FS18 CNC Build San Antonio Texas

[hooter]

You might consider Fine Lumber in Austin. They have a good supply of wood and might have meranti or okoume. From Schertz, its closer than Houston Hardwoods. I personally would stick with marine grade ply, it would stink to have a cheap plywood start to check on you especially around a stress point like a rubrail.

my $.02

hOOt

edit, I checked their website. looks like at one point they stocked something. for a sheet or two, its better than a 9 hour round trip.

4 X 8 1 / 4" MARINE, AQUATEK 6566
4 X 8 3 / 8" MARINE, AQUATEK 6566
4 X 8 1 / 2" MARINE, AQUATEK 6566
4 X 8 3 / 4" MARINE, AQUATEK 6566
4 X 8 3MM MARINE, JOBERT 6566
4 X 8 4MM MARINE, JOBERT 1088
4 X 8 6MM MARINE, JOBERT 1088

[Gino]

Thanks Hooter,

I will call them again, the last few calls I found nothing in stock, it may be all in who you talk to. If not, I'll wait until I have a run to Houston and pick up an extra sheet for other uses.

Gino

[Gino]

I have been re-reading posts prior to my wet on wet layout of all cloth this weekend and I would like some opinions from people that have done the wet on wet layout. I have laid out and marked all my tape and cloth for the boat. I have marked lines on the boat for tape and cloth edges as reference marks. I have even marked out a grid pattern for each yard of boat to cover. Now that I am getting close to the glassing job, I wondered if there was something I could do to make the job easier.

CrackerLarry laid tape on the edges and keel then sanded it smooth first. He then laid out his cloth on the complete boat dry so that he could arrange the cloth easy. After the dry layout he worked the resin into the two layers. I have worked resin into two layers at one time on boat restoration, but have not tried to work resin into more than two layers.

Would I be able to just tack down the tape on the keel, and edges then lay out the cloth and wet through the two layers of cloth and tape also? I am using overlapping cloth to cover the boat completely and by doing this I would need to wet through 4 layers on the keel and two to three layers on all the other edges.

Thanks
Gino

[TomW1]

Gino the way Larry does it is best. He puts the tape down and allows it to dry before he sands it down so there is no lump at the edge just a smooth meeting of the tape and the plywood resulting in less fairing later on. If you can do this on Saturday you can do the main cloth on Sunday, in less than 24hrs, which is still a chemical bond. If not you will have a mechanical bond instead of a chemical one which is not a problem. You will have a chemical bond with the cloth if you are putting two layers on, which it sounds like you are.

Tom

[Chuck H]

Gino,

This is not "expert" advice, but I found it very difficult to wet out two layers of 12 oz. biax I at once and certainly wouldn't want to try to wet out 4! It takes significant effort (time) to work the resin all the way through the cloth and pre mature curing could lead to small or large disaster. If you want to try to do it all in one day at least do it one layer at a time and make sure each one gets stuck down real good. I think "wet on green" would be a better method than "wet on wet"'.

I'm still fixing things that got screwed up by over-ambitious laminating attempt.

That's just one amateurs opinion.

Good luck!

Chuck

[Dougster]

I had trouble laying 9 oz cloth over wet tape. Larry's way was better for me too. Lay the tape, let cure overnight, and feather edges with sander. Then lay cloth over that. I don't worry about chemical vs mechanical bond with that. BTW, check out the Port A boat show this Oct. if you can. Last year was great, lots of builders and boat talk, and Jacques is there for questions/advice/etc. I'd like to meet a San Antonio builder.

Living in Blanco now Dougster

[Gino]

Thanks to all of you for your advice and info, if I have time today I will try to lay the tape but I don't have much faith it will cure enough to sand with the front that blew in, but it will at least make Sunday a shorter day working with the boat.

Dougster,
I already have a condo booked for the weekend of the boat show and will be heading down with my wife and girls for the show. This looks like the only way to meet Jacques since I will be heading to Florida 3 days after the meetup there.

If you head to San Antonio at some time, give me a shout, I am just outside 1604 on I35 in Schertz. I'll do the same next time I head up to Marble Falls with my other boat.

Gino

[Dougster]

Definitely let me know if you head by here. I'm right off 281 on your way. I do get to SA now and then and would love to see the FS18 build in action. See you in Port A BTW, you can email me at: dwin08 and that's at gmail dot com.

Blanco Dougster

[Gino]

Re:Tom, Chuck, Dougster

Thank you for the suggestions/advice. All of you saved me from a big mistake. I laid the tape down on Saturday afternoon by myself and it went pretty good. I had to rework the two rear corners and about 12" of one side where I had too sharp of a line. If I had not worked the tape the day before, it would have been a lot more work. I lightly sanded where needed on the tape edge and reworked the tape on the two rear corners and the side that had too sharp of a curve. Thanks for suggesting breaking the job down into two days.

I spent about 1 1/2 hours glassing the tape on Saturday by myself and about 1 1/2 hour sanding and taping the corners and side again on Sunday. I was very happy with how the job turned out.



On Sunday I made my necessary repairs and pre-measured all my resin for when my friend and wife showed up to help. We managed to lay out the cloth, wet it out and work it in about 1 1/2 hours max. Two of us worked the cloth and my wife stirred the resin after mixing or mixed us a little extra resin as needed. She joined in as possible working the resin into the double layers. With all the planning, it was not near the problem I expected. We used a combination of the foam rollers, throw away chip brushes, and two black plastic paint edgers for spreading and working out the excess resin. I never used my peel ply. With the ease of Silver Tip resin, I did not have near the excess resin issues as I did with West Brand.

Prior to wetting out the cloth


I was very happy with my time to lay out the glass and the amount of resin used.
For 4 lines of tape I used 86 oz of resin. If I dare to compare myself to CrackerLarry, I was only about 7% over his calculations.
For 14 yards of cloth on the bottom I used 200 oz of resin. I was about 12% more than was calculated by CrackerLarry.

I ended up with 2 small bubbles on the point of the bow near where the bottom joins up. One bubble about 1/2" wide and 1 inch long and another about 1/4" wide and 2" long. Considering how much cloth was in this area, I am not surprised at the results.

Overall, I am very pleased with how well the job turned out. I only had experience with West brand resin on large areas previously, but after using the Silver Tip, I will never go back to West brand. This resin went on so easy and was very easy to wet the cloth with. I may switch to Marineepoxy on the inside of the boat for the price savings, but for larger areas, I am hooked on Silver Tip brand. I can't wait to see how much easier it is to work with in cooler temps.

Gino

[BarraMan]

Without pictures - it didn't really happen!