallon of EZ fillet though, instead of the quart that was in the BOM (There's NO WAY with just a quart :lol: )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:22 pm
by Lucky_Louis
There's NO WAY with just a quart
Actually, there is - it's called "workboat finish"... :wink: Technically, you don't need any fairing compound if you can live with the result.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:33 pm
by chicagoross
That's another reason my epoxy usage was high - quickfair cn't be mailed, so my fairing was done epoxy/blended filler mix. Only to a workboat finish, but I be I used a lot more than a quart! :D plus 3 coats epoxy/graphite, it all adds up... You're still doing great!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:10 pm
by cape man
You finish the boat and go fishing? :?: :?: :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:14 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks for checking in. I wish :) I've actually gotten a lot more done, so I need to update. I usually like to get a good chunk of work done before I take the time to document. Stay tuned.......

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:26 pm
by cape man
Staying tuned...really want to see that one finished and running. Was one of my strong candidates when I picked the OD18.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:14 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Update time :D For starters, all cleats are installed and have two coats of epoxy on the port side. Just need to sand and plane to shape. The camera makes everything all distorted looking, not sure why? Notice my ugly braces holding the sheer in shape:
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The bow compartment faired and ready for primer:
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Port stern locker faired with two coats of pigmented epoxy:
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Starboard hatch backing. Backing is 3/4". I planed and sanded the backing to match the curve of the transom and motorwell bulkhead, so the hatch has a nice curve that matches. I put the backing in temporarily, then used a straight edge from the transom to the bulkhead to make the curve. Kinda make sense?
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Did the same thing on the port side, then cut out the hatch shape from the decking and backing. You can see where I extended the backing for hinges and a latch. The 1/4" decking bends nicely to the curve of the backing 8) Routered all the edges.
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Back of backing:

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With decking:
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Bow compartment and backing primed and painted with three coats of sterling:
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Backing for bow compartment is 1", I wanted to have plenty of strength there for the bow cleat and chocks :D
I spaced taking a pic of the priming stage, sorry :oops:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:19 pm
by Fonda@kauai
The hatches will have this 1/8" taco hatch tape as seen here on one of my console hatches. I have no illusions about them being totally water proof, but they should do the job. For a test, I poured some water all around the hatch tape then went and watched a movie. When I came back two hours later no water had seeped past :D Good enough for me.
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:02 pm
by sitandfish
OK... now you are just showing off!

STOP posting the pictures of how perfect your boat is turning out. :roll:

Nobody is going to be able to be able to get close to how beautiful your details are turning out! :lol:

I want to see you and "sideslippa' in a cage match to battle for the "Most Beautiful Boat Being Built".

How are us regular people suppose to build a boat after seeing what you guys are doing?!??!?!?!?




Hope you know this is all in fun but... still. You guys are building some incredible boats! Thanks for sharing the process. :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:43 am
by sideslippa
Hey there Fonda, lookin' very nice good attention to detail. sure, it is alot of work but the results speak for themselves. truly beautifull work mate, give yourself a pat on the back :wink:

sideslippa.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:54 am
by Cracker Larry
8O 8O 8) Dang, I quit.

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That's beautiful work :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:58 pm
by Murry
Very nice work Fonda! 8) She sure is coming together nicely.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:18 pm
by CaseyS
could you explain why you made the hatches with the three prongs. I think I might be looking at it backwards. are the prongs towar the inside or outside of the hatch?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:45 pm
by gstanfield
I took it as two on one side were for hinges and the one on the other side was the latch. Maybe I'm wrong :)

George

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:06 am
by Fonda@kauai
One things for sure, there are a lot of beautiful boats being built on here 8)
To answer the hatch question, the three tabs sticking out are on the backing itself. The single is for the latch, and the two are for hinges. The 1/4" is too thin for the latch I'll be installing, and I wanted more than 1/4" to mount the hinges to. When closed you will never see the backing, only the unbroken outline of the hatch. In these two pics the hatchlid is upside down, showing the backing, and the hatch itself is right side up. Kinda hard to explain.... :)
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:15 am
by gstanfield
Cool, that's what I thought, I just wasn't sure enough to explain it for you. :wink: Good looking job for sure, makes me want to hide my boat and only take it out at night :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:52 pm
by CaseyS
I understand now because of the 1/4 inch ply. I didn't realize at first it was more like a flush fitting insert. So from the top you will just see a plain flat hatch.

I see the backing plate and the 3 pronged hatch share the same grain pattern. Did you use a router with an eigth inch bit to cut that out?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:58 pm
by tobolamr
sitandfish wrote:I want to see you and "sideslippa' in a cage match to battle for the "Most Beautiful Boat Being Built".
I would like to also add BassMunn in that cage match, making it a 3-way... :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:51 pm
by Fonda@kauai
You got it Casey 8) First I carefully cut the hatch out of the 1/4" ply, then lay that on the backing to create a "template" and trace it out with a pen. Then cut the shape out of the backing leaving a 1" lip or whatever size you choose. I cut the backing out, then use a straight edge with a flush cut bit in the router to clean it up, leaving a nice straight edge. Then round it all with a 1/4" roundover bit.
I appreciate the compliments on the boat, but really there's more than just a few beautiful boats being built. The names you mentioned of course are quite an inspiration. I have yet to see any that I would call ugly :) I look at everyone's threads a lot, I just don't always comment. Mostly I enjoy seeing the different routes we find to the same destination. I think you can tell alot about someone by their style of boat building.....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:31 am
by Cracker Larry
I think you can tell alot about someone by their style of boat building.....
Yep :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:06 am
by sitandfish
tobolamr wrote:
sitandfish wrote:I want to see you and "sideslippa' in a cage match to battle for the "Most Beautiful Boat Being Built".
I would like to also add BassMunn in that cage match, making it a 3-way... :lol:
I was thinking that there would have to be a bracket set up. Way too many beautiful boats being built. Definitely seems like everyone is learning from each boat being built and being inspired by each boat being built. And not just the really fine details recently being completed like with the couple guys we mentioned. George's new little blue boat, Robert's SB18, the new CS25 by jki4405, Hooter's boat, NWTrout, Larry's, etc... And these are just the new builds. The rebuilds have been really inspirational as well. Hats off to everyone including Jacques and Shine. Not trying to cover my butt here. Some fantastic work being done on this building forum by all.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:55 am
by gstanfield
George's new little blue boat
Thanks and all, but I really don't consider mine to be anything special. It's just a FL14 with full gunnels added and what I consider to be a workboat paintjob. Wait until you see my drift boat I'm building now, then you can compliment me :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:10 am
by cape man
Fonda,

Great stuff!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:56 pm
by cape man
Happy Birthday!

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You hit two years today (but who's counting :lol: :lol: :lol: ).

Saw where you slipped up and posted on sideslippa's build (hey, that's kinda funny. Slipped up on sideslippa's build :roll: :roll: ) What's shakin' with the world's nicest Panga?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:05 pm
by wegcagle
Do we get any birthday pictures???

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:58 pm
by Pullinlivebait
O.k. he did not receive his plywood till Oct.23 and his epoxy till Nov. 8 and you guys want to celebrate early :lol: .I hope he post some pictures soon.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:55 am
by Fonda@kauai
You remembered :D :D :D Haha, thanks guys. I've gotten a lot more done. The port decks are completely glued on, and the starboard cleats for the decks are going in tomorrow. I'm gonna do a fall cleaning on the boat shed tomorrow, so I'll post pics once it's clean 8) Gonna be done before next summer for sure :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:25 am
by cape man
Since I finished mine I'm just here for encouragement at this point. Kinda like a drill sargeant :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is one of the boats here I really want to see in the water! Can't wait to see the birthday picks...

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:54 pm
by sideslippa
I am looking foward to the latest pics Two :D :D

Slippa.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:42 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Well, the panga partied pretty hard for it's Bday, I didn't want to get any pics of it in that condition. All better now. I hit the outside edge with a 1/2" round over bit, and will do the same on the inwale once it's on. The inside edge of the gunnel isn't fair yet, but I think I can straighten that out when I put on the inwales. Width without the inwale is 9-1/2".
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So, gotta glue on the starboard cleats and deck, build the inwales and cover with cloth, put cloth for abrasion resistance on a few more places, and I can start finishing and wrapping up the console :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:42 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Well, the panga partied pretty hard for it's Bday, I didn't want to get any pics of it in that condition. All better now. I hit the outside edge with a 1/2" round over bit, and will do the same on the inwale once it's on. The inside edge of the gunnel isn't fair yet, but I think I can straighten that out when I put on the inwales. Width without the inwale is 9-1/2".
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So, gotta glue on the starboard cleats and deck, build the inwales and cover with cloth, put cloth for abrasion resistance on a few more places, and I can start finishing and wrapping up the console :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:34 pm
by cape man
Sweet!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:45 pm
by wegcagle
Looks good Fonda.

