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Would you buy such a plan and build a TX Sled?

Yes, I get the idea and believe in it. I want it now!
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54%
No, I don't trust that idea, I prefer a cat.
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I prefer a conventional flats boat.
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I want to discuss this further before making a decision.
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Post by jacquesmm »

This week-end, I sketched what we discussed in the Texas Flats Boat thread.
Here is what came out of it:
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This is a first sketch and a lot can change during the design but the basic idea is there: an inverted vee hull for fishing the flats. To stay within the style of the TX boats, I did put the sheer relatively low but I can still go lower.
Right now, she is around 18' by 8+' wide.

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She has a flat back not only because that's how sleds work but it increases buoyancy right where we need it, to support engine weight.

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The bow is far from being flat. The inverted vee not only provides a smooth ride cat style because of the fine hull bows but, in this case, we trap the air under the hull and that provides lift, greatly reducing the running while increasing speed. Sleds have the highest power to speed ratios.
I expect this hull to go 35 mph with a 50 HP.

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The concept is easy to understand from this last picture. Hundreds if not thousands of Sea Sleds were build.
Let's not go in the details at this point: the interior layout, console etc. are details. I want to know if it is worth designing and if yes, in what size, how about freeboard and discuss other hull design related points.
My sled hull is different from the Hickmans sled mostly because of the slanted chines. This should eliminate chine tripping and makes the entry even finer.

Suggestions are welcome.
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Post by baba101 »

Jac,

I am really excited about this design...and the concept...but fear that it may not be the boat for me...

I need a boat for Lake Ontario...I know this hull is designed for the flats but can you please indicate how it would compare to an OB19

For :
:!: Running 2' - 4' chops...?
:!: I know it will run wet....but will it be smoother and more stable...?
:!: Requires less power, provides more deck space...?

Thanks...

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This is a low profile and unusually wide sled but most Sea Sleds are narrower and have much more freeboard.
We may design such a sled if this one meets some success.
See this web page about an offshore sled:
http://easyreader.hermosawave.net/news2 ... intage.asp

I provided sketches to this builder but declined to design a complete set of plans. I may change my mind about it.

Compared to a moderate vee hull like the OB19, in a 2 to 4' chop, a sled should run faster and smoother. Or same speed with less HP, around 25% less. That is documented fact, see the old Skene's books and the Crouch factor for sleds.
It will sometimes "sneeze". That means that sprays may come back from under the foredeck but I have ideas on how to handle that.
The hull will be slightly more complicated to build and cost a little bit more. It is a more complicated structure.
It will be more stable.
If there is interest for offshore sleds, let's discuss that in separate threads and reserve this one to the Texas flats version.
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Post by baba101 »

Jac,

If I am reading you correctly (i.e. other than the sneeze issue) this boat is just as good or better than the OB19 for Lake Ontario...

Then put my name down for one set please....! :D

Thanks

Baba.

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Post by Jerry-rigged »

Intresting hull. I had followed the links posted for the sleds, but it it still not quite what I was expecting. I like the angled chine, it gives the bow an agressive wave eating look. However, I was expecting a little V (inverted) in the stern - maybe 2-4" peak in the transom that would act as a tunnel of sorts. Shallow water launching, this boat would have no advantage over a flatbottom johnboat. :cry:

Also, How tall is the tunnel/V amidship? Would you have to run the boat bow down to get a smooth ride? Or will it ride best level?

Overall, I like it, but I still want to build a C17/19 first. I do like this boat over the PH boat, but I often like things just because they are diffrent.

Cool boat. 8)

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Would you consider a higher freeboard version with perhaps a small cabin in the style of say a CX19. I am looking hard at the CX as a trolling platform for Lake Michigan, and was hoping this may work even better as it may allow a little additional cabin space that may make it more family friendly and an easier sell to the one who controlls the budget.

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Post by jacquesmm »

Please let's focus on the flats boat version for now.
If you want to discuss other types of sled hulls, please start a different thread.
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Post by timoub007 »

Like Jerry, I like it but was expecting a tunnel of some sorts at the transom. I think this would be a great boat, but will not address on of the key elements of launching in shallow water.

If the inverted vee was carried to the transom to some degree, what is you opinion of that? Or if it was designed as shown, what if I put the XF-20/PH-15 tunnel in this boat?

What I'm saying is that to appeal to the Texas crowd it is going to need a tunnel or to carry the inverted vee all the way to the transom.

I would be interested in a set of these plans. I'm not sure I'd build it anytime soon as I don't have the room or need to now. I do still like the PH-22 with a pocket though as my next build if I can get the room.

As far as the deck goes, I'd like to build it more along the Florida style of flats boats. But lets get the hull defined before everyone puts in their nickel on the deck.

Jacques, thanks for taking our idea and coming up with something. That says a lot...

Tim

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Post by markhoutx »

I like it, put me in for the plans and fiberglass kit.

I presume the two vees pushing the water to the middle will help lift the stern when taking off in shallow water???

How much freeboard is showing in your sketchs?
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Post by baba101 »

On the subject of size...plz don't make it any bigger than 18X8, I don't have enough building space for a larger boat....

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