Help designing the TW34 (Trawler 34).

[Stefan]

... Right now we have to make a decision about the TW34. It must be in the style of the TW28 and we will give it as much range as possible ...

I agree, we might need to separate the TW34 from the Passagemaker...
You already know what I want to see, and that's not a real passage
maker ... I want the TW34 in Grand Banks Style, wide beam.
Maybe and if possible, with a hull that can take an engine from 50 hp up
to 250+ hp ... Then it's up to the builder what speed and engine he want.
If not possible, I prefer the smaller engine for hull speed and economy.

It should be great for long family cruisings and also capable of going
far out offshore with as long range as possible.

Flybridge, swim platform, transom door is a few things I want to see
also... But ... Thats designs and a little early ... maybe ...

[anonymous]

I see some serious votes in favor of a real passage maker: heavy displacement with a "sail assisted" rig.

Design a passage maker and I will buy the plans....

Just bought TW28 plans, once that's been built and had some sea time I'd be very interested in a REAL passagemaker.

If it could have Nordhavn styling all the better, but as someone said it's not just arriving at the destination it's the journey itself.

[laporter]

Just read a good post on the Trawlers & Trawlering news groups by Dr. Steve Frankel. It might be worthy of a read. As you'll see the (his) definition has evolved as has our discussion here.

http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/traw ... 08300.html

It might add some further insight into what defines a "modern" cruising trawler.

Rick

[jacquesmm]

Yes but again there is that speed problem. I disagree with his judgement about the seaworthiness of a planing hull. I'm not going to design a trawler with a planing hull because it would not be a trawler.

[laporter]

Yes but again there is that speed problem. I disagree with his judgement about the seaworthiness of a planing hull. I'm not going to design a trawler with a planing hull because it would not be a trawler.

Agreed wholeheartedly. Therein lies the problem with a modern definition of a pleasure craft cruising trawler. The bulk of the boat buying/building community probably equate the term "trawler" with the go faster planing or semi-planing "trawler" look alikes and not understanding that although they may look the part they don't act the part. In reality they're "Fake". I don't want a "Fake" trawler.

[Stefan]

Yes but again there is that speed problem. I disagree with his judgement about the seaworthiness of a planing hull. I'm not going to design a trawler with a planing hull because it would not be a trawler.

Jac, looks like we're going for a hull speed trawler = smaller engine ...
That's okay with me as long as the final design and look goes in the
Grand Banks direction ... Wife likes the GB look so much and so do I ...

I want a big beam and wide transom ... What would be realistic
do you think ? Something in the 12' - 14' range ?

And then draft ... I really would like it closer to 3', but also understand
the prop has to fit under there ... Anyway, lets see what you can do

BTW ... what is your thoughts and ideas so far for the TW34?

[anonymous]

How about building it with a dry stack and a keel cooler! That will cut out a lot of maintenance work.

Old Chief

[Spokaloo]

Looking at the needs of everyone, I think your spot-on with the two boat plan. You will be able to get the coastal cruisers satisfied with something a little faster, maybe a little beamier, and not required to take on too violent a storm

After that, something passagemakerish for someone (like me) who in a few years wants to build a boat that will take me mothershipping with my kayaks from here (wa state) up the Inside Passage to as far as my wife and I dare to go. West coasters I think would show a vested interest in something that can make long passages as we have such an amazing coastline that can be impressively moody. A passagemaker will extend the cruising season past the fair weather summer and make a boat that will comfortably (?) take on the 10-30 ft seas that can be whipped up on the inland straits here.

E

[Salty Dog]

Greetings All,

I believe we have volleyed this to core targets and design components that Jacques will be able to further refine and ultimately become two, seperate purpose vessels.

The collective is becomming a bit redundant, I would lke to propose the following:

--A Jacques prepared synopsys for each vessel--

--A Jacques determined time limit (date/hour) for "last call" Stage One addendums' for each vessel--

We should certainly appreciate Jacques and Co.s willingness to design these vessels, and further, permitting our individual and mutual contributions to the process.

Let's move on and perhaps we'll see first offs before I'm a great grandfather.

Cheers,

S.D.-

[jacquesmm]

Good idea. Let's keep the discussion open until Tuesday.
I will design the general purpose trawler first. We will restart the discussion about a passagemaker later.
The trawler will have a good range, more than most production trawler.