I love good boat porn.

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:15 am
by woylie
The jungle must have taken over the project..... :( .

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:28 pm
by Fonda@kauai
The jungle must have taken over the project.....
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Almost :!: :lol: No, in reality my dad is really sick so I flew to the mainland to spend some time with him. Don't want any regrets :( Anyway, after getting caught up at work again I'm back on the project. Made some progress yesterday and gonna work on it today as well, so should have some updates. I'm down to about 1/3 of a gallon of epoxy and still have to finish the console and glass the gunnels, so I won't quite make it with the BOM for epoxy :| A gallon or so over on a boat this size doesn't seem too bad though. Thanx for checkin in :)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:28 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Duplicate, computer is acting wonky :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:45 pm
by chicagoross
A gallon or so over on a boat this size doesn't seem too bad though.
A gallon or so over is excellent!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:22 pm
by TomW
Sorry to hear about your Dad Fonda, that sort of takes precidence over boats. Things are looking real good though!

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:00 pm
by Larry B
Fonda, sorry to hear about your Dad,
your boat is looking great. I did my gunwales bass ackwards but it worked for me. I put the inwales on before the gunwales :doh: Then taped over onto the rubrail and inwales.
WOW, one gallon over :help: holly molly, I was a gallon over the first month. Total was 23 gallons over bom :doh: :help: So maybe $1000.00 extra in epoxy, I didn't figure that was too bad, so a gallon over, I wouldn't even mention it :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:07 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'm also sorry to hear about your Dad. Hoping the best for yall.
WOW, one gallon over :help: holly molly,
That's got to be some kind of record, for a boat that size 8)

Total was 23 gallons over bom :doh:
That's got to be some kind of record too 8O

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:41 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks guys, appreciate it. So damn unfair, he's only 54 years old. I guess the moral is to be the meanest, greediest, nastiest fu*#er you can be, because those guys live forever. My dad is none of those things. :cry:
I did my gunwales bass ackwards but it worked for me. I put the inwales on before the gunwales
I don't know, that might have been easier than the way I'm doing it. And yours came out really nice. :D More than one way to skin a cat :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:25 am
by cape man
I guess the moral is to be the meanest, greediest, nastiest fu*#er you can be, because those guys live forever. My dad is none of those things.
Living long doesn't count like living good. My mother, who I named my boat after, lived for only 41 years but had a stronger influence on my life and many others than anyone else. 54 is too young for sure, and proves we don't have a given expiration date on a human life. Everyday has to count for sure. Good on you to go visit.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:26 pm
by wegcagle
I agree Fonda; 54 is too young to be getting sick. Almost lost my dad 3 weeks ago but he came out good on the other side of an emergency surgery. I live over 500 miles away from my parents, and still don't know what I would do without my weekly phone calls and 4x/year visits.

Sorry to hear about you dad's illness. We're praying for the best over here.

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:43 am
by colonialc19
How goes it? its been a while since you've updated, hope all is well with your father,and family
Your build is looking great!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:54 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Hey, thanx for checking in :D I'm definitely still working on the panga :lol: More than ever actually. I work for 10 hours or so, then come home and jam on the boat till my mind and/or body gives out. Quality won't be compromised of course, so these things take time. I've been really lame about updating, I just don't simply have the time or energy usually to take pics and upload them. I have a big update coming in a week or so though :wink: Both gunnels are on and the inwales are almost done. I've also tackled a good bit of interior fairing, so stay tuned!
Thanx for the well wishes everyone, pops is still hangin in there. There are so many beautiful builds going on I feel ashamed I haven't taken the time to keep track of them and give credit and props where it's do, as so many have kindly done with my thread :oops: I'll try to make up for if I ever get a handle on working too much. (Can't believe Larry's building ANOTHER one! What an animal!) Aloha :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:56 am
by cape man
Anxious to see the pics. Build on!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:43 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Well boys, the tortoise presses onward :D Let me say first of all that the gunnels and inwales are built! They need to be glassed of course, but the hard part is over. The only other item that needs to be built is the console, which is more than half done anyway. After that it's a little glass work and on to finishing :D With out further ado- some panga porn: (it's so long I couldn't get it all in one pic!) Looking toward the Bow.....
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And toward the stern......
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You can see I've been fairing a little too. Some detail shots where the inwale ends at the bow and stern....
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The top edge of the inwale, bulk head, and bow were gone over with a 1/2" round over bit. The bottom of the inwale was rounded over with a 3/8" bit both sides ( 3/4" stock) before it was installed. Also, I got a nice smooth curve in the inwale by kerfing the stock, filling the gaps with epoxy, then temporarily installing the inwalse till the epoxy cured and they held their shape :D Worked really good. Tried steam bending....No way. Here's a detail shot......
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:51 pm
by Fonda@kauai
You can see the bottom edge is wrapped in 4 oz glass. I want the abrasion resistance for when I pull in, say, one of these...
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Here's what under the gunnel looks like, the hole is for under gunnel lights..
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The top of the bulkhead was only 1/2" and seemed like I would break it, so I added a 1x4, planed the top to shape, capped it with 1/4" ply to blend in with the decks, then routered the whole thing with a 1/2" roundover bit. Blends together very nicely :D
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That's all for now...... Aloha

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:54 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Forgot to mention, the gunnels slope toward the outside of the boat, but the inwales are perfectly vertical and hang into the cockpit 1". In the second pic down you can see a spot on the inwales with no glass. This is where I scarfed the inwales together, right on a frame joint. I'll tie the joint together further with glass. Okay, now pau :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:55 pm
by Prarie Dog
Fonda, that is some really nice work on your inwales, and a very nice looking build. :D Do you have your fuel tank under the front deck? Noticed some open tubing, hope you don't get something in your tank I know some guys that fish the Sea of Cortez, pangas are about the only boat they even think about using, one guy is mounting a fighting chair on the rear deck right about now.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:56 pm
by sitandfish
That is just... Boat Art! 8)
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:07 am
by Fonda@kauai
Do you have your fuel tank under the front deck? Noticed some open tubing
Aloha PD, Yep that's the fuel cell. I will build an enclosure around the tubes with an inspection hatch to keep water out, and I have a round bomar hatch that goes over the circular hole :D Thanks for the kind words, and I love the sea of cortez :)
That is just... Boat Art!
Thanx Sitandfish, I've put my heart and soul into this boat. Too kind!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:47 am
by chicagoross
The details are looking great! Glad your project is rolling right along! What's your paint plans?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:51 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Ross :D How's the HMD treating you? As you can see in the pic, the bottom up to the spray rail is Sterling Hatteras White. From the top of the spray rail to the bottom of the gunnel (primed area) will be Sterling Sea Foam Green or one of their light blue colors. The rubrail and rest of the interior, and transom will be Hatteras White with white or tan kiwi grip....
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Edit: Just noticed your comment about the fuel fill hose and vent PrarieDog, good eye, yes I have both lines plugged, don't want anything in there :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:04 pm
by chicagoross
Still cruising, still catching mainly mahi (which is a good thing). 2 years of cruising at 6 mph generate the desire for a bit more speed, but cruising and trolling all day on 3 gallons of gas kind of spoils you. The family's gotton so used to the accomodations that I'll never be able to get away from having a cabin on board, so future designs are limited by current luxuries.

I've had no problems whatsoever with my island material compromises - lauan exterior ply (better than US stuff), Kilz oil-base exterior primer, and Rustoleum marine paint. All has proved to be durable.

The panga's gonna look sweet with some paint, can't wait to see!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:13 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Still cruising, still catching mainly mahi
Nice! Same story here, lots of mahi in the 15-20 lb. range, a few striped marlin in february, and a lot of bigeye and yellowfin shibi around in the 20-30 lb. range with the occasional 60-70 lb. bigeye. Sounds like you have a little relief from the grind of starting your business, gives me something to hope for :D
Pretty hard finding materials on an island, but I wouldn't say you compromised, she's a lot prettier than the production boats I see and I'm sure at least as strong if not stronger....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:26 pm
by wegcagle
Looks great Fonda. Glad to see you working on her again. 8)

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:49 am
by Fonda@kauai
Looks great Fonda. Glad to see you working on her again.
Thanks Will, glad to be working on it :D How's DC?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:46 pm
by cape man
I like!!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:52 pm
by Larry B
Really looking good :D

Up under here is where it gets fun painting :doh: I was going to do it complete under there but ended up only going to the cleat on the side wall. If someone is laying down and sees it, well so be it. But then again my inwales are about 4" high. I tell you it's a bitch with the console there :help:
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:35 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I was going to do it complete under there but ended up only going to the cleat on the side wall. If someone is laying down and sees it, well so be it.
If someone's laying down then they probably have bigger problems :D No one will see it. I may still take a small brush and brush some sterling under there, we'll see.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:00 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I like!!!

