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Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:25 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacquesmm,
I got the epoxy kit in about a week or so back but I have not been able to get started until now. I have been in great pain with my shoulder. The packing list shows 1.5 gallons of EZ fillet, I receive a 1 gallon kit. If this is sufficient that's fine, if not please ship the balance when you can.
One additional note: Double bag the graphite powder for shipping!!! Mine developed a small hole in the bag and it was a heck of a mess! LOL :lol:

As I'm unfamiliar with some of the products in the kit I have to ask these questions:

1. Am I supposed to use the GelMagic adhesive for Transom lay up? If not, do I use the Silvertip epoxy without any filler?

2. Is the Ez Fillet used in place of wood flour for making fillets by itself or do I mix it with ST epoxy??

3. Is the Quickfair used on it's own or is it mixed with ST to make a fairing compound?

4. Is the 4" wide 9oz. fiberglass tape or the 6" biaxial 12 oz. used for making long panels?

Thank You for patience, I'm not a boat builder yet, but I plan to be!!
God Bless You,
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:30 pm
by Dougster
I'll chime in for now;

1. Am I supposed to use the GelMagic adhesive for Transom lay up? If not, do I use the Silvertip epoxy without any filler?

GelMagic is a stand alone product, and works best as a glue. Yes for the transom. Do not mix ST with it. ST is the "champagne" of epoxy resin, best used for wetting out glass. You may consider ordering a bit of Marinepoxy for general purpose use. You can mix epoxy in the 2:1 ratio and add wood flour to get a thicker consistency. A little thick makes glue, thicker makes fillets.

2. Is the Ez Fillet used in place of wood flour for making fillets by itself or do I mix it with ST epoxy??

Same answer as 1. EZ Fillet is very nice and best used exclusively for fillets. Again, you can make your own with general purpose epoxy (marinepoxy) and wood flour, but start wih the EZ stuff to see what you're looking for.

3. Is the Quickfair used on it's own or is it mixed with ST to make a fairing compound?

Same answer. Quickfair is lovely stuff, pricey, and a stand alone fairing compound. As in the above, you can make your own compound, but instead of woodflour you buy a fairing powder at Bateau to blend with general purpose resin.

It will become more clear as you use the products.

Hopin' that helps Dougster

4. Is the 4" wide 9oz. fiberglass tape or the 6" biaxial 12 oz. used for making long panels?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:00 am
by Eric1
Thank you Dougster!! Big Help!!! :D :D :D

Does anyone know if Jacques is ok? I hav not seen him on the forum in a while. Just concerned for him.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:48 am
by terrulian
Eric,
I think what a lot of builders do with Quick Fair is start with a cheaper blend mentioned by Dougster for fairing, typically epoxy mixed with microballoons and silica (which is an additive that helps control sag). You can mix these to a thickness appropriate for the job. This is messier and takes longer to cure but does the job. Then after a round or two of filling and sanding, switch to Quick Fair for final fairing. It really does work better but is a bit pricey to use for all the fairing on the boat.

PS sorry about the shoulder pain!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:54 pm
by Eric1
Thanks terrulian! :)

Jacques , I found the EZ Fillet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:58 pm
by kcinnick
Jacques has open heart surgery a couple days ago, there are a few threads on it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:23 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for letting me know,
I will have him in my prayers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:14 am
by mmachonis
Eric,

My name is Mark Machonis. I am about to start building the C21 also. I do not have any boat building experience. I have read several boat building books prior to embarking on this project. I just received my kit and will be ordering the Silver Tip Epoxy kit this week. I have a few things to get done around my house before I get started. I am hoping for next Friday. I was wondering if we could keep in contact directly to discuss our progress and our challenges. My email address is mmachonis@comcast.net.

Mark

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:45 am
by mmachonis
Hey Eric,

I had an idea to build my center console first to get familiar with the Epoxy Systems and the Paint System before I start the main Hull Structure.

Mark

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:59 pm
by PrometheusNL
Whenever i start trying something new like epoxy glue or filleting or even a new tool i bought. I test it out on a couple of scraps of wood and see how it behaves.

Why not make a wood box with filets fiberglass or something else you wish to make.

I find that the time spent experimenting the tool or technique will benifit me more over the duration of the build then if i started right away and ran into problems and got stuck on stupid stuff.

Now i'm somebody that likes to know what they are doing before ever doing it so i went a bit overboard i built a scale model of my fl12 just for fun :)

Glad Jaques din't charge me the extra build on the boat plans ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:12 pm
by Fuzz
Building something for a test is a great idea! I much prefer to run outboards in a tank rather than a hose so I built a tank on casters for that use. Got to learn about epoxy and got the tank I wanted out of the deal.
Fuzz

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:54 pm
by Eric1
Ok Fellas,

I got the first backing board glued to transom. That Gelmagic is thick as camel snot!! :lol:
Hardest thing I had to figure out was how much to mix. I mixed a small batch (6ozs.) then I could get an idea of how much to bond both surfaces. I only layed up the first backing board as I want to see how it cures. Being a machine shop owner I have plenty of weights around the shop in the form of stainless steel drops. I put about 450 pounds on the lay up that should be good enough.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm
by Matt Gent
450lbs is a lot! You'll see lots of pictures around here with a few epoxy jugs or paint cans on top of a laminate.

You just need enough to get even pressure across the surface, doesn't need a huge clamping force. With lots of force you can risk squeezing out some of your epoxy at the highly loaded spots.

I also like to have something to locate the boards relative to each other - either an edge to index on, or even better a couple of small dowels. I've had a couple sheets try to slip around as they cure, only takes a slight angle to make it slide.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:32 pm
by jacquesmm
Matt is correct. Epoxy is gap filling. Do not squeeze all the glue out with so much pressure. The bond will not be as string if you squeeze the glue out.
Most of our pictures show pressure applied with the weight of a couple of CBS blocks or paint cans.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:04 pm
by Eric1
Well Crap. It's a done deal at this point. I use less pressure on the stringers. There was not a lot of glue that was squeezed out, hopefully I'm ok. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:39 pm
by Eric1
Well had a major goof today. I cut the wrong Motor well brackets. I planned on a single motor and cut the brackets for the twin motor set up.

So I have fiberglassed the waste back to the top of the cut piece. I'll only need about 3 inches at the top of the bracket to make the correction. I believe this will be fine for two reasons: First the thrust vector of the outboard will not be directed at the very top of the transom and second, I plan on full transom so this surface will be boxed in.

Word of advise, Never cut anything without a clear mind. I'd left the hospital to check on my Father, he had quadruple bypass last Sunday and recovery is going tough on him. I had hoped to escape life and cut some plywood today. Not the best of ideas. :cry: [-o<

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:47 pm
by Steven
Hope your dad recovers well. Don't sweat the goofs. We all make them. I cut the stern end of my bottom panels backwards. You can see the wedge I glued back on. :)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:59 pm
by Eric1
So much Fun! HAHAHAAA

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:00 am
by Eric1
Transom Lay up!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:07 am
by Eric1
Testing another route

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:44 pm
by Steven
Is that your strongback? Make sure it is screwed/bolted together firmly. You might want to add some support to keep it from racking. I don't have a great picture, but you can make out the 2x4 diagonal I attached to the bottom.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:30 pm
by Eric1
I plan to reinforce as I go. It's pretty stable as it is, I used OSB in the corners and joints to stiffen it. Made a world of difference. Thanks for the Tip!! :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:47 pm
by Steven
I didn't make out those osb triangles. Those should be good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:33 am
by Eric1
I still need an answer on using the 4" for joining long and stringers panels.
I read through the notes and the lamination schedule but I'm not finding the answer.
I made some progress yesterday. I cut and mounted the motorwell sides to the transom and made the bow mold.
I hope to get all the forms on the strongback this week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:30 pm
by jacquesmm
Eric1 wrote:I still need an answer on using the 4" for joining long and stringers panels.
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What is the question? Stringers do not require any butt block or anything to join the two layers. The seams are offset, you just glue the two layers together.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:58 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jacques, I assumed one needed to add a strip of glass on the seam.
Is the 4" inch tape correct to use use on frame "G" and the side/bottom panels?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:01 pm
by jacquesmm
I don't use any tape over the puzzle joints.
The joints will be covered by a good number of fiberglass later.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:11 pm
by Eric1
I don't have a pre cut kit. I'm cutting these out myself. I will simply have butt joints.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:02 pm
by jacquesmm
Sorry, there is a C21 kit builder that is posting regularly.

For you, same thing for the stringers: the seams are offset and no need for a fiberglass splice BUT for the hull panels, you should use a splice. You need a fiberglass splice. I may mention it in the notes but if I don't, one layer of biaxial tape each side. On the outside, grind the plywood down a little bit to reduce the need for fairing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:02 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I finally got all the frames in place and I'm ready to cut out the hull. I had to put the build on hold for a number of reasons, including my 76 year old Dad have emergency quadruple bypass. On DWG# E226/7 it shows the layout for these pieces. The sides are clear to me but not the bottom panel. Are the curves on the bottom spaced at 2' like the sides or are they all spaced like the bow end (last section) at 1'-11 1/2". Thanks for clearing this up for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:22 am
by jacquesmm
Yes, every 24".
There is a part that is a straight line, it is marked straight but after that, we measure every 24".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:27 am
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

Thank you for the answers. :) I have another. When I apply the biax cloth to the hull, do I wrap along the length or from side to side? I don't want to mis use the cloth. I'm thinking along the length would be easier to fair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:24 am
by jacquesmm
Lengthwise.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:45 pm
by Eric1
Well today I was able to put the bottom on the jig. I zip tied at 1,3,6,9 and 12 feet just to keep the panel loosely in place. It looks pretty good but when I tried to push the bow together the panel want to jump over each other between the last frame and bow mold.
I looked in the gallery at Stefan's C21 build. It looks like he used copper wire about every 4 inches. I also noticed his bow mold appears to be a good bit higher than mine.
First thing tomorrow I am checking the height on bow mold. I'm sure I have it set 1/2" below baseline at the center. Once I confirm it's correct, I plan to add zip ties every 4 inches.
All I know is something is not right, this is my plan to try to find out what's off.

Signed,

Determined Old Fart

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:10 am
by jacquesmm
For the bow mold, don't set it up with the baseline. Instead, line it up at the keel. It must be flush with the last mold.
Which type of wood do you use?
If necessary, you cut a slice off where the panels interfere. Often, 1/2" is all what it takes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:16 pm
by Eric1
Ok, I'm confused as a cross eyed rooster. I'm not understanding where I should have bow mold vertically.
May I ask you to draw a picture for me?
I double checked my mold spacing and it is correct and I was at 1/2" below baseline on the bow mold. I used the base line to level all the other molds , so I assumed this was correct from the drawing that shows the mold dimensions.

To answer your question, I have used Okoume 1088. I had thought trimming the panel may be needed as when I layed these out the short curve was a bit difficult so they may be off a little.

Can you tell I've never built a boat? :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:29 am
by Eric1
Any luck with the missing posts on this thread?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:33 am
by jacquesmm
I am working on it as fast as I can. I guess it will take me a full day, I have to go through them one at a time.
Feel free to post the same question, I will answer.
I remember that you had flipped the panel: keel side to chine side but there was also a question about trimming.
What is that you want to trim?
With the panel in the correct position, it should match now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:07 am
by Eric1
There is the rub, I had the keel side correct.

A couple of things I've noticed: When I have brought the panel together to form the bow I noted both outside edges do not touch the edge of frame "B" and the panel are above the inside stringers about 1"-1 1/2".

Right now the plan is to mount a ledger board at centerline from frame "B" to frame "A".
Then pull each bottom panel to the bow mold one at a time. First pressing the panel down to the edge of frame "B" and zip tiying it in place. Continue to form panel down to inside stringer and zip tie it in place within a 1/4" of touching stringer.
Finally bring panel down to bow mold and zip tie it in place.
Once in place I will get underneath the panel and mark the centerline onto the panel. Then I plan to trim off the edge outside of the marked line.

There is so much stress in the plywood right now I doubt filled epoxy is going to hold it together when I remove the zip ties.
I am considering using some 6oz plain weave cloth to make 2" wide x 6" long reinforcing strips to be added after the fillede epoxy is in place.

Plan B is not a great idea. Try to use small screws (10-32) and large flat washers above and small washers below the panels to keep the plywood from jumping over each other.

All that said, I'm stepping away from this until this weekend I'm stressed and I need a break. Wish I had a Mentor to help me at this point.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:58 am
by jacquesmm
Can you please post pictures?
If you can't post pictures, email them to me at
support@e-boat.net

We can try to discuss it without pictures but that will be very difficult.

Try this first:
- are all you stitches loose? I mean loose with about 1" play?
- are you working on the bottom panel only or on the bottom and side panels at the same time?
- did you go to our gallery and searched with the word C21? I found many pictures of the building including this one:
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and that one:
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and this:
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That is a C21 and that is how your panels should look.
Look for the album named
Stefans C21 Album

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:01 am
by jacquesmm
Do not look at everything at the same time, do not worry about the stringers or a gap between panels and frames.
Focus on getting the panels together and form a fair shape.
The bow will want to pull away from the bow mold, that is why we have a bow mold: to pull the panels back closer to the mold but only after everything is fair and smooth.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:48 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

Yes I have reviewed Stephan's C21 photos.
I have been trying to fit/form only the bottom panels, which I had gaped with a small nail.
I will reset the panels with an inch of play.

I shall go ahead and make the side panels, I thought I had to get the bottom panels together then add the sides.

I sent a test email an photo to you.
Thank You Sir

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:38 pm
by jacquesmm
I got the test pictures but it does not show the bow. Keep sending pics, let me see the bow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:37 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I finally had a few minutes to work on my issues with the bottom panels. I decided before I cut away any material I would re measure everything. I found the bow mold and frame "A" was off center by 3/8". That made a big difference in the keel issues. I will still have to cut some of the bottom panels away from keel edge, but it will be about a 1/4" or so.
Having found and corrected the issue, I'm comfortable moving forward. Next, I will cut the sides out and make the long boards. Hope to have more time for this project next week.

Eric :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:54 pm
by jacquesmm
Thanks for the updates.
To have the frames off by 3/8 explains it.
I am glad you discovered it before trimming the panels.
Still, to trim a little bit is perfectly OK, a small gap along the keel and bow is perfectly fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:04 pm
by jacquesmm
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Problem solved. :D
It looks very nice and fair now.
And no plywood wasted.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:47 am
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I'm going to layout the side panels today. I just want to confirm I'm drawing my points correctly. On Dwg#E226/7 look at the lower panel, at the 8 foot point you show two points. The first is 3/8" and the second is 2'2".
The 2'2" is measured from the edge of the plywood correct?
In other words, I do not measure it from the 3/8" mark (3/8" + 2'2").

I just want to confirm I doing this so I don't run into alignment issues with the side panels.

Thank You again for your help.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:20 pm
by Eric1
Jacques, The question must stand. Upon laying out the side panels it appears these dimensions are incremental.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:41 pm
by jacquesmm
They are incremental.
The drafting on that plan dates from 25 years ago. Right now, I show everything always from the same baseline but here the dimensions are incremental.
You can see that by looking at other dimensions a little further to the left: the arrows clearly point to one side first then to the next one.
Look at the one starting with 3-1/2" followed by a 2' 2". That is how the dimensions are set.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:20 pm
by Eric1
Ok, That's what I thought. Thanks for the quick reply!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:15 am
by Eric1
Just a quick update, I got the first side panel hung and it lined up perfectly! The second on is curing. I decided to take a break from work and building and hit the trout stream. I had two on line line briefly, they spit the hooks. I did manage to catch a smallmouth, a knottyhead, two trees and a cable I didn't see. My fishing buddy and I have seen over dozen snakes, He thinks they are all copper heads but they are just banded water snakes. Still tons of fun watching his reaction!!!! Y'all have a blessed weekend.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:49 am
by Eric1
Jacques,

Is it alright to Epoxy and appy the 6" biaxial tape to the keel and chine seams before I hang and position the 2 upper side panels?
The reason I ask is It will be much easier for me to have access to the under side of the plywood. Not much fun having bad knees.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:22 pm
by jacquesmm
Don't put anything on the inside until you flip the hull, only the outside.
If you are talking about the outside layer, yes, no problem.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:19 pm
by Eric1
Yes just the outside, Thank you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:31 pm
by Eric1
Jacques,

Just to make certain, I use the EZ Fillet to bond the bottom and side panels to the Transom, correct?
Also regarding the Transom bond, I zip tie these panels as tight as possible (flush)?

I'm assuming I wait to fill the gap form by the transom and bottom panel.

I'm going back through my tie points and adding a small sectio of PVC pipe to keep the panels in position. That is a neat trick I saw on the forum.


Thank in advance,

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:51 pm
by jacquesmm
Eric1 wrote:Jacques,

Just to make certain, I use the EZ Fillet to bond the bottom and side panels to the Transom, correct?
Yes, you build a fillet with the EZ Fillet and follow with fiberglass tape.

Also regarding the Transom bond, I zip tie these panels as tight as possible (flush)?
I screw the sides and bottom to the transom with temporary drywall screws but not too tight, I don't want a flat there. You can zip tie too then use EZ fillet to fill the gap.

I'm assuming I wait to fill the gap form by the transom and bottom panel.

I'm going back through my tie points and adding a small sectio of PVC pipe to keep the panels in position. That is a neat trick I saw on the forum.


Thank in advance,

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:43 pm
by Eric1
Remind me to buy you a nice dinner next time
I'm in Florida. Your help is invaluable!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 8:13 pm
by Eric1
Jacques,

I'm moving right along with the EZ Fillet. That is some amazing stuff! Should I use this where the side panels overlap?
I may need to order more. I'm not sure I'll have enough pot life to bond the side panels at one time. I think I should order another gallon epoxy kit and some wood flour. What say you?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:22 am
by jacquesmm
Use real glue between the side panels: GelMagic.
Pot life may be short but once it is spread over a large area, the gel time increases significantly.
If your pot life is 8 minutes, once it is spread (with a notched trowel), it increases easily to 30 minutes.

Another tip is to put the Gelmagic components in the refrigerator before use. More difficult to mix but much longer pot life.
And for that stage, get a helper.
Or, if you haven't assembled the long panels, install one at a time but do a dry run first for alignement and mark with a pencil.

Some builders use more resin that others. If you need more, order it on time, don;t get stopped waiting for materials.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 5:04 pm
by Eric1
I am getting close to applying the biaxial tape. I the keel line ready to sand and and then I'll have to mount the last side panels. waiting on more Gel Magic to arrive for that. I was going to sand the keel line today but I'm tired from a long week. Plan on resting this weekend and starting back Monday. I can't say enough how helpful Jacques has been with this build. I am learning a lot along the way and I am enjoying it very much. Maybe I'm a bit crazy but I am feeling rather proud of my boat. I don't even have a finished hull and I am getting a lot of compliments!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:38 am
by jacquesmm
Nothing wrong with being proud of your work.
You wouldn't believe how many builders admit that after a day of work on the boat, they sit there admiring their job. I have done it many times.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:21 pm
by Eric1
I got the upper side panels on today! I used 16oz. per panel of Gel Magic.
I am Super pleased with the form and lines the boat has. I sent Jacques photos and I'm hoping he can find time to post them here for everyone to enjoy. That's all for today, I have to prepare for an awards ceremony for my eldest daughter. She is graduating high school with honors!!! Her plans are to attend culinary arts school to become a Pastry Chef.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:47 pm
by jacquesmm
Oooh, a pastry chef . . .
That can be great career plus, you can eat all her homework.
I got the pictures and will post them tomorrow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 11:33 am
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I am ready to apply the fiberglass tape! This has brought me to another question. As I tape the transom and bow there is a square corner created by the over lap of the plywood trim line. Do I cut the tape at those corners or should I build that area with the EZ Fillet? I'm concerned because fiberglass never likes to form on a square corner, well maybe 4oz, but I can't see the 12oz doing it!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 11:40 am
by jacquesmm
Round all edges before applying the glass. A radius of 3/8" should be fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:04 pm
by Eric1
I applied the first tape layer to transom today. I uploaded images to gallery (Eric's C21).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 12:19 pm
by Eric1
Posted a few more photos today. Today i learned what planking is! Being a short man, I'm standing on a table to reach the keel. If you look at photo #15 on the right side of photo you will see where I cleaned up the epoxy spill. The table pushed out from under my feet and I was left with my belly being the only thing in contact with the boat!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

No more today, I have my daughter's high school graduation to prepare for tonight. :D 8) :D
Hope you enjoy the photos.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 6:50 am
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I will start laminating the transom today. Should I overlap the transom with cloth when I lay up? Also should I overlap when I laminate the bottom?

Thanks Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:44 am
by jacquesmm
Yes, overlap everywhere, over all seams.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:42 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I over lapped the first layer by 5 inches. I plan to go 6" on the next layer. That put me at 109" of 52" cloth. I used 4 each 12 ounce batches and 1 batch at 3 oz. Doe that sound about right to you? I posted a photo in my gallery.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:45 pm
by jacquesmm
Make the next overlaps smaller. As long as the edges are not on top of each other you will be fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:56 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jacques,
I'll drop them back to 3".


Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:34 pm
by Eric1
Just finished the second layer of glass on Transom. It was 103" x 52, used 48 oz of mixed epoxy. It was much more difficult than yesterday, Temp. was 87 degrees inside. Epoxy would go to a thickened state (like honey in about 10 minutes), therefore fabric didn't wet out as easily. Batch size was 12 oz. Over all I'm happy with the progress.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:52 pm
by jacquesmm
Mix smaller batches and/or, store your epoxy in AC or in a fridge.
Once it begins to gel, you can't use it anymore.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:01 pm
by Eric1
It never got to a gel state, but it was thicker than yesterday. As warmer day are going to be the norm for a while i will use the fridge trick. Plus I'll do my glass work in the morning rather than after lunch. I'm concerned about glassing the bottom, The transom layers take me about 1.5 hours and that is not 3 yards of glass!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:34 am
by topwater
When you do the bottom have somebody mix the epoxy while you spread it. Dump it on the hull
and use a spreader to wet out the glass, the faster you get it out of the mixing cup the more
working time you will have.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:54 pm
by Eric1
topwater wrote:When you do the bottom have somebody mix the epoxy while you spread it. Dump it on the hull
and use a spreader to wet out the glass, the faster you get it out of the mixing cup the more
working time you will have.
Thanks for the tip Topwater!

This is my plan, I'll premeasure epoxy and have it ready for my helper to mix. I plan on moving fast on the bottom! I'm going to make a couple of drawings for the glass layup to see what Jacques recommends. The fabric is running right at 52" so I want to plan the overlaps carefully.

I completed the third and final layer on the transom this morning. It was 101" x 52", used 46.5 oz's of epoxy. Wetted out much better today, Temperature was 78 when I started the layup. So far I wasted 4 oz's of epoxy doing the tape and three layers on transom, I'm doing ok with it I think. Truth is, Without pulling a vacuum I can't do much better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:57 pm
by Eric1
I finished the sanding prep for glassing the hull today, which has me thinking of what's ahead. I'm 99% sure of how to approach the use of the biaxial cloth. Using the parameters from the layup schedule I can really only do it one way. Starting at keel maintain a six inch overlap. From keel to chine edge at transom the will produce a 3" overlap that I can progress to 6 inches. This brings me to my first question: Would I be better off maintaining the three inch overlap at chine?

Also, I'm planing a third bottom layer so I want to keep shifting the overlap from trim edge/chine layer with keel/chine layer to make fairing easier. I'm only talking an inch or so when I say shifting the overlap.Is this a good idea or not?

How much do you builder's overlap the bottom layers at the transom?

Final question on this part of the build: With the understanding I can not possibly be ready for the second/third layer within 24 hours from the previous must I sand in between layers? I did this on the transom lay up, only enough to knock off the stiching in the fabric, I stopped when I started to expose the bias in the cloth. This is a crap load of surface and it is tough on older shoulders! :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:00 am
by jacquesmm
Try to have a at least a 3" overlap, 6 is better. You can also add layer form leftover fabric.

If you can't get another layer wet on wet, you can do it the next day without sanding as long as the surface is smooth.
If more than 2 days between layers, give ti a light sanding.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:24 pm
by Eric1
Hi Jacques,

I sent you an email. i also added those photos to my gallery.


Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:12 pm
by jacquesmm
If you want a fast reply, please post here.
I"ll get to the office tomorrow and will check your email.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:07 pm
by Eric1
It can wait Jacques. I am running machines this week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:24 am
by jacquesmm
OK, I looked at your email. It is fine. There is no need to worry about one overlap being 4" and the next one 5". One or 2 " do not matter as long as the edges are offset. This does not require machine shop precision.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:13 pm
by Eric1
Well Friends, I got the first layer on the bottom today. Started at 10:20 finished at 1:30, Temp was 71 degrees at start 75 at finish. I posted a couple of pictures in the gallery under "Eric's C21". I'm a bit tired but I got it done, going to the house to relax. Y'all have a great weekend and God Bless.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:55 pm
by jacquesmm
Good progress.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:38 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Sir!

I plan on getting second side done in the morning. It's brutally HOT here, 97 outside. Afternoon temps in the shop are hitting 89. We have one of the 10 ton AC on the fritz.

Posted a photo of second side glass in place. The weights are there just for tonight. there was a crease in the fabric I'm trying to flatten.

I have a question on the roll of glass cloth in the photos. I'll be in touch in the morning. If it was shipped in error and I was not charged I'll return it to you guys.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:19 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I will call you not later than 8:15 in the morning!! Pretty warm down here as well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:25 am
by bateau-webmaster
Eric, testing to see if I can post your gallery pictures here: Image
It appears to be working for me. If you copy/paste the image URL (http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... AG0066.jpg) then highlight the whole thing and click the "Img" button above the text box in your post it should work perfectly.

If it gives you an error message, please let us know what it says.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:50 am
by Eric1
Thank You!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:52 am
by jacquesmm
The kit contains some 6 oz. woven fabric to fiberglass the sole and the console. See the kit contents listed here:
http://bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=C21_E
Do not use it on the hull. As specified on the plans, the hull is glassed with the biaxial fabric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:57 am
by Eric1
Thank you Jacques. I completely missed that. I assumed that it was for sole, heck I may have even read it but I could not remember it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:01 am
by Eric1
Webmaster,


Image test...

This was reply:
It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:01 am
by jacquesmm
Eric1 wrote:Thank you Jacques. I completely missed that. I assumed that it was for sole, heck I may have even read it but I could not remember it.
There are options and the kits are based on what most people build and almost every builder likes to cover the sole and console with fiberglass.
There is more to say about that kit: the plans specify to fiberglass the bottom outside and inside with biaxial but not all the way up to the sheer. many builder like to go all the way up to the sheer on the outside. It is not necessary for strength but it protects the plywood when going alongside a dock for example. The kit does not include enough glass or epoxy for that option.
Last, for the biaxial, we assume that the builder will use letfovers from the outside glass but not everybody likes to do it that way. You"ll see when you get there. That biaxial is inexpensive, if you decide to fiberglass the complete outside, order some more.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:53 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the extra information Jacques. I saw that the biaxial stops at trim line. I have some 8 oz plain weave cloth I plan to use above that. I also have 4 gallons of a 3 to 1 epoxy I plan to use in that area. I'm running a test with the Silvertip and the Aeropoxy to see if they will crosslink and bond. As the name suggests Aeropoxy is used for aviation airframes and while it is a top quality product I want to be sure the two are compatible. I'll do a mechanical sheer test after the samples cure for a week.

I had help this morning so things went much smoother with this layer. :D :D :D

I was planning on purchasing long boards from FlexiCat for the fairing process but the US distributor is out of stock and their website states the don't know when they will be. I plan to design my own to that purpose, after all I am a machinist! LOL
If I'm satisfied with the result I will forward a sample for your review. Perhaps you can stock them to help other builders.

Be wishes for a great and hopefully cooler weekend,

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:27 pm
by jacquesmm
We sell the flexboards but it is easy to make one.

For the Aeromarine, be careful. Don't get fooled by the name, it almost as good as our MarinEpoxy but not as good as our Silver Tip. I would limit the use of it above the waterline.
It will NOT crosslink with Silver Tip.
You can use different epoxies on a project but you MUST wait for a full cure then sand and clean before applying another resin.
Full cure means one week. If you don't, you may inhibit the full cure of the previous resin.
Plus, Silver Tip will post cure in the sun but you"ll loose that advantage if there is another resin on top.
I would keep the Aeromarine for the console or covering the decks but not use it for the hull.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:49 pm
by Eric1
AeroMarine is different than what I have but I can wait a week For Silvertip to cure out.


I'll post a photo of the Flexicat fairing board I'm talking about. It's not the same as what you have.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:37 pm
by Eric1
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Side 2 finished! Finally got photo to load to Forum!!!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:42 pm
by Jeff
Looks good Eric!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:46 pm
by Eric1
Thank You GAJeff!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:53 pm
by Eric1
I have first side ready for epoxy but temp is to warm. This is as far as i can go this weekend.
Happy Father's Day to everyone.


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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:10 am
by Eric1
I got the First side laid up this morning. 7 Yards of Cloth, 66 ounces of epoxy. I'll check to see if I'm tack free before I go home. If so, I will get the fabric for side two on the hull so it can relax overnight.


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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:52 pm
by Eric1
I have fabric in place on side 2. Just too hot to epoxy today, we'll see what the morning brings. :D :D :D

It's incredible to see this coming together!!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:08 am
by Eric1
Side two is finished. Now I'll take a break and do it all over again!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:37 am
by Eric1
Jacques, Cracker Larry and ant other experienced builders.

What is the best choice of wood for lifting strakes and spray rail?

What is the best product for securing these to the hull?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:05 pm
by cape man
Pine is fine, especially if you are going to glass it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:27 pm
by Jeff
Eric, your boat is really looking good!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:41 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Jeff! Being my first boat I have nothing to compare it too. I feel like I'm on the right track and thus far I'm enjoying everything about the build. I enjoy learning my way through a project and making this boat is very satisfying. How's this for a kick in the pants...I've been sharing photos on my Facebook page and one of my friends want me to sell him a boat! LOL!!!

I told him I would have to finish this one first. If I do decide to build him a boat,I'll have him buy a set of plans and we'll go from there.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:39 am
by Jeff
Eric, Glad the experience is a positive one for you!! Most of our Forum members would agree!! Keep sending me pictures!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:28 pm
by Eric1
Spent the morning prep. sanding for the next layer. It was only about four hours of work.


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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:30 pm
by Eric1
Another picture after sanding. I'm posting these with the hope they will help another builder along the way.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:32 pm
by Eric1
Last one today..
I'm sanding these overlaps a little heavier. Just to the point they no longer catch my fingernail. I'm not sure if this has to be done but I believe this will make the fairing process go smoother.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:21 pm
by Eric1
I started the second layer today. Got another 6 yards of fabric layed up. Fabric seemed to take longer to wet out, temp was good at 73 degrees, maybe the humidity played a part. It's been very high the last several days. We're actually in a thunderstorm as I write this.

Here is a picture of the layup:

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I've been planning to use a Yamaha 115 or 150 for power on this boat. I looked for dealers on the net and was going to have to drive 62 miles west or 64 mile north east. Decided yesterday to go for a ride and found the local mercury dealer has picked up Yamaha!!! He's 4 miles away!!!!!!! How's that for Providence?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:47 pm
by TomW1
I would go with the 150 on the C21. A 115 on a C19 hit a top end in the low 40's. The study plans state that a 125 will push her to 37mph, thus my recommending the 150. Good deal on finding the local Yamaha dealer so close. Take a look at the new VMAX SHO's, they are supposed to be lighter and more efficient than other motors.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:06 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote:I would go with the 150 on the C21. A 115 on a C19 hit a top end in the low 40's. The study plans state that a 125 will push her to 37mph, thus my recommending the 150. Good deal on finding the local Yamaha dealer so close. Take a look at the new VMAX SHO's, they are supposed to be lighter and more efficient than other motors.
Thanks TomW1, That input helps. I was thinking a four stroke though, nothing written in stone.
Last boat had twin Suzuki four strokes, I liked the quiet running.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:07 pm
by terrulian
Very clean work. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:09 pm
by Eric1
terrulian wrote:Very clean work. 8)
Thank You Sir! There are a lot of runs the picture don't show. They sand off pretty quickly. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:25 pm
by Eric1
This was 7:30 this morning, prepped 6 yards plus 5" for second bottom layer, side2.
After trimming with scissors, I lightly sweep the edges with a whisk broom. Then any of the stitching that has loosened I burn off with a bic lighter. This gives a much cleaner finish.

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5" overlap at Transom, corner tacked down with a Extremely light mist of 3M #77 spray adhesive:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:39 pm
by Eric1
This is about one third into layup, fabric is over saturated in this picture. My technique is to completely wet out a section about my arm span. Then move forward wet out first pour on next section, while its soaking in I go back to previous section and pull excess epoxy forward with scraper. I'll try to shoot a video when I layup the next layer. 8)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:53 pm
by Eric1
These pictures show second bottom layer, side two complete. Finish time was 11:45, temp. had climbed to 82 degrees.
I used 128 ounces of epoxy this time. Fabric wetted out better today, I'm pretty sure humidity was the culprit on the last section I did. It was lower today and things went much smoother.

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Shot of transom:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:45 pm
by Jeff
Great detail and pictures!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:49 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:01 am
by Eric1
Jacques, Can you tell me how long the lifting strakes are suppose to be? I know I am a way from needing them but I would like to get the lumber. From what I see in the build notes I would have 2 at 100" and 2 at 150". Is this correct?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:22 pm
by Eric1
I'm going to order some 24 oz. foam 1" x 1" triangles for the lifting strakes.
These only cost $5.50 per 4' section, so the risk is minimal.
I had been trying to figure out a way to avoid having to rip 1" x 1" lumber at a 45 degree cut.
The plan is to wet it out and cover it with fiberglass tape, couple of layers of 6 oz.
If I like the them I'll use same material for the spray rail.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:01 pm
by jacquesmm
Sorry for the delayed reply, I was out of the country and came back last night.

Yes, the foam triangles are good solution. You could make them bigger than 1" but 1" will work.
They are optional. They will help a little bit with lift at high speed, also deflects sprays a little bit.
In production boats, they also supplement the stiffness of the fiberglass bottom but that is not required here.

For the length, look at your developed panels drawing.
The bottom is about 20' long = each strake will be max. 20'.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:19 pm
by Eric1
Glad for your return, I hope you had an enjoyable trip. I just increased my order for a total of 80 feet of triangular foam. :)
Thank you for getting back to me on this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:37 pm
by Eric1
Here is where I am today:
This is sanded and ready for the second side layer to go on. A little over fours hours of prep for the entire hull.

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This shows how I'm sanding the overlapped edges. You can also see where the epoxy had ran. I use a plastic wiper about 20 minutes after the last epoxy goes on, but I still sand away the excess epoxy. I believe this creates a stronger layup.

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Lastly, I'm finding a few small blemishes here and there. These spots are hard and do not deflect under my thumbnail when I apply pressure. I'm guessing these are from sweat dripping off my face as I wet the surface with epoxy. I hope this is no cause for concern.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:47 am
by Jeff
Eric, are you doing any work on your C21 over the holiday weekend? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:26 pm
by Eric1
No Jeff, I'm giving my shoulder a rest until Teusday. I bought a TENS unit and it has helped a bunch, just gonna rest up before the next push. Y'all have a great forth down there!

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:27 pm
by Jeff
Thanks and you too Eric!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:20 am
by Eric1
Hey GAJeff,
I came in this morning and got a little bit done. I plan to wet this out tomorrow morning.
The day will be short as I'm taking my oldest daughter out for driving lessons! 8O 8O 8O !!!

I measured trim line, It was 253". I added a total of 12" for a 6" overlap at transom and bow for a cut total of 265". I rolled fabric out on the long table keeping on side of fabric at table's edge and cut the 265". Then I marked off 25 1/2" from edge every couple of feet. After striking the marked line, I cut fabric. That made the opposite side measure at 26 1/2", This creates a slight overlap at chine for lay up. This photo is the second layer, the first was at 25 1/2"
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This photo shows the fabric distressed at the bow when I cut it. The cut angle was very acute to bias in glass due to bow curve. No way to avoid it.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:23 am
by jacquesmm
Excellent illustration of how it must overlap at the bow.
Thank you for posting the pictures.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:36 am
by Eric1
Thank You Jacques! I hope this pictorial of the build will help some one else one day.

This is the first 60 ounces measured out. I calculated 7.36 yards of 12 oz. cloth this time. At 47% saturation that should be 82 ounces of epoxy. I keep extra cups marked and ready, as well as extra gloves etc. The clear(ish) squirt bottle is laquer thinner for cleaning spatula.

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Start time was 8:00 am, room temp. was 70.5 degrees. Finished at 9:42, temp. was at 71.5 degrees. Pretty good time as I worked alone and stopped twice for coffee. Used 87 ounces of epoxy. I was a bit rich in a couple of places but still not bad, That should put me close to a 44% saturation.

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I plan to return this evening to place fabric on the other side for wet out in the morning. I have to run and see if my youngest needs glasses. I noticed her squinting at her IPad yesterday. It never ends with children but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:21 pm
by Jeff
Eric, excellent photos and even better detailed use of the fabric and epoxy!! Please keep the photos coming!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:03 pm
by Eric1
Hey, Thank you Jeff!! :D
I'm getting excited when I step back and look at the boat! Friends and family on Facebook are following the build as well. I am getting many compliments on the project. 8) 8)

So here is where I am today. I gave this mornings wet out about five hours and at 76 degrees with a small fan moving air I was tack free. So I placed the final fabric on the other side. It's the same as previous length 265", however not as wide. This side is 25 1/2". At 44% I calculated 81 ounces. I'll prep. 6,12 oz batches and have marked cups on standby for a 6 and 3 oz. mix.

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I noticed this very unappealing gap this afternoon. I plan to use some of the drops of biaxial fabric to build this gap to a fair transition. At least for the most part, the rest I can fair with Quick Fair. I think this is best as this area will be where I install the bow eye.

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When I'm not boat building and working, Dad life takes over. This is how I looked when my oldest daughter parallel parked for the first time yesterday. I had a fighter pilot's 6G suction on the seat!!! The scary part is we picked a driver's manual for my youngest today. I feel more white hair coming on!! 8O :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:21 pm
by Cracker Larry
:lol: :lol: Mine's all white! I went through a teenager who totaled 4 vehicles in 3 years :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:58 pm
by Jeff
Good picture Eric!! I remember teaching my daughter to drive, difficult days!!! Good luck and buckle-up!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:13 pm
by Eric1
Cracker Larry wrote::lol: :lol: Mine's all white! I went through a teenager who totaled 4 vehicles in 3 years :help:
Oh Sweet Baby Jesus I'm not ready for that!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:13 am
by Eric1
I was able to get this much done today. With any luck I will get the third bottom layer placed this afternoon. I would like to have all the glass work finished by Monday.

Start time was 8:07 am., Temp was 70.5 degrees. Finish time was 10:00 am., Temp. was 71.5 degrees. I used 6, 12 oz. batches plus another 2 oz. batch. I mixed 3 ounces and had a one ounce wasted. That put me at a 46% saturation. Photo looks like I have trapped air but I don't. I guess it's the way it's refracting light.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:14 pm
by Eric1
I went to shop and got some sanding done. It's ready for the third and last layer on the bottom. Two hours in a Tyvek suit sanding plus vacuuming dust and then a warm water wipe down. I'm beat, it sucked the energy right out of me. It was 76 inside and my car said it was 100 outside. I don't even know how y'all build boats in Florida!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:42 pm
by Jeff
Eric, excellent work on your boat even in the heat!! Yes, pretty hot down here too!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:08 am
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff! I hope you had a great week end too!
I spent the weekend with family, More driving lessons! Happy to say My daughter has mastered parallel parking. :D
I got back to work and I will have to play catch-up this week so I'll be lucky to get these last two layers complete.

Here is the photo of next lay up.
This is a total of 248"(6.89 yards)of biaxial. I have a 5" overlap at transom and a 6" overlap at keel. This is as frugal as I can be and stay within design parameters.

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I been thinking ahead of the way I want to finish the build. I have moved forward with a full transom in mind. I am having second thoughts on this. The cost of an Armstrong bracket to do this is a concern. I may still use an outboard bracket but not one that wraps the entire transom.

My other concerns are what I really want from this boat.
While I'd like to think I am building a rigged out fishing machine, the truth is I am getting older. That means I need to build this boat around my need to fish but also be a comfortable boat to use. My knees can't take the pounding from a stand up boat anymore, so there won't be a lot of offshore use. Plus, I want this to be a family friendly boat, with seating for everyone. It needs to boat I can take my girls out on the lake and pull them around tubing etc. I have some ideas on final layout I'll have to run by Jacques. This maybe an odd set up but It is most likely my last boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:37 am
by Cracker Larry
While I'd like to think I am building a rigged out fishing machine, the truth is I am getting older. That means I need to build this boat around my need to fish but also be a comfortable boat to use. My knees can't take the pounding from a stand up boat anymore,
I've been having to face up to that getting older thing lately too. My knees and legs don't hold me up like they used to. In fact nothing works as well as it used to :help:

Boat is looking great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:44 am
by jacquesmm
Let's talk about layout after you flip the hull but you can build an Hybrid boat, fishing and family, for example with jump seats or even a bench in the back.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:58 am
by Eric1
Cracker Larry wrote:
I've been having to face up to that getting older thing lately too. My knees and legs don't hold me up like they used to. In fact nothing works as well as it used to :help:

Boat is looking great!
Thank You Larry, That means a lot coming from a man that has built some Beautiful Boats!

This getting older junk is no fun. Heck, My shoulder aches from sanding and laying this boat up. I used to laugh at Granny on the Old Beverly Hillbillies show when she would sip moonshine for her rheumatism. I ain't laughing anymore. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:59 am
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote:Let's talk about layout after you flip the hull but you can build an Hybrid boat, fishing and family, for example with jump seats or even a bench in the back.
My thoughts exactly my Friend. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:57 am
by Eric1
Build status:

This was the 248" (6.88 yards) of 12 ounce x 52" biaxial fabric I placed yesterday. Start time was 8:05 at 71 degrees, finish at 10:15 at 72 degrees. I used 141 ounces of epoxy this time. That was 11, 12 oz. mixes plus 1, 6 oz. and another 3 oz mix. That works out to a little better than 46%. After I had all the fabric wet I went back and checked for runs, I had quite a bit. I lifted the now gelled runs with a spatula. I probably cleaned up a good ounce.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:12 pm
by Eric1
Material came in today for these. It's a T240 foam from Polyumac.
They sent way more than I ordered. I called and asked them about it and they told me they just threw in the extra!!!! :)
Best part was I don't have to rip these on the table saw! :D :D :D

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Here is a detail picture. This is 1" x 1" by 90 degree. I'll piece these 4' sections together and cover with 6 oz. glass.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:57 pm
by Jeff
Very nice Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:23 pm
by Eric1
Jacques,

Allow me to pick your brain. I am thinking I would be better off to to fair the hull with epoxy/microballons/sylica, then fiber glass the strakes in place with 6oz. tape. Then do the final fairing with quick fair. Is this a good idea?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
No, you don't want to glue and glass over fairing compounds, it's not a structural base. Do all the gluing and glassing before any fairing.

As clean as you are working, the fairing will go easily.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:43 pm
by Eric1
I was afraid of that. That will make fairing harder to do. Thanks for the help Larry.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:35 pm
by Eric1
Jacques, More questions.

Do think a single layer of 6 oz. fiberglass tape is enough to protect the strakes?

Should the strakes stop about 12" to 18" before transom?

Last one for now, Would you bond the foam strakes with epoxy and a small amount of silica+milled glass? Or what do you prefer?


Thank You,

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:48 pm
by jacquesmm
1. Strakes can extend all the way to the transom. A skeg should stop 12 to 18" before.
2. epoxy glue strakes to hull
3. fiberglass with several layers of 6 oz., 2 minimum
4. grind air out
5. coat with epoxy putty, either milled fibers or silica, several passes

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:18 pm
by Eric1
Got it! Thank You Sir!

I got this in place today. It is Stupid Hot today, 89 in the shop, 98+ outside! I hope to wet this out no later than friday morning. I doubt it will be cool enough in the morning to do it. It takes time for a 15,000 square foot machine shop to cool off even with the AC's running.

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I feel like I'm reaching a small milestone.

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I just want to give my sincere Thank You to everyone that has helped me thus far! You all have been fantastic to learn from!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:09 pm
by Cracker Larry
I feel like I'm reaching a small milestone.
A fairly large one really :D
Last one for now, Would you bond the foam strakes with epoxy and a small amount of silica+milled glass? Or what do you prefer?
I ain't Jacques, but I would use wood flour.
Do think a single layer of 6 oz. fiberglass tape is enough to protect the strakes?
I still ain't Jacques, but I would use 2 layers of 12 ounce biax tape. When it comes to boat bottoms, they can't be too tough to suit me. Like too much money, a woman too pretty, or a car too fast :lol: Build the SOB tough and forget it the rest of your life.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:48 pm
by Eric1
I'm with you on toughness Larry. :) I just doubt I can get 12oz. biaxial to form over the tight corners. I'm going with 2-3 layer of 6oz glass to start with. I had thought about using aluminum but bonding would have been a major issue.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:42 pm
by jacquesmm
I proposed milled fiber and silica for better resistance to abrasion. Woodflour will be easier to work with but not as hard.
If you plan to coat with graphite-epoxy, it does not matter, the abrasion resistance will come from the graphite.
12 oz. will be difficult to shape but strangely, because of the mat, 1708 shapes quite well: use what you have, try.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:52 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've never had any trouble shaping 12 oz. biax, give it a 3/8 radius, inside or out, and it will follow any curve :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:58 am
by Eric1
Cracker Larry wrote:I've never had any trouble shaping 12 oz. biax, give it a 3/8 radius, inside or out, and it will follow any curve :doh:
Larry I had problems with the 12 oz. tape forming the transom to the trim line step, it was a 1/4" step. I ended up filling the gap with ez fillet to get the tape to hold shape. Here I can't apply the 3/8" radius at the peak of the triangle so I figured Biaxle was out. Remember this is my first boat so I am trying to avoid the same issue. One other note, On the last roll of 12 oz fabric the stitch bonding seems a good bit looser. The glass fibers are moving around a lot more than the initial fabric I had. With that in mind, I would have had to buy 6" wide biaxial tape and cut it down to 4", That seemed wasteful to me.

Your advise and input is priceless to me! Just wanted you to understand why I chose 6 oz. tape. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:45 am
by Eric1
Final outside glass has been layed up!!!!

Final layer as required by Jacques for a 150 HP motor is done!!!!!
135 oz of epoxy used, start time 0830 temp. was 72 deg., finished at 10:20 was 74 deg.
This roll of fabric is not the same as the first. This glass fibers are not bonded as well as the first roll and they lift out of place much easier. It's forcing me to use a bit more epoxy to wet it out as I can't squeegy it out as much. Still, I'm staying withing acceptable parameters for saturation so I'm happy. Tonight I'll celebrate with my girls and have some cubed steak, rice and gravy! :D

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On a personal note,
I cut my shin during layup on the edge of the boat and it got me thinking. Every major project I've done in my life from building cars, custom motorcycles etc., I have given not just hard work and sweat but some measure of blood. I considered how Christ shed his blood to pay for our sins and what a great endeavor that was! Think of me what you will, but this thought has made me closer to my Lord!


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Have a Wonderful and Blessed weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:26 pm
by Cracker Larry
Every major project I've done in my life from building cars, custom motorcycles etc., I have given not just hard work and sweat but some measure of blood. I considered how Christ shed his blood to pay for our sins and what a great endeavor that was! Think of me what you will, but this thought has made me closer to my Lord!
You and I both :lol: I seldom can do any project without bleeding on it, pretty much never really. Every boat I've ever built has my DNA permanently embedded in it, in numerous locations. As does my shop, my house, my fences, my chicken house...... :doh:

Good looking work Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:08 pm
by Jeff
Eric/Larry - Blood, sweat and tears!! Have a good weekend guys!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:02 pm
by Eric1
Hopefully I can get this on without bleeding all over it! :lol:

Plans do not call for this, I'ts my preference to seal the wood and give it some protection from scuffs. This is a 7.25 oz. style 7532, I'll be using US Composites 3:1 epoxy for this. I have about 4 1/2 gallons of this from an different application.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:03 am
by glossieblack
Beautiful and clean work Eric. :D 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:44 am
by Browndog
More blood please. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:41 am
by Eric1
Browndog wrote:More blood please. :D
:P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:03 am
by Eric1
Busy as a one legged man in a butt kicking contest!! :lol:

Man was this a Royal PITA! All this time I've been using Silvertip with slow hardener, that will spoil you! This Epoxy is fast, I was using a pump on the bottles. I could only do a single 3 pump resin to 1 pump hardener or it would gel. I had help from my Buddy Marc. He would mix as I rolled. We started at 8:15 at 72 degrees and finished at 9:20, temp was still 72. I would roll out the mix until pan was empty, then while Marc mixed the next batch I would do the spatula work. All that said the layup was smooth, just had to work fast.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:27 am
by Jeff
Really looks good Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:47 am
by Eric1
Just thought I'd show the method I used,to trim the style line while epoxy is in a plastic state. I did this to save some time sanding a difficult edge. This is using a rotary cutter. You can pick these up a Wally World in the sewing section. Keep a dry cloth and laquer thinner handy. After you cut a 6-8" section be sure to wipe the cutter clean. Here are the "Weapons of Glass Destruction":

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Trick is to work SLOWLY!!!
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Slowly lift the cut section watching for strings that want to pull at the fiberglass. Keep your trim scissors close. ;)
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Last step is to cut away the waste section. The idea of the small section is to, "Work small, Miss small". You have to be careful not to lift the fiberglass away from the boat. I was more comfortable working in this manner.
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I will wait until I have both sides on and cured before I trim the bottom edge. It comes off quickly with a side grinder.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:57 am
by Eric1
GAJeff wrote:Really looks good Eric!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:34 pm
by Eric1
I learned from from first layup with this material. I taped the fringe to keep the strings out of the way. ;) I'll wet this out in the morning.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:04 pm
by MrPaul
Looks beautiful! You mentioned being spoiled by the silver tip. Did it last longer before starting to harden? I'm using the marine epoxy with slow gardener that they sell here and I'm getting about 10 minutes to work with it in the roller pan before it starts to set up. It would be nice to have a little longer to work once I start glassing the inside. I'm usually working in 85 to 90 degrees.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've used both and haven't noticed the Silvertip having a longer pot life than Marinepoxy, if you use slow hardeners for both. I also work in 95 degree heat. With big layups like that you have to work fast, in small batches, about 12 ounces at a time. Start at one end and work towards the other. Spread it out as soon as possible. I don't even use roller pans, I just pour it straight from the mixing cup onto the hull and start rolling and spreading. I estimate what I'll need for the entire job and pre-measure that amount in plastic cups ready to mix. 8 oz.resin in red cups, 4 oz.hardener in blue. Spread one, mix one...keep going. Get it out of that container ASAP. Measuring everything first and getting tools organized before you start really helps prevent problems. One red, one blue, spread, repeat, keeping the wet edge all the way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:54 am
by Eric1
I should have been more clear. I meant to say I am spoiled by the Slow hardener I have for the Silvertip. The hardener I have for this is Fast. Normally I use the same method my friend Cracker Larry described. I even tried that on the other side but I could not keep up with the runs. So that leaves me using a small roller, It's not too difficult, you just have to move pretty quick. This is the only surface I have had to have a helper. That is due to the fast hardener. I hope I remember all the stuff I'm learning for the next build. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:09 am
by Eric1
Nice and cool in the shop this morning. Started at 8:15 temp. was 70, finished at 9:40 temp steady at 70.
The outside skin is complete!!! :) :) :)
Next up lifting strakes and spray rail.

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Last glass on transom. 8)

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I'll remove the excess fiberglass from the trim line today, the rest can wait until Monday.
I hope everyone has a blessed weekend!
All the Best,
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:56 am
by Jeff
Eric, your boat is really looking good!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:50 am
by cvincent
Your fiberglass work is very nice. Thanks for the tip with trimming the glass.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:02 pm
by Eric1
Thank You my Friend!

Well I started towards the shop to sand and prep for the next objective but I never made it. I have been useless as boobs on a fish this weekend. I have a busy week ahead in the machine shop so I'm resting up. I reckon there are reasons old dogs like to lay on the porch sometimes. ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:28 am
by Eric1
Well I'm finally able to work on my build again. I've been very busy in the machine shop the last couple of weeks.
This is a photo of the trim line at the transom. In order to get the 12 oz. tape to form here I had to bevel the step away. Now that the hull is glassed I can repair this. I re-established the step with some file work first.

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Had to come up with a fixture to do this. I used a small piece of 3/16 aluminum wrapped in peel ply and placed on trim line.

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Secured it in place with duct tape. (I love the stuff)

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I filled the step filled with epoxy and silica/milled glass. Not the easiest thing to sand but it will be strong.

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I have a good bit of prep/sanding to do so I'm getting back to it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:59 am
by Eric1
Jamie, This is the void I'm talking about. It is very pronounced at the transom and will become smaller toward the bow. This is where I'm thinking to fill with chopped glass /milled/silica.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:48 am
by jacquesmm
From the designer:
that installation looks correct. The type of filler is not very important.

The same principle applies to all those edges: fiberglass will not lay properly over a sharp edge without creating air bubbles. It needs a radius. The radius size depends on the type of fiberglass and the skills of the builder.
In general, a 1/2" radius can be used.
Ideally, for hydrodynamic reasons, wherever water leaves the hull (transom edge, chine, rails etc.), we want a sharp edge, an easy separation of the water flow.
That sharp edge can be created either by adding putty and shaping it to a sharp edge or by adding a rail.
There isn't much stress on those rails, the type of fillers and glue is not critical.

More: production fiberglass boats do not have sharp edges because it is impossible to create them from fiberglass in a mold. They get close by filling a somewhat sharp corner with an excess of gelcoat in the mold. Often, when repairing those boats, we find air bubbles in those edges.
Racing or high performance hulls are "blue printed". Stuff is added to the bottom including sharp edges made from putty.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:45 pm
by Eric1
Jacques, I ordered some 1/4" chopped fiber to add to the milled and silica. I maybe paranoid but I don't trust milled by it's self in applications over 3/16" thick. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me!

On a different note, the filled epoxy was not setting after 4 hours. :? I scraped and cleaned those edges before I left work. I'll give it another shot tomorrow after the church car wash. I did manage to completely sand the hull and prep for strakes and fairing.

Have a great weekend every one!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:25 pm
by Eric1
I decided to clear the dust and sweep the floor today. Fiberglass dust was getting thick. I also cleaned the hull again. Here are where the lifting strakes will go. I think on the next boat I'll try to mark these out while the plywood is flat! Marking square and perpendicular lines on a curve was a lot of fun!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:25 pm
by Jeff
Looking better all the time!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:18 am
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,
I started putting the lifting strakes on this morning. Here is how I'm doing it.

Had to come up with a way to get the glue on these without getting it every where. Thankful for the half rounds left over from a job at work.
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The arrow on trowel shows I'm using the middle set of teeth. The arrow on strake is the direction I'm pulling the glue.
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I came up with these cantilever weights to apply a bit of down force while gluing the strakes down. I think they will be more helpful at the bow curve.
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The surveyors string runs to this on opposite side of boat.
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I'm using the fast hardener for this, I thought since the mixes would be small it would be a good place to use it. I used 1 1/2 ounces of epoxy with a 2 ounce cup of wood flour for the glue. It came out to be the perfect amount! :)

You have to watch these for a little bit as they want to drift out of place until the epoxy starts to gel. The fast hardener was the right choice in my opinion.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:34 pm
by Eric1
I've made some progress, both of the lower strakes are on. I glued a small section to a piece of scrap wood so I can see how the foam will act when I apply the fiberglass. I'll test that tomorrow. Also,received some supplies this week, 1/4" chopped glass came and a box of sandpaper rolls came in today.
I've pretty much given up on the sample material from Polyumac for the spray rails. I'll move to plan B on that.
That's all for now.
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:25 am
by Eric1
Here is where I started this morning. I have the first two strakes on.

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I left them short so I can easily fair the step created from overlapping the glass at the transom.

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Marked a line 2 1/2" back then used the top of my milled fiber bucket to outline the curve from center back to that line. This foam is very easy to work with. I have not pulled fillets yet, that is today's task.

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Test piece I just want to make sure the glass will form over the sharp edge without issue.

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NOPE!
Not what I hoped for, but I kinda expected this. I'll have to form a radius at the top and build it sharp after glassing.

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Truly not sure at this point these are bringing enough to the build for the amount of tedious work they will require.
None the less, they are on my plans so I'll see it through.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:01 pm
by Jeff
Eric, excellent work on a Saturday morning!! Your C21 is really looking good!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:01 am
by topwater
Nice strakes, what kind of glass are you using to cover the strakes with :?: 12 oz bi axe mite make
that curve. Try a test with the 12 oz.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:23 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote:Nice strakes, what kind of glass are you using to cover the strakes with :?: 12 oz bi axe mite make
that curve. Try a test with the 12 oz.
Thanks Topwater, This was 6 ounce tape. Cracker Larry suggested the same thing. I'll set up another test, but I believe the sharp bend will have to go.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:29 am
by topwater
Maybe try the 6oz bi axe i think it has a more open weave.
Looks like i am not the only one not getting much sleep any more.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:32 am
by Eric1
Ok, I'll get some from Jeff Monday. Thanks for the tip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:30 pm
by Eric1
The build is on hold, I've worked myself a good case of tennis elbow. It's very painful, Doc put me on anti inflammatory and a brace. Dang it, we're suppose to stay under 90 degrees all week too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:53 pm
by Jeff
Eric, take care of yourself!! The boat will be there when you are well and able!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:29 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:01 pm
by Eric1
Well I'm finally able to get some more work done. It's been pretty rough the last several days. After my bout of tennis elbow subsided I had a flare up of a staph infection that returns once a year. This comes in the form of a very painful abscess on my posterior, this year just for fun, it returned to me near my male parts. 8O I had surgery tuesday to take care of the matter. Needless to say there is a part of my body that is swollen and painful. Lucky me, It feels like I have a ten pound clapper of the church bell between my legs! :lol: :lol: :lol:
All of that and school starts monday for my high school sophomore and my college freshman!!! :D



None the less, Here is where I'm at with my C21.
After sanding a small radius (about a 1/4" radius) I was able to get the glass to lay up without forming air bubbles.
This is the first layer of glass on the strakes, 2" wide 6 oz. tape, I used 3 oz. of epoxy for 4.33 yards.

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Here I just finished this lay up. Second layer is 4" wide 6 oz. tape. I used a little over 5 ounces of epoxy for this. That's kinda crappy but I had to use a brush for application and couldn't use the spatula to remove the excess epoxy. Any attempt to squeegee the epoxy would pull and lift the fiberglass. I got a frustrated and said to heck with it. Some days you are the windshield, some days you are the bug.

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From the transom.

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That's all for today. I may try to get the second layer of 4" tape on in the morning, just depends on how I feel.
Y'all stay safe and have a great weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:24 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I hope you are better!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:25 am
by Eric1
Continuing with strake work today. I had several air pockets I had to cut away and fill yesterday. They will need a bit more epoxy to complete. Oddly they were on the flat of the strake not the crest.

I also started addressing the Transom edge yesterday. I built a dam of 1/16 g10, wrapped that in peel ply and positioned in just above the bottom plane of the boat. Here is the before picture:

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Here is the after, I still have some fill work ahead but I need both sides in the rough so I'll have a surface to work from. This was two 1.5 oz. mixes of silica and milled glass. The first was a sludgy pourable to fill to the bottom of the dam. The second was a thicker paste to hold without running. The shiny surfaces are low spots and will be scuffed with 80 grit to help with bonding.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:33 am
by Jeff
Eric, really nice work!! Hope you are better!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:40 am
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff,

I'm not hitting on all cylinders yet but I'm better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:10 am
by Jeff
Good, at least you are better!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:43 am
by Eric1
Pictures of dam and first "pour" on second side.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:26 am
by Cracker Larry
You've been paying attention in class :D Looks great, Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:51 am
by Eric1
:D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:08 pm
by Eric1
Slow going this week. I got last layer of tape on the inner strakes. Also got second layer of camel snot on transom edge.
With any luck It will sand out and be ready to fair in the morning.

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Behold the snot!

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Done for the day. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:50 pm
by Jeff
Great work Eric!!! She is really looking good!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:03 am
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff! I appreciate the encouragement. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:46 am
by MrPaul
Cracker Larry wrote:You've been paying attention in class :D Looks great, Eric.

Wish I would have paid attention. That dam really makes the job of sharpening the edges look a lot easier than just a bunch of packing tape. What do you make the dam out of?....just so I'll know on my next build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:28 am
by Eric1
Mr. Paul,

I used a strip of 1/16" g10 fiberglass sheet. You could use aluminum the same size also. I wrapped the strip in peel ply and duct taped it on the back of the strip. Then this was positioned just above the plane of the bottom of the boat. I held it with duct tape at the bottom of the strip and cut small strips of tape to hold the top of the strip to the bottom of the boat. I filled with two mixes of epoxy/milled glass and silica. The first was loose per say like molasses, this allows the mix to get to the bottom of the dam. Be prepared with a mixing stick to pull and re-position the first pour, it will run some. The second is more like putty. Let the first mix set for an hour or so (fast hardener) before adding the second mix.

All the Best,

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:07 am
by Cracker Larry
That dam really makes the job of sharpening the edges look a lot easier than just a bunch of packing tape. What do you make the dam out of?....just so I'll know on my next build.
That's the trick. Make a dam. I use a scrap piece of plywood and cover it in plastic, then attach it with duct tape.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:16 am
by Eric1
Good Morning,

Here are the transom edges. I'm calling these complete for now. I still have a little bit of fill work to do but I need the spray rails in place first so it can wait.

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Second side.

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I have finished the fiberglass on the first two strakes and in doing so I have changed my plans. I don't see me bring these back to a sharp edge. For the time and epoxy it will take it is not in my opinion worth doing. Even Jacques said earlier "they are not required". Plus this is not a race boat so blue printing to that level would be nuts!
All that said, I can lay across these without discomfort so I'm going to go ahead and install the other two before I start fairing anything on the bottom. I may start fairing the transom as I wait for epoxy to cure on the other strakes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:32 am
by Cracker Larry
Nice crisp edges. Those will clean up perfect. No need to do that on the strakes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:00 pm
by MrPaul
I had all the supplies on hand except for the fast hardener. Looks like I took the most difficult route. I went over a packing tape dam with a hard roller and a spatula for hours on each one. Well...at least I got some experience in what not to do on my next build. I could have done all the corners in 1 day had I done it the right way. :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:14 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote:I had all the supplies on hand except for the fast hardener. Looks like I took the most difficult route. I went over a packing tape dam with a hard roller and a spatula for hours on each one. Well...at least I got some experience in what not to do on my next build. I could have done all the corners in 1 day had I done it the right way. :doh:
All I can say Mr Paul is post questions to the forum. Everyone here has been a great help to me!
"Anyone can walk the cow pasture barefoot once, after that they learn and NEVER do it again!!"
My Father's wisdom. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:25 pm
by MrPaul
I'm sure I'll go for a few more barefoot strolls in the pasture before I'm done but all the help is definitely appreciated. The next time I have to sharpen edges it will be a lot easier. Thanks again!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:12 pm
by Eric1
I made it this far today. Had other things to attend. -_-
I may finish this strake in the morning. Pretty good day, Transom edge sanded, Inner strakes sanded ready for fairing, plus swept hull and wiped it down again with warm water. I hate working in dust.

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I'm headed to the house, There is a Large glass of iced tea calling my name!! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:44 pm
by Jeff
Looks great Eric!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:55 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff,You too!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:37 pm
by Cracker Larry
Anyone can walk the cow pasture barefoot once, after that they learn and NEVER do it again!!"
My Father's wisdom. :wink:
I think we've all walked through that pasture, some of us a few times :lol: There aren't many problems that we haven't figured out the easiest way, or the best way, which isn't necessarily the same thing. When in doubt, don't fight it and do it wrong, just ask :wink: Somebody here knows how and there is no need to re-invent the wheel.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:59 pm
by Jeff
Eric, have a look at the main website, BoatBuilderCentral.com where you will find your C21 featured!! Again, really well documented build with details and pictures for all of our members and guests on the forum!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:01 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Eric, have a look at the main website, BoatBuilderCentral.com where you will find your C21 featured!! Again, really well documented build with details and pictures for all of our members and guests on the forum!!! Jeff
Thank You! I'm honored!!! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:47 am
by Eric1
I came in this past Saturday and glue the last section of the third strake in place.
Due to the amount of curve on the bow I could not get this perfect, it will have to do.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:58 am
by mmachonis
Eric,

This is Mark Machonis, in New Jersey on my C21. I wanted to ask you how fit/attached the Upper Side Panels to the Low Side Panels. I know they over lap 6 inches to create the Style Line on the boat. How did you hold the panel in place after it was glued? I am using Gel Magic as my adhesive. I'm not sure what the best method is for holding the panel in place after it is glued. I will use screws on the transom. I'm not sure what to use on the bow and along the port and starboard sides, more screws, zip ties all the way through both panels?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

I hope all is well!

Thanks.

Mark

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:12 pm
by jacquesmm
I replied to the same question in another thread and deleted it to avoid a double post.
That panel should fit with just a couple of temporary screws. I have seen it done on a C19 with no screws at all, panel supported at the sheer and a couple of straps to help where needed.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:06 pm
by Eric1
mmachonis wrote:Eric,

This is Mark Machonis, in New Jersey on my C21. I wanted to ask you how fit/attached the Upper Side Panels to the Low Side Panels. I know they over lap 6 inches to create the Style Line on the boat. How did you hold the panel in place after it was glued? I am using Gel Magic as my adhesive. I'm not sure what the best method is for holding the panel in place after it is glued. I will use screws on the transom. I'm not sure what to use on the bow and along the port and starboard sides, more screws, zip ties all the way through both panels?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

I hope all is well!

Thanks.

Mark

Mark, Per Jacques, I was able to use some small #6 screws for this. After the Gel Magic was hardened it was very easy to back the out and fill the holes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:47 am
by Eric1
I got the last section in place this morning.

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This build has slowed to a crawl due to my health. Three nights ago I was cleaning the wound from the abscess and something was sticking out of it. The following morning I went back to the doctor. This turned out to be a pinky finger size piece of surgical gauze that had to be removed. Seventeen years ago I went to the ER with the first outbreak/infection of this nature. The doctor at the time opened and cleaned the abscess and pack it with gauze to drain it. He told me after two days to pull the small string out, and I did, about three yards of very small gauze tubing came out. I was never told to return for a follow up and I thought all of it had came out. I was wrong, there is still gauze in my body and I have an appointment (a month from now :x )with a surgeon to have it removed. This is why the infection keeps coming back. I am am not happy about this and I am considering a lawsuit. I am on two antibiotics and pain meds until then. :x :( :x :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:04 pm
by Fuzz
Man that sucks :!:
At least you know what was causing the return infection and maybe this time it will get taken care of.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:48 pm
by Jeff
Eric, that is absolutely not acceptable. You should review all of your options as this gross medical mistake could have killed you!! Please take good care of yourself and let us know when the surgery is completed and you are recovering!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:50 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys, I'll keep y'all updated. I'll do what I can on the boat but it will be slow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:28 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang :!: Nope, that's not acceptable. Call a lawyer. And I sure hope you get better fast !

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:47 am
by Eric1
Here is an update on me and my boat. I talked with a couple of lawyers about my medical situation and was basically told I was hosed. Hospitals here only have to keep records for 7 years so I have no way of proving who did the procedure. Second, I was told only about three percent of medical malpractice cases are won in S.C. . Nice :x So I'll have to pay to have this junk removed.

So After taking antibiotics for a while I'm feeling better and I decide to catch up on weed eating my yard. It had been about 5 weeks so I had a forest of grass etc to deal with. I get up last Saturday while it's cool and get on it. Two hours into it my weed eater gets hot and doesn't want to crank. I'm pulling the cord and my shoulder pops. Yea, You guessed it, I'll pull muscle going to my rotator cuff. I got a cortisone shot monday and Doc says not to run machines or sand on my boat or anything. Like I could do any of that from the pain anyway! :lol: :lol: :lol: I may be changing my name to Job.

I've been going a bit stir crazy so I decided to do what I can without further injuring my shoulder.
I decided to start putting the spray rails on my boat. Here are some pictures of this morning, I'm not sure I like the lines though. I've got these placed right at the chine. Working with 4 foot sections of straight foam and making it form to the hull shape is not easy. This the best I can do.

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What do y'all think? Does this look bad or is it ok?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:42 pm
by Jeff
Eric, sorry about the law suit, I did not know they only had to keep medical records for 7 years!! Your boat looks great! Just take it easy for a while longer!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:57 am
by MrPaul
The spray rails and runners look great. Take it easy on the shoulder. You're going to need it when your boat's done and it's time to cast baits.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:37 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Fellas.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:19 pm
by Eric1
Still taking it easy with this but I got a little bit. done today.

I ripped forty feet of spray rail at a 30 degree angle. Then I made a small gage to check the radius I had to sand and fit for fiberglass. This shape will be easier to glass and use a less epoxy over a single 3/4" radius.

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First one is glued to boat. That's all for today. I hope the storm spares you all.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:38 am
by danieloldhouse
What material is that Eric?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:00 am
by Eric1
It's 24 ounce closed cell foam from Polyumac. It is the same density as pine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:06 am
by danieloldhouse
Interesting! Better then wood cause it doesn't move at all

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:56 pm
by Eric1
My main goal was to keep it rot free. These will have three layers of 6 ounce glass on the top and sides. The bottom will be a platform for epoxy milled glass to form a sharp edge.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:39 am
by Eric1
Good Morning my Friends!

The boat build is moving at a snails pace. My shoulder gets sore from the least amount of work. I was able to get the second spray rail in place this morning though. I mixed 6 table spoons of epoxy, I needed half of that. I need to find a better way to mix these small batches. I had to make some strap clamps to keep the pressure from the band clamps from lifting the rail away from the hull. Thought I'd share the way I am doing that.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:01 am
by Fred in Wisc
Small batches work great with these:

http://boatbuildercentral.com/proddetai ... =e_syringe

Just get one for resin and one for hardener. Very precise and easy to mix whatever size batch you need.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:56 am
by Eric1
Thank You Fred! I have some 10cc but they are a PITA to fill. These look like the trick. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:44 am
by Fred in Wisc
How are you filling them? I use 2 small cups, one for resin and one for hardener. Each one gets its own syringe. First suck up the resin with the syringe, taking a little more than you need. Wipe the tip off with a paper towel, point the syringe up and draw a little air in, wait for the bubbles to rise to the top, then press the plunger a bit to purge the air, then purge the excess resin back into the cup to get to the amount you want (lets say 10 cc for example) in the syringe. Then shoot that into a small mixing cup or bowl. Now do the same with hardener, but half as much. Mix and use.

It takes longer to explain than to do. The important part is getting the air bubbles out so they don't throw off the ratios when you are dealing with small amounts.

The syringes last a while doing it this way, as long as you don't let them sit too long between uses. then they get sticky. You can usually fix that by drawing a little epoxy in and working the plunger back and forth a little at a time to free it up again.

I've had some that have a real small opening and are hard to fill since the resin is viscous. On those I either use a narrow pick tool or a small drill bit to make the opening a little bigger. then they work fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:42 am
by Eric1
Big Thank You to Fred! You motivated me to find some bigger syringes and they are the trick! :D
I didn't want to wait for these to ship from Jeff. I found these at Tractor Supply in town.

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I mixed 24 cc's of epoxy and it was perfect for the 1 1/2" x 4' section. The next section has to bridge the overlap of biaxial tape at the bow so there is a small gap from that to the side. I plan to mix about 30 cc's to have enough to fill that gap. Here is the section I put on this morning.

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I've been taking it easy at work and not sanding anything on the boat this week. My shoulder is not hurting at all this morning. As a matter of fact nothing was hurting when I woke up! I pinched my self just to make sure I wasn't dead!! :lol: :lol:

So after that last section sets up I'm gonna try some sanding with this air tool. It's a tool we use in the shop for deburring metal parts. I could not justify buying it to build a boat, This one runs around $500.00. 8O I'll knock the tops off the last two strakes and finish the radius by hand.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:03 am
by Eric1
I got the last 4' section of sprayrail on this side on this morning. I've tossed ideas around on the lamination for this and I've decided I'll have to round the sharp edge of the foam to do it right. It's going to add a fair amount of work to the build but I would not be pleased cutting the corner so to speak. I'll build the edge back up like the transom after the fiberglass is in place.

Jeff, I may have to order another roll of 4" tape. :lol:

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Here is the reason for building this boat. On the left is Danielle my oldest and third from left is Judy. We spent yesterday afternoon at the lake goofing around. It's always good to be near the water.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:05 am
by Cracker Larry
Fine looking family Eric 8) :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:54 am
by Eric1
Thank You Larry. They are my world.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:28 pm
by Jeff
Good looking group of young ladies Eric!!! I think they are waiting for their boat???? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:48 pm
by cvincent
Your spray rails are looking great. Sanding a large hull like yours will certainly wear a person down. I hope your tool makes the sanding job more efficient. It will be worth the labor in the end when you can cruise around the lake with your daughters in a boat you built.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:53 pm
by Cracker Larry
Just wondering, how in heck do you keep the boys away :?: :!: Shotgun :?: :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:15 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Good looking group of young ladies Eric!!! I think they are waiting for their boat???? Jeff
They are! I keep telling them I'm doing the best I can. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:17 pm
by Eric1
cvincent wrote:Your spray rails are looking great. Sanding a large hull like yours will certainly wear a person down. I hope your tool makes the sanding job more efficient. It will be worth the labor in the end when you can cruise around the lake with your daughters in a boat you built.
You got that right! This small detail work is slow but I can't hurry it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:23 pm
by Eric1
Cracker Larry wrote:Just wondering, how in heck do you keep the boys away :?: :!: Shotgun :?: :help:
Well the truth is I don't try. When a young man shows up, I'm cleaning an AK or something of the sort. Then I take their picture. I explain that a good relationship is all about communication. I tell them that I know what they are capable of, and more importantly, I KNOW what I'm capable of. Then I ask if they feel I have communicated clearly with them. Every one of them has said, "Yes Sir". Never had an issue with any of them. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:02 pm
by danieloldhouse
Cracker Larry wrote:Just wondering, how in heck do you keep the boys away :?: :!: Shotgun :?: :help:
Larry looking at some of your posts (may be in the bilge?) I was just wondering if you can bore me some of your toys, I've got a sixteen years old daughter... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:16 pm
by Cracker Larry
Sure Daniel, but not too sure that I could ship them to Italy though. Might get both of us put in jail, in the big house 8O :help: Just shipping across state lines here is a bother. Legally any firearm bought in any state other than the one you reside has to first be transferred to a Federally licensed gun dealer in your state. Then he is required to run you through the FBI background checks. It is a PITA for a law abiding citizen, but overall, maybe a good thing. I don't know. I can almost see South Carolina, can hit it with a rifle shot, but if I buy a firearm from across that bridge. it has to go through a licensed Georgia firearm dealer. It really isn't easy for an average person to buy a firearm, but it's very easy for criminals to get them.

Sorry for the hijack Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:24 pm
by Eric1
NO Hijack at all, just good fun. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:39 pm
by danieloldhouse
:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah just good fun! My nephew showed me once a nice t-shirt with the ten rules for daughter's pretenders:
1) find a job
2) be sure I don't like you
3) I'm everywhere
4) hurt her and I'll surely hurt you
5) bring her back home 5 minutes earlier
6) find yourself a lawyer
7) I'll always understand when you'll be lying
8 ) she's my princess not your conquer
9) I don't mind going back to prison
10) everything you'll do her I'll do it to you

Don't know why but point 9 looks the most convincing 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:57 pm
by Fuzz
My best friends daughters new boyfriend showed up one evening to take her out. After the father had spent some time speaking with the young man he put an arm around his shoulder, pulled him close, kissed his cheek, and told him "anything you do with my daughter I will be doing with you" :lol: Must have worked as the young ones are now married and from what I see he is a really good guy. Air Force Academy grad, Raptor pilot.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:26 pm
by Eric1
Love these! I salute Dad's with girls!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:20 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've got a friend and neighbor who had two teenage girls. They aren't anymore, but he actually made 2 tombstones and put one on each side of his front porch. One said "Boy who brought my Daughter home late" . The other said "Boy who hurt my Daughter". He never had much trouble with boys :lol:

I'm really glad I had a boy instead :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:26 pm
by Marshall Moser
:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:27 pm
by cbdigh
I'm with you Cracker Larry, glad I've got boys and don't have the headaches of boyfriends of daughters! Although my late father in law was very intimidating!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:36 am
by Eric1
I got the first layer of glass on the outer strakes today. If temp stays low I'll shoot for second layer after lunch.

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Here is a picture of first spray rail after I removed the clamps. I should have left it short at the bow so I could overlap it with glass. I'll grind it back a few inches, Dang it. :roll:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:15 pm
by danieloldhouse
Better too long then too short Eric :wink: adding is more difficult then remove, you're doing a very nice job!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:54 pm
by Jeff
Excellent point Eric!! Hope you are getting better!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:12 pm
by Eric1
Thank Guys, Yes I'm a good bit better. Still being careful with the shoulder, I got a lot of sanding ahead.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:43 pm
by Eric1
I continued work on the outer strakes today. After sanding the fillet on port side and the first layer on starboard this morning. I got the second layer of 6 oz. tape on starboard side and first layer on port. It was a total of 31' of 4" wide tape, I used 9 ounces + 18 cc's of epoxy. I don't know why but the edge of the tape is lifting up and requires sanding between layers. So far working with this tape has been my least favorite thing to work with.

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I'm off to pickup a birthday cake and card for Danielle. She will be 18 tomorrow!!! :D :D :D
Where does the time go? I remember carrying her in the hospital to show the new grandparents. It felt like my feet were not touching the floor, It still does, every time I hug her.

Y'all have a Great Weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:47 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you too and hope you are feeling better!! Happy Birthday to your to your 18 year old!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:17 pm
by topwater
If you use biaxe tape it would probably lay down better than regular tape.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:02 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

Have had similar problems with the tape in the past. Especially the thicker finished edge. It is helpful sometimes to trim the finished edge off of the tape prior to applying as this often allows the tape to lay down better. Also, occasionally making a slit in the tape will help it to go around curves.

Been admiring ythe progress of your build. Looking good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:00 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Eric, you too and hope you are feeling better!! Happy Birthday to your to your 18 year old!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff, I'm doing much better. I'll pass your greeting to her. :)
topwater wrote:If you use biaxe tape it would probably lay down better than regular tape.
I may try that next time. Thank You
Browndog wrote:Eric,

Have had similar problems with the tape in the past. Especially the thicker finished edge. It is helpful sometimes to trim the finished edge off of the tape prior to applying as this often allows the tape to lay down better. Also, occasionally making a slit in the tape will help it to go around curves.

Been admiring ythe progress of your build. Looking good.
Thank You!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:04 pm
by Eric1
I came in to sand and apply third layer to the last strake and found Murphy sent his gremlins to the shop. I had a half dozen air pockets to grind out and fill. Did I mention I hate 6 oz. tape?!?!?!?! :x

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All filled with silica/milled glass. Pick it back up in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:08 pm
by Fuzz
Needs to be a hunting season on Murphy and his gremlins. No closed season, no bag limit :D
Even with all that the boat is sure looking good. Keep up the good work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:48 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote:Needs to be a hunting season on Murphy and his gremlins. No closed season, no bag limit :D
Even with all that the boat is sure looking good. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Fuzz! Those gremlins might slow me down but they can't stop me!!! :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:24 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Friends,

I got the last layer of tape on the port strake this morning. I'm very happy to be finished with the 6 oz. tape for now.

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I've been using any left over epoxy to build up the bow where I had a gap I didn't like. Here is the before and the current picture.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:41 pm
by Jeff
Looks good Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:10 pm
by Jeff
Eric, give me a call this afternoon (when you have time and no rush) regarding the US Government (Navy) Haze Grey paint!! 772.770.1225. Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:01 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the time on the phone Jeff. I'm pretty excited about the news!! :D

Yesterday I made three more clamps to speed up putting on the spray rails. I'm glad I did! I got four sections on today alone. 8)
I did have three more blisters in the last strake, I'll go back and grind and fill them after the spray rail is complete.
Today's progress:

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Once these are on, I have the glass work to do and I can start fairing.
I feel close to another mile stone!!!!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:03 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!! Hope to have you a response on the paint tomorrow afternoon!! US Government (Navy) Haze Grey will be very cool!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:18 pm
by Eric1
Been a crazy day. Walked in the door and I had machine issues. :(

I worked a little on the boat. I got the air pockets ground out of the last strake and I shaped the spray rails. I'm going to fill the air pockets after this post and pull some fillet on the last spray rail.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:04 am
by tcason
real nice build and attention to detail!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:11 am
by Eric1
Thank You!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:15 am
by Eric1
I filled these yesterday, used a duct tape dam to get form close. Sanded this morning. I'll finish these when I apply the same mix to the spray rails.

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I spent 2 hours laying the 6 oz. tape PITA. Yes I laid it over the sharp corner, I'm expect air pockets to form there. I will relieve the corner once wet with a razor blade. It maybe an exercise in futility but I hate to have to sand that nice edge away.

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Couple of pictures from bow:

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I just got off the phone with Jeff and Jamie and I got the primer, paint and brushing activator ordered.
All I can say is DAYUM! 8O 8O :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:02 pm
by MrPaul
This boat is really coming together nicely. The runners and spray rails look sharp!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:39 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote:This boat is really coming together nicely. The runners and spray rails look sharp!
Thank You Paul!! :)

Last work of the day, I wetted these out this afternoon. My chine length was 237 1/8" per side, each side used a 6 oz. batch of epoxy with about a teaspoon leftover. That's about a 43% saturation, not bad because I have had to use more epoxy working with this tape.

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I made a gut instinct decision at the last minute and decided to cut the fabric at the edge before I applied the epoxy.
So far I think this technique is going to preserve my sharp corner and work well!! 8)
Here you can see the effect this had on the layup. As I build the layers I'll extend that raise fabric each time. I hope after three layer I can create a uniform edge to apply the thickened epoxy/silica/milled glass mixture.

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Termination at bow, should just need sanding and fairing!

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This probably all I'll get done over the weekend. I'll be back here in the morning to check on it, but, the reason for coming is my girls want to shoot their guns and have me teach another young lady to shoot!!!

Y'all have a Great Weekend!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:19 pm
by Jeff
You too Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:14 pm
by Eric1
The second layer is on. I only used a total of 9 oz. of epoxy but I only needed to wet 3 inches of the 4" tape.
I may only use two layers here. I'll decide after this cures.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:12 pm
by Jeff
Looks really good Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:32 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:54 pm
by Eric1
Today I sanded the spray rails decided to go with the 2 layers of glass.
Started filling the bottom edge with milled glass and silica.
Here is the first layer.

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Other end:

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Also this came arrived in good order.

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As a bonus the Good Lord saw fit to give us some nice rain!!
We've been lacking up here in the foothills.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:54 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:20 am
by Browndog
Looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:51 am
by Eric1
Thank Y'all!

I've been sanding this morning since 8:30. I just came to my office for a break and coffee.
Kinda out of steam, I'll pick it back up after lunch.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:51 pm
by Jeff
Eric, did you receive the examples of the rub rail? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:05 pm
by TomW1
Eric looking good! When you get to the 3rd fairing coat and before you sand it, do a guide coat. This can be any thing from a fast drying spray paint like Krylon, I like a bright blue, or printers ink, or even the graphite sold here. After you sand it you will see the high and lows and know what you need to do with either the epoxy mix or with Quick Fair. For the Krylon keep the can moving so you only get drops and not a solid spray.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:45 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Eric, did you receive the examples of the rub rail? Jeff
Not yet Jeff, I'll probably see it tomorrow.
TomW1 wrote:Eric looking good! When you get to the 3rd fairing coat and before you sand it, do a guide coat. This can be any thing from a fast drying spray paint like Krylon, I like a bright blue, or printers ink, or even the graphite sold here. After you sand it you will see the high and lows and know what you need to do with either the epoxy mix or with Quick Fair. For the Krylon keep the can moving so you only get drops and not a solid spray.
Thanks Tom, I actually looked at where you did this a few weeks back. I'd plan to use the technique. 8)


BUILD UPDATE!!!!
Milestone reached!!!!
All exterior glass is ready for fairing
:!: :!: :!:

I've spent the last two days sanding and checking for little drips etc.
I stopped at 3:30 to clean up the hull and the work area, put things away and get the long table back in order.
A couple of my employees volunteered to sweep the deck with compound to get the dust up. I'm thankful for people like that.
Here are the pictures.

You know Jacques designs strong boats when it will support my chunky self without flexing! :lol:

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I'm feeling rather Proud of this boat. 8)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:57 pm
by Jeff
Great Eric!! She looks really nice!!! Glad you have reached this milestone!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:30 am
by danieloldhouse
You MUST be proud of your work Eric, you're doing a very good job!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:43 am
by Cracker Larry
I'm feeling rather Proud of this boat. 8)
you should be! You've done one hell of a fine job of building it so far 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:46 am
by Eric1
Thank y'all!!!

I stopped in the grocery store and got a sponge mop. Came to the shop and gave the hull a hot water wash.
Then I went over it with a clean cloth. I took another look at the bow and decided to add another coat of milled/silica.
I'm sure it's filled to my satisfaction now. What did Yogi say?.."It ain't over till it's over". :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm thinking it will be close enough for fairing after this. I'll get up in the morning and long board it to see where I'm at.

I don't know if I've mention this but but I'm mixing this filling compound at 1 part silica to 2 parts milled glass until I get a thick paste that doesn't slag after 10 seconds on the mix stick.

Here is the bow:
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The mix was 1.5 oz. so I used the left over to fill step from tape on transom.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:50 am
by Jeff
Did you receive the rub rail yet? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:41 pm
by Fuzz
Really nice build! I am enjoying watching this one come together.
I got to ask.........how many drips do you have on the floor that will need ground off :doh: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:06 pm
by cape man
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That's a great picture!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:08 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Did you receive the rub rail yet? Jeff
No, It didn't come today. :( Did you use my UPS#?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:10 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote:Really nice build! I am enjoying watching this one come together.
I got to ask.........how many drips do you have on the floor that will need ground off :doh: :lol: :lol:
Thanks Bro! Believe it or not only four so far!!
cape man wrote:That's a great picture!
Thank You. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:30 pm
by Fuzz
Dang you work much cleaner than me. I have learned to put plastic on the floor from the start or spend a bunch of time on my knees grinding the floor clean :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:46 pm
by Cracker Larry
I got to ask.........how many drips do you have on the floor that will need ground off :doh: :lol: :lol:
I've got an epoxy drip outline of 8 different boats under my shed. Adds character :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:07 pm
by Jaysen
advantage of working on sand or cheap ply... just don't care about the drips :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:49 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Everyone,
After a weekend of doing nothing but relaxing I started fairing this morning. I switched over to this epoxy for the task at hand.

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First thing i had to do was make fairing mix of microballons and silica. I weighed out 4 ounces of balloons to 1 ounce of silica.
Placed that in a bag and shook the crap out of it. Decided to mix small and start at the transom. That being a large surface it will give me and idea of how much coverage I'll get for a given mix. I ended up mixing two 3 oz. batches of epoxy with 4 ounces of fairing mix by volume. This was like a "thick gravy" consistency which was very good for a fill coat on a vertical surface.

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This is what I spilled and why I don't always lay down plastic/paper. I can clean this up while it's still wet.

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Well I'm going to go get some more done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:53 am
by Jeff
Eric, nice advertisement for MarinEpoxy, Thank you!! Did you get the rub rail samples? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:06 am
by Eric1
No :(, Jeff you may want to get tracking going. UPS just came in the door with other things but not that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:18 am
by bateau-webmaster
Eric, they say they arrived (USPS not UPS) at your most recent ship to address. They will be in a cardboard tube, with plastic end-caps.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:02 pm
by Eric1
Hey Guys It just came in. Thank Y'all :D

After a quick look I think the Tessilmare 30mm kit will look just fine. I need to get one measurement to confirm the kit will cover what I want.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:05 pm
by Eric1
I mixed a 6 ounce batch and got about 1/4 of the bottom surface coated. I'm gonna grab a sandwich and see if I can get the first coat done today.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:33 pm
by Eric1
Another 6 oz mix finished half of bottom.
Temp. is climbing, I'm at 79 degrees now, going to try one more pour.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:35 pm
by danieloldhouse
Wow Eric, you're pushing down the accelerator! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:58 pm
by Eric1
Yea, Also pushing my luck Daniel. Shop temp has reached 84 degrees at end of third 6 oz. batch.
Mixture started to get thick at the end and I had to throw another 1.5 oz mix to reach the same distance as other side.
What that tells me is I need to stop, I almost pushed the last batch too far. :roll:

Last batch:

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I'll pick up here in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:06 am
by danieloldhouse
Ouch, still very hot down there! Here the last two nights has reached 50 degrees :cry:
keep up the good work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:39 am
by Eric1
Went to work this morning, I got the bottom fished with first coat.

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Started down the first side also. This is how far a 6 ounce mix went (6 oz. epoxy to 6 oz. fairing mix).

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:39 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks great and nice clean work!!! Did you receive the rub rail samples? Hope all of you are getting ready for Hurricane Matthew!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:14 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Eric, looks great and nice clean work!!! Did you receive the rub rail samples? Hope all of you are getting ready for Hurricane Matthew!! Jeff
Hey Buddy, Thank You. Yes the samples came in. I think the 30 mm Tessilmare will look just fine. I'll ship these back to you tomorrow. 8)
I just need to make sure a 46' kit is enough for this boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:41 pm
by Jeff
Good Eric!! I thought the 30 would work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:10 pm
by Eric1
Well while y'all are boarding up I got the first fairing coat completed today.
I wish you all the best of luck and we will be praying for all y'all in the path of the storm.

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Jeff, My paint came in today. I'll call you monday morning!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:35 pm
by peter-curacao
WOW 8O very nice job already !Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:42 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Peter. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:29 pm
by seaslug
Eric, the boat looks fantastic. My approach to the initial fairing may be totally wrong after seeing yours. I use West System 410 filler mixed a little thicker than what I see you're doing, trying to get 90% of the imperfections filled with one coat. Than I sand it down and fill where needed. Do you now, after what you're showing in the photos, re-apply more filler before sanding, or do you sand this first application, than fill some more? I'm working on my second build, and still feel I need to work on perfecting my technique to minimize the horrific job of sanding, and to waste less material. I find that the Silver Tip package that is sold and recommended for the build doesn't even come close to the filler and filleting material needed for a top notch finish. Of course I made my dry bilge/storage areas smooth as a babies butt, so that uses a lot of filler. Great job. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:10 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Mike. I just wanted to get a thin coat in the weave first. Next I'll kiss sand it with 80 grit. Then I plan to spread a thick mix over the transition areas. You know where the tape layers build up from over lapping and where clothe overlaps. When that's cured I'll go thick on those D@#m strakes and the spray rails. Keep watching the build Mike, I'll post pictures as I go. For what it's worth I'm not sure about what I'm doing, it's my first build and I'm going with my gut and help from the forum.
As for the kits needing more in them, I would agree based on my build. In all fairness, no pun intended, I know Jacques designed this boat a long time ago and I'm adding glass in places he did not call for. I will present my BOM at completion for Jeff and Jacques to review. I will say this, every epoxy kit they sale should include four things they don't have in them now. A tube of Ben Gay,a bottle of Aleve, a heating pad and an ice bag!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stay safe down there and God Bless

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:55 pm
by Jeff
Maybe a new kit may be in order!! Good luck with the hurricane!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:23 pm
by Eric1
Hope the storm is staying away from y'all.
It took all day but I have the whole boat sanded. I sponge mop her in the morning and resume fairing.
All done with orbital and 80 grit.

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I'm tired and I'm going to the house.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:40 pm
by Fuzz
You might be tired and sore at this point but the hull is really looking good.
Later on you will be glad you put in this amount of effort. Well maybe much later :lol: After the soreness goes away :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:15 pm
by seaslug
Eric, you're a braver man than I, taking on a 21 foot boat for your first build, and doing what appears to be very nice job. But, I was hoping you or someone else would have some special magic method of applying and sanding all this fairing filler. I think Jacques and the crew in Vero need to develop a revolutionary new wonder product you just throw on the hull with a broom, that flows out like a sheet of glass, with no sanding necessary.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:38 pm
by Eric1
seaslug wrote: But, I was hoping you or someone else would have some special magic method of applying and sanding all this fairing filler.
That's the idea behind the way I'm trying this. By adding a little at a time I hope to avoid having to heavy sand most of the boat. Who knows, I may be creating more work for myself. :doh: :lol:

Here is the second coat on the transom, I used 4 ounces of epoxy with 8 ounces of fairing mix by volume.

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Here is the second coat on the surface below the chine and above the trim line. I used 16.5 ounces of epoxy mixed 2 to 1 with fairing mix to do both sides.The fabric above the trim line was a 7.1 ounce plain weave so I'll go to quick Fair to finish it.

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My knees are sore from yesterday so I decided not to start the second coat on the bottom today.
I'm going to go pick up a pork tenderloin and some vegetables to roast for supper tonight.
Still hoping all of my Coastal friends are being spared from this Hurricane.
I'm watching the forum for updates and still praying for your safety.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:21 pm
by Jeff
Eric, thanks for your comments!! I think we were very lucky, for those of us south of Indian River County!! The hurricane could have been much worse!! My thoughts are with everyone from Jacksonville north up the coast!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:26 pm
by Eric1
I think Charleston is gonna get hit. Hopefully it will keep loosing strength.Local news is projecting Tybee island will be under water and most of Hilton Head too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:52 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you and the family stay safe!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:52 pm
by seaslug
Up here in Flagler power went out at 7:15 this morning, max winds probably 90, I've heard part of the pier came down, Snack Jacks restaurant on the ocean gone, and 10 blocks of A1A washed out. Mandatory evacuation, so I can't leave the house to look around. My house lost most of the screens on the pool enclosure, one gate ripped off, and the highest water in my canal in 39 years, not much more before I'm shampooing the carpets. Hope it doesn't get any higher. A lot of people I'm sure got hit hard, I'm lucky.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:05 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote:Eric, you and the family stay safe!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff, We are a long way inland.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:08 am
by Eric1
seaslug wrote:Up here in Flagler power went out at 7:15 this morning, max winds probably 90, I've heard part of the pier came down, Snack Jacks restaurant on the ocean gone, and 10 blocks of A1A washed out. Mandatory evacuation, so I can't leave the house to look around. My house lost most of the screens on the pool enclosure, one gate ripped off, and the highest water in my canal in 39 years, not much more before I'm shampooing the carpets. Hope it doesn't get any higher. A lot of people I'm sure got hit hard, I'm lucky.
I saw a1a on a video, it's eroded and the road has collapsed. St. Augustine is swamped. Praying for you my friend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:45 am
by Jeff
Sounds like SeaSlug has had it bad. Let us know if you get any further details on him or any of our other members. Headed to the office in about an hour to check on everything!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:15 pm
by danieloldhouse
Jeff wrote:Sounds like SeaSlug has had it bad. Let us know if you get any further details on him or any of our other members. Headed to the office in about an hour to check on everything!! Jeff
:( :( :( praying for him and for all involved in this tremendous moment

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:57 pm
by seaslug
Sea slug here, No need to worry, I came out fine with no serious damage. Still no power, but the weather is beautiful, dinner on the Coleman stove, and hoping the power comes on before I lose the Shrimp and Fish in the freezer. Guess I should own a little generator. Most of the damage around town was to older homes that weren't in great shape, lots of vinyl and aluminum siding gone along with older roof shingles. Could be a lot worse. Thanks for all your concern, can't wait to continue my build after the clean up. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:39 pm
by Eric1
seaslug wrote:Sea slug here, No need to worry, I came out fine with no serious damage. Still no power, but the weather is beautiful, dinner on the Coleman stove, and hoping the power comes on before I lose the Shrimp and Fish in the freezer. Guess I should own a little generator. Most of the damage around town was to older homes that weren't in great shape, lots of vinyl and aluminum siding gone along with older roof shingles. Could be a lot worse. Thanks for all your concern, can't wait to continue my build after the clean up. Mike
Very Happy to hear this!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:47 am
by danieloldhouse
seaslug wrote:Sea slug here, No need to worry, I came out fine with no serious damage. Still no power, but the weather is beautiful, dinner on the Coleman stove, and hoping the power comes on before I lose the Shrimp and Fish in the freezer. Guess I should own a little generator. Most of the damage around town was to older homes that weren't in great shape, lots of vinyl and aluminum siding gone along with older roof shingles. Could be a lot worse. Thanks for all your concern, can't wait to continue my build after the clean up. Mike
Thx God!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:49 am
by Jeff
Really good to hear SeaSlug!!! Hope the power is back soon!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:34 pm
by Eric1
I got some sanding done today. Transom looks good , one more coat of micro balloons before I switch to Quick Fair.

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This did well also,

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This side was the last I did friday around 2 pm. It is not sanding well and loading my paper with a hard plastic grit.
It is fingernail hard to the touch but I needs more time. I had to stop about halfway froward from transom.
I plan to run a couple of work lights on it to see if that will help it cure out. We were pretty chilly this morning, about 47 degrees.
Praying I don't have to strip it off. :roll:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:29 am
by Eric1
After running a couple of work lights the second side cured hard, so I finished sanding it.
Then I moved back to the Transom and started putting on third layer of fairing mix.

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I had a good bit left over from transom so I added it to the sides where the transom joins up.

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I'll start at the bow after lunch as this is the heaviest application.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:39 pm
by Jeff
Eric, this looks really good!! Send me the afternoon pics when you have a chance!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:35 pm
by Eric1
Hey Jeff,

I'll post them in the morning when I get to work. Cooler temps feel great but it is killing cure times.
I have had 2 halogen work lights on the transom since 10 am, it's still slightly tacky. I did another three ounce batch to the bow before
I left, 'i have a small space heater going on that tonight.
I may give you a call in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:05 pm
by Jeff
Eric, give me a call after you have had a look to see how well the curing has gone (overnight)!! Have a nice evening!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:12 am
by Eric1
This was yesterday afternoon's progress, Here is the bow with a small space heater I left running overnight.

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Here is the one side at transom, for control I did not use a heat soucre.

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This was the set up on the transom.

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The results are the control side set up as well as the other surfaces. Perhaps the proximity to the lights at transom skewed the results.
The bow set up but was the softer of all the surfaces. My guess is the heater did not bring much to the picture. I believe I would have to shroud any area I use the heater on to trap the warm air. I test sanded everything lightly and all surfaces are loading the paper with firm plastic particles. Here is a photo of the post cure on the transom, if you look closely you will see am "X" I made with my thumbnail.

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I believe the best results are from the power lights so I have those on the bow now.

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I talked with Jeff this morning and I placed an order for some fast hardener. I will mix it 1/1 with slow hardener for the first batch to see the results and pot life time. Our morning temp in the shop is around 69 degrees. That not far off from the 71 degrees it's been but we are barley seeing 80 in the afternoon, where we were seeing 89+ by quitting time.
Rather than waste time, I'm applying a third coat with what I have to the upper sides where I have low spots. Look close at the underside of the sprayrail. The rest of the mix I using to feather out the overlap from the 12 oz. cloth/tape. I hope once this cures and I sand it I can switch to Quick Fair.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:06 am
by Fuzz
Eric your boat is really looking good. Nice place to work in also.
I think you will be good with the fast/slow mi on the hardener. I keep my shop at 60 or less in the winter. I only use the fast hardener and it works fine. Most of the time I end up waiting over night for things to be ready to sand. Your shop being warmer and using a mix should be just right. As always I think making a small test batch would be a good idea :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:37 am
by Eric1
Just finished second coat opposite side.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:38 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote:Eric your boat is really looking good. Nice place to work in also.
I think you will be good with the fast/slow mi on the hardener. I keep my shop at 60 or less in the winter. I only use the fast hardener and it works fine. Most of the time I end up waiting over night for things to be ready to sand. Your shop being warmer and using a mix should be just right. As always I think making a small test batch would be a good idea :D
Hey Fuzz, Thanks for the info!! I'm not going to start the bottom until the fast stuff gets here.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:44 pm
by Jeff
Eric, your half gallon of Fast is shipping today!! I know it is not curing as fast as you want but you are really making some great progress!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:04 pm
by Fuzz
One more thing. I used a bunch of QuickFair on my dory and other projects. I have never had any problems with it going off and getting hard. The difference is it is never ready to sand in 4 hours. I normally need to let it set overnight and the next day it is good to go. One good part is I seem to have a much longer working time than most of you :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:19 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote:One more thing. I used a bunch of QuickFair on my dory and other projects. I have never had any problems with it going off and getting hard. The difference is it is never ready to sand in 4 hours. I normally need to let it set overnight and the next day it is good to go. One good part is I seem to have a much longer working time than most of you :lol:
Well Fuzz, All I can say is you found a way to look at it in a positive fashion. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:35 pm
by Eric1
I've been steady sanding today since 8 am. I lost an hour and a half for lunch and return of a sander.
After maybe 10 hours of time I wore the sander out. I returned it and I got a new one.
Here is the transom sanded after two coats of fairing mix. I believe I can switch to Quick Fair now.
What do y'all think?

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I got started on this corner but I'm wore out and I'm feeling it in my shoulder. That is going to be a wrap for today.

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If I work on it anymore I'll post progress. Y'all have a good weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:53 pm
by Jeff
Eric, nice work!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:07 pm
by cvincent
Eric, in my opinion you will are ok moving forward with quick fair at this point. Quick fair is great to work with.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:55 pm
by danieloldhouse
Good progress Eric, thanks for your prompt updates! Have a nice weekend

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:59 pm
by Eric1
cvincent wrote:Eric, in my opinion you will are ok moving forward with quick fair at this point. Quick fair is great to work with.
I'm looking forward to using it. Everyone seems to like it.
danieloldhouse wrote:Good progress Eric, thanks for your prompt updates! Have a nice weekend
Jeff wrote:Eric, nice work!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff
Thank You Gentlemen! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:53 pm
by pee wee
Is that a pneumatic body file you've got there? How do you like it for sanding a boat hull?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:21 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote:Is that a pneumatic body file you've got there? How do you like it for sanding a boat hull?
Yes Hank it is. It's great to use where you are working a flatter section of hull. Have to be mindful around the bow as it will cut an unwanted flat real quick. It also reminds you how bad of shape your triceps are in when sanding a transom! :lol: It wasn't that bad but I was wore out after today's session. O'Reilleys auto part for 69 bucks. If you get one be sure and tighten the screws and nuts that hold the sanding plate to the actuator. I didn't on the first one, and the star washer wore through the plate. First thing I checked on second one and sure enough they were only finger tight.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:19 am
by Fuzz
It is cheating to use an air sander :!: You need to be using a fairing board, it builds character :lol:
Boat is looking good. You are going to like using the QuickFair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:19 pm
by MrPaul
Fuzz wrote:It is cheating to use an air sander :!: You need to be using a fairing board, it builds character :lol:
Boat is looking good. You are going to like using the QuickFair.
I started cheating with a dual action sander. Fairing boards build character, and they build muscles. :lol:

With the bad shoulder it's probably best you stay away from the fairing board.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:53 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote:I started cheating with a dual action sander. Fairing boards build character, and they build muscles. :lol:

With the bad shoulder it's probably best you stay away from the fairing board.
Right you are Mr. Paul. I'm also using some Durabloks and they work on the shoulder.It's gonna take me longer with my shoulder the way it is but I will get this done. I just have to stop more often and take breaks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:43 pm
by Eric1
I continued sanding today. Finished the sides from chine to trim.
Fast hardener came in also. I still have some deeper places I need to fill so I'll get a batch made in the morning.
The bow is a sweat hog! :lol: The bright spots in the first picture are low areas I need to fill.
Third picture is a close up of that area. I'll scuff that shine off before I fill it in the morning.
I'm envious of you guys that are building skiffs!!!

Anyway, I hope everyone had a good day. Here are the pictures.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:29 am
by MrPaul
Eric

I've quit using the fairy dust and resin mixture and started using the quick fair. It's easier to apply and easier to sand (like a night and day difference). I haven't done a cost analysis on it but once you count the cost of the epoxy you use, the fairy dust fairing method is still expensive.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:58 pm
by Eric1
This morning I mixed a 50/50 blend of fast hardener to slow. Threw a three 3 oz. batches to fill the worst of the lows. Was finished by 10:30 am., all have set up and will be ready for sanding in the morning. It's 5:50 pm and they are not even tacky!!

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I started using a small coffee grinder to mix the microballoons and silica. It does a great job of turning the chunky silica to powder.
After dumping the mixture out you have to scrap the silica out of the bowl though. My guess is it is hygroscopic which causes the clumping.
You get a really smooth fairing compound using this method.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:55 pm
by Jeff
Great tip Eric!! Glad it is going well for you now!! Thank you, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:13 pm
by Eric1
After a busy week at work with new projects I came in this morning to reclaim my new title of Dust Monkey! :lol:

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This crap gets in everything and travels all over the shop.

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I started around 9 and I'm done for the day. My dang shoulder can't handle more than a few hours. :(
Here pictures of what got done. I had just vacuumed and sponge moped. First twelve feet on the side and the transom.

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Y'all have a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:21 pm
by Eric1
I believe I have finished the rough sanding from the chine to the trim line. I think I'll prime it next then I will fill with Quick fair.
I know I have some low areas but I can't tell how much the primer will cover until I use some. Does this sound like a smart move to y'all?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:34 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I will call you in the morning. I agree on going to the primer now!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:01 pm
by MrPaul
I've been fairing for 6 weeks. Your making me feel like a slow poke.

Your boat looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:23 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote:I've been fairing for 6 weeks. Your making me feel like a slow poke.

Your boat looks great!

