ST21 'Skinnydip' build, and boating adventures, Noosa, Australia

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Re: ST21 'Skinnydip' build, and boating adventures, Noosa, Australia

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Beautiful GB!!!! Jeff

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How much structure will be needed inside :doh:

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It is looking good GB. You taking a sail this year on the big boat, it is about time?

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Thanks cape man, Jeff, Fuzz and Tom. :D
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm How much structure will be needed inside :doh:
Internal structure: floors, floor boards; thwarts, cleats, knees; gunwales, stern and bow quarter knees. External structure: keel, skeg, bilge runners, rubbing strakes at sheerline.
TomW1 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:11 pm You taking a sail this year on the big boat, it is about time?
Yes we're itching to go sailing again this year to Great Barrier Reef tropical waters - it's past time!

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glossieblack wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:00 am Thanks cape man, Jeff, Fuzz and Tom. :D
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm How much structure will be needed inside :doh:
Internal structure: floors, floor boards; thwarts, cleats, knees; gunwales, stern and bow quarter knees. External structure: keel, skeg, bilge runners, rubbing strakes at sheerline.
TomW1 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:11 pm You taking a sail this year on the big boat, it is about time?
Yes we're itching to go sailing again this year to Great Barrier Reef tropical waters - it's past time!

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Great GB I am up here getting snowed on and figured you would be making your plans. :D

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Re: ST21 'Skinnydip' build, and boating adventures, Noosa, Australia

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Thanks Tom. In the 1970s we lived four years in Toronto and rural Quebec Canada, then three years in New York City and Philadelphia. As Aussies who had never seen serious snow, we loved being snowed on, or even better, being snowed in. Magical. All at once the classic literature and music canons resonated. As did the carnal arousal of spring! :wink:

Today I was messing around, gradually clearing out the shed (you'd call it the shop), in preparation for moving home, when it dawned: don't build Feather Pram's thwarts using vacuum bagged ply over foam to save weight even though the edge details are going to look like shit. Instead, go with ply over a skeletal timber frame (like an aero wing or first gen surf paddle), even if it weighs a couple of more pounds. Stick with what you know and enjoy stupid. KISS stupid! :roll:

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The ugly edge is easy to fix with an epoxied on veneer.

That said, I think your driver for the decision needs to be the "requirement" not the look or comfort in building. If you NEED the lightest possible boat then you need to seriously consider the foam core. If it really is about providing Fuzz with boat porn then consider the over frame as it is devilishly sexy (unless I do it, then is it satanically hideous) and Fuzz likely needs some excitement until the sun returns in his neck of the woods.

No matter which way you go, I'm sure the result will be both functional and a glory to behold.
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Re: ST21 'Skinnydip' build, and boating adventures, Noosa, Australia

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What about removable, drop-in seats and deck? Put them in and out like gear you are going to carry, and then their weight doesn't matter. I bet you can then get the hull with skeg, thwart(s), knees, and support for the seats and deck below your 40lb target and make them out of solid timber.
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cape man wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:44 am What about removable, drop-in seats and deck? Put them in and out like gear you are going to carry, and then their weight doesn't matter. I bet you can then get the hull with skeg, thwart(s), knees, and support for the seats and deck below your 40lb target and make them out of solid timber.
That sounds like a smart idea to me :D

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Thanks Jaysen, cape man, and Fuzz. :D
cape man wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:44 am What about removable, drop-in seats and deck? Put them in and out like gear you are going to carry, and then their weight doesn't matter. I bet you can then get the hull with skeg, thwart(s), knees, and support for the seats and deck below your 40lb target and make them out of solid timber.
Currently, the hull skin is flexi as. At only a little over 20 pounds, each time I manhandle her, it feels like I'm handling jelly. She'll require permanent fixed thwarts to make her stiff enough to manhandle between car top and shorelines.

I've set myself the tasks of building her manhandable, light as possible, while still looking the goods.

I went to my two long term premium suppliers of dressed all round soft and hardwood today, and discussed my desired timber list to finish Feather Pram. They both looked at me as though I was from a previous world, mumbled Covid19, and advised me to either rethink, or settle in for a long wait.

I want to get her done, so I've decided to fit out Feather Pram's internals with laminations of okume marine plywood pieced together from offcuts from Skinnydip's and Feather Pram's build.

I made a start this afternoon, and it's feeling good. Will post pics tomorrow.:D
Currently building Jacques Mertens ST21 "Skinnydip". Boating adventures: Splash testing and using 'Skinnydip, as a basis of further building refinement; Adams 44’ sailing sloop "Great Sandy" (cruising and maintaining); Iain Oughtred Feather Pram "Mini Dip" (building); Jacques Mertens R13 "Wood Duck" (built and due for maintenance).

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