gudgeon & pintle set for D4

[Neil]

I'm ready to purchase the gudgeon and pintles for my D4. Glen-L has a light duty set which is priced in the low 20's. Does anyone know if this set is adequate for the D4?

Also, are the gudgeons attached to the stern with screws or nuts & bolts? If bolts I will need to hold off on gluing on the stern seat.
Thanks,
Neil

[Frankr]

I got mine from Clark Craft - 5/16 pin sizes - worked great for my V12 about that price two years ago. I screwed mine in - but the transom is 3/4 inch thick (2 x 3/8 plywood). 4 screws have held it for two years now. Pre drill and wet with epoxy for water tighness. Also when placing the pintles on - the longer one goes near the bottom of the rudder so that you line up the bottom one first (usually under water) then you line up the top one.

[staehpj1]

I am using the light duty Racelite set from GlenL and am very happy with it.

I used through bolts with a backing plate, but you could get by with screws if you beefed up the transom. With my 3/8" transom I wouldn't trust screws. If it were 3/4" maybe...

Pete

[Neil]

Thanks, Guys. I also have the 3/8" transom. I think I'll epoxy on some backup blocks and use screws, that way I can keep working on the boat while I await my order.
Neil

[staehpj1]

I would suggest that rather than close up the area under the seats forever that you might want to consider some round screw in beckson type inspection plates. That way you can get in there for storage, inspection, or what ever. They are about 10 dollars and well worth it IMO.

Pete

[Johnmon]

I bought the light duty gudgeons and pintles from Glen-L and got an extra little stainles tab with them. It is about an inch long with a hole in it and a 90 degree bend at the end that is rounded. Does anyone know what that is supposed to be for? I surely can't figure it out.

[DRW]

Johnmon, I found the following information at the Glen-L site.

Gudgeons, pintles, rudder stop The gudgeons are straps that mount on the transom. They are fastened with 1" #8 round head wood screws.
Pintles (the "pin" part) are attached to the rudder and will slip into the gudgeons. Fasten with 10-24 x 1 1/4" round head machine screws with nuts.
The rudder stop is a small angle that is installed above the top pintle to prevent the rudder from floating out. Fasten loosely with a 1" #6 round head wood screw.
INSTALLATION: Attach pintles to rudder as far apart as is practical. Slip gudgeons onto pintles, hold against transom and mark screw holes. The pintles are different lengths to make it easier to hang the rudder when the boat is in the water. Make sure that the location of the rudder allows the tiller to clear the top of the transom when it turns. With the rudder installed on the boat, locate the rudder stop approx. 1/8" above the top pintle. It is fastened so that it is easily pivoted out of the way to install or remove the rudder, and so that it locks the rudder in place when down

Sounds like it installs on the transom, wouldn't be sure it would be needed seems as the weight of the tiller should keep the rudder on.

[Johnmon]

Johnmon, I found the following information at the Glen-L site.

Sounds like it installs on the transom, wouldn't be sure it would be needed seems as the weight of the tiller should keep the rudder on.

Sounds like it wouldn't be absolutely necessary. Who knows, maybe I'll try it and see if it seems like something I even want. It seems like it could easily rotate out of the way in a situation where your rudder would come up and not do much good. I looked at the placement of those components on my D4 and there might not even be room on the transom for it. The top pintle/gudgeon pair is dang close to the top.

By the way, we just painted the boat Saturday. My boys are squirming with excitement to get it out on the lake. I need to get new batteries for my digital camera so I can post pictures.

[staehpj1]

I found that the rudder tends to float up. The stop prevents this from happening. I never found the stop to swing out of the way because the top of the pintle is usually pressing against it.

To remove the rudder I have to push it down a little and then swing the stop out of the way.

BTW: I have the stop screwed on tight enough to keep it in position anyway.