I've only faired from the chine to the trim line and the transom. Thank You for the compliment though. :)
I'm going to put another coat above the trim line in the morning. I would like to prime both of those surfaces
at the same time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:47 am
by topwater
Eric if you know they are low at this point they will be low with primer, hit them now then prime.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:53 am
by bateau-webmaster
She looks pretty fair to me, but priming is a good way to see all the little fairing mistakes. If you are to the point where it's hard to find obvious spots to add fairing to, then yes I'd say it's time to prime.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:54 am
by bateau-webmaster
by the same token, I'd say just do a single coat first, touch up your fairing, and re-prime once you're satisfied with it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:20 am
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote:by the same token, I'd say just do a single coat first, touch up your fairing, and re-prime once you're satisfied with it.
THis was the plan I have in mind. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:35 am
by Jeff
Good Eric. Send me some photos after the first cost of primer!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:31 am
by TomW1
Eric if you want to check it and get a really good fair boat do a guide coat. Use a fast drying spray paint like Krylon or 3M's Guide Coat if you can find it. Then sand and it will show your low's and highs.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:16 am
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,
I have not touched the boat this week due to work load at the shop.
I decided to hold off on the primer for now as I really want to fair the upper panel first.
That way I can prime both side panels together. I am doing a test on fairing technique to see how to go about fairing the lighter cloth.
It's only a 7.1 ounce fabric so I mixed 6 ounces of epoxy to 4 ounces of fairing mix. I rolled it on with a foam roller. I covered what you see in two passes until I could see an orange peel look, then I gently "tipped" it with a squeegee. I plan to sand this with 120 to start as it is a thinner coating. I'm just trying to fill the weave without a lot of build.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:47 am
by Jeff
Eric, nice!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:38 am
by mmachonis
Eric,

This is Mark Machonis from Mark's C21. How are you! I hope you recovered from the storm without too much trouble.

I was looking through your posts to get some ideas for ensuring that my laying of the fiberglass cloth goes smoothly. Thanks for your pictures, they are very helpful. I have a question about the use of the rotary cutter along the style line. When you are trimming the fiberglass cloth along the stlye line, are you trimming the cloth against the lower panel so the cloth folds over edge of the panel overlap or are you trimming the fiberglass so it is flush with the upper side panel face edge? Ultimately, I am trying to find out if the cross section edge of the upper panel, where the upper panel and lower panel meet and overlap, is covered with fiberglass cloth. Or is that edge only covered with resin without any cloth. I would hope that it is covered with cloth? Does the cloth bend over edges more easily than the tape? Jacques has always said that the tape needs a 1/2 round in order for the tape lay flat without any air pockets. Does the fabric lay on an edge easily? As you say in your post, wait until the fabric is still in a plastic state before cutting. In doing so, will the fabric fold over that edge and stick easily?

Similarly, the fabric that covers the lower panel from the Chine to the Style line, does that fabric overlap the top panel at the style line? Or does the fabric get cut just at the style line flush with the lower panel?

Lastly, when did you put the fabric over the transom, before or after you finished the bottom and sides?

Thanks.

Mark

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:51 am
by Eric1
Hi Mark,

I hope you enjoying your build. For my build there is no overlap at the style line. I trimmed at the corners trying to keep a square edge.
If you try to overlap without building a radius or transition it won't work. This leaves the edge of the plywood exposed but that is going to be addressed when I finish fairing. My plan is tape off below the style line and pour a slightly thickened epoxy milled fiber radius to cover it. Once I have both the upper and lower panels faired I'll go back and do this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:14 pm
by Eric1
I came in to see the results of the test. I am pleased with what I found, but first I want to go on a short rant.
One of the tools I'm "cheating" with is an inline air file. I had to return the first one due to the backing plate wearing through. The second one has given me nothing but trouble. I mean to the point of cussing and feeling the need to throw it against the concrete floor. The only thing that stopped me is I want to get my money back. Here is a picture of the Terd, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THIS BRAND!!! I have a $15,000.00 scroll compressor for the shop and the dang tool would only run for 2 minutes and it would lock up like it was air starved. I had pressure at 95 psi, Shop air is 125 psi, it ain't lack of air. :x :x :x

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Lesson learned I bought a new one from Amazon. It cost me $280.00 ish. It is not a piston design but uses a geared track. Much smoother operation and it works! American made not a wang chung import!

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Ok, so now that's of my chest here are the test results. I started with 120 as planned but it was cutting to slow. I switched back to 80 an got down to business! This really shows the low areas well, I am quite please with the results of the roll technique for lighter weight cloth. From my past experience with fiberglass I would say this would work well up to an 8 ounce fabric. Any lamination above that will need a thicker mix to fill the weave and show the lows with the same contrast. Understand I'm speaking more to the small lows not the obvious large areas.

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A little closer.

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Well I'm off to do one thick fill on the a few areas on the chine panels then I go buy tickets for the hay ride and corn maze with my girls tonight. I hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:11 pm
by Jeff
Great information Eric!! Clearly helpful for the builders!!! Have a fun weekend with your girls!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:47 pm
by Jeff
Have not had an update from you in the last few days, all well up your way? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:05 am
by Eric1
Hi Jeff,
Thank for checking in on me. The boat is on standby for now. I'm am busy with new work in the machine shop. I make all the fixtures and write all the programs for our CNC's. Plus I Step through each new setup to proof the process. Right now I'm fighting with my lower back, it's very painful and stiff. I'm taking a prescription muscle relaxer that makes me a goofball when I get home. It's a bit much but I never surrender and I will get back to the boat when things settle down.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:30 am
by cape man
Hope the back heals. I had three years of it in early 2000's that I remember too well. Hard to build anything when you're hurting. Jealous of the air tools :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:34 am
by topwater
Hell i'm jealous of the shop :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:14 am
by Jeff
Eric, glad your shop is busy but hate hearing about your health!! Take care of yourself and watch those crazy meds!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:28 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote:Hope the back heals. I had three years of it in early 2000's that I remember too well. Hard to build anything when you're hurting. Jealous of the air tools :wink:
Thank you for wishing me well. The air tools are a blessing. :)
topwater wrote:Hell i'm jealous of the shop :!:
It used to make good money but competing against China and Mexico has us surviving not growing. Level the playing field and no country can out produce us.
Jeff wrote:Eric, glad your shop is busy but hate hearing about your health!! Take care of yourself and watch those crazy meds!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:18 am
by MrPaul
It used to make good money but competing against China and Mexico has us surviving not growing. Level the playing field and no country can out produce us.

Looks like that might just happen. Soon! On the down side...you might be so busy you don't have time to build your boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:16 am
by Eric1
Wow, I can't believe it's been almost a month. I have been busy with work, family and church. I'd forgotten how busy life can get through the holidays!
I put another 6 ounce of fairing compound on today. I might get more on after lunch.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:35 am
by Jeff
Glad to hear from you!! Hope all is well with you and your girls!! Happy holidays, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:40 pm
by danieloldhouse
I'm very glad to hear you're ok, waiting for more pictures :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:51 pm
by Eric1
Hi Everyone! I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!!! I got some work done today on the build and thought to share pictures of the progress.
I started out sanding where I left off. A couple of hours with the air file and orbital got this section done.

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I decided to work in 3 oz. bathes today so I could take little breaks and give my shoulder a rest. I didn't want to get halfway into a large mix and have to stop if it acted up.

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Next:

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I had enough fairing mix to do one more batch. I decided to put it on the aft section as it takes a bit more to fair the tape overlaps.

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I may get to do a little more tomorrow afternoon. I have to hit the DMV in the morning to renew my license, let my 15 year old get her permit and my oldest will hopefully pass her road test this go around. :lol:
If for some reason I don't post before Jan.1 2017, I hope you all have a safe and Very Happy New Year!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:04 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Good to have you back on the forum!! Best of luck at the DMV!! I remember my daughter getting her license about 12 years ago now!! They grow up too fast!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:01 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff. It has gone too fast!!
So far tonight the shoulder is fine, no pain. Hopefully I can get back on this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:15 pm
by Jeff
No pain is always good Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:21 pm
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,

I got back to slinging mud today. Again 3 oz. mixes.

First mix finished trim line to sheer and started working the bottom.

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Next batch went on other side of bottom.

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I'm going to do one more batch of mud then I'm headed to the house to get cleaned up. I don't go out on New Year's Eve so I'm taking these two out for a dinner tonight. :D :D :D

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I wish you all a Very Happy New Year!! Be Smart, Don't drink and drive. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:35 pm
by Eric1
Last Batch this year.

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Other side.

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For posterity,
I don't don't need your rocking chair, Your Geritol or Obamacare,
I still got Lighting in these veins, this gray hair don't mean a thang!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:33 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!!! Happy New Year to you and your girls!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:07 am
by Eric1
Just wanted to post to let y'all know I'm still alive. :lol: I've been blessed with a ton of work in the shop. The only drawback is I have a supervisor out from a motorcycle wreck so I'm running machines to help keep up production. There is not a day that goes by that has me wishing I could work on my build. I have to keep the machine turning to make a living first.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:41 pm
by MrPaul
MrPaul wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:18 am
It used to make good money but competing against China and Mexico has us surviving not growing. Level the playing field and no country can out produce us.

Looks like that might just happen. Soon! On the down side...you might be so busy you don't have time to build your boat.
Told ya

I hope your supervisor is better soon and it frees up a little time for you to build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:46 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:41 pm
MrPaul wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:18 am
It used to make good money but competing against China and Mexico has us surviving not growing. Level the playing field and no country can out produce us.

Looks like that might just happen. Soon! On the down side...you might be so busy you don't have time to build your boat.
Told ya

I hope your supervisor is better soon and it frees up a little time for you to build.
Thanks Mr. Paul.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:19 pm
by MrPaul
I was enjoying the show. This thread is definitely boat porn at its best!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:23 pm
by Eric1
Worked on the Boat today. Last Friday I put 9 ozs. of Fairing compound on the bottom. Today I added another eighteen. Moving at the speed of a racing turtle! :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:58 pm
by Jeff
Nice work and good to hear from you!!! Boat really looking good!! Hope you and the kids are doing well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:02 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff, We are all doing well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:19 pm
by Eric1
I finished putting the first coat of fairing compound on the bottom today. To cover from keel to chine I've used 51 ounces of epoxy. I put this on thicker than I did the sides. I feel like I was putting it on to thin when I worked the sides and I still have work to do there. I'm going to treat this like 6 sections. I plan to fair the two "sections" that form the keel from transom to bow. I'll work forward until the shape becomes heavily curved. Then I'll work the middle two and then the chine. Once I have this coat done I'll fill the strakes and spray rail. After that I'll go to quick fair for final fairing. I don't know if this is best approach, but when I was fairing the sides the surface under the spray rail was problematic. This way I hope to avoid the issues I had. To be honest, I most likely would not use the closed cell foam for the strakes and rail again. That has created more work than I believe was needed for the benefit they will bring.

Here is the Boat "Porn"

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From the bow.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:52 pm
by Fuzz
I think working in sections is a good deal. On a larger project it does not feel like you are getting any where if you try to do it all at once. At least it does to me.
Boat is looking really good. Keep plugging along and it will get done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:03 pm
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,

I decided to start fairing the bottom today. These are pictures of the first cut with #80 grit.
I had to take four pictures to show the entire surface. I've ordered another 1 1/2 gallon kit of Quick Fair.
I'm getting tired of the wait time to start sanding using epoxy and micro balloons. I still have half a bag left
of the fairing mix and I'll use it in deeper spots as needed.

Here is where I am today.

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Moving forward towards bow.
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I started getting into the curve of the bow so I stopped with the air file. The last thing I want to do is introduce flat spots.

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I plan to come in and work another section tomorrow. Y'all have a great weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:43 pm
by Jeff
Eric, nice work!! Glad to see you back on the boat!! Quick Fair shipping today!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:55 am
by Eric1
I'm just now getting back to work. I last worked on this on a week ago. I caught the flu and was out all last week, still don't have a voice.
I'm really happy with the first half. All the lows areas were where I thought they would be. I had to modify my sanding plan because I'l a bit lazy. I didn't feel like dragging my work tables back and forth to do it the way I planned. Here are couple of pictures of the progress. What do y'all think?

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From the Bow.
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I'm going to grab a bite of lunch and start the other side.
P.S. Jeff, The quick Fair came in fine last week. Thank You.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:04 pm
by Fuzz
Looks to me like you are darn close to the priming stage. Very nice looking work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:08 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Very nice, good progress Eric! Clearly visible lows, and as long as all the high spots are mostly smooth that's exactly where you want her. Now she's ready for a semi-final quick fair pass, more sanding, and then primer (at least on that section).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:28 pm
by TomW1
I am not sure how sure how well you want to get the bottom fair, but now is the time to apply a primer coat before you add any more fairing material. I like a blue fast drying Krylon, there are other options also. It has been discussed before. You want to keep the spray can moving to get dots not a solid coat. Once it is on and dry then do a sanding and it will show you your lows and how low they are so you can put in the right amount of fairing material.

Good luck

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:31 pm
by pee wee
TomW1 wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:28 pm I am not sure how sure how well you want to get the bottom fair, but now is the time to apply a primer coat before you add any more fairing material.
I think he meant to say guide coat, not primer coat- it can be spray paint, ink, graphite powder, anything that is easily visible when applied and so the low spots will retain the material after sanding to point out where filler is needed. You can get fancy and buy a special product from the automotive paint suppliers, but as Tom said, cheap spray paint will work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:34 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the guide coat reminder! I'm not quite ready to go to Quick Fair. I still have a couple of areas I'll use the micro balloons on. The tape transitions at bow and transom will need a thicker fill. after that I'll go to Quick Fair.
The bottom has taught me a few things. I will most likely have to go back and do a complete fairing job on the side panel from chine to trim line. I'm concerned I have overworked the fairing there. I am showing glass in far to many places for my liking. I plan to address this after I finish the bottom.
Thank You to everyone for your input!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:02 pm
by Eric1
I almost got side 2 sanded. My arms gave out around 3 pm.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:20 pm
by Jeff
Really looking good Eric!! Nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:40 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:19 am
by danieloldhouse
Oh oh, flippin' in sight! :wink: Very nice, Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:18 pm
by Eric1
I finished sanding the bottom this morning. As I said I have a little more work to do with the epoxy microballoons.
Here is the low area at the transom.

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I mixed another 3 oz batch and filled as follows. I do this to the other side and the bow areas.
Then I plan to switch to Quick Fair.

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Well I got the other side at transom done and my coffee grinder gave up the ghost. I'm headed to Wal Mart for another one.
I like using it, I get a really nice creamy mixture when I grind the silica and micro balloons first.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:59 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!! I will ensure I pass-on the coffee grinder tip!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:40 pm
by Dutch1
Re: the coffee grinder.

It works great!! I bought a cheap one from goodwill and sat there one night and ground up the whole bag I got from BBC. As Eric says it was very smooth with no bumps at all.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:35 pm
by joe2700
Dutch1 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:40 pm Re: the coffee grinder.

It works great!! I bought a cheap one from goodwill and sat there one night and ground up the whole bag I got from BBC. As Eric says it was very smooth with no bumps at all.
Does it make the product harder to sand or more dense? I'm imagining it crushing the balloons so you end up with something closer to silica than fairing filler but maybe I have it wrong.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:13 pm
by Eric1
joe2700 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:35 pm
Dutch1 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:40 pm Re: the coffee grinder.

It works great!! I bought a cheap one from goodwill and sat there one night and ground up the whole bag I got from BBC. As Eric says it was very smooth with no bumps at all.
Does it make the product harder to sand or more dense? I'm imagining it crushing the balloons so you end up with something closer to silica than fairing filler but maybe I have it wrong.
Hey Joe,

It does not not affect the sanding from what I've seen. Keep in mind, I'm only pulsing the grinder for a few seconds.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:02 pm
by joe2700
Ahh, I was picturing a burr grinder. I can totally see how a blade grinder would just break apart any clumps.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:15 pm
by Eric1
Started this morning putting on another 3 oz batch in the low surface at the bow. I had a little left over and used it on the other side.
Good idea I thought, Not so much, That prevented me from filling the other side because I had wet out my guide surface. :roll: :lol:

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So I decided to move on to something I have been dreading, filling the strakes. I had to kiss sand these from where I dripped fairing compound when I was working the bottom. I applied tape to the bottom to keep from building that surface any higher. Then mixed another 3 oz batch and went to work.

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I'll hit the bow in the morning. After that I have to hang and wire a bunch of LED lights in the shop.
I may not get much done on the boat tomorrow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:46 pm
by Eric1
The weekend passed without further boat work. Seems my teenage daughters made other plans for me.
So, I got back to it today in and around machine shop business. I picked up filling the other side of the bow.

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After that I taped the strakes on the other side and started filling those in.

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Third batch for the day was to fill the chine to transom and also the radials at the transom.

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I used the last bit on opposite side and on the spray rail.

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Wow! I just realized in the last picture you can see how bright the new LED shop lights are!
I can't wait until I get the rest of the up. I only got six up last Friday before I ran out of steam. :)
I hope to get the rest of the spray rail filled in the morning. Y'all have a good evening.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:06 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you got a whole lot of work done today and the boat is really showing well!! By the way, the new lights look great and no yellowish anymore in photos!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:28 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff! I thought I had already posted that but I guess I didn't, sorry about that.
Well I have a couple of tired arms. I sanded the second fill at transom, the strakes and the second fill on the bow from yesterday and today.
I was not able to use the air file on the strakes other than knocking of the overlaps from the spatula. The tools weight and aggressive nature had it trying to cut into the glass where the strake meets the bottom surface. This means I had to hand sand all of that! 8O
None the less it's done! I have the highest respect for those of you who have faired really big boats, it's a ton of work.

Here is a photo of where I am thus far. The white spot is a low spot that's shiny and reflecting the lights.

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Tomorrow's plan is to finish filling the spray rail and sand the trim line down. Then i'll have to wait until next Thursday before I apply Quick Fair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:34 pm
by Jeff
Eric, that future US Navy Grey Boat is really coming along nicely!!!! Enjoy your break from sanding!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:42 pm
by MrPaul
I'm starting to feel like a slacker. You finished fairing a bigger boat a lot faster than I've done mine. Bad shoulder and all. Looks like I need to pick up the pace.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:57 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:34 pm Eric, that future US Navy Grey Boat is really coming along nicely!!!! Enjoy your break from sanding!!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff! I am looking forward to a small break. :wink:
MrPaul wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:42 pm I'm starting to feel like a slacker. You finished fairing a bigger boat a lot faster than I've done mine. Bad shoulder and all. Looks like I need to pick up the pace.
Ah, It's just that grass is greener thing. :)
I'd truly hoped to have this done by summer but I doubt that is going to happen.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:31 pm
by cape_fisherman
I'm pretty sure I saw pictures where you glassed in the strakes and chine (spray rail). It really helps to fair the hull before adding those pieces. Then you don't have them to work around for the bulk of the fairing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:15 pm
by Eric1
Spray rails filled. Used left over where it was needed.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:11 am
by Browndog
Looking really good! Are you going to paint the boat before flipping it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:18 am
by Eric1
Thank You Browndog! Yes I plan to paint before I flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:41 pm
by Eric1
Today was a day of sanding. Got both sides sanded out below the trim line.
Also got the spray rail sanded on this side.
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Other side, still working the spray rail rail.
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Found this left over work from a while back. I'd completely forgotten about it. :lol:
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I'll have to mix some more microballoons for this fill. The chine to trim I can use Quick Fair.
I remembered it when I looked out the back door and saw this deviation.

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I hope to come fill this in the morning.
Y'all have a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:26 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you and your girls have a nice weekend as well!! Glad to see you are back on the boat and it is really looking nice now!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:19 am
by pee wee
Your persistence is paying off, it's getting done! This is a good reminder of how keeping the pressure on, slogging ahead with the part of the process that most people dislike is the quickest way to get it behind and on to the next phase of the build.

That's looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:55 am
by Eric1
Hank, I really appreciate those words. It's true fairing is not a great deal of fun. You just have to get through it. To wit, I finished sanding the starboard spray rail. Then I moved forward to more fill work. I used a total of 6 ounces of fairing mix and applied it as shown. I think I can go to Quick Fair next week. I really won't be sure until I get this sanded out.

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Transom transition was still low so I used the leftover mix to fill it one more time.

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I'm going to pick up my Beautiful girls and take them to lunch. Y'all enjoy the day!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:38 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Everyone,

I started my day at Lowes for some paint sticks. The guy in the paint department gave my a dozen of the large ones for free! 8)
I was surprised, Your lucky to get the time of day for that anymore. Then I picked up a gallon of Moo Juice for my girls and ran it by the house on the way to the shop. Then I mist sprayed my work surface with water and wiped it down. I'd sponge mopped the entire hull couple days back but there was still some fine dust left on it. I have a fan rigged to blow across the hull while I work so I turned it on to dry out the damp spots. Then I went and made some coffee. I got out the Quick Fair and read the instructions again. Then I covered my scale with a gallon ziplock to keep it clean.

I opened part A first. It looked like "Silly Putty" for those of you old enough to know what that is. Next up was part B, When I opened it there was a yellow oil like liquid on top of the compound. I figure since it has sat over a year this was normal. i spent some time folding and mixing this back in the compound. I scooped out 7 ounces of part A in my weigh boat with the stick I labelled A. Then got out 3 ounces of part B. I stirred the two together until it was streaked looking. I decided to get it out of the container and on to my mortar board. There I finished mixing with a small spatula. That was a lot easier than mixing in the weigh boat.

On to the hull. I decided I'd work the merge surface of the two bottom pieces. As I started I used a 5" spatula to put the quick fair on the boat. Once I had enough down I used a 14" wide piece of G10 fiber glass to smooth over the quick fair. As I went I saw I most of the low areas were from the tape over laps so I continued with the 5" spatula only on that "line". I was not sure how far 10 ounces would, I felt this would give me a better idea.

First impression, WOW this is so much easier and nicer to use than epoxy/balloon mix. It spreads like a thick frosting and is smooth as silk under the spatula. Only near the end did it feel slightly gummy. That said, It probably felt that way as I was using the last remnants from the spatula. I'll come back around 3 pm to see if it has cured. I finished right at 11 am and the shop temperature was 68 degrees. As of now I kinda wished I had started with this stuff. I know it costs a bit more but the way it mixes and if it cures that quickly (4 hour) as opposed to overnight, it is worth every penny.

The goods:
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This is how far the batch went. That's about a foot short of the lifting strake.
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Well I'm headed to the grocery store for a few things. I'll post later when I check on the cure state. Y'all have a great weekend!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:44 am
by BB Sig
Good work even if you made me feel old with the silly putty comment.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:13 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I am not sure how warm your shop is but temperature will make a huge difference in the cure time. System3 says 4 hours to machine sand if the temp is 77f. My work area is usually around 60f and I find it works best for me to let things set overnight.
I do love the QuickFair. I have found it to be pretty forgiving. I mix by eye, 2 scoops to one scoop, and have not had a problem yet. Most of us put it on way too thick and end up sanding most of it back off. As Cracker Larry says "we are not icing a cake here" I found that to be good advise from "The Man" :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:39 pm
by narfi
One of my son's friends had some silly putty the other day, so it's still around.

I asked him if he knew how to lift comics out of the funny paper with it. He didn't, nor did he know what a funny paper was......

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:44 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:44 am Good work even if you made me feel old with the silly putty comment.
Thank You, Sorry I made you feel that way. I feel old when my kids say "what is silly putty? :lol:
Fuzz wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:13 pm Eric I am not sure how warm your shop is but temperature will make a huge difference in the cure time. System3 says 4 hours to machine sand if the temp is 77f. My work area is usually around 60f and I find it works best for me to let things set overnight.
I do love the QuickFair. I have found it to be pretty forgiving. I mix by eye, 2 scoops to one scoop, and have not had a problem yet. Most of us put it on way too thick and end up sanding most of it back off. As Cracker Larry says "we are not icing a cake here" I found that to be good advise from "The Man" :D
Shop was 70 when I left, I'll check it but I don't think it will be ready to sand today. I did throw it thick in that low line, but I know it needed it. We'll see after I sand. That's why I only did this one batch today. I have no idea of how low these lows are. I miss Cracker Larry a bunch, I hope he gets better soon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:56 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:39 pm One of my son's friends had some silly putty the other day, so it's still around.

I asked him if he knew how to lift comics out of the funny paper with it. He didn't, nor did he know what a funny paper was......
That's Exactly what I'm talking about! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:19 pm
by TomW1
Eric sounds like you need to put a guide coat down. Use anything from Krylon fast drying spray paint, I like the bright blue on the purple mix, but black works well on Quik fair, keep the can moving so you only get dots. You can also use graphite spread very lightly, or there is a product on line specifically made for guide coats. Once you put it down sand the hull lightly and you will see the highs and lows very clearly and how deep the lows are. This will prevent you from wasting Quik Fair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:02 pm
by MrPaul
Tom is right. I've wasted a ton of quick fair. I've used over a gallon on my xf 20....so far. If I try to sand too quick when its cooler in my shop it instantly gums up my sand paper even though it feels dry. If it's below 70, i let it sit overnight before sanding it. I really need to get my fairing done quick. Looks like you're about to pass me up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:52 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:19 pm Eric sounds like you need to put a guide coat down. Use anything from Krylon fast drying spray paint, I like the bright blue on the purple mix, but black works well on Quik fair, keep the can moving so you only get dots. You can also use graphite spread very lightly, or there is a product on line specifically made for guide coats. Once you put it down sand the hull lightly and you will see the highs and lows very clearly and how deep the lows are. This will prevent you from wasting Quik Fair.
Let me get this straight, I put the guide coat on before Quick fair? Then sand?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:03 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
I haven't done a boat yet but have done a few tractors and couple semi cabs and assuming it the same process. I would fill just obvious low spots then light spray of black rattle can to where it looks like confetti or if you have the carbon powder stuff and do a light rub over. When you go over it with your board .repeat this tedious process till it comes out as straight as you like. But I would think you would need to put a thin coat down first since fiberglass is not remotely smooth

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:11 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:03 pm I haven't done a boat yet but have done a few tractors and couple semi cabs and assuming it the same process. I would fill just obvious low spots then light spray of black rattle can to where it looks like confetti or if you have the carbon powder stuff and do a light rub over. When you go over it with your board .repeat this tedious process till it comes out as straight as you like. But I would think you would need to put a thin coat down first since fiberglass is not remotely smooth
Thanks, I think I'm on track. What I filled was clearly low. I plan to do the other side tomorrow. It to has the same obvious lows. Then I'll spot fill the rest of those two surfaces and move on to a guide coat. It's my first boat build so some of this is new to me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:13 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
The left side to me looks a little heavy on auto you would be going for almost see though except for the low spots.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:15 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:13 pm The left side to me looks a little heavy on auto you would be going for almost see though except for the low spots.
I think you may be right. I'll sand it down tomorrow and try to learn from that first coat. I really appreciate all the help.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:14 pm
by Eric1
I managed to get a little done today. I lost a part of an old filling over the weekend. A quick trip to the dentist and $333.00 and I got to work by 11:00.

So, I sanded the Quick Fair out. Unbelievable how easy it is to sand!!! 8O 8)
Makes a heck of a mess though. Whats comes up is almost baby powder.
I'll take that for all the benefits!!
I have some obvious lows, mostly from me putting it on poorly. :lol:
To my surprise it was not applied to thick. Y'all had me kinda concerned I was screwing up but I think it's fine.
I suppose I can see what's needed better than my photos show.

Never the less, I sprayed a guide coat on the work surface. I'm gonna wait until morning before I mess with it.
Should I stick to #80 grit or drop to #120 to kiss sand the guide coat?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:27 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Looks good to me when I was saying heavy I was just meaning more elbow grease required.lol it looked like some of my work the other guys i worked with filler job looks about like the sanded job couple passes they would be done. So you get to work at 11:00 then lunch and fairing that a long cycle time lol

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:43 pm
by Eric1
Not a normal day, I lost a filling over the weekend. First stop dentist this morning. New Fairing err filling in old tooth, $333.00. I thought quick fair was pricey, Boy Please! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:49 pm
by Jeff
Eric, a filling is never fun!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:15 am
by TomW1
You can drop to 120 for the rest of you fairing now that you are using Quick Fair or you can stay with the 80 for faster sanding. Your choice is really you. The guide coat looks really good. Just leave it in the lows and go right over it with the Quick Fair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:45 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:15 am You can drop to 120 for the rest of you fairing now that you are using Quick Fair or you can stay with the 80 for faster sanding. Your choice is really you. The guide coat looks really good. Just leave it in the lows and go right over it with the Quick Fair.
You Must have read my mind. I dropped to 120 to knock off the blue paint. I thought I was doing a good job until I saw what the guide coat left behind.
Besides the obvious that guide coat shows the faintest low spots (and there a plenty of them). I'm trying to figure the best way to approach this. I'm thinking fill the larger surfaces with a 5" and 12" spatula, let those spot harden. Then kiss sand those and try to feather in the areas that need a tiny amount. I'm going to try an experiment first. I've taken a strip of counter top material (Formica) and fixed that to my 24" hard foam sanding block with two sided tape. The theory is It will flex enough to fill without overfilling. Since That block is what I'm using to sand with, I thought this approach has some merit. We shall see. I'll post pictures of the test as I go.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:53 pm
by Eric1
Maybe I was not suppose to work on the boat today.
I found out why I had to rush order 2500 lbs of stainless last week. We ran out of a critical size and my supervisor told me all the order up untill then had been delivered. Well I went to place a material order for another 216 bars of 1 5/8" stainless today and the Vendor reminded me I have 80 bars due in monday on a Purchase Order that I show had been delivered. It was supposed to have been here on 2/13/2017 it some how got scheduled for 3/13/2017. That's about $11,000 in raw materials I'm having to adjust.
Then my brother had called an electrician to hang the new outside lights today. I had to stop what I was doing and make 4 custom mount to adapt these to the old hardware. While I'm trying to do that my nephew kept interrupting me until I sent him to the shipping department. I get the brackets made and I told my brother he would have to go to lowes and pick up 8 bolts,nuts and washer to put up the lights. I look up and he sent the electrician home because he was to busy to go to lowes.
So already frustrated from the days events I proceeded to test my idea.
I mixed 5 ounce of Quick Fair. While the theory seemed plausible it yielded frustration.
The formica spatula I made was leaving far to much with moderate pressure. If I applied heavy pressure it was lifting to much up.
I was busy as an eight legged cat after a laxative, trying to cover this up.
I ended up just spot filling the obvious places as not to waste the Quick fair.
Moral of the story...Somedays your are the windsheild, Somedays you are the bug. :roll:
Here is the result:
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:01 pm
by Jeff
Just hope there are more "windshield" days than "bug" days!! Looks really good!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:50 pm
by TomW1
Jeff wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:01 pm Just hope there are more "windshield" days than "bug" days!! Looks really good!! Jeff
Eric I hope your future days are better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:15 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:50 pm
Jeff wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:01 pm Just hope there are more "windshield" days than "bug" days!! Looks really good!! Jeff
Eric I hope your future days are better.
Thank You. Most days are good,Today just got to me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:00 pm
by Fuzz
When I have one of those days I always think back to one of my worst days and compare it to that. 99.9% of the time it doe not even come close so it rates "it is just a thang, from CapeMan" Hard to compete with explosion, fire, and abandon ship :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:47 am
by bateau-webmaster
Two points on the formica spreader idea. (not a bad idea) depending on the formica thickness, you may want to back it with something thick but flexible. (I'm imagining .5mm formica, like you see on a countertop or so, correct me if I'm wrong here) The other thing is that the formica has a very stiff rigid edge, which you would want to round over a bit, otherwise it will give you those little hard edge lines where the spreader hangs up on any of the surface it catches momentarily and "jumps". Other than that, this looks relatively smooth, but then I can't see the surface too well from the photo.

Sorry to hear about your day of frustration. Need a case of boat building beer for days like those.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:57 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:47 am Two points on the formica spreader idea. (not a bad idea) depending on the formica thickness, you may want to back it with something thick but flexible. (I'm imagining .5mm formica, like you see on a countertop or so, correct me if I'm wrong here) The other thing is that the formica has a very stiff rigid edge, which you would want to round over a bit, otherwise it will give you those little hard edge lines where the spreader hangs up on any of the surface it catches momentarily and "jumps". Other than that, this looks relatively smooth, but then I can't see the surface too well from the photo.

Sorry to hear about your day of frustration. Need a case of boat building beer for days like those.
Hey Jamie,

Thanks for the input and you are spot on the formica. I think leaving a 3/8" to 1/2' overhang would have netted better results as well.
I did notice the I had a very light streaking effect and rounding the edge would have most likely corrected this.

Today has been much smoother and the cuss factor has been 0% :) :) :)
I sanded what looked terrible to me yesterday and found it was not all that bad. Chaulk it up to my mindset yesterday.
I sanded out the previous fill and took a few photos. I still had some definite lows, some very light lows and pinholes.

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This is midway on the boat. You can see the blue guide coat peeking through.
Thank You Tom! I like this technique.

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This is where I used the last bit yesterday at the bow.
I basically just knock the highs off as there is plenty of fill left to do.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:26 pm
by Eric1
Trying to figure the best way to apply very light coat(s) of Q.F.. I decided to go back and use these.

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I mixed a 30 gram batch (21:9) of quick fair and applied it to the lows.
By using the drywall tools I could fill in the shallowest low spots and pinholes.
I think this is the way to go. Smaller batches and using these to only fill the lows.

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Midway where Blue guide was peeking through.

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Used the rest here.

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I think I'm on track with this stuff now. I have to see the results and modify my approach until I'm happy.
Being my first build there has been a lot of trial, error and correction. It does start to make sense after a bit of that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:23 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric, looks like a good method!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:23 am
by bateau-webmaster
8) Glad you are getting the hang of it! Just remember that the texture can throw off your eye, and after you have worked yourself till you're blue in the face applying and sanding the quickfair as smooth as you can get it, it will still look like it isn't quite fair in spots, and that's when you want to prime, so that you can see everything in a uniform color, the minor details really pop out at you then, and become easier to touch up with the quickfair.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:09 am
by Eric1
Hey Jamie,
Thanks for the tips! Here is what I discussed on the phone with you.
The goal here is to maximize use of Quick Fair and reduce sanding.
First I measure the distance between the strakes. It was 10.375". Next I cut a piece of 1/16" g10 fiberglass to 3.375 x 10.25".
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Next I inverted a sanding block with #220 grit paper and flat sanded the working edge.
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After I got a nice flat surface, I beveled the edge at 20 degree or so. I had my friend Marc hole this for the picture. Just overhand the edge around 1/2" hold it down with one have and sand with the other.
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I mixed a 60 gram batch of Quick Fair and went to work. First I would spread a line out about a foot or so with a plastic spatula. This kinda lays a base for the g10 spatula. Once the surface is filled with the base coat, the g10 is used to evenly spread the compound into the lows.
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To the naked eye this first looks as fair as the second coat did on the last surface. I may have a winner here. We'll see after sanding this out. It is my hope to go directly to the metal spatula technique after sanding this application. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:05 pm
by cape_fisherman
I'm trying to catch up my reading here, but I can't find if you said why you added the strakes before fairing the bottom. Was there a reason for that?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:14 pm
by Eric1
Finished first coat on surface between the strakes. Had a tiny bit left over so I used it on the third surface.

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I sprayed a guide coat on opposite side panels. I decided to fair these again. This time with Quick Fair.
The boat doesn't have to be perfect but I have to like what I see.

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I'm tired, I'm going home.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:19 pm
by Eric1
cape_fisherman wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:05 pm I'm trying to catch up my reading here, but I can't find if you said why you added the strakes before fairing the bottom. Was there a reason for that?
Yes, I did it because I used foam for the strakes. That had to be covered in fiberglass. It is my understand that you should never glass over fairing compound. I would not do it again.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:34 pm
by cape_fisherman
Gotcha. And thanks for the answer!

If I may make a suggestion...next time fair the entire bottom. The solid surface will be easier to work with. Then you mark your lines for the chines, and grind that area back down to the glass. Install the chines & glass. You still have to fair along the chine/new glass area, but those are pretty straight lines...and the surrounding bottom is already fair.

You're right in that you don't want to glass on top of the fairing compound...but that's why you grind back down to glass in those areas afterward.

Best of luck. Your sweat will pay off in the end!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:38 pm
by Eric1
I promise you I won't make the same mistake twice!! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:03 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I saw you asking about casters on a different thread. for what it is worth with a boat as big as yours I say go big on the casters. After the build you will always come up with another use for them. By big I am talking 8 inch. No less than 6 inch or you will be sorry.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:16 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:03 pm Eric I saw you asking about casters on a different thread. for what it is worth with a boat as big as yours I say go big on the casters. After the build you will always come up with another use for them. By big I am talking 8 inch. No less than 6 inch or you will be sorry.
Thanks for the tip Fuzz. I was thinking 4-6 max.
I'm moving this on a concrete shop floor, much smoother and more level than a driveway.

Here is end of the week. From keel to first strake 98% ready for primer. From strake to strake 80% ready in one pass!!
My triceps are tired as all get out so I'm gonna rest up this weekend. Read as "NO SANDING" :lol:

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I also sanded the bow section after I sprayed the guide coat yesterday. The paint would sand off as powder but it's loading the sandpaper.
I think I'll pick up a fresh can tomorrow, the can I have is around 2 years old. Plus it takes overnight to cure.

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Close up to show how guide coat makes lows jump out at you.

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Y'all have a good weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:21 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks really good!! You and the girls have a nice weekend as well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:14 pm
by Fuzz
Eric this is the flat I built to build my dory on.Image
Those are 8 inch casters rated for 1600lbs each. Might be a little over kill for the dory but even with my tank sitting on it I can still roll it around by myself without too much effort. I bet there will be times you want to be able to roll yours outside for washing or something and will be real happy if it is easy to roll.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:18 am
by Eric1
Fuzz, You got me convinced. I'll head to Northern today and check them out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:24 pm
by Eric1
Sanded section 2 with #80 grit. Then I filled section 3 and the bow with 180 grams of quick fair. Waited overnight then sanded with #80 grit. I sprayed guide coat Wednesday with fresh can of blue enamel. Same results have to wait a couple of days or the paint loads my sandpaper. :x

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I went to work block sanding the opposite side around 10:30. The guide coat clearly shows all the lows. I just wish it cured quicker, I don't like waiting on it. This picture is after sanding and washing the side.

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I'm going back to the floor to put Quick Fair on this side. Lots more sanding to come. :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:36 pm
by Jeff
Yes, more sanding to come but look how much you have already done!! Looks nice!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:22 pm
by pee wee
If it's the paint that's too slow to dry, use something else. I've heard of ink being used (not sure what ink or how), graphite powder, they sell lacquer in spray cans and that's quite fast drying . . . there's bound to be a better way than what you're doing.

It does look like the boat's coming along, looks very good so far.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:56 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:36 pm Yes, more sanding to come but look how much you have already done!! Looks nice!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff!
pee wee wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:22 pm If it's the paint that's too slow to dry, use something else. I've heard of ink being used (not sure what ink or how), graphite powder, they sell lacquer in spray cans and that's quite fast drying . . . there's bound to be a better way than what you're doing.

It does look like the boat's coming along, looks very good so far.
Thank You too Hank.
I will try something else, this ain't getting it.

So I planned to work until 3 today. I got another 60 grams of Q.F. applied. I'll come in in the morning to do some more.
I skipped lunch and now I need to eat, getting light headed.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:07 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz, I almost forgot. I decided to go with 8 castors under the strong back. I just think it's too long for only 4 wheels. I went with 4" diameter wheels, load rate is 300 pounds each. I went to the transom and tried lifting the boat up dead lift style. I'm still fairly strong for an Old Fart, I was able to pick the boat up off the strong back with a little effort. So I'm thinking 2400 pounds of support will be enough.
Here are the castor boards:

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These are the brackets I made to mount the castors. 1/8" x 1 3/4 angle iron. Securing with 5/16 lag bolts.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:13 pm
by pee wee
Here's the standard guide coat product for auto body finishing: http://3mcollision.com/3m-dry-guide-coa ... 05861.html

I believe it's a powder, they mention "no dry time". It's just one option, but a good one.

Here's a link to an auto body forum where a member describes using it: https://www.autobody101.com/forums/view ... =5&t=17445

I think you can improvise with other products, but it helps to know what is available.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:30 pm
by Eric1
Hank, Big Thank You!! I'm gonna get some on order!! What a blessing!!!!! 8)

I'll have it monday! Thanks again for the research!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:36 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I am sure you went with a good choice. Your strongback/skid has to be really stiff to get away with only four castors. My shop floor is all tapered to flow water to a drain so the more casters the harder it is to keep it level and not have any twist in it.
Boat is coming along nicely. Even if it does not feel like it the fairing will end at some point :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:41 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:36 pm Eric I am sure you went with a good choice. Your strongback/skid has to be really stiff to get away with only four castors. My shop floor is all tapered to flow water to a drain so the more casters the harder it is to keep it level and not have any twist in it.
Boat is coming along nicely. Even if it does not feel like it the fairing will end at some point :lol:
Thank You Fuzz. Our floor has to be pretty flat because of the CNC machines. I look forward to the fairing coming to an end. It's tedious, tiring work. Sometimes feels like I'll never get this boat built. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:50 pm
by TomW1
Yea your using the wrong kind of paint. Krylon fast dry is ready in 15-20 minutes, it is lacquer based. You can't use just anything. What you are ordering is the top of the line of the guide coat materials, not sure it is worth the extra cost but it will sure do the job.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:53 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:50 pm Yea your using the wrong kind of paint. Krylon fast dry is ready in 15-20 minutes, it is lacquer based. You can't use just anything. What you are ordering is the top of the line of the guide coat materials, not sure it is worth the extra cost but it will sure do the job.
Tom, I'll post a photo of what I bought tomorrow. I thought I had bought the right stuff. The can said "dry in 15 minutes" and it is dry to the touch that quick but it is overnight to sand. :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:56 pm
by Fuzz
For me when building a boat it goes like this. At first it seems fast because you can see progress at the end of each day. When you get to the fairing part it just drags because it is hard to see the progress. After the flip things will speed up a bunch. And then for me the final fitting out drags. But as Cracker Larry says one bite at a time and it will all be gone.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:06 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:56 pm For me when building a boat it goes like this. At first it seems fast because you can see progress at the end of each day. When you get to the fairing part it just drags because it is hard to see the progress. After the flip things will speed up a bunch. And then for me the final fitting out drags. But as Cracker Larry says one bite at a time and it will all be gone.
That makes sense. Just hard to see progress while fairing. Rigging? Don't even start with that. I'm thinking of where and how to put everything every night when I get home! So much to consider. Outboard bracket, Gas Tanks, Electronics. Hatches, chase tubes, deck layout... need I go on?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:16 pm
by dbcrx
I prefer the dry guide coat too. It's quick and easy to apply, gives a much fully even coat than a spray can and can be sanded straight away. Here's a link which discusses guide coats with some pick of me using graphite as a cheaper alternative - http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... 10#p343128
I haven't used the 3m stuff, but have used another brand name one. It is more expensive, but is darker than the graphite. And a little goes a long way, so I wouldn't worry too much about the cost of a tub.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:31 pm
by Eric1
dbcrx wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:16 pm I prefer the dry guide coat too. It's quick and easy to apply, gives a much fully even coat than a spray can and can be sanded straight away. Here's a link which discusses guide coats with some pick of me using graphite as a cheaper alternative - http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... 10#p343128
I haven't used the 3m stuff, but have used another brand name one. It is more expensive, but is darker than the graphite. And a little goes a long way, so I wouldn't worry too much about the cost of a tub.
Thanks Dave, That looks like the trick. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:33 am
by bateau-webmaster
I always thought graphite as a guide coat was a great idea, especially since if you drag it around it spreads further. That and it increases strength within the epoxy instead of being weaker like paint (not that you use much, but still)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:39 am
by cape_fisherman
GUIDE COAT

Next time you do a guide coat take some denatured alcohol and add food coloring to it. Don a pair of gloves, soak a cloth, and wipe the boat down. It's alcohol and will evaporate/dry in no time.

Go ahead and test this now on a small spot on the boat. You'll see how easy it is.

Best of luck to you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:50 am
by cape_fisherman
The quote below was made by a friend of mine on another fishing forum. In full disclosure, his name is Bill Schwab, and he is an owner at Lightning Yachts located at the Jarrett Bay Marine Industrial Park in Beaufort, North Carolina. Bill is...as we say...THE MAN.

"...food coloring and denatured alcohol wiped on with a rag, cleans and fills pinholes so you can spot them easily, just have to blow off the surface during sanding so any dust filling the holes doesn't hide them."

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:17 am
by jacquesmm
Graphite is what I use. It is also what professional plug builders use and it is used by many auto body shops.

You may wonder why some of my tutorials show spray paint? Simple, we were out of graphite those days and spray paint is a good substitute.

Another good guide coat is alcohol or water with ink. There is a special ink used by pattern makers: Dykem.
Food color sounds like a good idea too but try graphite, it is very fine, show every scratch, no liquid and it is 100% compatible with epoxy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:57 am
by Eric1
Thank You Everyone for the help!

Tom here is the paint I bought. The "dries in 15 minutes" is what got my attention. It can't be the right stuff.

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Here is why I say that. This is after 2 days of cure time. One minute of sanding and my paper looks like this. :x
I'll wait on the 3M stuff to come monday. I'd never use this paint again for this purpose.

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So I finished the Quick Fair application from Chine to Trim line. I changed the way I was putting it on. I found it easier to apply it to the surface just under the spray rail first. Then I applied it above the trim line. The bow took a good bit more to fill. There are multiple overlaps of biax just under the spray rail area. I'm pretty happy with where I am.

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Time to take the girls out for lunch!!
A Happy Weekend to you all!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:26 pm
by Fuzz
Boat is looking very nice there Eric. Even with the guide coat headaches you are getting there.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:45 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Buddy! heal up and get back to that rebuild! Honey,Lemon and Bourbon.
Honey for antibiotics, Lemon for vitamin C, Bourbon just because Bourbon. You'll feel better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:37 pm
by csotelo
Hey,

It´s looking very good!

I used the spray paint after I saw you doing!

It helped a lot, but the fairing drank some paint and the points where the fairing board just touch it stayed colored.

Regards,

Carlos Sotelo

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:35 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:37 pm Hey,

It´s looking very good!

I used the spray paint after I saw you doing!

It helped a lot, but the fairing drank some paint and the points where the fairing board just touch it stayed colored.

Regards,

Carlos Sotelo
I'm happy it is working for you. Thank for the compliment too!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:55 pm
by Eric1
I was able to get a few hours in after lunch today. I hope I'm not boring y'all with sanding pictures but that's all I'm doing now. Fill,sand,repeat. Anyway I got the first eight feet on the side sanded with 80 grit paper. I'm glad I decided to fill and fair this again. Between the Quick Fair and the blue paint I can clearly see the lows.

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Close up:

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I also sanded the entire bottom half down with 120 grit. I still have work to do here also.

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Bow lows reflecting light.

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The guide coat powder came in today but I did not get to use it yet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:05 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
It's looking pretty good to me. How big is you CMM :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:09 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:05 pm It's looking pretty good to me. How big is you CMM :lol:
We own two. Small Brown & Sharp MicroVal and a much larger one in it's own lab.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:38 am
by Eric1
I thought I posted this yesterday but I guess I forgot to submit it.
I spent all of yesterday sanding, First caught up this side panel with 80 grit, then sanded the whole panel with 120 grit.
I was wore out.

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Then my brother wanted to show me the way he would fill so I cut him loose!
He seems to think I'm putting it on a bit thin, I don't know. This was another 30 grams.

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First thing today I sanded the second fill out. It looks pretty good. I'm going to spend time with a bright light and do fill work today.

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I'm going to start with this corner transition, Tired of looking at it. I built a dam from G10 and peel ply and got it in place.
I plan to round this but I think this is the easiest way to fill it.

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Dam from back side

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am
by Jeff
Great progress Eric!!! And yes, that is a whole bunch of sanding!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:22 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the support Jeff! You know I like posting here. The support from the forum is amazing! 8) :D 8)

Ok, I just finished the second fill of Quick Fair. I tried to only apply it to the low spots.
The big picture after another 150 grams.

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Detail of corner fill at transom.

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That's most likely all for today. Oldest daughter is meeting me for lunch then I have to help her get her submission ready for Teen Talent.
She entered photography and it has to be turned in tonight. It has to be printed and in a frame so we have to go get that done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:20 pm
by Fuzz
You are gaining on it even if it does not feel like it at times. Just keep telling yourself this to will end :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:49 pm
by TomW1
Looking good Eric. While fairing is a PITA what you get out of it is what you put in to it. The more the better. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:20 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:20 pm You are gaining on it even if it does not feel like it at times. Just keep telling yourself this to will end :D
Ok Fuzz I will, but you're responsible. All my Doctor tell me to ignore the voices in my head! :lol:
TomW1 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:49 pm

Looking good Eric. While fairing is a PITA what you get out of it is what you put in to it. The more the better. :D
Thank You too Tom. It is, just so much I can get done in a day. Hey on a Very positive note, After sanding all day yesterday I did not have any rotator cuff pain. Maybe the worst of that is behind me. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:22 pm
by Eric1
Eric1 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:20 pm
Fuzz wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:20 pm You are gaining on it even if it does not feel like it at times. Just keep telling yourself this to will end :D
Ok Fuzz I will, but you're responsible. All my Doctors tell me to ignore the voices in my head! :lol:
TomW1 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:49 pm

Looking good Eric. While fairing is a PITA what you get out of it is what you put in to it. The more the better. :D
Thank You too Tom. It is, just so much I can get done in a day. Hey on a Very positive note, After sanding all day yesterday I did not have any rotator cuff pain. Maybe the worst of that is behind me. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:49 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Everyone.

I removed the dam at the transom corner. Here are the results.
I still have some fill to do but not much.

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Built a bit proud on transom side.

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After second pass of Quick Fair I'm still seeing tiny lows that wont fill well. I think if this is the worst I have I'll move forward to primer.

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I'm kinda excited to see what I'll have towards the bow! I think it's looking good. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:03 am
by Jeff
Eric, that looks really good!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:32 pm
by Eric1
Guess what I did today? Sanded the whole side again with 120 grit. I found I still needed to build the transom corner a bit more proud. Also more need at bow and I had a low spot and a tiny hole. I'm pretty sure after this fill this panel will be ready for primer. Hoping to move on.
Another 30 grams mixed and used as shown.

This is on kinda thick, tired of coming up lacking.
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Small low I somehow missed.

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Tiny hole I found.

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After block sanding all week, I think when I finish fairing this boat I'll be able to rip pineapples and coconuts in half.
Pina Coladas all around!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:03 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Looking good better now than when you start priming that will really send you off :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:28 pm
by Huntsabunch
I don't know if it helps but I did almost all of my fairing with drywall tools, using drywall techniques. I squared all of my corners without dams or forms and then sanded a radius on them so they weren't too sharp and fragile. "Feathering" the knife was the key that made it all work. Your boat is a lot bigger and more complicated than mine, especially with the strakes, but if you know a drywall guy I bet he could show you some stuff that would help you out. I also found that, once you get it close to flat and can use 100 grit on your long board, you will be able to see the low spots without a guide. You can then use a drywall knife wider than the low spot to fill it in.

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I think this is your first build and I KNOW it's mine so whoever screws something up first has to give a heads up to the other one. deal?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:42 am
by Eric1
That's a deal!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:04 am
by Huntsabunch
Eric,
When you do finally get ready to prime you might want to check out the "Sealing micro balloons" thread in this index. Some very good info from Seaslug regarding the Awlgrip 545 primer. He says it dries fast and builds quickly which is exactly what you need to eliminate the final few imperfections in your fairing job. It also serves to seal the fairing. I used plain resin to seal mine which is a lot harder to sand than the primer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:55 am
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:04 am Eric,
When you do finally get ready to prime you might want to check out the "Sealing micro balloons" thread in this index. Some very good info from Seaslug regarding the Awlgrip 545 primer. He says it dries fast and builds quickly which is exactly what you need to eliminate the final few imperfections in your fairing job. It also serves to seal the fairing. I used plain resin to seal mine which is a lot harder to sand than the primer.
I've been reading that thread. There is some good info there. Thank You Again!

Did a little more fill this morning.
This will be where I stop for the weekend. Teen Talent with my girls for church tonight and tomorrow morning. Then going to my Uncle's funeral Saturday afternoon.

This was a 30 gram batch to fill top of strake and some small lows;

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Then I mixed a 60 gram batch for the second fill at the bow.

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Playing with this idea for paint, except bottom will be black.
I'm Crazy enough to do it too.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:25 am
by Jeff
Good looking shark teeth!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:19 pm
by Huntsabunch
Sorry to hear about the funeral. I've been attending an unusually high number of them lately. by the time I get to mine, I'll be an expert. :)
I've been struggling with which paint scheme to go with also. I want to go darker colors on the hull but everything I read advises against it. Plus I know darker colors really show up imperfections. I may go ahead and flip it after priming and try to finish coat it on blocks later. Gives me a little more time to ponder it. :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:29 am
by TomW1
Eric sorry to hear of your Uncle's passing. God Bless to you and your family.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:33 am
by Eric1
Thanks Tom.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:49 am
by Jeff
Eric, really sorry for your loss!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:38 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff. It was a long day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:39 pm
by Jeff
Eric, always tough on the family!! Hope the best for you all!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:27 pm
by Eric1
Started work at 1:30. Busy morning in shop. I got more fill work done today. Third fill at bow.
Used 150 grams of Quick Fair today.

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Second fill on these surfaces.
Trying to spot fill the lows and not waste the Quick Fair.

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Put it down heavier here at transom.

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We have a hot streak of weather this week here. It's 77 degrees right now. That's warm for this time of year.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:56 pm
by pee wee
That's going to be a pretty looking hull, good thing you are taking pictures. Such a shame to turn it upside down and hide it in the water! :lol: Seriously, it's looking shapely.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:36 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:56 pm That's going to be a pretty looking hull, good thing you are taking pictures. Such a shame to turn it upside down and hide it in the water! :lol: Seriously, it's looking shapely.
Thank You Hank. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:15 pm
by TomW1
Eric have you checked the bottom of the hull for flatness on the last 6-8' of the planning area. I'm a little late in bringing this up but it is important. Just take a six or eight foot straight edge and run it from the transom forward along the keel line. There should be no big dips or humps along the straight edge lines.

Keep on going your doing great.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:38 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:15 pm Eric have you checked the bottom of the hull for flatness on the last 6-8' of the planning area. I'm a little late in bringing this up but it is important. Just take a six or eight foot straight edge and run it from the transom forward along the keel line. There should be no big dips or humps along the straight edge lines.

Keep on going your doing great.

Tom
Honestly no I have not. I'll take a look in the morning though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:47 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

Great job on the fairing. I hope to be at that stage in another month. A little bit of Quick Fair goes a long way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:31 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I saw on another thread you were asking about the notched trowel deal. If it were me I would skip that idea. I tried it twice and ended up sanding the whole mess off. But others might have better luck than me. If you do it I would try it in a small area first JMHO

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:16 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:31 pm Eric I saw on another thread you were asking about the notched trowel deal. If it were me I would skip that idea. I tried it twice and ended up sanding the whole mess off. But others might have better luck than me. If you do it I would try it in a small area first JMHO
Yea Fuzz. I'm way past that plan. I might try it on my next build but I doubt it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:26 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:15 pm Eric have you checked the bottom of the hull for flatness on the last 6-8' of the planning area. I'm a little late in bringing this up but it is important. Just take a six or eight foot straight edge and run it from the transom forward along the keel line. There should be no big dips or humps along the straight edge lines.

Keep on going your doing great.

Tom
Well SH*!!!! :x :x :x :x :x

I ran a straight edge out to around 9'. The small blue marks are at 2".
There are some small gaps 1/16" or so but the first 2' from the transom is showing a gap of around 3/16".
Let me guess, I have to grind the fairing away and build this surface up with glass. I suppose my big butt pushed down on the plywood when I was stitching and laying glass IDK.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:44 am
by Huntsabunch
I don't mean to butt in here but I am interested to know what kind of problem would be created by a dip like the one on Eric's boat. I assume it would be a performance problem but I can't imagine what it would be. I know guys who build strip boats locally who intentionally put a concave in the bottom of their boats (flat bottom). They claim it creates a suction effect that keeps the boat in contact with the water better. What amount out of level would be considered tollerable on a planing hull?
Ken

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:27 am
by jacquesmm
That is due to the thickness of the extra layers of overlap from the transom.
In some boats, including the C21, I add a little bit of a rocker to the plywood, about 1/8" to absorb that but it is almost impossible to see when setting up the plywood.
Ideally, that dip, just in front of the transom tabbing, should be filled with fairing compound at the very beginning of the fairing process.
I disregard a dip of 1/8 or less but you can fill it if you want.
The effect of it on performance is so small that you can ignore it. Imagine that it is like a trim tab down by about 1/8": it does not matter.

You can fill it or you can leave it. It is easy to fill at this stage and I think you will feel better if it is straight but it is not important.

BTW, what Huntsabunch say is correct. Some people build a small "shingle" in there deliberately. It can be seen on some old designs that were under powered, it helps them get on plane faster.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:24 am
by Eric1
Praise God!!! I really didn't want to have to grind fairing compound away and fill this! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:06 pm
by TomW1
Eric like I said I was a little late in bringing the subject up and as Jacques pointed out it should be done early in the fairing process. Glad he said not to worry about it as it is a small amount.

Take care the boat's looking good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:43 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:06 pm Eric like I said I was a little late in bringing the subject up and as Jacques pointed out it should be done early in the fairing process. Glad he said not to worry about it as it is a small amount.

Take care the boat's looking good.
I got to tell ya Tom. I got pretty wound up over that 3/16" gap. To a machinist that is a mile! I've been thinking that way over thirty years now. It's hard to adjust to a 1/16 of an inch. It's all good though, Atavan has kicked in. :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:47 pm
by Jeff
Glad it worked out for you!!!!! No grinding!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:27 pm
by Browndog
Eric,
It is unlikely caused by you at all. I'm seeing on my build that the panels can dip in between the mold frames due to the weight of the unsupported panel. I've tried to minimize it, but when you flip the boat, my guess is that the dip disappears.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:32 pm
by Eric1
It's been a hectic day. I only managed to get this little bit done.
I started putting Quick Fair on the lower panel. I've used 120 grams but it's not covered yet.
I'm try to go very thin as most of the lows are only as tall as the blue guide coat I had applied.

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From the bow.

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I'm ready for a strong drink tonight.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:36 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:27 pm Eric,
It is unlikely caused by you at all. I'm seeing on my build that the panels can dip in between the mold frames due to the weight of the unsupported panel. I've tried to minimize it, but when you flip the boat, my guess is that the dip disappears.
Hey Browndog,

Go up on the page where Jacques responded. As I have multiple overlaps from the extra layer I added that made it higher than normal. I'm gonna leave it be. I have never been offshore where I didn't have to run trim tabs down anyway.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:45 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

You and me both. Use the trim tabs all the time. It is comforting from Jacques response that it is not a big deal. Thankfully there seems to be some wiggle room in boat building, compared to other forms of construction. Guess that is why I like it so much, don't have to be a brain surgeon. The boat is looking really nice. Can't wait to see her flipped.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:10 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:45 pm Eric,

You and me both. Use the trim tabs all the time. It is comforting from Jacques response that it is not a big deal. Thankfully there seems to be some wiggle room in boat building, compared to other forms of construction. Guess that is why I like it so much, don't have to be a brain surgeon. The boat is looking really nice. Can't wait to see her flipped.
Yes Sir Bro! Me too!! I was crapping bricks this morning. Thank You Too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:48 am
by Eric1
I sanded the transom section, panel seam and bow only as I knew these areas would need more filler.
I'm either getting better at this or I was just lucky.
I only needed 45 more grams of Quick Fair to fill the lows and part of that I used to touch up a couple of places on the upper panel.

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I'll start sanding the bottom after lunch.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:23 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:26 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:23 pm Nice Eric!!! Jeff
Thank you Jeff. :)

Spent the afternoon sanding the bottom.
I got decent results, still some spots to fill but not much.
I made it about 16' from transom then I called it a day.

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Marking lows with pencil. It helps me remember them.

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Going home to grab a shower before Bible study tonight. Y'all have a good evening and I'll see you tomorrow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:07 am
by Eric1
I finished sanding the bow from the second pass of quick fair.
As before I circled the obvious lows with a carpenters pencil. I stumbled on a quick and easy way to "guide coat" the curve.
After sanding with a 16" block with 80 grit, I circled some of the lows with the pencil. Then realized I had not sanded with the 24" 120 grit block.
So I proceeded to sand over the whole surface. That revealed I was sanding away some of the pencil marks. I'm having a little bit of a time trying to see whats fair due to the different colors that blend from sanding quick fair against micro balloons. So I used the pencil to draw kind of an "S" shaped pattern over the bow and sanded again. That revealed a good bit of what I thought was low was already fair. Yes, I was chasing ghosts! Blame my eyes they are as old as the rest of me. LOL It also revealed some lows I thought were already fair.

This picture shows a circled low (sore thumb) and a low that I would have missed. Note the two near vertical lines.

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This after sanding the whole bow area

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From the front

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The keel line looks like hammered dog poop but I'm going to address that after I get both bottom panels faired.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:17 pm
by Fuzz
Eric it sure sounds to me like you are at the point of needing to roll a thin coat of primer on, imho. That is the only way I can see how close I am. Boat is looking really nice.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:05 pm
by dbcrx
There comes a point when fairing that you need to stop and put some primer on. I agree with fuzz that you seem to be at that point.

When you get down to small spot filling you can end up chasing round the boat again and again trying to fill low spots that may only be there as a result of the last round of sanding. Each batch of filler you do will sand slightly different, especially when you start mixing different materials into the game. You are now sanding fibreglass, microbaloons and quick fair. Even using a sanding block each surface will sand slightly different possibly causing new low spots.

Now would be the time to prime so you have a fresh even coat to see/work with. Apply the primer and then a guide coat. Sand untill the guide coat is gone or you start hitting filler/glass. That will show where you're really at.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:08 pm
by Eric1
dbcrx wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:05 pm There comes a point when fairing that you need to stop and put some primer on. I agree with fuzz that you seem to be at that point.

When you get down to small spot filling you can end up chasing round the boat again and again trying to fill low spots that may only be there as a result of the last round of sanding. Each batch of filler you do will sand slightly different, especially when you start mixing different materials into the game. You are now sanding fibreglass, microbaloons and quick fair. Even using a sanding block each surface will sand slightly different possibly causing new low spots.

Now would be the time to prime so you have a fresh even coat to see/work with. Apply the primer and then a guide coat. Sand untill the guide coat is gone or you start hitting filler/glass. That will show where you're really at.
Thanks Dave and Fuzz. I think y'all are right. I am going to spot the obvious lows and stop.
I will then fill and sand the strakes then move on to primer. I wanted to keep going today but I had to stop around 3.
I was sanding away and ran out of energy. There was nothing in my arms left, I am just flat out tired.
Thanks again for the help, it means a lot to me. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:38 pm
by peter-curacao
LOL told you that what? 1 or 2 weeks ago? 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:46 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:38 pm LOL told you that what? 1 or 2 weeks ago? 8) 8)
I know. I have a hard head sometimes. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:15 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Agree, you've hit that point. It also makes the rest of the small fairing bits go a lot quicker, and the guide coat stand out better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:53 pm
by Huntsabunch
Looking good Eric. That's a lot of boat to sand. I agree a carpenter pencil is a good way to mark the little spots I'd notice. I also found I could watch the scratch pattern while I sanded. If I thought a place was low, I changed directions with the long board. If a new set of scratches didn't show up in the direction I was sanding I either kept sanding or used the pencil to mark it for filling. It's surprising how shallow of a dip you could detect. Also could tell it was low if the board didn't push all of the dust out of the way as I sanded. I'm going to have to get busy or you're going to pass me. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:37 pm
by Eric1
Sanded previous fill and was still low at bow and the first long panel seam.
Another 60 grams of QF.

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Filled under side of spray rail also, 60 more grams.

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Used another 60 grams to fill these strakes.

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Last was spot filling with the mixes from above.

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I've tried to be as frugal as I can with the Quick Fair, so far this is half of what came with the kit.
I think I've stretched it pretty good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:27 pm
by Jeff
Yes Eric, you have done extremely well with the QuickFair and amount used!!! Have a good evening!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:40 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Jeff, I wasn't sure.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:00 pm
by Fuzz
If it means anything you have used about 10% of what I would have used by now :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:55 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:00 pm If it means anything you have used about 10% of what I would have used by now :D
It does, I didn't have much go compare with. It seems everybody posts a fairing picture one day and the next day is primer. This is time consuming.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:01 am
by Fuzz
No matter who you are fairing takes more time than anything else. And there are many different ways to get it done. Some guys want it perfect, some are good with work boat. Some guys try to use as little as possible fairing compound others lay it on like cake icing. I have never been able to sand the same day so I tend to put too much on so I do not need to come back to the same place three or four days in a row. I am not sure there is an absolute best way to do it. The way that makes you happy is the best way for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:21 am
by TomW1
Eric your doing a great job. Don't be afraid to do a guide coat as you get close to the final coat. I will even do one on the first coat of primer since Quick Fair will adhere to the Silver Tip High Build Epoxy Primer. It is just a matter of how perfect you want you want the sides to be. The bottom should be fine by now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:51 am
by Huntsabunch
I couldn't even tell you how much fairing compound I've used. I know I bought the 2 quart kit of Total Fair, the three pint kit of Quick Fair, a bag of the purple stuff form BB2, and a little bit of West system 410. All of which ended up on the boat. I know my garbage man hates me because every time he dumps the can he gets covered by a cloud of sanding dust. I'm sure we would all be more efficient the second time around but at this point it's a learning process (for us first timers) and I would rather brag about the final results than how little fairing compound I used. Although being able to brag about both would be the real deal. From here it looks like you are doing a great job. Stick with it. Prime time is right around the corner.
Great job with you postings too. Lots of info, lots of pics. And I notice you always clean everything up before taking a pic, making me look like the slob I am. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:07 am
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:51 am I couldn't even tell you how much fairing compound I've used. I know I bought the 2 quart kit of Total Fair, the three pint kit of Quick Fair, a bag of the purple stuff form BB2, and a little bit of West system 410. All of which ended up on the boat. I know my garbage man hates me because every time he dumps the can he gets covered by a cloud of sanding dust. I'm sure we would all be more efficient the second time around but at this point it's a learning process (for us first timers) and I would rather brag about the final results than how little fairing compound I used. Although being able to brag about both would be the real deal. From here it looks like you are doing a great job. Stick with it. Prime time is right around the corner.
Great job with you postings too. Lots of info, lots of pics. And I notice you always clean everything up before taking a pic, making me look like the slob I am. :lol:
Thank You, But I promise I don't clean up every time. :lol: I do run a shop vac with a dry wall bag in it as I sand though. It helps, I create a crap ton of dust!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:30 am
by MrPaul
I used to let it pile up on the shop floor....until the wife got mad after I tracked it into the house.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:39 am
by Browndog
The dust is a real problem. After vacuuming the big piles I open the garage door and blow out as much as I can with a leaf blower. But there is a fine layer of dust pretty much over everything in the garage due to the two kayaks, the canoe and now the FS 19.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:56 am
by Huntsabunch
I have a fine layer of dust that covers the fine layer of dust from the previous project, which covers .... well, you get the picture. My little workshop area is another story. The "dust" from a Bridgeport creates a whole different set of challenges. Especially when mixed with coolant or cutting fluid. Let it be known throughout the land that I am the King of the mess makers! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:22 am
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:56 am The "dust" from a Bridgeport creates a whole different set of challenges. Especially when mixed with coolant or cutting fluid. Let it be known throughout the land that I am the King of the mess makers! :D
Very true! I'm concerned when it's time to prime/paint about the residual oil in the air of my machine shop. I didn't want to build a spray booth just to roll paint but I may have to. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:30 am I used to let it pile up on the shop floor....until the wife got mad after I tracked it into the house.
You know the rules. If Momma ain't Happy, No ones Happy! :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:06 pm
by Eric1
Limited progress today. Started out taking Youngest daughter Judy to DMV for her third attempt at passing her Permit test.
She's really studied hard for this.
Third time is a charm!!

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Very Proud of her. She was so happy she was shaking! :)
Then went to pick up other daughter. We're expecting Very severe weather today. With both them being on spring break I didn't want her home alone.
Weatherman was saying large hail and good conditions for tornadoes so I brought them to work with me. So far so good just thunderstorms.

I started sanding some of yesterdays fill. started on underside of spray rail. This is at transom, looks pretty nice.

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Then moved forward to bow. I found the last four feet is sanding like it did not finish curing. I'm giving it until tomorrow to cure but I have doubts. Quick Fair has not given me any issues so far, I mixed two tiny (15 gram batches yesterday) this was the last one I mixed. I may have botched the mix? :doh: From the paper forward is sanding like hard rubber. I had two batches of micro balloon mix act this way, but they cured out after a couple of days.

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Finally I put down a test batch with left over quick fair from filling the last strake. I used a piece of PVC pipe to pull a fillet. It think it will do just fine.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:11 pm
by Huntsabunch
Eric, have you decided what kind of primer you are going to use?
Ken

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:13 pm
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:11 pm Eric, have you decided what kind of primer you are going to use?
Ken
Yea, I have 2 gallons of System Three that Boat Builder Central sells.
Ken, give me an hour or so. I'm leaving work and I have to pick up some groceries. Didn't want to start a dialogue and you think I was not interested.
Thank Man

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:25 am
by topwater
Looking good :!: I have used both the System Three and the EMC high build primer and like the System Three better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:34 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:25 am Looking good :!: I have used both the System Three and the EMC high build primer and like the System Three better.
Thanks for that. That builds confidence!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:43 am
by Eric1
I checked the Quick Fair I found yesterday. I either screwed the batch up or I may have had some laquer thinner on my hands. It will not set up. :oops:

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Even though this blows like a northeast wind, it has to come off. :oops:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:46 am
by topwater
Mr Murphy rears his ugly head :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:31 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:46 am Mr Murphy rears his ugly head :(
It never fails, Murphy show up with no invite. I kicked him off the boat though.
What was that Kinks song?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://youtu.be/Lqil8_JFCVU

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:52 am
by Huntsabunch
I have a small digital scale (sealed inside a ziplock bag for protection) and mix my quick fair by weight rather than volume. I assume you are doing that since your posts reference the weight of your batches. As long as your calculations are correct your batch will be also. You've got to be pretty good at math because a machinist who is bad math would have a very large scrap pile, and I don't see one of those sitting around your shop. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:01 am
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:52 am I have a small digital scale (sealed inside a ziplock bag for protection) and mix my quick fair by weight rather than volume. I assume you are doing that since your posts reference the weight of your batches. As long as your calculations are correct your batch will be also. You've got to be pretty good at math because a machinist who is bad math would have a very large scrap pile, and I don't see one of those sitting around your shop. :lol:
Yep, doing it the same way. Scrap has to be a minimum in my shop. The cheapest thing I machine in volume is 316 SS (About 2.17 a pound right now). :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:18 am
by Huntsabunch
I try to stick with aluminum, brass, or anything with an "L" in it. Kinda lazy that way. I fish the same way but I'll hunt in any conditions. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:30 pm
by Eric1
Well I hope I got it mixed correctly this time.

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I also filled the spray rail on the other side at chine.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:59 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks good and glad you got it fixed!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:02 pm
by Fuzz
Eric be happy that was only a small set back! You could have been like me and had to scrape the entire side :oops:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:24 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:02 pm Eric be happy that was only a small set back! You could have been like me and had to scrape the entire side :oops:
Oh Lord! Yea my Friend, That could not have been fun.

Last bit of work today. I sanded the lower panel again. It's ready for primer now.
Here is the long board transition.

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The bow is also ready for primer.

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Last I was sanding under the spray rail on this side and I'm getting lows. I think tomorrow I'l recoat with QF using the PVC pipe trick.
I used my thumb to apply it the first time. I though tit was gonna work. Maybe I'm being to picky, It's my nature.
Here is what I'm talking about, you can see a beige color under the PVC pipe that needs to be filled.

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Considering this mornings set back and a 75 mile round trip to pick up plating for the machine shop I think today was productive. Tomorrow will bring more sanding and filling, I'm getting used to it. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:48 am
by Eric1
Well I didn't get much done on the boat yesterday. I went in late around 8:30 and an old friend surprised me with a visit. We talked and caught up until 11 or so. :D My Brother and I had two guys working overtime so we took every one out for lunch. When we got back I placed my weekly tool orders and material orders. Then I wrote 3 mill programs and loaded them in the machine. That took me until 2:30. I decided to sand on the boat at that point, I got the spray rail sanded (the side I had to re-work). then I started on the strakes on the bottom. I got about four feet of that done and my stupid shoulder started hurting. I've learned not to push through this pain, it just makes it worse. Heck it's 5:45 am as I write this and it's still jolting me now and then. No picture this go around. I'm gonna spend the day with my girls, book shopping Barnes & Noble, pick up some sushi supplies and get my car washed.
Y'all have a blessed weekend and have some fun.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:37 am
by Jeff
Eric, have a good weekend with your girls!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:35 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:18 pm
by Eric1
Jacques,

This is a picture of the gap at the transom form all the over lapped glass. This is at the centerline of keel, it's about 3/16 inch.
Should I fill this with biaxial cloth and fair it with Quick Fair?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:09 pm
by fishgitr
I would fill it with biaxial as much as you can then fair it. I noticed on my build that I filled some low spots about 3/16 low with quikfair on my deck and I realized today that I have some spider cracking going on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:06 am
by Fuzz
If you fill the low with biax/epoxy at least you get something out of it. ie a tougher bottom and that is never a bad thing :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:00 am
by Eric1
Eric1 wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:18 pm Jacques,

This is a picture of the gap at the transom from all the over lapped glass. This is at the centerline of keel, it's about 3/16 inch.
Should I fill this with biaxial cloth and fair it with Quick Fair?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:12 am
by Huntsabunch
If the gap along the keel is a result of extra layers of glass at the transom, won't you have the same situation all the way to the chine? If so, won't you have to fill most of the bottom on both sides of the keel to make it perfect? I can't see where 3/16" over a 20' distance would have a dramatic effect on performance but, then again, we already know that I'm lost in the woods when it comes to boat building. :?
If I was going to fill a large area by that amount I think I would fill and level it most of the way with fairing compound then cover it with a light weight woven cloth. That should protect from checking and the fine weave is easier to fair out. Full disclosure: this advice is more "experiment" than "experience". :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:49 am
by Eric1
Huntsabunch wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:12 am If the gap along the keel is a result of extra layers of glass at the transom, won't you have the same situation all the way to the chine? If so, won't you have to fill most of the bottom on both sides of the keel to make it perfect? I can't see where 3/16" over a 20' distance would have a dramatic effect on performance but, then again, we already know that I'm lost in the woods when it comes to boat building. :?
If I was going to fill a large area by that amount I think I would fill and level it most of the way with fairing compound then cover it with a light weight woven cloth. That should protect from checking and the fine weave is easier to fair out. Full disclosure: this advice is more "experiment" than "experience". :)
Yes It has a good bit of layers at chine as well. Picture the transom to bottom intersection. This has the pronounced build up of fiberglass down 4-6" from that edge going down the transom. My concern is that when I mount the outboard bracket it will cause issues. I am thinking I could use a piece of 1/4" thick rubber sheet as a gasket and around each bolt hole cut holes for a 2-2 1/2" aluminum washer to keep the bracket parrelel to the plan of the transom. I'll wait for Jacques to advise here. No hurries, I have plenty to do. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:44 am
by jacquesmm
That happens often there. 3/16 is not too bad but you can fill it.
Use whatever leftover glass you have to get closer and finish with Quickfair

If you leave it as is, you will probably never feel the difference. That little hook will make you loose half a knot, maybe.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:56 am
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:44 am That happens often there. 3/16 is not too bad but you can fill it.
Use whatever leftover glass you have to get closer and finish with Quickfair

If you leave it as is, you will probably never feel the difference. That little hook will make you loose half a knot, maybe.
Half a knot does not deem that much work. I leave it as is.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:21 am
by Eric1
I got a little bit done yesterday afternoon and this morning. I pulled fillets on the strakes and finish the spray rail. Other than that just spot filled some small holes. I finished the stainless plate job yesterday and my wrist is sore from tightening the vise on the machine, so no sanding today. :| I woke up at 0330 this morning with it throbbing, took a couple of advil and ran the hot water out in the shower on it. Went and made coffee, took a couple of swigs and fell asleep in my computer chair. My daughters woke me up getting ready for school.
Any way the goal is to have the first half of the boat ready for primer by Saturday.

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Spray rails:

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Back side

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:09 pm
by Jeff
Very well done Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:28 pm
by Fuzz
Eric your work is always neat and clean. Mine never looks that good, I rely heavily on the sander the clean up my mess. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:05 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:28 pm Eric your work is always neat and clean. Mine never looks that good, I rely heavily on the sander the clean up my mess. :roll:
Jeff wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:09 pm Very well done Eric!! Jeff
Thanks guys. I'm at home with ice on my wrist now. I can't pick up my coffee cup with my right hand.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:22 pm
by Jeff
Eric, be careful and take care of that wrist!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:23 pm
by Jeff
Eric, be careful and take care of that wrist!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:30 pm
by Fuzz
I swear any boat builder over 30 needs to find a young, strong, not too bright, minim wage fellow to do the sanding. That would make boat building much more fun. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:59 pm
by MrPaul
Ain't that the truth. Everything about building my boat has been fun except for the coat of dust on EVERYTHING in my shop. Sanding is for the birds.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:38 pm
by csotelo
Looks good man!

In my opinion fairing is the hardest part. After it, everything looks easy! You are almost there!!

Cheers!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:37 pm
by Eric1
Thank You!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 am
by Fuzz
Eric get all healed up and take care of yourself. This is not a speed contest. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:36 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 am Eric get all healed up and take care of yourself. This is not a speed contest. :wink:
Thanks Bro,
I saw this last night but I was hurting so bad I didn't want to type reply.
I am able to make a half fist today so the swelling is slowly going down.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:42 am
by Eric1
I got back to sanding today. The wrist is still a little sore but manageable. Of course Murphy had to show up. I found an air pocket while sanding one of the lifting strakes. I'll open this up and fill it this afternoon. :x
The last couple of weeks have been frustrating. All the rain we've had has the rivers muddy and flowing fast so trout season has been a no go for the most part. Then the wrist injury brought everything to a stop. For me this is almost unbearable. I can't stand sitting still for long. So I've read, watched TV (Lord help me) and thought way to much about how I want to finish the boat. I will be thankful when the fairing is done and I can move on, don't get me wrong, but I am happy to be doing something again.

Here is the hole.

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I finished sanding the strakes on this side this morning.

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And the Spray rail too.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:09 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Making progress, injuries aside. Just don't hurt yourself more, to get the boat done, else you won't be able to drive it. I admit I'm eager to see that thing in paint, but not if it means surgery.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:12 pm
by Fuzz
What Jamie said :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:55 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:09 pm Making progress, injuries aside. Just don't hurt yourself more, to get the boat done, else you won't be able to drive it. I admit I'm eager to see that thing in paint, but not if it means surgery.
Fuzz wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:12 pm What Jamie said :D
Thank You and you are both correct!
I'm not going at it full speed. I just filled that hole and three spots I wasn't quite happy about. I used the rest on the opposite side at transom. That's it for today. I'm not wanting the wrist to swell up again. What ever i did to cause it I don't want to repeat. It takes a lot to put tears in my eye and that's how most of last week was by 10 pm.

Low spots behind strakes filled.

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Lows under spray rail. I thought this was filled but I didn't like it.

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Leftover of a 30 grams batch. By putting it here I have to stop today. I built in this "safety" because I know my nature. :lol:

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I do have a question. When I was fairing the bottom, I stood on tables. In doing so my shoes have left a "scuff line" on the side panels I'n about to start fairing. Is it alright to use Dawn detergent to wash this off? I'm concerned with oil from my shoes being on the hull.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:11 pm
by Jeff
Eric, if you don't hear back from a more experienced builder than me tonight, I will get Jamie to respond to you tomorrow. I think the use of Dawn is fine!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:29 pm
by TomW1
Dawn works fine. Used it when I rebuilt our Mirror Dingy. Just rinse if off well of course.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:09 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:29 pm Dawn works fine. Used it when I rebuilt our Mirror Dingy. Just rinse if off well of course.
Thanks Tom.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:31 am
by Jeff
Eric, glad Tom got back to you!! Dawn always does a great job!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:56 am
by Eric1
Here is a picture of the smudge my shoes left. It's the dark line about six inches under the trim line. First thing today I'll be scrubbing this off.

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Feeling pretty good today!! The Shifting of the tables! 4/26/2017
The hull is halfway faired!!

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Superfluous Glamour shot! There should be pipes and drums playing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:30 am
by Jeff
Your hull is really looking very good!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:26 pm
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

Good the hear your wrist is better and you are back to the build!

The boat is looking really good!

Congrats!

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:30 pm
by Fuzz
Treat each step as a milestone. You are getting there. Boat is looking really nice.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff, Carlos and Fuzz. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:02 pm
by Jeff
Eric, How did the Dawn work for you today? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:05 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:02 pm Eric, How did the Dawn work for you today? Jeff
It did well, easily lifted all that crap off the side. I just lightly scrubbed it with a scotchbrite pad and rinsed.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:20 pm
by Jeff
Good Eric!!! Glad it worked well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:14 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Looking good

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:00 pm
by Eric1
Thank You!


Didn't get much done today busy with day job. I had a quote package to get out. I sanded the Quick fair I put on yesterday. This is just the first pass on areas I know need a heavy application.

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If the front moving over me doesn't flood the river, I'll be trout fishing in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:08 pm
by Fuzz
Good luck fishing! Take pictures :D
Be good to take a break you have been hitting that thing pretty hot and heavy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:55 pm
by Eric1
Pretty strange day. I went to the shop with the intent of getting some boat work done. I ended up getting busy with the day job. Ordering steel,tools etc., Monday order are always rush items. Happy for the Blessing of work but man I'm covered up. I did get a little done on the boat, just putting Quick Fair on the second side. I get home and in the mail I received my tax return from 2012! Some how my wife passing away confused the IRS. :| Of course they didn't bother paying interest or penalties to me. :x
Oh well, I turn on the news and see that a cousin by marriage has been charged with murder. He had posted a Harley on Craig's list, a guy shows up and asked to test drive it. He took off and never came back. Well my cousin found him,calls the sheriff and while he's waiting for them, the guys tries to take off on the bike. My cousin ran over him and drug him several hundred feet, killing him. 8O He also had his infant baby in his truck at the time. I wish he'd have thought of that baby and not killed the guy. Just a rotten shame. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Here are boat pictures. Just don't seem important.
390 grams of compound used.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:17 pm
by glossieblack
Awful story. Keep your chin up. Boat looking good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:29 pm
by Jeff
Eric, how terrible!!! I just hope it gets better for the (your) family. Just horrible!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:31 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Boat building is great therapy for life's trials. Terrible story, sad to hear it.
Nice looking work, I really like the hull shape as well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 8:15 pm
by Fuzz
Family problems are always the worst. Sorry to hear of them for you. Nothing like sanding to take your mind off of stuff. But then again that might not be so good for the wrist.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 8:28 pm
by Eric1
Thanks everyone for the kindness. Fuzz the wrist is doing good and building has helped a lot, keeping my mind occupied. Just so much has happened in the last four years. I am just floored tonight. All I can think about is the eight year old boy I met and how his life has come to this. One moment of anger and such a price has been paid by both him and the thief. Such a waste of life.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 10:54 pm
by TomW1
Eric my thoughts are with you. May God bless your cousin in law and hope that all will go well for him. God bless.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:50 am
by cape man
My OD 18 was pure therapy at a time I needed it. Sucks about your Cousin's husband. Hope they are lenient with him.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:50 pm
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

Sorry about your cousin in law.

This is the third time I mess with boats and nothing like do it to clean your mind! Every hour in boat building recharges my batteries days of work!

Regards,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:29 pm
by Eric1
I got back to work on the boat today. I finished applying quick Fair to the second side of the bottom and I got about halfway up the second side panel.
I have not been sleeping good because my neck muscle have been tight as a banjo string. Work and Family issues have taken a toll on my nerves. :(
I needed to go trout fishing this morning but it was pointless due to all the rain last night. Any way here is where the build is at present.

I've lost track of how much Q.F. I've used to cover the bottom.
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I got 180 grams applied to the side panel.
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Maybe tomorrow I can come get the rest of the side panel covered.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:12 pm
by Eric1
I came in and finished putting Q.F. on the side. I used another 150 grams. I'm getting low on the 1st kit I bought. I guess I used a little over 3/4 of it so far. I'm glad I bought a second kit. :wink:

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I thought I'd start sanding the bottom, start was all it was meant to be. I'm having to sit and twist my body to reach it and my neck muscles said no way.
I only got this far, maybe two feet or so.

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I'm heading to the house to clean up. Y'all have a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 3:30 pm
by Fuzz
Eric the boat is looking good. Sorry your body is not as good as the boats :lol: How does the air sander work for you?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:15 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat May 06, 2017 3:30 pm Eric the boat is looking good. Sorry your body is not as good as the boats :lol: How does the air sander work for you?
Thanks Bro, I wish I held up better too. :lol: I really like this tool a lot. It is well worth the money spent for it. I'm playing with design idea to make a flexible base for it to work over compound curves. Foe now I just hit though areas to knock off the heavy stuff and hand block them.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 4:21 pm
by Eric1
Delete this

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 4:22 pm
by Eric1
Eric1 wrote: Sat May 06, 2017 5:15 pm
Fuzz wrote: Sat May 06, 2017 3:30 pm Eric the boat is looking good. Sorry your body is not as good as the boats :lol: How does the air sander work for you?
Thanks Bro, I wish I held up better too. :lol: I really like this tool a lot. It is well worth the money spent for it. I'm playing with design idea to make a flexible base for it to work over compound curves. For now I just hit the rough areas to knock off the heavy stuff and hand block them.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 4:35 pm
by Eric1
I've been busy today. Finally got my banking done, got the car washed and a haircut. Busted butt and sanded the second half of the bottom too!!!
I'm Very happy with the results. I only have some small places to fill and I don't think the bow will need as much work as the first side did. :D 8)

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From the Bow.

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Close up of low spots on the Bow curve.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:13 pm
by Fuzz
Dang man, that thing has got to be getting close to primer time :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:21 pm
by Jeff
Eric, agree with Fuzz, she is getting really close to prime and paint!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:41 pm
by Eric1
Jeff and Fuzz, I can see light at the end of the tunnel! I'm getting excited thinking about it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:48 pm
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

I know the feeling!

She is smooth, even shine under lights!! Nice work!

Congrats,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:39 pm
by Fuzz
Remember the first coat of primer will show little flaws. That is good as once you can see them you can fix them. But then again you just might not have any :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:24 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon May 08, 2017 10:39 pm Remember the first coat of primer will show little flaws. That is good as once you can see them you can fix them. But then again you just might not have any :D
I'm sure there are places I'll have to attend to. The question is how fair is fair? :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:42 pm
by TomW1
Hi Eric, don't forget to put on a guide coat after maybe your second round of fairing before sanding this will show your highs and lows.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 2:33 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue May 09, 2017 12:42 pm Hi Eric, don't forget to put on a guide coat after maybe your second round of fairing before sanding this will show your highs and lows.

That is the plan. I tested that 3m guide coat on the bow yesterday. It makes it pop out at you and there is no wait time. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:11 pm
by Eric1
I decided to come to the shop and work on the boat for a little bit. I put on a second batch of Quick Fair.
It was mostly spot filling and filling the keel. I used 90 more grams. It was a couple of hours at a leisurely pace, my knees are tired from the river yesterday.

View from the table:

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From the Bow.

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Hope you all are having a great weekend. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:16 pm
by bateau-webmaster
She's looking smoother than a baby's butt Eric. When you gonna prime that beast 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:18 pm
by bateau-webmaster
I'm betting this guy's gonna bust out the laser level on us, and sweep for lows with it :p

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:28 pm
by Jaysen
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 1:18 pm I'm betting this guy's gonna bust out the laser level on us, and sweep for lows with it :p
Industrial 3D scanner. Input data to surface modeler. Modeler creates map to modified 3 axis CNC. Map includes tool switching to "ez fair" and adequate waits for curing. There is another customization to the CNC, "micro fairing board" that uses tunneling electron microscope to ensure leveling at the molecular level.

Then he will give it a third pass just to make sure.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:33 pm
by bateau-webmaster
I'm lovin it. I do have plans to one day build a "fairing drone" something along those lines :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:37 pm
by Jaysen
3D printer for complete (and safe) hull.

There has to be something viable there.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:40 pm
by Fuzz
You come up with something to do the fairing and you will be a zillionair in short order :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:46 pm
by bateau-webmaster
I hope so! That's definitely on my bucket list.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 2:28 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 1:16 pm She's looking smoother than a baby's butt Eric. When you gonna prime that beast 8)
Jamie I still have the lower third of the bottom to touch up and the entire other side to do. I've been really busy in the shop lately so I squeeze in what I can.I'm thinking June for primer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 2:29 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 1:28 pm
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 1:18 pm I'm betting this guy's gonna bust out the laser level on us, and sweep for lows with it :p
Industrial 3D scanner. Input data to surface modeler. Modeler creates map to modified 3 axis CNC. Map includes tool switching to "ez fair" and adequate waits for curing. There is another customization to the CNC, "micro fairing board" that uses tunneling electron microscope to ensure leveling at the molecular level.

Then he will give it a third pass just to make sure.
You are crazy! LOL!!! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 2:30 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Sounds good Eric, don't want you to think I'm rushing you! You do good work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 2:32 pm
by Eric1
Not at all Jamie and thank you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:10 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
They just don't understand our type Eric lol 1/64 might as well be a mile to us.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:39 pm
by Jaysen
I'm with you guys. I'm just forcing myself to get used to thinking of building a boat like welding jeep bumpers. And based on the amount of sandpaper I've consumed I'm getting the message :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:36 am
by bateau-webmaster
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:10 pm They just don't understand our type Eric lol 1/64 might as well be a mile to us.
I understand the Machinist mindset. I'm just not the type to fair a boat to perfection. Anything I build you can expect a workboat finish on, unless I have a whole bunch of free labor, (or unless I plan on building anything to sell). In fact I've given a lot of thought toward justifying leaving the glass weave proud over the entire surface of the boat, because it might be a benefit, hydrodynamically (fish scales create tiny vortices that reduce drag).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 3:28 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Oh great now another thing we might take to extremes I hadn't thought about the drag coefficient until now . :lol: you may have triggered an idea I might have to try on a kayak.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:04 pm
by pee wee
How long would it take to carve fish scales all over a C21? :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:26 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 4:04 pm How long would it take to carve fish scales all over a C21? :help:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay Longer than this old fart will give it. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:44 pm
by Fuzz
Quick, prime and graphite that thing before you get any ideas :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:27 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 6:44 pm Quick, prime and graphite that thing before you get any ideas :lol:
I'm trying! :lol: I got a little done today but not much. I spent most of the day putting out fires in the machine shop and dealing with a couple of bone head engineers in Europe.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Don't succumb to peer pressure :wink:
Prime when it's time.
Nice work :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:41 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 7:30 pm Don't succumb to peer pressure :wink:
Prime when it's time.
Nice work :D
Thanks Richard! They're just busting chops, I think. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:30 pm
by Fuzz
Us...........now would we do something like that :roll:

You have a ton more discipline than me. I can only stand it for so long and then I have to move on. And that is why I will never build a work of art like some of these guys. Well that and a major lack of talent :cry:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 5:28 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 10:30 pm Us...........now would we do something like that :roll:

You have a ton more discipline than me. I can only stand it for so long and then I have to move on. And that is why I will never build a work of art like some of these guys. Well that and a major lack of talent :cry:
Yes Y'all would!!! :D That's the nature of friends!

Not buying the second part. You have done a crap load of great work on the Sintas rebuild! For what is worth there are times I have had enough of boat work too. In my part of the country trout season is over pretty quick. They are stocking the river this week and I'm saving some knees for friday's trip to catch some. I can't hunt deer anymore because my body won't let me put the time in the woods to be successful. Duck hunting is a distant dream now, but I can sure go fishing! Yea Bero, Sometimes the boat has to wait.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 5:12 pm
by Eric1
Well it's been a while but I got back to work on the build today.
I got two sections sanded today and the bow form. All of which still needs filling.
This is as far as I got and the left knee got wobbly So That's enough today.

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Found an area full of pin holes. Wish I knew the cause, these can be a pain to fill.

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More lows, Most of what I'm seeing is from my crappy spatula work. I could do better feathering these in I think.

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The Bow on this side is filling differently than the first. I have more lows after 2 passes but they are not as deep.
I don't know, maybe it's just me.

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Just a dumb question I think I know the answer to. Should I sand a radius along the keel for the epoxy/graphite coating?
I'm thinking I should, maybe 1/2" or so.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Your boat looks great Eric.
I would sand a little radius on the keel. I believe slightly radiused edges tend to be tougher to chip than sharp edges.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:01 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 7:51 pm Your boat looks great Eric.
I would sand a little radius on the keel. I believe slightly radiused edges tend to be tougher to chip than sharp edges.
Thank You Richard.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 9:28 pm
by Fuzz
Boats looks great Eric. Is it starting to feel like it is 50 foot long yet :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:47 pm
by glossieblack
Nice work Eric. You're almost out of the fairing doldrums. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 3:43 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 9:28 pm Boats looks great Eric. Is it starting to feel like it is 50 foot long yet :lol:
Thank You Fuzz. Yea at least 50 foot long. :lol:
glossieblack wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 10:47 pm Nice work Eric. You're almost out of the fairing doldrums. :D

Thank You too Glossieblack. I'm ready for it to end. It's 3:30 pm as I write this and I'm worn out from the day already.
I finished the third bottom panel first thing this morning. Then I vacuumed and washed the bottom again. After that Io mixed 30 grams of QF and put it on the bow. That took me until 11:45 so my Brother and I headed to lunch. After lunch I mixed another 30 grams and spot filled the bottom. It went pretty far as most of the lows were light, Some were just textures I didn't like.

Here are the pictures, The fat old fart is finished today.

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Spot fill on bottom.

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Torture devices...Not really but I'm feeling it today.
This was where I stopped. All in all a pretty good day's work.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 3:56 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I agree, it looks like the fairing and sanding is almost over for you!!! The boat looks great!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:00 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed May 31, 2017 3:56 pm Eric, I agree, it looks like the fairing and sanding is almost over for you!!! The boat looks great!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:18 pm
by Fuzz
I got good news and bad news. The outside fairing is almost done. Before you know it you will be done with this one, a little time will pass, and then you will be wanting to build another one. Sort of like a woman having babies :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:40 pm
by Jaysen
Oh god! It's been 9mo that I've been gestating mine. Literally. Fuzz may be evil.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:23 am
by Browndog
Looking good. This is probably the only time that anyone will be looking at the bottom as carefully as you are. Don't to be too hard on yourself. A few coats of Epoxy Graphite can do wonders to a boat bottom!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:49 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed May 31, 2017 10:18 pm I got good news and bad news. The outside fairing is almost done. Before you know it you will be done with this one, a little time will pass, and then you will be wanting to build another one. Sort of like a woman having babies :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I already have the plans!
Jaysen wrote: Wed May 31, 2017 10:40 pm Oh god! It's been 9mo that I've been gestating mine. Literally. Fuzz may be evil.
Nah, Not evil he just knows your ways. 8O
Browndog wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:23 am Looking good. This is probably the only time that anyone will be looking at the bottom as carefully as you are. Don't to be too hard on yourself. A few coats of Epoxy Graphite can do wonders to a boat bottom!
Man I hope you are right, I feel bad knowing there are small spots I'm trusting the graphite will cover. I mean three coats of the stuff should cover something. Right?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:40 am
by cvincent
Looking good Eric. Fairing to me is the most difficult part of building these boats.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:20 pm
by Eric1
cvincent wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:40 am Looking good Eric. Fairing to me is the most difficult part of building these boats.
Thank You and I agree, Fairing is tedious.

End of the day post.
I sanded the second side from chine to trim line. This is what I have after the first coat of Quick Fair.

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I am pleased with it. Here is the bow up close. It's better than expected.

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Here is the worst of it, but I expected this much. It's where I joined the ply to make a long panel.

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All in all. A good days work. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:18 am
by TomW1
Man that is a big boat Eric. Glad your doing the fairing and not me. :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:33 am
by glossieblack
Very nice work Eric. I admire your skill and tenacity. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:01 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:33 am Very nice work Eric. I admire your skill and tenacity. 8)
Thank You Glossieblack. I consider that a Big Compliment having watched your build! :D
TomW1 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:18 am Man that is a big boat Eric. Glad your doing the fairing and not me. :lol:

Tom
Yes it is! Trust me, After a day of block sanding your hands feel like stone. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:09 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Damn nice, I really like the way the foam strakes are turning out, especially at the ends.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:27 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:09 pm Damn nice, I really like the way the foam strakes are turning out, especially at the ends.
Thank you Jamie!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:02 pm
by Eric1
Today was another day of block sanding. The bottom and the upper side panel have been sanded again.
I've only found a few lows that need another bit of Quick Fair as shown below.
I'll fill these in the morning when I start to fill the strakes.

Side panel near bow
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Bottom on bow opposite side.
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It's been a long road to get to this point but I have just little to do before priming and painting.
My check list.

1. Fair last two strakes.
2. Dam and fill upper side panel to transom.
3. Fillet the strakes.
4. Fillet the last spray rail rail and fair.
5. Fair the last side panel.
6. Fair the transom again.
7. Mount castors
8. Wash and prep for primer

Last item for today, My daughter Judy has reached a big day in her life! Today is her 16th Birthday!!! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:01 pm
by MrPaul
Congrats on your daughter's 16th. She'll be wanting to drive in no time.

Those little pencil circles look really familiar. I'm at that stage too. Circle the deep spots, fill, sand, find more deep spots, repeat. I can't wait until I can't find any more deep spots.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:26 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:01 pm Congrats on your daughter's 16th. She'll be wanting to drive in no time.

Those little pencil circles look really familiar. I'm at that stage too. Circle the deep spots, fill, sand, find more deep spots, repeat. I can't wait until I can't find any more deep spots.
Thank You!
She is driving with me already. I gotta say she doing well.
I'm with you on fairing, happy it's almost done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:34 pm
by Jeff
Eric, your boat is looking great!!! Almost there!! And congrats to both you and your daughter on her 16th birthday!! That is a big day---start of some real independence!! Let me look your order over in the morning and I will call you to discuss how many rollers!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:21 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice work Eric! Do you use flexible sanding sponges to sand the fine contours?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:37 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:21 pm Very nice work Eric! Do you use flexible sanding sponges to sand the fine contours?
Thank You,
I did today, I tried one on the keel after blocking with 80 and 120. I want to say it was 150 but I can't recall. It made the surface slick as goose poop.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:37 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:21 pm Very nice work Eric! Do you use flexible sanding sponges to sand the fine contours?
Thank You,
I did today, I tried one on the keel after blocking with 80 and 120. I want to say it was 150 but I can't recall. It made the surface slick as goose poop.
Great! We buy them by the thousand, was going to offer to send you some if you didn't have a supply.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:53 pm
by csotelo
The to do list is getting short, almost there Eric!

Congrats to your daughter on her birthday!!

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:56 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:00 pm
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:37 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:21 pm Very nice work Eric! Do you use flexible sanding sponges to sand the fine contours?
Thank You,
I did today, I tried one on the keel after blocking with 80 and 120. I want to say it was 150 but I can't recall. It made the surface slick as goose poop.
Great! We buy them by the thousand, was going to offer to send you some if you didn't have a supply.
Thank You Very Much!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:57 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:53 pm The to do list is getting short, almost there Eric!

Congrats to your daughter on her birthday!!

Carlos
Thank You Carlos!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:38 pm
by Eric1
I worked some yesterday and most of today. A little bit of sanding but mostly filling.
See changes to the check list. :)

1. Fair last two strakes. Filled
2. Dam and fill upper side panel to transom. Filled and Sanded, needs another pass.
3. Fillet the strakes.
4. Fillet the last spray rail and fair. Filled
5. Fair the last side panel.
6. Fair the transom again.
7. Mount castors
8. Wash and prep for primer

Side to Transom

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Fillet on underside of first spray rail.

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Last two strakes are filled.

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Pulled fillet on top of spray rail #2.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:52 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks great!!! Your order shipped today. Should have the UPS tracking numbers by 5:00 PM!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:12 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:50 pm
by Fuzz
You must have that thing smooth as a babies butt by now :D Great job spending the time to get it right.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:41 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:50 pm You must have that thing smooth as a babies butt by now :D Great job spending the time to get it right.
Thank You Fuzz, :) It's only slick as 120 grit paper will go. After fairing everything with the 120 I plan to go to my 5" Random Orbital sander with 220 all over the boat. Just a light kiss to smooth it. I may go to a soft sponge block for this as I don't want to have any dig marks from the sander. One slip with the RO would cause a problem. I try to keep Murphy away with forward thinking.


Today's update:

1. Fair last two strakes. Filled
2. Dam and fill upper side panel to transom. Filled and Sanded, needs another pass.
3. Fillet the strakes.
XXX 4. Fillet the last spray rail and fair. Filled, Complete!! XXX
5. Fair the last side panel.
6. Fair the transom again.
7. Mount castors
8. Wash and prep for primer

Spray Rail #1

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#2

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:43 pm
by Fuzz
Lord knows I am lousy at finish work but isn't there a point where you can get things too smooth for the paint to adhere well to?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking good Eric :D I admire your attention to detail on such a big boat!
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:43 pm Lord knows I am lousy at finish work but isn't there a point where you can get things too smooth for the paint to adhere well to?
You are correct, you can get the fairing too slick for the primer to adhere to.
System 3 recommends 150 grit as the final prep for primer.
I use either 120 or 150 grit paper. 220 is too fine, especially if it has been on the RO a little too long...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:26 pm
by Jaysen
Then my 20' 60gr workboat finish will never peel ;-)

I may be losing my mind, but from 60 to 100 on the RO the difference was minimal. I did take a swipe or 50 with 220 and that was noticeable. Keep in mind I'm talkin fairing/straight epoxy not finish layers. In finish layers EVERY step up was noticeable.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:27 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:10 pm Looking good Eric :D I admire your attention to detail on such a big boat!
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:43 pm Lord knows I am lousy at finish work but isn't there a point where you can get things too smooth for the paint to adhere well to?
You are correct, you can get the fairing too slick for the primer to adhere to.
System 3 recommends 150 grit as the final prep for primer.
I use either 120 or 150 grit paper. 220 is too fine, especially if it has been on the RO a little too long...
Thank You so much! I'm glad you have posted about the 150 grit. I tried to find what System three required and never saw it.
You may well have saved me a disaster.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You're welcome. Here is a screen shot of the sanding requirements for S3 primer. All other primers have similar specs...

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:00 pm
by Eric1
Jamie emailed that to me and completely missed it. In my defense I have machine down and it's all I've dealt with today. Less than 3k hours and the transmission has failed. Never the less, Thank You again.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I hear you, I had a cnc saw down on Monday.
Glad to help, looking forward to your primer photos 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:32 pm
by csotelo
Looking good, Eric!

Once you got the primer, open the can and stir it. Mine (Interlux) is so thick, even after I thin it as recommended that covered all marks of 60gr sanding in the first coat. It can save a good time and don´t compromise the results.

Regards,

Carlos.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:50 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 pm I hear you, I had a cnc saw down on Monday.
Glad to help, looking forward to your primer photos 8)
Just ridiculous what repair costs on CNCs. The transmission will run me 14,555.00 and the spindle rebuild was 8,800.00. :x

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:00 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:50 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 pm I hear you, I had a cnc saw down on Monday.
Glad to help, looking forward to your primer photos 8)
Just ridiculous what repair costs on CNCs. The transmission will run me 14,555.00 and the spindle rebuild was 8,800.00. :x
Those home made $500 units seem a bit more attractive now? :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:06 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:00 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:50 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:16 pm I hear you, I had a cnc saw down on Monday.
Glad to help, looking forward to your primer photos 8)
Just ridiculous what repair costs on CNCs. The transmission will run me 14,555.00 and the spindle rebuild was 8,800.00. :x
Those home made $500 units seem a bit more attractive now? :D
Not really, not for what I do with a CNC. :lol: You would have to see one of these running a 2 1/2" indexable drill at 14" a minute in Stainless to understand. The CNC you are talking about would not be accurate enough either.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:08 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:06 pm Not really, not for what I do with a CNC. You would have to see one of these running a 2 1/2" indexable drill at 14" a minute in Stainless to understand. The CNC you are talking about would not be accurate enough either.
yeah, you are way to big. But it sure would be nice if you could DIY something that would work...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:10 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:08 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:06 pm Not really, not for what I do with a CNC. You would have to see one of these running a 2 1/2" indexable drill at 14" a minute in Stainless to understand. The CNC you are talking about would not be accurate enough either.
yeah, you are way to big. But it sure would be nice if you could DIY something that would work...
Dang sure would!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:45 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:32 pm Looking good, Eric!

Once you got the primer, open the can and stir it. Mine (Interlux) is so thick, even after I thin it as recommended that covered all marks of 60gr sanding in the first coat. It can save a good time and don´t compromise the results.

Regards,

Carlos.
Thank you Carlos! I plan to take my primer to Lowes and ask them to mix my primer up too.


End of the day report.

XXX 1. Fair last two strakes. Filled Complete! XXX
2. Dam and fill upper side panel to transom. Filled and Sanded, needs another pass.
3. Fillet the strakes.
4. Fair the last side panel.
5. Fair the transom again.
6. Mount castors
7. Wash and prep for primer

Strakes from transom

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Tomorrow's plan is to pull fillets on the strakes and start filling the last side panel. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:52 pm
by Jeff
Eric, That is going to be one slick boat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:55 pm
by Eric1
Thanks buddy! By the way I got my shipment in today! Thank Y'all, As always very fast delivery!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:54 pm
by glossieblack
Does the shipment include primer? I'm sure looking forward to seeing her primed. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:14 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:54 pm Does the shipment include primer? I'm sure looking forward to seeing her primed. :D
No, I've had the primer a while. It was silica,graphite and some 3/8 Nap rollers and frames.
I hope to need all of this by the end of the month!!! :D :D :D
The rollers look to be top notch!! I still plan to run them over some duct tape though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:27 am
by Fuzz
Hate to hear about the CNC break down and its costs. That would put a serious damper on the boat building budget :cry:
On the up side you have a whole bunch of folks eagerly looking forward to primer pictures.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:01 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:27 am Hate to hear about the CNC break down and its costs. That would put a serious damper on the boat building budget :cry:
On the up side you have a whole bunch of folks eagerly looking forward to primer pictures.
Thank You Buddy. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:32 pm
by Eric1
Today has gone as planned other than a few interruptions from salesmen. I pulled fillets on the strakes, put a second coat on the side/transom corner and washed the lower side panel and started filling it. After I used 90 grams of Quick Fair I emptied that container and opened a new bucket. I have to say that first kit went a lot further than I thought it would!

