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Evan_Gatehouse wrote:You just have to look at the history of music and now video file sharing. Once information is in digital format it becomes very easy to 'share'.

By only providing large size paper plans, the barriers to changing it into digital form is much higher. Few people are likely to scan a bunch of D-size drawings and lend them to a friend or distribute them over the internet. Fewer still will hire an Autocad drafter to reproduce them... If all it takes is clicking 'Send' then the chance of Bateau losing control of their intellectual property is much higher.
Yeah. And it's not only evil doers who might facilitate copying/distribution of digital plans. Who among us wouldn't like to see how the TW28 or CS25 goes together, or reference a few sets of plans in detail while deciding on which boat to build. We could always rationalize that since we aren't building the boat, it doesn't matter. Or say someone is having difficulty with an aspect of a build, and someone helps by referring to a transmitted set of plans. Nothing nefarious going on, but all of the sudden you've got an extra copy of plans out in the digital sphere.

I think there's also a misconception that what you're buying is only the license to build a boat. This might technically be the business model bateau is using, but the value of the plans is in the plans. To be honest, the value of the plans I have far exceeds the cost I paid. I think licensing each build is a way for bateau to recoup some of that value, and maintain a viable business. But make no mistake, it's the plans themselves that need to be protected, not just the licensing aspect.

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I agree with you Scott, the value of this plans is much higher than their cost that is a lot lower than any other plan available here in Italy (and even nicest, really).

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The other side of this coin is that, to be totally honest... What the heck would the average person DO with a D4 set of digital plans? :doh: Yes, because of my prior jobs and whatnot, I know who and where to go to get stuff printed in large format. But it's priceless to have the papers in front of you. Yes, on some things, digital is great, too. But for a Phantom, a TW28, Nina, etc... :roll:

Back in 1998 when I got into tech support/networking/programming, there was a ton of talk about the "paperless office." And now it seems that the happy medium is appearing - because human nature and habit seem to like having pieces of paper in their hands. There's something about it that helps the mind work a little more smoothly. IE I hate the Kindle, but I am an avid reader of real, live, on paper books. Why? I scribble notes all over 'em. Why? I learn more that way.

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Here's how I see it, for what that's worth.

My plywood, epoxy, fiberglass, paint, rollers, brushes, saw blades, sandpaper and everything else has to be physically delivered to me or physically picked up 40 miels away in town. Having the plans themselves e-mailed to me is of no benefit whatsoever and the few bucks you save is miniscule int he grand scheme of things.

I have over a dozen purchased plans from various designers as well as many of the free plans (D4, CC14 and others) some of them were digital and some came in big envelopes. I have a 4x8 sheet of whiteboard (dry erase board) hanging up in my shop and I tape the plans to it when I build. A few 8.5x11 sheets printed off my computer would be a pain to keep walking back and forth when the large, quality prints I get in the mail are easy to read from across the shop :!:

On designer I bought a couple of plans from offers them in digital or printed and the digital is $15 less. I still paid for the printed plans as it's more convient during the build than electronic.

electronic is instantly more convienent, but less so in the long run and I do everything with the long run in mind :wink:
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sds wrote:Who among us wouldn't like to see how the TW28 or CS25 goes together, or reference a few sets of plans in detail while deciding on which boat to build.
Me.... and from some other posts here I'd say I'm not alone.

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JimmyB wrote:
sds wrote:Who among us wouldn't like to see how the TW28 or CS25 goes together, or reference a few sets of plans in detail while deciding on which boat to build.
Me.... and from some other posts here I'd say I'm not alone.

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It probably won't stop me buying the plans but as i didnt get them for the weekend i had time i'm not sure when i'll be able to now... will wait and see.

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We show detailed free study plans, for example, for the TW28, we show this:
http://bateau.com/studyplans/TW28_study.htm?prod=TW28
It shows the assembly on a jig and some important details like shaft installation.

In the help files, there are many pictures and drawings showing how to build a boat, larger or small. We also show how to use fiberglass, apply resin, draw and cut a frame:
http://bateau2.com/howto-index.php

Then, there is the gallery. Do a search for TW28 and you will see many pictures of boats being build.

Last, this forum. You can follow the building of several TW28's from cutting the plywood to the launch.

If you have more questions, we can respond here or post links.

We are open to suggestion. What can we do (besides giving out the plans) to help you make a decision?
Is there any extra information that we should include in the study plans?
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You can find out more about any bateau plan, right here, with a few questions, than you can find anywhere else about any other plans (before purchasing). And the information will include both designer and real-world builder information. :D

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chicagoross wrote:You can find out more about any bateau plan, right here, with a few questions, than you can find anywhere else about any other plans (before purchasing). And the information will include both designer and real-world builder information. :D
Yep all you have to do is ask.
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ahh, the old "I want to build it NOW! not next week" syndrome. lol, yeah I get that too sometimes. These days people are used to getting things they want immediately, when they have to be patient and wait a few days they lose their minds.

I guess I'm old enough to appreciate sitting at a work table looking over a big set of drawings that came from the designer, and young enough to know that within a week of releasing plans digitally I could d/l any of them whenever I wanted free of charge(If I wanted). I totally understand why Joel and Jaques would want to stick with paper, and have no problem waiting a few days for a set of plans.

The wait and the few extra $'s for shipping seems silly when you're on week 6 of a several hundred, or several thousand, $ build.

Look at it this way, maybe J&J are doing you a favor by teaching you the first lesson of boat building....patience.

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