Thanks Craig, your build continues to be an inspiration :D Speaking of which, been using her much lately? Time to update your thread :D :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:21 am
by cape man
Going out this weekend and next. Love my job, but it's been demanding the past few months. I'll try and post some pics and updates.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:59 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I'll try and post some pics and updates.
Please do :D I went to page 4 in Power Boats and still couldn't find your thread :lol: I need some pics for inspiration to keep on truckin....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:43 am
by chicagoross
I went to page 4 in Power Boats and still couldn't find your thread I need some pics for inspiration to keep on truckin....
:D OK, Fonda, you're on page 5 now yourself. Been out fisning and diving I hope?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:37 pm
by cape man
Yeah. Where are you?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:57 pm
by Uncle D
I was looking for that tutorial he did on peel-ply last week. Couldn't remember where it was. :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:02 am
by chlli willie
Hope your ok, sure would love to hear how the boats coming along. :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:49 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Happy Birthday :!: :!: :!: :!:


how about an update on your build :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:01 pm
by peter-curacao
Yeah happy birthday 8) 8) 8) Everything okay :?:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:25 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha Guys,
Thanks for checking on me :D All is well and I'm working on the panga. I'll post some pics as soon as I clean up the embarassing mess in the boat shed today :oops: Structurally she's totally done and I'm wrapping up the console now. So I'm on to finishing.
I want to apologize for being so bad about commenting lately. I don't have email notification turned on so I don't know when someone's commented, gotta fix that. Running my business can be a real monster, sometimes I go a month or two without even touching the boat. But I'm scaling back a little so I have more time for the important things :wink: . Anyway, stay tuned, updates a comin'.....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:42 pm
by chicagoross
Glad you checked in and that all's OK!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:43 am
by waterman13
How many gallons of epoxy did you use to glass the bottom of the hull? I'm getting ready to order materials and just want to order enough right now to get me to the boat flip. Is 6 gallons enough?

Thanks!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:49 pm
by cape man
Screw the mess. Send pics!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Sterling Seamist Green on the sides:
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Close up of Sterling gloss...
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Proud papa
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All the hatches are built (what a job!), and glassed with a layer of 4 oz. for abrasion, all hardware screw holes have been over drilled and filled, all backing for rod holders/hawse pipes/etc. is installed, the console is built (but not glassed in yet), and most of the fairing is done. The gunnels are completely glassed an faired. Here's a teaser of the hatches with the hardware...
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More pics to come...... :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:24 pm
by chlli willie
Your doing a beautiful job,love that paint. Thank you for posting.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:30 pm
by wegcagle
Nice work :!: Hatches and paint job looks great

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Fonda@kauai wrote: Proud papa
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All the rights to be proud, that's a beautiful job man! 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:50 pm
by gstanfield
VERY NICE!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:56 pm
by chicagoross
Beautiful paint job, Fonda! I really like that color!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:30 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks a lot guys! It means a lot coming from the finest vessel builders I know :D Man the gloss on the sterling is ridiculous :lol: Not sure how it will look in the bright hawaiian sun.... I know there's a lot of reaaaalllyy fine builds going on, I need to brush up on 'em... to be continued :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:02 pm
by colonialc19
Great job man, really, thats something to be proud of 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:47 pm
by BassMunn
Awesome paint job Fonda!! Nice to see you back at it again.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:26 am
by sideslippa
Great attention to detail, love that bonza paint finish, great to see you are still pluggin away at her mate, I look foward to viewing the finished article and i'll bet you look foward to using it.
Cheers... regards, Slippa.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:35 am
by Doc_Dyer
hey cape man :x :wink:

you still think that color is ugly? :roll: :wink: :wink: :wink:

I dont man that looks killer

Love the color, great job :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:03 pm
by Fred in Wisc
That is a sweet lookin' boat, Fonda. Very nice indeed.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:33 pm
by TRC886
Beautiful boat :!: I LOVE the lines on her, and I love that Sterling shine too 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:51 pm
by Hope2float
Great looking paint job and fairing work. I was beginning to think you were swept away by a tropical storm. That is some fine work. keep the pics coming.
Dave

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:25 pm
by tobolamr
Impressive painting job!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:40 pm
by Fuzz
I love the look of the Panga's and yours might just be the nicest one I have seen yet! You are doing some outstanding work. Keep posting pictures for us, boat porn you know :P

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:34 pm
by woodys3b
Fonda,

Just got my Panga 22 plans and stumbled upon your build thread today. Read all 39 pages in one sitting. All I can say is WOW! Way to go man. Thanks for the inspiration. Can't wait to see her wet.

What do you plan to power her with?

Andy

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:31 am
by tech_support
Very nice job. :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:01 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Aloha Andy, she'll most likely be powered with a yamaha 70. And thanks for the compliments guys 8) I'm painting the transom and rubrails this week, so there'll be some more pics soon. My wife and I just bought a house, so I'll be putting her on a trailer before we move, which is august 1st :D So pics are a comin....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:13 am
by Fonda@kauai
Rubrails, transom, and motorwell are painted! Three coats....
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Pictures really don't do Sterling any justice. It's so shiny it's near impossible to get the camera to focus.
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I desided to hide a paint line on top of the motorwell bulkhead. It's a little over an inch wide, so there'll be a thin strip of non-skid there, also so there's a little grip there for wet fishy hands. You can see there's only one coat of paint where I'll kiwi grip the motorwell as well...
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:18 am
by Fonda@kauai
Forgot one
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:33 am
by Cracker Larry
Beautiful paint job :!: That is sweet 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:04 am
by woodys3b
Gorgeous! The more I look at that color, the more I like it.

Just bought a used Yamaha 50 four stroke for mine. I may be moving soon which will delay my build a bit.

Andy

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:45 am
by peter-curacao
Absolutely amazing!! beautiful 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:24 pm
by Seadation
peter-curacao wrote:Absolutely amazing!! beautiful 8)
Cracker Larry wrote:Beautiful paint job :!: That is sweet 8)
What they said. This IS the nicest looking Panga I have every seen. Outstanding work. This should go on a magazine cover!

Looking forward to pics of her in the water. A little sprinkle of ono blood will complete her christening.

Fair Winds,

/david

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:46 am
by sideslippa
Another build I am enjoying to follow, and it just keeps getting better. Mate I love the colour...it really grows on me. You still got a bit to go so just keep at it. All of a sudden it is ready to get wet! I am looking foward to seeing those photos.

Best regards From Slippa

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:32 pm
by land-s-cape
Fonda,
That is far and away the best looking panga I have seen, and I've seen hundreds. I am also building a panga22, but I won't post mine as yours shows the best way to do it, and mine is just a first attempt. I am curious about your motorwell shelf, as it looks like it might allow for the upper bolts to go above the shelf, and the lower bolts below. Is that correct? That seems like a great idea. Thanks for the inspiration.

Land-s-cape

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:16 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks again for all the kind words guys :D And thanks slippa, your build continues to be an inspiration. And Land-s-cape, you are correct sir, the upper mounting holes will be above the motorwell shelf.....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:18 pm
by Fonda@kauai
.....oh and don't be shy, I love all pangas 8) Post a pic here or start a thread and let's see it!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:15 pm
by Fonda@kauai
On the trailer :!: :D Just need a roller on the front of the frame and we're good to go!
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:30 pm
by peter-curacao
beautiful 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:05 am
by Cracker Larry
It sure is beautiful 8) That is a fine looking boat there :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:35 am
by Fonda@kauai
Mahalo Gentlemen 8) Not really sure what would be better: a roller up front, or another set of small bunks? Just need something to keep the nose from hitting the back of the tongue.... What do you experienced fellars think?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:03 am
by kleinbiker1
I have no comment on the question of the trailer, but just wanted to say that over the course of a few hours I have just read pretty much every post of your now 40 page thread.

I'm currently in the process of trying to decide what boat I even want to order plans for.

You build and attention to detail is really inspiring and motivating. I'll needless to say will be following the rest of this thread.