Today's report.

1. Side panel to transom. Filled and Sanded,second coat applied.
XXX 2. Fillet the strakes. Completed XXX
3. Fair the last side panel. Started, finish filling tomorrow!
4. Fair the transom again.
5. Mount castors
6. Wash and prep for primer

Fillets:

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Started last side panel.

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Tomorrow morning sand fillets while it's cool. The shop hit 86 degrees around 3:30 today and the rest of the week is supposed to be even hotter.
Then continue to fill the side.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks great! Very nice looking fillets.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:09 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:41 pm Looks great! Very nice looking fillets.
Thank You Richard. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:20 pm
by Eric1
Not a great day of boat building. I've felt like mud all day, just no energy. I managed to sand the fillets on the strakes.\
I found an air pocket in the process. It's been repaired but that it. I'm going home to rest.

Today.

1. Side panel to transom. Filled and Sanded,second coat applied.
2. Fair the last side panel. Continue tomorrow
3. Fair the transom again.
4. Mount castors
5. Wash and prep for primer

Fillets

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:46 pm
by Jeff
I hope you feel better tomorrow!! Boat is looking good regardless!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:03 pm
by Eric1
I'm try to get some work done but I had spend the morning at the doctors office.
I may have an ulcer, going for ultra sound tomorrow. Doc said it could be liver or gall bladder also.
I've spent the last five day days feeling like I've been kicked in the stomach.
I have most of the last side panel filled. I have a little bit left to go. Saving it for first light before ultra sound.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm
by cape man
Good luck at the Doc!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:51 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:15 pm Good luck at the Doc!
Thank You Kindly

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:50 pm
by Jeff
Eric, take care of yourself as an ulcer can be ugly and painful for a while!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:06 pm
by Fuzz
Reading your symptoms and the tests needed my thought was sounds a little bit preggers to me :lol:
Hope the Docs get you fixed up. I am really enjoying your build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:10 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:06 pm Reading your symptoms and the tests needed my thought was sounds a little bit preggers to me :lol:
Hope the Docs get you fixed up. I am really enjoying your build.
Dammit Boy! That's funny!! :lol:
Thanks

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:49 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric, it was nice talking to you the other day.
Your boat is looking great! That is a big rascal to fair!
Hope all goes well for you with your health.
Take care.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:01 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:49 am Eric, it was nice talking to you the other day.
Your boat is looking great! That is a big rascal to fair!
Hope all goes well for you with your health.
Take care.
Thank You Richard.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:31 pm
by Eric1
Well Guys, I started meds for ulcers yesterday and I can already feel a change for the good. Now it just feel like a kid is punching my stomach. :lol:
You're gonna love this Fuzz. The woman that did my ultra sound was pregnant!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
She had a great sense of humor too. She dimmed the lights and put that warm jelly on my gut and I said, Dim lights, pretty girl,warm jelly...What could go wrong? She cut loose laughing!!! I also asked if she saw an alien trying to eat it way out? She said, "I can't diagnose but nothing is jumping out at me.
Results monday.

Then I came in and sanded about half of the side panel and I sanded the bow just to knock off the highs. Then I filled the remaining area and the bow again. I moved back and started filling the transom too.

Bow second fill.

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Sanded this far..

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Transom first pass, Blue line is the lower limit of the lowest surface. From there down is a relatively flat plane.


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1. Fair the last side panel. Halfway there
2. Fair the transom again. Started today
3. Mount castors
4. Wash and prep for primer

That's it for today. I hope everyone has a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:35 pm
by Eric1
I heard from the Doctor before I left the shop. I got the results from my ultrasound. Doctor said, my gall bladder is normal and my liver is normal. The ulcer meds are working, I'm not hurting near as badly as I was. So she thinks it's an ulcer. I have to cut citrus out of my diet for three months and take this medicine for three months. She told me if I'll listen to her and do what she asked it will go away.
Thanks again to every for the kind thoughts.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:44 pm
by BB Sig
Good to hear! My wife complains when I joke with medical people. I work in a clinic around them all day...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:43 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:31 pm Well Guys, I started meds for ulcers yesterday and I can already feel a change for the good. Now it just feel like a kid is punching my stomach. :lol:
You're gonna love this Fuzz. The woman that did my ultra sound was pregnant!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
She had a great sense of humor too. She dimmed the lights and put that warm jelly on my gut and I said, Dim lights, pretty girl,warm jelly...What could go wrong? She cut loose laughing!!!
Well you had me rolling with that one :lol:
It is good to hear it is something that can be fixed and maybe with not too much trouble.

Speaking of nurses a few years back I had my dad in the emergency room. They had him all hooked up and every 15 minutes the machine would pump up and take his blood pressure. It was normal, 130/80, pretty good for 80 something. Pretty nurse comes in to check him out and while they are chatting the machine pumps up again. She says boy you are in good shape for your age. I look at the BP numbers and just start rolling. They look at me like I am crazy when I say "happy Too" BP 150/90 pretty girls effect men of all ages :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:58 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:43 pm
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:31 pm Well Guys, I started meds for ulcers yesterday and I can already feel a change for the good. Now it just feel like a kid is punching my stomach. :lol:
You're gonna love this Fuzz. The woman that did my ultra sound was pregnant!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
She had a great sense of humor too. She dimmed the lights and put that warm jelly on my gut and I said, Dim lights, pretty girl,warm jelly...What could go wrong? She cut loose laughing!!!
Well you had me rolling with that one :lol:
It is good to hear it is something that can be fixed and maybe with not too much trouble.

Speaking of nurses a few years back I had my dad in the emergency room. They had him all hooked up and every 15 minutes the machine would pump up and take his blood pressure. It was normal, 130/80, pretty good for 80 something. Pretty nurse comes in to check him out and while they are chatting the machine pumps up again. She says boy you are in good shape for your age. I look at the BP numbers and just start rolling. They look at me like I am crazy when I say "happy Too" BP 150/90 pretty girls effect men of all ages :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Great to hear you are on the mend :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:05 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:12 pm Great to hear you are on the mend :D
Thank You Richard! I hope this mornings fishing was fun!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:14 pm
by Jeff
Sounds like the meds must be working for you!! Glad it is Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:41 pm
by Eric1
I worked this morning, finished sanding the side panel. I tried letting the foam block follow the radius of the bow and only open up a buttload of pinholes.
I sanded the first fill on the transom build up. It came out pretty good. Next I filled the port and starboard side to transom corners. Then I filled the transom low area again. I think once I block the transom after this I can fair it the rest of the way.

Here is the last side panel finished.

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Starboard corner.

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Port corner.

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Second fill on Transom, 90 grams of Q.F.

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Opened a can of @#%$ :oops: , I will go back over this with Q.F. and sand with 120 grit max.
The 80 will be to aggressive.

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This is looking down at the trim line. I've done the best I could to keep this a sharp clean line but I'm not happy with it.
The first thing I'm gonna try is to tape it off and fill with epoxy or epoxy and a little silica as it will want to run towards the bow.
If that doesn't get it my next plan is to pull a radius of Quick Fair and sand it like those mother loving strakes.

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Well I'm off to the grocery store and to cook hot dog chili for church tomorrow. They want to cook hamburgers and hot dogs for Father's day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:44 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:14 pm Sounds like the meds must be working for you!! Glad it is Eric!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:48 pm
by Browndog
Looking good! I found a few small bad spots now that I'm putting on the paint. Hard to find them all.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:24 pm
by Eric1
I spent a couple of hours on the boat today. Most of my time was on shop business.

I filled the pin holes on the bow.

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Then I free hand built up this edge.

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I used a dam on this side.

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I sanded the second fill on the transom and I have it ready for final pass.

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I used the left over mix to touch up about a dozen places I was not happy with.
Of course after I took the pictures and had used all I had mixed I saw a huge low in the picture above where I had just filled. :lol:

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Tomorrow morning while it's still cool I'll sand and fill some more. We seem to be in a Florida weather pattern. Humid and hot all day then a thunderstorm in the late afternoon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:12 pm
by Jeff
Hey, what about the results from the doc? Call me tomorrow when you have time!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm
by Eric1
After filling in the transom twice below the tape lines I felt comfortable enough to cover it in one complete layer of Quick Fair.
We'll see what it brings.

Another boring fairing picture

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I'm slight ahead of my end of the month plan. :D
1. Fair the transom again. Last major fill complete
2. Mount castors
3. Wash and prep for primer

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:09 pm
by cape man
Never have I spent the time and effort you are. Looks awesome.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work Eric! I'm getting additional motivation to soldier on with fairing by looking at your photos.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:55 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:09 pm Never have I spent the time and effort you are. Looks awesome.
Thank You!!
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:41 pm Nice looking work Eric! I'm getting additional motivation to soldier on with fairing by looking at your photos.
Thank You too! I glad it's giving you motivation! So many times I've poured into the forum and just admired all the work I've seen. I've watched every video on YouTube I could find on Bateau builds. I too have found much inspiration from what others have done. Most of y'all make this look easy. It's such a different world than what I'm used too but I like this world. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:59 am
by glossieblack
I agree with Cape Man and Richard. Lovely work. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:28 am
by Eric1
Thank You GlossieBlack!

I got here around 7:30, had some coffee and started sanding.
The transom is faired in pretty well, but I have some small pockets of fill work to do.
After fairing the corners are low again so I have more work to do there. I'm going to pickup some Dykem after lunch and spray a guide coat.
Then hit it with 120 grit on a block and go from there.

Current status:

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Shallow angle view:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:41 am
by Jeff
Eric, again, that is going to be one slick hull!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:45 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:41 am Eric, again, that is going to be one slick hull!!! Jeff
Probably seems Crazy to get it this slick just to paint it flat Haze Gray but That's what I'm doing.
I never said I was "right" in the head. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:54 am
by Reid
Looking good Eric!!!

I was sanding/fairing the FS18 yesterday and will be back at it today. Every time I get tired of sanding I think to myself: "WWED - What Would Eric DO!!"

Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:10 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Reid wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:54 am Looking good Eric!!!

I was sanding/fairing the FS18 yesterday and will be back at it today. Every time I get tired of sanding I think to myself: "WWED - What Would Eric DO!!"

Reid
:lol: First Build, and he's taking from the most meticulous Fairer I've seen on the board 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:03 pm
by pee wee
It may not be nice to pigeon-hole anybody, but every machinist I have known likes to take things down to insane levels of accuracy compared to mere mortals (I mean in addition to their work, of course). It's both a point of pride and a curse, I guess. No two ways about it, though, you're doing a great job.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:56 pm
by Eric1
Reid wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:54 am Looking good Eric!!!

I was sanding/fairing the FS18 yesterday and will be back at it today. Every time I get tired of sanding I think to myself: "WWED - What Would Eric DO!!"

Reid
You saw me admit I'm not right didn't you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:58 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:03 pm It may not be nice to pigeon-hole anybody, but every machinist I have known likes to take things down to insane levels of accuracy compared to mere mortals (I mean in addition to their work, of course). It's both a point of pride and a curse, I guess. No two ways about it, though, you're doing a great job.
Thank you Pee Wee. You're dead right about machinists! We are an odd lot.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:33 pm
by Eric1
I came back from lunch and applied a guide coat of Dykem. So far I like this better than anything else for a guide coat. It dries in seconds and does not load your sandpaper!! I paid about $17.00 for a spray can of the stuff. That cheaper than the graphite powder I bought. This is all I will use from now on.
Perfect now that I'm about finished fairing!!! :lol:

Blue dots of Dykem, I almost forgot to take a picture.

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Worst two lows.

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Near upper left on transom.

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This is on the side I used the dam on. I'll open these a little with a pencil grinder so I don't trap air again.

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Just left of centerline.

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Lower right side.

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Right side edge. This is the side I free handed. Dam will go on in the morning, I'm tired of messing around with it.

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Summary of today:

Transom air sanded with 80 grit on air file.
Sanded again with 16" hard foam block 80 grit.
Guide coat applied and sanded a third time with 16" hard foam and 120 grit.
The Fat Boy is done for the day!
I'm gonna pick up some chicken chow mein on the way home and do a whole lot of nothing tonight. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:16 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Best way to spend an evening. Build's coming along good! Not many people really take the time to go for the level of detail, and smoothness you are going for. But as they say, if you are going to do something, take the time to do it right.

Can't wait to see what you wind up doing for the deck/sole. This build thread hasn't disappointed me yet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 pm
by Eric1
I love the feel of teak on my bare feet but another part of my body says it will cost to much!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:52 pm
by Browndog
Way to go Eric. The sanding and fairing and guide coating and resanding is a major pain in the rump. But your boat will be the better for it. Now that I've painted mine and can see all of the little flaws, I wish I had taken even more time fairing everything.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:17 am
by Fuzz
Eric I think it would be better to set that junky thing aside. I will haul it off for you this fall :D Least I can do for a buddy :lol: :lol:
I am sure it is really going to shine when you do paint it :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:01 am
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:52 pm Way to go Eric. The sanding and fairing and guide coating and resanding is a major pain in the rump. But your boat will be the better for it. Now that I've painted mine and can see all of the little flaws, I wish I had taken even more time fairing everything.
Thanks for the motivation. I hope my paint looks as good as your. You've built a beautiful boat so far! :)
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:17 am Eric I think it would be better to set that junky thing aside. I will haul it off for you this fall :D Least I can do for a buddy :lol: :lol:
I am sure it is really going to shine when you do paint it :!:
I'm still not sure if I will come to the meet. Ten hours of driving for me. I stand stand to fly anymore, all the HS bullcrap sucks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:57 am
by Eric1
Good Morning,

First thing I did was set up a dam on the port side edge. Then I ground out the pin holes with a pencil grinder. Glad I did this two of the hole opened further to expose a bigger void. Mixed 30 grams of quick fair and went to work.

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Filled small lows

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Pin holes filled

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Earlier I'd mentioned I needed to dress the trim line. I'd thought about taping it up and applying thickened epoxy to do this.
I think the lazy side of me got to make the call this morning. I thought that is a crap ton of work and I doubt it will yield better results than working with quick fair. So I'm just pulling a fillet with my finger and I think it is going to look pretty good. I plan to use a soft foam sanding pad to finish these.

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Well, Back to the fillets...to be continued....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:21 pm
by Eric1
Everything has been sanded. Two more minor places have been filled.

Fillet in trim line sanded.

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Last Item for today:

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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

https://youtu.be/BT1ircqQklo

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:31 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'll add a smiley :D
Congratulations on a job well done 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:23 pm
by TomW1
HIP, HIP, HORRAY :D :D :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:29 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all!! It feels really great to have gotten this done!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:42 pm
by narfi
Woop Woop!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:59 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!! It has taken a while but you are finally there!!!! Congrats friend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm
by seaslug
I think you missed a spot a couple of inches off your left elbow! Only kidding. You probably did a more thorough fairing job than all of the builders on this sight, past, present, and future, and from your photo, you don't even look completely crazy! Ok, maybe a little crazy. I just hope that after you put primer on it you cannot find a single tiny little blemish. You deserve to move directly to finish painting, and I and everyone else can't wait to see it with the topcoat finished. Great job all around, and have enjoyed the build all the way through. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:50 pm
by Eric1
Narfi,Jeff and Mike, Thank y'all!!! :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:33 pm
by Fuzz
Late to the party but I offer my congratulations also. I am sure you are the happiest of us all :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:51 pm
by glossieblack
One contended looking Eric! Congratulations. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:45 am
by csotelo
It was tough, but you did it!!

Congratulations my friend! Excellent job!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:49 am
by Browndog
Awesome!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:40 am
by BB Sig
Congratulations. :D

Now let's see how picky you are with priming and painting! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:59 am
by topwater
About time you stopped rubbing that boat and put some primer on . You are just going to make the rest of us look bad :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:12 am
by bateau-webmaster
Awesome! can't wait to see what the primer reveals (mirror finish most like)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:13 am
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:40 am Congratulations. :D

Now let's see how picky you are with priming and painting! :lol:
I'm gonna try my best not to be to critical. I'm getting tired.
topwater wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:59 am You are just going to make the rest of us look bad :lol:
Nope, I've seen the builds. I doubt I'll make anyone look bad.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:38 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:13 am Nope, I've seen the builds. I doubt I'll make anyone look bad.
Unless you literally start shooting your hull with bird shot, Lil Bit's work boat finish will be far far below your finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:04 pm
by Eric1
Alright I'm ready for Monday! Castors are mounted and I can push her around with my finger tips!
I have a bad case of glass itch. Amazing how much sanding dust gets under the boat. :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:45 pm
by Fuzz
You made me feel bad looking at how clean your work area is. I went out and spent 2 hours with the shop vac cleaning my shop. I know it had to have done some good but another 48 hours would not hurt :help:
Say what you want but I am not buying you will slack off on the finish work at this point. You spent way too much time doing the fairing for that to happen.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:56 pm
by glossieblack
Enjoy priming her Eric. You're about to be rewarded for making her fair. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:33 am
by dalnilo
Congratulations you did a good job. keep it up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:23 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Great job and I'm with Fuzz no way you'll slack off now lol if you like me it would bug you till you fix it anyway. Fuzz are we sure he is the one that cleaned it up (poke poke) hey since you have a long cycle time can you clean this up for me real quick

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:48 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:23 pm Great job and I'm with Fuzz no way you'll slack off now lol if you like me it would bug you till you fix it anyway. Fuzz are we sure he is the one that cleaned it up (poke poke) hey since you have a long cycle time can you clean this up for me real quick
LOL It was me, The crew is off on fridays. Just management and QC work fridays.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:51 am
by Eric1
Field Day. Getting the work area cleaned up so I can prime and paint. Don't know when I can get the primer on though. Both of my girls start driving school tomorrow so I have to be limo driver.

Picture for Fuzz. :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:18 pm
by Jeff
Great shop Eric, How many square feet? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:28 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:18 pm Great shop Eric, How many square feet? Jeff
Thanks, It's 15,000 .

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:02 pm
by Jeff
Really nice!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:36 pm
by Eric1
Shop pictures

This is a launch rail I made for rockets up to 500 lbs. The C Clamp was for mock up. This shows the front of the shop a little better.
I don't fly much anymore.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:54 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you are now building and deploying ROCKETS in your machine shop?? Again, really nice shop!! Love those CNC machines!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:02 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:54 pm Eric, you are now building and deploying ROCKETS in your machine shop?? Again, really nice shop!! Love those CNC machines!! Jeff
Not since I started building a boat. I took a break from that hobby.

This is my L3 Certification flight.
https://youtu.be/uH9_hXvFRTU

By the way how many coats of primer do you guys use?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:54 pm
by MrPaul
If I worked in your shop I'd never get anything done. You've got too many cool toys there.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:59 pm
by Jeff
Wow, that is a real rocket!!!! Great flight Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:00 pm
by csotelo
Really cool rocket!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:59 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice shop! It's way cleaner than mine :D The rocket is too cool!
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:02 pm
By the way how many coats of primer do you guys use?
It depends.

Scenario 1) If your fairing is perfect, roll on a coat of primer. When the primer is dry to the touch, put on another coat without sanding. At this point, I would let the primer dry completely overnight and lightly sand. Roll on a final coat or two of primer and let it dry. Lightly sand and you are ready for paint. I have alway gave the final coat of primer a week to dry before paint.

Scenario 2) If you are not satisfied with the first prime coat, (pinholes, etc) you may have to do touch up filling and sanding between coats. Let the each coat of primer dry completely before touching up defects with fairing compound. At this point, it takes as many coats as it takes to get happy...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:42 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:59 pm Nice shop! It's way cleaner than mine :D The rocket is too cool!
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:02 pm
By the way how many coats of primer do you guys use?
It depends.

Scenario 1) If your fairing is perfect, roll on a coat of primer. When the primer is dry to the touch, put on another coat without sanding. At this point, I would let the primer dry completely overnight and lightly sand. Roll on a final coat or two of primer and let it dry. Lightly sand and you are ready for paint. I have alway gave the final coat of primer a week to dry before paint.

Scenario 2) If you are not satisfied with the first prime coat, (pinholes, etc) you may have to do touch up filling and sanding between coats. Let the each coat of primer dry completely before touching up defects with fairing compound. At this point, it takes as many coats as it takes to get happy...
Thank You! I was thinking along these lines, but I wanted to run it by you guys on the forum. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You're welcome.
Make sure to clean the boat very well before the first coat of primer and after each round of sanding.
For the first wipe down, I use clean lint free rags with water to remove the dust and finish with denatured alcohol soaked rags.
I'm excited to see your boat in primer :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:39 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:29 pm You're welcome.
Make sure to clean the boat very well before the first coat of primer and after each round of sanding.
For the first wipe down, I use clean lint free rags with water to remove the dust and finish with denatured alcohol soaked rags.
I'm excited to see your boat in primer :D
I'm excited too! After I drop off my girls in the morning, I'm rolling her outside for a wash down with Dawn detergent. I hope to remove any oil from the machine shop. Day of primer I will go with denatured alcohol an hour or so before before rolling. I'm hoping to find paint strainers at Walmart tomorrow. We had a PPG Paint store but it closed down three years ago. I hate that too, they all the supplies you needed to paint cars etc. I may have go for a drive tomorrow and go on the hunt. I'm searching the net for something nearby.

Edit, found one in Greenville, about a 30 minute drive. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:26 am
by Fuzz
So now you are mopping the dang floor :?: You are nuts :!:
Ok so prime till you are happy..............what is the over/under? I am putting my bet on 7 coats. :lol:

Need to talk to the BBC folks. There needs to be two classes of builder threads. One for normal folks and one for the truly over the top nuts :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:11 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:26 am So now you are mopping the dang floor :?: You are nuts :!:
Ok so prime till you are happy..............what is the over/under? I am putting my bet on 7 coats. :lol:

Need to talk to the BBC folks. There needs to be two classes of builder threads. One for normal folks and one for the truly over the top nuts :D
1. In fairness, the floor had not been mopped in two years. :P

2. I know. :lol:

3. Only seven? You under estimate the nature of my condition!! Don't feel bad, So do the Doctors! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:47 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:59 pm
Scenario 1) If your fairing is perfect, roll on a coat of primer. When the primer is dry to the touch, put on another coat without sanding. At this point, I would let the primer dry completely overnight and lightly sand. Roll on a final coat or two of primer and let it dry. Lightly sand and you are ready for paint. I have alway gave the final coat of primer a week to dry before paint.

Scenario 2) If you are not satisfied with the first prime coat, (pinholes, etc) you may have to do touch up filling and sanding between coats. Let the each coat of primer dry completely before touching up defects with fairing compound. At this point, it takes as many coats as it takes to get happy...
Eric, If any builder is going to pull of Scenario 1, it will be you. Good luck!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:35 am
by TomW1
Last chance to check your fairing two coats of primer and then another guide coat!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:41 am
by bateau-webmaster
Wow, Forgot all about the Bad Azz Rocketry thing. I remembered you using an E-mail address with that name for your plans order. That is just plain Awesome. Your shop looks like it has damn near everything! I can hardly imagine the trouble I would get into in a shop like that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:43 am
by Eric1
Thanks Glossieblack, Tom and Jamie!
Yes Jamie, It is easy to get into trouble with the tools on hand. You would not believe some of the things I've been ask to make and modify.
As far as the rocketry thing, I used to monitor where all the website hits came from. You would be surprised to have seen all the hits from Iran,Afghanistan etc. I had messages from people there wanting me to teach them how to make rocket fuel. HE!! NO!

So The guys in the shop helped me roll the boat outside for a wash down.
Here is a picture of Ray Next to the boat.

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From the field behind the shop.

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After washing I found some pin hole on the bottom to fill.

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Both spray rails had pin holes too. I pretty much had to fill the entire port spray rail.
I just did't see these when the boat was inside. Sunlight made all this jump out at me.

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All of that and a bit more has been filled and I'll sand it this afternoon.
I left the boat outside so the quick fair will be cured. I'm picking up the kids at 2:30 so it will be after that.

That's all from this Fairly Mad Boatman. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:58 pm
by Fuzz
Get the hull outside and somebody standing next to it and the size really stands out. The is a big hull you have there :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:13 pm
by Eric1
That's a friend and employee, Ray. He's a bit over 6' tall. So, I have sanded all the places I filled this morning. Right after I rinse it off again a mocking bird flies over the boat and drops a load on it out of my reach, of course. I wait for the water to dry and we get it back in the shop. Ol' Ray says, "I can reach it do you want me to get it off?" I said, Sure. He reaches up, wipes it gently off then brushes the rag quickly sling the bird poop back into my face. :roll: What could I do, That's the worst part of my day. Heck, I had to laugh.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:16 pm
by Fuzz
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:53 am
by Eric1
Rough morning, Up early with a bad headache. Took shower,made coffee took a three sips and fell asleep at the computer. I'm just now headed to the shop to prime the boat. It may only get one coat. The primer say I can go 24 hours between without sanding so I'm holding that option in my trump.
Wish me luck. :|

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:57 am
by Jeff
Eric, send us some photo's after coat 1 today!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:42 am
by Eric1
I feel like I'm moving in slow motion today.
First thing I wiped it down with denatured alcohol. I found one place I dripped quick Fair.
Sanded and wiped it again.
Last pictures of my naked boat.
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I mixed up 20 ounces of primer and went to work. I've used two foam rollers so far.
I change them at the first sign of damage. That batch went this far. Start time was 9:10 am, temp. was 70 degrees.

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So far I've only found three pin holes. The worst is at the crest of a strake. May have to repair it, we'll see after the second coat.
This primer seems to fill and cover the small stuff very well. I thought I'd take a small break and post this, grab coffee and a smoke.
I'm headed back to it..Stay tuned...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:00 pm
by bateau-webmaster
YEAAAH Man! Looks good so far!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:04 pm
by Jeff
Eric, that looks really good!! I think the ST SilverTip Yacht Primer will take care of those pin holes!! Post more photos at the end of the day!! Again, really nice!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:54 pm
by Fuzz
Can't fool us. You could not sleep because wanted to be priming that girl :lol:
Like most girls she is going to look good with some clothes on :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:13 pm That's a friend and employee, Ray. He's a bit over 6' tall. So, I have sanded all the places I filled this morning. Right after I rinse it off again a mocking bird flies over the boat and drops a load on it out of my reach, of course. I wait for the water to dry and we get it back in the shop. Ol' Ray says, "I can reach it do you want me to get it off?" I said, Sure. He reaches up, wipes it gently off then brushes the rag quickly sling the bird poop back into my face. :roll: What could I do, That's the worst part of my day. Heck, I had to laugh.
Put Ray on lookout over the painter with a double barrel 12 gauge. I bet he would enjoy some payback.
Your primer is looking great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:35 pm
by Eric1
Thank You everyone.
Just had a bite. My girls were out driving around with Nanna. They stopped and brought me a chicken sandwich from Chick-Fil-A.
Nanna had some Tylenol and I took a couple, Headache is thumping pretty good.
Any way the next 20 ounces finished the bottom, Transom and first four feet of the first side. Thought I'd take another break and let the Tylenol kick in.

Progress pictures:

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I'm gonna get back on it at 3:00 and go until it's done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Aaahhh, your painting inside. No need to shotgun the birds :lol: Looks really good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:20 pm
by cape_fisherman
Looks like that primer is laying down nice. Good choice on filling in the pinholes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:53 pm
by Eric1
The primer did a great job. The first coat is complete! :D
I'll be back tomorrow to do it again.

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Found a patch I'll have to repair, Don't know how I missed these. :roll:

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Going to pick up Pizza on the way home. It's been a long day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:13 pm
by Fuzz
I am a little surprised to see YOU have some pinholes. Just goes to show how hard it is to see everything until you put a coat of primer on it.
I really like the look of that hull. That is going to be a nice boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:18 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks great!! Tell me what you think of the System Three ST Yacht Primer!! Great job today!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:19 pm
by glossieblack
Congratulations on getting the first coat on. She's looking great. And here's hoping that you're feeling better tomorrow. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:21 pm
by cvincent
Your persistence with fairing has paid off. Your first coat of primer looks great. I have an area with pinholes that looks exactly like yours near my transom that I need to fix.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:24 pm
by TomW1
Looking good Eric another step done. That first coat always seems to bring out a few flaws. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:06 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:13 pm I am a little surprised to see YOU have some pinholes. Just goes to show how hard it is to see everything until you put a coat of primer on it.
I really like the look of that hull. That is going to be a nice boat.
I too was surprised to see a patch of them like this. I've tried to be thorough but these got by me. Thanks for the compliment too! :D
Jeff wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:18 pm Eric, looks great!! Tell me what you think of the System Three ST Yacht Primer!! Great job today!! Jeff

Thank you Jeff. :D
It's easy to work with and covers great. You definitely need to wait 15 minutes after mixing. I tried to go with 10 minute on the third batch and it rolled thin. I guess the time allows for the chemicals to start to cross link. After 15 minutes it is the same all the way through the pot life.
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:19 pm Congratulations on getting the first coat on. She's looking great. And here's hoping that you're feeling better tomorrow. :D
Thank You my Friend! :D
cvincent wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:21 pm Your persistence with fairing has paid off. Your first coat of primer looks great. I have an area with pinholes that looks exactly like yours near my transom that I need to fix.
Thank You Too! :D That's where those are, Right at eye level. :roll:
TomW1 wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:24 pm Looking good Eric another step done. That first coat always seems to bring out a few flaws. :lol:
Thanks Tom. :D Boy does it ever!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:34 am
by Eric1
First thing this morning I shot the projected waterline with a laser level.
My plan is to only put a second coat of primer above this line as I will be doing epoxy graphite on the bottom.
The bottom came out with out any need of repair.
Lesson learned from yesterday, foam rollers are easy to tear on the trim transition. Today I will prime these with a 2" brush before rolling.
More to come.....Oh Yea, Have a great day!......

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:01 am
by glossieblack
Are you feeling better?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:03 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:01 am Are you feeling better?
Yes, Very much so. No headache what so ever!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:09 am
by Eric1
Just finished a 20 ounce batch of primer. I got it all done except the last 11 feet.

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You can see where the second coat overlap the first here.

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Transom.
Sorry for the dark picture. It's raining outside so I didn't roll the back door up for more light.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:23 am
by narfi
Beautiful!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:25 am
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:23 amBeautiful!
Thank You Narfi!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:22 pm
by Fuzz
I see you are ready to shoot the first cat that gets near your wet paint. :lol:

Really liking the looks of your girl in primer. Paint should have her ready for the dance :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:37 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Damn fine job sir! Pinholes aside, she's about as fair as I've seen a boat that size. And the pinholes should fill easy enough.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:42 pm
by Jeff
Eric, really well done!! Hope you are happy with the results!! Also sent you an email with photos of Center Consoles at a liquidation center near us!! Just as an example!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:21 pm
by Eric1
Thank Y'all Fuzz, Jamie and Jeff!!
I'm pretty Happy with the hull after priming. Does it need some touch up?, sure, but not much. :D :D :D

The second coat is complete! YAY!!

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I'm gonna let it rest until Monday. By then the primer should be cured and I can do some fill work with quick fair.

Thanks to every one for helping me get this far!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:32 pm
by pee wee
That looks great! I'm kind of surprised, even recognizing how careful you were being, that you didn't end up seeing about a dozen new places to attend to. What a fine job you did. 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:32 pm
by BB Sig
Like a proud poppa. Congrats! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:20 pm
by Browndog
Looks great! Way to go Eric. All that fairing is paying off now. Keep up the good work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful fairing job Eric :D Congratulations, that is one fine looking boat 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:01 pm
by seaslug
All I can say is that's disgusting! Your primer looks better than most finished paint jobs. We should all chip in and either buy a trophy for the best fairing job in the history of boat building, or find you a good shrink, to possibly cure you of this very serious affliction. Nice job! Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:03 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! I'm honored this boat pleases y'all too.

seaslug wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:01 pm All I can say is that's disgusting! Your primer looks better than most finished paint jobs. We should all chip in and either buy a trophy for the best fairing job in the history of boat building, or find you a good shrink, to possibly cure you of this very serious affliction. Nice job! Mike
Mike, That is very nice of you. As crazy as I am, this boat is my shrink. I can get lost in it and forget about everything while my hands are at work. If I can make the builder's meet I can explain in better detail. Thank again, God Bless.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:14 pm
by Jeff
Eric, sorry I am late but I could not agree more with all of the comments from the builders, really nice work and she looks fantastic!! Hope you have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:20 pm
by Eric1
Thank You my Friend. You too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:03 pm
by seaslug
Eric, I hope you do make the builders meet, seems like a good turn out so far. I completely understand the need sometimes to just get lost in a task like endless sanding, it's kind of therapeutic. I've been in the construction business for over 40 years, and sometimes it's nice to just swing a sledge, or dig, or roll paint. Whatever, just something mind numbing. I actually like the sanding and fairing, but I've only built little toy boats, not a ship like yours. I really miss the boat building process right now, but really can't justify another build at this time. But I am accumulating wood for the next one, and just salvaged some really nice Fir from an old house I'm re-modeling. Can't wait to see the rest of your build. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:31 pm
by TomW1
Eric she is really looking good. But I really wasn't kidding in doing a last guide coat once you have these first two coats of primer on. Especially on the sides. It really depends on how anal you want to be and how smooth you want them to be.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:19 pm
by Eric1
Yea, Mike you totally get it. I look forward to seeing that fir put to good use.

Tom, I will probably do a guide coat prior to sanding. It's worked so far.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:12 am
by topwater
Late to the party , boat looks great all one color :!: Anybody that puts 2 coats of primer on the bottom of the hull before doing
a graphite bottom must be a machinist . Love the pocket dump pic , was that a Ruger :?:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:49 am
by glossieblack
I'm even later. The primer looks great Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:11 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:12 am Late to the party , boat looks great all one color :!: Anybody that puts 2 coats of primer on the bottom of the hull before doing
a graphite bottom must be a machinist . Love the pocket dump pic , was that a Ruger :?:
Thanks . Yes that's my little .380, I keep something handy all the time. Shop has been broke into before so if I'm alone I'm carrying.
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:49 am I'm even later. The primer looks great Eric. :D
Thanks Glossie!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:10 pm
by Eric1
I got a late start morning, just eased into the day. I had to take the trash to the dumpster so I came to the shop around 12:00.
After that I decided to check on the boat. After giving it a walk down with pencil in hand I went to work filling all the little pinholes I found.

All the dark spots are where I filled.

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Found a giouge from sanding at the end of this spray rail.
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Most of what I filled was tiny in nature but two coats of primer didn't fill it so I put quick fair over it.
I realize I could have never seen this prior to primer so I'm not beating myself up over it.

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Well I have to go home and decide which firearm I'll be cleaning tonight when my youngest daughter's date shows up.
It's her first date and I know they boy. They used to play together when he lived across the road from us. Never the less, That was when they were 6, 16 is different. No Quarter!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:20 pm
by bateau-webmaster
If you have a S&W 500 Magnum . . . :p (Careful though, he might be too enthused about it, I know that would have been my favorite growing up. I liked the Desert Eagle back then, but the revolver is much more reliable)

I'd say a shotgun is probably most appropriate.

Like I said with the primer, it really calls attention to all the little details. Much harder to see with all the different textures/patterns from the initial fairing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:04 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:20 pm If you have a S&W 500 Magnum . . . :p (Careful though, he might be too enthused about it, I know that would have been my favorite growing up. I liked the Desert Eagle back then, but the revolver is much more reliable)

I'd say a shotgun is probably most appropriate.

Like I said with the primer, it really calls attention to all the little details. Much harder to see with all the different textures/patterns from the initial fairing.
Think I'll go with this one. :D
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:12 pm
by Jeff
Excellent choice!!! Nothing like being a father to daughters!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:20 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Yeah, that'll do.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:33 pm
by Fuzz
My daughters first date I took the young man aside and asked if she had told him I do not mind going back to prison :D
Daughter teared up and said she would never have any dates. I replied that I would knock it off when she was really old enough to date...............you know anything over 30 :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:51 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:33 pm My daughters first date I took the young man aside and asked if she had told him I do not mind going back to prison :D
Daughter teared up and said she would never have any dates. I replied that I would knock it off when she was really old enough to date...............you know anything over 30 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:48 am
by topwater
Nice , Looks like a Sig 8) Legal now to shoulder that puppy without dealing with the ATF for a SBR permit.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:34 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:48 am Nice , Looks like a Sig 8) Legal now to shoulder that puppy without dealing with the ATF for a SBR permit.
Yes Sir, It's a lot of fun. I have a binary trigger for it but I haven't done the install yet. Sighted about an 1 1/2" high at fifty yards. That gives me a "flat" hold to about 87 yards. That's all a 9mm will do for the most part.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:37 am
by glossieblack
Looking forward to pics of the primer touch ups and the graphite bottom. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:31 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:37 am Looking forward to pics of the primer touch ups and the graphite bottom. :D
Thanks for the motivation Glossie! I was sitting at the house thinking I wouldn't mess with this today but your post got me moving. :lol:

As I had said there were areas I was not happy with. This is on of them. After repairing the fillet from the bad batch I made I proceeded to do a really crappy job of sanding this part of the fillet. I've worked to hard on this to allow anything not to meet my standards. So I refilled the fillet and sanded it out again. This time I am ok with it. Note the PVC pieces, I pulled the fillet with the larger size. Then I sand with a single layer on it. After that I sand with the smaller size. Last I feather the ends with paper wrapped around my index finger. It works pretty well.

Before sanding.

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After.
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Pin hole area before.

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After, Just knocked the highs off. I'll be sanding the entire transom and all above the waterline with 120 to prep for two more coats of primer.
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I started sanding the bottom (1 coat only) to prep for graphite. I'm using a 5" R.O. sander with 120 grit paper. I've also set the R.O. to it's slowest speed.
Then I hand sand the strakes and after I block sand everything with a medium sponge sander. I'm only working a foot or so at a time.

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I'm going to get back on it, I've got to head to the house after while to make a couple of peach cobblers for the family get together tomorrow!
It's always fun, we cook a Frogmore stew, make ice cream and after dark filled the sky with fireworks!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:11 pm
by Fuzz
Frogmore stew :doh: Toads and bullfrogs?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:01 pm
by Jeff
Looks good Eric, enjoy the holiday!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:43 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:11 pm Frogmore stew :doh: Toads and bullfrogs?
:lol:
Boiled Shrimp, Andouille Sausage,potatoes and corn on the cob. We use a Cajun spice for shrimp and crabs.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:09 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:43 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:11 pm Frogmore stew :doh: Toads and bullfrogs?
:lol:
Boiled Shrimp, Andouille Sausage,potatoes and corn on the cob. We use a Cajun spice for shrimp and crabs.
My local post office was "Frogmore SC" before the damn Yankees forced it to be renamed St Helena Island.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:30 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:01 pm Looks good Eric, enjoy the holiday!! Jeff
Thanks buddy, you too!

I got half of the bottom and the left side sanded before 'I left the shop.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:33 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:09 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:43 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:11 pm Frogmore stew :doh: Toads and bullfrogs?
:lol:
Boiled Shrimp, Andouille Sausage,potatoes and corn on the cob. We use a Cajun spice for shrimp and crabs.
My local post office was "Frogmore SC" before the damn Yankees forced it to be renamed St Helena Island.
Best I can remember that's where this boil got it's start. Good ole lowcountry!! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:59 pm
by Jaysen
Yep. Gullah or Geechee stew is another name it goes by here. Especially in those back road local places.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:23 am
by glossieblack
May the graphite force be with you Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:18 am
by BB Sig
I was in a Marine squadron that trained other units in adversarial (communist) tactics. We used to go to Beaufort, SC every year. One of the officers was previously stationed there and had a friendship with a plantation manager. He would come out one afternoon during our two weeks there and bring all the fixings for a Frogmore stew. I would help him clean the crabs and then throw them in. It was a great time. The fresh crabs made a difference to what everyone else calls a low country boil. This guy made it better and I just can't duplicate the memory or the flavors. Something about a group of Marines, great food and beer... :D

Oh yeah, your boat looks good too! :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:59 am
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:18 am I was in a Marine squadron that trained other units in adversarial (communist) tactics. We used to go to Beaufort, SC every year. One of the officers was previously stationed there and had a friendship with a plantation manager. He would come out one afternoon during our two weeks there and bring all the fixings for a Frogmore stew. I would help him clean the crabs and then throw them in. It was a great time. The fresh crabs made a difference to what everyone else calls a low country boil. This guy made it better and I just can't duplicate the memory or the flavors. Something about a group of Marines, great food and beer... :D

Oh yeah, your boat looks good too! :wink:
Great memories Barry! Thanks for sharing that. I know exactly how you feel. There is nothing like the brotherhood of military life, I miss it. I have had the stew with fresh crabs and you are dead right, That's take it to a whole new level! I'm to far from the coast to get them, I've tried adding snow crab to it and it's good too, but, not the same. Happy Forth of July Leatherneck, From this old Salty Squid!! God Bless you and Thanks for stepping up and serving. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:32 pm
by Jaysen
Eric, let me know if you want to arrange a quick shipment of some freshly caught crab. Dry ice and styrofoam will keep them safe for quite a long time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:34 pm
by Jaysen
BB, your boys have been raising heck over on PI just as vigorously as when you were here. I love the morning PT drifting over the water followed by the ranges opening at 6:18am every day. Freedom has a price. Few Americans really get that. I'm privileged to be reminded of that price everyday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:00 pm
by BB Sig
And I remember being at the range and seeing boats thinking how much I wanted to be on one! :lol:

Fond memories of PI but glad that chapter is over.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:30 pm
by csotelo
Hey my friend,

Boat looks really good with primer!

Congrats!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:30 pm Hey my friend,

Boat looks really good with primer!

Congrats!
Thank You Carlos! :D

I sanded the transom and about half of the other bottom side today. I had to stop and go get my haircut.
That curly mop had to go! High and tight now I'm feeling right! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:05 pm
by blueflood
Top notch Eric :D Going great !
Man, your shop. I want one 😥 I was looking for your build in the Builder section of the site.

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:21 pm
by Eric1
blueflood wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:05 pm Top notch Eric :D Going great !
Man, your shop. I want one 😥 I was looking for your build in the Builder section of the site.

Marc
Thank you Marc! It is nice building inside with the AC on. I'm gonna head back in the morning to finish this round of sanding.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:32 am
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm I sanded the transom and about half of the other bottom side today. I had to stop and go get my haircut.
That curly mop had to go! High and tight now I'm feeling right! :lol:
I have found that letting it all fall out works pretty good too 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:47 am
by Aripeka Angler
What??? AC??? That would be fantastic, it was 103' in my shop yesterday at 1800.
Your boat is looking great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:58 am
by BB Sig
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm I sanded the transom and about half of the other bottom side today. I had to stop and go get my haircut.
That curly mop had to go! High and tight now I'm feeling right! :lol:
The boat is looking good but a sailor with a high and tight!? :doh: What did you do in the Navy?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:00 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:32 am
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm I sanded the transom and about half of the other bottom side today. I had to stop and go get my haircut.
That curly mop had to go! High and tight now I'm feeling right! :lol:
I have found that letting it all fall out works pretty good too 8O
I took after my Mom plenty of hair. My brother took after Dad, Pattern baldness.
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:47 am What??? AC??? That would be fantastic, it was 103' in my shop yesterday at 1800.
Your boat is looking great!
Thank You! I feel for you. It gets to 90's in the machine shop with the AC's but we're close this week. No metal being cut means not heat generation from the motors or the cuts!
BB Sig wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:58 am The boat is looking good but a sailor with a high and tight!? :doh: What did you do in the Navy?


Thanks Barry! I was an electronics tech. I went to "A"school with a bunch of Marines in Great Lakes. Spent more time with them than I did the other sailors. Our first instructor was a Gunny, I had nothing but respect for that man. He was smart as a whip and squared away. My first Chief was a slob, no respect for his uniform or person. That was pretty much the course of my tour of duty.
I joined the wrong branch of service to be honest. I did like Sea duty but I never fit in like I did with those Grunts.
Besides all that, I love the haircut. Cool in the summer and quick in the shower. :wink:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:17 pm
by Eric1
I finished sanded the second half of the boat today.
I found a couple of places I needed to fill.

Probably where the air file got out of my hands.
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Filled.
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Spot in spray rail fillet I didn't like.
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Filled.
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After two coats of primer this is my average surface. I'm going to add another two coats and hopefully it will fill the "orange peel. I don't know, There was a tremendous difference from coat one to coat two. I'm wanting to avoid trying to throw quick fair that thin. It just seems to sand off when I try that. What do y'all think?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:46 pm
by dbcrx
Adding more coats won't fill in the orange peel. If anything it will just make it heavier. You should be able to sand the orange peel out, but with only 2 coats on there you risk burning through the primer, adding more coats will give you plenty to work with to then sand it flat again. When rolling or brushing, you're better off putting thin coats on and sanding between each coat. It's a pain in the ass I know, but it's easier to flat off the roller texture from one thin coat. If you do 3 or 4 coats without sanding, the texture will build up and you'll end up sanding 2 of the coats off again to get it flat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:01 pm
by Eric1
dbcrx wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:46 pm Adding more coats won't fill in the orange peel. If anything it will just make it heavier. You should be able to sand the orange peel out, but with only 2 coats on there you risk burning through the primer, adding more coats will give you plenty to work with to then sand it flat again. When rolling or brushing, you're better off putting thin coats on and sanding between each coat. It's a pain in the ass I know, but it's easier to flat off the roller texture from one thin coat. If you do 3 or 4 coats without sanding, the texture will build up and you'll end up sanding 2 of the coats off again to get it flat.
Ok, That makes sense. I'll just do one coat at a time, sand and repeat. This is gonna take a while, stay tuned.. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:18 am
by Eric1
After thinking about the boat last night. I came in this morning and put a guide coat on the primer on a small section.
Light spray of Dykem:

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I put away the RO sander. I've about decided it is useless as tits on a fish for this work. I dressed my blocks with 120 and went to work.
As DBCRX posted it's a PITA, but in the end I think it will be worth it. I'm getting a very slick surface doing this but it is gonna take some time.
To get the orange peel out I have just barely went through the primer in a couple of spots. I plan to work the entire boat and prime it again.
Fellas it's been good to know you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:28 am
by pee wee
That looks like it's going to work, but are you sure you want a flawless mirror finish? :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:34 am
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:28 am That looks like it's going to work, but are you sure you want a flawless mirror finish? :lol:
Kinda wishing I was some one else right now! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:10 pm
by Fuzz
Eric have you been to the Doctor? You seem the have some sort if contagious disease and it is spreading through the web :!: I am pretty darn sure I am immune to it but not sure about some............ others :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:27 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:10 pm Eric have you been to the Doctor? You seem the have some sort if contagious disease and it is spreading through the web :!: I am pretty darn sure I am immune to it but not sure about some............ others :lol:
It is not intentional Fuzz! Madness transference via a boat builders forum? :lol:

Well Fellas, I've taken as many bites out of the elephant as I can handle today. I've been sanding pretty steady and I'm getting hungry.
Gonna head to the house. I may take tomorrow off the build and rest up for next week. I took a couple more pictures for y'all. It's not smooth as glass but I'm very happy with the surface of the primer after block sanding. I made it as far as the blue tape under the chine. The tape on the strake is a reminder to sand a pinhole repair. By the way, Quick Fair does not make a bunch of dust from sanding. PRIMER DOES!!! That crap is EVERYWHERE. :lol:

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A little closer..

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Y'all have a Great Weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dropped off the brown box at UPS.
UPS should be delivering it on Tuesday 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:28 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:18 pm Dropped off the brown box at UPS.
UPS should be delivering it on Tuesday 8)
Thank You !!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:39 pm
by MrPaul
So this is how it is after we finish fairing.....more fairing.

The boat is looking good Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:41 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:39 pm So this is how it is after we finish fairing.....more fairing.

The boat is looking good Eric.
Thanks Paul. :D What did Yogi say?.."It ain't over till it's over".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:44 pm
by MrPaul
I really want that pic-a-nic basket to come quick. :lol: I've been fairing for ages.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:48 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:44 pm I really want that pic-a-nic basket to come quick. :lol: I've been fairing for ages.
Oh Man! You made me chuckle. I was quoting Yogi Berra! :lol:
But a Pic-a-nic basket would be good too!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:37 pm
by Jeff
Gotta love it!!! Good one!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:29 pm
by TomW1
Knew you would end up doing a guide coat. :lol: :lol: It is looking great. Just think when you get it done with 120 and then have to sand with 330 for the final coats, then you are really done with prepping. :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:54 pm
by Eric1
I finished sanding the first side today. I had machine repairmen on the floor all day. Had to rent a larger forklift to get the transmission off the machine. Lifting a $25k gearbox twelve feet in the air at the tip of six foot long forks will tighten your pucker muscle more than you would think. We get to do it again in the morning. Yay :|
Sorry no pictures today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:12 pm
by Fuzz
I can't wait to see what you call "finished sanding" :lol:

At my old job I picked million dollar plus stuff off of a boat a lot. Never thought much of it, it was an oil companies money not mine. It is a whole different deal when it is your nickel on the line. I hope all goes well for you tomorrow. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:39 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:12 pm I can't wait to see what you call "finished sanding" :lol:

At my old job I picked million dollar plus stuff off of a boat a lot. Never thought much of it, it was an oil companies money not mine. It is a whole different deal when it is your nickel on the line. I hope all goes well for you tomorrow. :wink:
Thank for the well wishes. I does wad me up some, the rental lift has a loose clutch and that don't help. 8O
I'll try to get a decent picture tomorrow after the install. It's doesn't convey well in pictures. I' basically taking the primer down to a 120 grit finish. then I'll prime again and sand that down to a 220 grit. I really don't want to go further than that because I'm concerned about paint adhesion. :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:42 pm
by Jaysen
I thought S3 (which I think your using) is no finer than 120. Might be worth checking the application notes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:46 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:42 pm I thought S3 (which I think your using) is no finer than 120. Might be worth checking the application notes.
That's prep for primer. The 220 Is for the EMC topcoat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:21 pm
by Jaysen
Check the EMC surface prep too. I know there was something there that surprised me. Either way that EMC is nice stuff to work with. I have had a peeling issue that is due to improper prep between topcoat layers. I'd also suggest NOT using the reducer. Everything was much better without the reducer.

Good luck.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:01 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:21 pm Check the EMC surface prep too. I know there was something there that surprised me. Either way that EMC is nice stuff to work with. I have had a peeling issue that is due to improper prep between topcoat layers. I'd also suggest NOT using the reducer. Everything was much better without the reducer.

Good luck.
Thanks Jaysen for the heads up. I will double check before I sand down to 220. :)

Fuzz, this is the surface after two coats of primer.
A boat builder on a facebook group said he thought I didn't mix the primer enough. I don't know, I thought about buying a cheap blender to mix the primer for a few minutes to see if it helps. :help:
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This is after block sanding with 120.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:12 am
by glossieblack
Well from here it looks the goods after the 120 block sanding. But I'm not exactly close, and neither is Fuzz!

Seriously though Eric, you're doing a great job. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:14 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:12 am Well from here it looks the goods after the 120 block sanding. But I'm not exactly close, and neither is Fuzz!

Seriously though Eric, you're doing a great job. :D
Thanks Bro, I hope so. I just don't want it to look bad after all the effort.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:28 am
by Jaysen
So... I think you are over thinking this.

The EMC is self leveling. I only sanded to 60 on fairing and didn't even bother on primer. It was rough! I put the EMC on and now anything that I didn't but anit-slip in is too smooth to actually hold. Only areas where I had gouges are unfilled weave/seams show anything like an unsmooth surface. EMC will cover all the small things you are showing. In two coats (that's all I did on the hull sides). Do a small sample. I think you will be surprised and will move into topcoat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:31 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:28 am So... I think you are over thinking this.

The EMC is self leveling. I only sanded to 60 on fairing and didn't even bother on primer. It was rough! I put the EMC on and now anything that I didn't but anit-slip in is too smooth to actually hold. Only areas where I had gouges are unfilled weave/seams show anything like an unsmooth surface. EMC will cover all the small things you are showing. In two coats (that's all I did on the hull sides). Do a small sample. I think you will be surprised and will move into topcoat.
I've actually got a test board made up. Just a primed/sanded piece of ply. There's no glass on it though, I want to see what bare wood would look like.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:36 am
by Jaysen
If you thin it at the rate on the can, you will need at least 5 coats. If you are like me, you do 2 unthinned coats, then a thin coat. DO NOT LET IT CURE COMPLETELY. DO NOT SAND IT. Just put it on "wet on wet" like epoxy. I can't remember who suggested the test to me, but the minute you don't leave a finger print, put the next coat on.

I'm telling you, that sh!t is magic. You can see the "workboat" fairing, but the paint... almost looks like someone smart did it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:18 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:36 am If you thin it at the rate on the can, you will need at least 5 coats. If you are like me, you do 2 unthinned coats, then a thin coat. DO NOT LET IT CURE COMPLETELY. DO NOT SAND IT. Just put it on "wet on wet" like epoxy. I can't remember who suggested the test to me, but the minute you don't leave a finger print, put the next coat on.

I'm telling you, that sh!t is magic. You can see the "workboat" fairing, but the paint... almost looks like someone smart did it.
I believe you but I'm not sure if I can go that route. My paint was mixed for a flat finish. I am supposed to mix 4:1:1 according to EMC.

I have the transom sanded out.

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This shows the surface finish on the primer pretty well.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:26 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:18 am I believe you but I'm not sure if I can go that route. My paint was mixed for a flat finish. I am supposed to mix 4:1:1 according to EMC.
I'm not sure that matters. I think the thinner is "optional" for all the mixes but I've been known to be wrong (mrs points that out all the time). Either way, that EMC really is the cats meow for self leveling. Like the S3 for primer. Just makes all the small stuff vanish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:40 am
by icelikkilinc
I hate the prep work as it requires the most manual labour :lol: :lol:
Good decision to leave the RA if you are after the smooth finish..

Also from my experience, Usually most paints require a little waiting period after truly mixing.
Haven't used the products that you are using but I don't expect them to differ too much.
I used to thoroughly mix, than pass the mix through a filter to a clean container and let sit there couple minutes prior to application.
That was helping a lot on eliminating dirt and air bubbles etc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:46 pm
by dbcrx
What made them think you hadn't mixed it properly? Looks fine to me, unless it's balling up when you sand it?

When you say the topcoat is mixed for a flat finish do you mean matt as apposed to gloss? If so then you will be better off doing thinner coats. Most matt paints don't get the full effect of the matting agent if applied to thick.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:25 pm
by Eric1
dbcrx wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:46 pm What made them think you hadn't mixed it properly? Looks fine to me, unless it's balling up when you sand it?

When you say the topcoat is mixed for a flat finish do you mean matt as apposed to gloss? If so then you will be better off doing thinner coats. Most matt paints don't get the full effect of the matting agent if applied to thick.
Yes, I suppose it's the same. I'm going to follow EMC's instructions on the paint. As for the primer, It's sanding fine. I just thought I'd share what the guy had said. I've have nothing to go by as this is my first build. First time for priming with this product etc.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:11 pm
by Eric1
It's been a week full of headaches. My Machine is still not repaired. I'm being told it will be ready by end of today.
I've been chugging along sanding the primer. I just finished all of it one inch below the waterline. :D

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Tomorrow is boat bath day. Then I'll prime it again and sand it with a finer paper.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:41 pm
by Fuzz
Eric the boat is looking really nice. How fine are you planning on sending it down to?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:00 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:41 pm Eric the boat is looking really nice. How fine are you planning on sending it down to?
I had thought I'd go to 220 but the 120 is pretty slick. I think I'll see what 180 looks like before I get to CrAzY with it. Sorry for the slow response, I've only been home 15 minutes. Machine repair is on going and so far my week has not been great. I'm decompressing tonight with a couple bottles of cold Modelo Negro. If you like dark brew these are really good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:11 pm
by Jeff
You have a good evening Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:24 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:11 pm You have a good evening Eric!!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy, You too! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:38 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Those are pretty good Eric it could be worse we have one the been down 6 week they can't get the drive right lol

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:58 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:38 pm Those are pretty good Eric it could be worse we have one the been down 6 week they can't get the drive right lol
6 weeks! Good grief! 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:22 pm
by Fuzz
Maybe it is my Cloof memory but I thought something around 120-150 was as fine as you should go to get good adhesion. And if YOU think it is pretty slick it must be as smooth as the proverbial babies butt :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:41 am
by topwater
I went to 220 before paint, worked for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:56 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:41 am I went to 220 before paint, worked for me.
Thanks for letting me know! :D

Nothing major to report. I took her outside for another bath. You can see tons of places I broke through primer while sanding it down.
In particular, if you look to the upper right of the lower strake you can see what a hard spot looks like. That the result of sanding over the frame that's underneath the hull. I thought that was interesting.

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The other side.

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Next step...Prime her again!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:21 am
by cape_fisherman
What are you sanding with at this point? What I mean is, how long is your board?

Looking good by the way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:24 am
by Eric1
cape_fisherman wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:21 am What are you sanding with at this point? What I mean is, how long is your board?

Looking good by the way.
I've dropped to a 12" and a 6". I hope to just use the small 6" with 180 and very lightly sand the next coat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:37 am
by cape_fisherman
I hate to even suggest this to you...but in these final stages I would rather see you using a longer board.

22"-24"

The shorter the board, the easier it will be to introduce new issues. At least...that's my theory.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:46 am
by Eric1
cape_fisherman wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:37 am I hate to even suggest this to you...but in these final stages I would rather see you using a longer board.

22"-24"

The shorter the board, the easier it will be to introduce new issues. At least...that's my theory.
I'll give that a go. I'm open to what you guys recommend. I'm learning as best I can. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:17 pm
by pee wee
What about flex, would a flexible board or padded board help at this stage?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:27 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:17 pm What about flex, would a flexible board or padded board help at this stage?
You must be reading my mind. I was thinking of trying the sanding sponges also.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:39 pm
by cape_fisherman
pee wee wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:17 pm What about flex, would a flexible board or padded board help at this stage?
Exactly...but that's what nearly all fairing should be done with...so in my mind it went without saying.

Make you a 2' board with handles...thin wood & stick the paper to it. Put small, single attachment point handles close to either end. Go to war...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:50 pm
by dbcrx
Have to disagree there. I don't like using soft pads for paint prep. I have some and they do get used, but only in very certain circumstances. If you are sanding the primer to still flat out any very slight highs/lows then a soft pad will just follow those and sand a dip back in. Fairing can only be done with a firm block. Flexible, yes, but soft, NO.

The only time I will use soft pads is if I know the surface is perfectly faired and it's a complex, curvy shape that just needs a light sanding to key up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:48 am
by Aripeka Angler
dbcrx wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:50 pm Have to disagree there. I don't like using soft pads for paint prep. I have some and they do get used, but only in very certain circumstances. If you are sanding the primer to still flat out any very slight highs/lows then a soft pad will just follow those and sand a dip back in. Fairing can only be done with a firm block. Flexible, yes, but soft, NO.

The only time I will use soft pads is if I know the surface is perfectly faired and it's a complex, curvy shape that just needs a light sanding to key up.
I agree with with just about everything you say and I know you are a professional painter.
Around the strakes and spray rails you have to use something flexible though.
That's just my opinion for what it's worth.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:10 am
by Eric1
I have to get another coat on. I plan to thin it down as I don't want a high build this time. The one thing I do know it the next round of sanding will be gentle! I have a pretty busy week ahead in the shop so I may not get a great deal done on the boat. Maybe I can at least get the primer on, we'll see.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:23 am
by Jeff
Send me some photos when possible!! Have a good weekend and try to stay out of the heat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:47 am
by Eric1
Round two. I mixed 16 ounces of part A to 4 ounces of part B. Then I thinned it 10% with 1 ounce of 97% Isopropyl alcohol and 1 ounce of water. Start time was 8:45 am, temp was 72 in the shop. I waited 15 minutes and started rolling. Started on this side from bow. Then I did the transom. I changed the roller and went back forward to start the other side. I only made it about halfway when the primer started rolling like crap. It was 11:30 and shop temp was at 80 degrees. I dumped about 4 oz of primer out.

Happy side.

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Not so happy side. Primer was rolling out too thick about halfway down.

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I suspect between thinning it and the increase in temperature caused the shorter work time. No big deal, just hate I wasted it.
I'll finish this off in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:22 pm
by BB Sig
Good to know about the thinning making it go faster. Your getting closer. Keep up the good work! It's looking great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:01 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Yes, your boat is really looking great!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:31 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Barry and Jeff. :D

Just a quick update. I test sanded a couple of places with 180 grit paper. It's going to take a little more work but I could finesse a nice finish from the areas where the primer got nasty with out cutting all the way through the new primer. :D :D :D

Man it feels like crap in the machine shop. I'm thankful I'm not building in the sun though. This is with 32 tons of AC running. The machines generate an unbelievable amount of heat. It's 90 outside and we'll hit 97 by Thursday. Y'all stay hydrated and build early if you are building down south.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 pm
by Eric1
It was nice and cool this morning so I went to work applying the second coat of primer. I finished priming where I had to stop yesterday. I had many places that did not cover well from the thinned primer. I used the extra I had mixed to go back over all that. I think the surface will stay smooth, the primer laid down well this morning.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:59 pm
by cape man
I am curious why you would thin the primer. When I did mine I used a high-build system 3 primer which helped in the fairing before final coat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:02 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:59 pm I am curious why you would thin the primer. When I did mine I used a high-build system 3 primer which helped in the fairing before final coat.
I was trying to keep it from having the orange peel texture I got from the first two coats. I'm not sure if it was necessary. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:18 pm
by Eric1
I started at the transom this morning. I'm taking my time and going slow. It is already hot in the shop.
I switched to the graphite powder for the finer grit papers I'm using.
It details finer than the Dykem.

Application looks like this.

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After sanding with 180 part way. I'm being careful as possible not to cut through but it's still happening in a few places.
After this round of sanding I'll re-prime over these and just feather it in. I'm tired of fighting primer.

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Half of transom is done. I went down to 220 then a light pass at 320.
This is as good as I plan to get this.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:55 pm
by Jeff
Eric, yes, I hope so as it looks fantastic!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:22 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:55 pm Eric, yes, I hope so as it looks fantastic!! Jeff
Thanks My Friend! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by jacquesmm
I like the graphite better than the Dykum whihc is already better than the spray paint.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:35 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:35 pm I like the graphite better than the Dykum whihc is already better than the spray paint.
I very much agree, For the finesse work. I did find the Dykem stood out better before priming though.

I finished what I'm going to sand today. I have the transom sanded.

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From the edge.

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See Y'all later. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:49 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking good Eric. 8) You have to be getting close to "good 'nuff".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:59 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:49 pm Looking good Eric. 8) You have to be getting close to "good 'nuff".
If I could just keep myself from cutting through the primer I would call it done. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:16 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:59 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:49 pm Looking good Eric. 8) You have to be getting close to "good 'nuff".
If I could just keep myself from cutting through the primer I would call it done. :lol:


Ah say the heck with it put on 3 or 4 coats of primer and sand it smooth and call it done with. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:15 am
by Fuzz
Just wondering is primer supposed to shine like top coat :doh: Mine never will and that’s a fact 8O
Eric I just know that thing is going to shine like nobodies business :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:22 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:15 am Just wondering is primer supposed to shine like top coat :doh: Mine never will and that’s a fact 8O
Eric I just know that thing is going to shine like nobodies business :D
Fuzz, It only shines with light from an acute angle. That's just how I'm checking the surface.
I don't know if I'm doing this right or wrong, I'm just doing it as best I can.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:01 am
by Browndog
I had the same problem. When the sanding of the primer seemed to be introducing defects in the surface I put on one final coat of primer and proceeded to the topcoat. Looks like you are at the same stage. Very nice.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:03 am
by Fuzz
Eric my point was your primer looks better than my topcoat :D That thing is going to look way nice :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:03 am Eric my point was your primer looks better than my topcoat :D That thing is going to look way nice :!:
Thank You very much. I did not take it in a negative. :) I was just stating the Facts! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:51 pm
by Eric1
No big news today. I'm still just barely cutting through primer. My resolve is a new plan. Where I have applied this coat of primer (without the section that set up on me) it maintained a nice surface finish. I'm going forward with the rest of this sanding to 180. After that I plan to apply two more coats and pray I can get to 220-320 without issue. I left the boat rather frustrated around noon. I did not take photos. I just had to walk away it was really getting under my skin.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:00 pm
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:51 pm I left the boat rather frustrated around noon. I did not take photos. I just had to walk away it was really getting under my skin.
Yep, that' the time to walk. Before you do something silly. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:05 pm
by cvincent
Eric,

You may want to try a finish primer over the high build. I used the EMC surface primer (not high build) over the top of the system 3 for a smoother finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:16 am
by Eric1
cvincent wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:05 pm Eric,

You may want to try a finish primer over the high build. I used the EMC surface primer (not high build) over the top of the system 3 for a smoother finish.
Advice taken. Surface primer is on the way. Thank You. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:37 pm
by Eric1
Back at it today. We have a cloudy day so the shop is not quite as hot. 72 this morning and it's 80 right now.
Just thought I'd update status. :)

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Next section.

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Side one sanded.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
80 degrees? That's like being in a deep freezer. :lol:
Your primer is looking pretty much perfect to me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:03 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:53 pm 80 degrees? That's like being in a deep freezer. :lol:
Your primer is looking pretty much perfect to me.
It did feel nice! Even though it got to 86. Thanks Richard. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 am
by Jeff
I fully agree with AA, we would take 80 at mid-afternoon in our warehouse/shop and would feel like a cold front just hit Vero Beach!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:31 am
by topwater
Okay i must have missed something , why do you need a surface primer over the high build ?
I am with Richard on this one i think it looks great. Is there some problem with the primer ?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:37 am
by Marshall Moser
EMC Quantum High Solids Repairable Marine Finish System Selection Guide:
http://boatbuildercentral.com/help/qguide.pdf

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:19 am
by cvincent
When I applied the system 3 primer I was able to obtain a very nice finish, but had a very fine orange peel. It may have been ok as it was but I applied the EMC surface primer over the system 3 to eliminate the orange peel before the application of the topcoat. I used these products when painting my D15 skiff. This is system that I used and it worked to my satisfaction.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:27 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:31 am Okay i must have missed something , why do you need a surface primer over the high build ?
I am with Richard on this one i think it looks great. Is there some problem with the primer ?
Thank You Topwater.:)
No issue with the high build, it's doing what it is suppose to do. I'm getting a real nice finish.
The thing is to get there I have cut through in many places. To cover these without having to have as heavy a build
I'm going to surface primer. I have discussed this with Jamie and Robin at EMC.

Jamie thinks I would be fine going on to topcoat. I suspect he's is most likely correct.
That said, I don't want to risk the paint coming off the boat a year from now. Though I think that is less than a 1% chance of happening.
Robin at EMC has advised me that if this were her boat she would go to surface primer as well.

I simply weighed the pros and cons.

Pro's:
1. I'll get a more even color from top coat.
2. I reduce the chance of paint adhesion issues. Same primer from topcoat manufacturer.
3. Reduce the chance of losing my finish from a heavy build of primer.

Con's:
1. Additional cost. (some what negated as this will last over several builds)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:31 am
by Eric1
cvincent wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:19 am When I applied the system 3 primer I was able to obtain a very nice finish, but had a very fine orange peel. It may have been ok as it was but I applied the EMC surface primer over the system 3 to eliminate the orange peel before the application of the topcoat. I used these products when painting my D15 skiff. This is system that I used and it worked to my satisfaction.
It was your post that started me down this path. I think it will work as well for me! :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:35 am
by topwater
Okay i get it now. I guess i'm not that anal 8) When my boat looked like that i went right to paint.
Not the best paint job but it looked good to me. Build on :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:38 pm
by Fuzz
topwater wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:35 am Okay i get it now. I guess i'm not that anal 8) When my boat looked like that i went right to paint.
Not the best paint job but it looked good to me. Build on :!:
Topwater your paint job might not be the best :?: but I am not sure how it could have looked any better than it does :doh:
Your boat does not need to take a back seat to anything I have seen.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:17 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:38 pm
topwater wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:35 am Okay i get it now. I guess i'm not that anal 8) When my boat looked like that i went right to paint.
Not the best paint job but it looked good to me. Build on :!:
Topwater your paint job might not be the best :?: but I am not sure how it could have looked any better than it does :doh:
Your boat does not need to take a back seat to anything I have seen.
I have to agree with this. Topwater, That boat is beautiful. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:54 pm
by Eric1
I'mmmm still sanding after all this time...Sing to Elton John's "I'm still standing".

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:22 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric!!! Really nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:40 pm
by TomW1
Eric that boat is going to be the most sanded and faired of any that has been built here. Can't wait to see it when finished.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:56 am
by topwater
I am pretty sure if you weighed the sanding dust at this point it would weigh more than the boat :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:00 pm
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:56 am I am pretty sure if you weighed the sanding dust at this point it would weigh more than the boat :lol:
That's funny stuff! :lol:

I finished sanding the second side. I decided to block sand the bottom with 120 to prep for epoxy/graphite.
I was not really happy with the job the RO sander did. It may not matter for what's going there but I want to start smooth.
The surface primer came in this morning. I plan to have a coat of that on friday. I plan to test it on the transom first.

Back on bottom.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:49 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I am pretty sure you know the church hymn "there’s a great day coming" That is what came to my mind when I saw you talking about putting the graphite to the bottom. Funny how the mind works :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:21 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:49 pm Eric I am pretty sure you know the church hymn "there’s a great day coming" That is what came to my mind when I saw you talking about putting the graphite to the bottom. Funny how the mind works :lol:
AMEN! :lol:

I had to stop just now. I got nauseous twice to the point of dang near losing lunch.
I'm calling that the end of the day. I'm almost finished with the first bottom side.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:24 pm
by TomW1
Hey Eric looking good. Keep it up guy and you'll be ready to flip in a short time. Don't forget the graphite coat will float the way you apply it, so roll and tip it carefully. You sure don't want to sand that black mess. Take care and good finishing.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:09 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:24 pm Hey Eric looking good. Keep it up guy and you'll be ready to flip in a short time. Don't forget the graphite coat will float the way you apply it, so roll and tip it carefully. You sure don't want to sand that black mess. Take care and good finishing.

Tom
Thank you Tom! :D

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the graphite coat though. What do you mean by it floating the way it is applied? :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:08 am
by topwater
I don't know if i would tip epoxy graphite but i would run a good heat gun over it to get it to flow out alittle.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:17 am
by Jaysen
topwater wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:08 am I don't know if i would tip epoxy graphite but i would run a good heat gun over it to get it to flow out alittle.
I attempted to tip my graphite. I'll never tip anything again.

Use the CL method for graphite. Even I got mirrors from that. Hot day, hot shop, small batches. The only change I had to make was putting the graphite into the mixed epoxy instead of the other way around.

Although, I'm wondering if anything will stick to your mirror polished primer ;) (that's a joke).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:39 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:08 am I don't know if i would tip epoxy graphite but i would run a good heat gun over it to get it to flow out alittle.
Definitely part of the plan and heck no to tipping it. :)
Jaysen wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:17 am
I attempted to tip my graphite. I'll never tip anything again.

Use the CL method for graphite. Even I got mirrors from that. Hot day, hot shop, small batches. The only change I had to make was putting the graphite into the mixed epoxy instead of the other way around.

Although, I'm wondering if anything will stick to your mirror polished primer ;) (that's a joke).
:lol: What batch size did you run? One of my concerns is blending from batch to batch. I have a lot of surface to cover and that does concern me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:36 am
by jacquesmm
I do not mix the graphite in the fairing compound. I apply a light dust of graphite with a rag.
I am certain that mixing it will work but my method is used by all auto body shops and is easier.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:48 am
by Jaysen
My v12 took 2 3oz batches per layer. And that was too thick in each layer. My reason for 3oz was that I could get it out of the cup and on the hull fast enough. You MUST pre measure all your batches in separate cups (3 -- hardener in A, resin in B and graphite in C) and get it hot. Doing it again, I would use a heat gun or space heater to keep the pre measured stuff warm. My "quick mix" was
1. use one stick.
2. Stir hardener with stick (cup A)
3. Stir resin with same stick (cup B)
4. Scrape hardener into resin (cup A into B)
5. Stir about 10 times then start slowly adding graphite to resin (cup C into B)
6. WALK TO HULL WHILE STIrRING (cup B)
7. Pour onto hull in thin "zig zag".
8. Roll it out.

By the time I finished layer one, I could have started layer two, but I didn't. I changed roller after every layer. I "pre filled" roller with SLOW mixed epoxy to minimize soaking up graphite (mix 3oz/4" of roller and roll straight slow onto scrap ply)(also why I hesitated to go straight for second layer after first layer). My experience tells me that you for your c21 you will want three rollers ready to load and go as the roller will kick eventually. Better to have a spare frame with a cover and some pre measured straight ready to preload it than have your roller ruin the graphite.

I didn't need a heat gun but you may want one to smooth the seams between mixed patches. Small and fast seems to reduce that border line. Others used the gun to reduce bubbles. If I had any I didn't care or notice or both. The graphite is the ONLY finish work I was happy with.

And to reiterate a point CL made DO NOT try to dry sand it. I wouldn't bother sanding it at all, but you are ... you. Sand wet. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:26 am
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:36 am I do not mix the graphite in the fairing compound. I apply a light dust of graphite with a rag.
I am certain that mixing it will work but my method is used by all auto body shops and is easier.
Jacques, I was referring to the epoxy graphite mix for the bottom. Not for fairing. Thanks for looking out for me. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:57 am
by jacquesmm
Oops, sorry. I was reading a post about fairing at the same time.
Yes, the Cracker Larry method for graphite bottoms is the way to go, the only way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:51 pm
by Eric1
Well I finished sanding the primer on the bottom. As I moved the work light, the primer revealed a Butt load of pin holes.
Would epoxy and graphite cover these? Maybe, but I don't want to chance them becoming fish eyes in the graphite.
Going to go mix a small batch of Quick Fair. This will come to a close at some point. :P

Filled.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:07 pm
by MrPaul
Yours is looking great! Sure hope mine comes to a close soon. I want to start building again.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:22 pm
by TomW1
Eric pinholes will be filled by the graphite coating. Your going to be putting 3-4 coats on with a 25-33% ratio

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:29 pm
by Jaysen
Tom, what do you think of 5? I'm finding 3 isn't holding up well. Granted I'm bashing on concrete and shells. The sand isn't helping either.

Eric, what topcoat are you using? I k ow you've mentioned it but I can't recall.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:48 pm
by cape_fisherman
You're doing right by filling the pin holes. There is a certain satisfaction to going the extra mile.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:06 am
by Fuzz
Heck Eric at this point even I am rooting for you to take the time to make it perfect :D
But that in no way means I am not looking forward to seeing some paint on this girl. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:30 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:29 pm Tom, what do you think of 5? I'm finding 3 isn't holding up well. Granted I'm bashing on concrete and shells. The sand isn't helping either.

Eric, what topcoat are you using? I k ow you've mentioned it but I can't recall.
EMC Haze Gray.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:09 am
by BB Sig
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:30 am
EMC Haze Gray.
Did you spend too much time sanding primer and it stuck that the boat its now supposed to be gray?! :wink:

I am amazed at your patience and diligence on this build!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:16 am
by Jaysen
That EMC covers a LOT of sins. It filled all but the biggest pin holes for me. Getting them now will make that EMC a dream finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:18 am
by Browndog
Looking good and getting real close now. Keep it up!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:15 am
by topwater
I am pretty sure that's the color of my boat 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:04 am
by Eric1
Thanks every one. Barry that's funny stuff!
No, Actually when I chose the C21 it reminded me of the Veitnam era river boats. I always liked the look of them. I think of my Dad when I see them and all the stories he told me. These were Tough small craft!

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I had to push myself this morning. My lower back is sore and I am having another go with my annual infection flaring up. :x
I sanded all the pin holes I had filled. Also went over entire bottom again with 120 and a kiss with a 220 block.
Just rolled her back inside from another wash down. It's only 72 this morning but the humidity is hanging like a cloud.
I'm too tired to start messing with primer so it can hang.

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I really appreciate all the encouragement you guys give me. It helps me stay at it! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:08 am
by BB Sig
Take care of yourself! Sometimes we all need a break. :wink:

Let us know when we can start mounting this:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:16 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Those Vietnam River boats were MEAN Machines!!!! Your boat is really looking "Slick"!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:45 am
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

The boat is looking really good! You are doing an amazing job!

Congrats,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:07 am
by Eric1
I started with a trip to Lowes. They mixed the EMC Surface primer for me. Just to check it, I also mixed it with a rotary mixer.
I combined a total of 8 ounces. This is a very different animal than the S3 Primer. It has a very profound smell. If you use the EMC make sure you are in a WELL ventilated space! Also, You have a 30-45 second window of roll time. After that it gets very sticky and will pull at the roller. I try to slightly over lap when I roll to level out from the previous rolled area. The EMC does not like that at all. I don't know if I will continue to use it. I'll decide after it dries and I see what I have to work with. I think the EMC primer is probably best sprayed. :doh:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:13 am
by topwater
I did use a gallon of EMC high build primer to finish the inside of the hull and pilot house on my build.
I didn't notice any of the problems that you mentioned so it must be a different animal than the surface
primer. I also didn't like it as much as the S3 high build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:20 am
by Aripeka Angler
I have not used the EMC primer but I have used a bunch of their paint.
I use a 3M cartridge type respirator with the stuff, it smells horrible.
Which roller cover did you use?
Looking forward to seeing what the primer looks like when it dries :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:30 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:20 am I have not used the EMC primer but I have used a bunch of their paint.
I use a 3M cartridge type respirator with the stuff, it smells horrible.
Which roller cover did you use?
Looking forward to seeing what the primer looks like when it dries :)
4" hard foam roller.
I just got off the phone with Robin at EMC. She says it should not act that way.
She's going to talk with some one there and call me back.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:32 am
by Aripeka Angler
I'm very interested to hear what she says...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:43 am
by Jeff
Yes Eric, let us know what Robin says about the EMC Primer!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:51 pm
by Eric1
Status update. Five hours have past since I applied the primer. I should be able to sand after four according to instructions. Primer feels to have a rubbery touch. It's hard to cut with 220 paper. I'm not getting balls or prills from sanding but the powder is cake loading the paper. I'm going to wait until morning before going any further.
Robin at EMC has been informed of the situation. She still has not heard back from her chemist.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:03 pm
by cvincent
Eric,

Sorry you are having problems with the primer. Do you have the reducer? If the primer is going on too thick, try reducing the primer. I used the reducer for both the primer and paint to thin which allowed better flow out. Its hard to say what to do without laying eyes on the finish you are getting. Let the primer dry and try sanding, you may find the results are acceptable.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:04 pm
by Eric1
I just had another conversation with Robin at EMC. In a nut shell she is going to replace the product for me!! :D
She is going to check with the chemist to see if he wants the old product in return for testing. I told her I'd ship it if that's the case.
It is so nice to work with a company that offers technical help and expertise on the phone!
Not only that, but the fact I'm seeing this level of support really blows me away. It's almost unheard of in today's world.
KUDOS to Miss Robin and EMC!!! :D :D :D

I also want to thank Jeff at Boat Builders Central. I know he has also been in touch with her trying to figure out what's going on with the primer.
I think I've been on the phone with him about a half dozen times today and he's been nothing but patient and helpful trying to get this resolved!!
Great job Jeff!! :D :D :D

I don't know how many more boats I'll build but I dang sure know where I'll get my supplies!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:11 am
by BB Sig
8) Great outcome from a bad experience!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:08 am
by Jeff
Eric, thank you for the kind comments!! Regarding EMC and Robin at EMC, they are really good people to work with and always there to help you, even over the phone. Still nice to get a voice rather than have to search through a website for help!! Let me know when the new stuff arrives!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:09 am
by Jeff
Eric, thank you for the kind comments!! Regarding EMC and Robin at EMC, they are really good people to work with and always there to help you, even over the phone. Still nice to get a voice rather than have to search through a website for help!! Let me know when the new stuff arrives!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:58 pm
by Eric1
Spent the better part of the day sanding the primer from yesterday. It still is not done. It's been very tough to sand although it did harden more overnight. Now the transom is two colors, gray from the S3 primer and white from the EMC. :lol:
So far everything is staying covered and that's all I care about for now.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:07 pm
by Jeff
You are almost there Eric!! I spoke with Robin (EMC) and told her to go to the forum to see your comments!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:24 pm
by cape_fisherman
Have you considered spraying...or are you stuck on rolling?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:56 am
by Eric1
cape_fisherman wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:24 pm Have you considered spraying...or are you stuck on rolling?
I wish I could spray but I have nowhere to do it. Rolling will have to do.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:19 am
by glossieblack
Given your persistence, her paint job will turn out great. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:40 am
by Noles309
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:07 am I started with a trip to Lowes. They mixed the EMC Surface primer for me. Just to check it
Did Lowes just shake it for you or did you trust them to add the reducer/catalyst? If you relied on them to really mix the primer for you that may be your answer. Just asking because it really wasn't clear to me. I took kiwi grip there to be tinted and they looked at me like I had two heads. They have absolutely no experience in dealing with automotive or marine type coatings.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:47 am
by Eric1
Noles309 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:40 am
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:07 am I started with a trip to Lowes. They mixed the EMC Surface primer for me. Just to check it
Did Lowes just shake it for you or did you trust them to add the reducer/catalyst? If you relied on them to really mix the primer for you that may be your answer. Just asking because it really wasn't clear to me. I took kiwi grip there to be tinted and they looked at me like I had two heads. They have absolutely no experience in dealing with automotive or marine type coatings.
All Lowes did was shake the product. I also mixed it with a stir mixer. No reducer was added.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:32 pm
by Eric1
Well, As promised Robin got new primer, activator and reducer to me today.
I'm waiting on a respirator and filters to come in. The chemicals made my head a little swimmy after I did the transom.
Yesterday evening after sanding this stuff I was wheezy and not breathing well. I looked everywhere this morning but could not find my old respirator so waiting on Amazon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:06 pm
by Fuzz
Good move getting a respirator. Male sure you have the right cartridge for what you are working with. When doing heavy sanding/grinding I like to use a full face respirator. It sure seems to me like a lot of the paint products are nasty to work with. And to make it worse I think the better the paint the more nasty it is to work with. Be interesting to hear what others think.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:01 pm
by TomW1
I agree with Fuzz make sure you have the right cartridge or you may as well not be using the respirator.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:29 pm
by cvincent
I use a couple of box fans upwind to suck the fumes away from the boat and out my garage door. The fans are not explosion proof, but so far so good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:48 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm guessing you bought a 3m mask or something similar.
You want a OV or VOC cartridge. I have the cartridge product model numbers for 3m at the shop.
If you need them, give me a holler.
Good to hear that EMC is taking care of you 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:50 pm
by Eric1
Thank guys. It was a 3M full face model. I read the chemical list to the 3M rep on the phone. She told me what to order.
Shop duties have me pulled away from the build for now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:48 am
by blueflood
Hi Eric,

Full face respirator is the way to go, plus you will need it for the Monstaliner :wink: I should have done my research and bought one of those as well :oops: :roll:

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:52 am
by Eric1
Good Morning, The respirator performed well. I'm not dizzy after using the EMC primer. :)
Test number two. I mixed four ounces. Put on respirator and rolled it over the bare spots.
This time the primer didn't smell like a dead animal fell in it. It was still very sticky after a minute.
Perhaps the MEK or what ever chemical ate through the solo cup is attacking the roller, I don't know. :roll:
I think this primer is best suited for a spray set up, which I'm not going to do. I covered the places I think could cause issues with top coat.
I've had enough of this. After I sand this I'm calling the primer work done.
I'll move forward and put the epoxy graphite on the bottom. If the paint doesn't stick to the primed surface then I'll haul this out back and strike a freaking match. :wink:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:01 am
by Fuzz
Not to worry she would look good with just primer. Sort of the PBR look like you showed earlier :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:02 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:01 am Not to worry she would look good with just primer. Sort of the PBR look like you showed earlier :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:02 am
by Jaysen
That boat will turn heads. You'll have a hard time getting her in and out of the water. You'll be mobbed with drooling on lookers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:54 pm
by topwater
you should have no problems it looks much nicer than mine did when i painted it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:09 pm
by blueflood
Hi Eric,
:lol: strike a match ? Bro, so many times that crossed my head :lol: Looking great.

Why not S3 High Build ? Water based and zippo fumes.
Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:44 pm
by Eric1
blueflood wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:09 pm Hi Eric,
:lol: strike a match ? Bro, so many times that crossed my head :lol: Looking great.

Why not S3 High Build ? Water based and zippo fumes.
Marc
I thought by using surface primer I could lighty sand over the trouble spots as it would not build as heavy. This EMC stuff orange peels worse than S3. Next time I will only use the S3. I just prefer it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:00 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:52 am I've had enough of this. After I sand this I'm calling the primer work done. I'll move forward and put the epoxy graphite on the bottom.
Good call. 8) :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:13 am
by Jeff
Eric, I know it was quite an excercise for you but your experience might help other builders make a good, informed decision on which Primer to use!! Have a good Sunday!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:15 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone for the kind words and interest. :D
After a long business meeting I decided to sand the places I had applied the surface primer. It sanded well without the fumes/odor of the first stuff.
Never the less, I'll stick with S3 primer from now on. Below is a picture of what I'm calling good enough.

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I have a pump to install on a machine in the morning.
Once that's done I have a setup on the same machine, medical buckles for lifting large people in the hospitals.
Then, I have three programs to edit for a PITA small run of parts on a lathe. That customer decided to go backwards after 3 years of success with the design changes I made to save him money. It's his pocket that it will crunch, so be it.
Then, maybe, just maybe, I can find a window between thunderstorms to wash the boat again. We have rain forecast all week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:23 pm
by narfi
That is God begging you to help out with the washing :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:26 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:23 pm That is God begging you to help out with the washing :P
:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:10 pm
by glossieblack
Eric, well done in persisting and getting the primer result to your high standards. Now wash that baby then give her a slap of black on the bottom. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:36 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:10 pm Eric, well done in persisting and getting the primer result to your high standards. Now wash that baby then give her a slap of black on the bottom. :D
Thank You Glossie.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:14 pm
by TomW1
Eric glad things turned out for you in the end. Go get her with the graqhite.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:21 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:14 pm Eric glad things turned out for you in the end. Go get her with the graqhite.

Tom
Thank You Tom! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:37 pm
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:15 pm Thanks Everyone for the kind words and interest. :D
After a long business meeting I decided to sand the places I had applied the surface primer. It sanded well without the fumes/odor of the first stuff.
Never the less, I'll stick with S3 primer from now on. Below is a picture of what I'm calling good enough.

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I have a pump to install on a machine in the morning.
Once that's done I have a setup on the same machine, medical buckles for lifting large people in the hospitals.
Then, I have three programs to edit for a PITA small run of parts on a lathe. That customer decided to go backwards after 3 years of success with the design changes I made to save him money. It's his pocket that it will crunch, so be it.
Then, maybe, just maybe, I can find a window between thunderstorms to wash the boat again. We have rain forecast all week.
8O 8O 8O 8O I've been away for a while due to a bad accident on work, I got a shoulder dislocated, three ribs broken and six points on my head but thanks God I'm still around, and man.. what a nice work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:04 pm
by Eric1
danieloldhouse wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:37 pm 8O 8O 8O 8O I've been away for a while due to a bad accident on work, I got a shoulder dislocated, three ribs broken and six points on my head but thanks God I'm still around, and man.. what a nice work!
My goodness! I'm glad you are still with us!! I pray you will heal quickly.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:44 pm
by Fuzz
SO......................where is this black bottom :?: Waiting................waiting..........waiting :lol: :lol:
Do not tell me that nasty old thing called work is getting in the way of what is important :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:51 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:44 pm SO......................where is this black bottom :?: Waiting................waiting..........waiting :lol: :lol:
Do not tell me that nasty old thing called work is getting in the way of what is important :help:
I got the work knocked out yesterday, now it's weather. Best chance to wash her will be today! I am concerned about the cool temps though. Cracker Larry said this needs to be done on a hot day. I don't know how well it will go in the mid 70's. Plus I hope to line up a helper to mix epoxy while I lay it down.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:28 am
by Jaysen
Use something to warm up the resin. CL suggested the hot day to facilitate viscosity of the epoxy. You need it runny.

Because you are not me or fuzz don't forget:
1. Have spare roller frames with high end rollers ready to go.
2. have a heat gun ready to nuke air bubbles.
3. SIFT THE GRAPHITE
4. Do not use the very end of the cup. If you have lumps that's where they live and you will go nuts trying to remove them once they are on the hull.
5. Since you seem to love sanding, do NOT dry sand that stuff. You really need to wet sand it.
6. Use many THIN COATS instead of a few medium coats. You will be much happier with the result.
7. Don't forget the stagger your tape lines and remove tape after the epoxy sets a bit.

With a hull that size you can probably just go from coat to coat with no real pause. Tape, start at on end working toward other, pull tape, retape, start at end and work toward other, pull tape, repeat. Set aside a number of hours.

Make sure you have some small batches of straight ready to mix to preload the roller when you have to switch frames. That will save you from wasting the graphite mix.

I'm sure you'll knock this out making it look like a mirror. Can't wait to see it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:19 am
by Jeff
Eric, how much has it cooled off up there? Still really hot here in FL!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:37 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:19 am Eric, how much has it cooled off up there? Still really hot here in FL!! Jeff
High today is only suppose to be 78. Current is 68, cloudy slight breeze.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:42 am
by Jeff
Wow, big change for you!!! Still VERY hot here in Florida!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:53 pm
by Eric1
I'm prepping for epoxy graphite coating on the bottom. This line is at a 10" waterline. I'll move it down a half inch at a time until I get to 11 inches. Planning 3 coats of EG.

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I had to razor trim the frog tape on the spray rail. It did not want to follow the curve.

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Next up I wrapped shrink wrap from top edge to the bottom over lapping it to keep any drip off my primer.
I used more frog tape from waterline to shrink wrap.

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Best I could do. Holding the line over the spray rails is dang near impossible.

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I used poly coated paper on the transom. I don't know why.

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Before I start putting the graphite on the bottom I'm going to do a test board using different rollers to see what I think does best.
I have a 3/8" nap roller, a 1/4" nap roller and foam. I also want to see if tipping will bring anything to the picture.
I'll get this set up this afternoon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:02 pm
by Jeff
Eric, as usual, first class prep work!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:02 pm
by BB Sig
Looking good! I'm looking forward to your test results.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:05 pm
by Jaysen
Foam. No tip. You don't have much working time. Tipping will leave you with rough streaks.

I'd seriously consider more than three coats. While the graphite is hard it does take a beating. Especially in the impact/rub areas. When I get to the point of redoing Lil Bit I'm going to shoot for at least 6. I'm hoping that will last a bit longer.

That looks like some awesome prep. You will appreciate that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:13 pm
by Eric1
Ok, Test board set up at an angle to match (close) the hull. This is to evaluate leveling and runs.

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Here are the rollers I will be testing. The cheap brush is to test tipping.

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I appreciate all the advice on this but I have to see for myself. :D
See y'all in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:53 pm
by Jeff
I look forward to your test!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:06 pm
by Jaysen
Eric, I used the 4" foam rollers. I had no issues with the foam, but they are too narrow. You wind up with overlap ridges if you apply to thick. Also, with the quick kick of hot epoxy, you go through them a lot faster than a wide roller. Ideally I'd use a 12" foam roller presoaked in 6oz cold slow, then use that to apply 12oz batches of hot medium/fast. I'd do the "pour it in the hull" trick with the pour lines running bow to transom at the keel. I'd then roll from keel to side spreading the graphite out.

I'll still suggest many, very thin coats. That will reduce the roller overlap thickness, increase overall thickness of the coating and I believe it will result in a smoother finish (no sanding till third coat which is when it will really start to cover).

I'm also anxious to see how your testing turns out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:36 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:06 pm Eric, I used the 4" foam rollers. I had no issues with the foam, but they are too narrow. You wind up with overlap ridges if you apply to thick. Also, with the quick kick of hot epoxy, you go through them a lot faster than a wide roller. Ideally I'd use a 12" foam roller presoaked in 6oz cold slow, then use that to apply 12oz batches of hot medium/fast. I'd do the "pour it in the hull" trick with the pour lines running bow to transom at the keel. I'd then roll from keel to side spreading the graphite out.

I'll still suggest many, very thin coats. That will reduce the roller overlap thickness, increase overall thickness of the coating and I believe it will result in a smoother finish (no sanding till third coat which is when it will really start to cover).

I'm also anxious to see how your testing turns out.
I agree with the thin coat execution. I was thinking transom forward, keel to chine. Not sure about the hardener though. If temps stay like this I would go with medium. Once we get back to normal I would say slow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:31 pm
by Jaysen
I tried slow. It was just as fast to kick as fast once you heated it up to make it runny. But it took for ever to get from "unable to be spread' to "ready for next coat". I think the temp was in the mid 80s when I did it. The magic formula I finally hit was preloading the foam roller with slow to make it last longer and helping reduce the impact of the quick kick.

Just remember ... WET SAND ... you don't want to dry sand that stuff.

I bet you you can't "not sand" it. I dare you to try.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 pm
by MrPaul
Jaysen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:31 pm I bet you you can't "not sand" it. I dare you to try.
Eric might get the jitters if there's no opportunity to sand :lol:

Either way the boat is looking good and I'm sure the graphite will come out great. Looks like all the hard work and attention to detail is paying off nicely.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:07 am
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 pm
Jaysen wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:31 pm I bet you you can't "not sand" it. I dare you to try.
Eric might get the jitters if there's no opportunity to sand :lol:

Either way the boat is looking good and I'm sure the graphite will come out great. Looks like all the hard work and attention to detail is paying off nicely.
You guys crack me up! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:41 am
by topwater
I am with Jaysen on this, it will be all you can do to walk away from the boat after you finish the graphite .
I bet you end up wet sanding it :wink: Remember put the sanding block down and slowly back away from the boat :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:12 am
by Eric1
I just finished the roller test with the epoxy graphite.
In an effort to eliminate any lumps I prepped the graphite in a coffee mill first.
Then I filtered it through a sieve. I used an 80 mesh (180 micron/.007" inch) to insure there was no foreign crap in my graphite.
The kitchen strainer Cracker Larry use is not fine enough in my opinion. If you wish to use what I did they can be purchased here:

https://www.mcmaster.com/#sieves/=18vo9dk

Next I made a stainless steel stir mixer to incorporate the powder into the epoxy. I really don't intend to heat up the epoxy to get the graphite to blend.
This does induce a tiny amount of air but the design keeps that to a minimum.

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I proceeded to mix two 6 ounce batches of Marine epoxy and slow hardener. Shop temp was 70 degrees.
I used the first batch to pre-load the rollers with out any graphite. Jaysen suggested it and I agree with the logic.
The second batch was hand stirred for one minute to blend the epoxy. then the graphite was added and hand mixed until it was wet.
Then I drill mixed it for another minute or so. It was emulsified perfectly. I poured straight from the cup from top to bottom and side to side.

Each surface was done one at a time.
I started with the 3/8" nap Purdy roller from Lowes. It loaded well and it covered quickly and evenly with minimum fiber release.

Next was the 4" 1/4" red Corona nap roller from Boat Builder Central. This roller is designed for applying epoxy over fiberglass cloth. It rolled well with firm pressure but it tended to apply the epoxy to thin for my liking. I believe it will be great for pushing epoxy into fiberglass cloth but the nap is to short to perform in this.

Next up was the 7" 3/8" nap Corona roller from BBC. It perform very similar to the 9" Purdy roller. The nap seems a bit thicker than the Purdy and thus it soaked up more epoxy. It seemed to leave a tiny bit more fiber in the epoxy but I would not hesitate to use these.

Last was the 4" epoxy foam roller from BBC. It did as expected. At first it tends not to roll and just pushes the epoxy until you have moved the epoxy around enough to thin it on the work surface. If you use these you must apply a very small amount of epoxy if you expect it to actually roll. Now, that said, it seemed to produce the best surface finish at the time of rolling. The key is to very lightly roll with it. Think of it as almost tipping with a roller.

Last, I tipped the lower half of all the test panel with a cheap brush. In my opinion it is a waste of time. Though it did induce light streaks they quickly leveled out. As always when tipping an incline you must tip horizontally. If you tip vertically those streaks will not lay down and will tend to produce runs. The only place I will tip is on the strakes and bottom of the spray rail. When I applied primer with the foam roller on those surfaces it induced air bubbles.

Here are the resulting panels. This was on bare wood. It sucked epoxy into the grain so keep that in mind when seeing the unevenness of the results.

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Final thoughts, I will most likely go with Purdy rollers because of the quick coverage. Followed up with a foam roller. I think a finely notched
spreader would be ideal to spread this out and then roll with foam. I would have to make one and I'm not going to invest the time to tune the spreader for this. I hope this has helped any one who had the same questions I did.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:15 pm
by Jaysen
Eric, warming the epoxy is not to mix it but to thin it for easier spreading. I experienced the same "no roll in the roller" until I heated the resin. Once hot it was very thin and a poured line did not hold firm (ran down slope) making it very easy to spread.

I know you've completed your test, but consider making a test batch with wanted resin and use the foam roller to apply. That was the magic solution for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:46 pm
by Reid
Eric,

Everything is looking really good! (with the exception of that Clemson cup, I will find you a nice FSU one for your next round of photos!!)

Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:24 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:15 pm Eric, warming the epoxy is not to mix it but to thin it for easier spreading. I experienced the same "no roll in the roller" until I heated the resin. Once hot it was very thin and a poured line did not hold firm (ran down slope) making it very easy to spread.

I know you've completed your test, but consider making a test batch with wanted resin and use the foam roller to apply. That was the magic solution for me.
Perhaps, I'll think about it. I know Cracker Larry had stated this as an issue.
Reid wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:46 pm Eric,

Everything is looking really good! (with the exception of that Clemson cup, I will find you a nice FSU one for your next round of photos!!)

Reid
Thanks Reid! Don't send the cup though, I have plenty of things to shoot at up here! :P :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:35 pm
by tcason
I find the epoxy much easier to use when at 85 degrees - it is much thinner and really flows - almost like heavy varnish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:39 pm
by Fuzz
Dang if I had to wait until it was 85f to use epoxy I would need to do it all in one day every decade or so.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:48 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:39 pm Dang if I had to wait until it was 85f to use epoxy I would need to do it all in one day every decade or so.
Bingo!
Will the epoxy flow better? Sure. Is that enough issue to have me to warm up the epoxy? Not at all.
Does heating it up yield a much nicer finish? Dubious, It's still not going to look great.

Pro's:
Wets out graphite and roll easier.

Cons:
Waiting to heat it up.
Shorter pot life.
Having to rush to use it because of reduced pot life.

To each his own. As most of you have already said, I'll end up wet sanding this anyway. I promise it will ONLY be enough to knock off the worst of it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:56 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:48 pm
Pro's:
Wets out graphite and roll easier.

Cons:
Waiting to heat it up.
Shorter pot life.
Having to rush to use it because of reduced pot life.
I think you have proven to be meticulous with your build so far. So I would have thought you would do every 'little trick' to make it nicer...
It seems like a pretty simple thing to set the jugs of epoxy in hot water for 15 minutes before you start so thats not really a big deal.
Shorter pot life also shouldn't be a big deal as you are immediately pouring it out and rolling it, so it will be over a thin area and still doable in your time window.
Having to rush... yes probably, but how long does it really take to roll out a nearly horizontal surface anyways?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:01 pm
by Jaysen
heating is relative in complexity. I just used an oil radiator and set my cups of resin (just the resin) on top. I found that I could mix, dump, spread up to 6oz before kicking but 3oz was less rushed in mixing. With bigger rollers 6oz would have been even easier. I do think the finish is noticeably smoother where I used warmed epoxy. Granted my standards are low but it is noticeable. Part of it may be that the higher flow paired with the faster kick let it "slick then freeze" before I could mess it up with extra attempts at smoothing.

That said, you will get good results with your attention to detail and sanding no matter what you do with the temp. Can't wait to see that black mirror finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:02 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:56 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:48 pm
Pro's:
Wets out graphite and roll easier.

Cons:
Waiting to heat it up.
Shorter pot life.
Having to rush to use it because of reduced pot life.
I think you have proven to be meticulous with your build so far. So I would have thought you would do every 'little trick' to make it nicer...
It seems like a pretty simple thing to set the jugs of epoxy in hot water for 15 minutes before you start so thats not really a big deal.
Shorter pot life also shouldn't be a big deal as you are immediately pouring it out and rolling it, so it will be over a thin area and still doable in your time window.
Having to rush... yes probably, but how long does it really take to roll out a nearly horizontal surface anyways?
You left this part of the quote out:


Bingo!
Will the epoxy flow better? Sure. Is that enough issue to have me to warm up the epoxy? Not at all.
Does heating it up yield a much nicer finish? Dubious, It's still not going to look great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:01 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:04 pm
danieloldhouse wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:37 pm 8O 8O 8O 8O I've been away for a while due to a bad accident on work, I got a shoulder dislocated, three ribs broken and six points on my head but thanks God I'm still around, and man.. what a nice work!
My goodness! I'm glad you are still with us!! I pray you will heal quickly.
Thanks Eric, prayers are always well accepted, anyway now it's going much better :P
I'm really impressed for the accuracy with which you do everything, how you search every little flaw and try to fit it, it's gonna be a very nice boat :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:08 am
by glossieblack
danieloldhouse wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:01 am I'm really impressed for the accuracy with which you do everything, how you search every little flaw and try to fit it, it's gonna be a very nice boat :wink:
Yep. Well said.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:40 pm
by Browndog
Based on your previous work and attention to detail I'm confident that whatever you do will be top notch. Didn't mean to be a naysayer on the cradle approach vs. trailer in your other post.

You will make the best choice for your situation and it will set the bar for all of us to try and emulate. Keep up the fabulous work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:19 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:40 pm Based on your previous work and attention to detail I'm confident that whatever you do will be top notch. Didn't mean to be a naysayer on the cradle approach vs. trailer in your other post.

You will make the best choice for your situation and it will set the bar for all of us to try and emulate. Keep up the fabulous work!
Thanks and I asked for thoughts and opinions on the trailer idea. I have not decided yet. If I go trailer it will have multiple bunks. I don't mind a different view from anyone. In the end I'll decide what I think works best for me. Thanks again for the compliments. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:39 pm
by glossieblack
You'll spend more time building with the hull right way up than you have to date. IMO, from here on, the more of the build you can do from outside the boat, the easier it will be. I'd make choices on trailer vs cradle etc, based on this.

To date I've built Skinnydip mostly from the outside, and I don't see that changing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:53 pm
by Eric1
How I spent my morning. :D
This is five 6 ounce batches with 2 ounces of graphite per batch.

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Other side

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Close up

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Pulled tape, It was clean.

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In the morning I'll strike the next waterline an secure the tape for wet sanding. It won't take much as the test board I did was not this smooth and require very little sanding. This should take even less.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:08 pm
by pee wee
I think most guys would look at results like that and do a little dance, say good enough and carry on. That looks great, glad it went well for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:12 pm
by Jeff
Eric, That is a great finish!! You must be happy with these results!! Again, great work, lots of prep-work to get there but again, great job!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:21 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:12 pm Eric, That is a great finish!! You must be happy with these results!! Again, great work, lots of prep-work to get there but again, great job!! Jeff
Thank You Jeff. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:23 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:08 pm I think most guys would look at results like that and do a little dance, say good enough and carry on. That looks great, glad it went well for you.
Thank You too Hank. :D I'm pretty happy with it. We'll see what a couple more coats do. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:22 pm
by Fuzz
Just as I suspected.........dang thing looks like it came out of a high dollar mold :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:41 pm
by Reid
Looks pretty damn smooth Eric!!! That has got to be the nicest graphite job I have seen. Well done Sir!

Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:06 pm
by Eric1
Thank You, Fuzz and Reid. :D It went pretty good. I had to get real busy with batch number two. I spilled about half of the cup on the hull and a lot got covered VERY fast! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:22 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Just called you at the shop, well about 30 minutes ago!! I will catch-up with you tomorrow!! Again, really well done!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:52 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:22 pm Eric, Just called you at the shop, well about 30 minutes ago!! I will catch-up with you tomorrow!! Again, really well done!! Jeff
Sorry Friend, I had to go home. I promised my girls I would cook some salmon and asparagus for them tonight. I left early to pick everything up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:27 pm
by TomW1
That looks awesome Eric.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:43 pm
by MrPaul
I've been checking this thread the last couple of days wondering when I was going to click onto the mirror finish. Looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:16 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The graphite looks fantastic, like the rest of your build. If you don't mind me asking, what tape did you use to mask the outline as you said it came away very clean? Alan.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:20 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Alan. :D It was "Frog Tape".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:23 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Tom and MrPaul! :D
Man, All y'all have really made feel good with comments. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:08 am
by Fuzz
Just to show what a good sport I am I will let you sand and graphite the bottom of my next boat :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:15 am
by glossieblack
Late to the party, but very nicely done Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:28 am
by blueflood
Good show Eric.
Fuzz wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:08 am Just to show what a good sport I am I will let you sand and graphite the bottom of my next boat :D
:lol: :lol:
Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:11 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:08 am Just to show what a good sport I am I will let you sand and graphite the bottom of my next boat :D
Wow Fuzz! That is mighty kind of you! :lol:

Thanks Glossieblack and Marc!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:40 pm
by BB Sig
Beautiful work Squid! Truly a masters hand at work... 8)

I think Fuzz was offering to pay your way to Alaska.... 8O :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:47 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:40 pm Beautiful work Squid! Truly a masters hand at work... 8)

I think Fuzz was offering to pay your way to Alaska.... 8O :lol:
Thank You My Crayon Eating Friend! 8)

If that's what Fuzz is offering I might take up the offer. My luck, I'd get up there and have to fair and coat a 100' hull. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:41 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Eric1 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:20 pm Thank You Alan. :D It was "Frog Tape".
I love that stuff, I have a roll of it.
I kinda thought it looked familiar in your pics.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:39 am
by Eric1
Not wanting this get this started. My left knee is showing out and giving me pain.
It's hot as two rats scroggin in a wool sock. :lol:
No relief on the heat until 8/25 then it is suppose to drop into the low 80's. I started anyway, gonna take it easy.

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It's 10:30 and this is all I have done. Having to stop and rest my knee. It really sucks getting old. :x
Wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self not to be so damn gung ho with my PT and sports.
Oh well, I digress. Onward to boat building.

Wet or Dry Sand?
That is the question. Both make a heck of a mess. For me, working a section at a time, I find dry working best. As soon as I have the surface gloss knocked down, I spray with water and wipe clean with paper towels. Wet sanded the first two section and it made a bigger mess and was more difficult to sand. This is what works for me. If you want to wet sand your boat more power to you.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:32 pm
by MrPaul
I knew it! Obsessive compulsive sanders disorder. I have it too...and there is no cure for it. Maybe we should start an OCSD support group. :lol: The only benefit of OCSD is it makes your boat look really good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:39 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:32 pm I knew it! Obsessive compulsive sanders disorder. I have it too...and there is no cure for it. Maybe we should start an OCSD support group. :lol: The only benefit of OCSD is it makes your boat look really good!
I know it seems that way for me but I'm not gonna put epoxy on top of slick epoxy. I'm trying my best to keep this at a minimum. :lol:
With the heat and knee I not having any fun right now. :|

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:40 pm
by MrPaul
I had the same issue with the knees. Soft knee pads really help.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:45 pm
by BB Sig
The PT exercises the military uses are horrible and yes, we love abusing our bodies by trying to out do each other... :lol: :lol: Youth has it's advantages and plenty of disadvantages.

Knee pads will help. I like that suggestion. When I was stocking groceries I used them all the time.

Looking good. Carry on. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:39 am
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:47 pm
BB Sig wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:40 pm Beautiful work Squid! Truly a masters hand at work... 8)

I think Fuzz was offering to pay your way to Alaska.... 8O :lol:
Thank You My Crayon Eating Friend! 8)

If that's what Fuzz is offering I might take up the offer. My luck, I'd get up there and have to fair and coat a 100' hull. :lol:
Ticket is no problem. Size of hull to be withheld until said sander is on site :D One thing I can make as a solemn promise is it will not be too hot for sanding :lol: And I have an independent source to verify this. That would be AA :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:59 am
by blueflood
Looking sharp Eric 8) Sanding is just no fun. None whatsoever. Even worst when the hull is right side up with flaring sides and on your knees sanding above the shoulders. I bought a cheap straight-line sander to "long board" fair the hull but even that is a pain. The thing weighs 5 pounds and it wanders if the air supply is not at a constant 90 psi. It did the job though - quite efficiently but again everything is so much more comfortable and efficient when sanding in a down position regardless what tools you are using. I don't want to discourage you Bro :help: your 21 foot length will seem like 42 feet in an instant :roll: :wink:

Get some Dura-Blocks :D and keep your work space cool.
Frog Tape rocks !!

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:31 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:39 am Size of hull to be withheld until said sander is on site :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: I did fall off a cabbage truck, but it wasn't last night's! :lol: :lol: :lol:
blueflood wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:59 am Looking sharp Eric 8) Sanding is just no fun. None whatsoever. Even worst when the hull is right side up with flaring sides and on your knees sanding above the shoulders. I bought a cheap straight-line sander to "long board" fair the hull but even that is a pain. The thing weighs 5 pounds and it wanders if the air supply is not at a constant 90 psi. It did the job though - quite efficiently but again everything is so much more comfortable and efficient when sanding in a down position regardless what tools you are using. I don't want to discourage you Bro :help: your 21 foot length will seem like 42 feet in an instant :roll: :wink:

Get some Dura-Blocks :D and keep your work space cool.
Frog Tape rocks !!

Marc
I don't know if you saw way back in my build but I had the same problems with the cheap sanders. The first wore through the sanding plate where it attached to the drive. I took the second one back and bought a Hutchings. Not cheap but it is still going strong! I've already bought some knee pads to help when I go to work right side up. Still, I'm filled with a slight sense of dread to get there. My right has been repaired,. It just feels odd when I have to get on the deck. The left knee is barely holding together. The ACL is a sliver, the meniscus is worn through and as of late the knee tends to over extend causing instant pain. I'm not discouraged by your "heads up" I know all to well what is coming. I have pain pills but I hate the way I feel after they wear off. I have an herbal remedy I take as needed. The problem with that is I can program and run machinery while it's in my system. I may can spread epoxy and sand while on it. We'll see, so far I'm going with Tylenol but it won't be enough after the flip. Alright, Time to go sand some more.
Thanks every one for the kindness and encouragement! It means a lot to this wore out sailor. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:56 am
by blueflood
Hi Eric, I went back on your early build photos and yep...that's the cheapo sander :lol: A high quality one would make a difference but for less than a hundred bucks, why not try ? At this point I almost did not care about the $. I have so many left-overs...what's the difference with another $75 wasted :lol:

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:50 am
by Eric1
The first side is sanded.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:11 pm
by BB Sig
One bite gone, half an elephant left! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:28 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:11 pm One bite gone, half an elephant left! :lol:
Amen! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:50 pm
by Jeff
That was a big half!! Well done!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:37 am
by glossieblack
I admire your stamina! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:36 am
by Eric1
After a weekend of rest my knee feels a lot better. I came in this morning and sanded the second side of the bottom in prep for second coat of E.G..

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I'm going to give her a sponge bath after lunch to remove any dust I may have missed. Then tomorrow I'll roll out the second coat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:15 pm
by Jeff
Eric, again, that is going to be a slick bottom on your boat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:48 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:15 pm Eric, again, that is going to be a slick bottom on your boat!! Jeff
I'm hoping so. As you can see I just knocked off the spikes and scuffed the surface. As ugly as it is after sanding it feels like a piece of furniture after you Pledge

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:19 pm
by Fuzz
If the next coat comes out as good as the first one I would call it good and move on. I am pretty sure you will not until you have at least three coats on it and get to sand it at least one more time though :lol:
21 foot times three times is more than 45 foot one time I think :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:32 pm
by BB Sig
You can tell it is slick in the picture. It has a nice shine! I think this is going to be one fast boat with that slick of a hull. The first time you find bottom, I expect you will cry on the inside. :lol:

I predict five coats total... One down, four to go! 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:37 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:19 pm If the next coat comes out as good as the first one I would call it good and move on. I am pretty sure you will not until you have at least three coats on it and get to sand it at least one more time though :lol:
21 foot times three times is more than 45 foot one time I think :D
Jacques said three because of the way I did strakes. I found a quick way to sand it , so it's not that bad.
Peter Hagenaars brought up a good point too. He thinks I should cover the lower(outer) two strakes all the way.
I may go back and tape them off. After graphite I will have to seal them in plain epoxy so I can paint over them at the waterline though.
It will be a minor nuisance.

I'm surprised you only went with a single coat. I figure your coast is a heck of a lot more rocky than mine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:41 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:32 pm You can tell it is slick in the picture. It has a nice shine! I think this is going to be one fast boat with that slick of a hull. The first time you find bottom, I expect you will cry on the inside. :lol:

I predict five coats total... One down, four to go! 8O
Gosh I hope three get it done. 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:46 pm
by BB Sig
Eric1 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:41 pm
BB Sig wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:32 pm I predict five coats total... One down, four to go! 8O
Gosh I hope three get it done. 8O
You sanded one coat almost all the way off. :lol: I still count that coat because you put it on. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice job on the graphite bottom paint. :D Looks perfect from here!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:09 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:34 pm Very nice job on the graphite bottom paint. :D Looks perfect from here!
Thanks Buddy. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:32 pm
by Jeff
Agree with AA, looks really nice and confident it will finish beautifully!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:23 pm
by Fuzz
No matter how many coats you end up putting on it I just know it will end up looking perfect :D The only problem the way I see it is the first time you bump into something you are going to lay down and cry :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:26 am
by Fair WX Pilot
I'm thinking you wont want to put this boat up on a beach anytime soon. Looks fantastic.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:45 am
by Eric1
Thanks everyone! There are a couple of places I sometimes have to beach but not often. As far as rubbing the hull, I think every boat owner cries when that happens. The worst for me was a time we were catching bait at a jetty. Lessons learned: Barnacle encrust rocks will badly scar your bottom and that 10 yard hole full of menhaden is only 5 feet wide when throwing a cast net. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:25 pm
by TomW1
Eric check your PM.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:04 am
by glossieblack
Nice work Eric. Looking forward to the flip. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:24 am
by Eric1
Well I have the final waterline taped off. The bottom has been scuffed ans washed. Now if I just had time to roll the last coat on.
I have some parts to set up and run. Tomorrow I have to run the dog to the clipper and may not have time to roll. Saturday, My brother and nephew are going with me to pick up a bunch of marine ply from Tom so I won't roll Saturday. I am going to run one final application test today to see if a slight change in the formula and roll type with yield a smoother finish. I had a Bunch of air bubbles on the last coat and I am going to see if I can get rid of most of them (hopefully all of them). I also plan to have a heat gun handy for the test board. I'm going to cut the graphite to 15% of total mix and see if I like it.

Here is the final waterline taped up.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:59 pm
by Eric1
Final application test. This make the thinnest coating so far. Bubbles were very tiny and there is some fiber even though I prepped the roller.
The heat gun performed well to break the bubbles up and flatten the EG. Tipping was again a waste of time. The pictures don't show the results as well as in person. I will go with nap roller and heat gun for final coat.


1/4 Nap Roller alone. 3 ounce mixed with 1/2 ounce graphite and 6 drops of black epoxy dye.

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This section was same roller plus heat gun.

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Last section, same roller, heat gun and tipped with foam brush dipped in alcohol.

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Side view of panel.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:08 pm
by peter-curacao
Try to warm the test pieces before rolling, if that works maybe the heater under the hull I was telling you about isn't such a bad idea?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:33 pm
by Eric1
Peter, I think I'm going to roll the boat outside and let the sun warm the hull for a couple of hours before I put the last coat on it. I have no good way of warming from underneath. I have a small space heater but I doubt it will transfer enough heat make a difference.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:00 pm
by Jaysen
I haven't read the CL tips in a while but I think:
1. You should reduce graphite in each layer by 30%
2. The warmed resin/heat gun addresses bubbles. Heat gun pointed right at bubbles but fat enough away that it doesn't ripple the surface.

CL was pretty adamant about this being the one time heat was your friend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:22 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:00 pm I haven't read the CL tips in a while but I think:
1. You should reduce graphite in each layer by 30%
2. The warmed resin/heat gun addresses bubbles. Heat gun pointed right at bubbles but fat enough away that it doesn't ripple the surface.

CL was pretty adamant about this being the one time heat was your friend.
Hey Jaysen, Look for the words "builder's tips" in small letters on the forum header. He doesn't say to reduce the graphite. I don't think the black dye I have is compatible with the Marine epoxy. I rolled that panel right before lunch and when I checked it a 5:15 it still had a slight tack. Heat gun was a plus. Next week we are suppose to have highs in the low 80's. That means I will have to warm my resin in the mornings.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:21 pm
by TomW1
Eric nice meeting you and your brother and nephew yesterday.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:08 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:21 pm Eric nice meeting you and your brother and nephew yesterday.

Tom
Nice to meet you as well Tom. We really enjoyed lunch with you and look forward to coming back that way. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:13 am
by TomW1

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:50 am
by glossieblack
Eric, you're keeping those of us avidly following you build in suspense When will the graphite be finished!? When's the flip!? :lol: : :lol:

Informative article that thanks Tom. It seems counter-intuitive that the world's most sophisticated navy has been colliding with merchant ships recently. The article provides a plausible explanation why. :o

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:35 am
by Fuzz
By my count there is at least three more rounds of graphite and sanding to go before we can even hope for a flip :help: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:02 am
by Eric1
Terrible to see more confirmation of our suspicions Tom. SECNAV and MCON should be all over this. Operational readiness goes far beyond the equipment. The sailors must be awake for all the gear to have worth. I sat many watches in CIC, not because it was my job,but I wanted to learn all I could about our electronics. Work an 8 hour day then spend 4 or more hours watching a radar screen tracking everything out to #### nautical miles and you would understand. Tom I know you get it but civilians have no clue. Sailors should be known for endurance not their ability for swabbing decks. I hope the NAVY gets on top of this jiffy quick before more lives are lost.


As for my build, She awaits the final coat of graphite. Sorry to disappoint you Fuzz, I hope you didn't wager to much money on that. :lol:
I have been waiting for a window to open up on one of my lathes to run some motor components used in high power rockets. I got the first operation set up Friday. It will be late Tuesday or early Wednesday before I finish the last operation. I'll post pictures if you like. :)

So that would leave me ready for paint. However, After the gracious purchase of additional plywood from Tom I have to make a choice.
Should I stall the paint and add a wooden rub rail or go with my initial plan and proceed to paint and use the Tessilmare rub rail?
I really like the clean look of the Tessilmare rail and I will most likely stick to my plan.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:24 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:02 am
As for my build, She awaits the final coat of graphite. Sorry to disappoint you Fuzz, I hope you didn't wager to much money on that. :lol:
Should I stall the paint and add a wooden rub rail or go with my initial plan and proceed to paint and use the Tessilmare rub rail?
I really like the clean look of the Tessilmare rail and I will most likely stick to my plan.
Dang it all............might have to go back to work to pay off my bet :cry:

If it were me I would put the rubber rub rail on it. I would love to put one on my build but it costs more to ship it than it does to buy it for me :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:47 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:02 am
So that would leave me ready for paint. However, After the gracious purchase of additional plywood from Tom I have to make a choice.
Should I stall the paint and add a wooden rub rail or go with my initial plan and proceed to paint and use the Tessilmare rub rail?
I really like the clean look of the Tessilmare rail and I will most likely stick to my plan.
The use of both elements provides a more finished look, at least in my opinion.
I put a 2" tall x 3/4" thick laminated rubrail of hardwood mahogany on my XF20 before I installed the Taco rubrail.
Water also seems to drip off very cleanly with this setup. Kind of like the function of the eave drip sub strip on a wood fascia board...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:16 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:47 am The use of both elements provides a more finished look, at least in my opinion.
I put a 2" tall x 3/4" thick laminated rubrail of hardwood mahogany on my XF20 before I installed the Taco rubrail.
Water also seems to drip off very cleanly with this setup. Kind of like the function of the eave drip sub strip on a wood fascia board...
You know what? This is a good idea. :wink:
I have gone back and forth over installing the rail before the flip. My concern is matching the edge of the boat to the rail. I thought this would be easier to do after the flip. However I would not have the strength and stiffness the rail provides during the flip. Another concern is the sides have pulled away from the frames with all of the epoxy and glass and I have thought it would "set" this by putting the rub rail on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:00 am
by Jaysen
The top alignment is easy with a flush cut router bit. The bottom is the one that will drive YOU mad(der). Scribe your hull with the bottom rail mark then Install to that. Let the router deal with the upper rail. You will want to fair and sand the rail bottom quite a bit to meet your standards. Much easier to do all the before the flip.

How far did the side pull? Remember this is just glass and expoxy. If the hull lines are good and fair "extend" the frame with thickened epoxy and glass.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:40 pm
by TomW1
Eric I believe if you read your building instructions that you will find that the wood rub rail is a structural part of the C boats. I know it was in the plans of my C17 and C19 plans. They were 3/4 by 1 1x2 and could be made out of 1/4" ply 3 layers.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:42 pm
by narfi
Is it optional if you have an in wall?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:52 pm
by TomW1
Yes

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:37 pm
by peter-curacao
Stephen I flipped my CS with only the aft part of the rubrail installed, bow section had nothing, just leave your frames in during the flip and you should be safe. I did my rubrail same as Richard and works pretty nice as he describes, if you want to do it as you describe and your rail is structural as Tom thinks it is, just make an inner rubrail, this should be as structural as an outer rubrail I think, just ask Jacques to be sure.
Edit: with inner rubrail I mean on the inside of the boat under the deck

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:05 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:37 pm Stephen I flipped my CS with only the aft part of the rubrail installed, bow section had nothing, just leave your frames in during the flip and you should be safe. I did my rubrail same as Richard and works pretty nice as he describes, if you want to do it as you describe and your rail is structural as Tom thinks it is, just make an inner rubrail, this should be as structural as an outer rubrail I think, just ask Jacques to be sure.
Edit: with inner rubrail I mean on the inside of the boat under the deck
Peter that is a very good alternative. Thank You

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:13 pm
by Eric1
I finished up my machine work before lunch so I can get back to my boat tomorrow. I plan to roll the last coat of graphite on in the morning.
I just ordered the 30 mm black Tessilmare rub rail from Jeff. I am going to cut a 1/4" wooden rail from the 6566 Meranti I got from Tom. I want to have the Tessilmare rail in hand to determine the width I want the Meranti to be. Once I have that determined and cut I'll have to clamp it to the boat and strike the line on the sides. Then I'll have to remove it and cut the primer with 80 grit to ensure a good bond with the epoxy glue. Then I'll seal the plywood with a coat or two with epoxy.
Who knows I may get paint on her before Halloween! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:33 am
by glossieblack
That's a good job plan Eric, and the Meranti and Tessilmare combo will look sharp. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:27 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:33 am That's a good job plan Eric, and the Meranti and Tessilmare combo will look sharp. 8)
Thanks Glossie.
That's enough motivation to get this started today. I'm not moving well this morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:23 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:13 pm I finished up my machine work before lunch so I can get back to my boat tomorrow. I plan to roll the last coat of graphite on in the morning.
I just ordered the 30 mm black Tessilmare rub rail from Jeff. I am going to cut a 1/4" wooden rail from the 6566 Meranti I got from Tom. I want to have the Tessilmare rail in hand to determine the width I want the Meranti to be. Once I have that determined and cut I'll have to clamp it to the boat and strike the line on the sides. Then I'll have to remove it and cut the primer with 80 grit to ensure a good bond with the epoxy glue. Then I'll seal the plywood with a coat or two with epoxy.
Who knows I may get paint on her before Halloween! :lol:
Great decision.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:56 am
by Eric1
Thank You Richard. I'm trying to do it right. :)

I got myself moving finally. I premeasured 6, 6oz batches of epoxy with 2 oz. of graphite for each one. I have 4 ounce of resin in the Solo cups and the hardener is in the squeeze bottle. I get good control of the mix doing this. That is a little more than I used on the last coat but I know I'm going to change the rollers three times. The 9" nap roller soaks up about 2 ounces just to wet it out. I also used a 4" foam roller to "Tip" and a heat gun to break bubbles after rolling.

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After first two batches are rolled.
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HOORAH!!! Bottom Coat is Finished and tape has been pulled! :D :D :D

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I'm pretty happy with the results. I enjoyed the testing I did and I learned a little along the way.
To me that is part of the reason I'm building the boat. I've learned a good bit about the process so far and I've learned about myself.
In everything you do, take advice from the experts, but also try things you think would improve on the "norm" and debunk what you think may be un-needed. This is the true process of gaining wisdom. Thanks to everyone for their input and advice! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:01 pm
by narfi
Looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:05 pm
by Jeff
Absolutely great work!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks great 8) Any reason you didn't continue the waterline over the transom?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:35 pm
by Fuzz
Ok we need a little pole here.
Will he be able to resist sanding this coat or not :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:40 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:05 pm Looks great 8) Any reason you didn't continue the waterline over the transom?
It's not needed for fro the intended purpose. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:42 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all! :D
Please take Fuzz up on any wager he makes about me sanding this coat! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:14 pm
by Fuzz
I will be a believer once the hull is flipped :D Until then...........................

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:32 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:14 pm I will be a believer once the hull is flipped :D Until then...........................
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:36 pm
by MrPaul
I'll put all my chips on Eric sanding :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:08 pm
by Jaysen
He will resist for a few minutes. Then he will break out in cold sweats while someone tries to hold him down. But he will prevail and resume living as a victim of BBSV

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:19 pm
by Eric1
MrPaul wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:36 pm I'll put all my chips on Eric sanding :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
https://youtu.be/JZEIMQ42-oU

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:02 pm
by TomW1
I know Eric doesn't like sanding any more than the rest of us. But he is also a precision machinist who makes his lively hood on detail. So which comes through on this final coat. Well if there are few or very small bubbles he might be satisfied. If more than a few he won't be. Since he has pull everything up and out of the way I will bet against Fuzz and say he is done with the bottom. :lol: :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:46 pm
by glossieblack
It's great to see a perfectionist getting the job done. Too many perfectionists never finish the job, because their skills or endurance are found wanting.

Well done Eric! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:53 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks amazing, thanks for documenting your process.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:01 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:02 pm I know Eric doesn't like sanding any more than the rest of us. But he is also a precision machinist who makes his lively hood on detail. So which comes through on this final coat. Well if there are few or very small bubbles he might be satisfied. If more than a few he won't be. Since he has pull everything up and out of the way I will bet against Fuzz and say he is done with the bottom. :lol: :lol:

Tom
Good attention to detail Tom!
glossieblack wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:46 pm It's great to see a perfectionist getting the job done. Too many perfectionists never finish the job, because their skills or endurance are found wanting.

Well done Eric! 8)
Thank You Glossieblack!
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:53 pm Looks amazing, thanks for documenting your process.
Thank you too my Friend.
My goal with all these posts has been to help other builders. It is my hope they may glean something from my mistakes or successes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:50 pm
by Browndog
Nice job Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:32 am
by blueflood
Done Eric and looking great. You must be relieved and satisfied 8) :D The fun (and more frustration) is just starting :wink:

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:34 pm
by MrPaul
I'm gonna have to talk to my bookie about the odds on you sanding :lol: but the boat looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:15 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Browndog, Marc and Mr.Paul! :D
All this talk of me doing more sanding on the bottom really cracks me up! :lol:

Happy Saturday my fellow boat bums! We have glorious weather here today so I'm inside with Danielle solving a minor issue with the rub rails.
After looking at Jacques drawings for the top edge of the side panels I wanted to shift the dimensions to accommodate cutting these from a single panel. After moving eight foot sections in my CAM system I could not get dimensions I could easily measure. Plus I didn't think the batten I used would bend the same over so few points.
My solution is to tape up poster board sections wider than the 2" wide rub rail I intend. I left that hanging below the edge of the boat. Once it was over the entire side I used a razor against the edge of the boat and cut the waste paper even.
Here is Danielle doing her impression of a Price is Right model. :lol: She is so much fun to be around. :D

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Now I take a small square and mark a 2" line from transom to bow. If you do this keep your left thumb against your right ring finger to keep the square and pencil moving together. Your hands are very stable this way.

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Everything above the line is waste. This should allow me to move this template around on the plywood to minimize waste. I know I can get one layer from a single sheet for both sides. I may use two layer of 1/4" though. I will mock it up before I decide.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:20 pm
by Jeff
Well done Eric!!! Nice system!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:30 pm
by Fuzz
Very slick there Eric. That should make installing the rub rails very clean.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:54 pm
by TomW1
Eric nice use of the scribe method. My dad taught me that a long time ago when working with wood. Everything is looking good guy.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:43 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I think I'm starting to figure out your thought process. This kind of scares me. :lol:
You won't be sorry that you are putting on the wood rubrail sub-rail.
Remember as you cut the wood strips that each will be a different width in order to match the angle of the deck or gunwale.
Looking good!
Build on...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:18 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Fellas. We didn't layout the other side. Danielle wanted lunch. After we enjoyed the day just goofing off.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:22 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:10 pm I think I'm starting to figure out your thought process. This kind of scares me. :lol:
You won't be sorry that you are putting on the wood rubrail sub-rail.
Remember as you cut the wood strips that each will be a different width in order to match the angle of the deck or gunwale.
Looking good!
Build on...
Thanks Richard. I'm going to leave them proud so I can plane that surface after the flip. I noticed the angular shift from the creeper I used to block sand any hanging fiberglass. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:29 am
by Eric1
Happy Labor Day!

I got kinda bored with no dove field to hunt so Danielle and I came to the shop to layout the other side.

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Such concentration!

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Y'all have a great day! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm
by Fuzz
Must be great to have your kids take an interest in your project. Mine just looked at me like I was nuts :cry:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:13 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm Must be great to have your kids take an interest in your project. Mine just looked at me like I was nuts :cry:
Sorry to hear that Fuzz. For what it's worth I use this approach."Hey I really need some help with this." Never have I asked them, I just tell them what is needed. It's not easy to be a parent, so much to figure out along the way. :|

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:39 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm Mine just looked at me like I was nuts :cry:
But were they wrong?

In seriousness, I feel that pain. My son has very little affection for any of my hobbies. I've tried to get onboard with some of his, but ... Now that he's gone we've started to talk political "action reaction" without getting into politics, but it sure would be nice to have something in common.

Much like Eric I always said "come help" and both kids did. Still, would be nice to have common interest now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:35 pm
by Fuzz
The wife loves to fish but neither of my kids want anything to do with it. My son went commercial fishing with a buddy of mine one season. After one dose of that he wants nothing to do with fishing or boats. It would be nice to do stuff with them but they are out on their own now. Daughter never has liked anything that involved physical exertion. She was more of a book worm but it sort of worked out for me as she got a full ride to collage :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:05 am
by blueflood
Fuzz wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm Must be great to have your kids take an interest in your project. Mine just looked at me like I was nuts :cry:
:lol: Fuzz...you crack me up :D

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:07 am
by blueflood
Great going Eric. Man, you are detailed and accurate 8)

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:32 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:22 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:10 pm I think I'm starting to figure out your thought process. This kind of scares me. :lol:
You won't be sorry that you are putting on the wood rubrail sub-rail.
Remember as you cut the wood strips that each will be a different width in order to match the angle of the deck or gunwale.
Looking good!
Build on...
Thanks Richard. I'm going to leave them proud so I can plane that surface after the flip. I noticed the angular shift from the creeper I used to block sand any hanging fiberglass. :)
Richard's advice, and your intention the leave them proud and then plane after the flip, is the way to go. I didn't have the foresight to do this, and I've been playing catch up ever since. If I was doing it again, before the flip I'd take as long as it takes to get what will eventually be the bottom edge of the rub rail spot on, leaving what eventually will be the top edge proud for planning after the flip. Build on!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:33 am
by Eric1
Thank Glossie and Richard for looking out for me. :D
The template was about 2 1/32". I'm going to mark the edge 1 15/16" hoping it's enough to get a clean edge after the flip.

The first thing I did this morning was unload the Very Generous aquisition from Tom! Thank you again for the Great deal!!!
Marine Ply!!
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Epoxy and foam!
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That done, it is time to go to work. I am going to put two layers on the outside of the boat.
I'm reserving the option of one layer on the inside. I'll see when the time comes.
Tedious layout:
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This is going take time to do well and will push the build out further.
I don't really care though. I am enjoying this, It's keeping my mind and hands busy.
I can't tell ya'll the hours I've spent thinking about the different way to finish this build! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:32 pm
by Jaysen
Why not CNC the rail strips? I'd think you'd be able to make a single sized strip work for all layers.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:32 pm Why not CNC the rail strips? I'd think you'd be able to make a single sized strip work for all layers.

Maybe I'm missing something.
I don't own a CNC router yet. My machines are suited for cutting metal, think more torque less rpms.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:51 pm
by Jaysen
I knew it was something obvious!

Someday I'll have to find a reason to drool over your shop and Richard's shop. Big machines doing precision work is something to admire.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:35 pm
by Eric1
Well I have the first layer clamped in place. The template layout worked perfectly! :D :D

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From the back. :D

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Tomorrow morning I'll splice the template back together. Then shift the cut line so I don't stack the seams on top of each other.
No Fuzz and Jaysen, I don't see a lot of sanding going to be needed here. :P :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:43 pm
by Jaysen
Let's wait a few days on that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:46 pm
by narfi
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:24 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:43 pm Let's wait a few days on that.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
narfi wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:46 pm Image
Sicko! :P :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:17 pm
by glossieblack
Eric, your approach to getting the rub rails right is already paying dividends. The first instalment is very nice. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:33 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Glossie!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:48 pm
by Fuzz
If you can hold the rub rail in place with just a few spring clamps the template must have worked really well. Anything is better than using 50 clamps, bunch of screws and words that would make a Marine blush :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:34 am
by TomW1
That rubrail looks nice Eric.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:31 am
by Eric1
Thank you Fuzz and Tom. :D

Here goes round two. Hoping that round spot of sticker glue won't effect the epoxy. :x
I've scraped it with a razor and washed it with laquer thinner.
I don't know why manufacturers feel the need to put stickers on everything.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:55 am
by BB Sig
Lol. Especially things like this! I like the stamps better. You would think at the very least they would use less tacky adhesive.

Good luck in round two. I'm sure it will be at least as good as the rest you've shown us!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:58 am
by Eric1
Thank You Barry. Sending prayers for all y'all in Florida!

Danielle is hanging with me today. She asked to layout the last three section! :D 8)
Of course I said Heck Yes!! Two layers of rub rail each side from one sheet.
Pleased with that.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:03 am
by Jeff
Always nice to have great help!!!! Very well done by Danielle!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:22 pm
by Eric1
I had both helpers with me today but I did all the work.
I wanted to do the cutting myself. I start sanding down to glass monday.

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Stay smart Florida! We love you and are praying you'll be spared.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:50 pm
by Jeff
Thanks Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:18 am
by Fuzz
So once the sander is in your hand the big will power test will come :lol: It ain't over till the flip is done :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:59 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:18 am So once the sander is in your hand the big will power test will come :lol: It ain't over till the flip is done :wink:
It's not a question of will. I'm cutting the primer off the rub rail area. Not enjoying this, I worked hard to fair it. :cry: :roll:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:12 am
by Jaysen
Isn't that s3? Just scuff and glue man... it's all epoxy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:38 am
by Eric1
No some of it is EMC also. It's no big deal to cut it off. I'm halfway done with it. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:00 pm
by Eric1
It's gone.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:18 pm
by Eric1
Well the first rub rail is on the boat. As you can see I started by putting epoxy on the wrong side! :lol:
I had two ready for epoxy glue and had a "wait a minute" moment! :lol: :lol:
So I got to working quickly. My brother Mark gave me a hand with this. It's so much easier when you have help with this.

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Maybe tomorrow I'll think first!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:28 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:18 pm Maybe tomorrow I'll think first!
Don't do it! If you do you might start sanding.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:38 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:28 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:18 pm Maybe tomorrow I'll think first!
Don't do it! If you do you might start sanding.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:21 pm
by glossieblack
Eric, when the boat is right way up, do you want the finished bottom of the timber/glass portion of the rub rail to be at right angles to the hull, horizontal athwartships, or sloping up from the hull? First layer looking good. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:10 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:21 pm Eric, when the boat is right way up, do you want the finished bottom of the timber/glass portion of the rub rail to be at right angles to the hull, horizontal athwartships, or sloping up from the hull? First layer looking good. :D
Thanks Glossie. :) I'm not sure yet,leaning towards a simple right angle but it depends on how I join the gunwales.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:27 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, the boat looks great. I'm really enjoying reading you're build thread as I'm unable to work on my boat till I get home. I did the same as your proposing and went for a 90 deg. angle between the bottom of the rub rail and the hull. I found it easier to get things square and it forms a negative angle when the boat is turned back over. I'm hoping this will help prevent spray from migrating over the top like a backup spray rail. Alan.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:01 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:27 pm Hi Eric, the boat looks great. I'm really enjoying reading you're build thread as I'm unable to work on my boat till I get home. I did the same as your proposing and went for a 90 deg. angle between the bottom of the rub rail and the hull. I found it easier to get things square and it forms a negative angle when the boat is turned back over. I'm hoping this will help prevent spray from migrating over the top like a backup spray rail. Alan.
Thanks Alan. I was just thinking it would match/accent the style line already on the boat. Your thoughts however are plausible. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:38 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Everyone.
I got the first layer glued to the hull on the right. I paid attention and it went better than yesterday. :D
I used 4.5 ounces of epoxy in 3 batches to do this. I tossed about an 1 1/2 ounces of waste. That was enough for a spit coat on the glue side of the rails plus the wood flour glue. At the end I added more wood flour and made a putty to fill the bow where the two sides meet. After the next two layers are on I'll form a nice radius there.

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Bow

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:05 am
by Jaysen
Excellent!

When does they sanding start?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:16 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:05 am Excellent!

When does they sanding start?
That's not the question. The question is when does it end?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:53 am
by Jaysen
I sit corrected

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:54 am
by csotelo
Looking good my friend!

Good idea to cut the strips with curves, bend then in the bow is a PITA.

Regards,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:10 pm
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:16 am
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:05 am Excellent!

When does they sanding start?
That's not the question. The question is when does it end?
:help: :help: :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:29 pm
by Eric1
I didn't get started until after lunch. I had to wait for my newest employee to finish her job at noon.
Danielle is answering our phone and doing office work for us. So when you call you will hear her sweet voice instead of mine.

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We have the second layer of rub rail on. Every thing was test fitted and matched to the first layer as best as possible.

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Transom profile. I think once I add the Tessilmare rail to this it will look great. :D

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Going to get the second layer on the other side tomorrow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:16 pm
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:29 pm
Transom profile. I think once I add the Tessilmare rail to this it will look great. :D
I agree. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:54 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I agree with you on the Tessilmare!! I will check back with them tomorrow regarding your two additional end caps!! By the way Danielle did a great job on the phones yesterday!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:28 pm
by Fuzz
Nice to have your daughter working for you. But I bet it is different for her than the others, they can not say but.............daddy :lol: :lol: Every little girl has daddy wrapped around her finger, and we like it :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:53 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:28 pm Nice to have your daughter working for you. But I bet it is different for her than the others, they can not say but.............daddy :lol: :lol: Every little girl has daddy wrapped around her finger, and we like it :D
Only a little Fuzz. She has to do her job just like everybody else. :D

I talked with AA about planing this. He wanted to send me a router bit that would do the job.
While I know that would work great I felt he probably has enough on his plate without worrying over my boat build.
So here is how I'm edge matching my rub rails.
First I set the second layer just proud of the lowest area of the first rail. This put me a good bit high at the back edge on this piece.

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I added some blue tape to the working side of the plane.
This has to be replace every five feet or so but it helps keep scuffs of the hull.

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Here is the same edge after planing and sanding.
The black mark on the previous piece is so I can line these back up when I glue them on.

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I'm considering using aluminum/epoxy of these for toughness. I may paint over them as well.
I'm off to finish the rest of it. Y'all have a great day. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:08 am
by Jaysen
I know I'm late, but why not just plane it all AFTER gluing it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:01 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:08 am I know I'm late, but why not just plane it all AFTER gluing it?
You could certainly do that if you choose.
I prefer to spend more time getting the prep as close as I can and then move forward to the next step.
Just mt way of doing things. :)

Anyway the last layer is on.

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I had a small amount of plain epoxy mixed so I put a spit coat on the first side.
I had no idea this ply was so pretty. I may leave the rub rails bright. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:10 pm
by Jaysen
I get it. I was just thinking that you'll have some glue push and will feed your sanding habit with plane then glue. Glue then plane would produce a finished surface. I do t think there's a right or wrong here. Just wondering if I missed something important that had you to plane then glue.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:07 pm
by peter-curacao
If you gonna paint it you might consider giving the outer corner (under) a radius with a router and put a fillet into the inner corner, I did it that way and I'm glad I did, it just gives you a much nicer grip opposite to hard corners. I try to find you a pic to explain better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:17 pm
by Eric1
I understand. Even if I leave the wood finished bright a radius is a good idea. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:17 pm I understand. Even if I leave the wood finished bright a radius is a good idea. :wink:
keep in mind that If you rout the plywood it will give you different colors because of the multi layers, here's a pic to explain my previous comment better, not the best pic but it gives you an idea I hope.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:22 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice Peter!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:03 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric, your rubrail looks great! I'll hang on to the router bit, I think you came up with a nice alternative. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:01 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:03 am Eric, your rubrail looks great! I'll hang on to the router bit, I think you came up with a nice alternative. 8)
Thank You Richard. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:22 pm
by Eric1
I didn't work the build this weekend. I was rear ended Friday as I waited to turn in my driveway.The jerk ran from the scene. I got the tag and make of the car. The police are looking for him. My back and shoulder were very sore Saturday so I did very little. Sunday was Danielle's 19th birthday so Saturday night I cooked the meal she asked for. Steaks, Baked potato, salad with a nice Danish blue cheese and roasted onions. We just took it easy.
She was in the car as well but she had no adverse effects.

Today I removed the clamps and sanded the tops of the rub rails. As nice as the plywood looks I've decided to paint them. I really don't want the upkeep of bright work. I think the black Tessilmare rail will look good on the gray wooden rail.
No pictures today I was/am covered in work in the machine shop.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:40 pm
by Jeff
Good talk today and glad you are doing better following the crazy driver reading his text and hitting you in the rear last Friday afternoon!!! These folks should lose their license for an extended period!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:17 am
by glossieblack
I'm impressed by the logical way you're thinking ahead with your rub rails Eric. The result will be spot on. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:39 pm
by TomW1
Eric sorry to hear about the accident glad to know your okay. The rub rail is looking great! Also sent you a PM.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:08 pm
by Fuzz
Man Eric, you have had more than your share of trials and tribulations during this build :( I hope things will go your way for a while and you can move ahead :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:51 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:08 pm Man Eric, you have had more than your share of trials and tribulations during this build :( I hope things will go your way for a while and you can move ahead :D
Thank you my Friend. It all works out in the end. :D

Not much going on with the boat. I'm slammed with work at the machine shop and short handed. Monday I have a 12' stick of 1.5" x 4.125" 316ss coming in. It's going to be a bunch of small connections I'll have to mill. Plus I have some poultry processing parts to make on top of our regular work. So today I came by with my full crew to put a coat of epoxy on the rub rails to seal the wood. I only put it on the vertical surface because I'm going to put a small radius on the edges. I have a set of tools ordered to work with but they have not come in yet.

The help: :D

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The rub rails.

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These are the tools I ordered. I must be crazy but I like hand tools when I'm working on something like this.
I don't expect a great finish working the edge of plywood but it will ruff the radius in for me.
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Really hoping to have the rails ready for primer by next friday. I want to get the boat painted before cool weather gets here.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:15 pm
by Netpackrat
Where did you get those tools? I have a Slickplane that works OK for rounding over edges, but those look super neat as well!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:41 pm
by Eric1
Netpackrat wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:15 pm Where did you get those tools? I have a Slickplane that works OK for rounding over edges, but those look super neat as well!
I ordered these from Woodcraft.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:59 pm
by Jeff
Rub rails look great!! Also nice to help that expert assistance your daughters provide!! I should have your end caps Monday. Their shop had been closed due to IRMA damage!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:41 pm
by TomW1
Eric those are some nice tools. Try to use them in one long continuos sweep if you can. Trying to start and stop can lead to hi or low spots. They work fine on plywood, just may need to sand it.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:24 pm
by Fuzz
Just so you know................I am missing my morning sanding fix :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:51 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:24 pm Just so you know................I am missing my morning sanding fix :D
I'm sorry Fuzz. I have been waiting on tools to come in. I got them late yesterday and did a test cut, they will do fine. Monday I got underneath the boat and knocked off all the places epoxy and wood flour had came through the filled holes and seams. I started with a small hand sander, it was slow, dusty and tended to cut into the bare wood. My solution was a 1/2" chisel and a hammer. I could put the edge of the chisel against the epoxy and with a light tap of the hammer the epoxy would cut flush. As I've said my knees are shot so anything I can do now will be better than after the flip.
I'm going to cut the radii this morning then do a test of epoxy and powdered aluminum.
After that I have to get back to machine work. I got word from our largest stainless vendor the price is going up in October so I spent Monday afternoon and all day yesterday adjusting prices on about three hundred parts we make. Today I have to set up a mill on that 316ss plate work that came in. I'll post the work for y'all as I go. Then write a program for a live tooled lathe job.
I'm feeling a bit pressured because I want this boat painted and flipped by the end of the year. I have to finish and prime the rub rails, prime them and paint the boat before cool weather gets here. I want to paint on a Friday and let it cure over the weekend. Then I plan to roll it outside every day for a week to let the sun further cure the paint. After that I have to frame up a structure to flip the girl over.
Well that's where I stand for now. Hoping for time to make progress.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:36 am
by Eric1
This is how it's going.

Before corner tools has cut.

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After tool has cut. Of course the end grain layer in the plywood looks like crap.

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After a bit of sanding.

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Side view. Left is not radiused, right is.

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Next I'll fill the lows with some Quick Fair or epoxy and wood flour.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:41 am
by Jaysen
Yeah... you're an over achiever in my book. :P

That looks great. She will make all the production boats look like fecal deposits from the day she hits the water till the day all those poorly built production boats sink.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:47 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:41 am Yeah... you're an over achiever in my book. :P

That looks great. She will make all the production boats look like fecal deposits from the day she hits the water till the day all those poorly built production boats sink.
Thanks Buddy. You made me smile, I needed that. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:59 pm
by TomW1
Looking great Eric keep it up.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:31 pm
by Fuzz
Eric your work looks great! Speaking of work I am not sure how you and Richard ever have time to work on your boats. But I sure do enjoy seeing your progress when it happens :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:20 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:59 pm Looking great Eric keep it up.

Tom
Thanks Tom! :D
Fuzz wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:31 pm Eric your work looks great! Speaking of work I am not sure how you and Richard ever have time to work on your boats. But I sure do enjoy seeing your progress when it happens :D


Thank you too Fuzz. I completely blew off work today and finished putting the radii on the rub rails.
I'll play catch up tomorrow. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks good Stephen,in time you will be glad you rounded them 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:18 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 pm Looks good Stephen,in time you will be glad you rounded them 8)
Thanks Peter. It was a good idea. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:47 am
by bateau-webmaster
Coming along really nicely Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:50 am
by Jeff
Really nice work Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:34 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:36 am Side view. Left is not radiused, right is.

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Next I'll fill the lows with some Quick Fair or epoxy and wood flour.
Beautiful work Eric. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:38 am
by Jeff
Yes, I fully agree, very well done Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:28 am
by Eric1
Thanks guys. I started filling and fairing yesterday. This morning I'm helping move my Dad.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:10 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:18 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 pm Looks good Stephen,in time you will be glad you rounded them 8)
Thanks Peter. It was a good idea. :)
Are you gonna fillet the inside corners also or do you leave them sharp as is?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:23 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:10 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:18 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:05 pm Looks good Stephen,in time you will be glad you rounded them 8)
Thanks Peter. It was a good idea. :)
Are you gonna fillet the inside corners also or do you leave them sharp as is?
They will have a small fillet. I will build this surface next.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:33 pm
by terrulian
Eric,
A few pages back you showed those roundover hand tools which you ordered from Woodcraft. What are they called? I couldn't find them on their site.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:05 pm
by TomW1
T here is where I got mine many moons ago and believe the same Woodcraft set as Eric's. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/veri ... 3baa000a33

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:47 pm
by Eric1
Tom is correct. That is the same set. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:15 pm
by Eric1
Busy day, I did manage to finish sanding the fill I did on the rub rails. I also started building the bow of the rails.

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Spent the morning helping move my Dad from the apartment he was in. It was in an assisted living complex, though his apartment was unassisted.
I was pissed off when I saw what 3k a month was paying for. The place was filthy, smelled of fecal matter and everything was the color of a brown box.
He moved there to be across the road from the hospital where he is taking chemo and radiation. Dad told me the maid told him that she was not suppose to clean his room at all by the front office. She did anyway once a week. My brother had to buy an air filter for the AC, they never came to change it, even though Dad told them about that on day one. His refrigerator made a high pitched whine every time the compressor kicked on. They never had anyone come look at that but they promised they would. Pisser is he's so weak from the chemo we had to help him move his clothes and the front office didn't want the maid to even clean his room. The owners can't have a soul and should be ashamed. :x :x :x
I tell you the only thing that keeps me from going to jail is my two daughters. People who take advantage of old people and especially old Veterans deserve to have their butts stomped. I felt really close to making the grass grow today. :x :x :x
We have him moved in to The Residence Inn in Spartanburg. One hundred times nicer for the same money!! Hoping things get better for him.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:56 pm
by Jeff
Eric, it is hard to believe how poorly old folks are cared for in those facilities!! Glad he has moved!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:49 pm
by jacquesmm
Sorry to hear about your father but you are correct: you must check on those places. We are in the same situation here and it took us a while to find a nice full care facility.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:39 pm
by TomW1
Eric I am really sorry to hear about your father. I hate the way some of these facilities treat there partients. Where my dad lives the church runs a really nice home. I expect we will be moving him there in the not to near future now that mom has passed. Fighting cancer is tough enough but living in bad conditions on top of that is awful.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:18 pm
by Fuzz
Man Eric you are having a tough run of it. Real sorry to hear about your father. I thought down south they would have a better handle on this kind of problem. Wondering about costs, not yours per say just general idea, here the one and only assisted living place gets 17K a month 8O Very few people can stand the cost for an extended time. System is broken.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:47 am
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:49 pm Sorry to hear about your father but you are correct: you must check on those places. We are in the same situation here and it took us a while to find a nice full care facility.
We thought that Dad had checked them out before deciding to move in there but he did not. Dad, as of late, has not been making the best decisions. When you attempt to question him he want to become confrontational. I do not want to be disrespectful towards him but my brother and I are going to have to be more involved with his choices. It is difficult to to balance how much to decide for him. For now all we can do is advise and hope he will listen.
TomW1 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:39 pm Eric I am really sorry to hear about your father. I hate the way some of these facilities treat there partients. Where my dad lives the church runs a really nice home. I expect we will be moving him there in the not to near future now that mom has passed. Fighting cancer is tough enough but living in bad conditions on top of that is awful.

Tom
Thanks Tom. You are fortunate that there is a nice facility nearby him.
Fuzz wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:18 pm Man Eric you are having a tough run of it. Real sorry to hear about your father. I thought down south they would have a better handle on this kind of problem. Wondering about costs, not yours per say just general idea, here the one and only assisted living place gets 17K a month 8O Very few people can stand the cost for an extended time. System is broken.
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Thank you Fuzz. It seems that way, but I'm doing well. I still have good faculty and can work, build boats etc. I moan and groan about aches and pain but I'm thankful for what I have. These issues are not geographic,nor is the "system" broken. Fuzz the system is made up from people. People are broken for the most part and it is going to get worse. Basic manners and respect is all but gone from us as a society. We care so little for each other that please and thank you are seldom heard. I have raised my children the way I was raised. You say Sir and Maam when you answer an adult, you ask with please and say thank you when a request is made or answered. I do this to even at 55. As we were loading the car yesterday a very seasoned woman was coming toward the door with her walker. I shifted the bags on my shoulder and held the door waiting for her to pass. She asked if I worked there, I said No Maam. She thanked me and I responded, You are welcome. Simple courtesy and respect. Perhaps if we can repair that link in the chain and repair other small breaks along they way then little by little the larger issues is not seem so large after all. As hard as it may seem at times we are commanded by the creator to love one another. In doing so you will love yourself and things go well for you no matter what comes. All things pass, it's how you manage the season that counts.

God Bless you all.
Your Friend, Brother and Countryman

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:16 am
by Eric1
Came to shop washed my car and started sanding. 8O
The first fill sanded out well.

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I'm also laying in the underside fillets today. I'm pulling these with a 3/8" diameter boring bar. :lol:

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Have a great weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:26 am
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:16 am

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Now that's what I'm talking about, no more sharp corners, no more dirt magnets, very nice! 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:01 pm
by bateau-webmaster
8) Very nice Eric! That boat's looking better and better, all the time!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:29 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:26 am Now that's what I'm talking about, no more sharp corners, no more dirt magnets, very nice! 8) 8)
Thank You Peter! It was a good suggestion. :wink:
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:01 pm 8) Very nice Eric! That boat's looking better and better, all the time!
Thank You Jamie! :D


This is a test of Marine epoxy and Aluminum powder. The ratio was by volume 2 epoxy:1 hardener:1 aluminum powder.
Just hand mixed.

Over epoxy/graphite.

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Over bare plywood.

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I expect it to darken with further coats. We'll see. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 pm
by Fuzz
That is a tough spot to make look good but you are doing a fine job of it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:47 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 pm That is a tough spot to make look good but you are doing a fine job of it.
Thank You Fuzz. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:40 am
by glossieblack
Perfecto.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:50 am
by Jaysen
Eric, I hope you realize that under all my semi-sarcastic comments is a very real admiration for the level of work you are doing. That's one heck of a fine boat you are building. And based on a few high end production boats I've looked at (band new ones, not ones poorly maintained) your C21 will be turning heads for a LONG time. Beautiful work. Can't wait to see her finished.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:08 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:40 am Perfecto.

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Thank You Glossie. It won't be perfect but I want it to please the eyes. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:10 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:50 am Eric, I hope you realize that under all my semi-sarcastic comments is a very real admiration for the level of work you are doing. That's one heck of a fine boat you are building. And based on a few high end production boats I've looked at (band new ones, not ones poorly maintained) your C21 will be turning heads for a LONG time. Beautiful work. Can't wait to see her finished.
I don't mind your remarks and have taken no offense from them. Post on and we'll smile together. Thank you for your kind words Jaysen. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:09 pm
by Eric1
Good Morning,
I have sanded the fillets and I'm happy with them.

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Small test area of the epoxy/aluminum mix. I am also pleased with the way it filled and sanded.
I will apply two layers on the rub rail,then sand and prime.

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Forward on the boat this is after the second fill.

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I'm finding that area difficult to free hand the fill work. I could just pack a ton of filler there and sand it all off but I don't work that way.
So I dammed it and filled it I hope for the last time.

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Once I have that shaped I'll tape off above the top of the fillets and start coating withe epoxy /aluminum.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:16 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work Eric!! Although I would not expect less from you!! Again, nice!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:40 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:16 pm Really nice work Eric!! Although I would not expect less from you!! Again, nice!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff! That's really nice of you to say. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:07 pm
by cape man
Kinda like the look of the aluminum powder by itself. Interesting color...

Your filets are gorgeous.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:12 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Cape Man! :D
I like it too. I'm tempted to leave that as finish but since I'm painting Haze Gray I'm concerned a mismatch in color would look off.
That's the only reason I feel the need to paint them.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:19 pm
by Eric1
I pulled the tape on the dammed area. It looks like it will clean up just fine. I'll wait until morning to shape it.
I struck a pencil line with a small piece of 3/16" aluminum scrap. this gave me a decent line at the top of sanded fillets.
I went ahead and taped it for tomorrow. :wink:

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That's all for today. I'm leaving work to take my youngest daughter for her driving lesson. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:35 pm
by Jeff
Eric, very well done!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:00 pm
by TomW1
All to cool Eric. Can't wait to see her painted in a few days. Glad your taking care of your girls family always comes first.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:20 pm
by cape man
Can't wait to see her painted in a few days. Glad your taking care of your girls family always comes first.
Don't paint your daughter!!!! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:23 pm
by Fuzz
:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:02 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:20 pm
Can't wait to see her painted in a few days. Glad your taking care of your girls family always comes first.
Don't paint your daughter!!!! 8)
You guys are CrAzy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:43 pm
by MrPaul
cape man wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:20 pm
Can't wait to see her painted in a few days. Glad your taking care of your girls family always comes first.
Don't paint your daughter!!!! 8)
...and keep her away from the sand paper!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:21 am
by TomW1
You guys are crazy but I'm glad to see it dang It's been to long with out laughter. :D :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:02 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:21 am You guys are crazy but I'm glad to see it dang It's been to long with out laughter. :D :lol:

Tom
Good fellowship goes a long way. I agree Tom! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:24 am
by Eric1
I got right to it this morning. Epoxy and aluminum. I decided to go with a 2:1:1/2, epoxy: hardener:aluminum for first coat.
My thoughts being a little less aluminum will help the epoxy to absorb into what ever wood grain is exposed. This only took 3 ounces to cover.
Top was brushed first, then the sides were rolled with a foam roller.

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Note the color difference. The dark area already has a coat of 2:1:1 on it.

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I hope to get a second coat on late today. It depends on if I'm dry enough to re-tape the line.
This was a medium hardener.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:58 am
by Reid
Lookin good Eric!

Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:27 pm
by Jeff
Eric, that really turned-out well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:59 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Reid and Jeff. :D
It's looking like tomorrow for another coat. It's still pretty sticky and I'm not taping around that!
We went and dropped off my Accord for repair finally. Then my brother wanted to stop at the gun shop.
He's been wanting a shotgun for defense. He went with the KSG-12. I think it's a good choice for the application.
I picked up a nice Daniel Defense AR. Remind me to stay out of the Gun shop please. :lol:
I won't get mine until Saturday, I'm pretty much on an automatic three day wait.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:35 pm
by Jeff
Well that was a nice lunch-time shopping event for you and your brother!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:49 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:35 pm Well that was a nice lunch-time shopping event for you and your brother!! Jeff
I've been saying for several years "I'm not buying any more guns". So why do I turn around and buy more guns? :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:10 pm
by Fuzz
Buying guns is not something that can be justified............no reason to even try.
You could be like me. After my father died I ended up with all his personal guns plus the leftovers from the gun shop. Now I have about 100 extra plus what I had to begin with :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:01 pm
by Jeff
Wow Fuzz, that is a lot of cleaning to be done!!! Bet it is a nice collection though!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:52 pm
by Eric1
WOW FUZZ!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:44 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks good Stephen 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:06 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:44 pm Looks good Stephen 8)
Thank You Peter! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:36 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:52 pmWOW FUZZ!!
The prize is I inherited a rifle known as Big Nan. You can do a google search for "Rifle Big Nan" and it will show up. It is the most famous rifle in Alaska history.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:14 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:36 pm
Eric1 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:52 pmWOW FUZZ!!
The prize is I inherited a rifle known as Big Nan. You can do a google search for "Rifle Big Nan" and it will show up. It is the most famous rifle in Alaska history.
That is a very cool piece of history! 8) 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:29 am
by Eric1
This is what I saw when I walked in the shop this morning.
I got a sense of pride just looking at this. :D

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Once I got over myself I taped her back up for the second coat. :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:43 am
by MrPaul
I'd be proud of that too. She looks beautiful!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:12 am
by jacquesmm
Very nice.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:21 am
by Eric1
Thank y'all. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:25 pm
by Jeff
Really well done Eric!! Sorry, late to the Forum today!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:39 pm
by TomW1
Wow really nice Eric.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:49 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff and Tom! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:58 pm
by Fuzz
Really nice. When you get complements from the designer you know you are doing something right :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:00 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:58 pm Really nice. When you get complements from the designer you know you are doing something right :D
I was kinda tickled to see that. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
Wow!
Reminds me of the sun coming up on a windless bay and the surface is smooth as glass.
Very nice work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:00 pm
by Eric1
Thank You OrangeQuest! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:48 pm
by Browndog
Looking good Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:44 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:48 pm Looking good Eric.
Thank You Browndog! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Rails are looking nice and shiny, 8) what product are you gonna finish them with?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:38 am
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:02 pm Rails are looking nice and shiny, 8) what product are you gonna finish them with?
Thank you Peter. :D
I'm going to prime and paint these. I think the bright work looks nice but I want a specific look for this boat.
Haze Gray and Underway! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:04 am
by bateau-webmaster
You do good work Eric! Did you go for the West System 420 aluminum powder?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:18 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:04 am You do good work Eric! Did you go for the West System 420 aluminum powder?
Thanks Jamie. :D No this was 100 mesh aluminum powder from my chemistry cabinet. Pure aluminum for making rocket fuel. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:28 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:18 pm

Thanks Jamie. :D No this was 100 mesh aluminum powder from my chemistry cabinet. Pure aluminum for making rocket fuel. :wink:
So if you're late for diner you can always light your rails to be in time :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:43 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:28 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:18 pm

Thanks Jamie. :D No this was 100 mesh aluminum powder from my chemistry cabinet. Pure aluminum for making rocket fuel. :wink:
So if you're late for diner you can always light your rails to be in time :lol:
:lol: Not quite! I would have to add an oxidizer to got with the epoxy and aluminum. :lol:
Believe it or not epoxy coupled with another powdered metal makes a decent solid rocket fuel. It's not the most efficient but it will work. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:44 pm
by Fuzz
Let me see here. Richard with his cannon, you with rocket fuel and Peter just being Peter...............what could go wrong :lol: :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:48 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:44 pm Let me see here. Richard with his cannon, you with rocket fuel and Peter just being Peter...............what could go wrong :lol: :help:
Sounds like a party! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No boat building for a few days. I had surgery this morning and I have to have a CT scan in the morning to make sure all the gauze is out of my body.
The surgeon didn't see any this morning but we want to be sure. I am sick of this crap hitting me every year. I'm fine now,it is no fun getting cut open. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:40 pm
by Fuzz
It is still stunning to me that the ambulance chasers are not all over this like white on rice :doh:
I hope they got it all this time and you can put this issue behind you. Quick question.........you ever heard of a guy named Jobe?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:16 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:40 pm It is still stunning to me that the ambulance chasers are not all over this like white on rice :doh:
I hope they got it all this time and you can put this issue behind you. Quick question.........you ever heard of a guy named Jobe?
I know his story.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:39 am
by TomW1
Eric it is no fun getting cut. Hope they got all the gauze. We are leaving Iowa early from vacation as my dad wad in an auto accident, his fault and heading for Ohio You have fun down at the the meet they are always a good time.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:32 am
by Aripeka Angler
The rubrail looks fantastic. :D Heal up quick so you can flip this beast.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:52 am
by Eric1
Thanks Tom and Richard.
I'm still not 100% but I did get a second coat on the rails this morning.
I increased the aluminum content to a 2:1:1, epoxy:hardener:aluminum.
The color is darker of course. I had the mix kick about 3/4 of the way down the second side.
I quickly used a squeegee to remove the thick mess. I mixed a second batch and finished the job.
I will have to sand, fill and prime this to remove some air bubbles. The surface is textured like the epoxy graphite. I want it much smoother.

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I won't find out until Thursday the results of the CT scan.
When my youngest daughter Judy got home Friday evening she had passed her driving test! So I have to go the DMV at some point and get her license.
I just finished paying for Danielle's increase on the insurance. :|

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:34 am
by Jeff
Glad to hear you are at least getting around!! Congrats to Danielle!! The only downside is that she is truly growing up!! Call me when you have time!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:25 am
by TomW1
Eric sent you a PM

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:59 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:25 am Eric sent you a PM

Tom
Tom, The PM didn't post. Please send it again.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:25 pm
by TomW1
Done

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:28 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Friends,
We have a rainy day here in Sparkle City so I came in to do some boat work!
I'm healed from my surgery, Dad is in re-hab and doing better and I needed to get some sanding therapy for my self.
Now I Know Jaysen and Fuzz are laughing at that!! :lol: But,I promise it is therapy to me.

So this is what two coats of cured epoxy aluminum look like before I started sanding.

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This is after a light knock down with 80 grit, then 120 and 220. I will have to do some fill work as expected on the end grain and radii.
It will be fine just have to invest a little more time.
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I hope where ever you all are, you are enjoying being alive. 8)
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:56 pm
by Fuzz
Eric it is much easier to make fun of your sanding than it is to admit we do not have the self discipline to make it look as nice as what you are doing :oops:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:32 pm
by Eric1
You know I don't mind Fuzz. For what it's worth I'll bet you all just want to get on the water faster than I do.

I finished this round of sanding. The verticals look real good.

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The undersides not so much. I'm thinking I'll pull a fillet of Quick Fair over this surface and call it done.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:46 pm
by Jeff
Eric, she is really looking good!!! Is it already starting to cool down up there?? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:12 pm
by Eric1
Yes Sir! Cool and raining.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:09 pm
by Jeff
Yes, we have a tropical storm moving across today!! Lot of rain!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:23 pm
by Jaysen
Dropped here in CHS Tuesday. Was in the mid 40s several mornings. Low 70/upper 60 highs. I'm ready to move to Curacao.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:43 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:23 pm Dropped here in CHS Tuesday. Was in the mid 40s several mornings. Low 70/upper 60 highs. I'm ready to move to Curacao.
Damn boy you have turned into a real wimp :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:51 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:43 pm Damn boy you have turned into a real wimp
Yeah? So? Got a point?

<enable mode="curmudgeon">
When we left the north I said "I don't need to, I don't want to, I am not going to deal with the cold no more!!!!" I'll give you that it's pretty and will pretty much stop a zombie horde, but I just don't need to be cold. If I don't need to and don't want to, why should I?
</enable>

Take that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:01 pm
by Fuzz
I will grant you that point. My problem is any place I have been with nice weather there is TOO many people :!: When I go to pull onto the highway from my place and have to wait for one car I start the trip in a bad mood. Given that how do you think I liked driving around Florida :?:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:02 pm
by Fuzz
So now you can have your thread back Eric :oops:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:04 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:01 pm I will grant you that point. My problem is any place I have been with nice weather there is TOO many people :!: When I go to pull onto the highway from my place and have to wait for one car I start the trip in a bad mood. Given that how do you think I liked driving around Florida :?:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:12 pm
by Jaysen
Next time come up my way. You might find that it's more to your level of isolation. Not completely there, but more tolerable.

And Eric is sanding. What does he need a thread for? :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:45 pm
by Fuzz
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:24 am
by Eric1
My poor thread is run amok with scallywags and pirates! 8O
Quick! Hide the Rum!!! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:04 am
by Jaysen
We bring our own!

That aluminum oxide... how does it sand? I’m assuming it’s hard so need a bit more patience than I generally have...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:35 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:04 am We bring our own!

That aluminum oxide... how does it sand? I’m assuming it’s hard so need a bit more patience than I generally have...
Jaysen this was pure aluminum powder,It sands well though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:44 pm
by Jaysen
At least I had the aluminum part right!

So if it isn’t hard as nails, why not the graphite? Is it dirt cheap? Easier to find? Just trying to be more edumacated.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:47 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:44 pm At least I had the aluminum part right!

So if it isn’t hard as nails, why not the graphite? Is it dirt cheap? Easier to find? Just trying to be more edumacated.
Tougher not harder. Not to expensive to me. won't leave graphite streaks after epoxy is worn through. Plus I just wanted to try it! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:11 am
by Eric1
Not the original plan but the fastest way to get this done.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:48 am
by bigyellowtractor
What filler have you used there ??

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:20 am
by Eric1
bigyellowtractor wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:48 am What filler have you used there ??
This is Quick Fair. Super easy to use and sand. It is by far my favorite I've used.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:07 pm
by Jeff
Very well done Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:36 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:38 pm
by Fuzz
Eric you sure do some fine looking work.
But you are going to cry an ocean of tears the first time you crash that beauty into something :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:51 pm
by Reid
Forum Members,

I spoke with Eric today and he has asked me to share this with you all. Without going into much detail, he is in need of some prayers and support for his dad who is dealing with some health issues.

Eric, please know that you have the support of your extended family at Boat Builder Central. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, your dad, and family. All the best, friend!!!

Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:59 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric,
You do mighty nice work! Those are some top notch fillets!
I'll give you a call here shortly.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:53 pm
by danieloldhouse
Eric I'm very sad to hear this about your dad, I know very well what does it mean :( be sure of my prayers for him, best wishes my friend

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:53 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone for the prayers. I've been home about 20 minutes. They have my Dad re hydrated and his blood pressure is back to normal. He is in a very severe condition and miracles will be needed for him to get through this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:23 pm
by Fuzz
I know this is tough. Tough on everyone involved. I am hoping for the best for all of your family. In the end it is up to him and God. Sometimes they are just ready to go home and it is the best thing to happen. At least it was that way for my father.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:59 pm
by Jaysen
I’ve heard it said, and I’ve observed it myself, that much of a man can be seen in the children and grandchildren he’s helped raise. Your father is clearly one of the “real men” in the preceding generation. One of the men that demonstrated though action and instruction what it really means to be a citizen of humanity. Men like this are becoming rarer I’m our world. We should celebrate and recognize their contributions while we have time.

My wife and I will keep you all in our prayers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:43 am
by MrPaul
I'm very sorry to hear about you dad Eric. Best wishes for a recovery and prayers sent for him.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:45 am
by TomW1
As with your prayers for my family I give you mine for your dad. May he have a speedy recovery. God bless him and all of your family in this trying time.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:15 am
by Eric1
I want to thank all of my friends here for the prayers. My Brother and I came to work to finish off yesterday's and today's duties.
I completed my weekly tasks so I pulled the last of the rub rail fillets. Another 2 grams would have been nice. :| I'll wait until I sand these to mix more Quick Fair. I'm sure I'll have some places to rework. The boat work will be intermittent with all that is going on.
Dad is changing the way he wants his affairs finished so that means my brother and I have to undo a good bit of what he thought he had wanted. I wish things were different but all we could do was respect those decisions and him when he put his plans in place. This will take time to clear up.
Thanks again for your prayers, they are much needed.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:59 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:15 am
Dad is changing the way he wants his affairs finished so that means my brother and I have to undo a good bit of what he thought he had wanted. I wish things were different but all we could do was respect those decisions and him when he put his plans in place. This will take time to clear up.
Been there, and it's not easy. Eric, you're clearly good man. You'll find the proper way through.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:35 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:59 am
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:15 am
Dad is changing the way he wants his affairs finished so that means my brother and I have to undo a good bit of what he thought he had wanted. I wish things were different but all we could do was respect those decisions and him when he put his plans in place. This will take time to clear up.
Been there, and it's not easy. Eric, you're clearly good man. You'll find the proper way through.
Thank you Glossieblack.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:48 pm
by Eric1
Hi every one. I'm just sanding in a very quiet shop, no radio. no noise just me sandpaper and my thoughts. 8)
Even my girls didn't want to come sand with me today but that's okay.

As I posted yesterday, I knew there was no need to mix a small batch of Q.F. to finish these fillets.
There are always places to fill after sanding the first application.

Port side at transom.

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Further forward.

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I'm off to sand the starboard side and then go see how Dad is doing.
Hope you are having a good weekend. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:00 pm
by Jaysen
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Took a break from electrical work on the house. Walked to the neighbor’s dock. The above was waiting. Thought you might enjoy the pics as well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:08 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:00 pm 35E25845-E363-43E7-8FFA-02C266E64614.jpeg
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Took a break from electrical work on the house. Walked to the neighbor’s dock. The above was waiting. Thought you might enjoy the pics as well.
Very much So. :D I could sit there the rest of the day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:51 pm
by peter-curacao
Fillets looking good Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:54 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:51 pm Fillets looking good Eric
Thank you Peter! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking fillets!
If you need any flex paper to dress them, give me a holler. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:24 am
by PNWcx25
nicely done!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:50 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone for the kind comments! I have finished the fillet work which brings me to priming.
It's been pouring buckets of rain today so I'll wait for tomorrow to prime.
Having thought long and hard about this I plan to re-prime everything except the transom again.
I am not happy with glass and fairing compound peeking through the primer as it is.
To recap what I've done thus far.
1. Two rolled layers of S# high build. The result was an orange peeled surface. After sanding to 220 I had cut through primer.
2. That brought me to try a surface primer by EMC. It worked on transom but I hate the fumes, it rolls very sticky and does not sand as easily as the S3 primer.

So my current plan it to roll 3-4 layers of S3 to build up a sufficient thickness that will allow me to sand to a smooth finish.
I'm not Going to risk painting over this.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:56 pm
by Jaysen
Eric, I’m thinking about my experience with s3 and I’m wondering if only 5 coats is really enough for you. Will you get enough to sand to your quality standards? “High build” seems to be ... not as thick as high implies.

Really just trying to keep you sane.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 pm
by glossieblack
Eric, I admire your perseverance in getting the primer coats spot on! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:15 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:56 pm Eric, I’m thinking about my experience with s3 and I’m wondering if only 5 coats is really enough for you. Will you get enough to sand to your quality standards? “High build” seems to be ... not as thick as high implies.

Really just trying to keep you sane.
Thanks Jaysen,
You may well be correct. I plan to test sand after three over some of the thinner spots to see. If it takes 5 or more I will see it through.
glossieblack wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 pm Eric, I admire your perseverance in getting the primer coats spot on! :D
Thank You too Glossie!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:09 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, I'm at exactly the same point as you and experiencing the same high spot problems with the S3 primer. Maybe we're being too fussy but I also can't see a final finish looking good over a bad prime job. I'm planning on another two coats giving me four but I'm going to watch with interest and see how you get on. Honestly I think you're doing the right thing as your build looks great and you don't want to spoil it now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:56 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:09 pm Hi Eric, I'm at exactly the same point as you and experiencing the same high spot problems with the S3 primer. Maybe we're being too fussy but I also can't see a final finish looking good over a bad prime job. I'm planning on another two coats giving me four but I'm going to watch with interest and see how you get on. Honestly I think you're doing the right thing as your build looks great and you don't want to spoil it now.
Alan, This is all I can think to try. If this effort doesn't get me what I want I plan to paint and pray. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:18 pm
by Fuzz
I am willing to make a small wager that after the painting it is going to look great. If yours does not come out that way the rest of us might as well give up all hope :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:38 am
by Jaysen
He will still sand it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:28 am
by Eric1
Here we go. Rub Rails are primed and every spot that was showing glass or fairing compound was re-primed. :)

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Other side

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Next I'll build 3-4 coats on everything before sanding.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:41 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:28 am Next I'll build 3-4 coats on everything before sanding.
Here's the question in my mind... at what point is the surface too smooth for the topcoat? I know you'll follow the manufacturer prep, and maybe your topcoat will be some super automotive high gloss mirror paint, but everything I've seen has a 110/220 last sand.

That said, you will definitely have a drag free surface. The dedication to show boat finish really is something.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:51 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:41 am
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:28 am Next I'll build 3-4 coats on everything before sanding.
Here's the question in my mind... at what point is the surface too smooth for the topcoat? I know you'll follow the manufacturer prep, and maybe your topcoat will be some super automotive high gloss mirror paint, but everything I've seen has a 110/220 last sand.

That said, you will definitely have a drag free surface. The dedication to show boat finish really is something.
That's the kick in the Crotch Jaysen. I was smooth enough to paint. I had a 320 finish but I am very uncomfortable with the places that I could see glass and fairing mixes under the primer. My topcoat will be EMC Haze Gray flat. :lol: I may clearcoat it if the flat does not come out like I hope. I have something in mind should that be the case.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:01 am
by Jaysen
Is that the LPU? If it is I think that whats a < 220g sanded finish on primer and no more than 220 between coats. That LPU self levels in ways that will make you very uncomfortable. It's slicker than snot on a greased door knob and smoother than a glass baby's bottom. You won't know what to do with yourself...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:11 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:01 am Is that the LPU? If it is I think that whats a < 220g sanded finish on primer and no more than 220 between coats. That LPU self levels in ways that will make you very uncomfortable. It's slicker than snot on a greased door knob and smoother than a glass baby's bottom. You won't know what to do with yourself...
Forgive my ignorance Jaysen, What is LPU?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:19 am
by pee wee
it's the two-part polyurethane paint, Linear PolyUrethane. Here's some information on applying it, don't know the quality of the information:
https://homesteady.com/how-10041468-app ... thane.html

Nasty fumes from what people say, bordering on deadly to attempt spraying it without a proper industrial paint booth.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:21 am
by Marshall Moser
Linear Polyurethane

I think he's asking if you're using the Quantum product.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:25 am
by Jaysen
Yep... That quantum/LPU is what I used on Lil Bit. Even Fuzz and I can get slippery smooth boats using that stuff.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:27 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. Yes that's what I'm going to use. Rolled not sprayed. If it is anything like their primer it will require a full face respirator.
That primer taught me real quick! 8O :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:34 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:27 am Thanks Guys. Yes that's what I'm going to use. Rolled not sprayed. If it is anything like their primer it will require a full face respirator.
That primer taught me real quick! 8O :roll:
WOO HOO!!! I did something right!

I rolled it. Outside. Fumes weren't that bad straight 2 part, but I've already killed off the critical cells... The reducer though.. good lord, the plants died from that stuff.

That said DO NOT REDUCE if you are rolling. The ONE problem I had was with the layers I reduced. They did not adhere as well. They did not self level. Just a complete PITA. It could be that my prep for those layers was not the best, but no other layer has peeled off. Just the reduced. I'd use it straight out of the bottle with a decent foam roller and have at it. Should be able to stack coats on every 2hr. I'd plan for 4 coats just because (I did three plus to thin but the thinned ones were a mistake). My EMC topcoat is holding up perfectly. And I'm not nice to her.

You will love that stuff.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:55 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:34 am
WOO HOO!!! I did something right!

I rolled it. Outside. Fumes weren't that bad straight 2 part, but I've already killed off the critical cells... The reducer though.. good lord, the plants died from that stuff.

That said DO NOT REDUCE if you are rolling. The ONE problem I had was with the layers I reduced. They did not adhere as well. They did not self level. Just a complete PITA. It could be that my prep for those layers was not the best, but no other layer has peeled off. Just the reduced. I'd use it straight out of the bottle with a decent foam roller and have at it. Should be able to stack coats on every 2hr. I'd plan for 4 coats just because (I did three plus to thin but the thinned ones were a mistake). My EMC topcoat is holding up perfectly. And I'm not nice to her.

You will love that stuff.

Thanks for the heads up Jaysen. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:01 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:55 pm Thanks for the heads up Jaysen. :wink:
Just remember, I'm an idiot. Run a few test pieces. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:04 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:01 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:55 pm Thanks for the heads up Jaysen. :wink:
Just remember, I'm an idiot. Run a few test pieces. :)
I plan to and it has nothing to do with your intellect. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:49 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks already great Stephen

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:13 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:49 pm Looks already great Stephen
Thank You Peter. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:13 pm
by Capt UB
Looks great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
I love the perfectly primed boat of yours it looks fantastic and also love the discussion about paint otherwise I would have never heard the expression slicker than snot on a greased door knob. My paint is one component and one cannot compare it with your LPU but at least I know to what smoothness I have to come to and laughing at the same time all the way thinking of creased door knobs. Please show us pictures of your boat again and carry on with the funny discussion. It made my day.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:11 am
by Capt UB
gonandkarl wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 am Hi,
I love the perfectly primed boat of yours it looks fantastic and also love the discussion about paint otherwise I would have never heard the expression slicker than snot on a greased door knob. My paint is one component and one cannot compare it with your LPU but at least I know to what smoothness I have to come to and laughing at the same time all the way thinking of creased door knobs. Please show us pictures of your boat again and carry on with the funny discussion. It made my day.
Greetings from Karl

Google slicker than snot on a greased door knob

Too funny what comes up!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:39 am
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:13 pm Looks great.
Thanks Capt. UB !
gonandkarl wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:00 am Hi,
I love the perfectly primed boat of yours it looks fantastic and also love the discussion about paint otherwise I would have never heard the expression slicker than snot on a greased door knob. My paint is one component and one cannot compare it with your LPU but at least I know to what smoothness I have to come to and laughing at the same time all the way thinking of creased door knobs. Please show us pictures of your boat again and carry on with the funny discussion. It made my day.
Greetings from Karl
The wit and mirth found here are priceless! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:01 am
by glossieblack
I'm late to the party. Beautiful job Eric. :D
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:28 am Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:07 am
by Eric1
Thanks Glossie! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm
by Eric1
Well, It's been one of those days. Never the less I did some boat work.
I just finished putting the first full coat on my boat.I mixed 15 ounce and used about thirteen.

Here are the pictures.

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Other side.

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I'll roll the next coat in the morning. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:59 pm
by Jaysen
Should be just about perfect for the second by tomorrow AM. This assumes you are not like my wife keeping the shop at 92348251234 def F.

And just to remind you... water based. It might be a bit softer than you expect first thing in the morning with these cooler temps.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:01 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:59 pm Should be just about perfect for the second by tomorrow AM. This assumes you are not like my wife keeping the shop at 92348251234 def F.

And just to remind you... water based. It might be a bit softer than you expect first thing in the morning with these cooler temps.
So far Jaysen, The morning shop temp is about 66. It was 45 outside this morning when I left for work. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:35 pm
by Jeff
This boat is going to be "SLICK"!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:37 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:01 pm
Jaysen wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:59 pm Should be just about perfect for the second by tomorrow AM. This assumes you are not like my wife keeping the shop at 92348251234 def F.

And just to remind you... water based. It might be a bit softer than you expect first thing in the morning with these cooler temps.
So far Jaysen, The morning shop temp is about 66. It was 45 outside this morning when I left for work. :wink:
Fuzz and Narfi are nuts living up there. I’m almost not willing to tolerate the 65 it is here right now. I’ve gott n soft.
Jeff wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:35 pm This boat is going to be "SLICK"!!!! Jeff
I thought we covered that already... ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:38 pm
by Fuzz
It will be just fine at 65f the next day. 65f is about as warm as I ever have my shop. I do have to wait overnight for things to cure often times. As for living a little more north than you guys. Good news is it has stopped raining. Bad news is precipitation is still coming out of the sky, it is just white :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:08 pm
by Jeff
Fuzz, you stay warm up there!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:23 pm
by Capt UB
Looking good

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work on the primer. 8) Looks as good as a lot of finished paint jobs...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:27 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:41 pm Nice looking work on the primer. 8) Looks as good as a lot of finished paint jobs...
Thank You Richard. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:27 pm
by Fuzz
Eric are you sure this is your first build? Dang you do nice work :!:

No problem staying warm guys. Heck it has not even been below zero yet this year :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:43 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:27 pm Eric are you sure this is your first build? Dang you do nice work :!:

No problem staying warm guys. Heck it has not even been below zero yet this year :lol:
First build I promise. Just a cool 47 here,light jacket for me. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:52 am
by Eric1
Good Morning, The shop was 68 degrees when I started. The news is saying cold weather is coming this weekend.
I mixed another 15 ounce batch of primer and went to work. I have a second coat on the boat. It took about two hours to get it done.
I don't know why but the primer seems to be rolling better and not leaving as ruff a surface as before. The only thing that has changed from the applications previous to adding the rub rail is the temp. My speculation is the lower temp slows the "kick" in the two part primer.

Second coat.

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Opposite side.

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So Far so Good! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:11 am
by narfi
Did you use a different induction time?
Different humidity level?
Thinned differently? (probably not thinning since you are rolling?

I think either of those first two could effect application if I remember correctly from the propaganda.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:18 am
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:11 am Did you use a different induction time?
Different humidity level?
Thinned differently? (probably not thinning since you are rolling?

I think either of those first two could effect application if I remember correctly from the propaganda.
Same 15 minutes induction.
Humidity is lower.
No thinning.

I need to read back through your canoe build. I hope to have a spray set up to finish the inside.
Do recall what your best needle and spray parameters were for the primer?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:40 am
by narfi
I think a bigger needle would have helped and higher air pressure than I used. (i was robbing too much air for my face and it sprayed better when I took off the mask and used a resperator.)

It worked best over thinned with water/alcohol mix.
Ill try to go back and find specifics for you today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:02 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:43 pm
Fuzz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:27 pm Eric are you sure this is your first build? Dang you do nice work :!:

No problem staying warm guys. Heck it has not even been below zero yet this year :lol:
First build I promise. Just a cool 47 here,light jacket for me. :lol:
When you have a shop like Eric's, building a boat has to be easier!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:05 pm
by narfi
Capt UB wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:02 pm When you have a shop like Eric's, building a boat has to be easier!
Right now I am epoxy splicing panels in my wifes dining room and then carrying them out to the tent to sand in the cold..... I would love to have the space and tools eric has :)

He seems to handle teenage girls better than I could though.... I am happy with just one boy to worry about.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:36 pm
by peter-curacao
narfi wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Right now I am epoxy splicing panels in my wifes dining room
You both have your own dining room? Why even build a boat you must be rich! :P :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:36 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:36 pm
narfi wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Right now I am epoxy splicing panels in my wifes dining room
You both have your own dining room? Why even build a boat you must be rich! :P :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:39 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:36 pm
narfi wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Right now I am epoxy splicing panels in my wifes dining room
You both have your own dining room? Why even build a boat you must be rich! :P :lol:
My guess is that his house is like mine... My wife let's me pay for her place and occasionally let's me in for a feeding or two.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:32 pm
by Capt UB
I'll take a dinning room, living room or a bed room when it starts pouring ran and high winds....

This is how I cover my ass....

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:51 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:32 pm I'll take a dinning room, living room or a bed room when it starts pouring ran and high winds....

This is how I cover my ass....


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Dang it Man! That's no way to talk about your boat! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:51 am
by bateau-webmaster
For some reason Eric's thread always makes me think of a passage from a favorite book of mine:
It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.
"It's so ... black!" said Ford Prefect, "you can hardly make out its shape ... light just seems to fall into it!"
Zaphod said nothing. He had simply fallen in love.
The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.
"Your eyes just slide off it ..." said Ford in wonder. It was an emotional moment. He bit his lip.
Zaphod moved forward to it, slowly, like a man possessed - or more accurately like a man who wanted to possess. His hand reached out to stroke it. His hand stopped. His hand reached out to stroke it again. His hand stopped again.
"Come and feel the surface," he said in a hushed voice.
Ford put his hand out to feel it. His hand stopped.
"You ... you can't ..." he said.
"See?" said Zaphod, "it's just totally frictionless. This must be one mother of a mover ..."
He turned to look at Ford seriously. At least, one of his heads did - the other stayed gazing in awe at the ship.
"What do you reckon, Ford?" he said.
"You mean ... er ..." Ford looked over his shoulder. "You mean stroll off with it? You think we should?"
"No."
"Nor do I."
"But we're going to, aren't we?"
"How can we not?"

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:00 am
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:51 am For some reason Eric's thread always makes me think of a passage from a favorite book of mine:
It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.
"It's so ... black!" said Ford Prefect, "you can hardly make out its shape ... light just seems to fall into it!"
Zaphod said nothing. He had simply fallen in love.
The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.
"Your eyes just slide off it ..." said Ford in wonder. It was an emotional moment. He bit his lip.
Zaphod moved forward to it, slowly, like a man possessed - or more accurately like a man who wanted to possess. His hand reached out to stroke it. His hand stopped. His hand reached out to stroke it again. His hand stopped again.
"Come and feel the surface," he said in a hushed voice.
Ford put his hand out to feel it. His hand stopped.
"You ... you can't ..." he said.
"See?" said Zaphod, "it's just totally frictionless. This must be one mother of a mover ..."
He turned to look at Ford seriously. At least, one of his heads did - the other stayed gazing in awe at the ship.
"What do you reckon, Ford?" he said.
"You mean ... er ..." Ford looked over his shoulder. "You mean stroll off with it? You think we should?"
"No."
"Nor do I."
"But we're going to, aren't we?"
"How can we not?"
Wow Jamie! I could not expect higher praise than that. I'm honored my build moves you to think of those words.
Thank You so Very Much!!! :D 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:16 am
by Eric1
Started a little later than I planned. I had to run to Lowes for more laquer thinner (gallon #4) and some chip brishes.
Then to Walmart for more paint pans. They were out of the six inch pans so I had to settle for the four inch. The ones at Lowes are to dang thin.
Walmarts are nice and thick!
Really cool shop when I started, 63 degrees and 37 outside. I know Narfi and Fuzz are laughing their butts off at that! :lol:
Anyway, 15 ounce batch got it done but not much left over. The cool temp made the application thicker is my guess.
I'll let this cure out and test sand a couple of place Monday to see where I am.

Finish temp. :o
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Today's pictures....like yesterdays with more primer. :lol:

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Happy Veteran's Day!! I'm headed out to the barbershop. The owner is catering free BBQ to any Vet that comes by.
I'm going to take a plate to my Dad. Y'all have a good weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:25 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Eric1 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:00 am

Wow Jamie! I could not expect higher praise than that. I'm honored my build moves you to think of those words.
Thank You so Very Much!!! :D 8)
Glad to hear it! I figured you for someone who knows where his towel is. :p

Happy Veterans' day! Hope your dad is doing well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:43 pm
by PNWcx25
Wow, If I where to sand it I'd ruin it. Your prep work has really paid off.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:06 pm
by TomW1
Eric happy veteran's day and am sure your dad will enjoy that barbecue.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:04 pm
by Eric1
Thanks everyone! :)
Dad was the best I've seen him in weeks!! He's getting up and going to restroom on his own. :D
He said they are feeding him like a horse too! He ate just a few bites of the BBQ but insisted we take it home because he was full.
We have to toss it from him taking radiation etc but it made him happy.
He spoke well of the staff there except the one CNA that was somewhat kurt with him over taking med's at 3:00 am.
Dad said, "She's no nurse, She's just a rude ball washer". I laughed so hard they came in the room to check on us! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Glad to hear your Dad is doing better. :D
I think you have the primer figured out! Looks great...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:39 pm
by Jeff
Agree with AA!! Primer is really looking good now!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:29 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:04 pm Thanks everyone! :)
Dad was the best I've seen him in weeks!! He's getting up and going to restroom on his own. :D
He said they are feeding him like a horse too! He ate just a few bites of the BBQ but insisted we take it home because he was full.
We have to toss it from him taking radiation etc but it made him happy.
He spoke well of the staff there except the one CNA that was somewhat kurt with him over taking med's at 3:00 am.
Dad said, "She's no nurse, She's just a rude ball washer". I laughed so hard they came in the room to check on us! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Great news Eric! If he fights it's really good. And great work on your boat too :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:25 am
by topwater
Boats looks great , nice job with the primer :!: I wouldn't walk within 5 feet of that boat with a piece of sandpaper
i would just "F" it up :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 am
by Eric1
I want to say a heart felt thank you to all of you that are praying and sending warm thoughts for my Father and me.
It was especially good to see him doing well on Veteran's Day. He and I both see the world through Veteran's eyes. One of the few areas we still have some common ground. Military life changes the way we are and that is just a fact of the matter. Things civilians seem to shrug off, like burning our flag, enrages every Veteran I've ever known. It doesn't mean we're better than civilians, just we know the price paid.
I think it has a lot to do with who I am. I grew up as a Navy brat and enlisted when I was eighteen. I did not know it at the time but have come to realize how much I miss it and what a good choice it was. That is why I'm painting this boat Haze gray. I could have gone with any number of nice shiny colors, and had a couple picked out, but I want this boat to be a reflection of me. For that there is only one color that will suffice. When it is finished and on the water I suspect I hear a lot of comments about the ugly gray paint. I will consider those compliments from a society that can not see the world the way I do.
To all that serve or have served it is my Honor to call you Brothers and Sisters.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 pm
by Fuzz
Anyone who says something negative about the colour you chose is an idiot. And we all know you can't fix stupid.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:00 pm
by Jaysen
Yes you can. But the Supreme Court said forced sterilization is illegal.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:13 pm
by Fuzz
That is why in an informed and enlightened society abortion would be allowed for up to 50 years after conception. Either that or we just allow and enhance the Darwin effect.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:06 pm
by Jaysen
I think you need a few years between day zero and the start of the 50 year timer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:07 am
by cape man
I like the color choice a Lot!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:29 am
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all.

I test sanded a couple of places this morning with 220 and 320 paper.
I'm pretty sure I'm good to go on the primer. :D
Starting back here. The black is graphite guide coat.
I plan to work a small section at a time and not get in a hurry.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am
by Jaysen
I was wondering how long it would be till you broke out some sandpaper.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:36 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am I was wondering how long it would be till you broke out some sandpaper.
Surely you knew I would not paint over primer that was not slick. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:39 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:36 am
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am I was wondering how long it would be till you broke out some sandpaper.
Surely you knew I would not paint over primer that was not slick. :lol:
Less that and more ... you need an intervention. :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:41 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:39 am
Eric1 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:36 am
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am I was wondering how long it would be till you broke out some sandpaper.
Surely you knew I would not paint over primer that was not slick. :lol:
Less that and more ... you need an intervention. :P
:P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:26 am
by Eric1
Thought I share my sanding process. I'm working about two feet at a time I apply a light guide coat with graphite powder.
Then I sand with 220 paper just until I get a reveal from the graphite.
Next I vacuum the surface to remove the sanding dust. This helps keep the fine paper from loading.

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On the second pass I start with the foam back finger sanders I got from Richard.
Jeff, You really need to stock these if you can! VERY Usefull!!
This is all I use on the fillets and radii. You can not block sand there without cutting an edge line from the block.
Then I go back to the 220 block. After this I am 99% fair and smooth.

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Again I vacuum the surface and go to 320 paper for final finish.
This is ready for paint.

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I have revised my schedule for the end of the year. If I can just get her painted I'll be pleased. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:51 am
by Jeff
Eric, Very well done!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:21 pm
by Fuzz
320 grit paper for sanding. You are nuts my friend :!: Heck I did not even know they made boat sand paper that fine :help: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:26 pm
by Jaysen
PRIMER SHOULD NOT BE REFLECTIVE!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:28 pm
by pee wee
You have shown that with much effort and patience it is possible to achieve a superlative finish. That looks great.

Hat's off to you, sir!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:48 pm
by Capt UB
Eric does not want to turn his boat over!! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:14 pm
by TomW1
Eric, looking great going to 220 will have you ready to paint when your done unless you need another coat of primer.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:29 pm
by danieloldhouse
Eric it requires for me too much effort to follow your 3d :help: I miss one day and I've got to read 2/3 pages at least :lol: :lol: :lol: but I agree with Capt UB, you don't want to flip this boat :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:35 pm
by Eric1
danieloldhouse wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:29 pm Eric it requires for me too much effort to follow your 3d :help: I miss one day and I've got to read 2/3 pages at least :lol: :lol: :lol: but I agree with Capt UB, you don't want to flip this boat :lol:
Thanks Everyone. :D I want to flip the boat, but I'm not looking forward to building the inside.

Fuzz, You should know I have paper down to 3000 but I won't be using it on this build. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:28 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:35 pm
danieloldhouse wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:29 pm Eric it requires for me too much effort to follow your 3d :help: I miss one day and I've got to read 2/3 pages at least :lol: :lol: :lol: but I agree with Capt UB, you don't want to flip this boat :lol:
Thanks Everyone. :D I want to flip the boat, but I'm not looking forward to building the inside.

Fuzz, You should know I have paper down to 3000 but I won't be using it on this build. :lol:
Eric, It's really cool to see it turned. This is what my boat looks like turned over!
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:41 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:28 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:35 pm
danieloldhouse wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:29 pm Eric it requires for me too much effort to follow your 3d :help: I miss one day and I've got to read 2/3 pages at least :lol: :lol: :lol: but I agree with Capt UB, you don't want to flip this boat :lol:
Thanks Everyone. :D I want to flip the boat, but I'm not looking forward to building the inside.

Fuzz, You should know I have paper down to 3000 but I won't be using it on this build. :lol:
Eric, It's really cool to see it turned. This is what my boat looks like turned over!

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NICE! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 pm
by cape man
Fuzz, You should know I have paper down to 3000 but I won't be using it on this build. :lol:
Don't, not for one minute, believe you! 8) 8) (that you won't use it!)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:08 pm
by Jaysen
I expect we will hear about buffing compounds once the topcoat starts going on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The primer is looking real good!
I cherry picked the following from one of your posts. Flex sanding pads are the bomb for fine detail work.

Eric1 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:26 am
On the second pass I start with the foam back finger sanders I got from Richard.
Jeff, You really need to stock these if you can! VERY Usefull!!
This is all I use on the fillets and radii. You can not block sand there without cutting an edge line from the block.
Then I go back to the 220 block. After this I am 99% fair and smooth.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:03 pm
by danieloldhouse
cape man wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 pm
Fuzz, You should know I have paper down to 3000 but I won't be using it on this build. :lol:
Don't, not for one minute, believe you! 8) 8) (that you won't use it!)
I fully agree with you :P :P :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:58 am
by Eric1
Good Morning Friends,

Danielle and I came in this morning to get some sanding done.
Typical of this time of year I've been busy in the machine shop as customers order last minute for the holidays.
So it took until now to sand the primer on the starboard side of the boat. I'm very pleased with the results of the multiple coats of primer.
I've only had two very small spots want to "ghost" through but they are covered.

Bow.

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Side.

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I'm going to sand for a while longer then go see my Father this afternoon.
After a few more visits to the doctors, they have decided he will have to have his aorta repaired Dec. 4th.
The pacemaker will have to wait due to that condition. The oncologist will most likely not due the surgery to remove the tumor. :(
They are sending him home for Thanksgiving so we are arranging a bed etc. at my brothers house for him.
Hoping the Lord will intervene.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:50 am
by peter-curacao
If you keep going with your primer like this you won't need paint anymore :lol: looks great Stephen!
I'm sorry to hear about your father, I'm hoping with you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:58 pm
by Fuzz
First and most important is take care of Dad and we will hope for the best.

About your primer.........I know I give you a lot of grief over sanding. it is fun :lol: , but I do wonder if you might get the primer too smooth. I am no painter but it is my understanding you need some tooth for the paint to stick. Be a crying shame for you to have the type of paint problem some other really nice builds have had.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:57 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Best wishes to you and your Father. It is good that you will all be together for thanksgiving, a great time for all the family to be under one roof.

The primer looks great. I have lost count of how many coats you finally ended up with but well worth it to achieve that finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:17 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:58 pm First and most important is take care of Dad and we will hope for the best.

About your primer.........I know I give you a lot of grief over sanding. it is fun :lol: , but I do wonder if you might get the primer too smooth. I am no painter but it is my understanding you need some tooth for the paint to stick. Be a crying shame for you to have the type of paint problem some other really nice builds have had.
Thanks Buddy,
I'm pretty sure a 320 is good to go.
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:57 pm Best wishes to you and your Father. It is good that you will all be together for thanksgiving, a great time for all the family to be under one roof.

The primer looks great. I have lost count of how many coats you finally ended up with but well worth it to achieve that finish.
Thank You too.

I started with two coats of High build. I had to sand a bunch due to orange peel.
Then I tried a thinned high build coat, same as first two layers.
After that I ordered a surface primer, Rolled the transom. It was thick, sticky and smelled like the south end of a north bound mule.
It was much harder to sand. Discovered the can was past shelf life. :roll:
Called the company and they sent fresh product. After reading the data sheet I bought a full face respirator.
Mixed a small batch. It still had a very strong chemical odor but not like the nasty out of date stuff.
I rolled it over the bare spots only. It was still sticky when rolling. Sanding about the same. Decided after that I was finished with priming.
After the advice from many builders here I decided to make ply rub rails and glue those in place. That lead me to more sanding and priming.
This time the primer (high build) was rolling without orange peel. I can only guess the cooler temp and or lower humidity made a difference. I used the extra from the batch to cover the almost bare places I was not happy with. The next day I decided since things were going well I would re-prime the whole boat except the transom which is covered well. I also decided to roll three layers and test sand it over a couple of known high/ bare spots. That brings me to where I am.
So to tell the truth I'm not sure how many coats it is. Six minimum with seven over the worst spots.
What I can tell you is my shoulders and hands are aching tonight and I won't be sanding tomorrow. :lol:
If I were to start over I would have rolled four layers, even with orange peel, before I started sanding primer.
I started sanding after two because a professional builder in Portugal told me I needed to sand after every coat. Maybe that works for him and he has pictures of some very beautiful yachts, but it didn't work well for me.
Sorry for streching you ear so much but I wanted to give you an accurate answer. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:30 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
LMAO, I'll consider my ears stretched :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:34 pm
by Jaysen
I think you applied 6 but sanded off 7.

Eric1, I’ve not dealt with an aged parent. I can’t imagine the stress. Please make sure you focus on the family. Fuzz can live with a bit less boat porn and I promise the rest of us will stick around to see this through.

Use the boat for therapy if needed.
Use us for support.
Let your family use you as the pillar of strength you are.

My wife and I are a short drive away if you need us.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:46 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:34 pm I think you applied 6 but sanded off 7.

Eric1, I’ve not dealt with an aged parent. I can’t imagine the stress. Please make sure you focus on the family. Fuzz can live with a bit less boat porn and I promise the rest of us will stick around to see this through.

Use the boat for therapy if needed.
Use us for support.
Let your family use you as the pillar of strength you are.

My wife and I are a short drive away if you need us.
Thanks Buddy. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:07 am
by flyfishingmonk
Happy Thanksgiving Eric. Looking forward to more updates.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:39 pm
by TomW1
Eric missed the post on your dad the other day. Hope all went well today and your family had a nice Thanksgiving with your Dad being with you. Take care and hope all goes well with him until the operation. God bless to all of you. I really missed not being able to call my Dad today.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:16 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:39 pm Eric missed the post on your dad the other day. Hope all went well today and your family had a nice Thanksgiving with your Dad being with you. Take care and hope all goes well with him until the operation. God bless to all of you. I really missed not being able to call my Dad today.

Tom
Thanks Tom, It was a good day. My brother busted his busted his butt getting his house ready. He and my nephew Christian went and got Dad and brought him home. My sister and her kids came over and we all got to enjoy Thanksgiving together. Dad seemed to enjoy the gathering, he ate well then wanted to lay down for a while. We stayed until 3:00 then headed to my in-laws for Thanksgiving part two. Just a good day of family, food and smiles.
I wish I could that that feeling of loss from you but I can't. I know how it feels missing my wife and Mom, it's hurts. Tom I guess all I can tell you is something you already know. It hurts because you carry the Love for them in your heart, so in a sense they are always with you. Second, I believe we will have a reunion with our loved ones in God's time. For me there is comfort in that.
You have my number if ever you want to talk with a friend. Peace be with you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:05 pm
by Eric1
I came into the shop to get a little done today. Started the second side, below the spray rail.
It's gone pretty good today, made some good progress. :D

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This will be the last section today. Five hours of sanding is enough for this old fart. :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:49 pm
by Jeff
Very nice Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:57 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks great Steph 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:57 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks fantastic Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:15 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Fellas! We're heading out to find a Christmas tree tonight. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:15 pm Thank You Fellas! We're heading out to find a Christmas tree tonight. :D
Cool! 8) best time of the year! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:27 pm
by Eric1
Well I got another few hours in today. The muscle in the shoulders have said enough.
We have to go shopping again today. We didn't find a tree we all liked, so into the holiday madness we shall go.

This is all that's left to sand. :D

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Broader view.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:31 pm
by Fuzz
Lots of luck going into the mouth of the lion :help: Shopping madness is not for me :wink:

Boat is looking really good as per normal. If this is truly the last of the outside sanding are you going to paint it before or after the flip?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:37 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:31 pm Lots of luck going into the mouth of the lion :help: Shopping madness is not for me :wink:

Boat is looking really good as per normal. If this is truly the last of the outside sanding are you going to paint it before or after the flip?
Yea, Not looking forward to it. I'm not a fan of crowds or malls. I'm going to wait until later today.
Thank you Fuzz, I'm going to paint her like she is and pray for a trouble free flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:45 pm
by Fuzz
I am sure you will get it flipped with no problems. And if you do scuff the paint a little it can be fixed. I am ready to see it the right way up. But not as ready as you I bet :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:05 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:45 pm I am sure you will get it flipped with no problems. And if you do scuff the paint a little it can be fixed. I am ready to see it the right way up. But not as ready as you I bet :D
I am looking forward to a new view. I think I'll geive the paint a couple of weeks to cure before rigging her to flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:47 pm
by Fuzz
Could be good timing. If you get it painted in the next few weeks you can let it cure over the holidays.

Could not help myself on the sanding deal :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:39 pm
by flyfishingmonk
That boat is looking sharp!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:27 am
by Browndog
Way to go Eric!

I’m not a fan of crowds or traffic either. That is why I live in one of the least developed parts of the coast. The crowds I prefer are flocks of birds, herds of derr, and schools of fishes.

Once the boat is flipped it will look enormous at first. The flip got me very worried. With a dozen people, it took less than thirty minutes to lift the boat up, remove the strongback and frames, flip it in the air and then position it on its trailer. It took longer to organize the flip than the actual flip took.

Your boat looks marvelous. Sanding takes time to do it right, but surface prep is what gives a good finished surface. No doubt.

Best wishes for continued success.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:36 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Casey and Browndog. I reckon I'm like most builders, the flip seems intimidating but I think I have a plan.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:20 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:36 pm Thanks Casey and Browndog. I reckon I'm like most builders, the flip seems intimidating but I think I have a plan.
Here is some good news that might ease your mind as far as flipping is concerned. Everyone worries about it but in the 6 years I have been here I have never heard of anyone really hurting their boat during the flip :wink: There are many ways to skin that cat.......just use the one that works for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:01 pm
by TomW1
Eric don't get paranoid about it. Develop a plan and stick to it. After all Cracker Larry flipped his OD18 with a couple of winches and lifts by himself.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:48 pm
by Jaysen
CL, wenches and flipping. That sounds like all the needed words for one heck of a story. And I’m not talking about a boat story.

World is less of a place without him.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:48 pm CL, wenches and flipping. That sounds like all the needed words for one heck of a story. And I’m not talking about a boat story.
And a fine bottle of rum 8)
Jaysen wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:48 pm World is less of a place without him.
It is! I miss him here on the board

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:08 pm
by Eric1
Small celebration today, My boat is ready to paint!
Finished the sanding, rolled her outside and washed her down.
Monday I'll tape her off and wait for Christmas break to rolled the paint. :D
I just want to thank all of you for the support in building my boat, You have been fun to share this adventure with. :D

P.S. No Jaysen and Fuzz, There's nothing left to sand this time! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Other side
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Feeling good about this!
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Next time you see pictures she will be Haze Gray!!!! 8) 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:13 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:08 pm P.S. No Jaysen and Fuzz, There's nothing left to sand this time!
I'm not sure I believe you. You must have your eyes closed. You always find something to sand.

Seriously though... She looks damn near perfect. I bet you will get called a liar when you honestly answer the question "who's the manufacturer?" with "ME!".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:19 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:13 pm
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:08 pm P.S. No Jaysen and Fuzz, There's nothing left to sand this time!
I'm not sure I believe you. You must have your eyes closed. You always find something to sand.

Seriously though... She looks damn near perfect. I bet you will get called a liar when you honestly answer the question "who's the manufacturer?" with "ME!".
Thanks Buddy! I've enjoyed the joking with you. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:17 pm
by danieloldhouse
The more I watch the last picture you posted the more I'm sure at last you used the 3000 sandpaper 8) Jaysen says well, it will be hard for you to make people believe it's not a custom boat

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:21 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great Eric. I aspire to be able to achieve this level of perfection. Can’t wait to see the color go on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:10 pm
by Fuzz
Can't wait to see it in paint :!: I have no problem saying it looks better in primer than anything I have or will ever build :wink:

But I am still going to need to see it painted before truly believing the no more sanding deal :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:27 pm
by TomW1
Eric she looks good great my friend. But some how I bet you will either do some fine wet sanding on the final coat or use a polishing cream. :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:28 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:10 pm But I am still going to need to see it in the water before truly believing the no more sanding deal :lol:
I fixed it for you. You KNOW he will sand the paint a couple dozen times.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:47 pm
by peter-curacao
Cheers Buddy, can't wait to see her in navy grey, whoops there I go again, ... grey :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:30 pm
by Eric1
Thank you so much Daniel, Alan, Fuzz, Tom and Peter! I hope the finish lives up to the high remarks. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:58 am
by topwater
I guarantee you he breaks out a buffing wheel and has at it :!: All machinist are anal thats why there machinist 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:40 am
by cape man
Others have said it , but that is amazing. I can't do that, so I really appreciate the time, effort, and skill involved. I use some bright work to take people's eyes away from my finish on the hulls. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:49 am
by Dougster
I've been following this build and sure am impressed. I can't do that either. I've tried and, like Cape Man, Have some idea what it must take. Hats off to you.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:04 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:58 am I guarantee you he breaks out a buffing wheel and has at it :!: All machinist are anal thats why there machinist 8)
I'll make no promises. :lol:
Thank you Cape Man and Dougster. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:25 pm
by csotelo
Great milestone achieved my friend!

Congrats!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:10 pm
by TomW1
Eric it looks like you better get some paint on that big ol' hull today or tomorrow or it's going to be to cold for the next couple of weeks. There predicting temps in the 40's here and low's in the teens and not much higher for you. Dang these are late January temps.

Keep warm

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:57 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:10 pm Eric it looks like you better get some paint on that big ol' hull today or tomorrow or it's going to be to cold for the next couple of weeks. There predicting temps in the 40's here and low's in the teens and not much higher for you. Dang these are late January temps.

Keep warm

Tom
Yes, I saw that. Looks like I'll have to turn on the heat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:53 pm
by Capt UB
Eric,

Can you turn her over and start on the inside and paint the hull later? It's what I did/will do.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:57 pm
by Jaysen
Id think that with boats the size you guys are working with, doing all the bottom work at one time would be preferable. Once you get all that glass, wood, epoxy and foam in the hull she'll be heavy. Much easier to carefully roll a light boat than a heavy one...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm
by Fuzz
Flipping a boat is not that hard IF you have the right set up. But it takes time so you need to decide if it is worth it. I think you will do a better job of painting it with it upside down. You have gravity working for you, other way not so much. Biggest problem with painting it now is the wait and then keeping it clean while doing the inside work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:07 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm. Biggest problem with painting it now is ... keeping it clean while doing the inside work.
Basically Eric would need to keep both of us as far away as possible!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:18 pm
by Fuzz
That is very true :!: I will be needing to do a bunch of upside down sanding on my hull before painting :cry: Patience is not a strong point for me and it tends to cause me more work. And someone we know is going to want it perfect :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:41 pm
by Jaysen
Will someone be putting in scuba gear regularly? If it can’t be seen, the fish don’t care.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:42 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:01 pm Flipping a boat is not that hard IF you have the right set up. But it takes time so you need to decide if it is worth it. I think you will do a better job of painting it with it upside down. You have gravity working for you, other way not so much. Biggest problem with painting it now is the wait and then keeping it clean while doing the inside work.
I agree, Gravity will be on my side for the paint. After a couple of weeks of cure time I'll go to work on the flip.
Post flip I plan to shrink wrap for a bit of protection.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:43 pm
by Jaysen
Wait. Won’t it be preflip to protect?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:45 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:43 pm Wait. Won’t it be preflip to protect?
Not with the shrink wrap, I think what I have will be to light duty.
I still have to do some thinking on all that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:46 pm
by Fuzz
Would have never though of using shrink wrap. Not surprised you have thought of a good plan.

What is the flip plan. Straps, cradle or something else :?:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:47 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:46 pm Would have never though of using shrink wrap. Not surprised you have thought of a good plan.
Well it's a plan, Can't say how good it is. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:52 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:46 pm Would have never though of using shrink wrap. Not surprised you have thought of a good plan.