-Chris

Columbus, OH

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:43 am
by peter-curacao
Fonda@kauai wrote:Mahalo Gentlemen 8) Not really sure what would be better: a roller up front, or another set of small bunks? Just need something to keep the nose from hitting the back of the tongue.... What do you experienced fellars think?
Honestly I have no idea, I think a roller would be easier loading her, but I think bunks are better, I have a question though, how far is her keel from the ground when loaded on the trailer? Reason I ask is so I can check If I load my CS on I trailer would I still be able to work on her under my carport.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:16 am
by Mad Dog
Fonda@kauai wrote:Mahalo Gentlemen 8) Not really sure what would be better: a roller up front, or another set of small bunks? Just need something to keep the nose from hitting the back of the tongue.... What do you experienced fellars think?
Beautiful boat!!

From what I can see in the pic your bunks are not very long. I would prefer longer bunks to support the hull better and a roller to keep the bow from banging the trailer. The long (ish) tounge on the trailer might make extra bunks a difficult install. :doh:

MD :wink:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:28 am
by topwater
WOW 8) Nice color combination, outstanding job on the paint. That boat is a looker :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:28 pm
by tech_support
bunks a warped hull bottom are a little tricky if you want them full length.

A second set of bunks further forward would help a lot, as would a center roller or two.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:54 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I'm currently in the process of trying to decide what boat I even want to order plans for.
It's the most rewarding thing I've ever done, hands down (and I'm a busy, ambitious little bugger!). I hope you go for it :D

have a question though, how far is her keel from the ground when loaded on the trailer?
Hey Peter, the keel is 21" from the ground, and the trailer frame is 17" from the ground. Plenty of room to get under there 8)
The long (ish) tounge on the trailer might make extra bunks a difficult install.
Yep, good eye. I had to go with a longer tongue. The pangas have a pretty high length to width ratio. There is one spot on the frame where I can mount another crossmember, so I think I'll follow Joel's advice and do two smaller bunks up front and a few rollers to keep the nose from hitting the trailer while loading. Joel is also correct about the hull shape: if the bunks were a few feet longer they wouldn't fit the hull as well. As they are now they follow the warp perfectly. They extend about a foot forward of the center of weight so the front of the boat is kind of floating. The picture angle is a little decieving and makes it look like the bunks and axle are farther back than they really are. They are directly under the stringers as well.....

Again, thanks for all the kind words :D On the short 5 mile drive with it to my new house yesterday, I recieved multiple honks, yells, and shakas! A really good feeling :!: :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:42 pm
by LOW277
Beautiful! I can't wait to see this in action!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:37 pm
by land-s-cape
Hi Fonda

I haven't posted pics yet, but I have just finished my p22 in Colorado and trailered to the Florida Keys, where I have a place. Put the boat in the water with a new Yamaha F70, which is perfect for it. I am getting over 34 mph top speed, with 7 mpg at cruise. (21 mph, 4100 rpm) I just completed my 1st oil change and now have about 37 hours on it. Performs as I expected, with great handling in everything from 7" water getting bait, to 4-5 foot seas looking for pelagics. I will post some pics when my more tech savvy buddie gets back from skiing. We named the boat Pfish On.

Land-s-cape

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:12 pm
by Fonda@kauai

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:26 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Let's try that again...
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:39 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Bet you guys gave up on me huh! :lol: What a relief to come back and see some familiar names! I love this place. Well gents it's been a crazy few years. I Bought a house. Grew my business into an uncontrollable behemoth. Took a few months off and traveled the world with my amazing wife. Lived, laughed, and loved. And cried. I got so busy running a plumbing company I didn't have time for anything other than survival. Super hard times. Super good times. Most importantly, I'm finally finishing the boat :D Never mind the crappy pics and temporary bird spikes, they're there to keep feral cats from walking in fresh Sterling (BASTARDS!). All hatches are done :D Everything has 3-4 coats of Sterling except for two inside panels in the casting deck area, which will be done this week. Today I bought:
Fishfinder-Furuno 1670f
Transducer- Airmar B117
Steering- Baystar Hydraulic
Steering wheel
oh yeah... MOTOR! Yamaha F70 :D

The custom T-top is under construction 8), and I have some time off to rig everything. Also I have some questions for you who are willing. Here goes..
Gauges: What gauges do I need? Obviously a tach, but what else?
Switch panel: I'll need a switch for the bilge pump, nav lights, gunnel lights, fishfinder....what am I missing?
Thanks!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:41 am
by topwater
Welcome back the boat looks incredible :!: The only gauges i am going to run are a smart gauge from the engine
manufacture and a fuel gauge.The smart gauge will be your tach and other important engine info and will only
require one gauge hole , your GPS will be speed.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:51 pm
by Fuzz
Welcome back Fonda :!:
I was sure hoping to see this one finished and a running report. I love the Pangas but they must be a real bear to finish as I see lots of them started but very few finished. :doh: Yours is so nice it would be a crime to not see it finished.
Fuzz

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:38 pm
by wegcagle
Awesome! Glad to see you're still at it. My little dinky GV15 took about the same amount of time, and basically for the same reasons. Family, job, life..... Good on ya for sticking with the build 8) She's too beautiful to stay hidden forever.

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:24 pm
by peterrivers
Other possible switches: Deck Flood, wash down pump, under water lights, live bait tank, anchor light separate from Nav?

Room for anchor and trim tab switches?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:45 pm
by Fonda@kauai
The only gauges i am going to run are a smart gauge from the engine
manufacture and a fuel gauge.The smart gauge will be your tach and other important engine info and will only
require one gauge hole , your GPS will be speed.
That's what I was kinda thinking. It's been so long since I've been on the forum I just wanted to make sure I wasn't forgetting something. Thanks!
I love the Pangas but they must be a real bear to finish as I see lots of them started but very few finished.
Maybe it's the type of people drawn to the panga :lol:
Awesome! Glad to see you're still at it
Yeah it feels good to be finally wrapping up and getting near a splash. It's really cool to see the people I was building with still active on the forums. Your boat turned out beautiful! Gonna go catch up on your thread right now since I don't think I was around for the splash. :D
Other possible switches: Deck Flood, wash down pump, under water lights, live bait tank, anchor light separate from Nav?

Room for anchor and trim tab switches?
Good ideas. A washdown pump and deck flood would be nice. Maybe an outlet to plug in an aerator for a bait well... hmm maybe I'll get an 8 switch panel just in case. Got some pondering to do...

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:44 pm
by cape man
Looking awesome! Was wondering where you went! I have a tach and fuel gauge and switches for nav lights, bilge, baitwell (pump), and night lights (LED rope under gunwales and LED in bait well. same switch). I also have a lighter outlet for plugging in cell phone, other chargers, etc.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:00 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Yep Craig, back from the dead :D I went ahead and bought a 6 switch Blue Seas panel, so that should cover what I have:
FF, nav lights, under gunnel lights, bilge, lighter outlet, and an extra just in case.
I haven't ordered the under gunnel lights yet, gotta do that today. I was going to order from the same place you did. Do you remember if they come set up for DC or did you have to adapt? Other than that everything else except my hardtop materials has been ordered. Kiwigrip's on the way and the first of my expensive boxes arrived yesterday...
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And the interior paint is finished. I'm gonna do one more coat on the outside rubrail to hide some scuffs and then the fat lady can sing......
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And some detail shots of the fuel cell hatches and console seat hatch....
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That's all for now. Once I get a nice sunny day I'll pull the boat out and get some shots with a good camera. iphone pics don't do it justice :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:09 pm
by TomW1
Good to see you back at it. Thought you had finished her a year or so ago. :oops:

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:20 pm
by Fonda@kauai
That's because it should have been finished a year or so ago :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:41 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Got my Kiwigrip in. Here's a little teaser....
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:35 am
by cape man
Kiwi Grip looks awesome. The 12V LED rope lights I used seem to be no longer available, but I found these on Sailor Sam's site.

http://www.sailorsams.com/product.asp?i ... oC7v7w_wcB

You can buy them by the foot. I used red to save my night vision and put them under the gunwales to light up the deck when tying a line or getting a fish off. Like them a lot. Image

Same switch turns on a white light in my bait well (couldn't find a red one).
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:33 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks Cape Man! I forgot I need to order my lights :!: Did they come with the correct wiring for DC or did you have to adapt? Here's the casting deck with Kiwigrip. I used a 3/16" notched spreader and it came out really aggressive 8O . I'll probably use the same on the floor just to match the texture, and a 1/8" on the gunnels...
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:36 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Oh and I forgot to ask- I was thinking about white or blue for my under gunnel lights. Is that gonna wreck my night vision?
I like the red look too, just thought it might be easier to see things in white light....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:04 am
by cape man
If you buy the DC lights they can be wired direct to your switch. The AC 120V need a converter. I just used the red, but I have seen blue and white on boats with no real issue. I do like the effect (or lack of effect) of red lights on your night vision. My friend has the blue on his Calcutta and they are really sharp!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:20 pm
by BB Sig
Red is best but Green and Blue are better than White.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:40 pm
by Cracker Larry
Blue Sea makes 12V dimmer switches and they are great. You can vary the brightness from a very dim glow to wide open. We put about 200 LED lights in the GF18, they are divided into 4 different dimmer circuits. There are no unlit compartments or open areas, and each controlled by their own dimmers switches. It doesn't take much light on a dark night to see what you're doing.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:26 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I really like the idea of being able to dim the lights , thanks for the idea :idea: I'll take a look at the blue seas dimmer, seems like their stuff is solid. I'm leaning toward blue or green at the moment...currently waiting for the DLNR to issue me my HIN, in the meantime I'm masking off the other non-skid areas. More to come....