What is the flip plan. Straps, cradle or something else :?:
I’m betting rotisserie.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:54 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:47 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:46 pm Would have never though of using shrink wrap. Not surprised you have thought of a good plan.
Well it's a plan, Can't say how good it is. :wink:
Well I am sure it will be better than my boat builders equivalent of " hold my beer and watch this" :help:

Jaysen may have a winner :D We will wait and see I guess.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:06 pm
by Eric1
Well we are already talking it so here goes. I plan to build to build a cradle that is also the support for the boat once flipped.
The boat and cradle will be lifted from the strong back by forklift. Once the strong back is removed I'll sit the boat back down.
Then use the forklift to raise one of the corners of the boat to get it on it's side. Move forklift to opposite side and apply lift as I back up to get the hull righted. The cradle will be attached with strap clamps. Those will go around the circumference of the boat over the frames. The frames will be reinforced with battens of course. I have figure out how to support the sides and bottom taking into account the style line,spray rails. etc. Contact points will be padded in some form, don't know what just yet.
It's a lot to think about and I have not given it a great deal of thought.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:23 pm
by Jaysen
Consider making the “roll over” side of the frames on a 45. Then you aren’t dropping the hull over the 90 as you roll it over. Once she’s upright use the upper section to bolt on and complete the base. Make sense?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:14 pm
by Fuzz
With a fork lift it will be easy. Building a cradle will make it child’s play. Heck I rolled a 32x13 all glass hull in my shop with a crappy cradle. Of course I was young and brave back then :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:38 am
by Eric1
Hello Everyone,

I turned the heat on before I left yesterday. This morning's temp. in the shop was 65 degrees.
I checked the thermostats and two of the three were at 66. I've bumped them up to 70. I decided to go ahead and paint my test board.
I mixed 2 ozs. of paint with a 1/2 oz each of activator and reducer per EMC's instructions. This yielded a very thin liquid, I was surprised.
I really thought it would have been thicker. I waited 15 minutes instead of the ten they called for to accommodate the cooler temp.
I rolled this in two directions and finished with a very light pass in the the first direction (0,90,0). The test is not prepped anything close to the boat hull. What you are seeing is paint over one coat of primer, epoxy-aluminum and epoxy-graphite. The vertical line you see in the first picture is a strip of frog tape. I wanted to see what to expect removing the tape after paint has cured. This will help me what process I will use to apply the paint.

I rolled this thin but it covered well for a single coat!

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One minute later still shiny in places. Remember I'm wanting a flat finish.

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After thirty minutes! It's Flat!! :D

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I'm trying to figure out how much paint I'll need per coat. I think I'll mix a 12 ounce batch to start and have another twelve ounce batch and a six ounce batch pre-measured and ready to mix. Also, This did not have the fumes that the EMC primer did. I may roll the boat next week instead of waiting on our Christmas break.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:50 am
by Jaysen
I had a terrible time with the thinned EMC running too much. I'm 100% certain it was me or my method though. I did use a knife on the tape edge. I did notice that after 4 coats it did tend to lift the edge if I didn't. I tried the "remove the tape wet" but ... had issues with running :). On the unthinned layers I could remove the tape wet, but eventually just decided a knife was my answer.

I'm waiting to see how a perfectionist does it :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:03 am
by Jeff
Eric, the photos look good!! You guys try to stay warm up there!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:22 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:50 am I had a terrible time with the thinned EMC running too much. I'm 100% certain it was me or my method though. I did use a knife on the tape edge. I did notice that after 4 coats it did tend to lift the edge if I didn't. I tried the "remove the tape wet" but ... had issues with running :). On the unthinned layers I could remove the tape wet, but eventually just decided a knife was my answer.

I'm waiting to see how a perfectionist does it :)
I'm hoping to leave the tape in place between coats. I may have to wait more than 12 hours between coats and that means sanding.
We'll see, It depends on how I feel after rolling the first coat.
Jeff wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:03 am Eric, the photos look good!! You guys try to stay warm up there!! Jeff
Thank You Friend! I'd tell you the same thing but I'll bet you guys are still warm. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:26 am
by Jeff
Yep Eric, highs today in the low 80's!! But they say it will get cold this weekend, might even hit the high 50"s overnight!! That is probably swimming weather for Fuzz and Narfi!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:29 am
by Jaysen
Jeff wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:26 am Yep Eric, highs today in the low 80's!! But they say it will get cold this weekend, might even hit the high 50"s overnight!! That is probably swimming weather for Fuzz and Narfi!! Jeff
They are skinny dipping in those temps!

We need some 150proof brain bleach now that we've all got that image stuck in our heads...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:51 am
by TomW1
Eric the paint looks good. It's 32 and snowing with 4" on the ground already. :(

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:12 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:51 am Eric the paint looks good. It's 32 and snowing with 4" on the ground already. :(

Tom
Wow! Stay safe and let me know if you need anything.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:25 pm
by Eric1
I guess it's gonna stick. :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:30 pm
by Jeff
That looks too cold to me!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:33 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:30 pm That looks too cold to me!! Jeff
It is! Just spent a few hours out in this Christmas shopping.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
That snow looks nice! I love snow.
The test paint looks good. I'd leave a little bit of shine in it if it were mine, fish guts and bird poop will have a harder time sticking to it.
Good luck with the flip my friend. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am
by TomW1
Richard the snow resorts are getting about 9" or fresh up here and making more. If you want to plan a little trip. :D Boone has some pretty good skiing.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:00 pm
by Eric1
She's taped off and surface has been prepped for paint in the morning! :D

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I had to rotate the picture to get it right. It looked right from my new phone, and on my PC but when I uploaded it was turned sideways. :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:21 pm
by Bogieman
Hello from Myrtle Beach! Your boat is looking great. Wish I had a shop like that to build in.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:35 pm
by Eric1
Bogieman wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:21 pm Hello from Myrtle Beach! Your boat is looking great. Wish I had a shop like that to build in.
Hello to you friend! Thank You!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:06 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:00 pm She's taped off and surface has been prepped for paint in the morning! :D

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I had to rotate the picture to get it right. It looked right from my new phone, and on my PC but when I uploaded it was turned sideways. :help:
Ya man.... get a coat on! Can't wait to see her dressed! What color?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:26 pm
by Fuzz
What I really want to know is how in the hell you keep the shop so clean :doh:
Lots of us really looking forward to seeing her with lipstick on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:40 pm
by Jeff
Eric, can’t wait to see her after a couple of coats of EMC!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:26 pm What I really want to know is how in the hell you keep the shop so clean :doh:
The cnc machines clean it up after the workers go home. He has the nice cnc machines, mine throw saw dust and other assorted crap on the floor when I leave the shop for the night.

Looking great Eric, excited to hear you're are about to paint what I would call a work of art. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:58 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:06 pm
Ya man.... get a coat on! Can't wait to see her dressed! What color?
I'm going with EMC's Haze Gray flat. :)
Fuzz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:26 pm What I really want to know is how in the hell you keep the shop so clean :doh:
Lots of us really looking forward to seeing her with lipstick on.
We clean the shop once a week, wipe down the machines etc. There are days that are tough being machinists. My belief is a clean shop is a nicer place to work. I've worked in places that were, well..nasty. It made me dread going in. I never want an employee to feel that way. As far as the last picture, I compounded the floor to rid it from dust the last time I washed to boat.
Jeff wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:40 pm Eric, can’t wait to see her after a couple of coats of EMC!! Jeff
Hit or miss, I'll post tomorrow!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:04 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Looking great Eric, excited to hear you're are about to paint what I would call a work of art. :D
Thank You Richard! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:07 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You're welcome. I was teasing about the cnc cleanup, very nice looking and well run shop!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:16 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:07 pm You're welcome. I was teasing about the cnc cleanup, very nice looking and well run shop!
No problem, I figured you thought I knew some secret code to write to make that happen! :lol:
If I ever figure that one out I will be famous!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:27 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:58 pm
Capt UB wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:06 pm
Ya man.... get a coat on! Can't wait to see her dressed! What color?
I'm going with EMC's Haze Gray flat. :)
Fuzz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:26 pm What I really want to know is how in the hell you keep the shop so clean :doh:
Lots of us really looking forward to seeing her with lipstick on.
We clean the shop once a week, wipe down the machines etc. There are days that are tough being machinists. My belief is a clean shop is a nicer place to work. I've worked in places that were, well..nasty. It made me dread going in. I never want an employee to feel that way. As far as the last picture, I compounded the floor to rid it from dust the last time I washed to boat.
Jeff wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:40 pm Eric, can’t wait to see her after a couple of coats of EMC!! Jeff
Hit or miss, I'll post tomorrow!
Worked at a shop once that paid the techs $.50 more per flagged hour for the week to keep their work area clean. The GM walked the shop once a week with a white glove. If he found dust it went from Service Manager, to shop foreman, to porter. The porter then cleaned everything. It was amazing how a couple of breakfast tacos to him kept my area spotless. You are right, felt good walking in every morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:09 am
by Eric1
Ok, I have the first coat rolled on. I mixed 18 ounces, 12 oz paint/3 oz. activator/3 oz. reducer. Start time was 8:05, temp. was 66.5 degrees.
I gave a 15 minute induction time before rolling. It went on very easy, though it was very thin at first. I think the next coat I will wait 20-25 minutes before using the mixed paint. I finished at 9:30 and the temp was 67 degrees. I am happy with it though I'd hoped for a little better coverage. After all this is only the first coat.

Action shot. :lol:

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These are after I finished the whole boat. I'll take more pictures before lunch to verify how it has laid down after drying some.
The test board looked great after 30 minutes but it was a little warmer in the shop.

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Other side

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Transom

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Though this is my first time using EMC paint, so far I think it is Great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:12 am
by Jaysen
That's going to be one good looking paint job. Just remember not to sand off all the paint you've just put on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:13 am
by pee wee
Looks great for a first coat, and you were working without a net!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:23 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:12 am That's going to be one good looking paint job. Just remember not to sand off all the paint you've just put on.
Thank You Jaysen! :D You may be correct about the reducer. The first eight feet or so went on Extremely thin. Then the paint seemed to thicken up a bit and covered better. I'm going to try a longer induction time before I roll the second coat. I'll post the results. :wink:
pee wee wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:13 am Looks great for a first coat, and you were working without a net!
Thanks Pee Wee! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:38 am
by Jeff
Eric, Just saw the photos, really nice!! Are you going to get another coat on today?? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:42 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:38 am Eric, Just saw the photos, really nice!! Are you going to get another coat on today?? Jeff
Thank You Jeff! Thanks for the help with choosing EMC paint. Great people to work with! 8)
Yes, I'm thinking I'll start around 1:30-2:00 this afternoon. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:53 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, the paint looks great. I’m starting to see what you meant when you described the color. It really suits your boat. I’m very impressed you can do it without drop cloths. If I tried it I would end up with a boat shaped outline on the floor :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:59 am
by TomW1
That is a great looking boat for only one coat. Can't believe it only took you an hour and one half. :D Same with me Fair WX Pilot :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 am
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:53 am Hi Eric, the paint looks great. I’m starting to see what you meant when you described the color. It really suits your boat. I’m very impressed you can do it without drop cloths. If I tried it I would end up with a boat shaped outline on the floor :lol:
Thank You! I got tired of putting paper down and not needing it. :lol:
TomW1 wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:59 am That is a great looking boat for only one coat. Can't believe it only took you an hour and one half. :D Same with me Fair WX Pilot :lol:

Tom
Tom that paint went on like warm butter on a hot biscuit! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:03 pm
by Jaysen
Now I'm hungry.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:35 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Looks great!! Send us more photo's after second coat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I agree, looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:06 pm
by Capt UB
Can't wait for more. Looking great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:34 pm
by Eric1
I checked the paint at 11:50 this morning and it was already dry to the touch. That was only after two and a half hours.
I contacted EMC they said that it was fine to put on second coat. I waited until 2:30 this afternoon to start just to be sure.
Here she is after first coat had dried.

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So I mixed another batch like the first go round. I waited twenty minutes before I started rolling.
Temp was 65 degrees in the shop. This coat did not go on as well as the first. The paint seemed a little thicker and the roller never rolled evenly. It was like I could not get it saturated correctly. Paint came off the entire time splotchy like it does with a new roller when you first use it. Start time was 2:30 and I didn't finish until 4:15. To really tick me off when I got to the bow and I bent over to reach the lower part I threw out my fricken back. :x
I finished the second side and I'm paying the price. I figured what the crap, I'm gonna hurt anyway.

Here are pictures of the second coat. Yes I will be sanding with 320 before the next two coats. I may sand between each coat because for the life of me I cannot roll this with out getting roller marks. I'm feeling some frustration but then my back is hurting and I'm a SOB when I'm in pain.
Y'all be honest before you say it looks great cause I don't think so. I think it looks good but not great. Remember I have zero experiance and don't know what to expect. I'm going home to a hot shower, some ben gay ointment and a bowl of soup.

Second coat, the light spots are still wet.

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Last of the second coat still wet as can be.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:42 pm
by Jeff
Eric, The transom photo looks really good but there appears to be a glare from the lighting in the other photo's. For example, the initial photo of the second coat looks blue to me and I know it is not!! Regardless it looks good!! Take care of your back and I hope your dad has a better weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:46 pm
by Jaysen
Looks good for a second coat. Remember that this stuff is self leveling. And you are going in thin. I wouldn’t wait so long as it seems to me the thinner doesn’t increase working time but just waters down the media. Also be very careful with the sanding. You have to get the hull very very very clean to get good adhesion on subsequent layers.

I love that EMC. I’m seriously wondering why I painted my bathroom with latex and not EMC.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 pm
by TomW1
Eric the boat looks good. Your painting on the lower range of the temperature allowance so let it set for a few hours before making decisions on what your next step is.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Your paint job will turn out fine.
Give it time to dry, it will look much better in the morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:11 pm
by Fuzz
I do not know jack about painting but I am pretty darn sure yours is going to turn out just fine. A couple more coats and it is going to pop :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:13 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:46 pm I love that EMC. I’m seriously wondering why I painted my bathroom with latex and not EMC.
I was going to say what about the fumes but I guess that point is moot! :lol:

Good points Tom and Richard. I'm at home and won't decide until we see what tomorrow brings.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:59 pm
by Jaysen
I think “toot” is more appropriate that “moot”. But now being childish.

I actually found the EMC fumes to be tolerable. More so than the stuff we used to remove glue/mastic from the concrete. The thing I like about the EMC is that is looks GOOD no matter how you put it on as long as you follow their directions. Never did get a brush streak with EMC. Can't cover the brush stokes im leaving in the latex.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:48 am
by Dougster
I've had the same good experience with EMC. The second coat make it pop. Three coats is probably ideal. I didn't smell it much with the 3M repirator I used and think it's best to be careful with the stuff.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:59 am
by Eric1
Second coat status. I just got off the phone with EMC and after seeing my pictures and talking with Robin. She seems to think I was pressing the roller to hard. I tend to believe this is the case as I could not get the paint to roll evenly. She is going to have John look at the pictures and get beck to me.
Here are the photos for the forum's amusement.

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Same crap, other side.

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Still down in my back so repair will not start today. I did sand over one of these overlap places with 320. It gets rid of it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:18 am
by Capt UB
That sucks, but still a great looking hull. She is going to be an eye catcher when done.
What rollers are you using?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:00 am
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:18 am That sucks, but still a great looking hull. She is going to be any eye catcher when done.
What rollers are you using?
High density foam, same ones they sell here.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:57 am
by glossieblack
A little less roller pressure sounds like a good way forward. Look after that back.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:17 am
by Jeff
Eric, sorry about the second coat!! Glad Robin @ EMC is assisting you, she is really good and will get answers for you!! Take care of that back!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:19 am
by Jaysen
Just keep painting... just keep painting... just keep painting.

I know you prefer to swap "sanding" for painting, but I think you are ok. Nothing there actually looks problematic. I'd keep on with the painting just making small adjustments (like the roller pressure). It will come out damn near perfect based on everything else you've done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:33 am
by Marshall Moser
Based on the amount you used, i'd say you were right around 1.5-2 mils. Coverage is 3 mils. I'd recoat before I sanded or polished.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:29 pm
by Fuzz
Ok so like I said I know nothing about painting but what is the problem here :doh:
I understand the paint is very thin and if so I would expect it to take a number of coats before it looks right.
Just looking for a little education here :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:09 pm
by Eric1
After another conversation with EMC the consensus is I was rolling with to much pressure.
The resolve:
I'm going to sand this down with 220/320 to remove the few runs and to get back to a nice surface.
Then I'll either roll three to four coats and finish sand if needed using much lighter roll pressure.
Or I'll say to hell with it and roll three or more coats on her and sand/cut and buff until slick.

Wish I knew what I was doing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:14 pm
by narfi
So the question is this,
Who makes the most money from Eric sanding again?
Fuzz or Jason?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:26 pm
by Marshall Moser
Eric1 wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:09 pm I'm going to sand this down with 220/320 to remove the few runs and to get back to a nice surface.
Then I'll either roll three to four coats and finish sand if needed using much lighter roll pressure.
Or I'll say to hell with it and roll three or more coats on her and sand/cut and buff until slick.
I'd go with the latter. I'm sure what you feel are "runs" are just thick enough to cover solidly and won't be visible with a correct film.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:23 pm
by Eric1
Marshall Moser wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:26 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:09 pm I'm going to sand this down with 220/320 to remove the few runs and to get back to a nice surface.
Then I'll either roll three to four coats and finish sand if needed using much lighter roll pressure.
Or I'll say to hell with it and roll three or more coats on her and sand/cut and buff until slick.
I'd go with the latter. I'm sure what you feel are "runs" are just thick enough to cover solidly and won't be visible with a correct film.
I gottta be honest, I'm leaning that way. There are four runs I can feel with my finger and are raised, these will get knocked down. The "transitions" I can see but when I close my eyes and run my finger across them I can't tell beginning nor end. I think it best I step away for a couple of days, heal my back and decide what to do. Everyone including EMC is saying to keep painting. I have to trust what all y'all are saying.

And By the way Thank You all for the help.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:33 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I agree with you, step back for a couple of days as painting cannot be good for your back!! Have you guys decided when you are closing the shop? Happy holidays to you and the family, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:11 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:33 pm Eric, I agree with you, step back for a couple of days as painting cannot be good for your back!! Have you guys decided when you are closing the shop? Happy holidays to you and the family, Jeff
Same to you Jeff! We are going to shut down Wednesday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:03 pm
by cape_fisherman
Did you ever consider spraying it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:47 pm
by Eric1
cape_fisherman wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:03 pm Did you ever consider spraying it?
I'm thinking about trying it. I've just never done it before.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:06 pm
by cape_fisherman
Cheap (read: disposable) gun(s) from Harbor Freight or similar. Fair out some scrap & give it a go. Might work out for you. Looking real good by-the-way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:57 pm
by fallguy1000
Going out on a limb for you here.

If you roll with the frame side of the roller facing the finished edge; you’ll get roller marks with fine paints.

Make sure you roll with the frame side to the new and the open end of the roller to finished work.

Also; if you are getting roller marks; reduce the roller nap.

I didn’t read the entire post, but seems relevant unless you tipped, too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:16 am
by glossieblack
Season's best to you and yours Eric, I'm really enjoying your build. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:38 pm
by Fuzz
Repeat what Glossieblack said :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:50 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the advice and well wishes. I hope you all have a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:45 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:47 pm
cape_fisherman wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:03 pm Did you ever consider spraying it?
I'm thinking about trying it. I've just never done it before.
If you wanna do that you should buy a Graco or a Wagner airless pump, they're quite cheap and easy to use and the results are peerless. Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and your family too Eric, and even to all the folks on this forum :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:59 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric, I'm thinking about shooting the EMC on the FS18.
I'll probably do it next week, hopefully I can give you a good report if it works out.
Merry Christmas to you!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:07 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:59 am Eric, I'm thinking about shooting the EMC on the FS18.
I'll probably do it next week, hopefully I can give you a good report if it works out.
Merry Christmas to you!
Merry Christmas Richard! Look forward to your results! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:20 pm
by Eric1
I went to shop yesterday and sanded half the boat. I had sprayed a coat of the clear I'll use on my test board. If I decide to go this way here is the look.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:28 pm
by Jeff
I like the clear coat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:35 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:28 pm I like the clear coat!! Jeff
It's growing on me. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:45 pm
by Jaysen
did you want shiny?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:48 pm
by Eric1
I thought I wanted flat but I'm not certain. Nothing written in stone.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:55 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The clear coat looks good and it will be much easier to keep clean / maintain. I would think a flat finish would be much harder to prevent stains from mud and algae etc. Plus I like the straight tape lines you even managed to get on your test piece :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:09 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:55 pm The clear coat looks good and it will be much easier to keep clean / maintain. I would think a flat finish would be much harder to prevent stains from mud and algae etc. Plus I like the straight tape lines you even managed to get on your test piece :(
I'm thinking the same thing. I'm sorry I didn't document the taping better. I hate you had all the bleed through.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:25 pm
by Fuzz
Me thinks the truth here is having a shiny finish gives you an excuse to do more sanding :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:49 am
by glossieblack
Eric, for what it's worth, my 2 cents worth: Given your meticulous preparatory work and attention to getting the painting right, initially she'll look just great. But as night follows day, over time, you'll ding her, as will others. How she ages will depend on how invisibly you can repair the dings. If initially you choose a simple approach to painting, repairs will be simple. But if you choose a complicated approach (e.g. applying a flattening paste to achieve semi-gloss, then clear gloss to achieve shinny),chances are that unless you do a total repaint when repairing dings, she'll end up looking patchy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:49 am
by Browndog
Complicated? For Eric?

That is hard to fathom. He doesn’t neeed no stinkin’ badges!!

I’m confident that whatever Eric has in his mind, his ingenuity and hard work will see it to fruition. My guess is that he hasn’t quite decided yet on what he wants. He’s just playing around with the options still. When he figures it out, it will set a new standard for quality. That is how he rolls.

Fun to watch and learn from though.

Some of us, myself included, are more the, “Hold my beer and watch this.” type of guys. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:47 pm
by TomW1
Eric I am not so sure I would put the Clear Coat on her. It will complicate any repairs. I would go with just the straight gray. I like the shiny gray of my OD18 which you saw. You will be able to fix any dings easily with the EMC paint,

Hope you had a Merry Christmas with the family.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:12 pm
by Jaysen
Just because I like to point out the obvious....

It's a lot easier to add clear coat than it is to take it off. Maybe give it a bit with just the flat EMC and see how you feel about it on the water then add clear if you really want it later.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I would suggest painting your boat with plenty of coats of EMC that is not flattened.
You can play with the sheen as you buff out any imperfections.
There is a myriad of buffing compounds and wet sanding techniques you can use to get yourself happy with the final finish.
To me to flatten and then clear coat is adding an unnecessary process.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:46 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys, The paint is a flat fro EMC. I'm not adding anything to make it flat.
Lots of painting to do before I decide whether to clear or not. I just wanted to see how it would look. :D



On a different subject, I'm a non smoker now. 8)
I have not smoked for seven days now. I've been taking Chantix but I can't stand the side effects any further.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:51 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Congratulations Mate, keep it up. I know its tough now but its a great decision for both you and your family. If nothing else, think of all the extra cash you will have to spend on the boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:53 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:51 pm Congratulations Mate, keep it up. I know its tough now but its a great decision for both you and your family. If nothing else, think of all the extra cash you will have to spend on the boat.
Thank You! It's been long overdue. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Congratulations on quitting smoking.
I chewed Copenhagen for 20 years off and mostly on but quit for good several years ago.
Saw a snuff chewing buddy lose his tongue and half of his neck. Got my attention!
It's tough but you are tougher. You can do it. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:32 pm
by cape man
Go shiny.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:35 pm
by TomW1
Talk to Jeff and see if you can trade the flat paint for the regular high gloss paint. You may only need to switch an add in. Also missed that you had stopped smoking congrats it will be a year for me next month, you can do it!!

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:55 am
by Fuzz
Congratulations on quitting smoking :!: That is one trick I have yet to master.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:17 am
by glossieblack
Eric, on balance and for what it's worth, I hope you stick with your original instinct to go with float haze gray and away, no clear gloss top coat, for two reasons: it's cultural resonance with you personally, and because ding repairs will be easy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:18 am
by seaslug
I say, port side flat, starboard side glossy. This boat should never see water again after the initial splash and photo shoot, but instead, be stored in a climate controlled room for safe keeping, and an inspiration to all future builders, and crazy people that just love the sound of an orbital sander. A fantastic job so far Eric, regardless of the sheen you decide on, and congratulations on quitting smoking. It probably won't be easy, but it will be the number one best decision you'll ever make in your life. I was lucky enough to somehow make that right decision when I was 17, unfortunately though I fell in love with alcohol at 16, and didn't quit until I was close to death at 54. 8 1/2 years later my life is so much better, still married, and my son doesn't have any memories of a drunken and deteriorating father. It's never too late to make a positive change in your life, stay strong, and never look back my friend. Now build on, it's hard to smoke with a sander in hand, and a respirator stuck on your face. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:51 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:46 pm Thanks Guys, The paint is a flat fro EMC. I'm not adding anything to make it flat.
Lots of painting to do before I decide whether to clear or not. I just wanted to see how it would look. :D

On a different subject, I'm a non smoker now. 8)
I have not smoked for seven days now. I've been taking Chantix but I can't stand the side effects any further.
Smoking in front of children is reprehensible. I'm merciless about it; even though I will enjoy a cigar once in a great while. Congratulations and good luck with it. I quit cold turkey about 30 years ago, but wasn't addicted real bad. I couldn't stand the idea of being addicted to some other guys means of making a buck. The kids thing just developed over the years of seeing people smoking with kids in the car.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:29 am
by OrangeQuest
Quadruple by pass had me stop smoking cold turkey. The damage is done to the heart but I feel great now, for being 10 years older.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:17 pm
by pee wee
I quit about 25 years ago, and I don't miss it a bit. One thing I had to deal with at the time (went cold turkey) was triggers- those things that I did that I associated with smoking. I gave up coffee for a few months because I was used to a coffee in one hand and a cigarette in the other. After I got used to not smoking I came back to the coffee. I told myself that while mentally I had quit smoking, my body still had some cravings and my body would just have to get over it. Once you get it clear in your mind that you don't want to be a smoker anymore, you can win.

Congratulations, Eric. Your food is going to taste better, your sense of smell will be more acute, your clothing won't stink . . . and your kids may have their dad for a while longer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:24 pm
by Jeff
Eric, not sure I can add any real value based on all of the previous experience & congrats!! Just glad you are quitting!! Happy holidays, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:36 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone for the encouragement. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:38 pm
by Eric1
I was feeling outside of my own skin so I left the house. I went and finished sanding the boat for the next round of paint.
I need to wash it but it's to cold for that today.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:23 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, the boat looks great as usual. Please feel free to tell me to wind my neck in but I’ve been so captivated with the quality of your finish I only just realized I don’t see anywhere for a bow eye in your hull. I’m only mentioning it as on mine I had to shape around the eye to get a flat surface for it to bear on and your shooting final color which will make it difficult if you intend to do the same. I’m sure you probably have this in hand already.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:16 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:23 pm Hi Eric, the boat looks great as usual. Please feel free to tell me to wind my neck in but I’ve been so captivated with the quality of your finish I only just realized I don’t see anywhere for a bow eye in your hull. I’m only mentioning it as on mine I had to shape around the eye to get a flat surface for it to bear on and your shooting final color which will make it difficult if you intend to do the same. I’m sure you probably have this in hand already.
I would never do that. You raise a good point. The reason there is no eye yet is I thought it would be best to do after I reinforce the area behind it, on the inside of the boat. Worse case I can machine a piece of stainless to conform the hull shape on one side with a flat surface for the eye. Remember, I have no idea what I'm doing, first and only build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:20 am
by cape man
Good call on the bow eye. You can easily install it later with a solid backing plate inside without damaging the paint job.

Boat looks awesome. On second thought, I second GB's call for a flat finish. She'll look very aggressive!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:37 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Eric1 wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:16 pm
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:23 pm Hi Eric, the boat looks great as usual. Please feel free to tell me to wind my neck in but I’ve been so captivated with the quality of your finish I only just realized I don’t see anywhere for a bow eye in your hull. I’m only mentioning it as on mine I had to shape around the eye to get a flat surface for it to bear on and your shooting final color which will make it difficult if you intend to do the same. I’m sure you probably have this in hand already.
I would never do that. You raise a good point. The reason there is no eye yet is I thought it would be best to do after I reinforce the area behind it, on the inside of the boat. Worse case I can machine a piece of stainless to conform the hull shape on one side with a flat surface for the eye. Remember, I have no idea what I'm doing, first and only build.
lol, I have no idea what I’m doing either. It’s my first boat build to so I’m still trying to remember pointed end to the front (opposite to aero planes). Machining a backer for the eye sounds like a great idea, wish I had thought of that when I did mine. Happy New Year.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:13 pm
by TomW1
Happy New Year Eric. I really like the paint as she is, it has grown on me. You must have liked it at some point or you would not have ordered it, me thinks. As far as the bow eye goes most come with an exterior and interior plate. The C21 has a pretty large round over at the bow so you may not have to do much for the exterior plate.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:50 pm
by Dutch1
Eric,
It's my first build as well and maybe I just had some dumb luck but here's what I did. My first bright idea was to put a flapper disk on my grinder and use that. DON'T DO THAT!! Holy crap! I was having a dumba## moment I guess. Let's just say it wanted to go a lot faster than I wanted it to go.

Tom's right about the int/ext plate. After I realized I had the wrong tool for the job, I just took the exterior plate and stuck it on there with some tape and walked around to get a good look at where it would sit. Once I liked it, I sat there with an orbital sander on a slower speed and sanded down until it sat flat where it would go and was even on both sides. I did take my time with it. I'm pleased with how it turned out.

I hope this helps. I've loved watching your build!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:47 pm
by Eric1
Well we finally hit the the sixties again. so I got the hull washed. Taping tomorrow painting again Friday.
I don't think I can use the clear coat I found. It's a laquer base. I'm not sure how that will hold up over time. No matter, I have to lay down more paint first anyway. After that I'll decide what to do next.


Washed
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:57 pm
by jacquesmm
I think I see a spot somewhere in the middle on the port side.
Unacceptable.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That must be the cleanest build we have ever seen on this forum.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:25 pm
by Jeff
I agree with Jacques!!!! Super nice Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work Eric! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:16 pm
by Fuzz
I am still amazed at no plastic on the floor and no mess. You would have a boat outline on the floor if I did it for sure.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:29 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks really nice Mate.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:46 pm
by glossieblack
Really looking forward to seeing the haze gray going on. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:23 am
by Eric1
Thank You Jacques,Jeff,Richard,Fuzz,Alan and Glossie! :D
I started this morning with a wipe down. Then I mixed another 18 ounces of paint.
Rolled smoother than last coat. Robin at EMC sent me some of their rollers to try. They are 6 1/2" long and a bit softer.
I like them better than the others. Jeff is going to stock these for BBC for everyone too!!

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I had enough to put a partial forth coat on transom.

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It was 67 degrees at start and 68 at finish. I took two hours to roll it out today. I think I'll just go with one coat today.
Then Monday lightly scuff and wait for another warm day for next coat. Highs in the 60's today the back to 30-40 over the weekend. :lol:


Lastly I have passed the three week mark without a smoke! I'm breathing so much better than I was, it feels great!! 8) 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 am
by flyfishingmonk
Looks great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:58 am
by Jeff
Eric, yes that looks great!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:33 am
by Fuzz
Looking really good! Bet you will be happy to be done with this part.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:50 am
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great, well done on the three weeks!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:14 am
by TomW1
Eric it looks great. I am coming up on a year not smoking after starting in the Navy 40 years ago so excellent. Once you get by the second month you can start to see the end of it but I am still using the 2mge lozenges cut in half and then in half again so I am only getting .5mg of nicotine when i suck on one. Want to be off them shortly.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:16 am
by glossieblack
Well built and well breathed Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:48 am
by Aripeka Angler
The paint is looking great! You are going to have quite a head turner at the dock!
This is kind of off topic but it made me think of you.
I am putting casework in a brand new machine shop right next to Lakeland Linder airport.
The young fellow who owns it is very nice. I'm thinking the youngster is about 35. He has 18 employees and is upgrading from a smaller facility.
Here is his website, it's pretty interesting.
http://ferreratooling.com/

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:20 am
by OrangeQuest
Boats looking good!

Food should start tasting different also. I went through a lot of gum the first few months. "Orbits" good flavor but doesn't last long but I used them every time I wanted to light up. Keep up the good work and power to the resistance.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:13 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! :D

Great Job Tom!! At this point you should try switching to plain gum.You Can Do It! 8)

Richard that is interesting to me too. I wish him well, it's not a fun business to stay in.
It was fun when I was 35 but not so much now. Now it's a game of can you match the cheap rates of Slovinia, Yakoffstan and the like.
I lost $200k right before Christmas for the coming year. My price was $5.36 per part, the Slovinia price is $3.88. The difference is the labor rate.
A machinist over there makes about 10-12k a year. My average employee makes 25k. We can't live on much less, Hell, it's hard to get by on that.


Orange Quest , Food is tasting very different. Coffee doesn't seem as good and I'm cutting way back on the salt shaker.
I can't believe how much the cigs masked my sense of taste.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:11 pm
by Fuzz
So are you getting close to done with the painting?
And what is the plan for the great flip?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:19 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz, I'm thinking one or two more coats. Then frame and flip. If I go with gloss it will be towards the end of the build. Heck I have to finish the rub rails after the flip so it's just not wise to try to finish the paint until later.

I also have to machine/fabricate some things for the extended forks I bought for the forklift. The way they are made will not work on my lift.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:30 pm
by Fuzz
I think it is a good move to wait on final painting till the end. If you are like me sooner or later you will drip something on the sides no matter how hard you try not to.
As for the flip I am sure you will come up with something a lot better than my usual "hold my beer and watch this" method. I do think it will be easier than most folks think. The biggest stress is all self induced before the flip. The actual flip turns into a non event.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 pm
by Eric1
I sure hope you arte right. I'm just going to wing it. Everyone says I overbuild everything I do anyway . :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:24 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Again, congratulations on quitting the smokes!! Well done!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:13 am
Richard that is interesting to me too. I wish him well, it's not a fun business to stay in.
It was fun when I was 35 but not so much now. Now it's a game of can you match the cheap rates of Slovinia, Yakoffstan and the like.
I lost $200k right before Christmas for the coming year. My price was $5.36 per part, the Slovinia price is $3.88. The difference is the labor rate.
A machinist over there makes about 10-12k a year. My average employee makes 25k. We can't live on much less, Hell, it's hard to get by on that.
I hear you brother.
We have competition that pay their workers nothing and try to undercut us with cheap labor and material.
We pay twice as much as them and provide free health insurance.
It gets a little harder each year.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:19 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:30 pm my usual "hold my beer and watch this" method.
Is it patented? If so I may owe you some licensing payments...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:28 pm
by Fuzz
No patent but I am sure you owe me beers for something Jaysen :lol:
I have noticed it seems to happen much less often the older you get :wink:

Not sure how anyone makes it in this country at times. Even with my company retirement benefits picking up part of my heath insurance cost it still is more than the house mortgage. If you are picking up the insurance cost that is a huge benefit AA :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm
by Eric1
Back to the freeze today, 19 degrees this morning. I figure my Buddy Tom is hitting single digits in Bryson City.
They are calling for snow tomorrow night and Wednesday.
Anyway, I sanded the third coat lightly. It's ready for another bath and the last coat of paint. Paint is much more even this time hard edge lines are all but gone. I'm please with this.

Pictures of the progress. The whitish area is just a reflection of light. It looks like I cut through the paint but I didn't.

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You can see where I "cut in" the sanding with foam sanders in the next picture.

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Last one.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:53 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks fantastic mate. We’re getting snow tomorrow also. Only another three month to go!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:57 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I agree with Alan, just fantastic!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:03 pm
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:53 pm Looks fantastic mate. We’re getting snow tomorrow also. Only another three month to go!
Thanks Alan! I'm hoping only another month down here.
Jeff wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:57 pm Eric, I agree with Alan, just fantastic!! Jeff
Thank You Too Jeff!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:25 pm
by TomW1
:D :lol: :D Yea it was 9 when I got up and there was still snow on the ground from 2 day ago. But it is going to warm up to normal 40 degree days and teens to 20's in the early morning.

For the bad news I had a growth removed from my tongue today. Will get the results at the end of the week. Hopefully not the big C from my 40 years of smoking. :doh:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:52 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:25 pm :D :lol: :D Yea it was 9 when I got up and there was still snow on the ground from 2 day ago. But it is going to warm up to normal 40 degree days and teens to 20's in the early morning.

For the bad news I had a growth removed from my tongue today. Will get the results at the end of the week. Hopefully not the big C from my 40 years of smoking. :doh:

Tom
Praying it's nothing Tom!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:13 pm
by Fuzz
Hope the best for you Tom.

Eric the boat is looking way good. But then I have to say I am not surprised :wink:
PM sent

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:25 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Fuzz and welcome to the dark side. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:52 pm
by glossieblack
Great job Eric, and good luck Tom.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:52 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Eric, looks great!

Tom, praying.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 pm
by alanmccabe
Hull looks great, Very envious of that workshop looks enormous .

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:34 pm
by Eric1
alanmccabe wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 pm Hull looks great, Very envious of that workshop looks enormous .
Thank You my Friend. :D
15k square feet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 pm
by Browndog
Looking good Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:36 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 pm Looking good Eric!
Thank You Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:44 pm
by Fuzz
15k square feet :!: I bet you could raise a family of 12 on your utility bill :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:36 am
by Jeff
Fuzz, I agree with you!! Eric's building is totally climate controlled, nice!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:41 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:44 pm 15k square feet :!: I bet you could raise a family of 12 on your utility bill :help:
It's only bad in summer, 3k plus. We have a bunch of fresh snow here. Tv,net and phone are down at home.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:30 pm
by Eric1
I've reconnected to the Matrix. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:31 pm
by Jeff
Not good Eric!! My sister in Carrollton, GA has the same circumstances. They have a sheet of ice and then a couple of inches of snow on the ground in GA!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:41 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:31 pm Not good Eric!! My sister in Carrollton, GA has the same circumstances. They have a sheet of ice and then a couple of inches of snow on the ground in GA!!
This is us today Jeff.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:48 pm
by Jeff
OK, you beat GA on the snow!!! Tough winter for you guys!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:04 pm
by cape man
snowing in Florida!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:21 pm
by Fuzz
Snowing in Florida, amazing.
Eric you have more snow in your yard than I do and I am not kidding. Something aint right here :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:49 pm
by Jeff
Crazy winter fellows!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:09 pm
by narfi
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:21 pm Snowing in Florida, amazing.
Eric you have more snow in your yard than I do and I am not kidding. Something aint right here :doh:
I agree!
Have to admit that picture made me kind of jealous o.0

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:26 pm
by TomW1
You beat me too this time. Only had about an inch and a half when I got up. With it only being 20 degrees not much is melting.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:36 pm
by Jeff
Tom, I apologize, I had intended to send you a note wishing you the best with your health!! Sorry to rob your forum thread Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:30 pm
by csotelo
Nice paint job man!

Not even production boats are so sleek.

Congrats!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:38 pm
by pee wee
I assume you've got a 40mm Bofors planned for the fore deck? If not, might want to think about it! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:55 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:30 pm Nice paint job man!

Not even production boats are so sleek.

Congrats!
Thanks Carlos!
pee wee wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:38 pm I assume you've got a 40mm Bofors planned for the fore deck? If not, might want to think about it! :D
Maybe the 20mm. :lol: I was thinking M2 on bow and Minigun at stern! 8) Don't matter, today's trip to the dentist is bleeding off the capital for those options. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:59 pm
by Eric1
Last Bath before the Flip. Paint tomorrow if I'm lucky. I'm gonna call around and get a price from a rigger to do the flip before I spend money to build the frame and flip it my self.

Here is the boat after washing. That's my Brother Mark in the picture.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:23 pm
by Fuzz
Now you get a good feel for the size of that puppy with your brother in the picture.
Boom truck, 10-15 foot spreader bar and a couple of nylon slings. If he is any good you will be done in under 30 minutes :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:54 pm
by glossieblack
Happy painting, happy flipping. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:51 am
by Fuzz
You will probably be busy during the flip so how about getting someone else to take pictures and then post them :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:55 am
by Bogieman
Holy cow that thing is HUGE!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:49 am
by Eric1
Bogieman wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:55 am Holy cow that thing is HUGE!
I get that all the time! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:05 pm
by Capt UB
Looking great, this is one big mother....


Shoot a Youtube video..... Just set the camera up turn it on and walk away. Later edit it and post to us.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:34 pm
by TomW1
Can't wait to see her right side up. Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:53 am
by Eric1
Last coat of paint is on. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:06 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks fantastic, certainly going to turn some heads when that arrives at the dock. Might make a few people nervous to :D .

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:10 am
by pee wee
Maybe an orange diagonal accent stripe?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:41 pm
by Jeff
Eric, looks like the paint went on well this morning!! Looks great in the photos!! Did your nephew watch for runs for you this morning??? Again, looks great!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:33 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! Yes Jeff, Christian hang with me and watched for run etc. After paint we went to Asian Supermarket for some 2x ramen noodles and a Bahn Mi!! He chickenend out on the 2x and got regular spicy and said no thanks on the sandwich. He missed out!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:43 pm
by Fuzz
Boat is looking really nice but that is no surprise :wink:
So what is the best guess on timing for the big flip?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:18 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Fuzz, I figure at least a week out. I want the paint to be cured.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:51 pm
by glossieblack
A milestone passed with high distinction.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:53 pm
by peter-curacao
Well done Steph
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:33 pm After paint we went to Asian Supermarket for some 2x ramen noodles and a Bahn Mi!! He chichenend out on the 2x and got regular spicy and said no thanks on the sandwich. He missed out!
Haha :lol: I should invite you guys to The Netherlands and take you guys to some "Chinese"/Indonesian restaurants over there! something with spices and V.O.C and stuff :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:19 am
by Eric1
Well the paint has dried from Saturday. Even though I wiped the boat down with the EMC cleaner I have some place where something was on the surface and it didn't take the paint well. From what I can tell it was from the new sponge I wiped the water off the boat with Friday after the wash. Every place I touched with the sponge has a oily film. Some of which was carried in the water runoff and contaminated the surface.
I've had enough of this for now and I'm going to proceed with the flip and continue building. My reasoning is I will most likely have to paint/repair after I finish building the inside. If you look close you can see the effect around the bow at the spray rail ends. C'est la vie. :roll:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:37 am
by csotelo
Looking good my friend!

As you said, these minor details you can fix when fixing some scratches that could happened during the inside building, or you can learn how to live with them. :D

A lot of minor details that I had in the bottom, I don´t even remember where they are now...

Regards,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:52 am
by Jaysen
So... when the time comes...

If you hit the paint with a medium-high pressure, say a bit more than a garden hose, anything that is not firmly adhered will come off easily. Just keep spraying until nothing comes loose, feather the edges, LIGHTLY scuff the areas to repaint, then ... paint. Just don't sand it like it's fairing compound and you'll get good results :P

Please don't ask me how I know this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:17 am
by cvincent
Eric,

Your boat is looking great. I did not realize how big your boat is until I saw the picture with your brother standing next to the hull.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:03 pm
by Eric1
cvincent wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:17 am Eric,

Your boat is looking great. I did not realize how big your boat is until I saw the picture with your brother standing next to the hull.
Thank You. A lot of people are saying that. I knew it was a big boat from the plans and previous build pictures.
This picture sold me on the design.

http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage.php?pid=4819

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:41 pm
by Jeff
She is a beast but a really beautiful boat!! Nice lines!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:33 pm
by Fuzz
And after the flip just think of all that virgin territory you will have to sand :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:03 pm
by OrangeQuest
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:33 pm And after the flip just think of all that virgin territory you will have to sand :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:10 pm
by Capt UB
Found one of these on Creaigslist... Could help! ;)
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:21 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:33 pm And after the flip just think of all that virgin territory you will have to sand :lol:
I knew Richard Cranium would have to bring up new territory to sand! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:25 pm
by Fuzz
Sorry.................the devil made me do it :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:56 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:25 pm Sorry.................the devil made me do it :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:09 pm
by glossieblack
Looking forward to seeing her flipped once her paint is hard. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:00 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:09 pm Looking forward to seeing her flipped once her paint is hard. :D
Thank You Sir!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:02 pm
by Jaysen
How many 250s are you hanging off the back of that thing?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:19 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:02 pm How many 250s are you hanging off the back of that thing?
Maybe a single 150 or 175. Yamaha shows only a 5 lb difference in the 150 to 175 on their website.
Maybe Evinrude ETEC G2 150, I don't know yet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:59 am
by Reid
Eric1,

I am thinking trip Yamaha 90's with the Yamaha Helm Master joystick control system!!! Always good to have a backup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:09 am
by Eric1
Reid wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:59 am Eric1,

I am thinking trip Yamaha 90's with the Yamaha Helm Master joystick control system!!! Always good to have a backup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Reid
That would be Crazy!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:24 am
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:09 am
Reid wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:59 am Eric1,

I am thinking trip Yamaha 90's with the Yamaha Helm Master joystick control system!!! Always good to have a backup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Reid
That would be Crazy!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah it would! :lol: :lol: I have already done some preliminary work for Eric and a 150 will push that boat with 3400lbs displacement in the upper 30's.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:24 pm
by Fuzz
So after the flip what is the plan? Will she be a centre console or something else?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:24 pm So after the flip what is the plan? Will she be a centre console or something else?
I'm having a hard time deciding Fuzz. I need to draw some ideas and play with a few concepts.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:49 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:24 pm So after the flip what is the plan? Will she be a centre console or something else?
I'm having a hard time deciding Fuzz. I need to draw some ideas and play with a few concepts.
Come on Eric. We all know the plan.

Sand sand sand sand sand sand sand.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking great Eric! Nice looking work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:50 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:49 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:38 pm
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:24 pm So after the flip what is the plan? Will she be a centre console or something else?
I'm having a hard time deciding Fuzz. I need to draw some ideas and play with a few concepts.
Come on Eric. We all know the plan.

Sand sand sand sand sand sand sand.
You will note I DID NOT make the sanding commit :lol: :lol: :lol:

I totaly understand needing to take some time to come up with a plan. I do it all the time, sort of the hold my beer syndrome :doh: I am sure it would be better to have it planned out from the start but what fun would that be :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:09 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:13 pm Looking great Eric! Nice looking work.
Thank You Sir!

No worries Fuzz! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:45 pm
by TomW1
Eric go ahead and pull the frames and stringers and fiberglass the inside. This will give you lots of time to sit back and plan what you want. :wink: Then you have to cut off the corners of the frames so they fit again do to the extra build up of fiberglass, all 3 points. Have fun and take pics.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:08 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:45 pm Eric go ahead and pull the frames and stringers and fiberglass the inside. This will give you lots of time to sit back and plan what you want. :wink: Then you have to cut off the corners of the frames so they fit again do to the extra build up of fiberglass, all 3 points. Have fun and take pics.

Tom
That my Friend, is good advice. :wink:
Won't get to boat for another week or so. I new parts to program and make.
Funny thing is Monday the asshole in Europe said I was to high, come Thursday they like my price.
I'm happy for the work, I hate being jerked around.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:22 pm
by Fuzz
Too bad you are not in a position to tell the guy lots of work came in and to fill the order you will have to work overtime and that will drive the price up. I know that is not the right way to be but sometimes being bad just feels good :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:31 pm
by TomW1
Fuzz your BADD :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:46 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:22 pm Too bad you are not in a position to tell the guy lots of work came in and to fill the order you will have to work overtime and that will drive the price up. I know that is not the right way to be but sometimes being bad just feels good :D
You should read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and also Machiavelli's "The Prince" to understand why I could not do as you describe.
Without details I play to win the war, not the battle. I understand your thinking though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:14 pm
by Fuzz
I seem to remember my history and how this country was founded by losing every battle but winning the war.
Still short term gratification does have its draw. Oh wait..............that is how unplanned kids happen :help: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:21 am
by Capt UB
Eric,
I'm always missing something on this thread... Did you turn her over yet?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:32 am
by OrangeQuest
Capt UB wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:21 am Eric,
I'm always missing something on this thread... Did you turn her over yet?
He has not but a bunch of the regulars are ribbing him about his love of sanding and encouraging him to get it flipped so he has more stuff to sand.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:41 am
by Jaysen
Eric has completed his morning ablutions and has kissed this wife "good bye". He picks up his coffee and heads our the door hugging the children why smile and wish him well at his labors for the day. As Eric exits the house they hear him start his morning walk to work song...

"Hi ho! hi ho!
It's off to sand I go!"

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:43 am
by Capt UB
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:32 am
Capt UB wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:21 am Eric,
I'm always missing something on this thread... Did you turn her over yet?
He has not but a bunch of the regulars are ribbing him about his love of sanding and encouraging him to get it flipped so he has more stuff to sand.


I thought I was helping.... I found a sanding disk maker for sale! :)
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:19 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:41 am Eric has completed his morning ablutions and has kissed this wife "good bye". He picks up his coffee and heads our the door hugging the children why smile and wish him well at his labors for the day. As Eric exits the house they hear him start his morning walk to work song...

"Hi ho! hi ho!
It's off to sand I go!"
Damn it boy put a warning at the top of your posts. I have to clean my morning coffee off my keyboard again :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:20 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz, I'm glad to help you clean your monitor in any way I can.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Reid wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:59 am Eric1,

I am thinking trip Yamaha 90's with the Yamaha Helm Master joystick control system!!! Always good to have a backup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Reid
Yeah Stephen and while your at it why not throw 2 7marines on her 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:28 pm
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:17 pm
Reid wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:59 am Eric1,

I am thinking trip Yamaha 90's with the Yamaha Helm Master joystick control system!!! Always good to have a backup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Reid
Yeah Stephen and while your at it why not throw 2 7marines on her 8)
:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:42 am
by glossieblack
Happy 56th birthday Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:44 am
by Fuzz
glossieblack wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:42 am Happy 56th birthday Eric! :D
Dang missed this but happy birthday for sure :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:53 am
by narfi
Happy birthday!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:59 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:31 am
by Jeff
Kinda cool to have your birthday so close to Valentine's Day!!! Happy Birthday ERic!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:22 pm
by TomW1
Happy birthday big guy and many more.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:52 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:22 pm Happy birthday big guy and many more.

Tom
Thank You Tom! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:25 am
by glossieblack
How goes it Eric? :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:18 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:25 am How goes it Eric? :D
It goes slow on the boat. Work is keeping my attention away from boat building.I did talk with a man that has a boom truck about the flip.
He wants me to build a frame around the boat for the flip. I hoped he knew a shortcut but no luck. Thanks for checking on me. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:51 pm
by Fuzz
Eric could you build your flipping cradle in an arch and then roll it over by hand. I bet you have lots of help and it will surprise you how easy it is to roll.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:37 pm
by TomW1
Yep Eric Cracker Larry did all his flips by him self wit a couple of chain hoists . :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:25 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Granted mine is 3' shorter than yours but I flipped mine in webbing cargo straps and was amazed how easy it was. Gravity is on your side as apposed to when I had to flip mine upside down which was hard. I had no marks in either the paint or graphite.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:58 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the input. I'm thinking it all over.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:02 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:58 pm I'm thinking it all over.
That is one powerful mind!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 am
by Eric1
How much support is need for the hull once flipped over? I'm trying to figure if I'd be better off to build the the structure as part of the frame I'll use to flip her over. The other choice is to build a simple frame just for the flip and place the boat on a support structure after I flip it over. I'm leaning toward the later. What do y'all think that have flipped a hull?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:37 am
by jtdums
Eric,
Great build so far and if you find yourself needing extra hands to facilitate a flip, I'm available and not too far from you.

I have not flipped a C21, but in the past I have managed to flip a couple boats successfully (usually by myself) with overhead straps and eye hooks from above.

On other boats, I relied on the internal forms to provide structure during the flip. (I locate the straps on two frames and remove most of the extras to reduce weight.

I don't build an entire frame around the outside, but I do like to support the hull once flipped. I have cut "cradles" for the hull by using the removed forms as templates (Minus hull thickness and glass) These I pad with pipe insulation to protect the paint.

Wish I had more pictures to share of the process, but when your "baby" is hanging from the ceiling I don't take time to snap photos.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:45 am
by Eric1
jtdums wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:37 am Eric,
Great build so far and if you find yourself needing extra hands to facilitate a flip, I'm available and not too far from you.

I have not flipped a C21, but in the past I have managed to flip a couple boats successfully (usually by myself) with overhead straps and eye hooks from above.

On other boats, I relied on the internal forms to provide structure during the flip. (I locate the straps on two frames and remove most of the extras to reduce weight.

I don't build an entire frame around the outside, but I do like to support the hull once flipped. I have cut "cradles" for the hull by using the removed forms as templates (Minus hull thickness and glass) These I pad with pipe insulation to protect the paint.

Wish I had more pictures to share of the process, but when your "baby" is hanging from the ceiling I don't take time to snap photos.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
Thanks JT! That's very kind of you. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:01 pm
by Capt UB
Wish I had more pictures to share of the process, but when your "baby" is hanging from the ceiling I don't take time to snap photos.
Most cell phones cameras have a setup to take a picture just by saying cheese or smile. Put camera on a tripod or tape it to something.

Hands free selfies....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:21 pm
by Fuzz
Eric now is the time to build a form fitting cradle. I would run a couple of 2bys down the hull where the stringers will be and then some supports that come up high enough to clear the bottom and then base boards to that. Someone just did it and I will try to find it and post it.some thing like what FairWX pilot did with his dory.
I think when you do flip your hull it is going to be a non event and you will see you have been stressing over nothing. Heck I had the lifting eye brake while flipping the hull I am working on now once years ago. Had it about 10 foot in the air at the time. All it did was raise a bunch of dust and my heart rate :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:04 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:21 pm Eric now is the time to build a form fitting cradle. I would run a couple of 2bys down the hull where the stringers will be and then some supports that come up high enough to clear the bottom and then base boards to that. Someone just did it and I will try to find it and post it.some thing like what FairWX pilot did with his dory.
I think when you do flip your hull it is going to be a non event and you will see you have been stressing over nothing. Heck I had the lifting eye brake while flipping the hull I am working on now once years ago. Had it about 10 foot in the air at the time. All it did was raise a bunch of dust and my heart rate :help:
Thanks Fuzz. I'm more concerned with the cradle under the boat after the flip. I can stand on the hull with it upside down. Once flipped I'll be on the weak side of the hull. Think how a windsheild can withstand pressure from the out side but not the inside. I don't want my fat self breaking the hull.
Maybe it's no concern but I would rather raise the question than not. :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 pm
by TomW1
Hey bud run several 2x6's the length of the hull like bunks on a trailer. Maybe two on each side for as far forward as you can, that will work for most of the hull and give you something to walk on. Build rest of the cradle over them. The keel has enough fiberglass now that you can work along it.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:04 pm
by jacquesmm
For a cradle, check this:
http://bateau2.com/howto/foam7.php

IMHO, it is overkill for a C21 but if you build that kind of cradle, make it with round corners, it rolls easily that way.

I did a search with the word "flip" and found many pictures.
What you should kjeep in mind is that, if you build a cradle, the framing must support the hull.
Again, I do not think it is necessary: with a good rubrail and supporting the rail at the molds, you should be able to roll her the way she is but here are some more pictures:
http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage.php?pid=67927

http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage.php?pid=67928

https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... ip#p414608

This one is good too:
https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... le#p345075
It is a CS23 rolled on the sheer, no cradle.

Here, a simple cradle:
http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... C00077.JPG

Do a search in the gallery with the word "cradle" and you will see many pictures.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:52 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:04 pm For a cradle, check this:
http://bateau2.com/howto/foam7.php

IMHO, it is overkill for a C21 but if you build that kind of cradle, make it with round corners, it rolls easily that way.

I did a search with the word "flip" and found many pictures.
What you should kjeep in mind is that, if you build a cradle, the framing must support the hull.
Again, I do not think it is necessary: with a good rubrail and supporting the rail at the molds, you should be able to roll her the way she is but here are some more pictures:
http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage.php?pid=67927

http://gallery.bateau2.com/displayimage.php?pid=67928

https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... ip#p414608

This one is good too:
https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... le#p345075
It is a CS23 rolled on the sheer, no cradle.

Here, a simple cradle:
http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... C00077.JPG

Do a search in the gallery with the word "cradle" and you will see many pictures.
Thanks Jacques. How do you feel about temporarily gluing the frames and battens to the hull? You have me talked out of the cradle by the way. I think that money will be better spent in the final product instead.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:29 pm
by jacquesmm
If you don't use a cradle (which I approve), you could add a couple of temporary deck beams at the widest point. I mean spreaders to keep the sheer from flexing.
Molds and stringers may move during the turn but I would be surprised, Fasten the two main molds (frames) to the inside of the rubrail with temporary drywall screws of even a few epoxy spot welds that you grind off later. Steel fabricators do that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:40 pm
by Eric1
Going to pick up some lumber tomorrow. Might even get some wood work done.
Fingers crossed.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:00 pm
by glossieblack
Great to see you're back at it Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:56 am
by pee wee
I predict the flip will be a lot less of a deal than you thought, but if that beauty gets a scratch in it we'll all feel the pain! No pressure.

I'm looking forward to the next phase of your build, but take your time and enjoy it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:49 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:40 pm Going to pick up some lumber tomorrow. Might even get some wood work done.
Fingers crossed.
Hmm? Could be a reason to look at sanding stuff and sanding stuff accessories? :lol:

Hope the flip is good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:33 am
by Eric1
I bought 7- 2 x 4 x 8' , 6- 5/4 x 6 x 12' and a couple of 7- 2 x 4 x 12'.
I'm going to build support on the boat for after the flip. Then remove it with forklift to keep the hull light for the flip.
I'm gonna have to wait until Tuesday, I'd promised nephew we'd go do something this afternoon.
Monday is out, I'm wrapping up a machine shop job then.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:25 pm
by Capt UB
Eric

Can't wait....

You will be so happy....

Good luck.

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:06 am
by Eric1
Hi everyone, I'm installing battens this morning. Man that concrete floor is cold!! :lol:
The plan is to temporarily glue the frames in place for the flip.

Jacques can you give me an idea of the location of CG as shown? I'd like to measure and mark this with some tape for the lift and flip. :)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:20 pm
by Fuzz
Good to see you back at the boat!
I know it is hard to believe but when you flip it a "hold my beer" deal will work. These things are a lot tougher than we think at this point.
And if it breaks while flipping remember, very important, it is ALL Jaysen's fault :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:47 pm
by Jaysen
Weren't you paying attention when he was building? This boat is more like Chuck Norris... the boat won't break... everything else will be broken by the boat!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:12 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:47 pm Weren't you paying attention when he was building? This boat is more like Chuck Norris... the boat won't break... everything else will be broken by the boat!
I'm leaving work but I'll post a story along these lines later! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:21 pm
by Fuzz
This should be good :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:51 pm
by Eric1
Ok wind back time until I was much younger. My Dad had a 16' bowrider we would fish and ski in. I heard there was a hot bite on at a nearby lake and begged him to let me use the boat. I insisted I knew what I was doing and i would take good care of it. He finally said yes. Well I took off for the lake with some friends thinking how we were gonna tear up the fish. I ran the boat hard and I never put us on the fish. I felt pressured to find the bite and I was getting angry at my lack of success. My friends wanted lunch so we headed in. On the way they talked of giving it up for the day, Which didn't help my attitude. I saw the floating dock getting close but I didn't slow down. I got the idea in my head I would dump the throttle about 30 feet from the dock and I would impress my friends at least with my pilot skills. Yea, I'll be like a Chuck Norris bad ass.
You can guess what happened, I took a chunk out of my dad's boat, ripped his bimini top and could have hurt all of us.
I had to go home and tell what a dumbass I'd been to my Dad. He said it would be a long time before he trusted me with another boat but he wasn't mad at me. I paid for all the damage to the boat and dock but I could not make the guilt go away for loosing Dad's trust. It was many boats later Dad offered t let me use one. I said thanks but no, I'd wait until I could afford one. That's the last time I would ever try to be a Chuck Norris hero. That fantasy will never be who I am.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:55 pm
by jacquesmm
41 or 42% of the DWL, measured from the stern side.
As you show it, that is 90" from the stern end of your waterline.
Note that the desired LCG changes with the speed: that 41% will be at around 30 mph, at 50, it will move back to 36, 27%, at 20 mph it will be at 45%.
The center of planing lift moves with the speed.
Put it at 90". In all my center console designs, I put the LCG where the feet of skipper are, just behind the console.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
From the stern, it's gotta be about 9'-8"for flipping purposes.
(Measured from the top of the transom.)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 pm
by Jaysen
Great retelling of that event. I think most of us have had that moment at least once.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:06 pm
by Eric1
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Great retelling of that event. I think most of us have had that moment at least once.
[/quote

Thanks Jaysen.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
Jaysen wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:44 pm Great retelling of that event. I think most of us have had that moment at least once.
Yeah, let's go with at LEAST once for me.

Great story Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:30 pm
by Fuzz
Nah............I never did anything like that :oops:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:18 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:30 pm Nah............I never did anything like that last week:oops:
Fixed it for you Fuzz.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:32 pm
by Fuzz
So I buy my first new car, 1977 TransAm four speed, and drive it over to show my dad. He asks to drive it so off we go. He pulls onto the hi-way and comes to a full stop. 5000 rpm and he sidesteps the clutch and off we go burning rubber. I start crying hey its a new car :!: He says to me "shut up, I am driving this like you drove my cars" :help: So what can you do :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:38 am
by Jaysen
Take your medicine and pray you kids come out better than you did. At least that’s what I did.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:24 am
by pee wee
Similar to the story of John Kennedy and PT109, racing to get to the fuel dock first . . timed the reverse engines . . engines conked out . . hit dock.

Why, you oughta be president!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:50 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:32 pm So I buy my first new car, 1977 TransAm four speed, and drive it over to show my dad. He asks to drive it so off we go. He pulls onto the hi-way and comes to a full stop. 5000 rpm and he sidesteps the clutch and off we go burning rubber. I start crying hey its a new car :!: He says to me "shut up, I am driving this like you drove my cars" :help: So what can you do :doh:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
pee wee wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:24 am Similar to the story of John Kennedy and PT109, racing to get to the fuel dock first . . timed the reverse engines . . engines conked out . . hit dock.

Why, you oughta be president!
Didn't known that about him, pretty cool to know though!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:44 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
I hear that Eric the list of stupid stuff I did when I was a teenager worries me too some of my friends never made it back which puts you at an worry some place for me. One of mine which has no fear thought I would actually let him drive my 66 ss 396 Chevelle when he get his licence that one still makes me laugh though

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:09 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:44 pm I hear that Eric the list of stupid stuff I did when I was a teenager worries me too some of my friends never made it back which puts you at an worry some place for me. One of mine which has no fear thought I would actually let him drive my 66 ss 396 Chevelle when he get his licence that one still makes me laugh though
:lol: :lol: :lol: Nope!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:40 am
by Eric1
Still moving kinda slow. I've still got a lot going on outside of boat building.
I have the first three frames forward of the transom temporarily glue in place.
I'll start building the support for the boat next.
Sorry no pictures of this small bit of work, I didn't want to risk getting wood glue on my phone.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:47 am
by Fuzz
Any step forward is a good one. Life does tend to get in the way of boat building and then add work into it and it can be impossible at times :cry: Either way it is good to hear from you :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:50 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:47 am Any step forward is a good one. Life does tend to get in the way of boat building and then add work into it and it can be impossible at times :cry: Either way it is good to hear from you :wink:
Thanks Buddy. Nice to see you building some too. So much going on with Dad and other Family issues.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:36 pm
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

Good to see you are close to a great moment, the flip!

You maybe nervous, but everything is going to be ok, when you see it's done.

Good luck my friend!

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:01 am
by Eric1
Epoxy did not cure. :x
Going to run another small batch to see if it will cure.
I just opened the hardener yesterday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:40 am
by BB Sig
That stinks! Great to see you back at it!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:10 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:01 am Epoxy did not cure. :x
Going to run another small batch to see if it will cure.
I just opened the hardener yesterday.
Hope it is just where you tacked your frames temporally and not laying glass or something. Hope you find the cause.
Good Luck

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:10 am
Eric1 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:01 am Epoxy did not cure. :x
Going to run another small batch to see if it will cure.
I just opened the hardener yesterday.
Hope it is just where you tacked your frames temporally and not laying glass or something. Hope you find the cause.
Good Luck
That's all it was. It set up like a hard rubber ball.
I have a test batch curing now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:43 am
by Eric1
I must have mixed it wrong. My test batch is already very firm.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:30 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:43 am I must have mixed it wrong. My test batch is already very firm.
That just about has to be it. I remain firmly convinced epoxy does not go bad over time. I used 15 gallons that was over 20 years old and it worked just fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:38 pm
by Eric1
I agree with you but I had to rule it out. Some of this I got was stored outside in a shed so I tested to be certain.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:42 pm
by Fuzz
You did the right thing for sure. To be fair my epoxy was never exposed to high heat over the years. More of a cold problem for mine :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:48 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:42 pm You did the right thing for sure. To be fair my epoxy was never exposed to high heat over the years. More of a cold problem for mine :lol:
Seems like a you problem.... :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:54 pm
by Fuzz
Just remember Glossie has already predicted your future if you are not a good boy :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:17 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:54 pm Just remember Glossie has already predicted your future if you are not a good boy :lol:
Which is even MORE of a you problem.

Alaska may not be big enough for the two of us. ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:43 pm
by Fuzz
Not a problem. Based on current actions I am pretty sure you will be confined to the part north of the Arctic circle :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now I am going to let Eric have his thread back :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:58 pm
by Eric1
I'm headed to Lowes for some indoor/outdoor carpet. I plan to copy the way Peter Hagenaars re-used his strongback. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:21 pm
by Jeff
Yes, I looked at pages 11 & 13. Good plan Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:15 pm
by Eric1
I got some boat work done today. Started the cradle. That's more work than it appears. :lol:
The bunks are covered with indoor/outdoor carpet to keep scuffs to a minimum.
It still needs some work but it will be Wednesday before I can get back to it.
I have to run out of town tomorrow to bring back some more of Dad's property from his house.

Today's work
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:40 pm
by Fuzz
Good to see you had some time for the boat.
Dang the bottom of that thing shines :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:45 pm
by Jaysen
How much sanding will you give the cradle?

Im eagerly waiting for the video of the flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:11 am
by gonandkarl
I am not only admiring this beautiful work of yours on the boat but also how you keep the workshop so nice and clean. I am only missing something on the sideboard table. It should be cluttered with some tools or anything to make the picture perfect. Keep up the good work and let us see your boat as often as possible it will always be an incentive for us to achieve the impossible.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:57 am
by Eric1
gonandkarl wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:11 am I am not only admiring this beautiful work of yours on the boat but also how you keep the workshop so nice and clean. I am only missing something on the sideboard table. It should be cluttered with some tools or anything to make the picture perfect. Keep up the good work and let us see your boat as often as possible it will always be an incentive for us to achieve the impossible.
Here is the mess you didn't see! :lol:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:13 pm
by Jeff
That is not bad!!! Not at all!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:18 pm
by Jaysen
I’m guessing Fuzz needs a clean sock or two after seeing that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:43 pm
by Fuzz
Still do not see a mess!
I do see a real handy looking chair though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:56 pm
by TomW1
Eric not bad at all. Just enough of a mess that you need to look hard for something. :D Sent you a PM.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:00 pm
by Dutch1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:43 pm Still do not see a mess!
I do see a real handy looking chair though.
I agree. That chair is sweet!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:05 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys,

I'm a little further today. I'll fill the gaps with scrap and door shims later today.
I plan to epoxy glue it in place. I don't trust deck screws to support the weight of the boat so that gap has to be filled.

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Been spending a lot of time with my Dad. A month ago he was placed in Hospice care. He was saying he was ready to go be with Mom and was down to 104 lbs. He was also on on oxygen 24 hours a day. As of last week he has turned around and has not needed oxygen for four days now. He's claiming a miracle in that regard and he's talking about living another 20 years! My Brother and I took him for a shave and a haircut yesterday. This is the best he's looked in six months. :D He's two months away from 79 years old!! 8)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:05 pm
by Capt UB
Got to love are parents... My Mom is 87 and still going, but wears me out at times...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:43 pm
by Fuzz
Great pictures of your folks guys :!:

Eric your dad looks like he is quite the character :D It is great you are able to spend time with him. Makes me think of my own dad.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:44 pm
by Eric1
It was a good lunch. Dad had a good time. Nothing like spending good time with your parents. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:16 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff guys!! Really glad your dad is much improved Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:28 am
by glossieblack
Careful Eric. You risk becoming a famous master cradle builder who knocked up a boat to use it for.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:34 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:28 am Careful Eric. You risk becoming a famous master cradle builder who knocked up a boat to use it for.
:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:08 am
by Eric1
I finished filling the gaps on the cradle this morning. Next I'll machine out some steel for the fork extensions.
After that I can flip her over.
I'm going to go get some chicken for the grill, I've been craving some satay!
I'll check in later.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:20 am
by gonandkarl
Glad to see your father is in good spirits again and one can see it in his bright eyes and you can maybe show him your beautiful boat. My father was a very skilled weekend artisan and commented often on my clumsiness but if he were still alive I am sure he would have loved to see what clumsy hands can produce and help me build my boats. So I am just using all his hand and power tools and even heat the boat shed with his tiled stove he built himself in 1952. Unfortunately I could not spend a lot of time with him before he went which I still regret.
So while your father is still alive it is time well spent to be with him and let the boat wait which will outlive you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:37 am
by Eric1
gonandkarl wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:20 am Glad to see your father is in good spirits again and one can see it in his bright eyes and you can maybe show him your beautiful boat. My father was a very skilled weekend artisan and commented often on my clumsiness but if he were still alive I am sure he would have loved to see what clumsy hands can produce and help me build my boats. So I am just using all his hand and power tools and even heat the boat shed with his tiled stove he built himself in 1952. Unfortunately I could not spend a lot of time with him before he went which I still regret.
So while your father is still alive it is time well spent to be with him and let the boat wait which will outlive you.
You are a wise man Karl. I too has used my father's hand tools building my boat. His old power tools were just to far gone. Peace and Happiness to you my friend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:08 am
by Eric1
Life is slowing my build down. I went to weld my fork extensions and my welder is FUBAR. So I took them to a friends shop and he welded them up for me. He would not let me pay him though I insisted. Got them back and had to grind on them to get them to fit the lift. Welding drew the metal up some but that taken care of.

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On the way back my my check engine light came on in my old van. That has turned into a couple of grand for a radiator and throttle body, plus new oil and transmission lines. That has held me up from picking up the 4x4 beams I need to flip my boat over. I bought some 8 and 10" heavy duty c clamps yesterday to use securing the beams to the forklift. So, all said, I'm ready to get this done on I get the van back.
Nothing but time on my hands today so I washed the boat off. The light spots are where I had to sand the black gunk off the boat where my buddies shoes were touching as we built the cradle. It would not come off with soap/de-greaser and I did not want it to embed in the paint.

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Going to see the my Dad after lunch today and check on him. I got my fingers crossed for a boat flip next week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:36 am
by Jeff
Eric, If you are ever coming this way, I would really like to buy a set of fork lift extensions from you!! T5hose look twice as strong as those I can buy here!!! Really looking forward to your flip!! Sorry about your van!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:36 am
by Jeff
Eric, If you are ever coming this way, I would really like to buy a set of fork lift extensions from you!! T5hose look twice as strong as those I can buy here!!! Really looking forward to your flip!! Sorry about your van!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:41 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:36 am Eric, If you are ever coming this way, I would really like to buy a set of fork lift extensions from you!! T5hose look twice as strong as those I can buy here!!! Really looking forward to your flip!! Sorry about your van!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff, You can order the extensions from U-Line. Drop ship them to my address and I can modify them here and ship them to you.
I'll just need you to take some measurements of your current lift forks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:29 pm
by Fuzz
Eric it sounds like life is throwing you one curve ball after another :cry: Here is to hoping things go your way and you are able to make the flip soon :D I had been wondering what you were up to.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:55 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:29 pm Eric it sounds like life is throwing you one curve ball after another :cry: Here is to hoping things go your way and you are able to make the flip soon :D I had been wondering what you were up to.
As of late I've been tap dancing on land mines. -_-

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:59 pm
by Fuzz
Well do your best Fred Astair and we will all hope it turns your way. Seems like you are due.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:05 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:55 pm As of late I've been tap dancing on land mines. -_-
You owe my employer a monitor.

If it makes you feel any better, I've juggling grenades. The only positive I can offer is that it seems 50% of the time, the grenade/mine isn't live. Hang in there.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:09 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:05 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:55 pm As of late I've been tap dancing on land mines. -_-
You owe my employer a monitor.

If it makes you feel any better, I've juggling grenades. The only positive I can offer is that it seems 50% of the time, the grenade/mine isn't live. Hang in there.
Thanks Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:17 pm
by TomW1
Eric hang in there been thinking of you. Sorry to hear the land mine fields have eaught up with you.

Take care bud and take it a step at a time.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:19 pm
by Eric1
So, I got my van back at 5:30 today. I have to take it back next week so they can finish the work on it but tomorrow I can go trout fishing in the morning and pick up my 4x4's!! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:23 pm
by Bogieman
Eric1 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:19 pm So, I got my van back at 5:30 today. I have to take it back next week so they can finish the work on it but tomorrow I can go trout fishing in the morning and pick up my 4x4's!! :)
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:43 pm
by Fuzz
Have fun fishing :D Sounds like things might be turning your way :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:28 pm
by Eric1
I got the boat flipped over today. My nephew took a bunch of pictures for me. I'll post them tomorrow for everyone.
For now just a couple. I'm going home, it's been a good day! :D :D :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:42 pm
by Jaysen
When did you paint her purple?

Looks great! Not get back to work building that boat!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:49 pm
by glossieblack
Congratulations on a big milestone. She looks great! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:06 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:42 pm When did you paint her purple?

Looks great! Not get back to work building that boat!
Crazy lighting I suppose. No more work today, I'm home now. :) Thank You Jaysen.
glossieblack wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:49 pm Congratulations on a big milestone. She looks great! :D
Thank You as well My Friend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:55 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looks like everything is still in good shape! Cheers on a successful flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:27 pm
by Jeff
Great flip Eric and she really looks good just sitting there!!! Please post more of the flip photos tomorrow!! Again, nice work Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:30 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:27 pm Great flip Eric and she really looks good just sitting there!!! Please post more of the flip photos tomorrow!! Again, nice work Eric!!! Jeff
Thanks Friend! I will, Just ran out of time today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:52 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:28 pm I got the boat flipped over today. My nephew took a bunch of pictures for me. I'll post them tomorrow for everyone.
For now just a couple. I'm going home, it's been a good day! :D :D :D

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YA BABY.... HOWS IT FEEL....? Looks great, that a big boat!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:55 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:52 pm
YA BABY.... HOWS IT FEEL....? Looks great, that a big boat!!
:) It feels Great Capt. Bob!!! Thank you!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:05 pm
by PapaDave
That is an amazing looking boat. Inspirational work.
Dave

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:06 pm
by Eric1
PapaDave wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:05 pm That is an amazing looking boat. Inspirational work.
Dave
Thank You, Very kind of you! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:44 pm
by narfi
Was just thinking about you today and wondering when we would see the inside of your boat.

It's looking great, cant wait to watch your craftmanship!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:05 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:44 pm Was just thinking about you today and wondering when we would see the inside of your boat.

It's looking great, cant wait to watch your craftmanship!
Thanks Narfi! I have some scaffolds ordered.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:42 am
by Fuzz
Ok fess up. Lots of worry over a non event I bet.
These things are a lot tougher than we think. Heck I rolled them, flipped em, and even dropped one and things still came out ok :wink:
By the way the hull looks half way decent but................I think you missed a spot while sanding :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:09 am
by Jaysen
Careful fuzz... those sound like fighting words.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:27 am
by Capt UB
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 am
by Browndog
Looking really good. That is one deep hull. The image that comes to mind is that I can picture you hovering over the hull in some kind of Mission Impossible harness as you fillet and tape the interior.

Can’t wait to see what you do next on the boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 6:53 am
by Jaysen
Not sure those stilts would work in the boat though. I think the scaffolding is twofold
1 provide standing kneeling for times you can’t be in the boat.
2. Work surface for things you need handy while in the boat.

Keep in mind that at this point the outer hull is “done” and Eric should be working on stringers and frames. At least that’s where I think he is.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 1:42 am Ok fess up. Lots of worry over a non event I bet.
These things are a lot tougher than we think. Heck I rolled them, flipped em, and even dropped one and things still came out ok :wink:
By the way the hull looks half way decent but................I think you missed a spot while sanding :lol: :lol:
Yea, There was some un-needed worry about it. I say more as I post the rest of the pictures. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:35 am
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all, Stilts are out. Even if they would work the lateral pressure on my knees dismisses this idea. 8O
Browndog I had thought of rigging that but it was going to cost more than I could justify. :lol:
Besides, I'd look more like Baron Harkkonan from "Dune". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Scary as it seems Jaysen has the thoughts I have on the scaffold. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:52 am
by Eric1
Here are the rest of the photos.
Before I got underneath I lifted the boat and strongback to ensure the lifting frame was sound.
Lifted enough to tension lines. I'm underneath un-screwing frames from the strongback.

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Strong back is out.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:59 am
by Eric1
We removed the rear beam and got ready to turn her over.
J.T. in blue shirt and my Brother in red shirt. Part of my Flipping Crew. :lol:
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Marc checking ground clearance.
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Boat was to close to touching asphalt.
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So we added a second layer of tires.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:13 am
by Eric1
Here was an Oh Crap Moment. The rear strap has come loose. I was not backing up enough as I lifted the forks.
That created enough slack for my hooks to drop out of my loops.
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I called for a ladder and "All Hands" Dan grabbed the ladder.
The only thing holding the boat vertical is that one strap!!
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Re-connected and going over.
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Notice the extra tires? Well we had to stop and run to the bike shop for tires.
This went through my mind:
https://youtu.be/SbWg-mozGsU

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:20 am
by Eric1
The boat was coming over nicely now. Robin is the guy with braided hair.
He tripped on the tires. I got him away from the boat just in case. :lol:
My fishing buddy Tracey is on the transom.
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Ah Yea
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Tires created an uneven surface. Brother picked up transom and we added a couple of tires.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:22 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Image
Once of the things I love about this glass over ply build method is that flex you see in the photo. I've seen "all glass" boats go "bye bye" with that much flex. Got to love a build method that lets us do things like this without fear of ruining our work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:26 am
by Bogieman
Well now that looked easy :D . Glad you got her flipped. Nice day for boat stuff here in SC.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:28 am
by Capt UB
Eric, saw that... When I flip my little boat, it rolled on the rub rail, Damn I thought I was going to die!! Tough boats, thanks JM!!
Glad it worked out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:32 am
by Eric1
Peter Hagenaars Cradle idea was borrowed. This was really a genius move!!
Thank Peter!! :D :D :D
It works perfectly!! The strongback is notched for the 2x4 on the cradle.
I checked level and it was perfect. I used door shims to lock it in place.
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Then we added the second beam back to forks in order to lift boat straight up again.
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Here is a testimony to the strength of epoxy glue. The boat is suspended by 2 frames.
Those being glue to the boat by 8 four inch long fillets of epoxy and wood flour!

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Brother keeping transom in order.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:35 am
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all!
Capt UB wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 9:28 am Eric, saw that... When I flip my little boat, it rolled on the rub rail, Damn I thought I was going to die!! Tough boats, thanks JM!!
Glad it worked out.
Believe me, "Oh Crap" was not my exact words!!! Amen to J.M. design a tough hull!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:50 am
by Eric1
"My Flipping Crew!"

JT
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My Nephew Christian and Photographer,
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From left to right, Robin, Dan and Tracey.
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Marc
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:51 am
by pee wee
Congratulations on the flip! Christian did a great job documenting it with photos, that was great to see the whole process.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:54 am
by Eric1
Lined up!
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On the Level,Square and Plumb! :wink:
The flip is complete.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:55 am
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 9:51 am Congratulations on the flip! Christian did a great job documenting it with photos, that was great to see the whole process.
Thank You Hank! I'll pass that on to him. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:56 am
by Jeff
Congrats to you and the whole crew Eric!!! Really nice work and she looks great sitting right side up!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:13 pm
by TomW1
Looks great sitting up the way she should be. :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
by Bogieman
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 5:45 am
by jtdums
Great work on the flip. Seeing your guys next to the hull outside like that gives a real appreciation for just how large the C21 really is compared to others. That's a lot of boat!
Best of luck on the continued build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:02 pm
by Eric1
jtdums wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 5:45 am Great work on the flip. Seeing your guys next to the hull outside like that gives a real appreciation for just how large the C21 really is compared to others. That's a lot of boat!
Best of luck on the continued build.
Thank Y'all! :D
It is a much bigger boat than I thought it would be, That's for sure!
Working on support the front of the boat today. I think this will work.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:21 pm
by Jeff
There was much teamwork in that flip!! Nice Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:29 pm
by csotelo
Congratulations for the flip!!

The hardest part was done, work on interior is fun!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 2:49 pm
by alanmccabe
Congrats Eric making me envious. Looks really nice

Cheers Alan

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:02 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Carlos and Alan! :D

Well I'm finished for the day. My knees have had enough of all the up and down.

Progress so far:

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Once this is done I plan to remove the wheels from the strongback and check level again.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:11 pm
by Fuzz
Eric take the time now to set up work benches along side of the boat. Try to get as much stuff as you can within your reach. At least the stuff you need often. When I was building big boats I hired a minimum wage kid to help me. About all he did was hand me stuff when I needed it. When I thought about how many times he saved me from crawling out of the hull he was worth every penny. You can spend your time and energy working on the boat or spend it crawling in and out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:16 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:11 pm Eric take the time now to set up work benches along side of the boat. Try to get as much stuff as you can within your reach. At least the stuff you need often. When I was building big boats I hired a minimum wage kid to help me. About all he did was hand me stuff when I needed it. When I thought about how many times he saved me from crawling out of the hull he was worth every penny. You can spend your time and energy working on the boat or spend it crawling in and out.
That's good advice Fuzz. :D I've thought about making a couple of work trays to hang on the side of the boat like the trays at a drive up diner. You know like a Sonic uses..car hop style. Other than that I'm waiting for the scaffolds to come in. Then I'll have a better idea of what I'm working with.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 pm
by Fuzz
So are the scaffolds so you can glass the inside and install stringers without you standing on the hull?
After you get all the frames out try walking in the hull to see what happens. You have enough support under the hull you might find out it is not needed but no way of knowing until you give it a try.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:56 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 pm So are the scaffolds so you can glass the inside and install stringers without you standing on the hull?
After you get all the frames out try walking in the hull to see what happens. You have enough support under the hull you might find out it is not needed but no way of knowing until you give it a try.
no, They are just to get in and out of the boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:03 pm
by Fuzz
Ok.
good idea making it easy to get in and out. you do not even want to know how many times you are going to crawl in and out of that thing. :help: Anything you can do to make it easy is well worth the effort. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:46 pm
by Eric1
No boat work today. Instead, I patted out 10 lbs. of prime Angus hamburger for my Flipping Crew!!

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Wish Y'all were here! These are so good!!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:51 pm
by Jaysen
I think I could be there by 5.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:59 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 12:51 pm I think I could be there by 5.
Come on!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
So you had two flipping parties!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:46 pm
by Jeff
Good looking burgers!!! Well deserved to the Flipping Crew!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:51 pm
by Capt UB
Right back at you... Great flip and a great flipping crew... Nice that you are FLIPPING burgers...

Joining you guys....
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:57 pm
by Eric1
Nice :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:32 am
by alanmccabe
Am I too late, what time should I pop over. you guys know how to make a burger :-)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:13 am
by Eric1
alanmccabe wrote: Fri May 04, 2018 4:32 am Am I too late, what time should I pop over. you guys know how to make a burger :-)
Never to late, Unless I'm dead. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:21 pm
by Eric1
Tough day on the river yesterday. Low and clear water. Fish were short striking. The two small trout are hatchery dwarves. Ugly little browns imho. Worst part of the morning was getting a lure stuck in a tree. I pulled it out with a quick jerk of the rod just to have the lure hit my shin and it buried the hooks past the barb. Lucky I had my pliers handy to pull the hooks out.
The catch:
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I had made plans to spend time with my girls today but Nanna called and asked them to go shopping.
So I came to the shop to finish building bow support. I noticed my scaffold came in yesterday.

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I plan to use them like this. I think the size and weight of them should allow me to cantilever on the ladder into the boat without tipping.

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Last of the supports are finished:

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Y'all have a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 3:17 pm
by danieloldhouse
Ohh Eric, I missed the flip, great work with this milestone!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:20 pm
by glossieblack
That will get you in and out nicely.

And you'll be able to store tools and materials you're using for a day's work along the scaffold planks.

She's sitting pretty. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:31 pm
by TomW1
Eric you can call those little two sushi and not even bone them. :D

Dang hatchery released little ones. What a pita.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:34 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sat May 05, 2018 6:31 pm Eric you can call those little two sushi and not even bone them. :D

Dang hatchery released little ones. What a pita.

Tom
Pitiful fish Tom. At least my in laws liked them. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:29 pm
by Jeff
She (C21) looks great Eric!! And at least you are catching trout, a friend in Northern GA has caught almost noting in the creeks in his area!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:42 pm
by Jaysen
Skunked in CHS as well. Lots of mullet but nothing else. Couldn’t even rustle up any pinfish or blue crabs. But... Day. On. The. Water.

Only way to make it better would have been doing the day with Lil Bit.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 9:43 am
by cape_fisherman
Middle coast of NC is now seeing big chopper blues (the 20# type), spanish, Atlantic bonito, false albacore, and even saw a pic of a decent cobia yesterday. I wouldn't know about it, but the reports kept trickling in at work...LoL

Spring is kicking here along the coast!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 10:11 am
by Eric1
Spring is going straight to summer this year. Slow trolling for kings will be early this year. I wish my boat was ready!
Hang in there Jaysen! It's going to get better!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:45 pm
by Eric1
Man I'm tired. Lifted and removed casters this morning. Then I'll got inside the boat and removed the temporary frames.
I damaged the ply in a couple places removing the epoxy glue but I can easily repair it.
It was more work than I thought! Fuzz was right, all that in and out adds up! :lol:

I abandoned the catwalk plan. I really didn't want to have to remember to constantly duck anyway.
This way I use one scafold to get in and out and the other will serve as a rolling table.

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Off casters, I almost forgot this one.

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That is all for the day. Y'all have a great weekend! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:53 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:14 pm
by Capt UB
Looking great....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:42 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Fellas :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 pm
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 2:45 pm I abandoned the catwalk plan. I really didn't want to have to remember to constantly duck anyway.
This way I use one scafold to get in and out and the other will serve as a rolling table.
For neophyte boat builders like us, despite the best laid plans, there is lots of trial and error. But we get there.

She looks great right way up. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:21 am
by cape man
Can really appreciate the volume of that design looking inside. That's a lot of boat!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:35 pm
by TomW1
Eric outstanding, looks like you have some of the seams coated. Keep on keeping on. You have a good ways to go, but you will get there and have one heck of a boat.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:45 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. I'm getting everything in place for the next push.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:51 pm
by Fuzz
That step ladder really shows how deep the hull is. This is going to be a nice boat :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 9:52 pm
by Capt UB
Eric

How did you clamp the top part of the hull to the bottom part when you glued it?
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 9:56 pm
by Eric1
If you mean the side panels, I screwed them together while the glue set. Then I removed the screws and repaired the holes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:46 am
by Capt UB
Yes the side panels. The C17 (Classic 17) has the same setup. Thanks. Bob

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:52 am
by Eric1
I have a 3-4 mm gap at the style line in a few places. I hope this is normal. :help:
I plan to mix some thin epoxy glue and pour it in the gap.

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Also at the step from the clamping boards I plan to use this left over foam to form a transition for the fiberglass.

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More to come...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:49 pm
by Capt UB
Eric,

What/where is the style line? Top side panels to the bottom side panels?

Clamping board is on the transom for the outboard to clap on, is the photo upside down? I only have that on the top of the transom, facing down.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:25 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 12:49 pm Eric,

What/where is the style line? Top side panels to the bottom side panels?
Yes, It's where the two side panels form an edge.

Clamping board is on the transom for the outboard to clap on, is the photo upside down? I only have that on the top of the transom, facing down.
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No photo is like what you have shown. In order to glass you need a radius of 1/2" internal/external.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:33 pm
by jacquesmm
You can fill that gap at the style line.
What we call the style line is the overlap between the side panels. It is impossible or very difficult to fill it perfectly from the outside but it is easy to fill it at this stage.
Fill it and after the cure, knock down that little edge with a grinder if you want to fiberglass the inside all the way up to the sheer.
For the transom. Are all your layers in place? Often, there is also a gap to fill there.
To use foam strips in the fillets is a great way to do it as long as it is marine type foam, not brittle insulation foam.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:50 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 1:33 pm You can fill that gap at the style line.
What we call the style line is the overlap between the side panels. It is impossible or very difficult to fill it perfectly from the outside but it is easy to fill it at this stage.
Fill it and after the cure, knock down that little edge with a grinder if you want to fiberglass the inside all the way up to the sheer.
For the transom. Are all your layers in place? Often, there is also a gap to fill there.
To use foam strips in the fillets is a great way to do it as long as it is marine type foam, not brittle insulation foam.
Thank you Friend. :)
Yes, All layers in place and you are correct small gaps to fill as well. Though much smaller than style line.
Yes it is marine foam, left over from strakes. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:06 pm
by Fuzz
Good plan for the style line. The foam on the transom is slick. That will make running glass over it easy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:12 pm
by Eric1
Foam in place. You can see the gaps at bottom and sides of transom. I'll fill those later.

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I started pouring thickened epoxy glue in style line to fill while this is drying.
I'm only mixing three ounce batches so it won't cook off before I can pour it.
That strategy worked well in the past.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:36 pm
by Capt UB
Thanks Eric and JM.

The C17 has a style line... I need to reread the plans again (C17). I now know!!!

So, your transom has clamping boards on the bottom of the transom, the plans on the FS14 (my build), they are on top for for making the transom thicker for mounting the outboard.

Your boat is looking great Eric. I found working on the inside more fun...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:01 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 3:36 pm Thanks Eric and JM.

The C17 has a style line... I need to reread the plans again (C17). I now know!!!

So, your transom has clamping boards on the bottom of the transom, the plans on the FS14 (my build), they are on top for for making the transom thicker for mounting the outboard.

Your boat is looking great Eric. I found working on the inside more fun...
Thanks Capt. UB. I think it will be once I get past the stringers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:45 am
by Eric1
I'm filling in the gap at the bottom of the transom this morning.

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A couple of things I've discovered working on the inside so far.

1. About the time you get to moving along good, nature calls.
Bucket will fix this. :lol:
2. Eze Fillet gets warm 42.31 seconds after it goes in a ziplock bag!
3. Progress is measured in inches. It doesn't seem like much work is getting done but I know it all adds up.
4. No matter how much stuff you have ready, what's needed will be on the table 20 feet away from the boat.
5. Did I mention the phone??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:55 am
by Jeff
Yes, it is always something!!!! But progress is progress!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:32 pm
by Fuzz
Yes sir working down in a big hull can sure add a layer of complications. As soon as the stringers are in laying a piece of plywood down to walk on and set stuff on sure helps. Walking around on an angle all day sucks. Makes me wonder about those folks and their blow boats :help:
It is a huge challenge getting all the stuff you need close at hand and not being in the way. And as previously said climbing in and out a zillion times slows you down and drains the old battery bank. I got faith you will get er done :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:42 am
by topwater
# 4 got me every time :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:37 am
by glossieblack
An unavoidable penalty for building a bigger boat. But once she's built, the frustrations will be quickly forgotten :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:13 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the comments Friends. I started with some sanding today.
I had to round over the style line and the clamping board to the foam.
After that I pulled fillets all around the transom. I may come in in the morning and put on the tape.

Starboard side
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Full view
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Have a great weekend everyone!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:16 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 1:13 pm I started with some sanding today.
Let's start the bets with "some sanding" meaning "between 60 and 90 minutes". Who wants to specify a different time window?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:43 pm
by pee wee
Your build is coming along nicely! and of course you started off the day with some sanding, kind of like when they made us start off the day with calisthenics back in scout camp!

I have to ask- why is the bottom of the transom thicker than the top? Is it in expectation of a bracket, a place to land the deck, or is that just what the C21 plans call for?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:49 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 1:16 pm
Eric1 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 1:13 pm I started with some sanding today.
Let's start the bets with "some sanding" meaning "between 60 and 90 minutes". Who wants to specify a different time window?
How did I know you would see this? LOL It was about an hour and a half. :lol: :lol: :lol:
pee wee wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 1:43 pm Your build is coming along nicely! and of course you started off the day with some sanding, kind of like when they made us start off the day with calisthenics back in scout camp!

I have to ask- why is the bottom of the transom thicker than the top? Is it in expectation of a bracket, a place to land the deck, or is that just what the C21 plans call for?
Thank You PeeWee :) .
The plans call for two clamping boards.
I assume to accommodate USCG requirements for the rated outboard size.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:53 pm
by Capt UB
Eric, I was confused about the clamping boards on your boat, you do plan on cutting down the transom? The study plans show the cutout for the motor well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:02 pm
by TomW1
Capt UB wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 2:53 pm Eric, I was confused about the clamping boards on your boat, you do plan on cutting down the transom? The study plans show the cutout for the motor well.
Capt I beleive he is going to put it on a bracket and thus doesn't need a cut out.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:19 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 4:02 pm
Capt UB wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 2:53 pm Eric, I was confused about the clamping boards on your boat, you do plan on cutting down the transom? The study plans show the cutout for the motor well.
Capt I beleive he is going to put it on a bracket and thus doesn't need a cut out.

Tom
Tom is correct.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:02 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Looks like this boat is really taking shape.

Awesome.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:34 am
by glossieblack
It's good you're finding some building time Eric. Your build reports are always interesting. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:04 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
I am so glad when I read in your post the following:
A couple of things I've discovered working on the inside so far.

1. About the time you get to moving along good, nature calls.
Bucket will fix this. :lol:
2. Eze Fillet gets warm 42.31 seconds after it goes in a ziplock bag!
3. Progress is measured in inches. It doesn't seem like much work is getting done but I know it all adds up.
4. No matter how much stuff you have ready, what's needed will be on the table 20 feet away from the boat.
5. Did I mention the phone??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am nearly finished with my boat and although I hardly have to work on the inside any more all your points apply except the fillet one for what little things I still have to do adapting to the trailer. When it was fillet time I never managed to put the stuff into a ziplock bag because I was always in such a stress situation that I just smeared it into corners as fast as possible with the result that the sanding of the dry fillets took ages.
Wish you good luck for all the progress we will be watching.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:58 am
by Dougster
I use slow hardener and have always had enough time. One tip I learned at the Port A boat show has helped a lot. I posted it under my cheap canoe build below:

"One tip I got from the Chesapeak Light Craft guy at the Port A boat show was regarding fillets. You wait an hour (I didn't always need that long) and use Denatured alcohol on your fingers to smooth out the fillets. Works great, like using neat epoxy but much easier. I tried it on fairing mixes (Bateau's marinepoxy with their fairing mix, with microballoons, and left over Quickfair. Worked on all of it and made smoothing out the fairing in places easier. Smoothed out pinholes as well."

This really does work. I could smooth lumps out even.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:04 am
by Eric1
Dougster wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:58 am I use slow hardener and have always had enough time. One tip I learned at the Port A boat show has helped a lot. I posted it under my cheap canoe build below:

"One tip I got from the Chesapeak Light Craft guy at the Port A boat show was regarding fillets. You wait an hour (I didn't always need that long) and use Denatured alcohol on your fingers to smooth out the fillets. Works great, like using neat epoxy but much easier. I tried it on fairing mixes (Bateau's marinepoxy with their fairing mix, with microballoons, and left over Quickfair. Worked on all of it and made smoothing out the fairing in places easier. Smoothed out pinholes as well."

This really does work. I could smooth lumps out even.

Dougster
I'll give this a try on next fillets. I'm still not sure my knees will allow me the time to go wet on wet but I'll try it on a chine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 11:31 am
by Eric1
I started today cutting and forming 12 oz. tape. Once I started spreading epoxy the weights had to go.
I had them on a small piece of peel ply. Once the glass got wet, it became a sliding board.

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I started with epoxy on the verticals working my way down and met in the middle at keel.
I projected 12 ounces I used used 14. lost an ounce. I had to put this down with a brush and I could not use a squeegee.
The squeegee wanted to pull the tape out of place no matter how light a touch I tried.
Anyway first tape is done.

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The laminate schedule calls for two layers at bow and transom. Two layers at chines and three at keel.
I need clarification please. Three at keel and two at bow doesn't make sense to me.
Where does the bow start? :help:
I figured the three layers would extend the full length at centerline. :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:21 pm
by TomW1
Hey Eric the question always bothered me also. When I asked many years ago I got the answer that the water line was the break point, but you could extend the 3 layers all the way if wanted.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:37 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 3:21 pm Hey Eric the question always bothered me also. When I asked many years ago I got the answer that the water line was the break point, but you could extend the 3 layers all the way if wanted.

Tom
Thanks Buddy! I think that's the plan. :wink:
I got the second layer of tape down just now. This time 12 ounces was perfect.
Progress pictures.

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Other side.

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Last one, You can see I went ahead and wet out the foam with left over epoxy. I figure it would fill in some of the small holes.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:43 am
by glossieblack
8) 8) :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:18 am
by Capt UB
Eric,

That is one big boat! I'm glad to see it flip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:23 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 11:31 am Where does the bow start? :help:
Maybe the bow starts where it starts to bow. 8)

Your boat is really coming along.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:46 am
by jacquesmm
About the clamping board: it is designed for a splash well but can be built that way for a bracket too.
As long as the bracket bolts are located well below the edge of the clamping board. In other words, the bolts must all go through the clamping board.
There are several options:
- many builders have made the whole transom from the same thickness than the clamping board. It does not add much strength but the fiberglass job is easier, not step to go over, no step in the motorwell longitudinals.
- many builders plan to use a larger outboard than what I specify and add a layer of ply to the transom, inside.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 4:30 pm
by Eric1
I was able to get fillets on the chines and part of the bow/keel intersection today.
The plan is to get epoxy on the chines tomorrow. It may have to wait though I need to go visit with my Dad.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm
by Fuzz
Boats looking good Eric :D But either way it will still be there tomorrow, being with Dad comes first :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:21 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm Boats looking good Eric :D But either way it will still be there tomorrow, being with Dad comes first :wink:
Thanks Fuzz, talked with my Brother. We are going to go see him Thursday and try to get him to go out to lunch with us.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm
by OrangeQuest
One thing I like about building a boat is there is no time restrictions like a job has. No time lines, no must get this finished and gives time for life's little things that when missed add up to big things.

Eric have a good visit with your Dad. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:11 am
by Jeff
Eric, really nice progress!! Hope your Dad is improving!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:56 am
by Eric1
I'm curious about something. The sides are much wider than 8'6".
When I apply battens and then glass the verticals will they hold shape after fiberglass?

Very little boat work today. I just filled zip tie holes and screw holes.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 4:03 pm
by csotelo
Hey Eric,

Nice and clean job on inside!

After glass, it will become stiffer than now, but I needed some straps to close the hull opening before glue frames.

Regards

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:33 am
by Eric1
Went to work this morning laying tape for chines.

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I calculated I'd need 20 ounces per side of epoxy at 40%. I mixed three 6 oz. batches and it was enough.

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I'll post more when I finish. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:46 am
by Jeff
Nice Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:38 am
by Eric1
Thank Jeff.

I have the tape other side done. I was going to get the second layer of tape on today but Noooooooo.
When I got to the transom on the second side I found a nice fat air bubble I'll have to grind out.
So much for wet on wet.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:09 pm
by glossieblack
Eric,

Spend the time now to get the widths at each station as spot on as possible, all the time ensuring you retain a fair sweeping curve along the top edge, and it will save you playing catch up in the future.

She's looking good! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 12:50 am
by Fuzz
Yipers, heed Glossie's wisdom on this.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 12:18 pm
by TomW1
GB and Fuzz I disagree a little. He can do the bottom glassing before putting on the straps so he doesn't have to be ducking them. But the longer he waits the more difficult it will be to pull the sides in.


Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:02 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 12:18 pm GB and Fuzz I disagree a little. He can do the bottom glassing before putting on the straps so he doesn't have to be ducking them. But the longer he waits the more difficult it will be to pull the sides in.


Tom
It's interesting you posted this Tom. This was my plan also. The temporary frames fit well at the chine. It was towards the rubrail the hull seemed to flair outward. I'll add battens and straps prior to glassing the sides. For now, I see no need in having to dodge all that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:25 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 1:02 pm
TomW1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 12:18 pm GB and Fuzz I disagree a little. He can do the bottom glassing before putting on the straps so he doesn't have to be ducking them. But the longer he waits the more difficult it will be to pull the sides in.


Tom
It's interesting you posted this Tom. This was my plan also. The temporary frames fit well at the chine. It was towards the rubrail the hull seemed to flair outward. I'll add battens and straps prior to glassing the sides. For now, I see no need in having to dodge all that.
PS: Eric I said I wanted to get away from the rain. Well the forecast for Bryson City is 80% rain for the next 5 days. Unfortunately we walked into an Iowa heat wave with temps in the 90's and no sign of rain. :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:29 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 1:25 pm
Eric1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 1:02 pm
TomW1 wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 12:18 pm GB and Fuzz I disagree a little. He can do the bottom glassing before putting on the straps so he doesn't have to be ducking them. But the longer he waits the more difficult it will be to pull the sides in.


Tom
It's interesting you posted this Tom. This was my plan also. The temporary frames fit well at the chine. It was towards the rubrail the hull seemed to flair outward. I'll add battens and straps prior to glassing the sides. For now, I see no need in having to dodge all that.
PS: Eric I said I wanted to get away from the rain. Well the forecast for Bryson City is 80% rain for the next 5 days. Unfortunately we walked into an Iowa heat wave with temps in the 90's and now sign of rain. :lol: :lol:
Proof, You can't win for losing! Just strip down, grease up and lay out in the sun. You'll come back with a nice tan! Lol

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:22 am
by Eric1
I hope everyone had a great weekend. I spent Saturday night cooking ribs for the church.
I'd just put these on at 6:30, I cooked until 12:00.
I wrapped them in foil , put them in the cooler and covered them with a couple of towels.
They stayed hot until Sunday night. Every family got at least a full rack.

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Final product! How's that smoke ring?!!

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Then Sunday evening I stayed up with the men of the church cooking beef hash for Memorial day.
100 lb. of onion, 100 lb of meat. I told them those pots weren't big enough! LOL
I had to go borrow a couple from from my brother in law!
Here are the first two.
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Which has brought me to today. I feel like a "AA" battery trying to power a jackhammer.
I did grind and fill the air pocket.
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I also sanded the first layer of chine tape.
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I'll try to get tape in place for tomorrow later today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:51 am
by OrangeQuest
Food looks really good! But so does your build!

Did you just use the word grind? 8O

:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:16 pm
by Jeff
That is a whole bunch of food and i am confident it was all great!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:47 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. :D
I got a little more done. I pulled a fillet on the keel.

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Which brought me to this question:
I will be into second roll of tape soon. I noticed I have a different type of tape in my "kit" supplies.
Is it a mistake? It's the only roll like that. The odd one is on the left. It's not as wide and it feels thinner.
The weave is quite thin. :help:
Is it safe to use? :doh:

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:48 pm
by Fuzz
I think that new roll is 6oz. It is used for places where you do not as much strength. I would either use two layers where you normally would use one or I would save it for later and get more 12oz. For me the lighter stuff is a pain so I only use the 12oz. Maybe that is why my stuff is so heavy :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:55 pm
by TomW1
I agree it looks like 6oz. You will have places where you can use it. Just not structural places. Bait tank corners, etc.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 pm
by OrangeQuest
Check your plans to see if it says to use 6oz some places and 12oz in others.

I thought my plans said to use 12oz tape and cloth on my hull. It was to be 6oz tape and 12oz cloth. :oops: I was reading the directions while the 12oz tape was curing to see what was to be done next. That may have been the first time the printed plans I had on the work bench were torn up. It was the areas that said to overlap two layers of tape, which I did! So my inside seams and transom are very strong. NOW, ever so often I go back and re-read my plans to see where else I am screwing up. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:16 pm
by Eric1
Well I'll take another look but I don't remember 6 oz. being called for on this boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:54 pm
by TomW1
Eric just looked at the Fiberglass/Epoxy kit and there is 1 roll of 6 oz 4" wpvem tape listed in it. So go figure. :doh: Maybe they substituted the 6" 6iz biax for it. :?:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:35 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 9:54 pm Eric just looked at the Fiberglass/Epoxy kit and there is 1 roll of 6 oz 4" wpvem tape listed in it. So go figure. :doh: Maybe they substituted the 6" 6iz biax for it. :?:

Tom
No I saw the woven and verified it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:09 am
by Capt UB
Eric,

Told you the build gets fun after the flip!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:56 am
by Eric1
Morning Fun!
Chine tape round two.

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19 ounce of epoxy later..

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More to come......

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 12:24 pm
by csotelo
Nice work!

About the tape, the one on left looks a +90/+45 biax.

This builder had a similar issue: https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... 3&start=20

Regards,

Carlos

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 3:59 pm
by Eric1
csotelo wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 12:24 pm Nice work!

About the tape, the one on left looks a +90/+45 biax.

This builder had a similar issue: https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... 3&start=20

Regards,

Carlos
Thank my Friend!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:02 pm
by Eric1
Pretty good progress today. Second side is done. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm
by Jeff
Nice!! New tape on the way!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:45 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm Nice!! New tape on the way!! Jeff
Thank you!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:56 pm
by Jaysen
How much sanding have you done?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 5:56 pm How much sanding have you done?
Very little. Just enough to scuff any surface that needs it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:15 pm
by Fuzz
Need to run a little pole here. What are the odds on the compartments that will be foam filled still getting faired to a mirror finish :doh: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
I'm not betting on that I'm starting to thinking it's a toolmaker/die maker thing if he like me. Then again he might be just a boss man with nothing else to do LMAO

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:11 pm
by narfi
My bet is minimal fairing under the foam, but not a reflective finish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:34 pm
by TomW1
Nope no sanding below the sole. He needs to leave the sides and all rough so the foam has something to grip on to. :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 12:57 am
by Jaysen
Mirror surface, then a couple swipes with 40g before foaming.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:37 am
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 9:15 pm Need to run a little pole here. What are the odds on the compartments that will be foam filled still getting faired to a mirror finish :doh: :lol: :lol:

I seen a few posts back Eric1 used the word "grind" and now "scuffed", lots of crazy talk there! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 4:12 pm
by Capt UB
Why not paint or spary in Rubber stuff......

Just where the foam will go...
It would seal it from water......
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:06 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 pm I'm not betting on that I'm starting to thinking it's a toolmaker/die maker thing if he like me. Then again he might be just a boss man with nothing else to do LMAO
Truth is somewhere in the middle. :lol:
narfi wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 11:11 pm My bet is minimal fairing under the foam, but not a reflective finish.
Smart Bet $$$ :)
TomW1 wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 11:34 pm Nope no sanding below the sole. He needs to leave the sides and all rough so the foam has something to grip on to. :D

Tom
Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!! :D :D :D
Capt UB wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 4:12 pm Why not paint or spary in Rubber stuff......

Just where the foam will go...
It would seal it from water......
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Really?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:10 pm
by Fuzz
Good to see the boat has not beat your sense of humour out of you :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:16 pm
by Eric1
So,I did get some more done today.
I decided it would be best for to layout like you see. Then epoxy this and come back and overlap the keel strips.
I'm having a very hard time balancing while I hold a cup of epoxy in one hand with a wet brush in the other.
It may not be ideal but it will work.

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Three strips wet out, 12 ounces used.
Yea, that's rich but I can't squeegee this with out moving the tape and making air pockets.

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More tomorrow. Y'all have a good evening.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:21 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 5:10 pm Good to see the boat has not beat your sense of humour out of you :lol:
I learned a long time back it's more fun to laugh at yourself than take things personal. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:49 pm
by cape_fisherman
Eric1 wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 11:22 am I hope everyone had a great weekend. I spent Saturday night cooking ribs for the church.
I'd just put these on at 6:30, I cooked until 12:00.
I wrapped them in foil , put them in the cooler and covered them with a couple of towels.
They stayed hot until Sunday night. Every family got at least a full rack.

Final product! How's that smoke ring?!!

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Not bad, sir...not bad

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Sure wish I had a pint of that hash.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:10 pm
by TomW1
Eric that was a lot of meat. Hope you are escaping all the rain down that way. Temps have dropped to high 80's, can now work on the cabin. Looking forward to more work on the C21.

Your bud

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:47 pm
by Eric1
Man those look good Cape Man!! If you was closer I bring you a quart or two! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:10 pm Eric that was a lot of meat. Hope you are escaping all the rain down that way. Temps have dropped to high 80's, can now work on the cabin. Looking forward to more work on the C21.

Your bud

Tom
I got caught in it leaving for home today. Thanks for checking in. :wink: :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:51 pm
by Capt UB
We are 10" over on rain.......

Eric, you could float your boat if you get the more rain.... ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:04 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 5:16 pm So,I did get some more done today.
I decided it would be best for to layout like you see. Then epoxy this and come back and overlap the keel strips.
I'm having a very hard time balancing while I hold a cup of epoxy in one hand with a wet brush in the other.
It may not be ideal but it will work.

Three strips wet out, 12 ounces used.
Yea, that's rich but I can't squeegee this with out moving the tape and making air pockets.

More tomorrow. Y'all have a good evening.
I was taping inside the hull today, I can stand outside my little boat and still reach in, was using a 2" chip brush but found it faster and easier to use a short nap 3" roller, very small diameter, for the 6" tape. I am taping frames so 90 degree angle. The diameter of the roller matched my fillets so made it easier. Weeeee!! Weeeee, weeee!

Looking good!

OQ

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:03 pm
by Eric1
Another bite of the elephant is done. Laid out tape on the keel.

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I used 15 ounces of epoxy to wet it out. I was able to use the squeegee so I didn't loose as much epoxy. :D

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Now I'm sitting in my office hitting the hard stuff!

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Just want to say a Big Thank You to Jeff for replacing the roll of biaxial tape. :D :D :D
I think you would be hard pressed to find a better company to do business with!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:39 pm
by Jeff
Eric, nice work!! Thank you for the kind words!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:07 am
by glossieblack
The pic with the ladder at the transom gives me a feel for volume of this 21 footer. She's a biggie compared to Skinnydip!

She's looking good Eric. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:53 am
by Eric1
Thank You Glossie! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:26 am
by flyfishingmonk
I ran three the full length just for good measure, but I also have a tendency to overkill.

Your epoxy and glass work looks great!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:11 pm
by Eric1
flyfishingmonk wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:26 am I ran three the full length just for good measure, but I also have a tendency to overkill.

Your epoxy and glass work looks great!

Casey
Thank You Casey. :D

Went to work this morning prepping the keel for more tape.
Sanded first layer with 80 grit and then vacuumed dust. Next I laid out my tape.

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Got it wet out by lunch.

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Came back from lunch and got last layer done. Next up will be glassing the transom.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:33 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looks like things are moving along nicely!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:00 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:33 pm Looks like things are moving along nicely!
Thank You Buddy!
I gotta slow down today. I'm going visit my Dad and check on him.
I started sanding the tape to knock the weave down. The white is from sanding not air just looks rough in picture.

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The other corner collected excess epoxy from tape layup. I'm sanding that away to make a better glass to glass bond.
There is no strength in plan epoxy .

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More to come...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:42 am
by Fuzz
As always your glass work looks good.
Glad to see you were able to get your sanding fix today :lol:
Hope all is well with your Dad and he is feeling his oats today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:58 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:42 am As always your glass work looks good.
Glad to see you were able to get your sanding fix today :lol:
Hope all is well with your Dad and he is feeling his oats today.
1. Does it seem like Eric took a LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNG time to get sanding in here?
2. Feeling his oats? I must now go do some research into the origin of that phrase.

Eric, Fuzz can suffer some withdrawal. Dad first, then boat. But you know that already.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:22 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! Y'all make me smile. I just got back, Dad seemed to be feeling good today.
My Brother and I were greeted to Jerry Clower quotes..."Shoot up here amongst us" etc.
So Yea, Dad was feeling pretty good and had eaten most of his lunch. We visited for around an hour and a half with him.
He stood up on his own a few times and chatted some. We left as often it happens, Dad just gets tired and goes to sleep.
He turned 78 last Saturday and is still kicking after all he's been through. I should be so lucky.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:52 am
by Fuzz
Not sure many of us will last as long as our folks or be in as good of shape so long. My Dad was pretty lucky. He was still getting around pretty good up until has was 80. I think has was just past his 80th when he killed his last Brown Bear.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:44 am
by Capt UB
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:52 am Not sure many of us will last as long as our folks or be in as good of shape so long. My Dad was pretty lucky. He was still getting around pretty good up until has was 80. I think has was just past his 80th when he killed his last Brown Bear.
So right Fuzz. My Mom is out working on her garden, it was a week ago she had a heart attack... 87 years old!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:47 pm
by Eric1
I did final prep work on transom. I went over my pencil lines with a marker.
These are a reference for stringers, centerline etc.

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Next I cut and fitted the fiberglass for tomorrow morning.
It's to hot this afternoon and I'm leaving early to take my daughter Judy out for her birthday.
She turned seventeen today. :D
Where does the time go?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:06 pm
by OrangeQuest
Your glass looks to be well trained! Wish I could get mine to do that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:06 pm Your glass looks to be well trained! Wish I could get mine to do that.
Lay it down and rub it out with hand or squeegee.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:06 pm Your glass looks to be well trained! Wish I could get mine to do that.
Lay it down and rub it out with hand or squeegee.
This sounds like some kind of massage parlor technique...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:14 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:06 pm Your glass looks to be well trained! Wish I could get mine to do that.
Lay it down and rub it out with hand or squeegee.
This sounds like some kind of massage parlor technique...
That's where I learned it!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:06 pm Your glass looks to be well trained! Wish I could get mine to do that.
Lay it down and rub it out with hand or squeegee.
This sounds like some kind of massage parlor technique...
8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:31 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:14 pm
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm

Lay it down and rub it out with hand or squeegee.
This sounds like some kind of massage parlor technique...
That's where I learned it!
8O 8O Soft music too? My hands are to rough and the glass gets snagged in them if I rub it or maybe it's to tense.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:54 pm
by Jaysen
Consider some hydrating lotion. The glass will enjoy it much much more.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:38 am
by TomW1
Gently, gently my boys. Remember Eric owns a machine shop and probably has all sorts of nicks out of his fingers. :lol: :lol: Treat the glass like your wife. 8O 8O

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:42 am
by Bogieman
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:04 am
by Eric1
Well Jaysen, You got a lot of laughs out the direction you took this thread. :)
So in response here is the "Happy Finish!" :lol:
It took 60 ounces of epoxy and two hours of work but it's done.

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Next up prep the rest of the hull for glass....Stay tuned.....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:40 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very tuned to this build. That is some nice glass work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:40 pm Very tuned to this build. That is some nice glass work.
Thank You BigOrange!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:56 pm
by Fuzz
60 oz of epoxy is a bunch. What was all that used for? I see new glass on the transom but is that more than one layer?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:00 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:56 pm 60 oz of epoxy is a bunch. What was all that used for? I see new glass on the transom but is that more than one layer?
I thought so too. I used ten solo cups at 6oz. per. Thing is I only used around 48-51 ounces on the outside.
I need to confirm the measure I used.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:01 pm
by Eric1
I double checked what I used on epoxy. I used 60 oz..
I put the numbers in the resin calculator and it said 80 ounces for 3 yards of 12 oz fabric 52 inches wide at 40%. So heck if I know.
I also check the lamination schedule to confirm how much glass goes on the transom. It says to use a single layer on the inside of the hull.
Then by chance I went back over the build notes. That said to put two layers on the transom. So I prepped the transom for another layer of glass.
It's hot as crap and I'm done for the day.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:05 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:01 pm I double checked what I used on epoxy. I used 60 oz..
I put the numbers in the resin calculator and it said 80 ounces for 3 yards of 12 oz fabric 52 inches wide at 40%. So heck if I know.
I also check the lamination schedule to confirm how much glass goes on the transom. It says to use a single layer on the inside of the hull.
Then by chance I went back over the build notes. That said to put two layers on the transom. So I prepped the transom for another layer of glass.
It's hot as crap and I'm done for the day.

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Remember you have no cutout for the OB..... So you would use more glass and epoxy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:59 pm
by Fuzz
Gallon of epoxy per layer of glass...........that girl has a BIG butt 8O
I do not know how you guys work in the heat. I keep thinking about that picture AA posted of his gloves soaked all the way through :help: Dont seem to have that problem much around here :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:05 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:59 pm Gallon of epoxy per layer of glass...........that girl has a BIG butt 8O
I do not know how you guys work in the heat. I keep thinking about that picture AA posted of his gloves soaked all the way through :help: Dont seem to have that problem much around here :P
And we don't have "fuzzy bear" trying to kill us every time we go outside.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:09 pm
by Fuzz
Here is something you can use if you have a little boo-bo. Jaysen will use it every day more than likely :lol:
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:38 pm
by narfi
"oops"

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:53 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:09 pm Here is something you can use if you have a little boo-bo. Jaysen will use it every day more than likely :lol:
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Love That! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:57 pm
by Jaysen
Replace near with, in order
Seasickness
Hurricanes
Sharks
Wife
And we’re talking my life all day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:26 am
by Fuzz
Hey Eric do you see how Woodenyouknowit is doing his stringers? Sure might save you a bunch of crawling in and out. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:23 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:26 am Hey Eric do you see how Woodenyouknowit is doing his stringers? Sure might save you a bunch of crawling in and out. :wink:
Yea, I saw that. Not sure I want to try that.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:23 am
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:26 am Hey Eric do you see how Woodenyouknowit is doing his stringers? Sure might save you a bunch of crawling in and out. :wink:
Yea, I saw that. Not sure I want to try that.
If it is assembled like my little boat the stringers are taped in full length with single run of tape on both sides. The frames would then need to be trimmed to the new thickness of the stringers and the thickness of the tape on the hull before taping them in. Lot of areas for me to mess things up but I like the idea!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 pm
by Eric1
My stringers get two layers each side.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:16 pm
by Eric1
To hot to do glass today. Day started at 80 inside. As of lunch we're back to one AC running.
I cut and fitted this to wet out in the morning. Praying it cools down overnight.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:49 am
by Eric1
Much nicer today. Cool and rainy, Plus AC is working.
Shop was 70 degrees this morning! Epoxy flowed like water on a towel too.
The second layer is complete. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:57 am
by Jaysen
When does the sanding start?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:00 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:01 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:00 am Nice work Eric!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:02 pm
by Capt UB
Don't glue in the ladder :wink:

Looking great Eric.

That motor mount you are putting on, will it have bolts going above the bottom clamping plate?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:06 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:02 pm Don't glue in the ladder :wink:

Looking great Eric.

That motor mount you are putting on, will it have bolts going above the bottom clamping plate?
I would not think so. :)
As far as epoxing the ladder, no way. I may end up gluing myself to the hull when I glass the bottom! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:09 pm
by Capt UB
"I may end up gluing myself to the hull when I glass the bottom!"

My dog Hope laid down in some drips of epoxy on my Chalmette build.... she was not too happy.... had to cut her fir right at the skin! It was funny, but don't tell her that!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:11 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:09 pm "I may end up gluing myself to the hull when I glass the bottom!"

My dog Hope laid down in some drips of epoxy on my Chalmette build.... she was not too happy.... had to cut her fir right at the skin! It was funny, but don't tell her that!!!
Yikes!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:38 pm
by Fuzz
Really nice looking glass work there Eric :wink: Did this layer take another 50oz of epoxy?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:44 pm
by OrangeQuest
Really looking good! If you left it a little rough it would give you something else to sand!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:04 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:38 pm Really nice looking glass work there Eric :wink: Did this layer take another 50oz of epoxy?
Yea Bro, It was 60 oz. . Same as first.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:13 pm
by Eric1
This is a question for Jacques. What do you think about me using foam for the cleats?
I like working with the stuff and I have some on hand, That said I would have to order some more to have enough.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:24 pm
by jacquesmm
Yes, you can if the foam cleats are fiberglassed.
Fiberglass a sheet of foam on 2 sides, cut strips, make cleats.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:25 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:24 pm Yes, you can if the foam cleats are fiberglassed.
Fiberglass a sheet of foam on 2 sides, cut strips, make cleats.
Thank You

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:48 pm
by Eric1
After consulting with Jacques, I thought it best to add a third layer to the clamping board section of transom.
This is because I intend to use a larger motor than plans call for.
This is 102" long x 36" wide. It's back to being very warm in the shop in the afternoon so I'll wet this in the morning. :)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:35 am
by Eric1
I got this finished today. Layup went smooth.
I only needed 40 ounces of epoxy to do this layer.

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Finished.

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I am considering the use of peelply for the bottom and side layup.
I want to reduce the sanding as well as have a smoother surface for me when I'm on my knees.
Have any of you used it on biaxial?
Does it greatly reduce the rough surface of the weave?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:38 am
by Jaysen
So maybe I'm cheap and stupid (notice the and ...). All that is under the sole and sealed/foamed other than limited bilge, right? What value is there to making it mirror smooth? I get the knee on the glass discomfort, but wouldn't knee pads work for that?

Edumacate me gently.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:35 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:38 am So maybe I'm cheap and stupid (notice the and ...). All that is under the sole and sealed/foamed other than limited bilge, right? What value is there to making it mirror smooth? I get the knee on the glass discomfort, but wouldn't knee pads work for that?

Edumacate me gently.
It's not about being mirror smooth. I just want a surface that doesn't cut my flesh.
I have a very hard time because of the way my right knee was re-constructed.
I can't fold that leg underneath me and sit comfortably. Also can't spend much time on knees, even with the pads.
They help a lot but unfortunately I'm still limited. :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:54 pm
by Fuzz
I think a 2 foot square piece of foam pad would help just as much and cost a lot less. They make a pad called an ergokneel but I have no idea where you might get one. They gave them to us at my old job. "job" I studder every time I say that word :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:55 pm
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:35 pm It's not about being mirror smooth. I just want a surface that doesn't cut my flesh.
I have a very hard time because of the way my right knee was re-constructed.
I can't fold that leg underneath me and sit comfortably. Also can't spend much time on knees, even with the pads.
They help a lot but unfortunately I'm still limited. :(
Eric, your pain-free-as-possible build plan sounds very rational to someone like myself who has to proceed the same way to keep at it.

Build on my friend, build on. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:33 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:54 pm I think a 2 foot square piece of foam pad would help just as much and cost a lot less. They make a pad called an ergokneel but I have no idea where you might get one. They gave them to us at my old job. "job" I studder every time I say that word :lol:
Thanks Fuzz, I'll look into those. 8)
I'm thinking about trying some interlocking foam pads I've seen first. I had hope to save the peel ply for the sides of the boat.
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:55 pm Eric, your pain-free-as-possible build plan sounds very rational to someone like myself who has to proceed the same way to keep at it.

Build on my friend, build on. 8)
Thanks for the support my Friend. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:13 pm
by OrangeQuest
Maybe you could get a rig like this, looks pain free.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0


:lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:31 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:13 pm Maybe you could get a rig like this, looks pain free.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0


:lol:
All joking aside, sail makers use a similar rig much like the harness on a paraglider. :wink:
I'm gonna try an ergo mat or locking blocks of foam.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi,
I am all with you that is a pain having to knee a lot whilst building our boats and my knees are also very soon sore and I used peel ply not to save my knees but to get a nice surface. This I only did on the outside of the hull. On the inside I battled along with rubber pads over my knees and then I used pigmented epoxy like in the floor storage hatches. I should have used what Jacques calls poor mans peel ply but I most probably lacked the patience necessary to put plastic on without creases. In general it is the biggest problem we all do not work as tidy as glossy in his spotless operating theatre where I have never seen a drop of epoxy where it should not be. Maybe that is why I like his thread so much to see how the boat shed could look. I am finished kneeing in my boat but now I have to knee on the floor of the shed for the trailer adaptation and now my knees are the most sore because they definitely find any hard epoxy drop on the carpet and that is because the whole carpet is covered with the mess I made.Once I got the boat out of there the carpet will land in the rubbish bin and I put in a laminate floor. Coming back to your build which I admire all the time and now you came up with a fascinating idea to make cleats out of foam and fibreglass. Please let us have pictures as soon as possible of your first foam cleats. I might then be the first one to copy you.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:02 pm
by Eric1
gonandkarl wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pm Hi,
I am all with you that is a pain having to knee a lot whilst building our boats and my knees are also very soon sore and I used peel ply not to save my knees but to get a nice surface. This I only did on the outside of the hull. On the inside I battled along with rubber pads over my knees and then I used pigmented epoxy like in the floor storage hatches. I should have used what Jacques calls poor mans peel ply but I most probably lacked the patience necessary to put plastic on without creases. In general it is the biggest problem we all do not work as tidy as glossy in his spotless operating theatre where I have never seen a drop of epoxy where it should not be. Maybe that is why I like his thread so much to see how the boat shed could look. I am finished kneeing in my boat but now I have to knee on the floor of the shed for the trailer adaptation and now my knees are the most sore because they definitely find any hard epoxy drop on the carpet and that is because the whole carpet is covered with the mess I made.Once I got the boat out of there the carpet will land in the rubbish bin and I put in a laminate floor. Coming back to your build which I admire all the time and now you came up with a fascinating idea to make cleats out of foam and fibreglass. Please let us have pictures as soon as possible of your first foam cleats. I might then be the first one to copy you.
Greetings from Karl
Thank you very much for your kind words Karl. :D I have watched your build along the way as well. You've done a fantastic job!
A young man would think nothing of the work we are doing, but those of of us that have a few years on the body truly can appreciate endeavor of a boat build. Karl I can't wait to see "Wilde Qualle" take the wind! I wish you the best. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:09 pm
by Eric1
Only a small amount of progress today. I sanded a taper where the side panels meet in preparation for fillets and glass.
I can't see boat work tomorrow as we are going to celebrate a young man's birthday from our church birthday.
I wish you all a great weekend!

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Bevel location..

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:14 pm
by narfi
might need to put a straight edge against that lower sanding line, it looks a little wavy in the picture......

just messin :)

Looking looking great. Better than I did before filleting it, but I told myself its under the floor and no one will see it, just needs to be smooth enough there arent air pockets under the tape and glass.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:28 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Narfi!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:31 pm
by narfi
Ah my bad, I see why you had it sooooo clean looking now, the close up picture had me thinking it was the chine seam. Still looks great (and more work than my boat o.0 )

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:59 am
by Capt UB
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Anybody seen Eric? :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:58 pm
by TomW1
Eric I'm home. An eventful last Thursday, Iowa had to show her muscle. About 2PM she hit the cabin with straight line winds of 60 up to 80 mph winds. It rocked the cabin. Threw the 100+ bound grill + propane tand off the raised deck plus another 20 feet past it. :lol: Welding joints broken couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again. Went out and bought a new one. Had to have one to celebrate the end of our 3 weks and grill the 1 3/4 choice Black Angus rib eyes. A nice 550 sear teno and they were delicious.

The boat is looking great.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:03 pm
by Eric1
Glad ya'll are back. You could have waited on the new grill. Its been so hot you can cook steaks by leaving them outside a while! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:08 pm
by TomW1
Yea it was 93 we left Saturday morning. :lol: Our farm only had 5/8 of rain the whole time we were in the 3 week we were out there.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:20 pm
by Eric1
Hey Everyone, I spent Monday and Tuesday scrapping and sanding all the tape.
I could only work until noon due to the heat.

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I got in this morning and did my best to lay out the fabric from transom to bow.
I about killed myself trying to lay it down in the bow. So I decided to cut it short and just overlap a short section after the bottom is done.
The overlap should be behind the last frame and out of the way of the front of the stringers.
This is the best I can do. :|

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This layout looks like crap but I can't get the fabric to lay down better than this.
I'm having to sit/stand on it, so taking up slack is almost impossible.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:37 pm
by Fuzz
Not to worry my man. A little resin will make that lay down just fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:38 pm
by Jeff
Agree with Fuzz but the cloth does not look bad either!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:05 pm
by fallguy1000
Looks great to me. That heat though...ouch.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
It really does look good.

We have had off and on rain since Sunday and the temps have been a comfy mid 80's. But Still sweating and it drips. Thinking I may be making a pair of shorts out of my painter's dust suit. Sanding, sanding and more sanding! :cry:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:27 pm
by Eric1
I know that song OQ! Thanks for the kind words guys.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
Got approval today to get a big fan that pushes 17000+ CFM after the weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:53 pm
by Capt UB
Great work... Are you missing the cold weather yet!?
I know I am.... Heat Sun and Rain, thats all I'm getting here.

Keep the build photos coming..

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:53 pm Great work... Are you missing the cold weather yet!?
I know I am.... Heat Sun and Rain, thats all I'm getting here.

Keep the build photos coming..
Yes I am. Thanks Bob. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:08 pm
by Jaysen
I guess... I’m glad you got some sanding in? You seem to enjoy it so I hope it’s a good thing.

Question: is the plan to wet the wood, roll glass and soak in resin then unroll glass in place? I’m trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to figure out how that’s going to work with a 12oz batch’s and a squeegee. But maybe I lack imagination.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:13 pm
by Eric1
First let me assure you I hate sanding fiberglass. The plan is to lift glass, roll epoxy then put glass in place and wet it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:17 pm
by Jaysen
Dry glass on wet (tacky) wood, roll in straight. Yes?

So sanding pleasure is fairing company and paint only?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:18 pm
by Eric1
Correct on both. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:31 pm
by Jaysen
So... how are preventing pooling in the keel seam?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:33 pm
by Eric1
I'm just going to try to stay on top of it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:42 pm
by Jaysen
I’ve been thinking about how you lay these big sheets with out making a huge mess. I’m looking forward to the tutorial.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:54 am
by Capt UB
Can you do the glass cloth in sections inside the hull? Thinking you would overlap like the glass cloth on the botton/keel layup, but smaller sections.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:38 am
by OrangeQuest
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:42 pm I’ve been thinking about how you lay these big sheets with out making a huge mess. I’m looking forward to the tutorial.
I was looking at where Eric was walking and leaving foot prints of epoxy in the hull, even those look well placed and very thought out. I too will be looking forward to the tutorial. May help when I need to lay more than a few feet of glass inside something. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:04 am
by Eric1
Nothing much going on. Shop work is dead slow thanks to the tariffs.
At least it gave me and my brother time to install the last of the led lights.
I can see in the boat now. Maybe that will help.
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I'm going to measure the fiberglass so I can calculate the epoxy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:10 am
by Jeff
Great shop Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:35 pm
by Capt UB
Eric check into using cloth ducts coming off main trunk line (ac system). I have and will be installing more where I work, 300,000 sq. ft. buildings... Much better air distribution, cold and heat. Saves electricity... like LED's.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:37 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:35 pm Eric check into using cloth ducts coming off main trunk line (ac system). I have and will be installing more where I work, 300,000 sq. ft. buildings... Much better air distribution, cold and heat. Saves electricity... like LED's.
Thanks for the tip Bob. I will when we can afford to replace the AC's that are gone. I need $30k but I can't spend it right now due to lack of work.
The tariff has slowed our business to a crawl. Right now we're in survival mode. I wish I could find some steady work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:02 pm
by TomW1
I was worried about how the tarrifs would affect you Eric.. I have never known of a tariff that has not hurt has not hurt the country putting them on.

Take care guy.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:07 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:02 pm I was worried about how the tarrifs would affect you Eric.. I have never known of a tariff that has not hurt has not hurt the country putting them on.

Take care guy.

Tom
Thanks Buddy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:43 pm
by Fuzz
I am sure it is not helping you Eric and I am afraid before this idiot is done he is going to land all of us in the sewer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:20 pm
by Eric1
I went to work this morning of glass work. I used 11-9 ounce batches and one at three ounces.
This was 196" of 12 ounce biax. My buddy Marc mixed while I poured and spread.
First 18 ounces..
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A little more...

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This is finished.

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Started at 8:15 and finished at 11:27.

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That's all for now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:30 pm
by Capt UB
Looks great! You got it down now! Making it look too easy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:10 am
by TomW1
Eric damn I a m getting old went to the eye doctor today. Have a cataract that only lets me see 40% in my ly left eye that si keeping me from seeing properly. It is hard even to even read the posts on here.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:45 am
by glossieblack
Quality work and nice progress Eric. :D

And Tom, those of us on the wrong side of 70 know there is not a single net positive in getting old. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:19 am
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:10 am Eric damn I a m getting old went to the eye doctor today. Have a cataract that only lets me see 40% in my ly left eye that si keeping me from seeing properly. It is hard even to even read the posts on here.

Tom
Dang! I hope you have it scheduled to have it removed. We need you here keep the eyes sharp. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am
by Jeff
Eric, bad news for Tom, hate it for him!!! Are you working on your boat today? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am Eric, bad news for Tom, hate it for him!!! Are you working on your boat today? Jeff
No Jeff, I've got other things to do.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:55 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am
Jeff wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am Eric, bad news for Tom, hate it for him!!! Are you working on your boat today? Jeff
No Jeff, I've got other things to do.
Do you really?

:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:10 am
by Fuzz
Dang Eric you were on a roll, should have knocked out the other side while you were at it :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:23 am
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:10 am Dang Eric you were on a roll, should have knocked out the other side while you were at it :lol: :lol:
Things were moving along very well!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:56 am
by Eric1
You have to laugh. I came in this morning after a good weekend and found airbubbles.
I'm blaming these on Rick Laport! He mentioned on my facebook post he had them show up on his TW28 a few hours after he laid glass. :lol:
No big deal, seriously, just the best laid plans of mice and men.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:03 am
by OrangeQuest
I get them too, wonder if it is the heat? Still looks really good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:28 pm
by joe2700
If temp is rising while the glass cures the ply will keep outgassing. You can probably avoid this by glassing while temps are falling if it's a problem.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:44 pm
by Capt UB
As careful as we are building these boats.... Make me wander about the All Glass boats I have paid a lot for! We don't get to see inside the production built boats....

Stephen she looking great. And you are right it is a big boat! Stay cool... 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:11 am
by fallguy1000
Sorry friends, I did not know it was sold here!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:34 am
by jacquesmm
I prefer to buy it from here:
https://boatbuildercentral.com/proddeta ... ler_Hybrid

BBC has 4 different types.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:12 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I do believe it is out gassing. I looked back at your pictures of when you laid the glass and there are no bubbles where they are now.
This leads back to a question I asked long ago that never did get fully answered. That being is it better to coat your wood and let the glass go off before adding glass. That would cure this problem but then there is that bonding thing :doh: I think Cracker did it that way as he liked to wash his work clean regularly and to do that the wood had to be sealed.
I think the next thing I build will be coated first. A light sanding and it will be ready to go. It has been said many times the epoxy bond is so strong it would take a lab to tell the difference between primary and secondary bonds.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:06 pm
by BB Sig
I hope the tariffs get gone soon but I agree with what he is trying to do. It always sucks that someone has to pay when ANY politician decides to make a statement. The crap stinks on both sides of the aisle!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:08 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:06 pm I hope the tariffs get gone soon but I agree with what he is trying to do. It always sucks that someone has to pay when ANY politician decides to make a statement. The crap stinks on both sides of the aisle!
I still like him but tariffs suck.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:49 pm
by Marshall Moser
I think the "downturn" due to the tariffs will be short-lived. This is the intended effect.

http://www.counton2.com/news/local-news ... 1263383115

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/sou ... ng-tariffs

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:24 pm
by Eric1
I got out a small bit of work today. I patched the air bubbles and pulled fillets in the side joints.
My brother and I had to attend some family business so we were gone most of the day.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:40 pm
by Capt UB
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:12 pm Eric I do believe it is out gassing. I looked back at your pictures of when you laid the glass and there are no bubbles where they are now.
This leads back to a question I asked long ago that never did get fully answered. That being is it better to coat your wood and let the glass go off before adding glass. That would cure this problem but then there is that bonding thing :doh: I think Cracker did it that way as he liked to wash his work clean regularly and to do that the wood had to be sealed.
I think the next thing I build will be coated first. A light sanding and it will be ready to go. It has been said many times the epoxy bond is so strong it would take a lab to tell the difference between primary and secondary bonds.

I asked a long time ago about this too. On a FB group, someone said to coat all ply first, let it cure, wash and sand, then glass. He was talking about the hot summer months. I have been doing this on the FS14. I was thinking I was adding a lot of weight!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:52 pm
by Jaysen
I thought three coat before glass was standard. “Full encapsulation” is how I think JM says it.

Not sure about the full cite though. I thought JM suggested hard but no need for fill cure. It’ll be interesting to see what he says.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:17 pm
by fallguy1000
That is a lot of boat.

Fun to watch. Hope the weather agrees a bit for you

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:04 am
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:52 pm I thought three coat before glass was standard. “Full encapsulation” is how I think JM says it.

Not sure about the full cite though. I thought JM suggested hard but no need for fill cure. It’ll be interesting to see what he says.
I am thinking one thin coat to seal the wood before glassing. That way you can wash it off after sanding the tape. The layer of glass will be the real total encapsulation.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:11 am
by glossieblack
Sounds right to me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:01 am
by Jaysen
Yeah.. “three coat” should have been “the coat”. Can I blame:
1. Excessive sun
2. Memories of sailing
3. Beer number 4
For this?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:47 am
by Bogieman
Your build is looking really good, Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:15 am
by Eric1
Bogieman wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:47 am Your build is looking really good, Eric.
Thank You. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:57 am
by Eric1
Rolled out the glass on the other side. Of course the roll wasn't enough and the ends are frayed. :x
I'll wet it out and trim it so I have a cleaner edge. I have another short roll to finish with later.

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I also placed the front section from the first side. I did the best I could but I'm a bit shy on the overlap.
The piece that's hanging on the side of the boat (upper left of picture) will cover the overlap.

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I also have some short pieces cut to cover the air bubble patches from the first side.
I plan to wet all this out tomorrow morning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:55 pm
by Capt UB
It's coming along fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:33 pm
by Fuzz
Your glass job looks really good Eric. I know you will be one happy fellow when you are able to work and not be on your knees :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:49 am
by glossieblack
You've just about got the bottom beat. And the glassing looks great. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:03 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Capt. UB, Fuzz and Glossie.

The company is closed for the forth until July 6 but an employee and friend came in to help me today.
He's even willing to come in Monday so we can get the glass done on the rest of the bottom! :D
So we had a nice cool 70 degree shop at 7:15. We drank some coffee and shot the bull until 8:00 then we went to work.
Here is the first bow section done.

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Then we started wetting out the long section on the bottom. Again this was the last of a roll I had.
You can see the end and the chine side was very frayed and loose. For that matter the fiberglass was loose in the stitching.
As you can see I didn't bother trying to wet that junk. I wet it out until It started to get in to the stringy crap.
The plan was to come back after an hour or so and cut a clean line with my rotary cutter.
I played hell getting it to lay down at the chine.
At one point I looked up and the fabric had wrinkled underneath me and lifted/pulled away from the chine. :x
I went into panic mode trying to straighten this mess out. Needless to say my language left a lot to be desired. 8O
Never the less, I was able to repair the fabric and get back on track.

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This is from the transom view. You can see my plan of attack was fruitful. :wink:
All the crappy ends are neatly trim away. Yes, I see the air bubbles in the chine.
They were out of reach so I'll have to deal with them later. :|

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Last picture, This is patched air bubbles from the first side. Filled with 2/3 milled glass and 1/3 wood flour.
I would have used all milled glass but I was concerned with it wanting to slab and run. The small amount of wood flour worked great.
I covered the fill with a small piece of 12 oz. biax. The last one, about center left in the picture, I didn't cover with clothe.
It is so close to the inside stringer the tape will cover it twice.

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Well that's all I have for now. I hope everyone has a great Forth of July!
If the Lord permits, I'll post some more progress next week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:21 pm
by fallguy1000
Looks pretty good.

Hand laminating can NOT be done without some air intrusion. It is essentially impossible. So, give yourself a little break on it.

I get the frustration when things go wrong. Nothing worse than being half done and 'it's kicking!'

What is your chine glass schedule?

Then at the lower chine; why is it dark? I would have expected a fillet there that would be lighter in color, but I might be clueless.

Take care. I like following your build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:24 pm
by fallguy1000
When you run the laminating roller; only go toward the chine; never away. This drives excess fabric into the chine only and prevents the bubbling.

The opposite for outside radiuses. Never toward the radius; only away.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:12 pm
by TomW1
Keep up the good work. Have a happy 4th.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:02 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:21 pm Looks pretty good.

Hand laminating can NOT be done without some air intrusion. It is essentially impossible. So, give yourself a little break on it.

I get the frustration when things go wrong. Nothing worse than being half done and 'it's kicking!'

What is your chine glass schedule?

Then at the lower chine; why is it dark? I would have expected a fillet there that would be lighter in color, but I might be clueless.

Take care. I like following your build.
Thanks for the tips and kind words. :D Inside chines is two layers tape then fabric. I guess the wood flour just shows through.

TomW1 wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:12 pm Keep up the good work. Have a happy 4th.

Tom

Thanks Tom! May you have a Great Forth as well. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:32 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looking really good, even your bubble patches. Happy 4th!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:06 am
by Eric1
Everything went well this morning. My Friend Marc Ruff came in and helped me mix and get the last glass on the bottom.
I had to sand the places I would overlap. Then we set the fabric. It was the perfect amount left over from glassing the outside.
Once I trimmed the biax I used the little piece to cover the very top at the bow.

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This is after 18 ounces of epoxy.

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As before from there I wet out the chine. This helps hold the fiberglass in place as I move around on it.

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I had air starting to form in the chines. I went over it with a corner roller and a bubble roller like Fallguy described.
It seemed to work. We'll see after the epoxy sets.

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I have a slight amount of pooling around back edge and just below the chine but all in all I'm very happy with this. :D

I had to take one more picture!

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That's all for now... 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:29 am
by pee wee
Nice progress!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:48 am
by glossieblack
Yes, nice progress indeed. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:49 am
by OrangeQuest
Looking good! Hope it stays bubble free.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:03 am
by cape man
That's a lot of laminating! Looks great from here.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:26 am
by Jeff
Eric, well done!! That is a huge amount of work behind you!! Again, well done!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:01 am
by topwater
Boy that brings back memories , one more layer to go :?:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 am
by blueflood
Beings back memories Topwater ?
Uh yep...memories I would rather forget :lol: 8O

Great going Eric...don't be discouraged, you are doing fine.

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:45 am
by Eric1
Thanks everyone.
I hope everybody had a great Forth. We cooked a frogmore stew and made ice cream with the family.
Not a lot going on today. I came in rearranged the scaffolds and finished the last section of style line fillet.
Tomorrow we have a family reunion of my wife's side. I don't know but a few of them but they all remember my girl's so we attend.
I have some epoxy places that pooled/ran I need to take care of then I'll glass the sides.

Last fillet done.
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What do y'all think about me adding two or three more layers at the bow.
I'm talking about where the bow eye will run through the hull.
Would I be better served to glue in a piece of white oak or pine?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:09 pm
by Dougster
I glued in a chunk of wood on both of mine, oak I think. Made me feel more secure. I was a little trouble cutting one to fit then over drilling/filling/re-drilling though. Still, I didn't trust just glass. I'm curious what other guys think.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:23 pm
by Jaysen
do both?

put in a few layers of glass and fillet to build out a base for a wood backer. then put in your wood with a few more layers of glass. Over drill, fill, gasket, bolt, enjoy.

But that's just me. I'm sure "either or" will work fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:24 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:23 pm do both?

put in a few layers of glass and fillet to build out a base for a wood backer. then put in your wood with a few more layers of glass. Over drill, fill, gasket, bolt, enjoy.

But that's just me. I'm sure "either or" will work fine.
That's kinda what I'm thinking but I may use a piece of aluminum instead of wood.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:26 pm
by Jaysen
Why not some stainless? I'd think it would give you better support with little weight difference. Use the glass to distribute the load of "pulling" over the bow section so you really only need the metal for the immediate distribution of the force created by the backing nuts. I may be thinking it all through wrong though.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:29 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:26 pm Why not some stainless? I'd think it would give you better support with little weight difference. Use the glass to distribute the load of "pulling" over the bow section so you really only need the metal for the immediate distribution of the force created by the backing nuts. I may be thinking it all through wrong though.
I won't rule it out. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm
by Capt UB
The Gods Must Be Crazy

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This is the real test to see if you tie down eye bolts are strong enough.... :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:32 pm
by Eric1
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:41 pm
by Fuzz
I would go with glass and wood. You will pull the boat apart before you pull it out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:56 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:41 pm I would go with glass and wood. You will pull the boat apart before you pull it out.
Considering how much of this you've done, I'll take your advise and that way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:11 pm
by fallguy1000
My boat has 7" of foam there.

I am having a custom 10" 316 ss bow eye built.

We will overdrill the foam and refill solid with cabosil and put a ss backing plate on the inside.

The outside is a 12" long piece of 1.080" id smoothbore 316 stainless butterflied so any lateral movement doesn't damage the glass n foam on the bow.

For yours, if you laminate a chunk of white oak cut to match the vee, overtightening might split the hull seam, but probably what I'd do.

Otherwise, cabosil n glass will work, too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:23 am
by topwater
Count up all the layers of glass that will be there when you are done . There will be a bunch.
I used a 24" purple heart backing plate glassed in , plenty strong .
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Best pic i have but you can see it up in the bow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:10 am
by TomW1
Eric I would go with wood as you are going to have to shape it to fit. The bow eye will have a SS a front and rear backing plate any way.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:55 am
by Eric1
Thank for the help guys. I have a plan now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:03 am
by fallguy1000
I think I'd actually use a piece of white oak and install it with 5200 instead of laminating it in woth epoxy.

That way when you start to tighten; any pressures will be taken by the 5200. The hull seam would never split then. And you can actually watch the 5200 ooze.

Wedges have lotsa power to break shit.

Another option would be to use a rubber washer or okume washer on top the backing plate. It would start to deform when you were tight enough.

Or maybe I am overthinking it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:29 pm
by Eric1
I'm moving very slow on the boat. The heat is ridiculous this year.
This is our temp inside the shop.

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Still, I got a second pass on the style line fillet.
First fillets were lacking in my opinion. I also sanded the sides in prep for epoxy.
I'm going to apply epoxy first on those and kiss sand the with 80 grit before glassing.
Here is where I am.

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Work is still on the slow side but we picked up a few orders this week.
Including a project that will pull me off of the boat for a few weeks.
My biggest customer told me they are the slowest he's seen it in eight years.
I'm hoping for better days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:48 pm
by Fuzz
I hope the work thing picks up for you even if it is at the expense of boat up dates.
Buddy I have to tell you that your glass work is a thing of pure beauty.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Is it regional? Up here it's crazy everyone is hiring and we are already full for the year and he has got his employees a little hot by accepting work we all know we can't get done on time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:03 pm
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:48 pm I hope the work thing picks up for you even if it is at the expense of boat up dates.
Buddy I have to tell you that your glass work is a thing of pure beauty.
It is amazing to see your glass work! I also hope you guys pick up. I have the same little clock in my warehouse....Shows the same temp too! Just mine shows I am central time zone.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:30 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:48 pm I hope the work thing picks up for you even if it is at the expense of boat up dates.
Buddy I have to tell you that your glass work is a thing of pure beauty.
Thanks my Friend. :)
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm Is it regional? Up here it's crazy everyone is hiring and we are already full for the year and he has got his employees a little hot by accepting work we all know we can't get done on time.
It's related to my customers finished product. All the raw stock and finished product is under tariff from chine.
The EU is soon to be as well on these items. If the EU gets the tariff I will pick up most of the work I'd lost in December.
It mostly due to stainless pricing more than anything.
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:03 pm
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:48 pm I hope the work thing picks up for you even if it is at the expense of boat up dates.
Buddy I have to tell you that your glass work is a thing of pure beauty.
It is amazing to see your glass work! I also hope you guys pick up. I have the same little clock in my warehouse....Shows the same temp too! Just mine shows I am central time zone.
Thanks Big orange! :) Sorry you are in the heat too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:45 pm
by Bogieman
Wow! She's looking really good. You're right about the heat in SC this year; it's been brutal, especially for guys like me working in their backyard :D

I'm not one with a whole lot of boat building experience but thought I'd mention how I do fillets. The large Popsicle sticks are my favorite tool for them. And they are the only tool I use for fillets. You can apply contour and clean way the excess with the same stick and they end up perfect every time. Just a thought. You may have a better method.

Bogie

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:51 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Well hopefully they get it straighten out soon. Or if they are playing the inventory game too they run out and still have to have your parts anyway. 👍on the boat too

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:54 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:51 pm Well hopefully they get it straighten out soon. Or if they are playing the inventory game too they run out and still have to have your parts anyway. 👍on the boat too
Thanks Friend. I suspect some of that too as the last order they a wanting it shipped UPS red.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:54 am
by icelikkilinc
On TW28, I have used salvaged teak.
to shape the wood I cut slits to take the bow shape
than loads of epoxy wood flour mix to the hull
press the wood and and the slits and around are full with epoxy mix.
loads of wood pieces fabricated to press into shape till dry
after dry, epoxy/wood flour to fillet and fill any missed gaps so that you can easily glass over
2 layers of 12 biax and that aint going anywhere..

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 pm
by wegcagle
You’re doing an amazing job so far Eric. I’ve enjoyed catching up on this thread. I’m really impressed with both your fiberglass skills as well as the fact that you don’t appear to have ANY bow droop on her! Alot of previous builders of C19/21s suffered from bow droop during the stitching process.

Fantastic!

Will

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:59 am
by Eric1
wegcagle wrote: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 pm You’re doing an amazing job so far Eric. I’ve enjoyed catching up on this thread. I’m really impressed with both your fiberglass skills as well as the fact that you don’t appear to have ANY bow droop on her! Alot of previous builders of C19/21s suffered from bow droop during the stitching process.

Fantastic!

Will
Thank you so much Will. :) There is a little bit of bow droop but it's not enough to complain.

I've got a full day with programming new parts so I could only take a small bite out of the C21.
I wet out the sides with epoxy. I hope this will help with the air bubbles though that has not been a great issue.
It would be nice if I can glass the sides without having to repair any. :lol:
You can't tell from the pictures but when I put the second fillet coat on I waited for about 45 minutes then went over the fillets with denatured alcohol and my finger to smooth them. It works very well, they are slick! :wink:

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Hopefully I can get glass on her next week. I may try tomorrow, we'll see.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:58 am
by glossieblack
Eric, she's looking soooooo good! :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:23 am
by Jeff
You got a huge amount done!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:22 pm
by Dutch1
That looks great Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:01 pm
by OrangeQuest
Moving a long nicely!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:12 am
by glossieblack
Looking forward to seeing some stringer action. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:57 am
by Bogieman
Very niiiicccce

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:52 am
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone!
I sanded everything with 80 grit this morning. I found two air pockets at the seam of the starboard side.
Had I not epoxied Friday I would have missed them. They have been repaired.
You can see them in the picture. the two darker spot where the long panel was formed.

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I'll wipe up dust after lunch. Next up is glassing. I have a roll of biax I bought from Tom I hope it's enough to do the sides.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:35 pm
by Eric1
My nephew Christian helped me roll out the fabric.
Starboard side is in place.

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Bow

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I'm gonna place port side in the morning. Depending on temp Friday morning I may wet all of this out. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:45 pm
by Fuzz
Looking good there Eric :D
I hope you guys know I am getting a kick out of hearing all you southern dudes talk about it being too hot :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:46 pm
by OrangeQuest
That is really looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:48 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:45 pm Looking good there Eric :D
I hope you guys know I am getting a kick out of hearing all you southern dudes talk about it being too hot :lol:
Thanks Buddy! I imagine you are. It just seems miserable this year.
If I were wealthy I'd move to Alaska or Canada for the summer. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:54 pm
by Fuzz
All of us just need to be as smart as a goose :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:09 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:54 pm All of us just need to be as smart as a goose :D
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:15 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:46 pm That is really looking good!
Muchas Gracias!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:05 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Hey, I recognize those photos from the Wooden Boat Facebook page. :o

You know me on there as "Robert Smith" but my real name is Jay. The secrecy is because of my job. I'm the one building the C17.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:28 am
by Eric1
Knoxville_Jay wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:05 pm Hey, I recognize those photos from the Wooden Boat Facebook page. :o

You know me on there as "Robert Smith" but my real name is Jay. The secrecy is because of my job. I'm the one building the C17.
Yep, I thought that was you. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:48 am
by Knoxville_Jay
Yeah, it's funny because I was looking through this thread thinking, "wait a minute... that boat looks familiar... that workshop looks familiar, too..." lol.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:46 pm
by Eric1
I got glass on second side. If cool enough I'll wet out one side in the morning.
I'm going to try a 7" roller to wet followed by squeegee and porcupine roller.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:26 am
by Fuzz
That ladder sure reminds everyone just how big your boat is :!:
I love how you get every thing all laid out and ready before starting. Maybe that is why your glass work is so neat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:40 am
by BB Sig
Amazing work Eric! I'm hoping you get back to work soon but I sure enjoy your pictures of the boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:06 am
by Dougster
I cannot fathom how anyone can make glass fit that neatly. We need a hats off icon.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:14 am
by Jaysen
He probably used a CNC mill to cut it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:00 am
by Eric1
Wow! Thank You everyone for the nice replies!! :D
I started at 8:00 this morning. It was 74 degrees in the shop. I got the starboard side laid up.
I used 13,9 oz. batches and a single 6 oz. at the end. Waste was about an ounce.
Finish time was 10:00 at 80 degrees. Ninety five percent of this layup was done with a 7" wide 1/8" nap red mohair roller from Jeff and Reid.
Richard recommended these to me earlier on but I just now tried them over cloth. Trust me these are the way to do cloth layups!! I should have used them on the bottom but I am an old hard head.

Bow picture

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From transom. Note batten were placed after wet out. They are there to hold the beam width.

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Edited: Corrected batch count to 13

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:40 am
by OrangeQuest
Your lay ups are always so nice and neat!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:54 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:40 am Your lay ups are always so nice and neat!
Thanks Big Orange!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:30 pm
by Jeff
Eric, as always, beautiful work!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:03 pm
by cape man
Your attention to those filets really paid off!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:25 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Jeff and Cape Man! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:24 am
by Eric1
I started at 8:30 and 74 degrees. It's a cool rainy morning.
This is 27 ounces in.

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Finished at 10:30. It was 75 degrees and I used a total of 117 ounces of epoxy.

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Aft.

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Another milestone crossed. :D :D :D Next up stringers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:39 am
by OrangeQuest
Looking good! Just think of all the sanding you can do to get ready for the stringers. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:40 pm
by Jeff
Again, nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:41 pm
by Jaysen
Hi-ho
Hi-ho
Off to sand Eric goes!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:49 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:39 am Looking good! Just think of all the sanding you can do to get ready for the stringers. :D
Hey, That's Jaysen's line! :lol:
Jeff wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:40 pm Again, nice work Eric!! Jeff
Thank to you and Reid for the support, And Jacques for the plans and help with my many questions!!
I'm truly lucky to have chosen his plans and not some others. I see on facebook many comments about the lack of support other designers give.
Belay that, it was more than luck, I consider it providence. :D :D :D

Jaysen wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:41 pm Hi-ho
Hi-ho
Off to sand Eric goes!
Why Jaysen, I'm shocked! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:54 pm
by Jaysen
I aim to please. Just don't ask the wife to confirm. She would die laughing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:35 pm
by Eric1
Went to work on my two small stringers today. Back when I laminated them together,
I used an electric stapler to hold them together while the glue set.
Me not knowing any better, I later found out they would have to be removed. :doh:
They were a pain to get out but they are out.

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They are now filled with epoxy and wood flour.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:36 pm
by OrangeQuest
If I didn't know better it seems you invent ways to have to sand more! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:00 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:36 pm If I didn't know better it seems you invent ways to have to sand more! :D
I really don't like to sand fiberglass. Filler and Fairing no problem.
I'm just doing everything in my power to build a quality boat. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:37 pm
by OrangeQuest
It really is good looking boat too. Your workmanship and eye for detail shows through with even the smallest details. I am excited to see what you have done next and it inspires me to do better on my own build. You set a very high standard that a lot of us try to get close to. You are the guy Bud Lite commercials are made from and talk about! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:11 pm
by TomW1
Eric have been watching your trials and tribulations over the last few weeks and am thoroughly impressed. You are a superb craftsman and look at everything at how it will perform to its best. I salute you. Hope your dad is doing well.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:07 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:11 pm Eric have been watching your trials and tribulations over the last few weeks and am thoroughly impressed. You are a superb craftsman and look at everything at how it will perform to its best. I salute you. Hope your dad is doing well.

Tom
Thank you so much Friend. :D
Dad is on the decline. :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:57 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:07 pm Dad is on the decline. :(
Man I sure hate to hear that news. Hang in there buddy, believe me I know how tough it is.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:31 pm
by TomW1
Eric sorry to hear about your dad. Spend as much time as you can with him. You won't regret it.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:43 pm
by piperdown
New to the forum (and boat building). Been following along the past couple weeks on your build.
Very sorry to hear about your dad not doing well. That's rough to go through.

Loving your C21 build. Nice, clean lines, done right!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:03 am
by Jeff
Eric, very sad to hear about your dad!! He is a fighter and I hope he can recover!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:40 am
by Knoxville_Jay
Eric, sorry to hear about your dad. Having a parent in decline is tough.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:10 am
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone for the kind and supportive thoughts.
Boat is on hold for a little while. I have new machine work for trains and a job for the EOD team to do.
Fun, Fun Fun.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:11 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:07 pm
TomW1 wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:11 pm Eric have been watching your trials and tribulations over the last few weeks and am thoroughly impressed. You are a superb craftsman and look at everything at how it will perform to its best. I salute you. Hope your dad is doing well.

Tom
Thank you so much Friend. :D
Dad is on the decline. :(
Hi Eric, very sad to hear that :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:09 pm
by Fuzz
Bad news is no boat updates for a while :cry: Good news is being hooked up like a show dog is good for the wallet. :P
Here is hoping your Dad is doing better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:33 pm
by TomW1
Work, work, work , is good, good, good. :D :D

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:46 pm
by OrangeQuest
That is good news on the work front sorry to hear about your Dad.
Hope he gets better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:13 am
by Eric1
Hello Everyone,

I have not been able to touch the boat. Heck, I don't know when I'll be able to get back to it.
My dad is in the hospital. He had emergency surgery Tuesday night. Back five months ago he fell and got a hernia from it.
Well, the last couple of weeks he could not keep food down. We thought it was the colon cancer. Since he was in Hospice care they said that was probably correct. We saw him Saturday and he was complaining of pain but refused to take anything for it. Tuesday the Hospice nurse called and said they were taking him to the ER. The ER doctor said the hernia was hard and they did a scan. The result was the surgery. At around 2:45 in the morning the surgeon came out and told us his colon had become trapped in the hernia. That had cut off the blood supply to his lower colon. It was dead and had to be removed. This resulted in a colostomy bag, which Dad had not wanted. In fact, that's why he would not allow the cancer doctor to remove the tumor last year. We have been up there every night keeping watch on him. He is doing ok. He is very congested but he is not in great pain.
Beyond all this, I'm busy pursuing new customers for the shop. I'm just stretched thin for time right now. I know many of you have wished me well in the past and I feel you deserved an update on these things.
I'll look forward to better days.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:21 am
by Jaysen
Eric, the boat is a thing. Your dad, your crew, they are men/women who deserve the respect you're showing them. You do what you need and we will pray that you and your family will have the strength to endure with hope and love. That and we will occupy fuzz with other boat porn.

Stay strong.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:19 am
by OrangeQuest
You, your Dad and family will be added to my thoughts and added to the energy force called prayer. The boat can wait.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:49 am
by Dougster
Your in rough waters. We here in the harbor do keep you in mind and will hold your slip open for your return.

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:49 pm
by Fuzz
Eric you are doing the right things. Spend the time with your Dad and keep on taking care of him.
I hope for better times for him and for your work also.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:38 pm
by TomW1
Eric again best wishes for your dad. Spend as much time as you can with him. I miss mine a lot from last year. Take care and God Bless.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:32 pm
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,
Dad is doing well recovering from his surgery. Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers.
I've done a little with the boat build .I cut out the frames so I can line up the stringers.
I have to finish some machine work this coming week before I can do anything else with the boat.
Mostly just wanted to say hello.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:46 pm
by narfi
Hello! :)

Glad to hear your dad is recovering, I pray that trend continues.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:05 pm
by OrangeQuest
Great news on both your Dad and that you have been busy with work and your build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:48 pm
by TomW1
Glad to hear the news on your dad Eric. Also on the work and boat. Take care.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:34 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Eric, I hope your Dad is feeling better. Sounds like things are getting at least a little bit better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:13 pm
by Eric1
These are coming to an end. One step closer to boat work!

304 Stainless Manifold.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:17 pm
by Jaysen
those look like a more extreme application than a ICE. more work with high burn rate spear like devices?

;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:46 pm
by Jeff
Now that is some pretty nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:34 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:17 pm those look like a more extreme application than a ICE. more work with high burn rate spear like devices?

;)
Not these. These are a transportation application.
Jeff wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:46 pm Now that is some pretty nice work!! Jeff
Thank You!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:18 pm
by piperdown
Gorgeous work Eric1!

Had a WWII vet machinist do all the machining work on my engine for my '79 Ford Bronco about 30 years ago. His work was absolutely incredible. You guys that take pride in your work are inspiring.

Glad to hear your dad is recovering too! Lost mine when I was 29.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:42 pm
by glossieblack
Here's hoping that things keep running your way with your dad and boat building. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:18 pm
by Jaysen
That’s not your normal mani... super secret high performance bang bang?

Only thing I can think of is nox/alcohol/race fuel or insane bling that would be looking for that. Give us a hint!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:25 am
by Eric1
Thank You,
Piperdown,Glossieand Jaysen.

Piperdown, I'm sorry about your Dad. It is my belief that we our physical death simply opens the door to a higher plane of existence.
We are more than what we appear!

Glossie, I hope the Noosa bar will open up for you soon. Perhaps your next boat should be a dredge!

Jaysen no big secret on these. It's part of an intercooler for a very large diesel/electric system. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:20 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Wow, that manifold looks really good! You should have some happy customers!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:51 pm
by Eric1
I just returned to the shop and it's to hot to run a machine. My Brother and I grabbed lunch and went to check on Dad.
He looks a lot better and was somewhat talkative. He's still refusing his medicine and only uses the oxygen sometimes.
I wish he was not so stubborn. I suppose he is as good as he will be.

After finishing the manifold work I moved to prototypes for a new customer. One thing that I like about them is they insist on American made products.
These are small carbon steel parts. The profit margin is small but the quantities are high, 10-20k parts per order. I'll find out next week if they are going to place an order. The large part is not my work, it is a sample they provided. I would not put my name on work that looks like that. I'll be running a time study on that piece next week.

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I should be able to start fitting stringers next week. I had to cut out frame G and epoxy the two halves together.

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Once I adjust the fit on the frames I can tab in the stringers. I still plan to do the two closest to the chine first.
I have a new friend that owns a cabinet shop. He's offered to rip the 3/4 x 1's I'll need for the floor supports.
I'd thought about using the foam but I think this will be quicker. I may do the dado "trick" on a larger piece of wood to speed things along.
So after stringers I plan to order my gas tanks and outboard bracket. I maybe taking a trip later this year to pick these up and get a look at a console etc. Pardon my rambling, I'm just thinking ahead. Y'all have a great weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
It is good you are still busy at work but have time to do a few things to your build. Glad your Dad is feeling better, meds or no meds. As far as rambling goes, it is good to plan ahead, takes the guess work out of what's next. It also beats talking to yourself. Sometimes I argue with the voices in my head so I post it on here in hopes you guys will help me win!! :)

Enjoy your weekend.
OQ

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:22 pm
by piperdown
Glad to hear your dad is doing better!

Every little bit makes the boat go forward.

When I saw those machined parts I thought they looked somewhat familiar but I haven't worked on diesels in a long, long time. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:32 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Is that bigger one cast and it look as if the shipped it to you with rocks lol

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:59 pm
by Eric1
AmbitiousRookie wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:32 pm Is that bigger one cast and it look as if the shipped it to you with rocks lol
Believe it or not that customer machined it on a Nakamura. I was shocked.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:26 pm
by Jeff
Good talking to you today!! Glad you Dad is better!! Try and have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:20 am
by Eric1
Well Guys I have been abandoned by my girls today. Seems going shopping with Nana trump working on a boat! :lol:
I'm not one to sit around so I'm doing what I can today. I mixed another 5 oz. batch of epoxy and taped the second side of frame G.

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While that's curing I cut out the weep holes in the other frames. Then I had the idea to seal the holes with some fiberglass tubes left over from rocket airframes. These will get epoxied in place. I don't think it's needed but I figure it couldn't hurt. Water will get into my bilge as I plan to allow a drain for the anchor and rode between my inside stringers. I freaking hate mildew on my rode.

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I'll cut the tubes about an 1/8" proud to allow for a good fillet. Then place them into the frames.

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Time to get in the boat and fit the frames. That's all I'll get done today. More to come....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:10 pm
by Eric1
Frames fit fine so I went back to weep holes.
The fiberglass tube inserts are cut and epoxied in place.

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Close up.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:31 pm
by glossieblack
Very nice precautionary detail. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:53 pm
by piperdown
That looks very good!

Love the attention to detail and how everything has it's place. Beautiful work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:03 pm
by joe2700
Eric1 wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:20 am Water will get into my bilge as I plan to allow a drain for the anchor and rode between my inside stringers. I freaking hate mildew on my rode.
Have you considered making the bottom of the anchor locker above the waterline and draining though the hull? Not sure you'd want all the muck from an anchor making it's way into the bilge if you can help it. A small through hull with a directional cover is pretty common.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:40 am
by Eric1
I'll give that some thought. Thanks Joe

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:29 am
by fallguy1000

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:49 pm
by Fuzz
I think Joe has a good plan for you Eric. You will not be happy with crap running down into your bilge.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:02 pm
by fallguy1000
I should have said and.

The vent atop the locker will dry out the box; the drain gets the puddles.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:11 pm
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:49 pm I think Joe has a good plan for you Eric. You will not be happy with crap running down into your bilge.
But wouldn't all the crap be on the side of the boat? 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:58 pm
by Fuzz
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:11 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:49 pm I think Joe has a good plan for you Eric. You will not be happy with crap running down into your bilge.
But wouldn't all the crap be on the side of the boat? 8O
A little lumpy water will keep it washed off for you :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:43 pm
by TomW1
Eric Joe has the best idea. Some guys put one on each side so that any water from the anchor rode will drain out which ever way the hull slants.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:53 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
I like Joe's idea as well. Anchors can pull up some foul smelling mud, lol.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:08 pm
by Jaysen
Why cover when an open hole won't get clogged as easy? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious. maybe it's motor vs sail?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:42 pm
by OrangeQuest
If I did something like that when it gets on the trailer and someone is admiring the boat at the ramp just as they get to the bow the drain decides to drop the mud with a loud splat! 8O :oops:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:15 pm
by Browndog
That’s what I did on my brother’s boat and it works great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:57 am
by joe2700
Jaysen wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:08 pm Why cover when an open hole won't get clogged as easy? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious. maybe it's motor vs sail?
I think its so salt water won't get pushed in at speed since it's near the waterline at the bow. That way you can rinse the gear off and it will drain out but when dry water mostly won't go back in. Just a guess really, I'm sure you could leave it off. I also think a small piece of stainless looks better than a hole.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:40 pm
by OrangeQuest
I have been thinking about those drain covers. I like the idea of the water and mud going straight out the boat rather than down the length to the bilge. If they are to high above the water line then the hull gets stained and it would look cleaner with beveled screws so they fit flush. Would be easy enough to grab water with the multi use 5 gallon bucket to "flush" the locker after the anchor is lifted.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:32 am
by Eric1
I've got a lot to do with shop today but I wanted to put the outboard stringers in.
I'll level and hopefully tab them tomorrow. It's exciting to see the next step happening! 8) :D
It looks like I'll have a larger gap towards the front of these stringers. I don't know why.
I'll see what I have after I level these but I think I'm going to have to fill some of the gap with foam or wood.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:53 am
by cvincent
Your glass work is very clean. A little thickened epoxy will take care of any gaps you have after making adjustments to the stringers and frames.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:49 am
by Knoxville_Jay
Looking really good, man. I'll bet you're pretty excited to be working on the inside now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:52 am
by Jeff
Eric, nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:54 am
by Eric1
cvincent wrote: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:53 am Your glass work is very clean. A little thickened epoxy will take care of any gaps you have after making adjustments to the stringers and frames.
Thank You.
Knoxville_Jay wrote: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:49 am Looking really good, man. I'll bet you're pretty excited to be working on the inside now.
Thank you, I am looking forward to it.
Jeff wrote: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:52 am Eric, nice work!! Jeff
Thanks!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:08 am
by narfi
Looking good!
Eric1 wrote: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:32 am
It looks like I'll have a larger gap towards the front of these stringers. I don't know why.
I saw this same phenomena on mine and on a few builds here. I think it is the nature of the beast. When originally stitching together the front is bent tighter around the bow and doesnt sit down as tight against the stringers as they do back towards the transom where it is flatter and heavier.

Just my theory anyways. I dont think it hurts anything, just interesting.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:30 pm
by Eric1
Man, This was fun. I have these stringers tabbed in place.
I used skewers for barbeque to raise them off the hull. Worked like a charm.
Check level both ways and started gluing them in place.
I found after I put the first bag of glue down it was running from the angle of the hull.
I used a squeegee to pack it under the stringer and put down duct tape to hold it in.
I'll find out Monday how well this worked. It will either be a spectacular solution or a spectacular mess! :lol:

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I can tell you this, Bending over to do this on an angled hull makes my calf muscles tight as a mandolin string! 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:12 pm
by piperdown
Looking great Eric!

Bamboo skewers...I wouldn't have thought of that and I bet it's the perfect height for tabbing in! Nice :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:34 pm
by Fuzz
One of best feeling there is in boat building is when you can put some deck down and have a level place to stand and work :wink:
Stringer install is just as I have come to expect from you "Perfect" :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:43 pm
by Jeff
Eric, I think the damn’s will work well for you!! Big accomplishment today especially working alone!! Have a good weekend, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:25 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:30 pm I can tell you this, Bending over to do this on an angled hull makes my calf muscles tight as a mandolin string! 8O
Nothing but a thang when executing such a beautiful piece of work. Well done Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:44 am
by Eric1
Thank you everyone.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:25 am
by Eric1
I'm going to the shop to get some more done on the boat. The dams worked ok but not to mu satisfaction.
Rick Laport reminded me to add silica to my mix to help. I did a test batch yesterday and it was perfect.
I also cut some strips from waste ply to make dams with release film if needed. Praying fall weather gets here soon.
It was 95 in the shop by 2:00 yesterday. I can't do this work in that kinda of heat. Heck the little test batch was warm in the bag just after mixing with slow hardener!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:38 am
by OrangeQuest
It is all looking good Eric! I know the feeling trying to do epoxy work in this heat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:14 am
by Jeff
Eric, yes, same heat down here!! Again, probably 115 degrees at 2:00 PM in the main warehouse yesterday!! Stay hydrated!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:15 am
by Jeff
Eric, yes, same heat down here!! Again, probably 115 degrees at 2:00 PM in the main warehouse yesterday!! Stay hydrated!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:22 am
by Jaysen
While I’ll agree that God seems to be overdoing it on the heat, I much prefer this to 6mo of living in the rectal sphincter of a glacier... I mean NY. Down here it’s an excuse to sit on the porch with a glass of tea and the Mrs and chat about life. Up there you spend all your time trying to unstick the neighbor’s idiot child’s tongue from the door handle. And it’s not even the neighbor’s door! What the heck was he doing licking my door knob? Repeatedly.

I’ll take the heat, gators and skeeters thank you.

Then again I don’t do real work for a living.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:12 pm
by Eric1
I'm finished for today. I managed to get one stringer done and got about half of the other on done.
The dam worked well. I was able to fill the large gap that was at the bow.

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The chine side is looking good too. Hopefully after this step I can pull fillets and put the tape in place.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:27 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looking good!!! Enjoy your weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:57 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:27 pm Looking good!!! Enjoy your weekend!
Thanks buddy, You too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:58 pm
by Fuzz
The stringers are looking very good. As soon as it cools down I am sure you will get them glassed in well.
Speaking of temp I would take 20f of that extra heat off your hands but no more :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:17 pm
by TomW1
Looking good Eric. The damn was a great idea.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:04 pm
by Jeff
Eric, really well done!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:03 am
by Eric1
Thank You Fuzz, Tom and Jeff.
I came in and made short work of the second stringer.
Now I have to go with my Brother to check on Dad's house etc.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:05 am
by topwater
Next is the 800 ' feet of tape 8O Boat is looking real good, build on 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:06 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:05 am Next is the 800 ' feet of tape 8O Boat is looking real good, build on 8)
Lord I know! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:10 am
by Capt UB
Looking great. I have to say I miss this stage, fairing just killes me!

Bob

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:18 am
by topwater
I know how you feel . I did mine by wetting out on a wet out table then rolled them on a cardboard tube and unrolled
on the stringer. I used 1 oz of epoxy for every foot of 12 oz tape , you can use a little less as you go because of what
you squeeze out with the spreader and soak it up with the next run. It sounds complicated but once you do it it
is really fast .
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This is the set up i used to wet out the tape.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:49 am
by Eric1
I like that idea. I plan to give it a go. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:25 pm
by OrangeQuest
Topwater there is what looks a lot like a can of veggies, what was that for? In the green can?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:29 pm
by Fuzz
Popeyes favourite snack of course :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:59 am
by topwater
The big veggie can is what i use to load filler into a quart size freezer bag for fillets. Push a corner down into the
can and fold the excess over the top . Makes it real easy to load , pull out of can , twist the bag to get air out ,
then seal it and cut tip off corner and away you go.
Eric the wet out tray is 8 ' long just fold the glass back and froth over its self pour out the epoxy , spread with a spreader
and use a cut down 2" chip brush to work into glass . When its translucent run the spreader down the length of the glass and
and squeeze out the extra epoxy . Be prepared to get your hands covered in epoxy " lot of rags " . Not the neatest
way but real fast .

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:48 pm
by Eric1
Happy Labor Day Y'all! I spent this morning sanding the fill under the stringers.
I had voids to fill behind my dams too. You can see the wet fill towards the top of the first picture.
While that was setting I decided to start pulling fillets on the first stringer.
I'm pretty happy with this first one. :D

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That's it today. I'm headed to grocery store for a few things. I want to cook a nice dinner for my kids tonight.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:21 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff Eric!! Have a good dinner with your girls!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:42 pm
by narfi
Looking good!
But you need to save perfection for where people will see it!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:33 pm
by flyfishingmonk
narfi wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:42 pm Looking good!
But you need to save perfection for where people will see it!
That's quotable right there.

The boat is looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:17 am
by Eric1
Started with a bit of sanding to dress up the last fillet.
Then I placed the tape. Each side used 15' 1" of biax. I decided against wetting out the tape first.
It went on easy with a chip brush. I really like putting my glass in place first then applying the epoxy.
So far it's worked for me.

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Both outboard sides of these two stringers have been wet out.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:25 am
by flyfishingmonk
Looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:33 am
by Eric1
flyfishingmonk wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:25 am Looking good!
Thank you Friend. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:06 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:37 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric now that I know how to do it and if can keep it in place I also like to lay glass first and then wet it. But yours looks so much better than anything I have done. Very good work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:53 pm
by Fuzz
Glass work looks good like always there buddy :wink: I bet your knees are going to be happy when this part is done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:17 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:53 pm Glass work looks good like always there buddy :wink: I bet your knees are going to be happy when this part is done.
Thanks Everyone. Yea,Buddy you know it. That's why I only got two strips of tape down.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:57 pm
by Eric1
I started out today solving a problem posed when I laid up tape on the stringers.
I was having an issue holding the cup of epoxy while I brushed it on the tape. Towards the bow
I could not sit the cup down as it wanted to slide towards the keel.
I came up with a simple solution.

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It worked like a charm!

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The layup went fast this morning and I was able to get the second layer on the chine side as well as the first layer on the keel side!
I'm thrilled I got that much done. I've been a little bummed over the slow progress I've made of late.
This honestly made my day. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:29 pm
by danieloldhouse
Eric you're a source of ideas, this 3d will be a real textbook of boatbuilding :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:00 pm
by Jeff
Eric, nice idea!! Great progress today!! Were you working alone today?? Have a good weekend, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:13 pm
by Eric1
danieloldhouse wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:29 pm Eric you're a source of ideas, this 3d will be a real textbook of boatbuilding :D
Thank you Daniel. I just hope to share things I've learned along the way. :)
Jeff wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:00 pm Eric, nice idea!! Great progress today!! Were you working alone today?? Have a good weekend, Jeff
Thank's Jeff, Yea, By myself as usual.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:16 pm
by OrangeQuest
That is a great idea!! Just wish you would of came up with it when I was doing my stringers, and frames!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:20 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:16 pm That is a great idea!! Just wish you would of came up with it when I was doing my stringers, and frames!! :D
Thanks and sorry. It just hit me this morning. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:02 pm
by OrangeQuest
That's ok, but I am going to copy the idea!! :D I am always working alone and that would make it easy and I'm doing a lot of small batches.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:01 pm
by piperdown
Beautiful work Eric!

Glad you were able to get working on the boat and it made your day. Nothing like a bit of satisfaction to put a smile on the ol face :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:45 am
by Eric1
I took advantage of the cool morning to finish the glass work on the first two stringers.
I have to run some parts in the shop so boat building goes back to back burner for a little while.
I plan to place the other two stringers one at a time. That will give me a little more room to move around.
I'm dreading the last one. That is going to be a PITA.


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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:47 am
by Jeff
Eric, as always, very nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:22 pm
by piperdown
Very, very nice Eric :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:28 pm
by Jaysen
So, I’m theroy, the tops of the stringers are a level surface, right? When you’re at the last one, why not lay some ply down and use a mechanics rolling bench to lay on? Then you can lay face down and just glide down the hull a bit.

Hope I’m explaywhat I’m thinking clearly.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:29 pm
by TomW1
Well done Eric. Jayson the top of the new stringers will be the same at the installed stringers so he can't glide on them.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 pm
by Jaysen
I was thinking that he’d only use it for the last stringer. The idea being that instead of folding himself in and trying to avoid epoxy he’d be able to work on it from above.

Eric is much smarter than me so he’ll proba work up some flying trapeze thing that will allow him to hover and move with a thumb. I’m surprised he hasn’t built some automatic fillet/tape application device that is self cleaning and pulls resin and hardener direct from the bottle.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:28 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. :)
Jaysen wrote: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 pm I was thinking that he’d only use it for the last stringer. The idea being that instead of folding himself in and trying to avoid epoxy he’d be able to work on it from above.

Eric is much smarter than me so he’ll proba work up some flying trapeze thing that will allow him to hover and move with a thumb. I’m surprised he hasn’t built some automatic fillet/tape application device that is self cleaning and pulls resin and hardener direct from the bottle.
I have thought about a raise platform for the last stringer, I may try it.
I also have a concept design for a device to wet out the tape using a roller bath and squeegee but I can't justify it for the small amount of tape I'm doing. It would be trick on larger builds though. :wink: You can forget self cleaning though!! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:38 pm
by TomW1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 pm I was thinking that he’d only use it for the last stringer. The idea being that instead of folding himself in and trying to avoid epoxy he’d be able to work on it from above.

Eric is much smarter than me so he’ll proba work up some flying trapeze thing that will allow him to hover and move with a thumb. I’m surprised he hasn’t built some automatic fillet/tape application device that is self cleaning and pulls resin and hardener direct from the bottle.
Yep he is a smart man having met him. You be safe with this hurricane approaching. Eric you take care also though looks like this one will be north of you.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:51 pm
by Fuzz
Eric my man if you want to become really rich why not make something that will make sanding/fairing real easy. And since it is my idea I will take the first one............at a good old boy discount of course :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:52 pm
by Jaysen
I’ve got an out should we determine out is needed. One of the kids is living at the house in Beaufort and she’s got her out planned. At this point we need to wait for the numbers from buoys and satellites and crazy pilots to see where this thing is headed. If it gives us the slightest hint that it’s waiting a dinner invite we are gone.

Come to think of it, Greer isn’t too far from our friends up in spartansburg. Hmmmm

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:53 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:51 pm Eric my man if you want to become really rich why not make something that will make sanding/fairing real easy. And since it is my idea I will take the first one............at a good old boy discount of course :lol:
Hey now... don’t go giving him ideas until AFTER he’s mirror polished the interior to match the exterior.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:58 pm
by Fuzz
Not worried about him. Just trying to make my life easy......selfish guy that I am :wink:

And Jaysen don't get blown away or I will not have anyone to pick on :cry:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:11 pm
by Jaysen
I’m dug into my southern life like a tick on a coondog. Unlike a tick, if I see something headed my way that’ll end me, I’ll sell tickets and yell “hold my beer and watch this!”

Seriously though. NOAA just dropped new outlook. We may not even see rain at this point. Granted there’s lots of time for Flo to get all uppity and change course but ... I bet Lil Bit would be a handful with just the minimal winds expected.

I need more beer!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:11 pm
by Jaysen
Sorry Eric. Just having some fun.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:17 am
by OrangeQuest
You could lay a sheet of plywood across the 3 completed stringers and then use like a padded stool on wheels to support your weight and free your hands up. If you put boards on the edge to keep from rolling off you can just use the two center stringers for support and tape the outside stringers with it to support you. Easy way to keep the weight off your knees and still free up both hands. All it would need is a cup holder! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:40 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:17 am You could lay a sheet of plywood across the 3 completed stringers and then use like a padded stool on wheels to support your weight and free your hands up. If you put boards on the edge to keep from rolling off you can just use the two center stringers for support and tape the outside stringers with it to support you. Easy way to keep the weight off your knees and still free up both hands. All it would need is a cup holder! :D
That's pretty much my thoughts too. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:37 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Nah, I like the trapeze idea better :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:29 am
by Eric1
I just placed the inside stringers. They are ready to tab in.
I'm going to put them both in. It will be tight quarters but I think I can work well enough to get the job done.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:58 am
by Jaysen
That's going to be fun. I'm sure you will make it look like it was a simple job anyone can do over a coffee break. At least that's how you've made every other significant task appear. "Look you, perfect glassing should only take a coffee break." ;)

Let's step back from the exact build. How could one do this wet on wet/green to the hull interior glass? All I can think of is infusion and at that point it would be a mold more than composite. I just can't see a way to do it. This is just a thought exercise.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:01 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:47 am
by dalnilo
complements is perfect🛥

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:16 am
by piperdown
Absolutely love watching your build come together Eric, it's a work of art!

For something like this (a big, well crafted boat) you should save all your pictures plus narrative and have a coffee table book printed.
Something you can pass down in your family!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:26 am
by narfi
Looks good!
Your boat is big, but the mats you use make it seem HUUUUGGGE...... we used to have identical looking mats for Landon but they were 18"x18".... it's not really 36" between center stringers is it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:40 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:26 am Looks good!
Your boat is big, but the mats you use make it seem HUUUUGGGE...... we used to have identical looking mats for Landon but they were 18"x18".... it's not really 36" between center stringers is it?
First Thank you everyone for the kind comments. Those really make me feel good about doing this.
Narfi theses mats are 12" squares. I'm at 22 1/2" between the inside stringers.

I didn't start tabbing until after lunch. I just finished that.

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That's all for today. I'm tired. Tomorrow is pending on weather. I still think it's gonna just a Box of Rain.
https://youtu.be/p1x_4N0blYU

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:41 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Hard to believe you got that far this afternoon working alone!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:28 am
by fallguy1000
Is the sole high enough to scupper?

Seems low.

I don't much care for scuppers unless they are absolutely needed anyhow.

Just asking.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:34 am
by Eric1
It's supposed to be. I'm not certain I'm going to use them yet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:05 pm
by danieloldhouse
Can you please explain me the meaning of scuppers? I tried to find it on the vocabulary but in vain

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:15 pm
by Jaysen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scupper

Think “hole to let the water out before it gets to the bilge”. Need to be above the water line. On smaller boats tends to have a device to prevent water entering.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:20 pm
by TomW1
I wouldn't have a boat without scuppers and the bigger the boat the bigger the scupper. Say you take a 4' wave over the bow where is the water supposed to go, you have another wave set up to follow the one you just took. :help: Here are some scuppers that others have used: https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/inet/st ... D=scuppers

Some have used a side scupper in front of the rear bulkhead but I don't feel this is enough as it is at most 1-1.5 inches so that is can be plugged with a rubber stopper.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:19 pm
by Fuzz
You can get up to 4 inch rubber scupper plugs if you want them.
Personally I am all in favour of oversize scuppers, if there is such a thing. As Tom says if you take a greenie over the top you really want it to clear before the next one ruins your day :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:36 pm
by danieloldhouse
Thanks guys, all clear now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:31 am
by topwater
I like big scuppers.
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They clear the deck fast :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:40 pm
by TomW1
Very nice work topwater. Eric I would highly recommend that type of scupper for you especially as deck wise you will have more than topwater with his NV23 cabin. Hope you are safe and sound from the storm.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:10 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the input Guys. My concern is interference with the outboard bracket.
I have not investigated that issue as of yet. I could run them out the sides but that assures wet feet.

I had a larger gap under these two stringers. I decided to fill some of that with wood.
I ripped a couple of pieces of 1/4" ply to 3/4" wide to match the stringers width. Then glued them to the
bottom of the stringers with peanut butter. You can see the strip in the blue outline.
Time consuming as crap.

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Last for today was filling about half of the port stringer. Working my fat butt in between these last
two is a "Queen Elizabeth" job.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:19 pm
by Jeff
As always, very nice work Eric!! And that was a tough job!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:20 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:19 pm As always, very nice work Eric!! And that was a tough job!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:35 pm
by Jaysen
Just think about the sanding! That should make you smile.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:45 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:35 pm Just think about the sanding! That should make you smile.
Bite me! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:30 pm
by Eric1
I worked quickly this morning to beat the heat. I have both inboard stringers are filled as of noon.
Tomorrow I'll sand the few high spots and pull fillets.

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My Brother and I just came back from checking on Dad. He was the worst I've seen him.
He could barely open his eyes and was not responding well. Please pray for him to have peace.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:38 pm
by OrangeQuest
My thoughts are with your Dad and his family to have peace.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:42 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:45 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:35 pm Just think about the sanding! That should make you smile.
Bite me! :lol:
:lol: :lol: sic him

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:43 pm
by Fuzz
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:38 pm My thoughts are with your Dad and his family to have peace.
Like wise. tough times for all of you, I am wishing the best for all of you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:42 pm
by Jeff
Eric, so sorry for you and your family!! You will certainly be in our thoughts!! Give us an update tomorrow if possible, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:49 pm
by danieloldhouse
I'll do it for sure Eric, I admire your interior strength, may our Lord have mercy on your dad!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:13 pm
by Jeff
Eric, very sorry to hear the bad news!! Please keep us updated as to his health and we will be thinking of you and your family!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:55 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Eric,

I'm sorry to hear that your dad isn't doing well. You're in a tough spot right now, no doubt.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:41 am
by Eric1
No pictures today, I'm pulling fillets on the inboard stringers.
It's fairly cool so I hope to get them done today. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:58 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:41 am It's fairly cool so I hope to get them done today. :)
I am telling you, we need to figure out some sort of heat equalization mechanism between our two work spaces.
We could make millions! Billions!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:26 pm
by Fuzz
narfi wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:58 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:41 am It's fairly cool so I hope to get them done today. :)
I am telling you, we need to figure out some sort of heat equalization mechanism between our two work spaces.
We could make millions! Billions!
I sure hope you two can get this worked out. Lots of benefit for all of us. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:37 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:26 pm
narfi wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:58 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:41 am It's fairly cool so I hope to get them done today. :)
I am telling you, we need to figure out some sort of heat equalization mechanism between our two work spaces.
We could make millions! Billions!
I sure hope you two can get this worked out. Lots of benefit for all of us. :lol:
Well... one could say "follow the terns" is an equalization scheme. I suggest you get Landon on the track to become an experimental physicist and have him develop a low power wormhole. Heat, plywood, epoxy, glass... all would transfer easily from point A to B.

That said, you keep that cold air up there. I like my sweaty days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:01 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:30 pm My Brother and I just came back from checking on Dad. He was the worst I've seen him.
He could barely open his eyes and was not responding well. Please pray for him to have peace.
Eric I missed this and just want to say I am praying for you and your family. After going through losing my mom and dad a year + ago it is hard to hear of a freind doing the same. It will be tough. We have been saying our prayers for your Dad since you told me about what was going on.

God bless to you and your family as they watch over your Dad. And a special prayer for your Dad at this time in his life.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:13 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:01 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:30 pm My Brother and I just came back from checking on Dad. He was the worst I've seen him.
He could barely open his eyes and was not responding well. Please pray for him to have peace.
Eric I missed this and just want to say I am praying for you and your family. After going through losing my mom and dad a year + ago it is hard to hear of a freind doing the same. It will be tough. We have been saying our prayers for your Dad since you told me about what was going on.

God bless to you and your family as they watch over your Dad. And a special prayer for your Dad at this time in his life.

Tom
Thank you so much Tom.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:25 pm
by Eric1
I'm sorry about the temperature equalization issue. I did try to correct this with a shift in the timeline, but,
I was unable to generate enough neutrino plasma with my cold fusion generator to open a stable field.
Perhaps in the future when we have access to better shielding technology.

I was only able to pull three fillets. I get in the way trying to pull the forth while the third is setting on the inboard side.

Goofy fillet pics.
It was not easy to stand the boat up on it's transom either! :lol:
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:44 pm
by Jeff
Great work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:20 pm
by Fuzz
Pulling fillets does not seem like all that big of a job. Then you see the ladder in the hull and it reminds you of just big that thing is. Like always your work looks superb :wink:
Hoping for the best for you and your family. I know all too well about the tough times for you and your Dad.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:55 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:20 pm Pulling fillets does not seem like all that big of a job. Then you see the ladder in the hull and it reminds you of just big that thing is. Like always your work looks superb :wink:
Hoping for the best for you and your family. I know all too well about the tough times for you and your Dad.
Thank you friend, I'm still praying for y'all too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:17 am
by Eric1
Well shoot, I dodged a bullet. Friday morning I pulled the last fillet around 8:30.
I was using Eze Fillet. Normally that stuff is firm in a couple of hours. I checked the leftover in the bag at noon
and it was still soft. I decided to wait and check it Saturday after the church car wash. Thankfully the bag had hardened!!
So this morning I sanded in prep for tape work but I found a few places I felt like would cause air pockets.
I decided to fill those and lay glass later. I hate having to grind and fill when I could have prevented it.
This was so much fun this morning. My dog about put me out of commission last night. The little dork decided to whiz in the bathroom.
I found it by stepping in it only to have my right leg shoot out from under me. I landed all 200+ lbs of me on my left knee.
So this morning it's giving me a fit. This is the last pet that will ever live in my home.

Here is where I filled.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:11 pm
by OrangeQuest
You could have taped over the wet filler but it would be better to let your knee heal some before all the bending.

"This is the last pet that will ever live in my home." If you are married, you say that like you have a say in it! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:07 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:11 pm You could have taped over the wet filler but it would be better to let your knee heal some before all the bending.

"This is the last pet that will ever live in my home." If you are married, you say that like you have a say in it! :lol:
I know but I could have but the knee said No! I was married, Wife has gone on before me.
I know what you mean though. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:13 pm
by OrangeQuest
Sorry for your Lose.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:15 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:13 pm Sorry for your Lose.
Thank You OQ. It's all part of the Master's plan.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm
by Fuzz
Yep pets can be a joy but they can be pure hell also. SWMBO's dog has figured out the girl dog next door is in heat :help: Trying to keep the little shit home has become a real pain.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:32 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm Yep pets can be a joy but they can be pure hell also. SWMBO's dog has figured out the girl dog next door is in heat :help: Trying to keep the little shit home has become a real pain.
Easy fix, Move the choke collar to the other end! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:34 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:32 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm Yep pets can be a joy but they can be pure hell also. SWMBO's dog has figured out the girl dog next door is in heat :help: Trying to keep the little shit home has become a real pain.
Easy fix, Move the choke collar to the other end! :lol:
Scissors and you don't care what the dog does with other dogs. Which makes me wonder why the Mrs keeps chasing me around with scissors.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:46 pm
by Eric1
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:01 pm
by danieloldhouse
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:34 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:32 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:18 pm Yep pets can be a joy but they can be pure hell also. SWMBO's dog has figured out the girl dog next door is in heat :help: Trying to keep the little shit home has become a real pain.
Easy fix, Move the choke collar to the other end! :lol:
Scissors and you don't care what the dog does with other dogs. Which makes me wonder why the Mrs keeps chasing me around with scissors.
8O You've got to sleep with an eye open :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:30 pm
by Jaysen
the part that confuses me, is she caught up with me after the second one was born!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:54 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Ouch! Darn dog.

The fillets look good!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:06 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:07 pm Wife has gone on before me.
Eric, you are an inspiration and a good example of a a great man in today's world.

I didn't realize you had lost your wife, this makes your approach and attitude towards life even more impressive to me.

Raising 2 daughters is something that would terrify me, but doing it solo o.0 ... my hats off to you!
I have read of your recent struggles with your father, and our prayers are with you and him.

Amidst all of this though, you always present a positive and cheerful attitude here and are building a boat with a level of perfectionism most of us can only dream of.
I am sure you have internal struggles, but the way you present yourself and your family is an inspiration.
You are certainly a father your daughters can be proud of!
You are someone I look up to, and wish to emulate.

Personal messages in a public place are awkward for me, I often 'almost' post something here but always hold back when you share something personal.
It makes you a real person, it makes you someone we know and can be proud of even having never met you.

Thank you for being you!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:12 pm
by jacquesmm
We need a "LIKE" button for posts like the one just above. I agree 100%.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:39 pm
by Jeff
I agree as well Jacques!! Well stated Narfi!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:11 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very well said Narfi and I agree with your sediment.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:02 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:06 pm
Eric1 wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:07 pm Wife has gone on before me.
Eric, you are an inspiration and a good example of a a great man in today's world.

I didn't realize you had lost your wife, this makes your approach and attitude towards life even more impressive to me.

Raising 2 daughters is something that would terrify me, but doing it solo o.0 ... my hats off to you!
I have read of your recent struggles with your father, and our prayers are with you and him.

Amidst all of this though, you always present a positive and cheerful attitude here and are building a boat with a level of perfectionism most of us can only dream of.
I am sure you have internal struggles, but the way you present yourself and your family is an inspiration.
You are certainly a father your daughters can be proud of!
You are someone I look up to, and wish to emulate.

Personal messages in a public place are awkward for me, I often 'almost' post something here but always hold back when you share something personal.
It makes you a real person, it makes you someone we know and can be proud of even having never met you.

Thank you for being you!
Wow Narfi, I'm deeply touched my friend. Thank you so much for this kindness.
I thank all you guys, Jacques Jeff , OQ. I'm no different than any of you. I may never meet everyone here but I consider us Friends.
That makes me a Very Wealthy man.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:38 pm
by BB Sig
Eric,

You are a true example of Him. Thanks for being the man you are!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:45 pm
by Fuzz
jacquesmm wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:12 pm We need a "LIKE" button for posts like the one just above. I agree 100%.
I would like to second this and the past few posts :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:37 am
by TomW1
Narfi that was well said.

Eric what has been said is a small portion of what you accomplish in raising your two girls and helping take care of your dad. Taking them fishing with you and teaching about the outdoors. Your gifts to your family are amazing. I feel very blessed to have met you and your brother and nephew.

God bless you and your family and with a special place for your father.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:36 am
by Eric1
I just want to Thank all you again for the Very Kind comments about me.
It sent me into a time of self reflection. You see, I'm a far cry from who I was as a young man.
You would not have liked that version of me. I know this because I didn't like him. I've tried over time to become
a better person. Though I've wondered if anyone could tell at times.
You have all filled me with positive thoughts and energy, and quite frankly, I'm humbled.

With that I went to work and the grind in the knee seemed to not bother me. :)
First thing I got my tape in place and smoothed it out. The little gap on the right is where I had to overlap between rolls.

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This show the offset I placed pretty well.
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I mixed three 9 oz. batches and a single batch of 6 oz. to wet these out. I had about and ounce or so left over.

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This took most of the morning. I had to take breaks between mixes to relax my knees but it went well.

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That's all for now, stay tuned....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:32 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:38 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looking very good! So you bout ready for the frames?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:50 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:38 pm Looking very good! So you bout ready for the frames?
You know it. Six more lengths of tape to layup first though. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:40 pm
by thb
Eric1,

When do you find time to do this build as raising a family by oneself seems like a full time job. You are doing great as the person you have turned into. Lots of positive help here for fellow builders is just another example.

Your boat is so so big I can not image doing one this large. Your work is outstanding. Keep it up.

Regards
Tom ion Steinhatchee

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:51 pm
by piperdown
I'm just echoing the people before me but you have shown true Grace in how you are approaching life, your family and the boat. Bet you're a good man to work for too!

Not sure if this will help but....I blew my knee out skiing when I was 27. Over time I don't have much cartilage left in my right knee. I keep about 4 big walmart bags of frozen peas in the freezer. They are not for eating, they are for icing my knee when it starts aching. The peas make it a cheap flexible bag that fits itself to the contours of the knee and will cover about 2/3 of my knee. Really helps a lot especially after a long day.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:51 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I am sure many of us are not the people we were as young men. And in looking back we did lots of stuff we are not proud of. Personally I am just happy I avoided any extended time with iron bars :help:
You are getting closer to getting off that bottom. When you get to the point you have some level place to walk things will be much better.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:03 pm
by Jaysen
Eric, I don't know how you do it. Past life be damned, you've made good on the life you have been given. God looks at us and asks "what past are you talking about? I only see what you've built since we had that chat." What more can be said other than "build on!"

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:00 pm
by Eric1
Thank you, Tom, Eric, Fuzz and Jaysen.

Eric, I also keep peas in the freezer for the same purpose.

Well guys this morning I was moving slow (read molasses in the winter).
Never the less, I got the second layer on the chine side of these two stringers.
Back at the transom I had some epoxy pool but I'm not concerned this is the final layer.

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Other stringer, sorry it's in a shadow.

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Now the fun part, Fitting me, tape and wet epoxy in a 22.5" space! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:06 pm
by piperdown
Nice work there Eric!

Just think of the 22.5 inch space as having to travel by airplane and being stuck in the middle seat in economy class :D
Hands and knees in, with shallow breaths... :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:14 pm
by Jeff
Again, nice work Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:15 pm
by Fuzz
Look at the bright side, you will have some new water proof clothing :lol: :lol:
Like always the glass work is superb :!:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:21 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:15 pm Look at the bright side, you will have some new water proof clothing :lol: :lol:
Thank You Fuzz. Yea, You know what's about to happen. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:55 am
by Eric1
Finished putting first layer of tape on the keel side of the inboard stringer.
It went fine other than being cramped for space. I connected my little stereo to my phone and
enjoyed some Pink Floyd this morning. So much better than listening to the radio! :D 8)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:10 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:18 am
by piperdown
Nice and smooth but at this point I wouldn't expect any less :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:59 pm
by Fuzz
Listening to that dope smoking music as my dear departed dad would say :lol:

Take heart you are getting closer to getting off those knees :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:04 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Yes Pink Floyd tunes often fills our garage as well.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:22 pm
by OrangeQuest
looking good with some good tunes!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:37 pm
by Jeff
Just some good old music!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:28 pm
by fallguy1000
You were supposed to use gravity boots and hang from the ceiling taping all that.

Seriously though, can't you plywood the tops and lean over?

Lots of tricky positions. I need a smallerish guy to laminate my hull forward locker area.

Asked my buddy and he said there is a 'small' man premium. What does that mean?

Looks great.

I taped 210 feet of tapes one day; two of us though in an 8 hour perios before the hip started crunchin.

We wet them out on a plastic tablecloth and roll them onto a tube and carry them to the boat. Can be a drippy mess. Your work looks too clean!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:38 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Looking really good, man!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:44 pm
by Eric1
Thanks guys. Fall guy, I could but this isn't the worst thing i've done. It's just slow work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:02 pm
by piperdown
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:28 pm You were supposed to use gravity boots and hang from the ceiling taping all that.

Seriously though, can't you plywood the tops and lean over?

Lots of tricky positions. I need a smallerish guy to laminate my hull forward locker area.

Asked my buddy and he said there is a 'small' man premium. What does that mean?

Looks great.

I taped 210 feet of tapes one day; two of us though in an 8 hour perios before the hip started crunchin.

We wet them out on a plastic tablecloth and roll them onto a tube and carry them to the boat. Can be a drippy mess. Your work looks too clean!
Small guy premium = 1 1/2 times normal pay because no on else can do it. Sorta serious too, as HVAC companies do sometimes pay extra for people, men and women, who can fit into small spaces to get a job done.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:58 am
by pee wee
After all that taping, are you feeling comfortably numb? :D

Once it's done, it's done. Nice.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:22 am
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:58 am After all that taping, are you feeling comfortably numb? :D

Once it's done, it's done. Nice.
Thanks Hank! Yea I did yesterday. Today has been more like this:

https://youtu.be/WRhJt3PLdUE

Second layer of tape is on the stringer.

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That went pretty smooth so I did a bit more prep work on the frames.
That's all folks. Have a great weekend! :D :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:06 am
by Eric1
I taped the first layer on the last stringer.

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Typical wet out. Around 14-15 ounce of epoxy.

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I'll have just enough Silvertip epoxy to finish the next layer of tape then I'm switching over to Marine Epoxy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:08 am
by Jeff
Nice clean work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:00 pm
by Jaysen
Why the switch? Or better, why did you decide to start with silver tip?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:54 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:00 pm Why the switch? Or better, why did you decide to start with silver tip?
Because it's the best. I have alot of marine epoxy so I'm switching.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I’ve been a little lame following your build.
You are killing it... :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:35 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:06 pm I’ve been a little lame following your build.
You are killing it... :D
Thank You Friend! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:00 am
by pee wee
Eric1 wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:22 am
pee wee wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:58 am After all that taping, are you feeling comfortably numb? :D
Thanks Hank! Yea I did yesterday. Today has been more like this:

https://youtu.be/WRhJt3PLdUE

Maybe you meant the hook and loop bring you back? :P

Great song, haven't heard that in years.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:44 am
by Eric1
Hooray! The stringers are glassed in!!! :D

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Next up Frames. :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:13 am
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:44 am Hooray! The stringers are glassed in!!! :D
Nice!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:15 pm
by piperdown
Huge milestone Eric, congrats!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:15 pm
by OrangeQuest
Big part finished and the stringers look great as they match the rest of your build.

The notches closest to the transom, is that a frame that goes all the way up to the shear and then most the way to the other side!? Your flexibility will be tested! :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:43 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:15 pm Big part finished and the stringers look great as they match the rest of your build.

The notches closest to the transom, is that a frame that goes all the way up to the shear and then most the way to the other side!? Your flexibility will be tested! :wink:
Yes, That's right. I am still trying to figure out how I want the boat to be finished. I'm thinking of a rear bench seat there.
It's a little awkward for fishability but that's not the sole purpose of this boat. Truth is I have a lot to decide on very soon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:44 pm
by Fuzz
Plan, plan we don't need no stinking plan..................

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:43 am
by Eric1
So this is my plan for the transom. To do this it raises a couple of questions.
1. Is it alright to relocate the transom supports over the top of the inboard stringers?
I plan to cut the transom supports to match the bench shape.
2. Would that allow enough width (22.5") for the "Thrust box"


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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:08 am
by jacquesmm
Yes IF:
- you keep the floor frame
- the bench bulkhead is built to the same specs than the MW bulkhead you remove and has a deck.
- the width of the motorwell must stay the same or you will not be able to turn and lift the outboard, the outboard cables and steering bars will not fit if you reduce the size.
- the longitudinal sides of the MW must be present.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:42 am
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:08 am Yes IF:
- you keep the floor frame Yes, That is my plan.
- the bench bulkhead is built to the same specs than the MW bulkhead you remove and has a deck. Bench bulkhead is to be made from original motor well bulkhead.
- the width of the motorwell must stay the same or you will not be able to turn and lift the outboard, the outboard cables and steering bars will not fit if you reduce the size.Does this hold true considering the Armstrong bracket I intend to use?
- the longitudinal sides of the MW must be present. No proposed change there.
Crappy sketch for reference:

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Thank You for the Help!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:20 pm
by jacquesmm
That's fine, I forgot that you planned for a bracket. Everything OK then.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:54 am
by Eric1
After yesterdays wake up of rain and wind this morning was completely different.
Nice and clear, but a little cool 54 at 7 this morning. Came to the shop and fitted my frames for the last time.
They had to be sanded after glassing the stringers. I did this after each set of stringers were glassed.
I think it made them easier to fit instead of waiting until all the glass was done.

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I've calculated 222' of lumber needed for the cleats.
Closest thing I see is 1 x 2. Checking with my cabinet maker buddy first.

Going to fish market to pick up some blue crabs for a dinner tonight.
Man, I miss the coast! I used to spend a couple of hours in a salt marsh and catch all of these I wanted.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:05 pm
by Capt UB
Check the molding lumber. I found some 1x1 (3/4 x 3/4) pine. They had it in 15 ft lengths. I did go with the 1x2 from Lowes on the FS14. I am building the strongback for the LM18 next week, but will use it as a flat build table first. Maybe connect my table saw to it and pre cut 1x1 cleats and anything else now!? I don't have the room like you do!

She is looking good. Weather should be getting better for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:13 pm
by Capt UB
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Alexandria- ... gQodciQE1g


1 1/16" x 1 1/16" they have it in pine, but that finger joined.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:36 pm
by fallguy1000
I wonder why you guys wouldn't use foam for cleating. I suppose you won't need to glass a wood cleat, but all my cleats are foam with a piecr of 4" glass to make sure it sticks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:46 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:36 pm I wonder why you guys wouldn't use foam for cleating. I suppose you won't need to glass a wood cleat, but all my cleats are foam with a piecr of 4" glass to make sure it sticks.
Foam for cleats?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:22 pm
by Eric1
I was and may still. Jacques told me to glass the foam on both sides. That's kinda a deal breaker.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:07 pm
by fallguy1000
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Easy to modify dims, foam on table saw.

Weight compare?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:58 pm
by flyfishingmonk
This boat is really looking great.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:40 am
by glossieblack
Nice transom design tweak Eric. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:05 am
by Eric1
Thank you Gents. I'm taking the day off from the build.
My Sweet Mother in law has requested our presence at a family luncheon.
She wants to brag over her grandbabies to her cousins.
I could not deny her the opportunity.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:30 pm
by Fuzz
Your a good man taking care of your MIL. I am one of those rare husbands who really like my MIL. I would be all in favor of her moving in with us if she wanted to.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:21 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:30 pm Your a good man taking care of your MIL. I am one of those rare husbands who really like my MIL. I would be all in favor of her moving in with us if she wanted to.
Thanks Buddy. I'm lucky that way too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:14 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
As they say... "If mamma ain't happy..." :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:29 am
by Eric1
Very little getting done in the boat. I've been busy in the shop.
It's been a very stressful week. A simple job that normally runs easy turned into a PITA.
Second, I got and order from a customer for repeat parts from 2012. Of course it's a complex part and
since it's been so long I deleted the programs. I never thought I would hear from them again, I thought it was a one time run.
I had to change the way these are machined because of the new revision.

I decided to get my mind off of machining this morning and pulled fillets on the first frame.
I listened to Beethoven's ninth symphony and completed the fillet work.
I think of how amazing it is to know the man was stone deaf when he composed the beautiful symphony and I am in awe.
Sure makes my troubles seem bearable.

Link for those of you who have never heard this masterpiece.

https://youtu.be/t3217H8JppI



Fillets:

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Used left over to start tabbing:

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Have a great weekend Y'all!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:29 pm
by Fuzz
Hang in there buddy. I promise you will get done with this part. And it might even be in this decade :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:08 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:19 pm
by piperdown
Looking good Eric!

Question, since my boat doesn't have stringers.
Do you glass over the top of the stringers or is it just coated with neat epoxy? Guess same question on the frames. If just coated, how many coats?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:05 pm
by Eric1
piperdown wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:19 pm Looking good Eric!

Question, since my boat doesn't have stringers.
Do you glass over the top of the stringers or is it just coated with neat epoxy? Guess same question on the frames. If just coated, how many coats?
The tops will get a coat or two. Plus, They will be sandwiched between the sole with epoxy glue also.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
I was worried about the same thing and did a few coats of epoxy but to get the tops flush I sanded most of it back off. Not putting any more till the cleats are on and ready to put the sole on.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:11 pm
by Eric1
I cranked up Marshall Tucker and Lynyrd Skynyrd this morning and went to work on my frames.
The forward frame is ready for glass. The one behind it is tabbed. The epoxy sphere works as planned.
You can pull fillets with it and finish the corners well. You have to leave a surplus of Eze Fillet in the corner
Then after it's slightly firm to the touch, go over it with the sphere and a bit of denature alcohol. This produces a perfect inside corner.

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Frame G is 60% done. I am surprised at how much time it takes to do the fillets on the frames.
I Started working just before 8 this morning and my knees can't take any more. It feels like I'm never going to get this part done.

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I'm coming in tomorrow to get a little more done. I can't do more than a half day with my crappy knees.
Besides, I have to cook dressing and gravy for Pastor appreciation Sunday. C'est La Vie.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:02 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Eric1 wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:11 pm I cranked up Marshall Tucker and Lynyrd Skynyrd this morning and went to work on my frames.
Both great bands. I have heard Marshall Tucker in person many times, and some of the surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Good call on the corners.

The boat looks good!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:46 pm
by Fuzz
If YOU say the fillets look perfect they must look like Rembrandt did them :wink:
You may be on to something with your special new tool :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:07 pm
by Jaysen
Can you show a bit of "how to use the sphere"? I'm ma be to dense to understand what you're doing.

That or I want to see you play with your shiny balls...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:32 pm
by Fuzz
Some body call Mrs.Jaysen.................and tell her to bring her ruler :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:34 pm
by Fuzz
I have to admit this thread has lots of opportunity for razzing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:32 pm
by pee wee
The hardest places to get neat looking are those inside fillet radii, and the hardest places to sand after the epoxy hardens are those same inside corners. If a tool like Eric's Shiny Balls(TM) will make life easier, then I'm all for it. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:10 pm
by Fuzz
Eric's Shiny Balls has been trade marked :!: I guess this means it is official now :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:58 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:32 pm Some body call Mrs.Jaysen.................and tell her to bring her ruler :lol:
She’s in the couch with a stiff drink muttering “why me?” Over and over. That’s actually pretty normal around here.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:36 am
by Knoxville_Jay
Starting to look real SOLID!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 am
by Eric1
Knoxville_Jay wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:36 am Starting to look real SOLID!!!
Thanks Jay.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:02 pm
by Bogieman
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:25 pm
by Eric1
I hope all have had a good weekend. I didn't get anything done Saturday.
The needs of the many out weighing the needs of the few. We had a good morning at church, followed by a potluck.
My sister in law cooked a turkey and it was very good. I made cornbread dressing to go with it.

I could not sit around after that so I came to the shop and finished frame G.