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:28 pm
by Fonda@kauai
And the motor is on site... :D :D :D
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:23 am
by cape man
That is a box I could not wait to open!!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:14 pm
by jorgepease
That's the motor I started with, really sweet! My boat was just too long and the tunnel didn't help ... but it still got the job done and barely uses any gas!!!

If your jacking it up, you will be surprised how good the water intakes work, better than the F115 and it's a short skeg, doesn't hang down below the prop like the 115 which makes it easier to get really skinny.

Congrats

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:31 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Good to hear Jorge! A buddy loaned me a dandy little 1000lb Warn winch, and was able to get the motor hung with the help of my neighbor in about 30 minutes. Great little winch 8)
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That's all for today, tomorrow I'll start on hooking up the hydraulic steering cylinder :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:33 pm
by Fonda@kauai
That is a box I could not wait to open!!!
Tell me about it!!!! :)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:16 am
by topwater
That sure is purdy :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:19 am
by wegcagle
I can't begin to tell you how much I love my Yammi 8) That is one beautiful motor. Now hurry up and get that kiwi grip done so you can splash her :D

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:49 pm
by TomW1
Wow that sure looks pretty! :D How many HP?

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Now hurry up and get that kiwi grip done so you can splash her :D
You're psychic! Am masking off the gunnels now :) I have pretty much everything to start rigging, and what I don't have is on the way. The only thing that's gonna hold me up is the t-top. I was told by my welder he had started on it, but turns out he hasn't and is going through a messy divorce. Poor guy. So he's out for the time being. It's unbelievably hard to find a stainless welder here. Of the 4-5 I've contacted they're all out a year or so. And that's making $100.00 per hour. I'm seriously tempted to buy a tig welder and teach myself to weld stainless :lol: But I have a few more options first. At any rate I won't be Kiwigripping the sole until I know where the top's feet will sit. In the meantime I'll be rigging so no big deal.
Wow that sure looks pretty! :D How many HP?
It's their F70 :D Want anything from Hawaii? We could work out a deal if you want to run the prop calcs for me :)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:53 pm
by jorgepease
Fonda@kauai wrote:
It's unbelievably hard to find a stainless welder here. Of the 4-5 I've contacted they're all out a year or so. And that's making $100.00 per hour. I'm seriously tempted to buy a tig welder and teach myself to weld stainless :lol:
Likewise! I'v been looking at retiring and opening a shop! In my area everyone is booked at least 3 months out.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:26 pm
by land-s-cape
Hi Fonda. I posted my last post on this thread about 3 years ago as we had just launched a P22 in the keys. I can get you the prop info for my f70 as it is identical to yours. We normally run with 3 good sized guys and 22 gallons in the live well, full bait cooler and 8-10 rods, 19 gallons of fuel and outriggers. So good load for that boat. We average over 6 mpg with 5300 rpm at WOT. GPS speed is 28 mph, with full load. Lightly loaded is 33-34 mph. I will get my buddy in Florida to get the info from the prop. Glad to see you didn't fall off the face of the earth and will finish that beautiful boat.

Land-s-cape

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:52 am
by jorgepease
For what it's worth, I went through a lot of experimentation with props and that motor and the best one I found was the Turbo 1. A lot of people have come to the same conclusion, you will find various threads around the net. Good Luck )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:27 pm
by TomW1
Fonda@kauai wrote:
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Wow that sure looks pretty! :D How many HP?
It's their F70 :D Want anything from Hawaii? We could work out a deal if you want to run the prop calcs for me :)
Be glad to run the prop calcs for you. Jorgepease mentioned the Turbo1 that is a very good prop and may be sold by your local Yamaha dealer as Yamaha bought the Turbo manufacturer about 8 years ago.

What I will need from you is, Weights the boat, normal load(people, gas, gear, coolers, ice, etc.). Don't worry about the motor I have that from Yamaha. The second most important thing I need is the water line length. Since this is the first P22 I am doing it is important that I get this right. You can measure up 8" from the keel and measure that. From the study plans it looks to be about 16-17 feet.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:14 am
by Fonda@kauai
Hi Fonda. I posted my last post on this thread about 3 years ago as we had just launched a P22 in the keys
Aloha Land-s-cape, 3 years ago was super crazy for me and I must have missed your post. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the panga so far :!: Has it seen any rough water? That's about the max my load will be as well. Mahalo!
best one I found was the Turbo 1
Thanks Jorge I'll take a look!
What I will need from you is, Weights the boat, normal load(people, gas, gear, coolers, ice, etc.). Don't worry about the motor I have that from Yamaha. The second most important thing I need is the water line length.
Thank you Tom :D Very generous of you to give of your time and talents :!: I can get you the water line length in a few days, but it might be a few weeks before I get the hull weighed. I'll be adding some rollers, bunks, and guide-on's to the trailer in the next few weeks so I can trailer it 30 miles to the coast guard station for weighing and inspection. More updates soon... :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:18 am
by Fonda@kauai
Just went back and found your post land-s-cape. Don't know how I missed it :doh: Too many head injuries I guess :lol: Your performance reports made me a happy camper, I'd love to hear more. Better yet, I'd love to see pics, either here or on your own thread :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:42 pm
by land-s-cape
Hi Fonda,
My buddy will get you the prop pitch in the next day or so. I have just been running a Yamaha aluminum prop, so there is more performance available, I'm sure. When I told the dealer that we were putting a 70 on a 23 foot boat, he was not very optimistic. When the tech came back from his test run, he told the dealer that the boat was " scary fast". Now that I have all the gear on board it is very manageable. I also have a 6hp Yamaha kicker that we sometimes take with us for long offshore runs. You asked about rough water. The Atlantic seems to be more confused than the Pacific to me. I have been out in very confused 5 footers with this boat and have never felt uncomfortable. The boat is so light that it never digs into a wave. On steep following seas, it can get a little goofy. I will be taking the boat to Cuba when that opens up. Hope some of that helps.

Land-s-cape

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:41 pm
by Fonda@kauai
When I told the dealer that we were putting a 70 on a 23 foot boat, he was not very optimistic
Yep, I got funny looks too :lol:
Your report sounds exactly how I imagined it would handle. It can get very short and snotty here, since we're basically in open ocean, and usually in the direction of the trades, but sometimes the wave refraction of the island can make it get really mixed up in a few places. I think most boats get goofy in a steep following sea. Probably my least favorite situation :help: I don't mind taking whitecaps on the bow one bit. Anyway, thanks for the report and prop info, I appreciate it greatly good sir!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:40 pm
by TomW1
land-s-cape a question for you. Are you running an aluminum prop?

Fonda do you want an aluminum or SS prop?. A SS prop will be more efficient works better in goofy seas and tracks better especially a 4 blade.

Thanks both of you.

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:13 pm
by land-s-cape
Hi Fonda
Just got prop info so here it is. BS PRO LOK 13 1/2 by 15. Aluminum prop. Good luck with yours!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:34 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks land-s-cape!
Fonda do you want an aluminum or SS prop?.
I think I want stainless, 4 blade, maybe an aluminum back up. Had a busy couple days at work but should have the water line length for you tomorrow. Hull weight is about 2 weeks out. Thanks again Tom :!:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:34 pm
by TomW1
Okay that's what we'll do when your ready. Take your time and get every thing else right first. :D

Tom

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:43 am
by Fonda@kauai
Still chipping away.... Here is the console with helm, key switch, switch panel, tach, and fuel gauge mounted.
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I didn't bother taking pics, but the cutout's got 2 coats of epoxy and the screw holes got filled and drilled. I finally got my boarding ladder in, so now that I know where the deck mounts are going I can go ahead and Kiwigrip the gunnels. That's my goal for the weekend. My engine harness, motorwell boot, and controls are in the mail. I also needed a spacer kit for my hydraulic steering cylinder, so that's on the way too. I also think I have a T top welder lined up. Gonna meet with him in a few days and go over the specifics. Build on 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:17 pm
by PangaRon
I'm glad to see your back at it! Your build has been a great inspiration, thanks! Keep the photos coming!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:39 pm
by Rickk
Almost looks like the boat has a lot of water in it :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:11 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Still chipping away here. The rigging is pretty much done, except a small issue I posted up in "power boats". Once that's resolved I'll just need to wire it. I have a few more coats of spar varnish to put on my console shim as well. Here it is with 2 coats of epoxy and the first coat of spar...
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Couldn't get my hands on any teak so I went with Afromosia. After the final coat of varnish I can mount the controls and move on to wiring.
On a more hilarious note, I finally got a quote from a welder. $1,500.00 in materials, which I thought was pretty reasonable considering its 316L, and a mere $12,000.00 in labor :lol: Keep in mind that I'll be installing it myself and it's a pretty Spartan design, not many curves. He said 3-4 weeks labor at $100 an hour. 3. to. 4. Weeks. 8O Please tell me you guy's aren't paying more for the structure than you are for the hull and engine combined :lol: So my options are:
1. Buy a tig welder and spend the next few months teaching myself to weld stainless (hello Youtube!)
2. Have someone on Oahu do it and pay the $300 to ship it over. I just won't get to inspect it before it arrives.
3. Hire a welder known to a board member, and buy a first class ticket for him AND the top to Hawaii. Still gonna come out ahead :lol:

Any ideas?

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:37 am
by Jaysen
Stainless isn't fun to weld. But you should be able to get a class from most community colleges or welding supply houses. Would run you 2-5K depending on if you get certificates. I've seem them as low as 500 with no certs but the folks running them weren't the most respected welders out there.

I think if you offered just about any welder a "free vacation (minus your food and beer) in exchange for lessons" you'd have more folks showing up to teach you than you want. And you'd have a grade A top when you are done.

I would think getting someone on the continent to oversee building and then slow-boating it to you would be the cheapest option. Less fun, but cheaper.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:49 am
by Cracker Larry
He said 3-4 weeks labor at $100 an hour. 3. to. 4. Weeks. 8O
4 weeks to build a top :help: :?: Geez, my buddy Raymond builds 2 or 3 tops a week, very complex ones. That's insane. $1,500 for materials sounds about right. $2,000 in labor is the norm around here for most tops.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:07 am
by cape man
...on my console shim
"Bright work accent" sounds so much nicer, and I have had to explain it only once as a "shim". :D 8O Most just think I was so artistic...

With Cracker on the estimate. 3-4 weeks of welding for a T top is just ridiculous. My guys here crank out at least three a week. Sounds like he has never built one, and wants you to pay for him to learn.

Are you dead set on stainless as the material? Polished Aluminum looks as good, actually stands up to the elements as well, is a LOT lighter, and much cheaper. Almost all the ones here are aluminum.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:24 pm
by Fonda@kauai
I would think getting someone on the continent to oversee building and then slow-boating it to you would be the cheapest option. Less fun, but cheaper
Yeah you're probably right.
Geez, my buddy Raymond builds 2 or 3 tops a week, very complex ones. That's insane. $1,500 for materials sounds about right. $2,000 in labor is the norm around here for most tops.
I've seen his work, its amazing 8) I figured on 2-3k in labor, so 12k didn't even upset me, just gave me a good laugh :lol:
I wonder if he ships to Hawaii?
"Bright work accent" sounds so much nicer
"Shim" was just a typo. I saw a 6'4" lady with an Adam's apple walk by while I was typing. Honest mistake. I meant custom bright work. Unnecessary but beautiful :D
Are you dead set on stainless as the material?
Nope not at all. The 5-10 year old aluminum I see here on boats doesn't look too great. Probably from neglect, incorrect material selection, or bad welding practices. Even though it's a marine culture, I wouldn't be surprised if the welders here weren't following best practices. The stainless stuff looks brand new. The environment is basically tropical and right on the beach. How are the aluminum tops holding up over there after 10 years? I'm very open to all of your opinions. You're the only reliable source of info I have 8)
I did find a guy that does very pretty work on motorcycles, mostly stainless, that was willing to try. Would cost me around $2500. Nice guy but I'm a little hesitant to be the first T top he's done.
Here's a basic idea of what I wanted. More "square" than I would like, but I kinda gave up on custom curves after talking to my first few welders....
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The framing isn't really accurate or well thought out, just a very rough idea.
How long did you say Raymond's waiting list was again? :lol:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:01 pm
by Cracker Larry
Geez, my buddy Raymond builds 2 or 3 tops a week, very complex ones. That's insane. $1,500 for materials sounds about right. $2,000 in labor is the norm around here for most tops.
I've seen his work, its amazing 8) I figured on 2-3k in labor, so 12k didn't even upset me, just gave me a good laugh :lol:
I wonder if he ships to Hawaii?
Yes he will. I know he's sent tops to Europe and other places. He would never go for those straight lines in the pipes though. I've never seen him build anything without sexy curves :lol:

Craig is right about the aluminum, that's about all he uses for T-tops. It's less expensive, much lighter and holds up better than stainless. Aluminum is the way to go with a top frame.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:19 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Do you get any corrosion or pitting around the welds? As I understand it, welding removes the anodizing from the joint area, correct? Does that affect corrosion resistance? You pretty much got me sold on aluminum. You wouldn't happen to have Raymond's contact info would you? I remember you posted it, just can't remember where :doh:

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:30 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Went through the GF-18 thread and found Raymond's contact info. 8) He's scary good. I'm glad I have you guys to save me from myself :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:00 pm
by Cracker Larry
Went through the GF-18 thread and found Raymond's contact info. 8) He's scary good.
He's better than good :wink:

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Contact email- info at martinmarinedesign.com

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:50 am
by cape man
Aluminum holds up as good or better than stainless with the same care. Fresh water and some light soap. Florida is as harsh as Hawaii when it comes to things in the marine environment going to pot if left alone. For the same stiffness and strength, stainless is at least 50% heavier, and probably twice the price. If you're still worried you can get the whole thing powder coated which will cover the welds and add very little weight.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:25 am
by Dog Fish
A lot of aluminum tower builders go around the welds with permanent silver alum welder markers, but not all do. It matches so well you can't even tell it's on there.
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Brian.............

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:12 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Sounds like aluminum it is. I don't have any experience with it so wanted to ask the people that do 8) I sent Raymond an email, so hopefully we can work out shipping to Hawaii if he wants the project.
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Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:35 am
by cape man
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Took me a second...

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:52 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Still chipping. Got my guide-on's and a roller installed on the trailer. Still need at least one more roller and probably a few small bunks....
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All the rigging is done. Hydraulic steering, shift/throttle cables, main and tach wiring harness, power cables, and gas...
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Detachable boarding ladder mounts..
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And the console with controls and my custom wood accent finished...
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Got a hold of Raymond and I'm pretty sure the T top is a go, just gotta find someone willing to ship it. In the meantime I can install batteries and start wiring. Build on 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:47 am
by Cracker Larry
Nice work! That looks great 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:14 am
by TomTom
Your build looks awesome - regarding aluminium for T-Tops, I built both the one for my OD 18 (in Stainless) and the one on my C19 (in aluminum).

Trust me - aluminium is so much nicer and lighter. We can't get anodized aluminum here, so what I did was take it to about 2500 grit with sandpaper, and then buff it with a mixture of brasso (for polishing metal) and rubbing compound (like Turtle Wax) ... then I spray painted it with 2 pac clear coat (that they use as the final layer on cars)...