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I also spent a little more time on frame C. I had larger gaps than I wanted so I'm using the dam method to fill.
All in all a fair amount of progress.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:51 pm
by glossieblack
Nice steady progress Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice work Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:01 pm
by Jeff
Yes, nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 pm
by piperdown
Sounds like you had a great potluck!
Nice progress on the frames.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:16 pm
by OrangeQuest
Keep chipping away, your build is looking very good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:10 am
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:10 am
by flyfishingmonk
That boat is going to be something else.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:47 pm
by fallguy1000
I hotglue my panels in place. That way, I can fillet and tape right away. The hotglue gums sandpapers; otherwise, system works well. The gluegun is like 15 bux. Any of you ply guys do the hot glue?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:07 am
by flyfishingmonk
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:47 pm I hotglue my panels in place. That way, I can fillet and tape right away. The hotglue gums sandpapers; otherwise, system works well. The gluegun is like 15 bux. Any of you ply guys do the hot glue?
Interesting idea. I always just hit the joint a few hours earlier with EZ-Fillet, or the night before. It seems to set up pretty fast. I also have a heater in my garage, so I button it up and crank up the heat for a faster cure.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:48 am
by topwater
I use hot glue when doing all the under deck cleats , saves you from running out of clamps. Learned this from Larry :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:00 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:48 am I use hot glue when doing all the under deck cleats , saves you from running out of clamps. Learned this from Larry :)
Yep, That's where I learned too. I plan to use that when I do mine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:56 am
by blueflood
Glue gun is in the tool box; very useful for quick tack gluing until epoxy.

Marc
Nice job Eric 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:56 am
by Christer
So how do you use the hot glue? A drop here and a drop there just to keep the part in place, then peel off the glue when the epoxy is on? Or do you epoxy over the hot glue?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:01 am
by Eric1
Christer wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:56 am So how do you use the hot glue? A drop here and a drop there just to keep the part in place, then peel off the glue when the epoxy is on? Or do you epoxy over the hot glue?
That's my understanding. It's just temporary to hold cleats in place. It's then removed and fill as needed.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:42 am
by fallguy1000
I posted a thread called hot glue that shows how I am using it. Sorry to hijack Eric. I was really only asking if you used it on the transverse framing.

I am enjoying your build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:22 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Another way I "spot weld" is with 5 min epoxy. Still super strong, can be epoxied over, and of course sets up really fast.

Mix in some filler and bam, a 5 min cure fillet. I keep JB Weld epoxy on hand for both normal applications for wood, and plastic applications for the PVC I am gluing to wood (corners of the bait well for example).

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:05 pm
by Eric1
Good tips Fallguy and Casey.

My Dad's funeral was one of the best I've ever had the honor to attend. My Pastor and my Brother preached
good messages and witnessed on behalf of my late father. I was fine through most of it.
I was ok when the honor quilt was presented to me for Dad and when the Veterans presented the flag.
I almost lost it when the service closed with Floyd Cramer's "Last Dance". That was My parents song when they dated.
I can imagine them dancing when they met in Heaven to it. Thank you all for your kindness and support during this time.

I woke early and waited for my girls to rise. I took them out for breakfast and then we came home.
I could not sit around today, to many thoughts and memories to sit still.
So I came in to keep my hands and mind busy. I sanded the first three frames to prep them.
I found some places lacking so I touched up the fillets where needed.
Heck, On the second frame I thought I'd pulled fillets but I didn't. That's fixed.
I used leftover to "tab" the last frame in place.

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I set level with door shims..

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All in. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:19 pm
by Fuzz
Eric I am very happy to learn things went well for you at the funereal. No matter what it is a tough time but as you know it will get better with time.
Working on the boat and keeping the hands busy is a good move. And it is looking like you are getting closer to getting up out of that darn bottom :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:53 pm
by fallguy1000
It sure is a big rig. You get an idea for scale when all the frames in pictured.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:25 pm
by piperdown
Glad the funeral went well.
Years ago when I lost my dad I made it through most of the service okay. But when a friend of his spoke about teaching together and my dad helping him get started in farming I lost it. So I understand about the emotional turmoil.
Keeping busy is a good thing, I did the same myself.

C21 is looking real good Eric! You do such a fantastic job on nice smooth lines :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:58 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric I missed the bad news :( condolences for your lost, just think he's in better hands now.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:13 am
by Eric1
Thanks again fellas for the uplifting words. I promise I'm ok with this.
I mourn and feel lose but I can separate those feelings as the flesh speaking.
I know when he exhaled his last breath here his next breath was in Heaven!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:51 pm
by dalnilo
I'm sorry for the death of your father condolences.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:28 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Sorry for your loss. Blessings to you and your family.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:05 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, very sorry for your loss. Best wishes to you and your family.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:13 am
by Knoxville_Jay
I saw your FB post about your dad. I'm very sorry for your loss.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:15 am
by Eric1
I decided to do a little bit of boat building this morning.
61 degrees in the shop, epoxy was thick. I guess I'm going to have to warm it in a water bath.
At any rate, I continued the fill/fillet work on the last frame. Same as previous one. Using a dam
to fill the larger gaps. I could have done a better job and took measurements in the boat before cutting frames.

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After doing that I put down glass on the first side of my starting frame. I can only work one side at a time
Or I would be on top of fiber glass working. I see no point in that.
I was just happy to have got some glass on the boat. It just feels like progress.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:38 am
by piperdown
Good progress Eric :D

Are you just taping the frame and stringer seams and then coating with epoxy? Or are they going to be covered in glass?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:46 am
by Bogieman
Beautiful work as always :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:15 pm
by OrangeQuest
Good to see you back at it and as always everything is looking really good...and BIG!

Remember with the cooler temps the epoxy seems to take forever!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:39 pm
by Eric1
piperdown wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:38 am Good progress Eric :D

Are you just taping the frame and stringer seams and then coating with epoxy? Or are they going to be covered in glass?
Just tape and coat, though I've given thought to glass in a few areas. We'll see.

Thanks Y'all. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:45 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:12 am
by fallguy1000
I can't wait until you get to a next step.

What is going on under the sole?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:21 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:12 am I can't wait until you get to a next step.

What is going on under the sole?
Couple of gas tanks, pvc tubing for needed wires and hoses, considering a strainer / pickup for bait tank wash down, bilge pump etc.
I must admit I have poorly planned past this part of the build. I am back to thinking center console. As my girls get older they tend to have their own interests beyond spending time with the old man. Extended family even less so, I may as well build the boat for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:55 pm
by fallguy1000
Build it for you. Then the passengers will enjoy it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:26 pm
by Fuzz
X2

Your work looks good as always. I bet it will be a great day when you get out of that bilge :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm
by BB Sig
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:15 am
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Looks good as always! Good to see you back at it! :D

What is that specialized tool in the bottom of the picture? Just curious... :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:49 am
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm

What is that specialized tool in the bottom of the picture? Just curious... :doh:
It's a cup holder for the epoxy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:00 am
by Dougster
Definitely build it for you. I think when it goes right children leave their parents forever, then come back as adults with their own lives and interests. There may well be some intersection then, for sure. For now you can show by example how to chase their own dream.
Oh, and lord that boat looks big!

Dougster

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:07 am
by Eric1
I think you guys are right about the build. I guess I'm going to build a center console since I primarily intend to fish.
It was a little warmer in the shop at 68 degrees. I could feel the difference in the epoxy during layup too.
I touched up the corners and fillets, then I laid my glass. It went down with ease.
Thank you everyone for the kind remarks. I have had a lot on my mind as of late and I apologize for the late thank you.

First frame is glassed.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:20 am
by Jeff
As always Eric, very nice work!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:58 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Jeff!

I just finished a side on the next frame down. Same process, touch up and fillet with eze fillet, then get glass in place.

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This wet on wet process really helps hold the glass to the fillets. I wish I'd been able to do more of the build in this manner.
I left the work light to try and get a better picture. I'm not sure it's much better.

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I had a good bit of epoxy from the second batch so I used it to start sealing the plywood.

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We're closing the shop after today so people can cook and have Thanksgiving with their families.
I'll be back on this Friday morning, Lord willing. I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving!
Use the day to love each other and reflect for the many blessing you have!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:03 pm
by Fuzz
Looking good Eric :!:
I was thinking you were done with glassing the frames but I see there is still some more to go. Your work is so clean I had to look very close to be sure. I hope you have a good time with family and friends.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:12 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:03 pm Looking good Eric :!:
I was thinking you were done with glassing the frames but I see there is still some more to go. Your work is so clean I had to look very close to be sure. I hope you have a good time with family and friends.
Thank You Fuzz. I've still have miles to go before I sleep. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:24 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:58 pm
This wet on wet process really helps hold the glass to the fillets. I wish I'd been able to do more of the build in this manner.
YUP!

Much better when possible. I won't fillet without time to wet tapes anymore.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:21 pm
by joe2700
I really regretted the one set of frame fillets I let cure before glassing. The sanding is miserable on top if the glass being harder to apply. I also only do wet on wet now. At first I was a little worried because the container of EZ fillet said you had to sand before putting anything on top without a mention of that only being after it cures. I was doing it anyway but later found the TDS clarifies that wet on wet is no problem as expected, and mentions working the fillet through the glass for smoothness which I definitely do. You can be a lot less careful applying the fillet when you do it this way too.
The putty “bodies” up when mixed to form a non-sagging putty that can be applied by spatula, caulking tube or by
using a plastic bag in cake decorating style. EZ Fillet cures overnight to an exceptionally strong fillet, which may be
sanded for subsequent fiberglass tape application. Alternatively, the tape can be applied after EZ Fillet starts to get
stiff. Use SilverTip laminating resin for this purpose and work EZ Fillet under the wet tape for a smooth, bubble-free
composite. A further way to achieve a smooth fillet is to let EZ Fillet get fairly stiff and then smooth with a rag soaked
in paint thinner. Sand lightly after curing before applying tape. Lightly stir both parts of EZ Fillet before using to mix
in any separated liquid.
- https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1000/ ... 2554198805

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:04 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric have a safe few days and hope to see you back at it Friday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:48 pm
by TomW1
Eric have a nice Thanksgiving with your family on Thursday. It will be different without your Dad and maybe a little sad but be glad that he is in a better place and looking down on all of you and celebrating with all of the good times you have had in the past. Your bud.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:31 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:04 pm Eric have a safe few days and hope to see you back at it Friday.
Thank Buddy you too!
TomW1 wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:48 pm Eric have a nice Thanksgiving with your family on Thursday. It will be different without your Dad and maybe a little sad but be glad that he is in a better place and looking down on all of you and celebrating with all of the good times you have had in the past. Your bud.

Tom
Thank You Tom. All that remain are a few scattered, precious uncles and aunts.
Nearly all the adults I loved during my youth have passed. I lament those times.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:32 am
by Jeff
Eric, you and the girls try to have a good Thanksgiving this year!! I know it will be tough, but try!! Happy Thanksgiving!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Mighty fine looking work filleting and taping the frames!
If things go right, I may be passing through your area in a few weeks.
If the anticipated trip actually occurs, it would be great to get a look at your boat.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:16 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:10 pm Mighty fine looking work filleting and taping the frames!
If things go right, I may be passing through your area in a few weeks.
If the anticipated trip actually occurs, it would be great to get a look at your boat.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family...
Thank You! I hope you can visit!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:08 pm
by Eric1
Well after a nice Thanksgiving I came home to relax.
I made a plane to get up and come in today and knock out the glass on two frames.
I awoke this morning at 6 am, started a pot of coffee and sat down in my chair to wait for it to brew.
I woke back up at 10:30! I zonked out before the coffee could brew! :lol:
So I came in and went to work on the first goal. By the time I had it glassed my left knee was
sending the stop signal. I've got to be the slowest boat builder in history of Bateau! :lol:

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I'm heading to the store for jalapenos and stuff to make poppers for tomorrow.
Going to my brother in laws to watch Clemson whoop up on the South Carolina Gamecoots!
Y'all have a good weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:16 pm
by fallguy1000
You beat me. I got a haircut, put an air filter in dad's car and thought about the boat for a minute.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:17 pm
by Eric1
:D :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:05 pm
by glossieblack
It's a pleasure catching up with your build Eric. Very nice. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:17 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Glossie! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:21 pm
by Capt UB
Does look nice. How are you feeling? Getting it done, seeing a light at the end of the tunnel?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:25 pm
by Fuzz
There is a light but is it a train :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:52 am
by TomW1
Take care of that knee guy. I didn't do anything except smoke a turkey over the weekend. Then watched my OSU Buckeyes smash the #4 Michigan team 62-39 most points ever scored against Michigan. :lol: :lol:

Take care guy. It is supposed to be down to 16 tomorrow night here.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:43 am
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:21 pm Does look nice. How are you feeling? Getting it done, seeing a light at the end of the tunnel?
I'm ok Bob, I just hated having to stop. I'm running a machine this week.
As far as light at the end....This nails it! :lol: :
Fuzz wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:25 pm There is a light but is it a train :help:
TomW1 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:52 am Take care of that knee guy. I didn't do anything except smoke a turkey over the weekend. Then watched my OSU Buckeyes smash the #4 Michigan team 62-39 most points ever scored against Michigan. :lol: :lol:

Take care guy. It is supposed to be down to 16 tomorrow night here.

Tom
We're 20 this morning with a high of 43. That was an amazing upset! It should change things for Clemson too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:44 am
by piperdown
You've got to be fairly excited though, since you're not too far off from being able to put some planks across for a level surface.
Are you using knee pads and a thick foam pad to kneel on? Between the two of those items that's helps my knee some. Well that and ibuprofen :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:09 am
by Eric1
piperdown wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:44 am You've got to be fairly excited though, since you're not too far off from being able to put some planks across for a level surface.
Are you using knee pads and a thick foam pad to kneel on? Between the two of those items that's helps my knee some. Well that and ibuprofen :D
I am somewhat excited. I think I'll be be more so once the cleat work is done.
To answer your question, I'm only using the black pads. Both are a pain as the knee pad
wants to grab the Gym mats while I move around. Ibuprofen and aleve both help.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:50 am
by piperdown
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:09 am
piperdown wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:44 am You've got to be fairly excited though, since you're not too far off from being able to put some planks across for a level surface.
Are you using knee pads and a thick foam pad to kneel on? Between the two of those items that's helps my knee some. Well that and ibuprofen :D
I am somewhat excited. I think I'll be be more so once the cleat work is done.
To answer your question, I'm only using the black pads. Both are a pain as the knee pad
wants to grab the Gym mats while I move around. Ibuprofen and aleve both help.
Makes sense. I use both but only when working on the floor not for boat building. Since it usually involves tiling or something of that nature I don't have to move around all that much.
Funny that Aleve just doesn't do a whole lot for me.
Keep at it, boat's looking great!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:44 am
by OrangeQuest
Ibuprofen and Aleve both help me too! Better than morphine for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:45 am
by Christer
Aren't the stringers and frames all filleted in? Wouldn't they be strong enough to lay a ply sheet over to sit on while working on the exposed ones, then shift the ply sheet to the finished section and then do the rest after?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:21 pm
by Fuzz
Eric did you see the way AA did the cleats on Bare Bones? It will save you a ton of time and work. And the work it saves is on your knees work :wink: I did it that way on my dory and will do it that way on anything else I build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:09 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:21 pm Eric did you see the way AA did the cleats on Bare Bones? It will save you a ton of time and work. And the work it saves is on your knees work :wink: I did it that way on my dory and will do it that way on anything else I build.
I would if I could Fuzz. I created a problem as I glued in my stringers.The two that are outboard of the keel are not level with the two inside ones. From best I can tell my hull fixture gave way as I was working putting them in. My plan is to set cleats on the inboard stringers first, then use a level to set the cleats on the outboard stringers to the inboard. This would be difficult to do as the out board stringers would require a variable dado cut.
I'll have to use the standard method to do this. Sure wish I had caught it before but it's to late.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:20 pm
by Jaysen
So .... I’m not sure if variable dado is needed or just spacers and thickened goo. Maybe not even that. Here’s a lazy man’s brain for you...

So mark level and see what my largest measure from level is. I add .5” to that. I mark level to be tangent to the lowest point plus .5”. Now I make all my dado to the adjusted measure. I would pin the level mark to ensure all cleats are held to the mark even when I can’t see it. I’d then fill the dado with really thick goo and put the cleats on pressing them into the pins. The oozing goo would be immediately formed into a fillet with your giant shiny balls. Let sit, touch with neat, apply tape.

Make sense?

And the shiny ball referenced just for you Fuzz.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:48 pm
by fallguy1000
When I read variable dado, I got a little headache.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dado, dado, variable dado. :lol:
Anyone who can build the stuff you build in your shop can handle a variable depth dado. :D
Heck, it’s not rocket science... and you can actually build rockets.
By the way, peer pressure does not exist here. :lol: :P
Nice looking work on the stringers. When you get to the laminating on the inside, it sure increases the degree of difficulty doesn’t it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:29 pm
by OrangeQuest
If you are using a table saw to cut the dados and don't want to keep changing the depth then after you cut all your dados the same depth. The stringers/frames that are to proud just turn the cleats on their side and cut a little off the top, or a lot. Even if some need to be deep on one end and shallow on the other just run it through a taper jig.
4116

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:01 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:18 pm Dado, dado, variable dado. :lol:
Anyone who can build the stuff you build in your shop can handle a variable depth dado. :D
Heck, it’s not rocket science... and you can actually build rockets.
By the way, peer pressure does not exist here. :lol: :P
Nice looking work on the stringers. When you get to the laminating on the inside, it sure increases the degree of difficulty doesn’t it?
Thanks Richard. It is indeed more difficult work on the inside.
I could handle doing it that way, I think the alternative is an easier than all that.
Thanks for the support/encouragement.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Understood Eric, have a great night. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:22 pm
by Eric1
Man I'm tired! I started around 8:00 this morning. Had my stereo linked to you tube. I was listening to 70's-80's hits.
My mind drifted back to being a kid in Cuba all the way through my Navy Career. Lots of good memories!
I filled the last of frame E with Eze Fillet. Then I pulled fillets on both sides of frame G.
Next, I cut out the biax tape and put it in place.

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I used 23 ounces of epoxy to wet out the glass. The last ounce I coated bare ply on the stringers.
Sorry for the crappy picture.

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Other side, Finished about 2:00. I doubt I'll be back before Monday. It may not look like much but
it was a marathon on my knees. I'm headed home for a sandwich and some rest.

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Y'all have a great weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:27 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work Eric!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:31 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:53 pm
by Fuzz
Looking good. You must be getting close to done with this part.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:57 pm
by Jaysen
I've noticed you've never shown us the use of the big shiny balls after the first exposure.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:01 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wants to see Eric playing with his balls :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:02 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:01 pm Jaysen wants to see Eric playing with his balls :help:
only suggesting it for you. :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:04 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:57 pm I've noticed you've never shown us the use of the big shiny balls after the first exposure.
They are more headache than they are worth so I'm not going further with them.
They do work but it takes a lot of effort.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:04 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:01 pm Jaysen wants to see Eric playing with his balls :help:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Dayum!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:15 pm
by Bogieman
Looking great, Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:21 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:04 pm
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:57 pm I've noticed you've never shown us the use of the big shiny balls after the first exposure.
They are more headache than they are worth so I'm not going further with them.
They do work but it takes a lot of effort.
Serious question... serious... its a question that isn't entendre of any kind (not even double)...

Is it just a tight space thing? I'd see how it would be a tight fit now, but when pulling a long straight fillet I'd think they would have easy enough for any idiot (me) to use (assuming I'm understanding the use).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:30 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:21 pm
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:04 pm
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:57 pm I've noticed you've never shown us the use of the big shiny balls after the first exposure.
They are more headache than they are worth so I'm not going further with them.
They do work but it takes a lot of effort.
Serious question... serious... its a question that isn't entendre of any kind (not even double)...

Is it just a tight space thing? I'd see how it would be a tight fit now, but when pulling a long straight fillet I'd think they would have easy enough for any idiot (me) to use (assuming I'm understanding the use).
I specifically wanted them to address the corners in the frame to stringer to hill. That is a pita!
A straight corner of two sides they work fine but why produce them? A simple piece of PVC pipe does the same thing in that application.
Does that make sense?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:40 pm
by Jaysen
If I'm thinking this right...

assume line A is hull/frame horizontal (bottom), line B is hull/stinger horizontal (bottom), line C is stringer/frame vertical. Thinking of CAD a=x, c=y, b=z with 0,0,0 being the complex corner. the ball would move 0,0,Z--> 0,0,0 making fillet. Lift and do X,0,0 --> 0,0,0. Lift and 0,Y,0 --> 0,0,0. In theory that would leave a perfect fillet on three axis at 0,0,0

Was that the basic idea?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:53 pm
by Eric1
You nailed it. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:12 pm
by OrangeQuest
Your work looks great Eric! So I guess that is the last of the fillets for a while? If it is bet it feels good to finish it on a Friday. Then Rest the rest of the weekend!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:33 pm
by Jaysen
What was the failure point with the plan?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:33 pm What was the failure point with the plan?
Ok, you're gonna love this. The eze fillet would stick to it and pullout of the corner.
Yep, You got it. Eric's Sticky balls. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:01 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:12 pm Your work looks great Eric! So I guess that is the last of the fillets for a while? If it is bet it feels good to finish it on a Friday. Then Rest the rest of the weekend!!
I have one more to do next week. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:22 pm
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:33 pm What was the failure point with the plan?
Ok, you're gonna love this. The eze fillet would stick to it and pullout of the corner.
Yep, You got it. Eric's Sticky balls. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Eric’s big shiny sticky balls.

Got to get it all in there.

Seems odd that it would stick. Do you think using marinepoxy with wood flour mixed a bit thin would have worked better?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:37 pm
by Eric1
Perhaps but I've not tried it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:10 pm
by Jaysen
Winds like fuzz needs to get his hands on one of your big shiny sticky balls so we can find out!

That should cost Fuzz a monitor or keyboard.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:04 pm
by Fuzz
Just guessing here but I would think if Eric would wax his balls before using them there would be less problem with things sticking to them :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:00 am
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:04 pm Just guessing here but I would think if Eric would wax his balls before using them there would be less problem with things sticking to them :doh:
Or the alcohol dip might work.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:18 am
by topwater
This is really starting to sound so bad :wink: Leave it to Fuzz and Jaysen to drag this thread kicking and screaming
down into the gutter :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:11 pm
by Fuzz
topwater wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:18 am This is really starting to sound so bad :wink: Leave it to Fuzz and Jaysen to drag this thread kicking and screaming
down into the gutter :lol:
What you talking about :doh: :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:50 am
by topwater
Who me :!: :!: Yea you :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:17 am
by Jaysen
Hey, I was just asking serious questions. Your interpretation...

:P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:59 pm
by fallguy1000
A little fun mixed in. I was dead serious about the alcohol dip. Still giggled.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:35 pm
by Eric1
I started late to let the temperature come up to 68.
I put my fillets down on the first side of the last frame.

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Then I put the glass down.

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Last glass going down tomorrow and the frames will be done!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:47 pm
by Fuzz
Happy day in Eric's life when the frames are done :wink: Your glass work looks as expected..........perfect.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:48 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:47 pm Happy day in Eric's life when the frames are done :wink: Your glass work looks as expected..........perfect.
Thanks Fuzz. I'm looking forward to the cleats. Then I can get off my knees for a while.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:59 pm
by Fuzz
Speaking of cleats.............you are going to need half of a lumber yard to cleat that beast :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:12 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:59 pm Speaking of cleats.............you are going to need half of a lumber yard to cleat that beast :help:
Fuzz, I plan to buy 5, 1 x 6's and rip them into 4 equal width strips.
That's my starting point anyway. :roll:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:48 pm
by Jaysen
Let's start off with "Jaysen is a forkin' moron" to set the proper expectation for this post.

I was thinking (and there's the moron coming through) about that little level problem and variable dados and all that... As a man with ridiculous CNC options, couldn't you manufacture a little L bracket to hold a cleat to the right level? Just use some of that blue putty crap to hold it in place while the epoxy sets. On the stringers where you've lost level you'd have to do one cleat on each side of the stringer and fill with thickened epoxy. but it would be easier than variable dado. I think.

And let's end with "jaysen is capable of stating the obvious"

That work makes me wonder if you ever really needed your big shiny balls.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:07 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:48 pm Let's start off with "Jaysen is a forkin' moron" to set the proper expectation for this post.

I was thinking (and there's the moron coming through) about that little level problem and variable dados and all that... As a man with ridiculous CNC options, couldn't you manufacture a little L bracket to hold a cleat to the right level? Just use some of that blue putty crap to hold it in place while the epoxy sets. On the stringers where you've lost level you'd have to do one cleat on each side of the stringer and fill with thickened epoxy. but it would be easier than variable dado. I think.

And let's end with "jaysen is capable of stating the obvious"

That work makes me wonder if you ever really needed your big shiny balls.
Jaysen, First I have to say, I really don't like when you preface your thoughts in such a manner. There are enough critics that will jump at the opportunity to throw dirt at you. Please don't do it to yourself. Your thoughts are as valid as anybody else's. This is heartfelt Jaysen.


Second I have given thought to making a similar bracket, but I'll try to keep it simple. That is without a lot of machining.
First I must decide if I truly need it. Time will tell.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:15 pm
by Jaysen
All my self deprecation is tongue in cheek. Really I'm setting Fuzz up to join me in a little "who can find the crazy solution here" contest. I'll refrain in the future. Just know that there's nothing to worry about on my side of the internet.

What was I was thinking was cutting a little aluminium L (1"x1/2"x1/8") in a 2" length. You can get it at Lowes in 4' sections for about ... $12. just use it to hold the cleat up to level with that blue picture stuff till you get a clamp on the cleat. I did something like that for my seats until I just use a couple four letter words and put a screw through the hull to hold the cleat in place (took me a bit to realize there was no clamp that would work for that).

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:53 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:15 pm All my self deprecation is tongue in cheek. Really I'm setting Fuzz up to join me in a little "who can find the crazy solution here" contest. I'll refrain in the future. Just know that there's nothing to worry about on my side of the internet.
I'm glad it's all TIC! I've just had people in my life try to put me in that mind set when I was younger.
One of them had me convinced I was worthless until I saw through the BS.
I just think more of everyone here than y'all see.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:05 pm
by Jaysen
No problem. I know there are folks that have issues with self worth. Not me. I tend the other way. I’m glad you escaped the trap and are in the right side of it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:03 pm
by Fuzz
Ok one question here. Just because you are being nice to him does it mean the rest of us have to also :doh: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:53 pm
by cape man
Not me!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:59 pm
by Jaysen
If y’all start being nice the world may come to an end. I wouldn’t want to have that hanging over my head.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:45 am
by Capt UB
Use a dado blade on a 3x? like some of the others who wanted to raise the sole, just do a deeper cut. This would save time and you would have three sides to glue...

I hope that makes sense.... I think someone was doing this on FS17?



Found it,

Re: Narfi's FS17 - Build Thread
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:36 am
by Eric1
Another milestone achieved! The frames are glassed in!!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:45 pm
by TomTom
Hey Eric - looks like you and I are neck and neck now... me on my C19 Stretch to C21 Rebuild and all. Good going... your work is so neat.

Have your ordered your bracket yet? Is it a custom built one? Remember you saying you were going to do that with this boat?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:54 pm
by piperdown
Woo Hoo Eric!! Big milestone done!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:58 pm
by fallguy1000
What are the white marks down the middle? Are those limbers you glassed over and need to cut out?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:18 pm
by Fuzz
Congratulations Eric this has been a long time coming but you got it done. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm
by TomW1
Congratulations Eric. Another big step done.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:39 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:58 pm What are the white marks down the middle? Are those limbers you glassed over and need to cut out?
Yes

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:43 pm
by fallguy1000
Will you only limber the middle section? Curious the rationale is all.

Not trying to indict you. I have just seen some guys build these as dry bilges and have doubts about that in reality.

Do you plan water there and a bilge pump?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:24 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:43 pm Will you only limber the middle section? Curious the rationale is all.
Yes, all other voids to be filled with foam.
Not trying to indict you. I have just seen some guys build these as dry bilges and have doubts about that in reality.

Do you plan water there and a bilge pump?
Possibly, yes on the pump.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:11 pm
by fallguy1000
So how will water get into the bilge? Just a question.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:57 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:11 pm So how will water get into the bilge? Just a question.
I suppose my greatest concern is a leaking fuel tank. Second would be water intrusion.
I'm just trying to foresee the what ifs.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:47 am
by fallguy1000
So the limbers are more like telltales. That is fine.

You probably will have a bilge pump that gets zero use.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:27 pm
by OrangeQuest
I think I would want a pump that I never need verses having a need for a pump I don't have. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:03 am
by TomTom
Can I give my 2 cents... I believe in all these small boats, a small bilge is nice because it allows you to properly close/ plug your scuppers when actually using the boat.

Then any water that does come into the boat - eg spray, swimmers getting in/out etc goes into the bilge and is pumped out. The bilge is small enough so that it can fill but not risk swamping the boat. It's purpose is to keep the decks dry and allow you to seal your scuppers unless you need to pull the plugs in an emergency.

I have yet to see a small boat that doesn't get your feet wet at certain points in the day. I have done a lot of fishing on Payan's GS28 - and even that gets ones feet wet backing down/ fighting fish etc. The bilge means you can keep the scuppers blocked until you have moored the boat, or you need to drain the deck in a rush.

Just make sure your bilge is small enough not to swamp the boat. I connected all my central lockers on the C19 with limber holes ...as you are planning ... and the risk is now you have a much bigger space to fill with water and potentially swamp the boat. I would have a bilge at the back, separate from the other compartments.

These I would just have water tight inspection hatches that I can occasionally open and look in. If you have a fuel spill it shouldn't be an everyday issue; and if it does occur you don't really want that mixing with water in your bilge - or bilge water mixing with your fuel tank!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:49 pm
by Christer
TomTom wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:03 am If you have a fuel spill it shouldn't be an everyday issue; and if it does occur you don't really want that mixing with water in your bilge - or bilge water mixing with your fuel tank!
Okay, now I'm concerned. In my boat, I have all sorts of crap floating around in the bilge, including fuel (petrol) and 2-stroke oil from the old outboard. All that sloshes around and is pumped overboard by the bilge pump, but there will always be some left behind that the pump can't get to (that said, I noticed the bottom drain plug a month ago when I wrapped the cover on the boat).

Should I be very worried? Apart from the environmental issues, what other dangers am I looking at?

(I will drain the boat completely and fill the under-deck compartment with an oil and grease remover when I get the boat back from the workshop and scrub it as well as I can, then rinse it out and catch all the polluted water in a tank for the recycling point to handle.)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:08 pm
by OrangeQuest
Keep a mix of Dawn dish soap and water in a spray bottle in the boat to break down the oil and fuel. The oil, fuel and water mix will turn to sticky gunk and stick to everything it touches leaving a greasy mess. It will then dry turning to more like putty making it harder to get off everything it had touched. Will also cause some plastics and rubbers to turn to crumbly pooh. They also make a enzyme that will eat the oil/fuel mix up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:11 pm
by Christer
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:08 pm Keep a mix of Dawn dish soap and water in a spray bottle in the boat to break down the oil and fuel. The oil, fuel and water mix will turn to sticky gunk and stick to everything it touches leaving a greasy mess. It will then dry turning to more like putty making it harder to get off everything it had touched. Will also cause some plastics and rubbers to turn to crumbly pooh. They also make a enzyme that will eat the oil/fuel mix up.
Yeah, that sticky gunk is already there and gets on everything. Hopefully the workshop will get a move on and fix my outboard soon so I can get the boat back.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:23 pm
by fallguy1000
I think Eric had a heart attack. See his other post.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:02 am
by Eric1
So, One week has passed since my heart attack. I can't say that I feel better because I didn't feel bad before.
However, Things are different and I plan to take this seriously. My diet has changed as has my sleep schedule.
I did manage to sleep all of last night thankfully. I've decided to order a dado set and some other stuff for my saw to make my life easier.
I'll be using the Richard/Fuzz method to cap my stringer and frames. I have not done anything this past week but plan for things ahead.
I'm going to VA to sign up for benefits today. Also have to make multiple appointments for follow up, therapy and payment of course.

I hate to say it but I feel depressed. I've had very little interest in anything this past week.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:40 am
by Bogieman
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:02 am So, One week has passed since my heart attack. I can't say that I feel better because I didn't feel bad before.
However, Things are different and I plan to take this seriously. My diet has changed as has my sleep schedule.
I did manage to sleep all of last night thankfully. I've decided to order a dado set and some other stuff for my saw to make my life easier.
I'll be using the Richard/Fuzz method to cap my stringer and frames. I have not done anything this past week but plan for things ahead.
I'm going to VA to sign up for benefits today. Also have to make multiple appointments for follow up, therapy and payment of course.

I hate to say it but I feel depressed. I've had very little interest in anything this past week.
Hi Eric. I can only imagine how you feel. It has to be a scary thing to go through. Many middle aged men (myself included) fear this very thing. The stuff runs in my family too and it sucks. It's the very reason I exercise four days a week and take an 81mg baby aspirin every night before bed. So glad that you are getting a second chance.
Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions about filing for your VA benefits. I've been down that road and might be able to help.

I've enjoyed following along on your build. Impressive work. She is going to be great on the water.



Hang in there,

Bogie

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:41 am
by Jaysen
Depression isn't something to take lightly. Even temporary and non-chronic. While at the VA mention that how you're feeling and ask for a referral to a non-VA psychologist/counselor (they don't prescribe meds) that will accept your bene. They exist.

Dude, you've been through hell the last couple years and come out the otherside. While you're getting back on top of the mountain, remember the beautiful daughters you've been blessed with. You've put food on the table and $$ in the bank through some economic uncertainty all while maintaining your integrity. Even in the worst times you've been the man so many "males" fail to be. Take some solace in the fact that you are living up to a standard that would make your father and wife proud.

I know that the deep seated feelings aren't overcome with that last paragraph. But hold on to the truth it tells while you recover and make the needed changes for a positive future.

Live on!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:41 am
by Jeff
Eric, just take some easy time and give your body time to heal!! I am glad you are doing so well so quickly following the heart attack!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:04 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric, you are not alone, your faith walks with you. You have taken blow after blow from major events in your life, yet you still stand. Weaker men would be on their knees, yet you still stand.

Hang in there,
OQ

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:57 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:02 am So, One week has passed since my heart attack. I can't say that I feel better because I didn't feel bad before.
However, Things are different and I plan to take this seriously. My diet has changed as has my sleep schedule.
I did manage to sleep all of last night thankfully. I've decided to order a dado set and some other stuff for my saw to make my life easier.
I'll be using the Richard/Fuzz method to cap my stringer and frames. I have not done anything this past week but plan for things ahead.
I'm going to VA to sign up for benefits today. Also have to make multiple appointments for follow up, therapy and payment of course.

I hate to say it but I feel depressed. I've had very little interest in anything this past week.
Depression is no joke. It can be caused by depletion of vitamins even. So get a cbc and take a multivitamin with D or drink some skim milk daily.

Untreated depression can result in psychosis. This is what we call crazy. My wife's first husband had this happen. He started thinking she had listening devices in the matchbox cars and accused her of cheating. She got scared and called police. He showed the police a picture of him and said that was his proof she was cheating. Cop knew right away and he was committed for two weeks invol. He died 30 days later to suicide. There is more to the story, but this is enough.

Triggers like losing a family member or health problems can also cause trouble. I only know you through the boat, but you have had both now iirc.

Get a moaning chair out there by the boat. Sit on it until the boat calls. Otherwise take care of Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:19 am
by Eric1
Thanks Everyone, I go for a follow up 12/21.
I plan to bring all this up then. I'm not suicidal but I want to get on anti depression meds before I have those thoughts.
I'll pick up a multi vitamin too, Thanks for that tip.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:29 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, so sorry to hear about all your troubles. Lots of us are in the same age and lifestyle bracket and I’m sure are thinking “there but for the grace of god go I”. A great thing about a group like ours is that, though most of us aren’t just down the road to help, you do have a great many friends all over the world. Fallguy said it best, take some Eric time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:58 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric take the time to read this article and others like it.
https://myheartsisters.org/2014/09/28/i ... diac-risk/

A really good friend helped me get over my wife leaving me even though I kicked her out. Some 9 years went by, the friend and I decided to live together but we broke up after a short time of dating and it ended the friendship. I was heart broken and shortly after the break up I went into deep depression with no friends or support from anyone. I walked into the hospital having a major heart attack even though I was very healthy other wise. But living through the heart attack gave me a new outlook on life and I am thankful I can get out of bed every day. Yours may have caused the opposite effect and brought to the surface all of your grief. I do hope you start feeling better.

OQ

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:15 am
by glossieblack
Thinking of you Eric. And hoping that when the time's right, further boat building will prove therapeutic. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:07 am
by Bogieman
glossieblack wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:15 am Thinking of you Eric. And hoping that when the time's right, further boat building will prove therapeutic. :D
Yes, What GB said. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:42 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. I'm getting better. I go for a follow up Friday at 2:45.
I'm holding of the boat until then.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:42 am Thanks Guys. I'm getting better. I go for a follow up Friday at 2:45.
I'm holding of the boat until then.
Be true to your self and values. It isn't easy.

Good luck.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:58 am
by glossieblack
Enjoy Christmas and all it means for you and your family Eric. You've been tested, and you'll emerge stronger. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:42 am
by flyfishingmonk
topwater wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:18 am This is really starting to sound so bad :wink: Leave it to Fuzz and Jaysen to drag this thread kicking and screaming
down into the gutter :lol:
You mean into the bilge...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:08 pm
by Fuzz
flyfishingmonk wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:42 am
topwater wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:18 am This is really starting to sound so bad :wink: Leave it to Fuzz and Jaysen to drag this thread kicking and screaming
down into the gutter :lol:
You mean into the bilge...
Hey now..................neither Jaysen nor I said anything crude. It is not our fault if you guys minds went some place they ought not to have gone :roll:

And Seasons greetings to you Eric. We all are hoping 2019 is a much better year for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Merry Christmas Eric!
Great talking to you last week.
Take care, glad you are on the mend. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:34 am
by fallguy1000
Merry Christmas Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:33 pm
by Eric1
A Very Merry Christmas to all of you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:16 pm
by piperdown
Eric1 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:33 pm A Very Merry Christmas to all of you.
And a very Merry Christmas to you too Eric! Glad you are still with us!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:42 am
by Eric1
I trust everyone ahd a Great Christmas! I know we did, spent the day with family.
I didn't get anything from Santa this year. I guess I'll have to buy my own underwear and socks! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Today was the first time I got in the boat and did some work since 12/7. I sanded the fiberglass flush to frames and stringers.
Then I coated the last of the bare plywood with epoxy, and started the second from third frame forward. I had no issues with energy or anything.
It felt good to get off my butt and do something.

Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:48 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric and good to see you back in action!! Glad you had a good Christmas with the family!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:08 pm
by OrangeQuest
Nice to see you at it again Eric! Missed you posting pictures of your progress.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 pm
by narfi
Glad you are feeling better Eric!
Keep up a healthy balance with your health, family and boat :) (maybe your business goes in there somewhere as well :P )

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:43 pm
by Bogieman
8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:09 pm
by Capt UB
Really looks good. Glad you are up and running.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:32 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:28 pm
by cape man
A body in motion stays in motion. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:53 pm
by wegcagle
Love it! Glad you’re back in the game.

Will

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:59 pm
by Fuzz
Like everyone else it is good to see you are feeling good enough to be back on the boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:35 pm
by TomW1
Eric glad to see you feeling good enough to be doing some work on the boat. Don't push it though small steps make big gains.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work Eric :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:31 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great. Glad you had a good Christmas. I got plenty of socks so willing to trade/share :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:00 am
by fallguy1000
The only wood I see not encapsulated are the top edges.

Are you gonna hit those with neat b4 decking?

Or is the decking glue enough?

You must spend some time admiring that work buddy.

It sure is a neat n clean looking job.

I am anxious for the sole.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:33 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:00 am The only wood I see not encapsulated are the top edges.

Are you gonna hit those with neat b4 decking?

Or is the decking glue enough?

You must spend some time admiring that work buddy.

It sure is a neat n clean looking job.

I am anxious for the sole.
I plan to hit them with neat just before capping. I had a small setback yesterday. The featherboards I bought from Amazon won't work on my rip fence. I've got wheels ordered and some t-nuts. I should see them Thursday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:43 am
by fallguy1000
I made my own featherboard years ago. I rarely use it for anything. I would use it for smaller stuff. Maybe I am just too dumb to see the benefit?

Are you using it for dado cutting the cleats? I sort of understand; you don't want the part to grab in a heavy cut. I hate dado cutting on the ts; perhaps the featherboard sitting idle under the saw is why...

I setup a ras for all my dado cutting, but have yet to try any long dados that would require fixing the head and moving the piece behind a fence (or feather).

Making a featherboard is really easy. Mine is red oak iirc.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:04 pm
by Eric1
Yea, Its for the ts dado cutting. I don't want my fingers anywhere near that type of cut. I figure to be a 56 year old machinist with all my fingers speaks to my safety record. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:12 pm
by Jaysen
In all my dado I used rollers on fence, feather on table and extended fence to 3/4length of cut on backside (roller supports). Those fence wheels are the bomb.

Just because I’m freely ignorant, why not use one of your fancy machines for this?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:14 pm
by Jaysen
Or a router table? Heck a simple jig and a hand held router would do too.

Just asking.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:44 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:12 pm In all my dado I used rollers on fence, feather on table and extended fence to 3/4length of cut on backside (roller supports). Those fence wheels are the bomb.

Just because I’m freely ignorant, why not use one of your fancy machines for this?
Cheaper to buy than to make.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:33 pm
by Jaysen
My “this” was about the dado cut not the wheels. Seems like a simple 2pass plan in a 8’ board then cut to length in a mitre saw. Double 45 for junctions.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:18 am
by pee wee
I've got one of these featherboards and find it very easy to use, hence it gets used frequently:

https://www.ptreeusa.com/images/3391_un ... _1_300.jpg

It's made by magswitch, I think I got it from Amazon but here's their products:

https://www.ptreeusa.com/shop_safety_magswitch.htm

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric,
When you have a minute, can you post some photos of the stringers where the variable depth routed cleats will go?
Maybe send me a couple of sketches too.
I’d be delighted to cut the cleats for you on my woodworking equipment and send them to you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:16 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:22 pm Eric,
When you have a minute, can you post some photos of the stringers where the variable depth routed cleats will go?
Maybe send me a couple of sketches too.
I’d be delighted to cut the cleats for you on my woodworking equipment and send them to you.
Richard, That is an incredible offer my friend. I can not, however, accept it.
I want to figure this out myself and I do have a plan. Just learning about the tooling in the wood working world has slowed me a bit.
Hopefully today I will have my Amazon shipment! :wink:

Thank You so very much for your kind offer!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:25 am
by glossieblack
What a classy exchange between two of the primo gentleman builders on this forum. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:58 am
by Jaysen
Eric, if you have questions on the tooling toss them out here. There are the pros (ex AA), the high end "hobbyists" (who may be pros but not mentioning it)(ex flyfishingmonk) and hacks like me who would be more than happy to chime in with experience.

For example, the more I think about you using a dado for the cuts you want to make the less I'm convinced it's really the best way. Maybe AA will chime in and set me straight, but I'm thinking that some 1.5" aluminum L, 6" x 8' scrap ply and a 1x3 would be a better solution...

1. screw the 1x3 to the ply so that you can lay your pice to cut next to it
2. use a spacer to center the collet where the cut will need to be
3. screw the L to the 1x3 so it becomes a fence for the router to run the cut

It just seems safer to me than dado blades in a saw.

For the record I've done a lot of dado. I'm "comfortable" doing them. Just seems to me that a router with a jig eliminates the most dangerous aspects, provides a lot of flexibility and has a lower cost. than specialty tools. Bits for the router will be the most expensive part.

Neither option is wrong. Well.. AA may suggest that my idea is wrong. I'd go with his opinion.

Build on!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am
by BarraMan
Should I be concerned that I have built a boat, a fairly big one and reasonably complex - but I have absolutely no idea what these blokes are talking about? :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:04 am
by Jaysen
BarraMan wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am Should I be concerned that I have built a boat, a fairly big one and reasonably complex - but I have absolutely no idea what these blokes are talking about? :doh:
No... it should be more of a concern if you did have an idea.

Just for the unfamiliar... eric is making a solid cleat that will sit on top of the stringers/frames vs gluing two pieces to the side of the stringers/frames. To to this easily he needs a groove down the middle of the cleat material (called a rabbit or dado depending on how it runs relative to the wood). There are multiple ways to make these gooves
1. Traditional use of a chisel
2. Traditional use of a special plane iron
3. Use of a router with a rabbiting bit (cutting edges on sides and bottom)
4. Use of a table saw with a dado blade (looks like a stack of saw blades)

I was describing a fence to allow #3 to be done.

Hopefully that adds enough confusion to justify a couple more drinks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:55 am
by Eric1
Here is a drawing of what I'm doing. The dowels will allow me to set the variable on the depth.

Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:03 am
by Jaysen
That's a great plan. have you thought about setting the dowles, then pulling the cleat off, fill with thickened epoxy and using a veneer sheet to "level" thickened epoxy? That would make sure you have no voids in the deeper sections.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:09 am
by wegcagle
Personally (because I don’t have dado blade on my home set up) I would use a router. It certainly takes longer to trace out the line by hand, clamp, cut, reclamp, etc, but it works when expensive machinery isn’t in the budget :lol:

Will

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:10 am
by Eric1
Yep, That the approach.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:11 am
by Eric1
wegcagle wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:09 am Personally (because I don’t have dado blade on my home set up) I would use a router. It certainly takes longer to trace out the line by hand, clamp, cut, reclamp, etc, but it works when expensive machinery isn’t in the budget :lol:

Will
I'm with you but the blades are bought already.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:14 am
by wegcagle
Oh, I should also mention that on Jaysen’s scale of woodworking skills I’m at the level of homehack striving to become Richard in my next life :lol:

Sounds like you’ve got a solid plan Eric!

Will

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:25 am
by Jaysen
in my defense, I did make a pile of "artsy" furniture for pay at one point. But that was long ago and now I'm more focused on simple, functiona, no power tools. Because I'm stupid like that. Tony (terrulian) and I have been having discourse on old school rip saws via book-to-the-face. there's just something about the slowing down of the process that appeals to me of late.

Eric, have you used a dado before? They aren't difficult to use but you may want to think about the how to process the prices a bit. I know these will all be hidden so "good cut" is relative. When i was making a pile of cuts I would process all the "same cut" pieces at the same time. I'd limit the dado to 1/8" cutting depth reserving the the last 1/32" for last pass. For your 1" deep cut I'd make 8 passes. Set saw at 1/8" then run ALL the pieces through. Raise to 1/4" run them through. That resulted in clean, easy to control cuts. In oak or maple or walnut. You may be able to make deeper cuts in your wood if it's softer. I'd be very careful going more than 3/8" at a pass though if you aren't using a power feed.

Also make sure you feed a bit slow if you are taking a deep pass.

Exciting times!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:28 am
by Eric1
I did a test cut of 1/2 × 1/2. I ran slowly and it did fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:33 am
by OrangeQuest
Easiest way would be dado all at the same depth and then use a taper rig on the table saw to level the height of the cleats that need to be at different heights.

You want your cleats to have the same area on the stringer/frame for a gluing surface correct?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:35 am
by Eric1
Waiting on fence wheels to hold lumber down.

Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:50 am
by fallguy1000
The Rockler router table uses 3 featherboards for such an operation.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:22 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:28 am I did a test cut of 1/2 × 1/2. I ran slowly and it did fine.
Great.
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:50 am The Rockler router table uses 3 featherboards for such an operation.
yeah. You need to keep that SOB on the fence before, during and after cut. same with downward pressure.

looks like you're using the 8 tooth sindie cutters. that will make it easier to cut deep and move things along.

I'm sure you've got this covered. Lots of photos please.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:55 am
by fallguy1000
Why do you run the fence on the left side?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:08 am
by narfi
For variable depth I just overfilled the groove with woodflour thickened epoxy and installed them over the bulkheads and stringers clamped straight edges over the tops and pushed down till everything was flush and level. Then use your preferred method of pulling fillets to remove the excess squeeze out glue (not critical as it's not visible ever)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:19 am
by fallguy1000
narfi wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:08 am For variable depth I just overfilled the groove with woodflour thickened epoxy and installed them over the bulkheads and stringers clamped straight edges over the tops and pushed down till everything was flush and level. Then use your preferred method of pulling fillets to remove the excess squeeze out glue (not critical as it's not visible ever)
You and me would agree, but my brother has a degree in precision precision.

He looked at my project and said he could never finish it.

Eric is a precision guy, so he'll do it more precise.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:55 pm
by Fuzz
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:55 am Why do you run the fence on the left side?
My thought is Eric is left handed :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:45 pm
by Eric1
I can run it either way. It doesn't matter though. I spent this afternoon making t-nuts for the fence since the ones I ordered were not even close.
No dimensional dwg on Amazon. I get everything in place and run into another problem. The red insert that goes on my saw is only .145" thick. The step from table top to threaded surface is 5mm /.1968" . Of course Porter Cable no longer makes this saw even though it's only 6 years old. So $200.00 up a wild hogs butt for dado and crap for the saw. I'm pretty hot right now. :x

Plan B is now in motion.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:59 pm
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:55 pm
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:55 am Why do you run the fence on the left side?
My thought is Eric is left handed :doh:
So am I and I have never run it that way. All the dimensioning is the other way and the fence goes farther ttr.

Eric is gonna be doing some more machine work it seems.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:00 pm
by fallguy1000
Is Plan B no insert?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:05 pm
by piperdown
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:45 pm I can run it either way. It doesn't matter though. I spent this afternoon making t-nuts for the fence since the ones I ordered were not even close.
No dimensional dwg on Amazon. I get everything in place and run into another problem. The red insert that goes on my saw is only .145" thick. The step from table top to threaded surface is 5mm /.1968" . Of course Porter Cable no longer makes this saw even though it's only 6 years old. So $200.00 up a wild hogs butt for dado and crap for the saw. I'm pretty hot right now. :x

Plan B is now in motion.
Seems to me that with your skills you could make a dado plate? I seem to recall the old school ones were metal anyway.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:14 pm
by Eric1
I can, I just aggravated at the situation. I'm done with bullcrap today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:16 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:14 pm I can, I just aggravated at the situation. I'm done with bullcrap today.
I had a hard day if it is any consilation.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:21 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:16 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:14 pm I can, I just aggravated at the situation. I'm done with bullcrap today.
I had a hard day if it is any consilation.
Sorry buddy. Step away, breath, have an adult beverage etc. Some day just turn out this way. Did I say days... I meant months, err.. years . You get the picture.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:35 pm
by Jaysen
So what about slipping a shim under the insert where the table tabs are? I always put a couple “set screw” adjustments in my inserts to make up for just that issue. Have and think you can put in there to make it adjustable?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:58 pm
by fallguy1000
Jaysen wrote: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:35 pm So what about slipping a shim under the insert where the table tabs are? I always put a couple “set screw” adjustments in my inserts to make up for just that issue. Have and think you can put in there to make it adjustable?
Isn't it too big already?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:20 pm
by Jaysen
Guess I read it backwards.

I’ve made inserts from cutting boards and old plywood. Just use a planner to cut down to needed thickness.

Eric probably has it all worked out and 4848593 of them made already ;)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
There is about a dozen ways to cut a variable depth dado or routed slot in a piece of lumber.

If you are milling somewhat short pieces and the outfeed table on your saw is exactly the same height as your saw table, tack a shim on one end of the workpiece to raise one end the lumber above the working surface. The issue with this method is the lumber has to be very straight and shorter than the surface of your saw setup. Works good though if you select some decent pieces of wood. The tacked on shim is nothing more than a temporary hot glued shim that is the correct thickness. This method would work nice with your dado set and feather board. I don’t personally often use hold down setups, although the hold down setup will work great for a uniform depth dado. On a long board that is shimmed the hold down wheel can affect the depth of the cut.

Another method is to screw down the lumber to be routed and build a jig to ramp a handheld router downhill while using a template guide. This works very good and is extremely accurate. I should shoot a video or something on how this works with a handheld router.

You can also taper the substrate lumber linearly and cut a uniform depth dado on a table saw or router with a guide fence.

Shimming a uniform depth dado with dowels will also work perfectly IMHO.
Use plenty of wood flour epoxy mix and scree off the drips.

Barraman, the stringer caps are what us crazy blokes in the US are talking about. Fuzz started this, lol. Stringer caps...

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:00 pm
by Fuzz
That is some amazing precise and neat work right there :!: There are experts and then there are EXPERTS :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:01 pm
by Jeff
Just nice AA!!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:32 am
by Fuzz
Well unless I am mistaken you had a pretty good today Eric. Your Tigers sure laid a whipping on Alabama.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:12 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:32 am Well unless I am mistaken you had a pretty good today Eric. Your Tigers sure laid a whipping on Alabama.
The only thing wrong with the game was the day! I'm tired this morning!!!
Wish they'd moved this to Saturday. I've been predicting this outcome since I watched Georgia whip on Bama this year.
Then Oklahoma run up a bunch of points too?!! I knew my Tigers had this!!! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:38 pm
by piperdown
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:12 am
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:32 am Well unless I am mistaken you had a pretty good today Eric. Your Tigers sure laid a whipping on Alabama.
The only thing wrong with the game was the day! I'm tired this morning!!!
Wish they'd moved this to Saturday. I've been predicting this outcome since I watched Georgia whip on Bama this year.
Then Oklahoma run up a bunch of points too?!! I knew my Tigers had this!!! :D :D :D
Ugh, I am tired too from watching the game. I would have been better on a Saturday night.
Within the 1st quarter I turned to my wife and said "Clemson came to PLAY!". :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:28 pm
by TomW1
Eric the Tigers had a great game. When it started Deb said she didn't care who won as Alabama lost. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:28 pm
by flyfishingmonk
The boat is looking good!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:09 pm
by Eric1
flyfishingmonk wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:28 pm The boat is looking good!

Casey
Thanks Casey!

Back to my original plan. I bought a bunch of 1 x 2 x 8' grade 1 dimensional lumber to make my cleats.
I still plan to correct my table saw. I have ordered a stick of 6061 to make the insert but I'm in no hurry.

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All of the frame cleats have been cut to length and labelled.

Image

I needed a small bench sander to work with so I made a trip to Harbor freight.

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I'm waiting on my brother to finish putting the backs on the new chairs for church before I turn the shop dusty again.
New smoker, just because I wanted one. This is the current situation.... 8)

Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:41 pm
by narfi
hehe, a stack of 8' lumber next to your boat looks a lot different than a stack of 8' lumber stacked next to mine :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:45 pm
by OrangeQuest
All of it is looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:04 pm
by danieloldhouse
Wow Eric, when are you goin' to splash it? 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:14 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:41 pm hehe, a stack of 8' lumber next to your boat looks a lot different than a stack of 8' lumber stacked next to mine :)
There is no doubt, this is a big boat. It still surprises me sometime. :lol:
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:45 pm All of it is looking good!
Thank you Big Orange! :D
danieloldhouse wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:04 pm Wow Eric, when are you goin' to splash it? 8)
Daniel I have learned not to set a timeline. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:46 pm
by Dutch1
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:14 pm Daniel I have learned not to set a timeline. :lol:
Oh man, tell me about it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:49 pm
by Fuzz
Does this mean you are happy you did not scale it up 10% :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:51 pm
by Eric1
Most definitely! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:01 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Boat looks great as usual. The smoker looks fantastic. What did you smoke first? Any favorites?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:27 am
by Bogieman
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:33 am
by Browndog
Looking good Eric, the boat and the new smoker. Really glad to see you back at it.

Unfortunately, all of my projects have come with a deadline. The current one has really got me worried about whether I’ll make it or not.

Headed to Harbor Fieght tomorrow to get a new random orbital sander as I somehow nicked the power cord and cut one of the wires.

Looking forward to the next phase of your project.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:39 am
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:01 am Boat looks great as usual. The smoker looks fantastic. What did you smoke first? Any favorites?
I'm working on new recipes since ribs and pork are a no go for me.
I did Pollo Asado yesterday.

Marinade:
2 tsp of Mexican oregano, cumin,smoked paprika.
1 tsp of chili powder
1/2 tsp of kosher salt and black pepper
enough extra virgin olive oil to form a paste.
Add 6 cloves of chopped garlic
1/2 cup of orange juice
juice from one lemon and one lime. You can add the zest if you like, I find it a bit strong for grilling.
1 palm full of chopped cilantro.
Cover chicken, place in ziploc bag. Let set in fridge for 12-24 hours.


I did a double batch of marinade for 6 large breasts. If you use skinless breasts like I did spray them a couple of time with EVOO to keep them from drying out. Smoked with hickory and apple for 2 hours then cranked the heat up to 400 and cooked until I hit 160 internal.
165 is the safe temp but the bird keeps cooking for a few minutes after pulling. I served it with some spanish rice and tortillas.

Image

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:40 am
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:33 am Looking good Eric, the boat and the new smoker. Really glad to see you back at it.

Unfortunately, all of my projects have come with a deadline. The current one has really got me worried about whether I’ll make it or not.

Headed to Harbor Fieght tomorrow to get a new random orbital sander as I somehow nicked the power cord and cut one of the wires.

Looking forward to the next phase of your project.
Best Wishes!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:33 am
by Jeff
Nice looking smoker Eric!!! And the food looks great as well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:34 am
by Jeff
Nice looking smoker Eric!!! And the food looks great as well!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:37 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:34 am Nice looking smoker Eric!!! And the food looks great as well!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:18 am
by ctbeutel
narfi wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:41 pm hehe, a stack of 8' lumber next to your boat looks a lot different than a stack of 8' lumber stacked next to mine :)
I agree with Narfi, 8' feet of lumber never looked so small. The scale of the boat definitely gets lost time to time in the pictures. Glad to see you back at it Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:24 am
by Eric1
ctbeutel wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:18 am
narfi wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:41 pm hehe, a stack of 8' lumber next to your boat looks a lot different than a stack of 8' lumber stacked next to mine :)
I agree with Narfi, 8' feet of lumber never looked so small. The scale of the boat definitely gets lost time to time in the pictures. Glad to see you back at it Eric!
Thanks CT!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:00 pm
by TomW1
Eric that is one nice grill. Looks like a pellet grill. Nice marinade. Those 8 foot pieces look like kindling next to the boat. :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:05 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:00 pm Eric that is one nice grill. Looks like a pellet grill. Nice marinade. Those 8 foot pieces look like kindling next to the boat. :lol:

Tom
It is Tom. It's a Pit Boss. I had to have one after seeing how well it smoked at my inlaws!
People can't believe how big this 21 foot boat is until they see it. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:56 pm
by BB Sig
Eric,

You are making me miss my time in Yuma, AZ. Great times with great food!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:07 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
My mouth is watering looking at those pictures. Going to pass the recipe to my wife as I never pay attention during kitchen orientation and apparently make a mess :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:33 pm
by Bogieman
Oh myyyyyy!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:17 am
by pee wee
Nice to see the boat coming along, looking great!

My first thought on the chicken smoking to keep things moist was "you ought to brine the chicken first", then I remembered something about cutting back on the salt in your diet, oops . . .
I remember when my dad was put on a salt free diet my mom just left salt out of all the food she prepared; it took a while, but we all got used to it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:36 am
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:17 am Nice to see the boat coming along, looking great!

My first thought on the chicken smoking to keep things moist was "you ought to brine the chicken first", then I remembered something about cutting back on the salt in your diet, oops . . .
I remember when my dad was put on a salt free diet my mom just left salt out of all the food she prepared; it took a while, but we all got used to it.
That's the way I used to prep my turkeys for the smoker. It works great! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:37 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:36 am
pee wee wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:17 am Nice to see the boat coming along, looking great!

My first thought on the chicken smoking to keep things moist was "you ought to brine the chicken first", then I remembered something about cutting back on the salt in your diet, oops . . .
I remember when my dad was put on a salt free diet my mom just left salt out of all the food she prepared; it took a while, but we all got used to it.
That's the way I used to prep my turkeys for the smoker. It works great! :)
Just be careful on what type of turkey you get. Don't brine Honeysuckle White or Butterball and store brands as they are already preinjected with a solution of various combinations of brines, up to 10-15% by weight. Make sure you get a fresh turkey if you want to do your own brine more expensive but you control what you brine the bird with.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:21 pm
by OrangeQuest
It is surprising how much salt changes the way food tastes. Eric can you eat pork tenderloin? Very lean meat and less of all the bad stuff than red meat or chicken.

Besides you will get bored eating chicken all the time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:33 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:21 pm It is surprising how much salt changes the way food tastes. Eric can you eat pork tenderloin? Very lean meat and less of all the bad stuff than red meat or chicken.

Besides you will get bored eating chicken all the time.
You must be reading my mind! I have one in the freezer. I plan to thaw it and roast it on the grill!! 8)
Oh, Yes I'm bored to death of chicken!! Tonight I'm making salmon patties with cauliflower "mash" and peas.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:22 pm
by TomW1
Eric I use cherry wood when I smoke my turkey's adds a delicous flavor. Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:39 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:22 pm Eric I use cherry wood when I smoke my turkey's adds a delicous flavor. Tom
Cherry is good! Have you tried apple? I mix apple and pecan for my birds because I use an apple brine for them.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:24 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:39 pm
TomW1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:22 pm Eric I use cherry wood when I smoke my turkey's adds a delicous flavor. Tom
Cherry is good! Have you tried apple? I mix apple and pecan for my birds because I use an apple brine for them.

Sure have finally settled on cherry, it gives a nice sweet meat. You might try all apple. Pecan is the mild relative of hickory. Again be careful when you brine as anything but a fresh turkey if you buy it at the grocery store is already injected with a brine solution. Read the label carefully. Also I always keep a pan of water on grill for moisture so I don't have to baste. You could use apple juice or cider. Keep the lid closed. Get a two way thermostat on for the meat one for the grill temp. The best is the Themoworks Smoke 2 Channel, I use the Themopro TP20. I will get the Thermoworks when the Thermopro dies. Thermoworks also has some of the best instant read thermometers made

I smoke my turkeys at 275-300 takes about 3.5 hours at this temp for a 16lb bird. I have been doing 2 a year for 20 years now so have it down now. Was pretty much trial and error at first. :lol: Take them off when the breast is 160 and the thigh is 165 they will go up 10 degrees over a 1/2 hour resting time. I have rested them an hour and they are still warm.

Can you give us and idea of your restrictions of your diet I have a lot of marinades and rubs that don't include salt or are very low salt. There are very lean cuts of beef, lamb, goat which can be made delicious. No need to stick to chicken and turkey and fish. That will get awfully boring. 8O It is all in how it is prepared. Have been there with my dad and father-in-law. It also involves portion control.

Good luck on your bird :!:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:06 pm
by OrangeQuest
Tom you didn't see all the wires hanging out of Eric's smoker? Thing looks like a patient in the hospital after open heart surgery! 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:12 pm
by TomW1
OQ I am familiar with Eric's smoker. The wires are there for a purpose auger control mainly and fire control. There is only a temperature gauge on the hood so you don't really know what is going on inside the smoker. Thus the need for a two step thermometer.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:19 pm
by Eric1
Agreed, The hood thermometer is just decorative.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:09 pm
by piperdown
TomW1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:24 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:39 pm
TomW1 wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:22 pm Eric I use cherry wood when I smoke my turkey's adds a delicous flavor. Tom
Cherry is good! Have you tried apple? I mix apple and pecan for my birds because I use an apple brine for them.

lamb

Tom
You had me at lamb. A smoked and grilled leg of lamb....mmm, mmm!
I like to chop rosemary and garlic into almost a paste, cut slits (pockets) all over and stuff the garlic and rosemary paste in there. Then a marinade with a mild red wine in a zip lock bag and in the fridge for 24 hrs. For lamb that is.

Killing me living in KS where all the lamb is from NZ or Australia. It's super expensive. But when I travel back to home state Idaho I can get it cheap. Huge Basque population and they still have traveling sheep flocks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:43 pm
by fallguy1000
Cherry and always a dual thermometer setup. That is, two. Ever since I had one fail and lost 10 fish due to the error.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:47 pm
by OrangeQuest
And I though the one wire in the back was for a heating element and all the other wires temperature probe wires. Shows what I know about fancy cooking. So how do you guys cook outdoors away from all the electronics?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:12 am
by Capt UB
Too early to be reading about Smoking fish and meat!!!

I'm eating smoked bread (toaster not working right) with jam!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:13 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:47 pm And I though the one wire in the back was for a heating element and all the other wires temperature probe wires. Shows what I know about fancy cooking. So how do you guys cook outdoors away from all the electronics?
Depends on the meat. Pork shoulder and butts are cooked until the bone will pull out. Chicken until the juice runs clear, etc.
I think you pretty much have to have a meat thermometer to do well. Nothing fancy is needed though.
That said, I have an Igrill set with 4 probes because it will connect to my phone and I can watch tv while it monitors for me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:53 am
by Eric1
I spent this morning fitting the frame cleats. The ones on the transom have a 13 degree ripped bevel to match the transom.
The corners were fitting by transferring the angles and then radii were sanded to match the corner fillets.
It was easy to do, just took time to get them all done. I had to stop to clean up a self inflicted wound.
I found out how fast a table sander with 80 grit will grind the flesh off the knuckle of your thumb. :lol:

Image

Where the penciled arrow is I plan to fit a piece of 2 x 4. Jacques extends the frame here.
I decided not to because I felt glassing such a small piece would be difficult.
I think fitting a solid piece will be easier for me.

Image

I may do the hot glue trick to "set" these, I may screw them in place. I have not decided which technique I'll do.

Have a great weekend Y'all. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:07 pm
by Jaysen
I bet your answer matches mine... -1 second. Seems like the skin disappears before you even touch the belt!

I like screws. Mostly because a HGG is only slightly below the SOB tool as my least favorite device. Smart people tend to do the opposite of what I do though. I’m sure either way you’ll continue with the exceptional craftsmanship.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:07 pm I bet your answer matches mine... -1 second. Seems like the skin disappears before you even touch the belt!

I like screws. Mostly because a HGG is only slightly below the SOB tool as my least favorite device. Smart people tend to do the opposite of what I do though. I’m sure either way you’ll continue with the exceptional craftsmanship.
You would be surprised, I'm leaning toward screws. I think I will have more control using screws.
I don't like the idea of being rushed before the hot glue becomes cold glue either.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:22 pm
by Capt UB
Looking really nice Eric!
Someone here told me to use course drywall screws. I just did on the transom and some of the frames/molds. They were every easy to screw in and out without tearing the ply apart. Don't know how well they would work on lumber.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:47 pm
by cvincent
Looking very good Eric. I used a couple dabs of hot glue to hold my cleats in place. You do have to move quickly before the hot glue sets up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:03 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Ouch on the sander! What kind of wood are you using on the cleats?

Things look great!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:07 pm
by Eric1
flyfishingmonk wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:03 pm Ouch on the sander! What kind of wood are you using on the cleats?

Things look great!

Casey
Thanks Casey,
It's pine. The label says it's from New Zealand.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:30 pm
by Jaysen
Capt UB wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:22 pm Looking really nice Eric!
Someone here told me to use course drywall screws. I just did on the transom and some of the frames/molds. They were every easy to screw in and out without tearing the ply apart. Don't know how well they would work on lumber.
course works well. I took to predrilling to help prevent gapping and to ensure alignment. a little 1/32 or something was enough. Basically did it like a rubrail (somewhere between my sloppy one and your CNC engineer method :))

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:37 pm
by OrangeQuest
Everything looks like it is coming together and looking good.
Sorry to hear you using your thumb to test the grit of your sander. 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:39 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:37 pm Everything looks like it is coming together and looking good.
Sorry to hear you using your thumb to test the grit of your sander. 8O
I had to laugh at the timing. I had one more board to go!! :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
I had something like that happen when I put my first flapper disc on my grinder. Trimmed my nail and then some. The bench sander id something I really need to get, right after a table saw. You like the HF model?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:24 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:17 pm I had something like that happen when I put my first flapper disc on my grinder. Trimmed my nail and then some. The bench sander id something I really need to get, right after a table saw. You like the HF model?
Truth..Its a cheap tool. I just didn't want to dump bigger money in a sander I'll seldom use.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:56 am
by OrangeQuest
I can't see spending much more than what the HF costs for one. As long as the motor is strong enough to maintain rpm on heavy stock and the table holds it's position, not much else you could expect from one. Well, other than something to keep the knuckles away from the moving parts. :wink:
As many cleats you had to touch up I bet you got your money's worth out of it already! To do the same thing I have been using a portable belt sander turned on it's side, clamped in my wood vise and a spring clamp holding the trigger on. 8O

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:58 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, boat looks great as usual. Thumb as a belt cleaner, not so much. I used screws on my cleats to give me more working time just as you said and also they can’t slip as I’ve had with hot glue. I found that drywall screws can sometimes stick in the epoxy and I even had a couple break when I tried to remove them. Decking screws don’t stick because of the coating that’s designed to resist the anti rotting treatment of the wood doesn’t like epoxy but they are all quite big. I eventually found that drywall screws with a dab of finishing wax on the treads as a release agent works great. I use just the tiniest dab from the end of my non sanding belt finger so as not to contaminate the ply with too much. I use this all the time now and it only leaves a tiny little hole afterwards.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:26 am
by pee wee
cvincent wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:47 pm Looking very good Eric. I used a couple dabs of hot glue to hold my cleats in place. You do have to move quickly before the hot glue sets up.
If you get into the larger size of hot glue sticks (5/8" and above) you have lots of choices for open time, final strength, permanent or temporary bond, etc., but you won't find that at the big box stores.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:39 am
by piperdown
I used these types of screws to hold my boards in place:

https://www.amazon.com/Grip-Rite-Prime- ... 7858&psc=1

They have a coating on them and are coarse like a drywall screw. I was getting about 5-6 uses out of each before the epoxy was starting to grab. Plus, I like the star head better than a Phillips head. I got mine at HD but it looks like Lowes has them too. For some odd reason I couldn't find them online at HD but just saw them in the store last week when I was grabbing some other stuff for the house.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:57 pm
by Eric1
Good tips on the screws. Thanks Guys!! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:40 pm
by bartmatthijs
Hi Eric,

I am also building a C21 in my garden.
Great blog you are having.
Know I am following you and it is a great help for me !

Thanks,

Bart

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:26 pm
by Eric1
Thank you Bart! Your build is looking good!!! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:17 am
by OrangeQuest
Nice to see you post Eric! Hope things are well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:19 am
by Eric1
I've got busy with shop work. Everything is ok. Just no time for the build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:32 am
by Jaysen
Much better than last time here was extended absence!

Glad to hear business is busy. Don’t hesitate to show off more of the shiny parts you’re making.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:57 am
by Capt UB
bartmatthijs wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:40 pm Hi Eric,

I am also building a C21 in my garden.
Great blog you are having.
Know I am following you and it is a great help for me !

Thanks,

Bart

Now that's a builders tent.... Windows!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:59 am
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:19 am I've got busy with shop work. Everything is ok. Just no time for the build.

There is always time to build later.. Good to see your company is busy and you are doing well.
Bob

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:32 am
by OrangeQuest
Some times it sucks when work gets in the way of the fun stuff but happy your shop is busy making money. Like Capt. UB said, the build can wait.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:00 am
by danieloldhouse
Good to hear delay is due to the work, better too much of it :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:51 pm
by TomW1
Wow Bart it looks like you have a bunch of solar panels on your roof. The C21 is very efficient compared to other boats in her size range. Why don't you set up your own build site, obviously you have pictures to share.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:29 am
by Eric1
I just wanted to say hello to everyone. I am fine , just very busy in the shop. I've taken on some new customers and that has me busy with new programs and processes. I look forward to getting back to my build but I have to pay the bills first. Sorry I have not commented on the forum. I'm just to busy to look as of late.

Peace,Love and Happiness

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:19 am
by Jaysen
Thanks for checking in!

Build on! (Which has many meaning for you)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:20 pm
by Fuzz
Good to hear from you Eric :!: Glad to know it is just that nasty old work that is slowing down the boat sanding. You know we all miss our sanding lessons :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:14 am
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Eric! You've earned this one. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:51 am
by OrangeQuest
Good to hear you are still busy with work. Hope you take time to relax and unwind.
Happy birthday!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:58 am
by Jeff
Happy Birthday Eric!! I hope you have some time today/tonight to enjoy it!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:06 am
by seaslug
Happy Birthday Eric!! I look forward to following your beautiful build in the coming year. Just think about how much fun you'll have sanding between now and your next birthday. Stay well my friend. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:28 am
by Capt UB
Erik sends his best wishes on your birthday.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:47 am
by Eric1
I just walked in my office to grab a coffee and saw all of these.
Thank you Everyone for the well wishes. :D :D :D
Made my morning!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:54 am
by Jaysen
congratulation on completing the last solar orbit.

May your next orbit find you in good health and surrounded by those that bring you happiness.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:56 am
by Bogieman
Happy birthday Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:01 pm
by BB Sig
Happy birthday Eric. Have a blessed day!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:32 pm
by dalnilo
Happy birthday Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:18 pm
by TomW1
Happy B-day bud. And may you have many more.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:36 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Happy Birthday!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:55 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Happy Birthday sir! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:36 am
by fallguy1000
any time for boat work?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:15 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:36 am any time for boat work?
None :( Cranking out parts on the shop floor going home wore out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:37 am
by Jeff
Good to hear from you and glad business is good!!! Always a nice start to the year!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:44 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:15 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:36 am any time for boat work?
None :( Cranking out parts on the shop floor going home wore out.
That is good and bad news. Good you are busy but bad no time for you to relax.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:45 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:44 am
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:15 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:36 am any time for boat work?
None :( Cranking out parts on the shop floor going home wore out.
That is good and bad news. Good you are busy but bad no time for you to relax.
I'm thankful for the work but I'm exhausted.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:02 am
by OrangeQuest
Just don't stress out to much, find time to just clear your head. If nothing more than a few deep breathes. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:15 am
by fallguy1000
Back in the late 90s, I started burning the candle on two ends and I got bronchitis 6 times in two years.

A man needs rest.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:56 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:02 am Just don't stress out to much, find time to just clear your head. If nothing more than a few deep breathes. :)
I do. I enjoy cooking with my girls and I've been taking it easy on the weekends.
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:15 am Back in the late 90s, I started burning the candle on two ends and I got bronchitis 6 times in two years.

A man needs rest.


FallGuy, I've been in this feast or famine business over thirty years and I've been burning both sides about as long .
Could explain my heart attack.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:26 pm
by dalnilo
Happy birthday Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:29 pm
by Eric1
Thank you my friend. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:23 pm
by TomW1
duplicate.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:29 pm
by TomW1
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:45 am
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:44 am
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:15 am

None :( Cranking out parts on the shop floor going home wore out.
That is good and bad news. Good you are busy but bad no time for you to relax.
I'm thankful for the work but I'm exhausted.
Well take it as easy as you can

No relaspes now.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:03 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:53 am I spent this morning fitting the frame cleats. The ones on the transom have a 13 degree ripped bevel to match the transom.
The corners were fitting by transferring the angles and then radii were sanded to match the corner fillets.
It was easy to do, just took time to get them all done. I had to stop to clean up a self inflicted wound.
I found out how fast a table sander with 80 grit will grind the flesh off the knuckle of your thumb. :lol:

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Where the penciled arrow is I plan to fit a piece of 2 x 4. Jacques extends the frame here.
I decided not to because I felt glassing such a small piece would be difficult.
I think fitting a solid piece will be easier for me.

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I may do the hot glue trick to "set" these, I may screw them in place. I have not decided which technique I'll do.

Have a great weekend Y'all. :D
Almost no more stress on the ankles 8) 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:19 pm
by Bogieman
I glued then screwed. Removed the screws later on. It was fast and worked great.


The boat looks really nice

Bogie

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:47 am
by Eric1
Wow, I can't believe it's been two months since I have done any boat work.
Machine shop projects picked up with new work and that had me pretty busy.
I hope to get a little further along before trout season opens up in April.
Here is this mornings work.

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It's pouring rain here (again). I hope to get a second coat on these today but I may drive over to Cabelas.
There are a couple of reels I'd like to have and I need put fresh line on a couple of others.
Y'all have a good weekend. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:32 am
by Jeff
Good to hear from you!! Glad you are well and your shop is busy!!! Have a good weekend, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:11 am
by OrangeQuest
Nice to see you are looking at your boat! Hope you try to relax and take the WHOLE weekend to think about fishing, boat building and more fishing! Shop does look busy with all the opened boxes every where.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:12 am
by Eric1
Thanks ya'll!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:14 am
by piperdown
May have had to put the boat on the back burner but it's great you've been busy with new work for the shop! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:36 pm
by Eric1
Hi Everyone,
I've been busy in the shop again so boat work slowed down.
I came in and ran the saw for a couple of hours then started boat work.
It took me a little while to place first cleat. I checked every frame from that with my Big Johnson (orange level).
All of these are screwed in place and ready for glue.
I would get some more done today but I am getting ready for a day trip tomorrow.
I'm taking my girls to the Walhalla trout hatchery and then we're gonna check out some of South Carolina's trout fishing.
That's about and hour and a half from home but the drive is nice.

Here is where I stopped today.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:48 pm
by OrangeQuest
ERIC!!! Great seeing a post from you! I know you said you was busy with work so didn't want to bother you. Was wondering though, you and Narfi is also MIA.

Have a great trip and weekend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:51 pm
by Capt UB
Great looking job.
And you thought it would be hard... :wink:

Hope you catch dinner too!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:40 pm
by Jaysen
you said Big Johnson...

And no... I don't plan on growing up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:24 pm
by BB Sig
Good to see you back at it! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:35 pm
by Fuzz
Glad to see you back at it. Been wondering what you were up to.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:34 pm
by Eric1
Thanks everyone. I'm trying to get back to the boat when I can.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:38 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:36 pm Hi Everyone,
I've been busy in the shop again so boat work slowed down.
I came in and ran the saw for a couple of hours then started boat work.
It took me a little while to place first cleat. I checked every frame from that with my Big Johnson (orange level).
All of these are screwed in place and ready for glue.
I would get some more done today but I am getting ready for a day trip tomorrow.
I'm taking my girls to the Walhalla trout hatchery and then we're gonna check out some of South Carolina's trout fishing.
That's about and hour and a half from home but the drive is nice.

Here is where I stopped today.

Image

Image
Gotta enjoy looking at that! Thanks for sharing.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:24 am
by Eric1
Hello everyone,

It is with great sadness I have to tell y'all this. Two weeks back our largest customer, 98% of what we do, came in without notice to tell us
How much they love our quality and delivery. However we are no longer a vendor for them. All of the parts I make are being imported for .40 cent on the dollar. I can't compete with that. The directer of purchasing is from Slovenia, Guess where they are importing from...Slovenia.
We are a production machine shop, We run larger numbers. I can't stay open making 5-10 parts. I've tried calling many contacts for work but so far nothing has come in. I have a couple of promises of prints I can quote but I have not seen anything. As it stands, We are making preparations to close the business.
Beyond all of this the hospital is planning to go to collections for the 51k+ they have billed me. I have been paying them $300. a month but they want $895 a month. I can't pay that. The cash payoff is $38,836.
I am stressed to the nth degree and I can't take this anymore.
I am going to have to sell the boat and supplies I have. Once I have a figure of what I've have I'll post it for sell. I thank you all for the advice and fun we've shared here. God Bless you All.

Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:31 am
by Browndog
Sorry to hear of your business set-back. Sounds fishy to me, and not right. I’m sure somehow it’ll all work out. You’ll be in my thoughts until then.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:42 am
by Jeff
Eric, so sorry to hear of the terrible news for you and your business. I know it was a hard conversation for you when we talked this morning!! You guys will be in our thoughts!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:44 am
by OrangeQuest
So very sorry Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:15 am
by pee wee
Ouch!! Bad as it may be, you'll get through it. There may even be a silver lining, who knows?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:10 am
by BB Sig
Sorry to hear this news. :( Prayers will be sent.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:14 am
by Capt UB
Eric,

Checkout Defence Contractors in your area. They do a lot of outsourcing. I work for www.Sparton.com , we are a Defence Contractor and have shops make things for us. Can't say much more. 8)

https://www.governmentcontractswon.com/ ... rolina.asp

Good luck.
Bob.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:38 pm
by narfi
Hey Eric, we will be praying for you and your family!

Please let me know if there is anything a stranger from 4000 miles away can do to help or encourage you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:14 pm
by Fuzz
Just like all the others this makes me sad. But I really hate it for you and what it means. We are all hoping a major change in fortune comes your way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 pm
by TomW1
Eric my prayers are with you and your family. You are one of the good ones and It was a privilege to meet you. I will pray that you can find a machinist job to support your family down there maybe with BMW or one of there suppliers. I just don't know what the prospects are? Good luck with everything you have going on.

My best, Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:03 pm
by piperdown
Thoughts and prayers from one Eric to another!
Please check Capt Bob's post about Defense stuff. A lot of that stuff is not easy to pass specs on but I bet you wouldn't have any issues.
Hang tight and know that God has his reasons even if we don't always understand.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:13 pm
by glossieblack
So sorry to hear this news Eric. Sometimes life just isn't fair. You've got through worse than this recently, you'll get through this. Michael.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:00 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:24 am Hello everyone,

It is with great sadness I have to tell y'all this. Two weeks back our largest customer, 98% of what we do, came in without notice to tell us
How much they love our quality and delivery. However we are no longer a vendor for them. All of the parts I make are being imported for .40 cent on the dollar. I can't compete with that. The directer of purchasing is from Slovenia, Guess where they are importing from...Slovenia.
We are a production machine shop, We run larger numbers. I can't stay open making 5-10 parts. I've tried calling many contacts for work but so far nothing has come in. I have a couple of promises of prints I can quote but I have not seen anything. As it stands, We are making preparations to close the business.
Beyond all of this the hospital is planning to go to collections for the 51k+ they have billed me. I have been paying them $300. a month but they want $895 a month. I can't pay that. The cash payoff is $38,836.
I am stressed to the nth degree and I can't take this anymore.
I am going to have to sell the boat and supplies I have. Once I have a figure of what I've have I'll post it for sell. I thank you all for the advice and fun we've shared here. God Bless you All.

Eric
That sucks man. Stress is no fun brother.

Don't let a bill collector take you out of the world.

Many small businesses face the going concern problem of having a singular large customer. It is considered a risk. Diversifying has become very difficult due to our manufacturing going overseas or to Mexico. The only easy answer isn't.

Best of luck searching for a new gig.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:08 am
by blueflood
Hi Eric,

So sorry to hear about this. Having been self-employed for many years fabricating engineering scale models, finding clients was the most exhausting and difficult aspect next to quoting a cost - and practically zip vacation time in 12 years. On the up-side, there was no better satisfaction owning / operating a small business. It was the best life experience.

I hope things work out, brother. Selling your boat at this stage is the ultimate insult to all this :roll: :help:

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:50 pm
by GuyP
Hate to see you go. I’m a novice and get notifications when there’s activity on “Eric’s C21”. Have learned a lot from your thread and will continue to reference it. Good luck 😉

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:05 am
by dalnilo
eric, i'm a small artisan like you, i understand you and i'm so sorry for what's happening to you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:20 am
by danieloldhouse
Eric I'm a self employed too and I know well what's happening to you, the only thing I can say is don't loose faith, the Lord knows who are he's and you're one of those that's sure.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 4:42 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Oh man I wish there was a way you could hang on to the boat as a stress relief, and not let the bill collectors take the joy and that great project.

I'll pray the new job comes along quickly.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:28 pm
by mike smith
Your project looks like first class work. It's sad to hear that you are considering sell it out. I hope that you find a way to keep your dream alive.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:30 am
by glossieblack
How goes it Eric?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:36 am
by flyfishingmonk
Yes, catch us up.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:54 pm
by Eric1
Hi Guys,

There has been no progress on the build. I'm running the last few parts I have orders for. The building and property is sold with a 95% certainty.
The new owner wants to use the building for storage and told me I could finish my boat on site. That said she has already asked via my brother and his wife how long I'll need. You never know a person's true nature until they believe they have power over you. All of our machines are listed with a broker for sell. I hope to be able to complete the boat. I priced a 115 Suzuki yesterday at around 12k. I'm thinking I will only put in a single 40 gallon tank and possibly forgo the bracket to cut the cost of my build. I'm just trying to adapt and over come the obstacles in my path.
Worst case I'll put the boat on a trailer and finish it in my back yard. That is not what I hope for as it will present problems for me. Though my hands are directed in my available choices but I shall not be pushed.
I haven't participated on the forum due to my mental state. Perhaps I'll get back if I can start building again.

For now, I remain.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:06 pm
by BB Sig
Thanks for the update. I hate this for you but take heart as He is watching over you.

Psalm 34:17-18

The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles. The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:39 pm
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:06 pm Thanks for the update. I hate this for you but take heart as He is watching over you.

Psalm 34:17-18

The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles. The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
Thanks Brother.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:46 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Be blessed Eric, and keep us posted.

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:27 pm
by piperdown
From one Eric to another...I really, really hope you get to finish the boat. It's not the most important thing but you've put blood, sweat and tears into the build.
It absolutely breaks my heart that your quality small business is liquidation. I read about the subsidies to large corporations and it angers me to no end that small businesses have no fall back position in this country.
I know that your path will be guided and hope that you continue in good health and fellowship.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:45 pm
by OrangeQuest
It is heartbreaking to hear of your continued troubles and thank you for keeping us posted. You and your family will continue in my thoughts and hopes of better days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:23 pm
by TomW1
From Tom to Eric may God bless you and your family. Hope you can finish your C21 and enjoy her. Life is full of trials and tribulations and I know you will fight through this one. I have been through many in my 66 years and feel for you. Best wishes in the coming days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:48 am
by Fuzz
Dito what every one else has said. wish the best for you.
On a side note I miss being able to razz you about sanding :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:34 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:54 pm I hope to be able to complete the boat.
That would be a triumph over adversity. Here's hoping! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:15 am
by Knoxville_Jay
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:54 pm Hi Guys,

There has been no progress on the build. I'm running the last few parts I have orders for. The building and property is sold with a 95% certainty.
The new owner wants to use the building for storage and told me I could finish my boat on site. That said she has already asked via my brother and his wife how long I'll need. You never know a person's true nature until they believe they have power over you. All of our machines are listed with a broker for sell. I hope to be able to complete the boat. I priced a 115 Suzuki yesterday at around 12k. I'm thinking I will only put in a single 40 gallon tank and possibly forgo the bracket to cut the cost of my build. I'm just trying to adapt and over come the obstacles in my path.
Worst case I'll put the boat on a trailer and finish it in my back yard. That is not what I hope for as it will present problems for me. Though my hands are directed in my available choices but I shall not be pushed.
I haven't participated on the forum due to my mental state. Perhaps I'll get back if I can start building again.

For now, I remain.
Adapt, improvise and overcome. We have confidence that you will figure out a way!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
by Jeff
Eric, I hope things swing to your advantage soon. Glad the building is almost sold, that has to be a big relief!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:23 pm
by Salty F17
Gotta keep the boat for yourself

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:12 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, so sorry to hear of your continued problems. It’s very hard to find anything motivational to say that doesn’t sound pathetic in these circumstances. The one true thing I can say is that you have made a lot of friends on this forum and we’re keen to keep in touch. I am sure you’re going to be very busy for a while but post when you can even if you’re not building. Best wishes to you and your family.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:52 am
by fallguy1000
Selling an unfinished boat is not good economics. This is by no means intended to be a shot. Quite the contrary. If you must not sell it; then don't.

It is just so hard for a buyer to value the work.. you tell them I have 5k into materials and that is all they hear.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:16 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:52 am Selling an unfinished boat is not good economics. This is by no means intended to be a shot. Quite the contrary. If you must not sell it; then don't.

It is just so hard for a buyer to value the work.. you tell them I have 5k into materials and that is all they hear.
Truth.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:16 pm
by Knoxville_Jay
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:16 am
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:52 am Selling an unfinished boat is not good economics. This is by no means intended to be a shot. Quite the contrary. If you must not sell it; then don't.

It is just so hard for a buyer to value the work.. you tell them I have 5k into materials and that is all they hear.
Truth.
Agreed!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:26 am
by glossieblack
How goes it Eric?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:31 am
by fallguy1000
Wondering same. Hope things are well.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:29 am
by Jeff
Guys, I have not had a thorough conversation with Eric lately. He has called me a couple of times but had to cut the conversation short due to issues on his side!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am
by narfi
Hope you are doing well Eric! You have friends here :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:55 am
by jacquesmm
Eric has good days and bad ones but I admire the way he handles adversity. Keep going Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:00 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for the interest and kindness. I will post an update when I get home later. Sorry for the brevity.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:28 pm
by Eric1
This is what's going on with me. From last Sunday until today I was not able to walk due to gout setting up in my ankle. I was able to go to the doctor yesterday and get some medication that is chasing it away. prior to that I've spent the last thre weeks selling half of our machines and send our material out for scrap. We now have a pending contract on the land and building as well.
My Brother and I signed a mortgage with our father to pay him back the 600k the company owed him over time. This was to be paid at no interest at 5k per month. When he passed in October we told our sister she needed to start probate for us to be able to make the payment. By law she had thirty days to do so. Well she started probate in may of this year. We didn't find out until we were serve a summons to her lawyers office. She is claiming we are in default because we have not made payment, therefore she feel all of the assets should belong to the estate. My father worded his will that everything was to go to our sister. He did this because he told us she didn't deserve any of the company because she never worked for it. That's why she was to get his house,cars etc. She was given her home by my parents. She has drawn a paycheck for 30 years and never worked a day at the company. Now she wants it all for herself and her troublesome adult children.
There is a great deal more to this but I would be here typing all night.

I'm going to see this through somehow.
We have our own lawyer and intend to fight this until the end.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:38 pm
by Capt UB
Sorry.

I know for me, I took long walks at night with my dog. This helped me through some tough family times.

Best to you.
Bob Wolf

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric,
Great to hear from you but at the same time I’m sorry to hear about the rough time you are going through.
I sure hope you can catch a break soon and things get going your way!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:12 am
by glossieblack
Eric, thanks for the update. You'll get through this. All the best. Michael.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:25 am
by glossieblack
Been a while Eric. How goes it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 am
by Eric1
Hi Glossie,

No major changes. We're still cleaning out the plant. In the past few weeks I got a quote on removing chemical I had on hand. All of which were leftover from my anodizing station. I had 45 gallons of dyes, they wanted $5.98 per pound to dispose of that. Total BullSnap! I boiled it away with a turkey cooker. The landfill didn't want the sulphuric acid, I had to neutralize it with baking soda then mix it with dirt and then they would accept it.

The law suit is still pending from my beloved sister. No further comment.

I still have nine machines for sell. They are moving slow at this point.
They people that are buying the building and land came by yesterday with their builder. That went well.
I spent yesterday building building shelves to go under my scaffolds for epoxy etc. I organized and consolidated all of the boat building supplies into as small a space has possible. I know the new owner and I expect her to charge me for the space so this had to be done.

The truth is everyday I come in and I feel crushed by all of this. I do the best I can to keep my chin up but I am dealing with depression.
My home life revolves around my girls, I'm thankful for them! Home is the only place I'm at peace. Judy (my youngest) has taken an interest to baking.
We have been trying new things. We've made Jamaican meat pies that were out of this world good and we made some empanadas with a crayfish pie filling that rocked. Judy wanted to try a sweet empanada so we made two. One was a strawberry cream cheese version and a blackberry/lemon curd filled one. Both of my girls have taken to all this baking so I took them to Barnes and Noble last Saturday and we came home with a couple cookbooks.
We are going to attempt French Baguettes this weekend! I truly don't think there is a better bread on the planet.

Well, Sorry for rambling on. I don't really have people in my life that ask how I'm doing anymore. It would seem when you can no longer do anything for them the attention soon fades. I really appreciate you asking about me. I hope when all of this nightmare is settled I can get back to building my boat.
I miss it, I miss fishing. I feel like I'm missing so much at times that perhaps it would be best if I went missing. Yet for the sake of my daughters I remain.
God Bless you all.
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:39 pm
by fallguy1000
The reasons human suffer is to understand the suffering of others.

It is a constant lesson in compassion.

Stay positive, give yourself small goals, help others, be gratious...

Best of luck. I honestly want nothing from you, but I would like to see you succeed.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:49 pm
by Fuzz
If anyone is due a break it is you. But even if it doesn't happen remember you can receive your reward in this life or get it in the next one. All we can do is our best and that is good enough.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:28 pm
by Eric1
Thanks fellas

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:58 pm
by BB Sig
Been praying for you! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:03 am
by glossieblack
The girls need their dad. And their dad needs his girls. Together they are on enriching journey. Thanks for the update Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:32 am
by Eric1
BB Sig wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:58 pm Been praying for you! :)
Thanks Brother. Much needed and appreciated. <3

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:40 am
by Jeff
Eric, thinking of you!! I will call you over the weekend!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:02 am
by pee wee
That's a great interest your girls are picking up; baking is one of my hobbies. Good luck with the baguettes, that's an elusive goal for me- that crackly, paper thin crust with the moist insides . . I haven't gotten to that point yet. Lots of tasty bread, just different. One thing is the pros use steam ovens, home ovens aren't designed for making french bread. The best technique I've found (but still short of the goal) is baking inside a hot dutch oven for the first half of the baking, or using foil to create a tent enclosure to hold steam.

I hope you can hold onto the boat and get her finished one day, but if it comes down to it, it's just a thing. Your most treasured possessions are still with you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:40 am Eric, thinking of you!! I will call you over the weekend!! Jeff
Sounds good Jeff.
pee wee wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:02 am That's a great interest your girls are picking up; baking is one of my hobbies. Good luck with the baguettes, that's an elusive goal for me- that crackly, paper thin crust with the moist insides . . I haven't gotten to that point yet. Lots of tasty bread, just different. One thing is the pros use steam ovens, home ovens aren't designed for making french bread. The best technique I've found (but still short of the goal) is baking inside a hot dutch oven for the first half of the baking, or using foil to create a tent enclosure to hold steam.

I hope you can hold onto the boat and get her finished one day, but if it comes down to it, it's just a thing. Your most treasured possessions are still with you.
Did you try a spritz of water on the dough going in ? Then a preheated pan under them, with a splash of water to make steam. That's what I'm going to try first.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:03 am
by OrangeQuest
It is good to see you post something Eric!

After my bypass operation I was stuck at home for 3 months waiting for my chest to get a little better. I tried my hand at baking things. It is very tough thing to self teach but I did get a nice loaf of bread from time to time. Just couldn't adjust everything to the different humidity and temps down here in Houston. Every time I nice loaf came out I loved the smell so much I had to have a sample piece. After I spread the butter I always ate the whole loaf while it was still warm.

Every time I mix a batch of epoxy with wood flour it reminds me of my learning to bake days and why I like to weigh everything.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:36 am
by Eric1
Who knew old sailors liked to bake! Nice bread is a gift from God. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:09 pm
by BrianC
Eric1 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 am Did you try a spritz of water on the dough going in ? Then a preheated pan under them, with a splash of water to make steam. That's what I'm going to try first.
I place a pan with a couple of bricks in the bottom of the oven & then pour in 4-6 oz. of water just before closing the door. There are a good set of recipes along with detail instructions here: https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/our ... te-recipe/

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:15 am
by pee wee
Eric1 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 am
Did you try a spritz of water on the dough going in ? Then a preheated pan under them, with a splash of water to make steam. That's what I'm going to try first.
I've done that, and it helps. The traditional baguette is a real challenge, and the home bread maker is handicapped. For instance, they don't sell the kind of flour the bakeries use in the grocery store, and we aren't using professional steam ovens, but I think there's somehow even more to it than those things. Don't get me wrong, I can make very tasty loaves of bread- nobody complains- but that papery, crackly crust has so far eluded me. When we lived in Atlanta, Brennan's restaurant opened a location there; they didn't bake the bread in house, it was flown in from New Orleans. Somehow that makes me feel better!

I've now gotten into sourdoughs and have learned how delicious and complex a good true sourdough loaf is, and how much different they are from store bought sourdough that often have "sour" flavor added to the bread that was baked with baker's yeast to speed things up. The slower rising time of natural yeasts result in more flavor, and you can adjust how much sourdough tang it has by lengthening or shortening the resting periods. The technique I use now (it would also work with French bread) is trapping the moisture coming from the dough (also been spritzed with water) to create a steam chamber, which results in extra oven spring during the first portion of the bake. The ultimate for me (and most traditional) would be a sourdough French loaf with that crust . . who knows, maybe some day.

It's a great creative activity with a fun payout, glad to hear you're enjoying it. Post a picture!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:52 am
by Eric1
I just pulled my first artisan loaves from the oven. I'll try to post a picture. I thought it best to do a few basics before jumping in to baguettes or a sour dough. I'll have to make a start for sourdough any. Thanks for the post!

Picture took a bit. My home computer is a dinosaur. :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:27 pm
by piperdown
Looks fantastic! Little bit of that and some good hearty soup, mmm, mmm :D

I don't eat a lot of bread in the warmer months. Once it starts getting cool though, I start making more soups, stews and other semi liquid meals. They absolutely go best with some handcrafted bread.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:50 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Eric. :D
I let it rest a few minutes and had a slice with butter and sugar free BlackBerry jam. Good grief, It was awesome. Danielle and I have a batch of fast dough for baguettes proofing now. Not sure about this one.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:04 pm
by pee wee
Mmmm! I can almost smell it, nothing like bread fresh out of the oven!

It goes good with some cheese, or dip in olive oil with some fresh ground black pepper. There's nothing like a grilled cheese sandwich made with home made bread, too. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:26 pm
by Fuzz
You guys are making me hungry :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:20 pm
by Eric1
First try at baguettes. Not bad, nice chewy inside, outside could have been a bit more crisp. Next time I'll only spritz once. I think the second shot was to much as the bottom crisped nicely. Needs some work.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:47 pm
by glossieblack
Stop it. I'm trying to diet. :help: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:24 am
by piperdown
Eric1 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:20 pm First try at baguettes. Not bad, nice chewy inside, outside could have been a bit more crisp. Next time I'll only spritz once. I think the second shot was to much as the bottom crisped nicely. Needs some work.

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I would totally tear into those! Just a little butter and nothing else!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:30 pm
by Jeff
Nice Eric, wish I could cook!!! Some of your spicy meals have really looked great!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:52 am
by Eric1
Guess what?... I did some boat work! I started gluing in the cleats. :D

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I plan to finish this side today.

I spent Friday and Saturday cooking with my girls. I smoked Pastrami Friday! This was corned beef I soaked in water for two days. You got to change the water every day. Then you coat it with garlic oil and put the rub on it. From there it spends another two days wrapped in the fridge. Smoke on day five, let it cool and refrigerate over night. Sliced it Saturday, I won't be buying deli pastrami anymore! Saturday morning we made bagels and a loaf of Faux sourdough rye. I had a brunch of bagels, homemade cream cheese and smoked trout.The rye over proofed and deflated when I cut it but it was still very tasty!

Here's some food porn:

Going on
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Bagels
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Rye
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Finished meal!
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:00 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Nice boat and nice looking food!

Casey

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:05 pm
by Jeff
Eric, you may have found your second calling as that food looks great!!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:13 pm
by Reid
Eric,

That is some nice looking Corned Beef!! I think you need to open up a small Bakery/Deli with your daughters, or maybe a food truck! I wish we had a place like that around here, pretty sure I would be there for lunch every day. I actually broke down and tried the Arby's Ruben the other day for lunch, pure disappointment!

The boat looks good also! :wink:

-Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:19 pm
by Capt UB
Eric,

I think you should put in a center console with oven and stovetop :wink: :wink:

Forget the food truck, how about a food boat...…

Bob

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:18 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric, boat and food both look great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:42 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Y'all!

Food Boat...Hmmm. I'd have to study on that. I've looked into a food truck, In South Carolina they require you to have a commercial kitchen in order to have the truck. I'm entertaining a job offer. Local machine shop wants me as a Customer rep., I'm going to call them back and set up a time to discuss the details.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:46 pm
by Jeff
Good Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 pm
by narfi
Glad to see you back on the boat!!!!!
Glad to see you might be back working as well, I am sure this has been a trying time for you, but we are all behind you :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:11 pm
by TomW1
Eric best wishes on the job front and that food looks awesome. Glad you can work on the boat also.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm
by Capt UB
Eric1 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:42 pm Thanks Y'all!

Food Boat...Hmmm. I'd have to study on that. I've looked into a food truck, In South Carolina they require you to have a commercial kitchen in order to have the truck. I'm entertaining a job offer. Local machine shop wants me as a Customer rep., I'm going to call them back and set up a time to discuss the details.

Tell them you can cook too!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:19 pm
by glossieblack
Nice progress Eric. Keep at it. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:58 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Does it feel good to be back?

Inside of the boat is looking clean as a whistle!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:38 pm
by cape man
I actually smiled when I saw the boat work. :D The baking and cooking is also cool, but so glad to see that boat and you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:42 pm
by Eric1
Thank you, yes ,it was good to spend time on her.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:43 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:38 pm I actually smiled when I saw the boat work. :D The baking and cooking is also cool, but so glad to see that boat and you.
Thanks CapeMan

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:49 pm
by Bogieman
:D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:40 am
by OrangeQuest
The food looks like it came from a commercial shop! But so does the boat too.

Good luck on the job offer, hope it goes well for you,


Food boat? I can just guess as to all the hoops you would have to jump through to make that happen. Bet you would need a six pack capt. lic on top of it due to collecting money on a boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:30 am
by fallguy1000
Glad to see that beautiful boat is getting some of your time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:40 pm
by lelandtampa
There is a guy in St. Pete that sells bait right on the water. I bet he could get a pretty penny for one of those pastramis hot and ready to go from anyone that forgot their snacks back at the ramp.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:20 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Everybody for the interest and kind comments!
I managed a little more boat work today. I fitted and leveled the second side of cleats.
I plan to glue these in in the morning.

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I set up a meeting this coming Friday to meet the people that want to hire me. I'm a bit apprehensive
about it for a number of reasons. I've worked for myself since 1987, don't know how well I'll adjust to having a boss.
I figure it's worth a look.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:39 pm
by Jeff
Nothing lost in talking with them!!! Wishing you the best with the meeting!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:00 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:39 pm Nothing lost in talking with them!!! Wishing you the best with the meeting!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:07 pm
by Eric1
Frame cleats are installed and Leveled! :D
I was surprised how much goes into to this. The back of my legs are sore from all the time I've not been
working in the boat. :lol:


Aft:
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Forward:
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I had to stop for the day. We had one of our machines sell today and I had to prep it for the riggers Monday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:52 pm
by Capt UB
Looking good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm
by Eric1
Capt UB wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:52 pm Looking good.
Thank Capt.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:26 pm
by glossieblack
Ready for the longitudinal cleats. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:15 pm
by MikeyGnz
Great to see you back on the boat. I found your thread one morning and read all 200&something pages in 1 day. Almost cried at the end of the day when i saw it may go to someone else unfinished.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:32 pm
by Eric1
MikeyGnz wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:15 pm Great to see you back on the boat. I found your thread one morning and read all 200&something pages in 1 day. Almost cried at the end of the day when i saw it may go to someone else unfinished.
Thanks friend. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:49 am
by changeat44
Hi Eric,

I felt I need to say something to you,
I never build a boat in my life, but I will someday. Your build is a great inspiration and how-to to me.
I'll start to build a CX21 1:5 model this winter.

I just want you to know there are more people then you think who like your build and hope you finish her.

Sometimes life is hard, I know. But there will always be new lights and wonders that's for sure!

Eric, you are very strong, that's what I've read in your tread.
Someday my best man, your dream will come tru.

Daniel

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:05 am
by Eric1
Thank you Daniel.
I never thought my build thread would inspire. I hoped it would just document the journey as others could avoid my errors. :)
You are correct about moving forward though. Life has to be lived like a river. Rivers never flow backwards. I like the river, will move forward no matter the obstacles and in time I shall reach my destination.

I hope you enjoy your build. You will learn a lot about yourself as you go along.
All the best,
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:52 pm
by Dutch1
Glad to see you are back at it Eric!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:31 am
by Eric1
I just ordered my tanks from speedy tanks. One 36 gallon and one 35 gallon. Wow, $1,120 and I'll have to pay shipping. I have a quote coming from Armstrong for the bracket too. Stay tuned.....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:47 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:31 am I just ordered my tanks from speedy tanks. One 36 gallon and one 35 gallon. Wow, $1,120 and I'll have to pay shipping. I have a quote coming from Armstrong for the bracket too. Stay tuned.....
Just think of them as nice safes you are going to be storing all that money you pump into them :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:51 pm
by Eric1
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:06 pm
by Eric1
I did get a little more done on the build. I've cut and fitted the stringer cleats.
It took a good bit of time as I am working alone. I took measurements and wrote them on a tablet.
That allowed me to cut them all in one session. I only had one miss, I marked 48 7/8 for a 49 7/8 length. :lol:
I got a second coat of epoxy on them this morning and started build the Bow eye pad.
I decided to use drops of okume ply to build this up. I taped a 6" x 7' piece in place then made
form templates from cardboard to match the hull. This way I can build the layers up and not have to sand the shape as much.
I'm using Gel-Magic for this. I know it's good stuff but it is my least favorite of that product line to work with.

I had to meet a Friend at the shop this morning, he bought our bead blaster and
today was the only day he could pick it up. I met his Dad, Really good guy, retired Army and Vietnam Vet.
We ended up talking for about an hour. I really respect that generation a great deal.
I yet to meet a Veteran that I didn't consider Family. If you meet one these guys, lend your ear and you will be blessed for it.

Here are my pictures.

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The clamps are just finger tight and were a pain to set. Everything wanted to shift and slide around.
You can see the templates in the background behind the GelMagic.

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I started looking at deck hardware and I got sticker shock! I won't be using pop up Cleats! Good grief things have gotten expensive.
I'm also going to use bow eyes at the stern. I don't like the single bolt design of stern eyes.
They just don't seem strong and I plan to use them as tow points.
I can't order the outboard bracket yet. They need to know where the scuppers and transducer will be. I do plan to
Move the scaffold and get measurements so they can give me a quote. I'm planning a full width (less a couple of inches per side)
with integrated swim ladder and a kicker bracket. I don't need a kicker for offshore as much as I may run one for slow trolling the lakes.
Any way I'll hush up for now, Just kicking ideas around. Better than thinking about the rest of my life. :wink:
I am going to bake a couple of loaves of Challah later today, so that's something to look forward to.

Love y'all, Have a good weekend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:40 pm
by joe2700
They have actually changed gel magic a good bit since that bottle you have there. It's no longer a liquid that gels when you mix it, but it comes as a gel in 2 tubs that you mix on a board like ez fillet or quickfair. No idea if that would change what you don't like about working with it, but just so you aren't surprised if you ever get more.