No oxygen can get to the Aluminum and it is still nice and shiny - only places that are looking a little corroded are where I have scratched the clear coat - e.g. where I tie my outrigger lines to the canopy frame.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:29 am
by jorgepease
looks great!!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:37 am
by cape man
Really nice wood accent at the base of the binnacle! 8)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:49 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi,
All the things you make on your boat turns out beautiful it is such a pleasure following your build and see the fantastic pictures you take of all the details of the boat. You said you mounted a bunk and a roller on the trailer. Can you buy these parts of the shelf in and then they fit straight away and how do you get the boat on and off the trailer for fitting this additions to the trailer ?
I am asking because I have to transfer my AD14 soon from the building frame onto the trailer and I have now already sleepless nights thinking how one does it the best way.
Greetings from Karl

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:46 pm
by wegcagle
Awesome! Not too much further now :D

Will

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:49 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks for the info and kind words :D
Originally, the trailer only came with these bunks. Everything else was added after the fact. I didn't have to take the boat off the trailer-
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When I moved my hull from the building cradle to the trailer these were the only supports. They are directly under the stringers, and extend about .5 meters forward of the center of gravity. The bow was resting on the trailer frame with a piece of 12 mm ply wrapped in a towel between the boat and the trailer. I was able to easily lift the bow an inch or so by hand, have my wife slide in a slightly larger piece of wood blocking as a temporary spacer, and mount this bow roller-
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I still need to add one more about .5 meter further up the tongue.
The guide on's didn't fit how they were supposed to, so I simply drilled and bolted them directly to the frame-
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Not pretty, but it works :lol: I'll probably still add some short bunks between the bow roller and factory bunks. Not sure yet. It's around 1.5 meters from the bunks to the bow roller. There isn't much weight at all on the bow, so I'm not sure that it needs it. I can lift the bow a few mm off the roller by hand. Tongue weight is around 150 lbs. Any way, all of my after market trailer supplies were bought at Discount Marine Supplies online. Hope that helps :)

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:26 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi,
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation of putting the boat on the trailer and for the tip about Discount Marine Supplies because they deliver worldwide.
I wish you a speedy end spurt for your build and hope to see still lots of pictures of your boat.
Greetings from Karl ( Austria )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:43 am
by glossieblack
Love the deck anti skid treatment - looks all class. :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:44 am
by PangaRon
Looks great! Thanks for the pictures!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:13 am
by Fonda@kauai
She's not exactly done, but she floats!!!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YZzdVj ... e=youtu.be[/youtube]
Still have some things to do, and of course install the T-top. TomW nailed the prop numbers right on the money. Incredible.
The boat handles like a dream. Didn't get video of it but ran headlong into some sloppy 1-2 footers and you couldn't even feel 'em :lol: Not as tender at rest as I imagined, and the sole floats a good 2" above the water line. I'm so incredibly happy :D This is the only boat I've ever been in with no transition from displacement to plane. No hole to climb out of. Just gradually push the throttle and suddenly you're planning 8O It was sweet :D Got the break in finished and can tell you, with a 70 she hauls serious ass. Not Cracker Larry's GF fast, but probably 35 knots. Sorry about the poor video quality, it was just my wife with her iPhone. I plan on having my photog buddy shoot some high def stuff so stay tuned. I'll post in the "Finished" section when the top is on, rub rails, etc.... Off to celebrate! oh and if the video link doesn't work just cut and paste :) Aloha!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:19 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
Congratulations on the splashing of your boat. The video is great just too short.
Greetings from Karl ( Austria )

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:15 am
by TomTom
That boat looks amazing - congratulations - you must be so pleased. Prettiest Panga I have ever seen.

I will interrogate you for fuel burn figures later!!!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:34 am
by glossieblack
Beautiful boat. 8) Congratulations. :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:06 am
by Fred in Wisc
Congratulations! That is a very sweet boat!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:28 pm
by Fuzz
That is very nice. Can not wait to see more video. Love Pangas, not enough of them being built.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:43 pm
by cape man
FINALLY!!!! Congratulations. She's gorgeous!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:43 pm
by cvincent
Now that's a Panga!! Your boat is a beautiful!

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:50 am
by Fonda@kauai
You guys sure do know how to make a guy feel good :D I really am over the moon with the boat. Jacques really did an awesome job designing her. Everywhere I've taken her has drawn a small crowd of people. It was a zoo at the ramp :lol: It's such a good feeling :D I parked it outside my mechanic's for a few minutes to get the trailer safety check, and when I spoke with him the next day he said he had 4 or 5 different people come in asking about the boat, who's it was and where I got it. I was only parked there for 5 minutes :lol: It's a pretty special feeling that only a few crazies get to experience and I feel really happy to be a part of it. I'll save my thank you's until she's totally done.
I still have a small punch list-
Rubrail
T-top
Kiwigrip sole
Console spray shield
Install HIN

After I get the HIN decal on (ordered yesterday) I'll take her out for some real pics. The Coast Guard was kind enough to let me run around the harbor without my HIN on. Love those guys 8) After everything's done I'll post in the "Finished" section. Oh and I almost forgot- "Malolo" was just a working name. I was talking to my neighbor, a bright eyed and razor sharp 96 year old Japanese U.S. veteran, (he was in pearl harbor when the Japanese bombed it!)and he said "looks like a sashimi knife, you should call it Sashimi". Since "panga" means knife in Spanish I thought it was fitting, so she's officially named "Sashimi".
Ok now pau :D

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:06 am
by glossieblack
Fonda@kauai wrote:Since "panga" means knife in Spanish I thought it was fitting, so she's officially named "Sashimi".
Ok now pau :D
Such a great name for your boat. 8) as.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:06 am
by glossieblack
Fonda@kauai wrote:Since "panga" means knife in Spanish I thought it was fitting, so she's officially named "Sashimi".
Ok now pau :D
Such a great name for your boat. 8) as.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:07 am
by glossieblack
Fonda@kauai wrote:Since "panga" means knife in Spanish I thought it was fitting, so she's officially named "Sashimi".
Ok now pau :D
Such a great name for your boat. 8) as.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:02 pm
by cape man
she's officially named "Sashimi".
Answers my question. Love it, especially given the source.

Re: The Malolo-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:42 am
by TomW1
Great name, can't wait to see the final pics.
Tom

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:50 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Ran out around 7:00 am for a quick fish. Headed back around 9:00 to run some errands. At one point we had a 4 way with all lines hooked up with mahi's, but being the only angler I only got 2 while my wife drove. It was mayhem for a while 8)
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Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:10 pm
by Jeff
Very nice!! Jeff

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:27 am
by Fuzz
Really nice! Bet those are some good eating.
Nothing better than a wife who will go fishing with you :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:00 am
by Cracker Larry
I love that name 8) Pretty dolphin, pretty wife too, pretty location, life is good :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:42 am
by cape man
Nice morning!

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:43 pm
by TomW1
Life looks good all the way around. :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:07 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks for the kind words. I absolutely love the Panga :D
life is good :D
You said it brother. Everyday is a gift!

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:07 am
by MrPaul
Nice! :D Do you ever chase any fish with a beak? We do striped marlin in pangas in Mexico sometimes. I think you've got a bigger (certainly nicer) panga than the charter boats we use.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:13 am
by Fonda@kauai
Do you ever chase any fish with a beak?
Of course :D But they're more incidental catches. Black marlin are pretty rare here, but the average fisherman will catch at least a few Blue marlin every year. Summer is Blue Marlin season, but even though they're here they don't act like they do in Mex. They don't "fin" on the surface, so strikes are either in the blind trolling or on free lined live aku. The 100-200 pounders are sometimes kept and smoked, but I usually release them. Especially the big breeder females. An 800 lb. marlin alongside the boat is scary :lol:
Spring is Hebi season (shortbill spearfish). Probably the best eating bill. Winter is striper season. They're tasty too 8) There's a handful of sails caught every year, but not much.
We usually have some kind of fishery happening. The summer Ahi madness and ono run will taper off in the next month, followed by a good Mahi run. Sept/Oct is also Bigeye and Albacore season at the buoys. They're caught from 20-60 fathoms on bait using "drop stone" or night fishing (ika shibi it's called). After that the deep snappers heat up in 60-120 fathoms (Onaga, Opakapaka, Gindai, Lehi, and Hapu'upu'u). That lasts us until Feb when we get a good Striped Marlin and Mahi run. In late spring the Ono and Ahi show up and it starts all over again :lol:

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:38 pm
by Fonda@kauai
The weather's been super windy, but had a chance this morning to run around Hanalei bay with some friends and catch a few fish. My wife snapped a few pics that I thought were nice. Don't be fooled by the placid looking river we launched from, it was 15-25 knot winds outside 8O Been one of the windiest summers any can remember. Can't wait for those glassy fall days. In other news my T-top has been shipped and is on the way :D Once that's installed I'll post up in the finished section.
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Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:48 pm
by MrPaul
That boat came out great! Love the colors. The panga looks like the perfect boat for you. It gets you off shore for the big fish and it looks like it will run the shallows as well.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:33 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Thanks MrPaul. It really is the perfect boat for us. The river I'm going out of there is too shallow for most boats here, so my ride to the Na Pali is a good 20-30 minutes shorter thanks to the shallow draft. It's very light and easy for one person to trailer and handle. Seaworthiness and economy were my priorities and that's exactly what it does. She's a real joy to use :D In a following sea I keep expecting her to want to bow steer or act funny, but it tracks perfectly straight. With a full load of 4 people and gear I'm getting around 55-5600 rpm at WOT. Does that seem about right? That's the absolute heaviest load, and I usually fish with just 2 maybe 3 people. 4 is definitely doable and there's plenty of room, but 2-3 is perfect for this boat.
The fuel burn is really impressive, still can't get my head around it :doh: Went fishing with the wife for a few hours, came back and refueled and it only took a little over 2 gallons to fill. I'm not complaining, just seems surprising. Checked my sender and gauge and it's working fine :doh:
I don't have any pics of the finished product, but here is the top under construction...
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Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:45 pm
by TomW1
Fonda@kauai wrote:Thanks MrPaul. It really is the perfect boat for us. The river I'm going out of there is too shallow for most boats here, so my ride to the Na Pali is a good 20-30 minutes shorter thanks to the shallow draft. It's very light and easy for one person to trailer and handle. Seaworthiness and economy were my priorities and that's exactly what it does. She's a real joy to use :D In a following sea I keep expecting her to want to bow steer or act funny, but it tracks perfectly straight. With a full load of 4 people and gear I'm getting around 55-5600 rpm at WOT. Does that seem about right? That's the absolute heaviest load, and I usually fish with just 2 maybe 3 people. 4 is definitely doable and there's plenty of room, but 2-3 is perfect for this boat.
The fuel burn is really impressive, still can't get my head around it :doh: Went fishing with the wife for a few hours, came back and refueled and it only took a little over 2 gallons to fill. I'm not complaining, just seems surprising. Checked my sender and gauge and it's working fine :doh:
I don't have any pics of the finished product, but here is the top under construction...
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Your full load rpms of 55-5600 rpms with 4 people sounds just fine. Extra weight will cause the reduction in rpms. Nice looking T-top also.

Tom

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:58 am
by Fred in Wisc
That is a sweet boat. And a great place to fish.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:58 pm
by cape man
I love my OD18, but that girl is just sexy! If it could run with a 40 (which I had when deciding what boat to put on it) I would have built that Panga instead. Love the lines. Much better/sexier than the traditional Pangas in the islands.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:32 pm
by MrPaul
I've always liked the efficiency of the pangas. We've gone fishing all day on one in Mexico and were running with 2 6 gallon tanks and came back with gas to spare. When we first went fishing on a panga I thought about buying one to fish here in the Gulf of Mexico. I just don't know how it would handle the 2-3' chop that's 3 to 5 seconds crest to crest. Unfortunatley we don't get into 50' of water until we're about 45 miles out and that makes nasty chop the norm. I'd have to pick rare days to fish if I wanted to avoid the chop. Being able to fish for big game fish so efficiently would be a dream come true for me.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:41 pm
by Marshall Moser
Beautiful boat and a beautiful island. Congrats on the splash. I look forward to seeing it with the t-top.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:00 pm
by Fuzz
MrPaul wrote:I've always liked the efficiency of the pangas. We've gone fishing all day on one in Mexico and were running with 2 6 gallon tanks and came back with gas to spare. When we first went fishing on a panga I thought about buying one to fish here in the Gulf of Mexico. I just don't know how it would handle the 2-3' chop that's 3 to 5 seconds crest to crest. Unfortunatley we don't get into 50' of water until we're about 45 miles out and that makes nasty chop the norm. I'd have to pick rare days to fish if I wanted to avoid the chop. Being able to fish for big game fish so efficiently would be a dream come true for me.
Maybe I am wrong but I would think a Panga would eat short chop. Maybe better than just about any other design. Maybe Fonda can tell us his thoughts on the subject :doh:

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:47 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Your full load rpms of 55-5600 rpms with 4 people sounds just fine
I figured as much, just wanted to double check with those who know 8)
That is a sweet boat
Thanks Fred. It rides better than it looks!
Much better/sexier than the traditional Pangas in the islands.
I agree :D I really love the lines of the OD as well. Jacques has a real eye for design aesthetics :!: I imagine designing a boat is much like building one- part artistry, part science. I get compliments every time I take her around. You know the feeling 8) A 50 is really the low end of power for the PG22, a 70 is probably perfect, and a 90 is probably over kill.
I just don't know how it would handle the 2-3' chop that's 3 to 5 seconds crest to crest
Jacques Pangas will eat that like a platter of Bigeye sashimi at a bateau builder meet :lol: It's a great design. I've been out in that and worse already with mine and it was no problem. If I was going out 45 miles regularly I'd want the 25 probably. The 22 will do it of course, but the further I go, the bigger the boat I like. I've rarely gone past 8 miles out on any boat here. Caught this little guy around 3 miles out on a buddies boat. That's me on the left :D
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Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:41 am
by Fuzz
Nice "Little Guy" :D :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:04 pm
by cape man
Going to copy your paint scheme on the Swift Canoe I'm building! The white bottom on that light green is nice, and guess what colors I have!

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:41 pm
by MrPaul
Sounds like it would make a great boat for king fishing. Maybe 15 to 20 miles out. Close enough to run home if it gets nasty.
Caught this little guy around 3 miles out on a buddies boat.
Man...I'm green with envy. We've got to go out at least 70 miles to get those. Maybe I should move to Hawaii and build a panga. Looking forward to seeing some pics of you catching a bill fish in your panga.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:46 am
by BarraMan
This video was made by a couple of mates fishing just off Sydney, Australia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OisvowLsR2s

The guy driving the boat is from just outside Chicago. When not fishing you'll find him driving a high speed ferry on Sydney harbour.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:03 am
by Fonda@kauai
Nice BarraMan! Good on them for the release too, I usually prefer to let them go as well.
Going to copy your paint scheme on the Swift Canoe I'm building!
I got the idea from FamilyMan's OD18. At least I think that was his handle. I love seafoam green on a boat! I still have a plenty of the Sterling green left, it's yours if you need it!
Sounds like it would make a great boat for king fishing. Maybe 15 to 20 miles out
Yep it would do that with ease. If you ever make it over for vacation I'd be happy to take you out 8)

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:38 am
by cape man
Thanks for the offer on the paint, but I have it already and want to start this weekend. Not Sterling :( ...

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:23 am
by MrPaul
If you ever make it over for vacation I'd be happy to take you out 8)
I'd love to go out there one of these days and sincerely appreciate the invite. We'd be happy to take you fishing here as well but I don't think it's quite the experience that you get from fishing in your own back yard. I've got to finish my boat before I can go on vacation . My wife wants to park her car in the garage again without getting it covered in sawdust. :lol: I figure her car will get 6-12 months garage time before we start building an offshore boat. :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:38 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Well, I started looking for a T-top around 4-5 months ago, and today picked up the finished product at the docks...
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The shade area is a little over 7' long and around 5' wide. Plenty of shade. I found a nice seafoam green canvas Sunbrella color that matches the paint, so pretty happy about that. The fabricator also used a nice snap system to secure the canvas.
It's been insanely windy here, so as soon as it calms down I'll get a pic of it in the boat. I also ordered a few more quarts of kiwi-grip just to be safe when I do the floor. Finally! I can't wait to finish this girl and post in the "Finished" section! :D
Any tips for how to isolate the stainless screws from the feet?
The weather has been hellacious, the windiest I can remember, but we had 2 calm days a few weeks ago and I got out there...
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Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:44 pm
by Jeff
Nice T-Top, can't wait to see it on your boat!!! Jeff

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:28 pm
by glossieblack
Nice T-top for a very nice boat. Well done. 8)

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:51 am
by topwater
Tef Gel by forespar for the stainless screws going into aluminum .You can get it at amazon if you can't find locally . Nice top 8)
I also like your outrigger pole holders :)

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:12 pm
by TomW1
Nice T-top. That will come in handy in your sun.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:06 pm
by Fonda@kauai
Post by glossieblack ยป Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:28 pm
Nice T-top for a very nice boat. Well done. 8)
Thanks, you're level of craftsmanship continues to amaze 8)
Tef Gel by forespar for the stainless screws going into aluminum
Thanks, just ordered a tube :D I'll need some better outriggers eventually, but I had some copper laying around.

Thanks for the kind words gents, I'm pretty excited about getting her finished :D

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:21 pm
by cape man
Looking sweet! Nice top!

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:14 pm
by geronimo1111
Fonda, did you get the t-top installed yet?

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:22 pm
by Fred in Wisc
Fonda,

I'll be on Kauai Aug 20-26th. If you're around, I'd love to meet you and take a look at that boat in person!

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:21 pm
by bateau-webmaster
:oops: Long overdue Upgrade. :oops: Bateau Builder Status granted.

Re: Sashimi-panga22-Kauai

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:01 pm
by geronimo1111
Fonda, any updates on the panga?

How's it working out for you?