It also comes in caulking cartridges with self mixing tips which can be very convenient for some thing, but is much more expensive by volume.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
by Eric1
joe2700 wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:40 pm They have actually changed gel magic a good bit since that bottle you have there. It's no longer a liquid that gels when you mix it, but it comes as a gel in 2 tubs that you mix on a board like ez fillet or quickfair. No idea if that would change what you don't like about working with it, but just so you aren't surprised if you ever get more.

It also comes in caulking cartridges with self mixing tips which can be very convenient for some thing, but is much more expensive by volume.
That's good news indeed. The stuff I have is difficult to get out and measure. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:45 pm
by Fuzz
Eric it pleases me to no end to see you are back able to work on the boat some. Here is hoping things go your way for a change.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:33 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:45 pm Eric it pleases me to no end to see you are back able to work on the boat some. Here is hoping things go your way for a change.
Thanks Fuzz. Worry doesn't take the problems of tomorrow, it only steals the peace of today.

I'm making some progress. I finished the lamination and fitting of the bow eye pad.
I'll mount it today at some point.

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I've also got the second coat of epoxy on all the stringer cleats. Each coat is using 6 ounces of epoxy.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:59 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great. Amazing how long it takes to cut all the cleats and coat them. It took me ages to do mine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:07 am
by narfi
Looking good!

That bow eye pad looks stout. How thick is it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:29 am
by Eric1
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:59 am Looks great. Amazing how long it takes to cut all the cleats and coat them. It took me ages to do mine.
Yes sir, crazy amount of time and epoxy!
narfi wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:07 am Looking good!

That bow eye pad looks stout. How thick is it?
It was around 2 1/2" inches.

I have it mounted now. I used Cracker Larry's hot glue trick to hold in place. It moved down a little but I can work with where it's at.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:48 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!!! Good to see you back on your boat!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:09 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:48 am Nice work Eric!!! Good to see you back on your boat!!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy. :D

Ok last for today. First coat of epoxy on the top surfaces.
One more in the morning and I can start putting these in the boat!!
I going to try the hot glue trick on these too.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:36 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great. Interested to see how the hot glue works on these. I had a few issues getting them to stay in place as their as slick as can be when covered in glue. I didn’t want to clamp mine to tightly to avoid squeezing out all the epoxy.

I was trying to get them exactly level with the top of the stringers and frames. I’m not sure the level of exactness I was trying for is really required as the epoxy used to glue down the sole will also take up some of any gaps that occur. I remember reading somewhere on here about someone using dowels to locate the cleats. Wish I’d remembered that when I did mine.

The boat’s looking fantastic as usual.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:59 am
by pee wee
Good to see the little battleship coming along again!

You're not likely to go wrong following Cracker Larry's example, we sure miss him.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:52 am
by OrangeQuest
Everything is looking very good! Happy to see you on the build again too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:57 am
by Eric1
Thanks BigOrange! Good to hear from you friend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:44 am
by Eric1
So Fellas, Yesterday afternoon my tanks came in. I had already gone home and the truck driver called.
Very nice of him to wait on me to come back. He even insisted that he waited so I could open and inspect the tanks! :D
I thought I might have one issue with the tanks though. The vent barb is sticking outside of the edge of the tanks. I talked with John at Speedy Tanks this morning and he assures me trimming the tubes back no not harm the function. As you can see I will lose about two barbs. I have to say the overall workmanship is excellent! The welds and breaks as well as dimensional fit are superb!! I ended up with a 35 gallon tank and a 36 gallon tank. I think that will be enough for the boat over a weekend. I probably won't be going offshore a lot as my knees and feet don't allow for much of that. Nearshore for me, no more than 20 miles out.

Vent Barb.
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Fill Barb is recessed.
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Forward tank fitting.
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By installing the cleats on the frames I created a minor issue. There is a gap now at the front and back of each tank the thickness of my cleats.
I'll install two vertical pieces of wood the same thickness as the cleats to solve this. I may have to allow for the thickness of glass though.
Kinda hard to see.
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I'm off to start installing what feels like six miles of stringer cleat. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:55 am
by Dan_Smullen
Minor challenges! But a significant milestone and a beautiful site!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:18 pm
by TomW1
Another big step Eric. They look mighty fine.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:59 pm
by blueflood
Great to see you back, Eric :D
Speedy Tanks do great work - they must have had many orders just from Bateau builders, as was mine.

Marc

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:37 pm
by MikeyGnz
Beautiful work, machinery porn at its best. This is still one of the highest quality builds on the site.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Looking good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:49 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looking at the pictures which can be deceptive, it looks like the tank has to go in before the longitudinal battens as it won’t fit afterward. Is the plan to fully install the tank before completing the woodwork?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:02 am
by Jeff
Very nice tanks Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:41 pm
by Jondavis
Hey Jeff what’s going on with bateau plans website?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:46 pm
by Jeff
Our hosting company did an upgrade for us on Monday and we are just now getting things back in order. Call me if you can't find something. 772.742.8535. Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:45 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Tom, Marc, Mickey and Browndog. :D

I got sick of working in the dust so I got out the vacuum. Now I can see what I'm working on.

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Though the hot glue held fine, it was not fun removing it. So I decided to use dowels on the stringer cleats.
I went as far as I could today. I'll place the rest tomorrow.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:33 am
by OrangeQuest
Your work always looks so professional, it is amazingly neat and clean. Very nice!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:03 am
by GuyP
Tanks look like a perfect fit. Very neat stringers and floor frames installations.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am
by Jeff
Really nice progress Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am
by Eric1
Thank You Everyone. :)
I'm really sore and tired from yesterday. I finished fitting and setting the dowels this morning.
I'm finished with the boat for the weekend.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:31 pm
by Jeff
Have a good weekend!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:41 pm
by changeat44
Looks like you deserved a nice weekend!

Daniel

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:17 pm
by Eric1
Thank Jeff and Daniel. :)

I've been thinking a lot about this boat. I had wanted to finish and equip her with all the amenities,wash down pump, thru-hull intake, nice center console etc. My issue is time, I feel I may be running low on that in a couple of ways. A center console means running all the plumbing and wiring below the sole. I can minimize that by building a side console. I believe due to circumstance, I need to take a minimalist approach from here on out. It's disappointing but sometimes you just have to roll with the punches. I simply need to get her finished. I hope the next life is kinder overall.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:39 pm
by CatfishHunter
glad to see you back at it eric, It amzes me how clean your work is! 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:23 pm
by Eric1
CatfishHunter wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:39 pm glad to see you back at it eric, It amzes me how clean your work is! 8)
Thanks buddy. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:01 pm
by Eric1
From the clamps forward are glued in. I'm going to do some more this afternoon.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:13 pm
by Jeff
Very nice work Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:14 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:13 pm Very nice work Eric!!!! Jeff
Thanks Buddy!

I got a little further.
I'm gonna stop here so my back and knees can work tomorrow. :)

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:21 pm
by changeat44
Step by step you're getting there. Be careful with your body!
Nice work!

Daniel

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:19 am
by cape man
Really like the way you rounded the ends and raised the cleats slightly.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:28 am
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:19 am Really like the way you rounded the ends and raised the cleats slightly.
Thanks cape man. I had to raise them to correct the unlevel stringers. I guess me moving around as I glued them flexed the hull.
This is the only way I could correct that. I plan to fill the gaps between the cleats. I wish I'd paid more attention.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:00 pm
by rbecker08
Looks awesome....funny I was just sitting here thinking about rounding my strings so I could wrap them in glass. Good to see someond else rounding them. Your work looks great.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:37 pm
by Eric1
rbecker08 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:00 pm Looks awesome....funny I was just sitting here thinking about rounding my strings so I could wrap them in glass. Good to see someond else rounding them. Your work looks great.
Thank you :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:56 pm
by fallguy1000
Looking good. Gives me great pleasure to see this one continuing forward.

I am wondering what the brown line about 10" down from the sheer is... Is that a scarf joint?

I sort of expect to see a tape there.. maybe I am wrong...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:08 pm
by Fuzz
Looks really good Eric. Like everyone else said it is good to see you working on it again.

Fallguy you are looking at where the upper and lower panels meet.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:08 am
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:08 pm Looks really good Eric. Like everyone else said it is good to see you working on it again.

Fallguy you are looking at where the upper and lower panels meet.
Right, but does that get taped?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:36 am
by Fuzz
Looks to me like it was rounded over with wood flour glue and glassed over. That is why the brown looking line. I am sure Eric will give us the final word tomorrow :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:02 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:56 pm Looking good. Gives me great pleasure to see this one continuing forward.

I am wondering what the brown line about 10" down from the sheer is... Is that a scarf joint?

I sort of expect to see a tape there.. maybe I am wrong...
Fuzz wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:08 pm Looks really good Eric. Like everyone else said it is good to see you working on it again.

Fallguy you are looking at where the upper and lower panels meet.
First, Thank Both of you. It means a lot for my work to be praised by such fine builders!
Now to answer the question, The lamination schedule didn't call for glass to go that high.
I liked the idea of glassing it for strength and water proofing. The easiest way was to use 50" biax.
I filled with wood flour at a shallow angle to allow the fabric to lay flat.
I need the water proofing because I will wash under the gunnels to prevent mildew and remove wasps.
Probably petty but I hate both, especially to D$^% wasps. Living in the south the are an issue.
After towing 135 mile to fish Santee. I've been swarmed by a red cloud of SOB's. It was not fun.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:28 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric, easy way to KILL wasps is a spray bottle of "Dawn" dish washing soap and water. I worked at some horse stables and wasps were a common problem. I got a cheap pump up sprayer and kept it on hand. When you hit them they drop, crawl around a bit and then stop. Afterwards just rinse with clean water. With enough pressure and the right spray pattern you can take out pretty big nests without any of them escaping. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:35 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:28 am Eric, easy way to KILL wasps is a spray bottle of "Dawn" dish washing soap and water. I worked at some horse stables and wasps were a common problem. I got a cheap pump up sprayer and kept it on hand. When you hit them they drop, crawl around a bit and then stop. Afterwards just rinse with clean water. With enough pressure and the right spray pattern you can take out pretty big nests without any of them escaping. :)
Thanks for the tip. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:36 am
by Jaysen
Eric, as always, your not-so-inner machinist is making this a showcase build. Amazing work.

No suggestions on glass or wasp killing. But with the amount of sanding you’ve done on this boat NO ONE will think you’re being petty for wanting a safe and mold free boat. Especially with the young lady on board. Nothing is ever really perfect enough for our princesses, is it?

When do you start sanding again?

🤣

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:39 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:36 am Eric, as always, your not-so-inner machinist is making this a showcase build. Amazing work.

No suggestions on glass or wasp killing. But with the amount of sanding you’ve done on this boat NO ONE will think you’re being petty for wanting a safe and mold free boat. Especially with the young lady on board. Nothing is ever really perfect enough for our princesses, is it?

When do you start sanding again?

🤣
Thank Jaysen. :D
Not really, I want to give the the best I can.
I'll sand a little when these are done to correct adjust level. :lol:
Just post the mornings progress. I got busy with a car yesterday and I have to meet an installer for my dishwasher.
More on those when I get home.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:58 am
by Eric1
So yesterday I was gluing the third strake for the morning and my Brother interrupted me to tell me the paper work finally came in for the Altima.
I have been waiting two months for a title so I could give the car to my younger daughter. Nissan claims they sent the title twice. The first time was to our street address, it never came. A month ago we called and asked them to send it again to our post office box. It never came :x ,so last Thursday we called again and were told we would have to pay a fee for a clear lien document and South Carolina would issue the title. :x My Brother told them they had not put forth due diligence in seeing the title was delivered and we would not pay for the paperwork. The pinhead wanted to argue and was told to get her manager. After explaining the events to him he agreed to Fed Ex the paperwork at no charge. So we headed out to pay property, get a title , sell the car to me and get a new title in my name and pay sales tax for that ($500) and finally a tag.
Mark paid the expedite fee to get a title in hand and told the lady at DMV what all we needed to do.
Hold your Horn! She then transferred the company title to a new one in my name for free! By doing that I didn't have to pay the sells tax!!!
All it cost me was the plate fee!!! Folks that NEVER happens at the DMV!! :D :D :D

January I found the toilet in the main bathroom had leak and rotted the floor under the tiles. I secured the water and took out the toilet.
This was the second time in the last four years it had happened. I had to replace the toilet the first time which lead to the issue the second time.
I replaced the wax seal and thought I was golden. No, I found out the new toilets are made to fit flush to the floor. I called every where seeking a solution. Every place I called told me to use two wax rings, so I did. I installed it and thought I was golden. Ah Heck no! All the did was shift the leak under the freaking floor again!!! :x :x :x
Cut to February, My girls tell me there is water coming out from under the kitchen sink. I rush home to fine it must have been dripping over time and now I have a rotten floor under the sink. That lead mo to search for a contractor to do the repairs properly. At this point I didn't trust my knowledge to get the job done. continued in next post....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:47 am
by Eric1
Asking around I mentioned it to a young woman I know that was going to school to be an engineer. She tells me that flooring is what she is doing to pay her way through school. She told me she had several crews doing this. She quotes the job,new floor in bathroom, new flange and toilet,new kitchen floor and repair under the sink for $2,200.00. I agree to let her do the job. I've know her family for sometime and I shop at her Mom's Asian market with some frequency. Ok, I asked her to do the bathroom first so me and the girls wouldn't have to keep sharing the half bath in my room. I come home to find them tearing the floor in the kitchen. So much for listening, should have been a warning. They asked if they could remove the dishwasher as the found a soft spot there while tearing out. That extended under the dishwasher so they said they could repair and tile under that for another $100., of I said yes. I asked how the dishwasher was going to fit if they raised the new floor with the ceramic tile. They told me they could shim my counter tops to make the adjustment. While this was going on I decided to buy a new dishwasher. The old one was 12 years old and didn't get the dishes clean. Surprise! Due to the tariffs on stainless a dishwasher was $900.! I get it home and sit it on the carport.
Now they shift work to the bathroom. They did a complete repair down to the sub floor. Installed a new flange to match the way toilets are now made.
The next few of days they install tiles. Bathroom looks really nice and I'm excited to see the how kitchen turn out. More days pass and they finally return. I come home to see a beautiful kitchen floor and they repaired under the sink! The only issue is they cut my phone line installing the tile.
I called the girl I hired and she agreed to repair it and would meet me for payment the next day. I get a call to come home and go over the job with her and to pay up. I get there and the first thing that see is where they shimmed my countertop. They only shimmed it next to the stove trying to get enough room to force it. I told her that is good enough. The installer started speaking broken English saying I told him this was not going to work.
Two things, one he spoke perfect English up until this point and two I questioned how this would work. The installer started being rude about and told me I was lying to her. Needless to say he got a full on response from me. I ended up telling him if he spoke another word he leave my home with the minimum of a broken jaw. He leaves, she responded with the shim issue is just the difference in old verses new. In the end she knocks $200.00 off the bill and doesn't charge for the toilet. All of that leads to me having to buy new countertops this summer. Being cautious about money with all that's going on I'm just now getting the dishwasher in place.
Now the guy from Lowes is saying I won't have a warranty because the dishwasher is damaged. The sheet metal is slightly bent where the leg of the dishwasher was forced in. I reached down and bent it back square and told him to install it anyway. I'm about to blow a Feckin Gasket. :x :x :x

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:42 pm
by Jwhitakeriii
My experience every time I pay someone to do a job for me. I always end up paying them and then having to redo or fix anyway. Good luck and sorry to hear that. Boat looks good though

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:44 am
by Jeff
Sorry to hear this Eric!! So hard to find good help to do anything these days!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:11 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:44 am Sorry to hear this Eric!! So hard to find good help to do anything these days!!! Jeff
More to it. They didn't install yesterday. :x

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:11 am
by Eric1
I came in to get done what I could. Any company coming to look at the install on the dishwasher.

I have these three drying and the one at the foot of the ladder were done yesterday.

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I used the left over glue in the cup to pull fllets on this too.
I'll use left over biax to get a few layer on it.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:09 am
by Eric1
Update on the Great kitchen fiasco of 2019.

Installer so comes up from Lowes yesterday. Pulls the dishwasher out and says the front leg is bent.
I said yes no big deal it will bend back easily. So he reaches down and bends it back in place.
Now he pulls it all the way out and sees I'd connected the water hose. he says to me, "This has been installed I can't come behind someone because we have to warranty the install". I told him I connected it because I didn't want to chance cutting it when I pushed it in place. understand the water has never been turn on. After listening to him tell me the same garbage twice I told him Just do the install and I'll write you a waiver declining your warranty. He says ok and starts to write down the supplies he'll need. I thought that odd as the was already done back in January and Lowes had it on record. Then he says, "I have to go back to Lowes for an electrical box and the rest of the stuff". He leaves, Ten minutes later I get a call from "Central Processing". The lady tells me they can't install because I took it out of the box,the leg was bent and you guess it, I hooked up the water line. There was no changing her mind.
I headed to Lowes. I asked to speak with a Store Manager and he came out and I went through the whole thing with him. Fully expecting no results I called a local plumbing company and schedule them for today. He asked me to call them and give him a chance to correct this. He calls Central Processing and talks at length with the same lady that called me. He explains to her that I had to take it from the box to make sure it was going to fit due to the floor/counter top issues. Then he covered me connecting the line as not to crimp or cut it. He goes on to tell her that has installed hundreds of these and what I did was no problem. She still refuses. He asked if the bent leg was a warranty issue why did her man bend back in place? He went on to tell her her installer had no business lying to me about picking up parts then calling her to refuse the job. She still refused.
No he gets off the phone and apologizes to me profusely. He tells me he is going to refund all of my money all the way back to January.
Turns out "Central Processing" is the third party contractor that that store uses. He said, he wanted to call them to try to fix the situation and if they didn't that the call is recorded. The calls are tracked before a contract is renewed.
He tells me that he was the one to interviewed my daughter Judy for her job. I never brought it up, didn't think he knew who I was. He asked if I knew why she was hired. I replied no no really. He said when he asked her why do you want to work here she told him what I said to her that morning. I had see they were having a job fair, I went home and woke up both of my girls saying get your butts out of bed and go apply at Lowes.
We all chuckled at that some, Then he tells me he still needs cashiers. Danielle was with me and though she applied she didn't get a full interview.
He tells her to re-apply online and he would be in touch! Get this, He offers to pay for the full install no matter what the other company charges!!
I can't allow that because it doesn't feel right to me. Then he says let me pay for half of it because you were wronged while in Lowes charge. I agreed to that. So hopefully this is reaching the end of it's course.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:31 pm
by Eric1
:D :D :D Finally!!! :D :D :D
Dishwasher is being installed!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:53 am
by Eric1
The last of the easy ones are installed!!
I know I had a couple of boards that warp a little. I'll sand them level and start the cleats on the bulkheads next.
I may have to use the hot glue method as I can't wrap my head around clamping them.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:34 am
by Dan_Smullen
Hey, Eric. One of the first things I noticed about your boat, was the way you faired the style line of the upper and lower side panel into nothing at the bow. The detail struck me as familiar, but wasn’t sure why.

It’s only now that I’ve recognized this as a traditional wooden boat detail that is created at the point where an overlapping plank is rabbeted into the adjacent plank in a tapered rabbet at the bow. Basically feathering out to flush at the stem.

Like most traditional details, the current aesthetic comes from traditional function.

Very nice detail, sir. Looking forward to seeing more!

Build on!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:58 am
by Eric1
Thanks Dan. I had no idea. It just seemed like the way to do it. :D

Ok here is how I'm holding the side cleats in place.
I set two levels across the stringers. Used a small foam 90 degree wedge and glued from the underside while holding the cleat against the bottom of the level.

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I cut the cleats to minimize the gaps as needed.
This should eliminate the need for clamping to hold them in place.
The level line I struck makes the gap look larger than it is.

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Cleat removed to show the supports.
I ran the cleats through the table saw to cut the tops level. I started at 18 degrees progressing to 22 degrees where I left off.
As these form a compound curve near the bow a flat cut is not perfect. They start to form an acute angle the further forward I go.
That said it is a very small area. I plan to use the gap filling character of epoxy glue to fill this when the sole is glued down.

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Moving forward I will turn the cleats 90 degrees to minimize the angular cut I'll need to fit them at level.
I'm not sure if cleat are really bring much to the picture at the bow. I will install them none the less.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:29 pm
by Jeff
Excellent work as always Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:10 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Hey, Eric. Are you inclined to build any camber into the deck so it drains to the side, or just make it level?

I’ve been wondering about what approach is best.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:33 pm
by glossieblack
Very nice work Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:01 pm
by Eric1
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:10 pm Hey, Eric. Are you inclined to build any camber into the deck so it drains to the side, or just make it level?

I’ve been wondering about what approach is best.
I'm going with level.

Thanks Glossie.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:23 am
by piperdown
Just wondering couldn't you have kerfed the side cleats to make the bends? Then fill the kerfs with thickened epoxy and put in place?

Regardless, looking great Eric and am I thrilled to know you're moving forward on the boat!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:44 am
by jacquesmm
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:10 pm Hey, Eric. Are you inclined to build any camber into the deck so it drains to the side, or just make it level?

I’ve been wondering about what approach is best.
The decks have camber as designed but the sole is flat. I count on the boat to move enough to drain. That's the way it is in all production boats but some lifeboats and surf boats have camber in the sole. It's rare.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:15 pm
by Eric1
piperdown wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:23 am Just wondering couldn't you have kerfed the side cleats to make the bends? Then fill the kerfs with thickened epoxy and put in place?

Regardless, looking great Eric and am I thrilled to know you're moving forward on the boat!!
Yes that could have been done and I considered it. I felt this was faster and equally as good a technique.
Thanks Piperdown. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:45 am
by cracked_ribs
jacquesmm wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:44 am
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:10 pm Hey, Eric. Are you inclined to build any camber into the deck so it drains to the side, or just make it level?

I’ve been wondering about what approach is best.
The decks have camber as designed but the sole is flat. I count on the boat to move enough to drain. That's the way it is in all production boats but some lifeboats and surf boats have camber in the sole. It's rare.
I have also seen the reverse done: to put a very gentle lift in the corners of the sole where it meets the frames, just to prevent water from pooling in the corners. Whether it's worth doing or not I have no idea but it's an interesting concept but I think Jacques' point is well taken: the boat should ideally be either covered up on on the water and if it's either of those, the water should be leaving on its own.

I would not camber a deck in a boat with exposed frames, though: that's directing it to an area with built-in obstructions.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:56 am
by Eric1
That is my plan for the exposed frame. An old boat of mine had that issue. Over time rot developed there. Polyester layup, not mine, factory build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:54 am
by Dan_Smullen
Eric1 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:56 am That is my plan for the exposed frame. An old boat of mine had that issue. Over time rot developed there. Polyester layup, not mine, factory build.
Great points, Eric and Cracked Ribs!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:47 am
by Eric1
I'm going to try and do some glue work today. I've been down since last Thursday with my back again.
I'm trying to think ahead on my build concerning where to place everything. I want to do a through hull pickup.
Do I need to make shims to plumb this vertical or is it ok to mount it at the angle to the hull? I'm nervous about cutting a hole in my hull. :lol:
I want a wash down and bait tank so this is a must.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:05 am
by Eric1
I'm going slow but making progress. The cleats are on the sides out to first frame.

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I'm using the left over mix to fill the top of the stringers between the other cleats.
At least the end grain of the ply will be sealed. Don't mind me, just looking for a silver lining.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:09 am
by OrangeQuest
Really nice, but you know you are going to want to do some sanding there! :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:47 pm
by Eric1
Thanks. I will sand to confirm level.

I added these vertical pieces to gap fill the front and back of the fuel tanks between the frames.

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I want to do a through hull pickup.
Do I need to make shims to plumb this vertical or is it ok to mount it at the angle to the hull? I'm nervous about cutting a hole in my hull. :lol:
I want a wash down and bait tank so this is a must.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:00 pm
by Fuzz
Your work looks outstanding as usual for you.
The only time I have worried about mounting a transducer level is when it was for a depth sounder and even those I only did for bigger boats.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:37 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:00 pm Your work looks outstanding as usual for you.
The only time I have worried about mounting a transducer level is when it was for a depth sounder and even those I only did for bigger boats.
Thanks Fuzz. For both the kind comment and your trusted advice. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:08 am
by Eric1
A bit further on. Screws removed, holes filled.

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More Cleats have been added.

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I'm feeling a little achy, sick coworker was out yesterday with fever. He's he coughing.
Got me paranoid. I don't want to get sick.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:13 am
by changeat44
Nice work Eric!
Maybe a glass Rum helps :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:29 am
by Eric1
changeat44 wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:13 am Nice work Eric!
Maybe a glass Rum helps :wink:
That's a good idea! Thanks for the comment too. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:32 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:29 am
changeat44 wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:13 am Nice work Eric!
Maybe a glass Rum helps :wink:
That's a good idea! Thanks for the comment too. :D
I'd be looking for a bottle!

Eric, your "dirty work' makes my "clean work" look... let's just say you'd not approve. I love the quality your work displays. Great example to your girls.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:42 am
by Eric1
Thanks Buddy :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 pm
by Bogieman
Man, I'm so happy to see you back working on the boat :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:05 am
by Eric1
Bogieman wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 pm Man, I'm so happy to see you back working on the boat :D
Thanks Bogie. Hopefully I can finish her. My budget has shrunk considerably but I'll do the best I can.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:00 am
by changeat44
Eric1 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:05 am
Bogieman wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:52 pm Man, I'm so happy to see you back working on the boat :D
Thanks Bogie. Hopefully I can finish her. My budget has shrunk considerably but I'll do the best I can.
Till now, you adjust perfect, your strong! I really hope you finish her.
I know...., money and dreams don't always fit nicely.

Daniel

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:58 am
by Eric1
Thank You Daniel. I hope to finish her as well.

Here is today's work.
The port and starboard side cleats are glued in place.
This is all that I have cut and fitted up to this point.

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I'm back filling the top of the frames and stringers with epoxy glue.
Using the piping bag and spatula where the lows are shallow.

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This is an overview of my progress.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:46 pm
by cracked_ribs
That's a great photo of what is clearly a superbly constructed boat.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:33 am
by glossieblack
:D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:01 pm
by Eric1
The stringer on the starboard side was the worst as far as level goes. Now that the cleats are on and level is established.
I have a considerable gap to fill there. My approach is to use scrap marine ply to gap fill the top of the stringer.
I used some 3/8" and 1/4" to get this done. Once the wood glue sets I can encapsulate that with epoxy glue.

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Other than that I'm slinging more mud to get these filled.

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Once all of this is done I'm going to use a pencil grinder to undercut the dowels on the cleats.
Then I will fill those with epoxy glue.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:12 pm
by piperdown
Looking good Eric!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:39 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Squeaky clean as always! Nice work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:46 am
by Larry B
Eric, I am watching your build, I don't reply or post much but just wanted to say looks like your doing a fantastic job, That will be one fine boat.
Just watching from Arizona,
Larry B

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:47 am
by Eric1
Thanks Larry. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:50 pm
by fallguy1000
I am a little jealous of this build. It will be a kick ass boat when done and about 15% of the work of the Skoota dm.

I am feeling a bit overwhelmed these days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 am
by glossieblack
Hey Fallguy, both Eric's and your builds are A1 first class sensational. Don't forget you're building two boats. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:20 am
by OrangeQuest
glossieblack wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 am Hey Fallguy, both Eric's and your builds are A1 first class sensational. Don't forget you're building two boats. :wink:
AT THE SAME TIME!! :lol: :lol: But I agree, both Eric and Fallguy are doing fantastic jobs.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:10 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:50 pm I am a little jealous of this build. It will be a kick ass boat when done and about 15% of the work of the Skoota dm.

I am feeling a bit overwhelmed these days.
Thanks Fallguy1000, You hang in there. You'll get that yacht finished, step by step. 8)

Thanks to you Glossie and OrangeQuest. :D

I have the tops filled with the exception of the stringer sections where the gas tanks will go.
I will temporarily mount cleats with release film to build those areas next and fill the tops.
Then I will sand and confirm level before I finish the rest of the cleat work.
All of the dowels were filled this morning as well.
We are going to be very cold the next few days so boat progress will be on pause.

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I'm pulling small fillets at the cleat corners. It's probably not needed but I like the idea.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:34 am
by Jeff
Really nice work Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:59 am
by OrangeQuest
The small fillets are a nice touch.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:14 am
by glossieblack
Eric, very nice and precise. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:52 am
by Eric1
Yesterday I made dams and put them in place.
I had a late start but good grief it took a while to do.
This is all I accomplished as I had to run a bunch of errands.

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Today I wait until 8:00 to get started. Temp in the building was only 56 degrees.
The epoxy was like honey and tough to mix and use. None-the-less I have the dams filled.
Nothing else today, this work must cure first.

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Mistakes corrected, Finally nice and level! :)
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I'm really looking forward to this part of the build being done. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:55 am
by Jeff
Really well done Eric!!! 56 in the building is quite cold!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:55 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Looks like a nice flat surface with lots of glue area for the sole to sit on. What's next for you? Chase tubes?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:57 pm
by Eric1
Yes, I'm thinking chase tubes.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:06 pm
by cape man
Really impressed and so happy to see you building.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:25 pm
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:06 pm Really impressed and so happy to see you building.
Thanks Cape man.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:41 am
by glossieblack
Lovely, keep at it. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:43 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:41 am Lovely, keep at it. :wink:
Thanks Mate! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:19 am
by pee wee
That's several hundred feet of cleats, isn't it? Very neat work, good thing you took pictures!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:21 pm
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:19 am That's several hundred feet of cleats, isn't it? Very neat work, good thing you took pictures!
Lord yes it is. Thanks Pee Wee.

I removed the dams this morning. It was a success, the tops are filled nice and level.

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In order to strike a line forward of what I've done I had to modify the end of my level.
Small piece of G10 mounted to the underside of my level.
The single screw allows me to match the curvature of the hull well enough to get this done.
If you do this note: You need to drill your hole off center of the extruded aluminum.
The extrusion has a "T" shape in the center for strength.

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The application:

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The result:

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I thought about the next step, after this, over the week end. I think I'm going to cut and fit a temporary floor next.
I haven't decided which way to finish the boat yet. This will allow me to play with ideas. That's all for now.
I hope everyone is having a good Monday. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:48 pm
by Fuzz
Neat and clean like always.
Putting the deck down will change things a bunch and let to see stuff a little different. Good move dropping it in there for planning.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:34 pm
by Jeff
As always, really well done Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:46 pm
by Reid
Nice work Eric!! You always think outside the box, I like it!
-Reid

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:55 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Slick trick! Can't wait to see what you conjure up for the layout.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:02 pm
by Eric1
Thanks a lot Jeff, Reid and Dan! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:10 pm
by cape man
That's an interesting trick. Love it!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:03 pm
by Eric1
Thank You Cape Man! :D

I decided to use some of the left over foam I have going forward.
This is easier than fitting wood over the curves. An added benefit is of course the weight and it bends!

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Closer Look:

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Being so light weight there is no need of supports.
Duct tape holds them in place quite well.

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All have been left proud of level.
A simple hand block and some 80 grit will easily allow me to come to a perfect level.

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Once both sides are leveled I'll pull fillets on the bottom and lay two layers of glass tape.
That's all for now. I'm gonna grab a bite of lunch and relax for a bit. Y'all have a great day! :D :D :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:06 pm
by Fuzz
Smart move using that foam. I am sure it saved you a ton of work and time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:10 pm
by narfi
Looking good as always!
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:03 pm Once both sides are leveled I'll pull fillets on the bottom and lay two layers of glass tape.
I didn't follow this part.... You are going to glass tape the batons in place? All of them or just the foam ones?
Is this something that's required for the bigger boat? Hopefully it isn't something I missed on mine, as I just epoxy coated all my batons before foaming and gluing down the sole.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:31 pm
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:10 pm Looking good as always!
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:03 pm Once both sides are leveled I'll pull fillets on the bottom and lay two layers of glass tape.
I didn't follow this part.... You are going to glass tape the batons in place? All of them or just the foam ones?
Is this something that's required for the bigger boat? Hopefully it isn't something I missed on mine, as I just epoxy coated all my batons before foaming and gluing down the sole.
Thanks Narfi! The glass is only for the foam. Foam has to have glass, only then is it strong.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:01 am
by narfi
Ok cool. That makes sense to me and what I guessed, but didn't want to assume :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:53 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Nice idea with the foam, took ages to go around the double curvature parts in wood.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:47 am
by Jeff
Nice use of the foam!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:52 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! I'm glad I had it on hand, saved a bunch of work.

It only took a little more than an hour to sand this side level this morning.

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I fitted the opposite side:

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And Glued them in place.
This was about 4 oz. of glue.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:09 am
by glossieblack
Nice solution. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:09 am
by Eric1
After sanding the left side cleats to level, I decided to use the dam technique to fill the void at the end of the short stringers and the bow.
I'm not sure how well the two part foam will fill tight corners so this is just a safety on my part.
I'm sure I'm doing unnecessary things as I build, but hey, it's my first build. :lol:

Here's the Dam Pictures:

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As I checked level this morning I found the last piece on the right was low.
I made a dam at the bow and built up the top to raise it.

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Current status:

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If all of the glue sets I'll coat the foam with epoxy to seal the ten billion small pores.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:13 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:09 am Nice solution. :D
Thanks Glossie. I know it has saved me some time. I like working with foam.
If I ever finish this build I'd like to build a GF16 in all foam.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:56 am
by Dan_Smullen
Hey, Eric. I have a Throwback Thursday question for you.

Do you recall how you manged tape around the overlap of the upper and lower side panel at the transom?

Did you level up the 1/4" step at the edge of the upper panel, stop tape at he step, or just tape right across the step?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:27 pm
by Eric1
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:56 am Hey, Eric. I have a Throwback Thursday question for you.

Do you recall how you manged tape around the overlap of the upper and lower side panel at the transom?

Did you level up the 1/4" step at the edge of the upper panel, stop tape at he step, or just tape right across the step?
I sanded a tapered transition and put enough fillet to allow the tape to form.
Then after glassing the sides I came back and built the edge back up and sanded it to form.

You can see the transition if you look closely. I'm trying to find the pictures where I filled it and built it back up.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:44 pm
by Eric1
Eric1 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:27 pm
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:56 am Hey, Eric. I have a Throwback Thursday question for you.

Do you recall how you manged tape around the overlap of the upper and lower side panel at the transom?

Did you level up the 1/4" step at the edge of the upper panel, stop tape at he step, or just tape right across the step?
I sanded a tapered transition and put enough fillet to allow the tape to form.
Then after glassing the sides I came back and built the edge back up and sanded it to form.

Piece of 1/4" aluminum with peel ply tape to work surface.

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Filled and covered with tape.
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This worked ok but I still had to use quick fair and a block sander to get it right.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:20 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Thanks, Eric. Sounds like you filled it in, then recreated the step feature. Is this right?

To avoid hi jacking your thread, I posted a new question.

Forgive me for the interruption. Given the similarities between your build and mine just beginning. I've been using this thread and your pics as reference a lot.

Back to you regularly scheduled progress...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:26 pm
by Eric1
Dan_Smullen wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:20 pm Thanks, Eric. Sounds like you filled it in, then recreated the step feature. Is this right?

To avoid hi jacking your thread, I posted a new question.

Forgive me for the interruption. Given the similarities between your build and mine just beginning. I've been using this thread and your pics as reference a lot.

Back to you regularly scheduled progress...
Yep, That what I did. Dan, I'm glad you've been using it. That's why I posted. It's my hope others would at least learn from my mistakes. So I can't forgive e you. Interrupt all you want t.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:47 am
by Eric1
Chilly morning today, 58 degrees in the shop.
I pulled fillets on the foam cleats around 9 am. Then ran the space heater for ten minutes per section to advance the cure.

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That worked well enough to allow me to glass wet on wet.

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In this picture you can see a light blue arrow. That shows the little piece that's is below level.
It will be an easy correction. :)

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I've set up a thermal tent to speed curing.
I would like to get the second layer on this afternoon.

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That's all for now.

I hope your builds are going well and I wish you all a Very Happy Thanksgiving!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:18 pm
by fallguy1000
Happy Thanksgiving Eric!

Can't wait to see the guts goin in!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:47 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:18 pm Happy Thanksgiving Eric!

Can't wait to see the guts goin in!
Thank Friend!!

I finished the second layer of tape this morning.

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I also put the first coat of epoxy on these last few cleats.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:15 pm
by cape man
That will be one very well supported deck!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:42 pm
by Eric1
Yes it is cape man!

I went to Lowes this morning bought 5 sheets of 11/32 exterior ply to make a temporary sole with.
I had help measuring the width. I took measurements every foot then use a batten to lay out the curves.
My boat is averaging about an inch wider than the plans. I figure some of that is from raising the sole
and some from my side panels flaring off frame when it was upside down.
Even with this thinner ply the sole feels solid. It was really an incredible feeling to stand on the deck!! :D :D :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:39 pm
by Fuzz
Careful, you might enjoy walking on a level surface so much you never want to take it back up :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:18 am
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!!!! Cold this morning down here at 43!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:33 am
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:18 am Nice work Eric!!!! Cold this morning down here at 43!!!! Jeff
Thanks Jeff. We're 31 here. Waiting in dentist office for my 8AM appointment.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:39 am
by OrangeQuest
Very nice work!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:31 am
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:39 am Very nice work!
Thank you OrangeQuest! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:58 pm
by Eric1
Man, This feels good!

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:03 pm
by piperdown
Looks good too!! One heck of a milestone Eric, getting the template for the sole!! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:09 pm
by Jeff
Well done Eric!!! She is a big boat!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:37 pm
by Fuzz
Great picture! Shows just how big that thing is. Being able to walk around on a flat surface is a wonderful thing :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:48 pm
by changeat44
I see a proud man!
Nice job, another milestone!

Daniel

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:53 am
by CatfishHunter
great job that last pic really puts into perspective how big that boat is!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:23 pm
by danieloldhouse
Great milestone Eric, looks very good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:30 pm
by Rtorres2411
Nice to see some good progress on the C21. Build on.

Ruben

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:53 pm
by Bogieman
Nice!!!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:48 am
by Eric1
I just want to thank Everyone for the kind comments and support. :D
It means more to me than you know. :D :D :D

I'm moving forward with mock ups this morning.
I know of one issue I will correct before chase tubes etc.
The unfinished edge of the boat sides need to be leveled. Particularly towards the bow.
My nose dropped some and the curve has a noticeable hump in it. I'm going to purchase a power plane to help with this.
I probably should have held off painting the rub rail until after flipping but who knew.
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I'm also strongly considering a side console design that will be well forward as shown in the plans.
Even if I go center console I want to move it forward.
This will primarily be a lake boat so spray is not an issue. If I get to go offshore I plan to choose the days with discretion.

At the stern I have built the frames as show in the plans. I initially thought of making a bench type seat back there.
Now that I have a floor in her I'm not sure there is room to make a proper seat with out sacrificing deck space forward.
Plus I have to accommodate the thrust box that Jacques specifies.

Other thoughts are to where to cut the hole in the transom for wiring and hoses.
I've seen this done on some nice boats right at center in front of the motor.
I like the neat look of it but I'm not sure how and where to go about it.

Another consideration is that I will be putting in a through hull pickup and pump.
Should I run a pcv pipe back through the stringers to the center bilge compartment where the pump will be.
The thought here is should I get a leak at the pick up the water could drain to the bilge pump.
My concern is the loss of strength at a high load area at the transom.
I suppose I could place a small pump in the bilge compartment where the pick up is to accomplish the same thing.
That means plumbing another pipe for an outlet.

Lastly I have a good bit of G10 panels I'd like to use. I'm thinking of building the consoles or bait tanks from this.
I'm frugal and I hate to waste material. Thoughts?
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:08 am
by glossieblack
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:48 am The unfinished edge of the boat sides need to be leveled. Particularly towards the bow.
My nose dropped some and the curve has a noticeable hump in it. I'm going to purchase a power plane to help with this.
If you're intending to tweak the sheer line to get rid of the droop, you'll have to tweak the lower edge of the rub rail too. If your laying decks with a cross-ships camber, you'll need to tweak the cross-ships profile of the upper edge of the hull and rub rail too. I had to do such tweaks on Skinnydip, and it took me a lot more time than I expected.

The pic of a happy Eric standing on a temporary sole is just wonderful! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:34 am
by jacquesmm
Sheer line at the bow: I agree with Glossieblack. The shaved top part will look weird. I would instead bend the deck plywood using some kerfs if needed. A moderate powder horn style sheer does not look bad at all, many prefer it.

Move console forward: yes but how much? 6" is fine 12" requires move other weights.
Seats and layout: that is up to you as long as you keep the framing spaced every 36". That boat has high sides, you need cockpit frames above the sole.

Transom holes for controls etc.: no problem as long as you stay at 3" from the edges and from what you write, it should be fine in the middle.

I am not certain that I understand where that pick up will go. What is it for? Baitwell, cleaning water to deck pump? I would put it in the bottom forward around frame E , where ever you can easily (very easily) reach the valve.

G10 is a good material but very heavy. It will be fine for a baitwell or fishbox. How thick is it? If 3/8 or more, you could use it for the console but it is much heavier than a plywood core. Less than 3/8 will be flimsy.
It is an excellent material for hatches and seat tops. Backing plates, switch panels but again, heavy and difficult to machine but you have the tools.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:24 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:34 am Sheer line at the bow: I agree with Glossieblack. The shaved top part will look weird. I would instead bend the deck plywood using some kerfs if needed. A moderate powder horn style sheer does not look bad at all, many prefer it.
I'll think it will make the bend. I had it in mind that it was thicker than 1/4" ply.

Move console forward: yes but how much? 6" is fine 12" requires move other weights.
I'll get back to you on this. I'm laying it out in my CAM system.


Seats and layout: that is up to you as long as you keep the framing spaced every 36". That boat has high sides, you need cockpit frames above the sole.
I can do that!

Transom holes for controls etc.: no problem as long as you stay at 3" from the edges and from what you write, it should be fine in the middle.
Ok sounds good.


I am not certain that I understand where that pick up will go. What is it for? Baitwell, cleaning water to deck pump?
Baitwell(s) and raw water washdown.

I would put it in the bottom forward around frame E , where ever you can easily (very easily) reach the valve.
Yes Sir Jacques, That's where I was thinking.

G10 is a good material but very heavy. It will be fine for a baitwell or fishbox. How thick is it? If 3/8 or more, you could use it for the console but it is much heavier than a plywood core. Less than 3/8 will be flimsy.
It is 3/16". I'll use marine ply for console and maybe double this for hatch lids.

It is an excellent material for hatches and seat tops. Backing plates, switch panels but again, heavy and difficult to machine but you have the tools.
Thank You For the help!!

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:53 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:34 am
Move console forward: yes but how much? 6" is fine 12" requires move other weights.

Seats and layout: that is up to you as long as you keep the framing spaced every 36".
That boat has high sides, you need cockpit frames above the sole.
I want to shift the console forward 13.125".
I'm not sure I understand the issue of having to move other weights. Do keep in mind my outboard will be on an Armstrong bracket.
When I compare the difference in the dual console to the center console I see a good bit more mass forward on the dual console design.
Surely moving the center forward would not effect performance that much?

As for the cockpit frames. I'm trying to understand where they are by your design.
Using DWG E226/4 the frame at station F would be 25.5" (the length of the optional jump seat side panel)from frame at station G.
Then using the scale of 1"=12" Frame at station D appears to be 55.5". Above you specified a 36" spacing for these.
Sorry I'm confused Friend, Just trying to reason my way through the build.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:17 am
by jacquesmm
For the weights: I forgot that you are building a full transom with bracket. That will compensate for the weight of the console moving forward. No problem there.

For the location of the last frame G WITH a bracket: that is not shown on the plans but it is easy.
Under the sole, G stays where it is shown on the plans. You have already done that.
Above the sole, you are free to put G where you want but you need it, you can't skip it.
I would move it 18" back. That would be a full bulkhead at about 8" forward of the transom measured at the bottom.
You still need the longitudinal frames between G and the transom spaced approximately like the stringers. That whole bulkhead assembly will create a strong box beam and leave room for storage in the stern (tackle boxes?) and a small rear deck.
When you locate the longitudinal braces, take in account the bolts for the bracket. You don't want them to land smack on the brace.
You have some freedom with that G location, further forward is fine. Same freedom with the longitudinal braces.
I can give bulkhead dimensions but at this stage, it is safer to take measurements from the assembled hull.
Think about access to the bilge pump and size of the deck hatches IF you use any. I wouldn't.

If you need a simple drawing to visualize that whole thing, I"ll do it and post it here.

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:51 pm
by Eric1
I laid this out as described. The Phantom blue lines are a bench seat I want incorporate.
The blue arrow indicates "Face" hatches to access the bilge and transom bolts.
Instead of the G being 90 degrees to sole I would like to set at 95-100 degrees to make a comfortable backrest.
Try not to laugh but at 90 my arms won't allow me to reach the bottom to put a fillet and wet out glass tape.
Any ideas? Can G be cut in half to allow me to reach the sole? Then glue back together with butt joint?

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:00 am
by Fuzz
Why not put a cleat there and do it just like the sides :doh: The cut in two plan will work also.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:09 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:00 am Why not put a cleat there and do it just like the sides :doh: The cut in two plan will work also.
I get that, just making sure it ain't got to be one piece.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:44 am
by jacquesmm
The drawing looks exactly as what I expected.
The small angle does not change anything, it's fine.
To reach the bottom, I would cut in two and re-assemble with a butt block.
I don't understand the cleat idea unless G is in2 parts with one below and above the sole. That would work too.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:06 am
by fallguy1000
Please tell me you aren't gonna plane that bow rail.

Totally unneeded.

My two cents.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:48 am
by Eric1
The cleats under the magenta lines are for the thrust box.
I think we're on the same page. Thank you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:49 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:06 am Please tell me you aren't gonna plane that bow rail.

Totally unneeded.

My two cents.
I had thought of it, but I was thinking the plywood was thicker there.
Not need with 1/4".

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:13 am
by Eric1
Just a status update. The build is on yet another hold. We've had a serious offer on our building and land and are expecting a contract by the end of the month.While that is very good news, I am left scrambling to find a place to finish the boat. I still have machines to sell as well. This is very stressful and I hope I can get the machines sold and not to have to pay a rigger to move them into storage. Worst case for the boat will mean installing the bow and stern eyes, putting it on a trailer and bringing it home. It will have to be covered with a tarp and sit in the back yard. I have a shed out back to put my supplies but it is not heated and I'm concerned about my epoxy and paint.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:45 am
by Jaysen
The epoxy will be fine. Can you get the paint inside?

Back in my pigeon racing days, a 5w bulb in a box would keep water at 40f. Can you rig up a cooler and a nightlight to keep the paint warm? Don’t know how fancy to u want to get but if your concerned about leaving in on look for a thermostat to regulate the cycle.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:32 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:45 am The epoxy will be fine. Can you get the paint inside?

Back in my pigeon racing days, a 5w bulb in a box would keep water at 40f. Can you rig up a cooler and a nightlight to keep the paint warm? Don’t know how fancy to u want to get but if your concerned about leaving in on look for a thermostat to regulate the cycle.
I probably can get the paint inside. Good idea on the nightlight.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:13 am
by Jaysen
the switch to LED does have some downsides... can't do that with an LED bulb.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:57 am
by Jeff
Eric, really good news on the potential sell of the building and land!!! I know that creates more issues but it would be nice to have a solid offer & close!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:06 am
by Eric1
Jacques, Would 3/8" bow and stern eyes be sufficient for this boat? Or should I go to 1/2"?
I want to order these and install them in case I have to take my build home.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:09 pm
by Fuzz
Dont worry about the epoxy. Even if it sits long enough to start becoming solid a warm water soak will bring it back. Hope all goes well with the sale and move.

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:19 pm
by jacquesmm
Eric1 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:06 am Jacques, Would 3/8" bow and stern eyes be sufficient for this boat? Or should I go to 1/2"?
I want to order these and install them in case I have to take my build home.
Do you mean diameter? Yes, 3/8 is more than enough on good backing plates. Don't be shy about making those one larger.

Sorry to hear that you have to move but the hull is complete and fair, you can work in good weather under one of those temporary garages or shelters.
I would go for that instead of spending $ on a warehouse unless you anyway need the warehouse for your machinery.

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:33 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Eric1 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:06 am Jacques, Would 3/8" bow and stern eyes be sufficient for this boat? Or should I go to 1/2"?
I want to order these and install them in case I have to take my build home.
Do you mean diameter? Yes, 3/8 is more than enough on good backing plates. Don't be shy about making those one larger.

Sorry to hear that you have to move but the hull is complete and fair, you can work in good weather under one of those temporary garages or shelters.
I would go for that instead of spending $ on a warehouse unless you anyway need the warehouse for your machinery.
Thank you Friend. I'm going to buy a trailer and finish it at home. I looked up the 3/8" eyes, they are rated at 16K pounds, 1/2" is at 24K.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:34 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:09 pm Dont worry about the epoxy. Even if it sits long enough to start becoming solid a warm water soak will bring it back. Hope all goes well with the sale and move.
Thanks Buddy

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:00 pm
by fallguy1000
Don't store paints and epoxies below freezing.

pita

And then if you want to use it; epoxy works poorly below 70F.

Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:57 am
by Eric1
Can you please give me and idea of the center of gravity as designed?
Trailer manufacturer needs to know.
Thank You Friend.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:55 pm
by jacquesmm
When complete, as designed, the LCG will be at 96" from the transom. Measured along the keel, from the transom tip, 96" forward.
It can vary a little bit with the bracket but you will also have some weights a little forward to compensate: 96" is fine for the trailer.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:04 pm
by Eric1
Thank you so very much!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:15 pm
by Eric1
Thanks To Jeff and Jacques I was able to sent all the info to Wesco Trailers here in Columbia to have my trailer made.
Waiting on them to respond.

I mount the first hardware on the boat. It's just temporary in order to bring it home.
I was a little nervous to get these on but it went smoothly.

Bow eye, needs locking nuts:

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Stern Eyes,came with locking nuts. I'm going to order a longer set so I can make a decent backing plate for them.
Installed parallel to sides of transom.

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Christmas was nice, all things considered. I spent a good bit of time with my girls baking cookies and stollen for gifts.
I lost a couple of relatives just before Christmas, My Grand Aunt passed at 95 and my last Uncle, Sammy, went home. I'm thankful for both them being a part of my life and will long remember them.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:34 am
by cape man
Yes to the bigger backing plates! Ask me how I know....

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:47 am
by Eric1
cape man wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:34 am Yes to the bigger backing plates! Ask me how I know....
Thanks Cape Man. I don't wanna ask!!

I ordered two longer stern eyes to correct the issue yesterday. Great Lakes Skipper offered me the option to return them but I decided to keep them for a possible future use. I also pulled the bow eye and put three layers of 12 oz. biax on the backing block. I think that will be enough. I have a bag of trimmings I've kept from previous glass work and is what I used.

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Re: Eric's C21 **Jacques**

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:18 pm
by Eric1
So much is changing with my life. Signed a contract for purchase of my building and real estate today.
I'm still trying to sell the last of our equipment. Buyer wants an empty building so I hope I can find a home for the machines.
I haven't gotten a great deal done in the boat. I'm just prepping her for the trailer I ordered.
I did glass the bow pad with three layers of 12oz. tape, I hope that sufficient.
I had to order new stern eyes as the first ones were too short. all of that is corrected now.

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I am widening my driveway for the move home. Since the boat will be outside I want to add limber holes so that collected water can drain.
Can you recommend a size? I was thinking 1/2". How close to the bottom of the stringers should I go? I've also thought of gluing in small pieces of PVC
to seal the wood. Is that a good idea? I will be sealing the voids with foam later in the build. I just think this is a good idea since the boat has to be outside during the rest of the build.

Thank Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:01 pm
by OrangeQuest
Have you thought about just getting a boat cover? All the epoxy that is exposed to sun light will need protection too till it is painted. I got Academy's cheapest before heading up to Chicago to bring my hull back to Houston. The cheapest one Academy sales made the trip with speeds up to 80mph.
A lot of the review whine about the fabric breaking down after a few years but you can get a UV protectant spray to make it last a long time. I use the stuff on my personal PFDs.
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/marine ... atid=11200

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:10 pm
by Fuzz
That bow eye looks both good and plenty stout. Not sure how much wind and rain you get there but what ever you use to cover the boat needs to be easy to put on and take off. If not you will skip doing short jobs as it is not worth the effort needed to remove the cover.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:59 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:01 pm Have you thought about just getting a boat cover? All the epoxy that is exposed to sun light will need protection too till it is painted. I got Academy's cheapest before heading up to Chicago to bring my hull back to Houston. The cheapest one Academy sales made the trip with speeds up to 80mph.
A lot of the review whine about the fabric breaking down after a few years but you can get a UV protectant spray to make it last a long time. I use the stuff on my personal PFDs.
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/marine ... atid=11200
Yes, That's the plan. I've never owned one that water didn't somehow get past it though.
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:10 pm That bow eye looks both good and plenty stout. Not sure how much wind and rain you get there but what ever you use to cover the boat needs to be easy to put on and take off. If not you will skip doing short jobs as it is not worth the effort needed to remove the cover.
Thanks Friend. We get a lot at times. Pouring today and tomorrow as well as yesterday.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:13 am
by jacquesmm
The bow eye is fine for securing the boat on the trailer.

For the cover, many of our builders have used those temporary garage/shelters. You will have to change the canvas every 2 or 3 years but it is cheap compared to renting a spot. A cover over some bows cost even less if you don't mind removing it each time. The canvas will last a couple years.

For the limber holes in the finished hull, you only need them to drain wet lockers which are rare. For example, to drain a center line wet box, I would make them 2 or 3" diameter.
To drain during construction is another matter. You can skip them if you have a good tarp but if you want them, make them as small as possible like 1/2" and flush with the bottom. I hate to drill or cut through the fiberglass in that spot, I would not drill any hole and just be careful with the tarp.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:30 pm
by fallguy1000
If you are going to limber and keep them. Consider overboring and filling and reboring.

Too nice a boat to get rot via limbers.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:26 am
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:30 pm If you are going to limber and keep them. Consider overboring and filling and reboring.

Too nice a boat to get rot via limbers.
That's a good tip.

I decided to go ahead with these. They are temporary and will be filled and glassed prior to finishing the sole.
I went with small 3/8" holes and have coated them with epoxy thickened with silica.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:02 pm
by glossieblack
Good catching up with your progress Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:07 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:02 pm Good catching up with your progress Eric. :D
Thanks Glossie. I do wish there was more to report. Hopefully this will be behind me soon.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:17 am
by pee wee
Sounds like big changes going on, but not all bad!

Great to see you moving forward with things, that boat will see water yet. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:50 pm
by Eric1
I've been arranging things at home for the boat. I'm having the driveway widened and extended and a new pad poured next to my storage building.
Power company is going to set a pole and run incoming to the house to accommodate my new 12x24 building. Other than that I've been working on the transom drain. drilled it out and counterbored the exterior side for the drain. I coated that with neat epoxy. Next I did a quick layup on pcv to make a glass tube. That was fitted and epoxied this morning.

I think I'll leave this proud and not try to make it flush.
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Did the best I could on counter bore with dremel tool.
The white area is a gap between the glass tube and the counter bore. I plan to make a bit of epoxy putty to fill in the gap.
Laying on the cold concrete floor didn't help my hand shaking while I was using the dremel. The shipping blanket I was on didn't insulate me much.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:10 pm
by Jeff
Looks good Eric!! I assume it is pretty cold up there?? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:27 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:10 pm Looks good Eric!! I assume it is pretty cold up there?? Jeff
27 this morning, we're up to 39 with rain today.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:44 pm
by Jeff
That is cold!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:00 pm
by OrangeQuest
It does look good Eric!!

Put you some plywood down to keep the cold off you from the concrete. Even cheap thin stuff will do your whole body good.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:43 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:00 pm It does look good Eric!!

Put you some plywood down to keep the cold off you from the concrete. Even cheap thin stuff will do your whole body good.
Thank You Brother! I wish I'd had that thought this morning. :lol: Thanks for the tip. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking great Eric! Nice work!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:26 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:35 pm Looking great Eric! Nice work!!
Thanks Richard!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:35 pm
by fallguy1000
So is it Stephen or Eric? Just confused and maybe forgetful.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:10 pm
by Eric1
Stephen Eric Foster, I go by Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:52 pm
by Eric1
Well that was fun. I couldn't find 5200 so I bought Seabrite 8200. It's supposed to be the same thing.
Transom drain has been installed and I did final install on the bow and stern eyes.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:34 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Eric!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:49 pm
by Jeff
Did you get your trailer? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:22 pm
by Eric1
Jeff wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:49 pm Did you get your trailer? Jeff
Nope, Still Waiting.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:53 pm
by Fuzz
Not surprised at all but dang you do nice work Eric :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:15 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:53 pm Not surprised at all but dang you do nice work Eric :D
Thanks Brother. You're very kind. :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:21 am
by Dan_Smullen
Definitely clean.

Looks like you taped off the bow eye before smearing 5200 all over everything.

Good thinking!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:30 am
by cape man
A 5200 (and 4200) application trick I saw at my friend's marine fab shop... WD40 cleans off any squeeze out or smears beautifully before it sets.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:41 pm
by Jeff
Good tip Cape Man!!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:04 pm
by piperdown
Nice clean work as always Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:52 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! yes that bow eye was taped off. I got a little lazy and didn't trim the tape to form. :lol:
I decided to go with "good enough" on that.
Thanks for the tip cape man, I wish I knew about that before I did this.
My stupid gout flared up Monday afternoon. I spent yesterday at home enjoying the pain. :x
If I can tolerate wearing a shoe I'll see if this has set up and tighten down the hardware.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:24 am
by Eric1
I just checked on the 8200. It has set up and I've torqued everything back.
I also took a picture of the hole saw plug where I cut the transom.
I was amazed at the build of glass there! The lower side in the picture is the exterior.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:48 am
by Jeff
Nice!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:31 am
by piperdown
Looks a little weak in my opinion :lol:

Seriously, that transom is a beast!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:53 am
by Eric1
piperdown wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:31 am Looks a little weak in my opinion :lol:

Seriously, that transom is a beast!!
:lol: :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:37 am
by PNWcx25
Eric,

I've watched your build and life story with amazement. Life often sets us up so that we can take a different path. I'm a retired CNC sales engineer located in Vancouver, Washington just north of Portland, Oregon. My neighbor is currently outsourcing enough machine parts to keep 10 - 12 verticals busy and would like to set up his own shop and keep control of the process. He is looking for someone with your background to manage it and who maybe looking for opportunity elsewhere. I know this is brief but I have relayed your story, taken from here, and he would very much like to talk to you. PM me if you are interested.

Regards

Tony

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:55 am
by OneWayTraffic
Opportunity knocks...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:36 am
by Eric1
Hi Guys, Just checking in. No boat building until I can get her home.
The constant rain is preventing any progress on the move. I need a week of dry weather to get the powerline moved,
another storage building brought home and a Bunch of concrete poured.
My trailer did come in so I thought I post pictures.

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I thought this was kinda cool. Two speed winch, Completely unexpected.
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This was an extra I paid for. Spare tire carrier with spare axle.
Now if I can figure out how to rust proof it.
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Pretty happy with it. I did ask for a keel roller that isn't there though. :cry:
I'll be addressing this with the manufacturer at some point. I'm running out of fight with all the crap going on.
I am having trouble selling the last machines and that has to happen in order to close the sell of the property.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:45 am
by Jeff
Nice looking trailer Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:21 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Ohhh! That’s pretty!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:04 pm
by cape man
Now if I can figure out how to rust proof it.
Never use the trailer anywhere near water :P :P

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:09 pm
by OrangeQuest
It is a nice looking trailer.

Looks like your spare axle is not assembled. Can you mount the hub on the axle with grease and everything so all you have to do is unbolt the bad axle and bolt on the new one? Or am I looking at it all wrong? :doh:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:30 pm
by Eric1
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:09 pm It is a nice looking trailer.

Looks like your spare axle is not assembled. Can you mount the hub on the axle with grease and everything so all you have to do is unbolt the bad axle and bolt on the new one? Or am I looking at it all wrong? :doh:
I'm not sure to be honest.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:12 pm
by Jaysen
Wheel is mounted on the axle flange.
Bearing surface is showing flash.
Castle nut holding it all on should be visible on inside face of hub.

Seems to me it’ll be hard to keep the flash off. Thick layer of grease and then a plastic wrap? Not sure if the mounting brackets are bearing surfaces but seems like those holes might cause some surface gall on the axle.

Can’t wait to see the hull sitting in there...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:17 pm
by Bogieman
Nice!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
It looks like the part with the castle nut is the spindle. A seal, big bearing, hub, little bearing, washer with a key or flat The nut and the cotter pin. Last the hub cap. But it looks like the hub is on the axle side of the spindle? It looks like it leaves the clearance areas for the bearings exposed to the elements.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:02 am
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:11 am
by Eric1
Thank You Glossie! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:24 am
by Eric1
Finally the rain held off long enough to get my storage building in place.
Now for concrete and Duke energy to move the power line.

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We have roughly thirty days to vacate the building. I ask y'all to pray for me as I deal with moving unsold equipment.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:12 am
by Jeff
Eric, very nice storage building!!! Call me when you have a minute!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:07 pm
by Eric1
I spent this morning cutting rubber strips for my tanks.
I beveled the edges with a belt sander to make them easier to pull in and out.
Held in place with packing tape for fitting purposes.
The sides used the 1/4" thick strips as projected. The long ends only had room for an inner tube thickness.
Tank Manufacturer recommends gluing these to the tank with 5200. I've seen some builds where y'all have glued the rubber to the boat.
I'm not sure it matters.

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Fitted and checked for level!

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The next task is to get it on the trailer to take home.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:31 pm
by OrangeQuest
looking very good Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:07 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:07 pm I spent this morning cutting rubber strips for my tanks.
I beveled the edges with a belt sander to make them easier to pull in and out.
Held in place with packing tape for fitting purposes.
The sides used the 1/4" thick strips as projected. The long ends only had room for an inner tube thickness.
Tank Manufacturer recommends gluing these to the tank with 5200. I've seen some builds where y'all have glued the rubber to the boat.
I'm not sure it matters.

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Fitted and checked for level!

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The next task is to get it on the trailer to take home.
5200 takes forever to dry, so install it where you are less likely to bump it (in the boat). Otherwise, use the 5200 and out ship tapes back on for 7-14 days.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:09 pm
by fallguy1000
5200~devil spit~so slow to cure but once it does~uff da

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:25 pm
by Fuzz
The theory is to glue the rubber to the tank with enough 5200 so that no water can get between the rubber and the tank. If you glued to the hull it could leave water between the rubber and tank causing corrosion. At least this is what I have read and how Speedy Tanks said to do it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:29 pm
by Eric1
She's on the trailer! Winch is to low, New one on the way. Bunks need small adjustments, retailer is going to use his lift to correct this.
Man is it up in the air. Climbing in and out just got a lot tougher but I'll get used to it.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:53 pm
by glossieblack
What a journey, what a milestone. Congratulations. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:54 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric that is a big boat! Looks really good on a trailer!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:26 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:27 pm
by Jeff
Looks great Eric!!! Get that winch adjusted!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:03 pm
by Fuzz
You see the fender reflecting on the side telling just how smooth that girl is :D
I am sure you know this but when you get her home try to set up storage next to the hull and at gunnel height. That will save you a ton of crawling in and out.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Outstanding work. 8)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:05 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:29 pm She's on the trailer! Winch is to low, New one on the way. Bunks need small adjustments, retailer is going to use his lift to correct this.
Man is it up in the air. Climbing in and out just got a lot tougher but I'll get used to it.

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Get a ladder. One of the ways I destroyed my hip was hopping outta my boat. After you hit a certain age; your cartlidge is no longer soft and cannot take impacts. I am getting a ladder for my boat this year.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:03 pm You see the fender reflecting on the side telling just how smooth that girl is :D
I am sure you know this but when you get her home try to set up storage next to the hull and at gunnel height. That will save you a ton of crawling in and out.
I hope to use my scaffolds but my driveway slope a good bit. I'm gonna try but I have concerns.
I haven't found a cover to fit it yet. The guy I bought the trailer from is going to reach out to a boat manufacturer for help.
A lot about having to finish her at home is going to suck. I've decided to embrace the suck and push forward as best I can.
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:43 pm Outstanding work. 8)
Thank you!
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:05 am
Get a ladder. One of the ways I destroyed my hip was hopping outta my boat. After you hit a certain age; your cartlidge is no longer soft and cannot take impacts. I am getting a ladder for my boat this year.
Good advice! I'll most likely have to build one. My check engine light came on around 50 and it won't go out.
Since my heart attack I wear out faster. Around 3 in the afternoon after working from 7'ish I'm tired. I've got
a long way to go yet and I don't know what I'm doing but I am going to do the best I can!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:32 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 am
Fuzz wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:03 pm You see the fender reflecting on the side telling just how smooth that girl is :D
I am sure you know this but when you get her home try to set up storage next to the hull and at gunnel height. That will save you a ton of crawling in and out.
I hope to use my scaffolds but my driveway slope a good bit. I'm gonna try but I have concerns.
I haven't found a cover to fit it yet. The guy I bought the trailer from is going to reach out to a boat manufacturer for help.
A lot about having to finish her at home is going to suck. I've decided to embrace the suck and push forward as best I can.
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:43 pm Outstanding work. 8)
Thank you!
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:05 am
Get a ladder. One of the ways I destroyed my hip was hopping outta my boat. After you hit a certain age; your cartlidge is no longer soft and cannot take impacts. I am getting a ladder for my boat this year.
Good advice! I'll most likely have to build one. My check engine light came on around 50 and it won't go out.
Since my heart attack I wear out faster. Around 3 in the afternoon after working from 7'ish I'm tired. I've got
a long way to go yet and I don't know what I'm doing but I am going to do the best I can!
Me, too. ...on the afternoon tiredness; light cardio needed

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:01 pm
by Fuzz
If there is any way possible I would build a set of stairs. You are going to be in and out a million times and using a ladder is just asking for a fall. It is amazing how much time and energy you spend just crawling in and out of the hull. When I built larger boats I hired a minimum wage helper. Minimum was all he was worth but just having him there to hand me stuff from outside the hull was worth every penny and then some.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:30 pm
by Jeff
Good guidance Fuzz!!! Stairs would clearly be safer!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:45 pm
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 am Since my heart attack I wear out faster. Around 3 in the afternoon after working from 7'ish I'm tired. I've got
a long way to go yet and I don't know what I'm doing but I am going to do the best I can!
Get you a activity tracker that Bluetooth to your phone. I have one by Garmin and it shows my stress, steps I take, heart rate and even energy levels. Tracks my sleep patterns too. If it detects I am stressing to much it vibrates my wrist and then tells me to relax. Lets me know to I need to move more. I also down loaded MyFitnessPal and it works with my activity tracker on how much I eat verses exercise. Which, it doesn't have any activity for "work" or boat building.

Weekends I get really busy, it can track up to 20,000 steps in a day. It has been a very stressful day for me and it shows I have only 35% energy left (2:45 PM) and my day started at 3:00 AM.

I even have it set to let me know if it detects erratic heart beat. It was worth the money. At a glance I can see why I feel worn out and can make adjustments. But you know here in Texas everyone asks how you are doing or the short question, "howdy?" now I can show them!! :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:14 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:01 pm If there is any way possible I would build a set of stairs. You are going to be in and out a million times and using a ladder is just asking for a fall. It is amazing how much time and energy you spend just crawling in and out of the hull. When I built larger boats I hired a minimum wage helper. Minimum was all he was worth but just having him there to hand me stuff from outside the hull was worth every penny and then some.
I'm with you on this, I just have to figure how to get it done. Waiting on all the rain to stop, holding up my drive being widened.

OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:45 pm
Get you a activity tracker that Bluetooth to your phone. I have one by Garmin and it shows my stress, steps I take, heart rate and even energy levels. Tracks my sleep patterns too. If it detects I am stressing to much it vibrates my wrist and then tells me to relax. Lets me know to I need to move more. I also down loaded MyFitnessPal and it works with my activity tracker on how much I eat verses exercise. Which, it doesn't have any activity for "work" or boat building.

Weekends I get really busy, it can track up to 20,000 steps in a day. It has been a very stressful day for me and it shows I have only 35% energy left (2:45 PM) and my day started at 3:00 AM.

I even have it set to let me know if it detects erratic heart beat. It was worth the money. At a glance I can see why I feel worn out and can make adjustments. But you know here in Texas everyone asks how you are doing or the short question, "howdy?" now I can show them!! :wink:


I'll look into this. I need to replace my treadmill with a bike. That is going to happen. Thanks for caring enough to share your insight.
It is appreciated a bunch.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:33 am
by Eric1
I thought I'd update where things are. The boat is at the dealer where I purchased the trailer.
He had the trailer company talk with me direct on the phone to spec out the trailer build. The trailer is not right. The winch is to low and needs to have a taller stand to work. i adjust the bunks to fit correctly in width however the angles don't match the bottom of my hull. When the dealer came to my shop he started telling me how to correct everything. Okay, pause right here... The trailer manufacturer told me a much lower figure than what I was charged by dealer (about $900). Keep that in mind! Back to dealer conversation, I reminded him that my paid invoice showed a $495 charge for trailer setup. He claimed at the the time of transaction he put money there so I wouldn't have sales tax on that portion. being a labor charge there is no sales tax in SC. I told him you made about a grand by making a phone call and the trailer builder and I did the rest. I kindly explained to him you will be correcting the trailer issues. I explained to him you have a boat lift and the tools needed to do the work and I have proof that you charged me for said work. So that's being taken care of.

I am very close to being out of the building. We are suppose to close the real estate next Friday. I have all of the remaining machines sold at 40k. The machines are worth over 125k but I am at the bitter end of my rope and need them gone. The buyer can't have them rigged and shipped until the following week. The realtor (buyer's) didn't like the news but tough titty. I need until the end of the month to be out completely. I have been bring things home and just putting them in the new building. All of this has to be organized before I can return to boat building. My old building needs the same thing plus floor repair, some wood rot replaced and new paint. It's over 20 years old and it shows. I still have a large drill press, a pedestal belt sander and a pedestal grinder to bring home. I'm bring home my scaffolds but I'm not sure if they'll work because of my down slope in my driveway. At any rate they cost to much to scrape.

I am still waiting on dry weather to have concrete poured at home. Until that happen the boat will just have a tarp. After I have concrete I hope to have a double wide custom carport made.

Beyond all of this what ever money I get from selling the real estate is subject to capital gains tax. Had my Father shown the business transfer as an inheritance this would not be the case. Not sure how all of this will shake out but I'd hoped to keep my money for retirement.

That's it for now. All in all I'm happy this mess is coming to an end. I know many of y'all have had me in your thoughts as this has unrolled and I'm thankful for that. Have a blessed weekend!! Love Y'all

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:07 am
by Jaysen
As much as the circumstances suck donkey, I’m thrilled that there’s and end in sight for you. You’ve endured what would have destroyed many a man. I hope I have been as good an example of how to behave in adversity for my children as you have been to yours.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:43 pm
by Jeff
Eric, it is almost over, hold-on as better days are ahead for you!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:05 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys. All I can say is I've had my moments of anger and frustration. On the bright side I'm not in jail and I haven't killed anyone. :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:04 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:05 pm Thanks Guys. All I can say is I've had my moments of anger and frustration. On the bright side I'm not in jail and I haven't killed anyone. :lol:
There!! That is the bright side! Hope the hard days will soon be behind you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:38 am
by Eric1
It's been a while. I hope all of y'all are doing well. They guys are finally getting my concrete poured!! I'll have the boat home next week and I can get back at it. :D :D :D

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:39 am
by Jeff
Eric, that looks great!! Did you get your power lines moved as well?? Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:09 pm
by danieloldhouse
Fine Eric!!! Keep on fighting 👍👍👍
I'd like desappearing that 3d "C21 for sale" once for all, that boat could only belong to you :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:34 pm
by Fuzz
That is going to be nice having the boat right there at home.
Only two guaranties I have ever heard about concrete. It will crack and nobody is going to steal it :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:20 pm
by TomW1
Eric, I am so glad the end of the tunnel is in sight for you. I finally got my hip replaced and am back home, from when I fell in November.

Well congrats and God Bless.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:54 pm
by Eric1
TomW1 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:20 pm Eric, I am so glad the end of the tunnel is in sight for you. I finally got my hip replaced and am back home, from when I fell in November.

Well congrats and God Bless.

Tom
Good to hear from you Tom. I hope you are doing well with the new hip. You need anything call and I'll try to out run the N.C. troopers!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:09 am
by MikeyGnz
Since you are doing bow eye and trailer have you considered a self retrieve latch?

The one we have is just a hook below the bow eye and a loop on an over-center mechanism on the trailer.

To Launch: With the over-center lever in the retrieve position let out some winch rope until the hook and loop are holding the boat. Disconnect winch hook from boat and move lever to launch position. Get in boat, put engine half down and put some power on to move boat about an inch forward on the trailer. once the weight of the boat is off the loop the loop drops down and take power off to roll back off trailer into the water.

To Retrieve: With lever in the retrieve position and outboard half up/down drive onto trailer until hook catches in loop. Get out, hook on winch just in case and drive car+trailer+boat up the ramp.

I've seen some really complicated ones going for $1,000ish but the one we got was cheap. Dark right now but I'll get some photos tomorrow.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:02 pm
by Jeff
TomW1, really good to hear from you and glad to see you back in the forum!!!! I hope you do really well with the new hip!!!! Sorry for the high-Jack Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:07 am
by MikeyGnz
Hi Eric

As promised in my last post here are photos of the self-launch and self-retrieve latch. Makes it far easier when on my own. Both photos show it in the retrieve position. In the launch position the loop drops down to clear the hook on the bottom of the bow eye. I have also seen them done with a movable weight or some bungy cord instead of a spring. I'm sure you could fabricate something that would work for you.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:27 am
by glossieblack
TomW1 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:20 pm Eric, I am so glad the end of the tunnel is in sight for you. I finally got my hip replaced and am back home, from when I fell in November.

Well congrats and God Bless.

Tom
Just caught up with this post. Wonderful news Eric and Tom the way things are looking up for both of you. And it's nice the way you look out for each other. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 am
by glossieblack
How goes it Eric?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:01 pm
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 am How goes it Eric?
Hi Glossieblack, Thanks for asking. I still don't have my boat home. I'm getting very frustrated with the dealer. Every excuse from Covid19 to 'waiting on parts" and "I forgot to order them"...Yada yada yada. :x If he wishes to be considered for the outboard he's running out of time.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:13 pm
by Fuzz
Man that would make me nuts! But it id good to hear from you either way.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:22 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Agree with Fuzz, really good to hear from you!! Do you mean he still has your trailer?? If so, that is just ridiculous!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 6:16 pm
by OrangeQuest
Times two as to what Jeff and Fuzz said.

Nice to see you post Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 1:42 am
by Eric1
Yes, He still has my boat and trailer. :x :x :x

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:37 am
by cape man
If he's overwhelmed with business and work that's one thing. If he's not working, he's the only one in the boat world that isn't if your area is anything like Florida. You might mention the outboard option to see if that motivates him... 8) Even then you may want to shop around for any future work, including the outboard.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:15 am
by Eric1
Hi guys, The fiasco with my trailer is not over. I went to pick up my boat yesterday having been told it was ready. The winch stand was replaced and that issue has been resolved. The bunks were shimmed but they still don't match my transom. The owner of the place has been to busy to return my calls. I'm hot, Damn Hot! I'm going back today and I won't be leaving until I'm heard. If he can't correct the trailer then he can tow it back to Columbia to the Manufacturer to be corrected. Other than that he can refund my money and I'll purchase a trailer from another company.
Another issue is the transom straps I purchased from them are to short. It was noted when he came to the shop to get the trailer. You'd think from March to June he had enough time to order a longer set...Nope.
On a side note, Do prisons have internet?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:31 am
by cape man
I hope you get it resolved. Don't lose your temper with him. My father taught me that the guy with the cool head who spoke softly would always win when others are losing their minds and misbehaving. Be firm and direct without showing anger. Works most of the time for me... :help:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:28 am
by BB Sig
Sorry to hear about the troubles. That is frustrating! :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:52 am
by Jeff
Sorry Eric!! I agree this has taken way too long to resolve!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:19 am
by OrangeQuest
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:15 am Hi guys, The fiasco with my trailer is not over. I went to pick up my boat yesterday having been told it was ready. The winch stand was replaced and that issue has been resolved. The bunks were shimmed but they still don't match my transom. The owner of the place has been to busy to return my calls. I'm hot, Damn Hot! I'm going back today and I won't be leaving until I'm heard. If he can't correct the trailer then he can tow it back to Columbia to the Manufacturer to be corrected. Other than that he can refund my money and I'll purchase a trailer from another company.
Another issue is the transom straps I purchased from them are to short. It was noted when he came to the shop to get the trailer. You'd think from March to June he had enough time to order a longer set...Nope.
On a side note, Do prisons have internet?
With all the problems you are going through it is nice to see you have not lost your sense of humor.

Hope everything gets worked out for you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:44 pm
by Capt UB
Just wanted to add a bit of humor....

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I'm not saying cut his...... off!!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:32 pm
by narfi
Capt UB wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:44 pm Just wanted to add a bit of humor....
don't you think it is a little crass to be talking about someones 'little' antenna?
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:30 pm
by BB Sig
narfi wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:32 pm
Capt UB wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:44 pm Just wanted to add a bit of humor....
don't you think it is a little crass to be talking about someones 'little' antenna?
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(also intended to add humor)

Thanks! You caused me to spit out a swig of a nice single malt!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:08 am
by Eric1
I thought I'd share this with everyone. In early January I ordered a boat trailer From Gotcha Covered Boat Marine at lake Bowen on Hwy 9. The boat is a unfinished custom I've been building myself over the last few years. David Grayshock was called and he came to my machine shop to discuss my needs. I told him we were in the process of selling the shop and real estate and that time was a factor. We at the time had to be out of the property by the end of February. He looked at the boat and I showed him the drawings at which time he put me in touch with Wesco trailers out of Columbia SC. There I spoke with Jeremy and gave details about what I wanted and needed. Detailed dimensions were sent and he recommended the trailer I needed. The trailer came in around the beginning of March. David brought the trailer to the shop for me. It was beautiful! Thankfully the closing date was pushed out on the sale of the property so I had access to a forklift to help get the boat from the build cradle an onto the trailer. Once on the trailer I found issues. The winch stand was far to short. I could get get the bunks adjusted to fit the hull of the boat and the didn't match the hull of my boat. I called the number I'd been using to reach David. His sister answered and told me that it was her cell but she would have David call me. He did and I told him he needed to come take a look at the situation. A few hours later he showed up. He got on the phone with Jeremy at Westco and after the call he told me that Westco was sending a taller winch stand overnight. I asked what about the mismatched bunks, He said he'd get back with Jeremy and see what could be done. He also told me that it was easy to correct and all I had to do was replace the winch stand. I told him No, You take the boat and get it corrected you charged me $900 as a trailer setup and besides I have to be out of here at the end of the week and I won't have a lift to get the boat off the trailer. He agreed it would be easier for him to do it as he has the needed equipment. I further told him the boat can not sit outside as the inside is unfinished bare epoxy and the UV rays from the sun will destroy it. He informed me he has a friend at Scout boats that sometimes sends their people to make boat covers as training and he'd reach out to them. I told him excellent but if they can't do it purchase a tarp and I'll pay you for it when I pick up the boat. All of that conversation was witnessed. Time passes by with me calling to check, no one calls me, It is now mid to late May. I called to check on it and was told, "Oh, It's ready we've tried to call you. There is no record on my cell of a call. One of the times previous I was told this before by David and I gave him my cell number at that time. It was given when he made out the sales receipt and informed my old home number was disconnected. So any way, My Brother and I go to pickup the boat. David was out front showing a pontoon to someone so I didn't interrupt. I went in the office and they had one of their mechanics show me to the boat. The only thing that had been done was the winch stand was corrected. Beyond that the boat was UNCOVERED!! I was ticked off and told the mechanic I needed to speak with David immediately. He asked me to wait with the boat and he would go get him. He comes back and tells me he can't find him. I told him I'm not taking the boat, for what I paid $4700 I expect it to be right. I also told him to tell David to get it covered as the sun is already damaging the fiberglass. I walk to the office and ask for David the mechanic by my side. His sister says he was just here. I looked outside and his truck is sitting there. I told her what I told her employee, get it corrected and get it covered up. Call me when you have it correct on the trailer. More time passes, I get in touch with Jeremy at Westco It was now June. He told me he would have bunks cut and delivered to David. I had to follow up because Gotcha Covered wasn't doing much about it. I followed up with Jeremy July 21st and was told they are trying to get them done that week. August 6 another email to Jeremy, When are the bunks going to ship to Gotcha Covered? He replies they were delivered three days ago. Still nothing from David at Gotcha Covered. Finally I call David on August 29th. An employee answered and told me it's been ready and that they tried to call me. Again no history on my cell. Tuesday of this week my Brother and I go pick up my boat. While discussing the tie down straps with his sister, David sticks his head out of his office to see who she's talking to, When he makes eye contact with me he quickly ducks back in his office. I don't care, The trailer is finally corrected! However Gotcha Covered never covered my boat!! The inside has a lot of damage and it's going to cost me in time and money to repair before I can continue building. Now I know why he was acting afraid, having not kept his word he was frightened. Instead of facing me and addressing the issue he acted in Cowardice. It was silly, I intend him no harm. Though I may well pursue the matter in court. I'll decide after consulting my lawyer. For now all I can tell you is David Grayshock at Gotcha Covered Boat and Marine is much less than scrupulous and should be avoided at all costs. I hope he sees this and I hope he gets his act together. This is not the way a Christian should conduct business and I will never spend another penny with them. Below are before and after photos of the damage.

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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:31 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:08 am I thought I'd share this with everyone. In early January I ordered a boat trailer From Gotcha Covered Boat Marine at lake Bowen on Hwy 9. The boat is a unfinished custom I've been building myself over the last few years. David Grayshock was called and he came to my machine shop to discuss my needs. I told him we were in the process of selling the shop and real estate and that time was a factor. We at the time had to be out of the property by the end of February. He looked at the boat and I showed him the drawings at which time he put me in touch with Wesco trailers out of Columbia SC. There I spoke with Jeremy and gave details about what I wanted and needed. Detailed dimensions were sent and he recommended the trailer I needed. The trailer came in around the beginning of March. David brought the trailer to the shop for me. It was beautiful! Thankfully the closing date was pushed out on the sale of the property so I had access to a forklift to help get the boat from the build cradle an onto the trailer. Once on the trailer I found issues. The winch stand was far to short. I could get get the bunks adjusted to fit the hull of the boat and the didn't match the hull of my boat. I called the number I'd been using to reach David. His sister answered and told me that it was her cell but she would have David call me. He did and I told him he needed to come take a look at the situation. A few hours later he showed up. He got on the phone with Jeremy at Westco and after the call he told me that Westco was sending a taller winch stand overnight. I asked what about the mismatched bunks, He said he'd get back with Jeremy and see what could be done. He also told me that it was easy to correct and all I had to do was replace the winch stand. I told him No, You take the boat and get it corrected you charged me $900 as a trailer setup and besides I have to be out of here at the end of the week and I won't have a lift to get the boat off the trailer. He agreed it would be easier for him to do it as he has the needed equipment. I further told him the boat can not sit outside as the inside is unfinished bare epoxy and the UV rays from the sun will destroy it. He informed me he has a friend at Scout boats that sometimes sends their people to make boat covers as training and he'd reach out to them. I told him excellent but if they can't do it purchase a tarp and I'll pay you for it when I pick up the boat. All of that conversation was witnessed. Time passes by with me calling to check, no one calls me, It is now mid to late May. I called to check on it and was told, "Oh, It's ready we've tried to call you. There is no record on my cell of a call. One of the times previous I was told this before by David and I gave him my cell number at that time. It was given when he made out the sales receipt and informed my old home number was disconnected. So any way, My Brother and I go to pickup the boat. David was out front showing a pontoon to someone so I didn't interrupt. I went in the office and they had one of their mechanics show me to the boat. The only thing that had been done was the winch stand was corrected. Beyond that the boat was UNCOVERED!! I was ticked off and told the mechanic I needed to speak with David immediately. He asked me to wait with the boat and he would go get him. He comes back and tells me he can't find him. I told him I'm not taking the boat, for what I paid $4700 I expect it to be right. I also told him to tell David to get it covered as the sun is already damaging the fiberglass. I walk to the office and ask for David the mechanic by my side. His sister says he was just here. I looked outside and his truck is sitting there. I told her what I told her employee, get it corrected and get it covered up. Call me when you have it correct on the trailer. More time passes, I get in touch with Jeremy at Westco It was now June. He told me he would have bunks cut and delivered to David. I had to follow up because Gotcha Covered wasn't doing much about it. I followed up with Jeremy July 21st and was told they are trying to get them done that week. August 6 another email to Jeremy, When are the bunks going to ship to Gotcha Covered? He replies they were delivered three days ago. Still nothing from David at Gotcha Covered. Finally I call David on August 29th. An employee answered and told me it's been ready and that they tried to call me. Again no history on my cell. Tuesday of this week my Brother and I go pick up my boat. While discussing the tie down straps with his sister, David sticks his head out of his office to see who she's talking to, When he makes eye contact with me he quickly ducks back in his office. I don't care, The trailer is finally corrected! However Gotcha Covered never covered my boat!! The inside has a lot of damage and it's going to cost me in time and money to repair before I can continue building. Now I know why he was acting afraid, having not kept his word he was frightened. Instead of facing me and addressing the issue he acted in Cowardice. It was silly, I intend him no harm. Though I may well pursue the matter in court. I'll decide after consulting my lawyer. For now all I can tell you is David Grayshock at Gotcha Covered Boat and Marine is much less than scrupulous and should be avoided at all costs. I hope he sees this and I hope he gets his act together. This is not the way a Christian should conduct business and I will never spend another penny with them. Below are before and after photos of the damage.

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Just get the sander out Eric. You can fix that if that is the after

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:36 am
by BB Sig
Sorry to hear about more problems for you! :(

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:44 am
by fallguy1000
ps - they are a lousy business if they back burner you, but expecting a free cover is a bit perplexing; a 19' custom boat cover is about $1000 here - someone overpromised

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:31 pm
by BrianC
I'd say that a review (or two!) would be well in order: https://www.google.com/search?q=gotcha+ ... a2002,1,,,

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:11 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:44 am ps - they are a lousy business if they back burner you, but expecting a free cover is a bit perplexing; a 19' custom boat cover is about $1000 here - someone overpromised
No Sir, I was clear on that. If they didn't want to make one for me for free I'd gladly have paid for one. I expected nothing for free. I never do.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:33 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:11 pm
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:44 am ps - they are a lousy business if they back burner you, but expecting a free cover is a bit perplexing; a 19' custom boat cover is about $1000 here - someone overpromised
No Sir, I was clear on that. If they didn't want to make one for me for free I'd gladly have paid for one. I expected nothing for free. I never do.
Good luck sanding Eric. Boat looks pretty good. Could have been worse if it had gotten rained on...

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:49 pm
by Eric1
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:33 pm
Eric1 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:11 pm
fallguy1000 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:44 am ps - they are a lousy business if they back burner you, but expecting a free cover is a bit perplexing; a 19' custom boat cover is about $1000 here - someone overpromised
No Sir, I was clear on that. If they didn't want to make one for me for free I'd gladly have paid for one. I expected nothing for free. I never do.
Good luck sanding Eric. Boat looks pretty good. Could have been worse if it had gotten rained on...
Thanks I'll get it sorted. It got a ton of rain but I decided to put limber holes in it before it left the shop. I'm so glad I did. :wink:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:17 pm
by cape man
This too will pass. Glad she's back with you!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:25 pm
by Jeff
Yep Eric, really bad service from your trailer provider!!! You will get through it!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:40 am
by TomW1
Eric sorry to here your bad news. What a bummer you could not even work on her while they had her.

Your bud.

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:53 am
by Eric1
Thanks Guys,

I'll get through it. I just feel wronged.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:24 pm
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:53 am Thanks Guys,

I'll get through it. I just feel wronged.
You were backburnered. There was no money in it and they treated you as such. That is shitty, but common in America. Not all, but some guys get super busy in spring and try to make a ton of ching, but the guy should have some shame. Some people don't.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:06 am
by narfi
Hey Eric, was thinking about you today, hope all is going well and you are able to work on your boat a little.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:02 pm
by piperdown
narfi wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:06 am Hey Eric, was thinking about you today, hope all is going well and you are able to work on your boat a little.
He's too busy making sausages.......

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:42 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Eric1 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:07 pm I spent this morning cutting rubber strips for my tanks.
I beveled the edges with a belt sander to make them easier to pull in and out.
Held in place with packing tape for fitting purposes.
The sides used the 1/4" thick strips as projected. The long ends only had room for an inner tube thickness.
Tank Manufacturer recommends gluing these to the tank with 5200. I've seen some builds where y'all have glued the rubber to the boat.
I'm not sure it matters.

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Fitted and checked for level!

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The next task is to get it on the trailer to take home.
A throw back post to last February!

Eric, can you tell me the dimension to the centerline of the fill inlet and the diameter? I'm trying to figure out my tank options.

Thanks!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:40 am
by Eric1
narfi wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:06 am Hey Eric, was thinking about you today, hope all is going well and you are able to work on your boat a little.
Hi Narfi, Thanks for the thoughts Brother. I'm doing well now. I got in the boat the other day and started cleaning up the mess. I'll have to replace some of the wood and sand and recoat the rest of the work. My Brother is supposed to come help me get the tarp over the boat today. I looked into extending the roof of my house over the boat but the 28k price was to much. I hoped to get a shelter over it but my drive in poured on a down grade and all of the prefab crap is engineered for a level surface.

While the stress has gone from the business closing and family issues I found myself struggling from depression from it all, boat included. I've started a small business from home making and selling sausages, salami, bacon, jerky etc. My Brother in law and I got together and sold fried turkey for Thanksgiving. We cooked forty of them by noon. I'm at the point that I don't mind waking up in the morning now and looking forward to the day.

Sorry I haven't been on the forum. Don't take this wrong but it was hard watching everyone's builds proceed while I felt like I did. Without question my worst enemy has been my mind. Any way , I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas. Love, Peace and Happiness to you all.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:51 am
by Jeff
Eric, It was nice talking with you this week. Glad to hear things have improved for you and your family!!! Merry Christmas to you and your family!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:40 am
by fallguy1000
Hello Eric...my to do list for my boat has literally like 200 things on it now.

I got a little overwhelmed and my production dropped off to like 2 a day. Or none on a Sunday.

I started making lists of all the stuff and the lists are daunting because they aren't even comprehensive, but they are helping and crossing stuff off is a new, fun game.

Best of luck.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:24 am
by Jaysen
Eric, lesser men have not recovered from a life half as eventful as yours. You've no reason to explain or apologize. I'm glad to see you are back to the forum.

Are you selling on line? I figure ... I eat those things. I would much rather give my $$ to someone I know.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:31 am
by gstanfield
Eric1 wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:40 am
narfi wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:06 am Hey Eric, was thinking about you today, hope all is going well and you are able to work on your boat a little.
Hi Narfi, Thanks for the thoughts Brother. I'm doing well now. I got in the boat the other day and started cleaning up the mess. I'll have to replace some of the wood and sand and recoat the rest of the work. My Brother is supposed to come help me get the tarp over the boat today. I looked into extending the roof of my house over the boat but the 28k price was to much. I hoped to get a shelter over it but my drive in poured on a down grade and all of the prefab crap is engineered for a level surface.

While the stress has gone from the business closing and family issues I found myself struggling from depression from it all, boat included. I've started a small business from home making and selling sausages, salami, bacon, jerky etc. My Brother in law and I got together and sold fried turkey for Thanksgiving. We cooked forty of them by noon. I'm at the point that I don't mind waking up in the morning now and looking forward to the day.

Sorry I haven't been on the forum. Don't take this wrong but it was hard watching everyone's builds proceed while I felt like I did. Without question my worst enemy has been my mind. Any way , I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas. Love, Peace and Happiness to you all.
While we all have different lives, I’ve actually been through very similar seasons to what you’ve been dealing with and it sucks. I totally understand the situational depression and the trickle down results.

I’m happy to hear that you’ve broken through the mist and found a way to be happy with working, that is a huge milestone that many people never get to appreciate. Enjoy the things that bring you happiness, treasure the comfort of loved ones and have a blessed Christmas. I don’t post much, but I’ve been following your build. Whenever the stars align and you get back to the boat I’ll be anxiously awaiting the next chapter.

Have a great day
George

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:53 pm
by VT_Jeff
Ditto from Vemont Eric, so glad you're feeling better!

Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:14 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very happy to see you post that things are looking a little brighter Eric.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:58 am
by Eric1
Hello Everyone, Thank for the very kind replies.

Fallguy I think lists are a great idea! I use them as well when I'm in my right mind.

Jaysen, Good to hear from you. Look for me on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/stephen.foster.9 send me a friend request. That's open to everyone. I will sell online my salami, jerky and cured products. Things like fresh and smoked sausage, bacon means insulated containers and dry ice. The shipping is quite expensive. More often than not it equals/exceeds the product price. I just started a facebook page for my meat work. If you're interested here's the link... https://www.facebook.com/The-SC-Project-106580191204298

gstanfield I truly hate you had to chew through similar garbage in your life. I hope those days stay well behind!

VT_Jeff and Orangequest I thank y'all I thank you both for the well wishes!

I'm getting in the build to finish making my tarp frame. I'll post a few pictures later of it and some of my charcuterie.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:46 pm
by gstanfield
Eric1 wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:58 am Hello Everyone, Thank for the very kind replies.

Fallguy I think lists are a great idea! I use them as well when I'm in my right mind.

Jaysen, Good to hear from you. Look for me on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/stephen.foster.9 send me a friend request. That's open to everyone. I will sell online my salami, jerky and cured products. Things like fresh and smoked sausage, bacon means insulated containers and dry ice. The shipping is quite expensive. More often than not it equals/exceeds the product price. I just started a facebook page for my meat work. If you're interested here's the link... https://www.facebook.com/The-SC-Project-106580191204298

gstanfield I truly hate you had to chew through similar garbage in your life. I hope those days stay well behind!

VT_Jeff and Orangequest I thank y'all I thank you both for the well wishes!

I'm getting in the build to finish making my tarp frame. I'll post a few pictures later of it and some of my charcuterie.
So far that crap is behind me and staying put although to be honest it still haunts me from time to time, but such is life.

I "liked" your page on FB, see that you're not too far from my "home" of Toccoa, GA. We're leaving this week and headed back home which will be my first Christmas home in 18 years so I'm quite excited.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:30 am
by Eric1
gstanfield, I use to go by Toccoa once a week on business down in Gainesville. I liked the area. :)

Small endeavor completed yesterday. The first "Boat work" I've done since last February.
I got a little creative and framed the hull with 1" PVC. I had to change the form towards the bow. All of the compound curves made it a bit difficult.

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I had my brother stop by and help me secure the tarp. If you need to cover a C21 a 24 x 18 tarp is the ticket. It covers the top and drapes the sides enough to offer protection from the sun. This is not optimal for building but it will have to do.
It seemed to take forever. Pushing hooks through rubber tie downs was time consuming.
We are supposed to get rain Monday, We'll see if this is sufficient. :wink:

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Other than that,this is what I'm doing to make a little money.

Maple Brownsugar Buckboard bacon
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Habanero white cheddar Summer sausage going in the smoker
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Small piece of uncased. This is the leftover bit from stuffing.
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Last one is Three peppercorn Soppressata. This took ten weeks to dry.
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Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:32 am
by gstanfield
Boat and meat look good!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:17 pm
by Fuzz
That is some fine looking eats right there! Too bad I live so far away.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:18 pm
by OrangeQuest
I looked at this thread just before dinner, now I am REALLY hunger. THANKS! LOL

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:32 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Eric,

Great to hear from you and glad things are settling down a little. The boat cover looks great and is not surprisingly to the same level of craftsmanship we have come to enjoy from you and your posts.

The food looks amazing and I am going to have an enormous breakfast now having looked at your pictures with my mouth watering. Do you have a website yet for your food business?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:14 pm
by Eric1
Thanks Guys! Alan no website just the facebook page.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:58 pm
by narfi
Glad you are doing ok Eric, was worried about you.
The meats look delicious!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:37 pm
by OneWayTraffic
Thought about doing homekill? That's a decent business in NZ. People that have shot a deer or something, but don't have the ability to process it.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:00 pm
by Eric1
I do offer it but most folks here do their own.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:49 am
by swglenn
Congratulations on your new business enterprise. Something that sells well here (SW Louisiana) is Andouille sausage. It is used in a lot of cooking recipes. Let me know if you want me to send you a link so you can get an idea of the texture and flavor profile. A lot of hunters like to have their venison made into Slim Jim style sticks.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:29 pm
by Eric1
swglenn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:49 am Congratulations on your new business enterprise. Something that sells well here (SW Louisiana) is Andouille sausage. It is used in a lot of cooking recipes. Let me know if you want me to send you a link so you can get an idea of the texture and flavor profile. A lot of hunters like to have their venison made into Slim Jim style sticks.
Thanks for reaching out. I've got the one from NOLA website and another from friend of mine down y'all's way. Send your link though I'd like to compare them. Thanks :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:31 am
by glossieblack
Ooops. Double post. Apologies.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:32 am
by glossieblack
Eric, I've just discovered you're back on the air. Congrats on your boat cover and your new business venture. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:29 am
by Jeff
Good business Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:06 am
by glossieblack
Eric, how goes it?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:22 am
by Jeff
GB, I am going to try to reach him this week. I have not talked with him since mid-December. Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:30 am
by Jaysen
I've been chatting (very sparsely) with Eric on other mediums. I think I can say "life is well" but busy for him. I'm sure he will pop in here and elaborate.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:43 am
by Eric1
I'm doing okay guys. Just some health issues and cold keeping me from boat work. The boat cover did well until it snowed.
It collapsed and the snow became rain, the rain turned to ice... I'm just now getting it corrected. Thanks for thinking about me.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:08 am
by VT_Jeff
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:43 am The boat cover did well until it snowed. It collapsed and the snow became rain, the rain turned to ice...
I had a similar experience with my "uncollapsable" homemade Grady cover. My episode started with wind. Lots of it.

Glad to see you back!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:35 pm
by Browndog
Good to hear from you Eric. Keep your head up and work on the boat when you can. Best wishes to you.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:42 pm
by piperdown
For those not on Facebook and haven't seen what Eric's been creating.....it's the ultimate food porn ever!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:26 am
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:27 am
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Eric! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:24 am
by Eric1
glossieblack wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:27 am Happy birthday Eric! :D
Thank you Friend!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:25 pm
by Jeff
Eric, Happy Birthday!!! I hope you have a great birthday weekend!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:08 pm
by Fuzz
Best wishes from Alaska buddy :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:11 pm
by BB Sig
:D Happy Birthday! :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:27 am
by TomW1
A belated Happy Birthday! You always know I am late :lol:

Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:33 pm
by Eric1
Jeff, Fuzz, BB SIG and TomW1, Thank You for the Birthday Wishes. It was a good day spent with my girls. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:41 pm
by Jeff
Excellent Eric!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:18 pm
by TomW1
Good for you! Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:00 pm
by Eric1
Just checking in. Weather has warmed enough I can do a little boat work now. Everyone here is good. I started working on the jon boat my Dad gave me before he passed. I stripped it bare. Removed 300 pounds of water logged styrofoam and the transom plywood was rotted. Yesterday I dug out a 3/4 sheet of merenti I bought from Tom. Funny to think I have less in the sheet than a new sheet of exterior ply sales for now. Oh yea, just a heads up...If you drop a 3/4 sheet edge first on your foot it will hurt a bunch. I've also bought a 15 foot Weldcraft with a 30 hp Suzuki to fish and hunt from. I got tired of waiting on my friends to ask and I want to go fishing. I reckon everyone is just busy with their own lives. I get it. I did an overnight trip with a friend of mine last week. We tried to find crappie but most of what we caught were white bass. I did catch a 2 lb crappie, pretty happy with that. :D That's all for now. I wish you all well.
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:43 am
by pee wee
Good to hear from you, Eric!

Sounds like you've got plenty to keep you out of trouble- boat building and I guess you're still doing the cured meats?

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:06 am
by piperdown
Good to hear from you Eric!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:32 am
by narfi
Glad to hear you are doing well!
Sounds like some fun projects lined up to keep you out of trouble :)

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:50 am
by fallguy1000
Eric1 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:00 pm Just checking in. Weather has warmed enough I can do a little boat work now. Everyone here is good. I started working on the jon boat my Dad gave me before he passed. I stripped it bare. Removed 300 pounds of water logged styrofoam and the transom plywood was rotted. Yesterday I dug out a 3/4 sheet of merenti I bought from Tom. Funny to think I have less in the sheet than a new sheet of exterior ply sales for now. Oh yea, just a heads up...If you drop a 3/4 sheet edge first on your foot it will hurt a bunch. I've also bought a 15 foot Weldcraft with a 30 hp Suzuki to fish and hunt from. I got tired of waiting on my friends to ask and I want to go fishing. I reckon everyone is just busy with their own lives. I get it. I did an overnight trip with a friend of mine last week. We tried to find crappie but most of what we caught were white bass. I did catch a 2 lb crappie, pretty happy with that. :D That's all for now. I wish you all well.
Eric
Those fish will comingle. And the best way to deal with that is timing. The WB go and eat at separate times. It is the weirdest thing to catch different species at different times of day. Fishing lake of the woods for crappies, I was on an area with tons of signature, but they refused to bite if the sun was too high in the sky...

2# crappie is a nice fish for these parts

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:14 pm
by Jeff
Great to hear from you Eric!!! I hope all is well with your girls!!! Take care, Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:51 pm
by TomW1
Eric is so good to here from you. Watch out for those pieces of plywood they can bite you. :lol:

Regards to you and the girls, Tom.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:51 am
by glossieblack
Wonderful to hear that life's good for you Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:27 am
by Eric1
pee wee wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:43 am Good to hear from you, Eric!

Sounds like you've got plenty to keep you out of trouble- boat building and I guess you're still doing the cured meats?
Yep, I just had a batch of landyaeger finish drying and a flat pancetta. I have a rolled pancetta drying and bresaola along with a spicy and a fennel gabagool drying.
I should have three nice sticks of sopressata finished in the next few days. Lastly I got a good deal on a whole New York strip, I'm dry aging it also.
I've added cheese making to my repertoire. I've made boursin and a wonderful marinated feta. In the aging chamber I have a couple of pounds of butterkase that will be ready to taste May 5 and a very spicy pepperjack that will mature until July 4. I want to make camembert and brie but I am having a hard time getting cream that is not ultra pasteurized. I will have to buy raw milk at $6.5 a gallon just to get the cream.

Overall, Life is good. When the shop closed I weighed 214. I started a lowcarb/keto diet as my blood sugar was out of control. I weigh 179-183 now and my sugar is around 122-128 in the morning. I've had to learn to take care of me before taking care of others. My daughters pretty much take care of themselves now so that has made it easier to work on me. I couldn't tell you about the rest of the family as expected I seldom hear from them. I expected that once the money stopped flowing. C'est la vie.

Good to hear from everyone! Remember, Life's a journey,so enjoy the ride!
Eric

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:20 am
by MikeyGnz
Hi Eric. I just caught up on the past year or more. You've had a rough time of it but things look like they are turning round now. All the best. Mike

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:47 pm
by narfi
Eric1 wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:27 am
Overall, Life is good. When the shop closed I weighed 214. I started a lowcarb/keto diet as my blood sugar was out of control. I weigh 179-183 now and my sugar is around 122-128 in the morning.
Well Done!!! I know how hard that is to accomplish.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:46 pm
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Eric. :D

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:07 pm
by Fuzz
Yes happy birthday. Hope the world has improved a little for you. I miss all your sanding :D :lol:

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:10 am
by Jeff
Happy Birthday (a day late)!! Hope you had a great day!!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:38 pm
by TomW1
Happy birthday Eric as always I am a day late. Sounds like all is going well glad you are using the ply, and the girls are also doing well.

Many regards, Tom

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:44 am
by Eric1
Thank You Everyone for the Birthday Wishes!

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:53 am
by Bruce Freeman
I am in the process of purchasing the C21 kit. Although this is my third boat build - 16' skiff with 20hp & 20' tandem sea kayak - I am definitely in the novice category and will enjoy the needed advice of those with expertise. I am especially looking for guidance on how to stub out all of the cables from the console to the motor. and choice of fuel tank and it's installation. I have no clue on either of these two and I'm sure as I move along. I am a one many show and will do the build alone. Thanks ahead for any feedback. Bruce

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:41 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Bruce Freeman wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:53 am I am in the process of purchasing the C21 kit. Although this is my third boat build - 16' skiff with 20hp & 20' tandem sea kayak - I am definitely in the novice category and will enjoy the needed advice of those with expertise. I am especially looking for guidance on how to stub out all of the cables from the console to the motor. and choice of fuel tank and it's installation. I have no clue on either of these two and I'm sure as I move along. I am a one many show and will do the build alone. Thanks ahead for any feedback. Bruce
Welcome to the forum. Having experience with the materials used is a great advantage. Routing chases, plumbing and electrical are all opportunities to scratch your head and think about what will be best for you. I have some pictures of installing my tanks here, app.php/gallery/search/self/7

Re: chase tubes, I was told early on the wider is better. I have run all of my controls, steering and wiring harness through one run of 4" pvc with ease. I also gave myself a 2" run on the port side which has only been used thus far for a 6 gauge wire from the battery switch to the fuse panel in the console. Will also use this for x-ducer cable. Some pics on page 9 of the same album linked above

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:46 pm
by TomW1
Welcome to the Forum Bruce. If you want to save some time and money Eric has his C21 build up for sale. Sorry Bruce just found out Eric sold his C21.

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:11 pm
by Jeff
Tom, Eric sold his boat!! Jeff

Re: Eric's C21

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:02 pm
by Dan_Smullen
TomW1 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:46 pm Welcome to the Forum Bruce. If you want to save some time and money Eric has his C21 build up for sale. Sorry Bruce just found out Eric sold his C21.
And miss out on the experience!?! That's crazy talk...