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Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:56 am**

Well now that I am retired I was planning on laying around the house eating bon-bons all winter. SWMBO has made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that my plan is not going to fly

So I thought now is a good time to work on other projects out in the shop. She never goes out there so I am good

This is what I came up with. It is a Dave Sintes design out of C-flex I built about 1990. It has had a hard life and needs some love.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:04 am**

I thought the best thing to start with would be to peel off all the old gelcoat and fair the hull. This is where I ran into problem #1. The old gelcoat is soft and will not cut. It just gums up my sand paper

I ended up using a 7 inch grinder with 16 grit paper to clean up the transom. It only took me three hours to do that small area. At that rate it would take a month for the whole hull, anyone got a bright idea?

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:44 am**

Nice looking hull Fuzz . Congrats on the retirement and welcome to the Cloof club

I know nothing about gel coat,
is it water soaked

My wife told me the same thing that's why i built my Novi .

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:33 pm**

Thanks Topwater,
The hull is not water soaked just really rough and beat up. The transom is rotted and I have removed 75% of it already. The stringers are solid. I do think the basic shape of the hull is nice looking so I want to save it. I do not think there will be many more of his designs built as I heard he passed not long ago.
The gel coat is well attached, just soft enough to clog up sandpaper and not cut well. I am wondering if I can get away with putting a coat of epoxy over the whole thing and then fairing it? Or would I be making more problems for myself?

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:59 pm**

If its soft enough to clog paper I wonder if chemicals would cut it?

You said you are the original builder, do you remember what product it is? I dont know much on the topic but its a thought anyways......

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:20 pm**

Fuzz wrote: I was planning on laying around the house eating bon-bons all winter.

that made me chuckle, nice bow flare on that one

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:36 pm**

narfi wrote:If its soft enough to clog paper I wonder if chemicals would cut it?

You said you are the original builder, do you remember what product it is? I dont know much on the topic but its a thought anyways......

I am sure it is an ISO gelcoat. That is all I used back then. I am pretty sure it did not have wax in it and thus the incomplete cure. Groups like this did not exist back then. I have made more than my fair share of boat building screw ups over the years. I am hoping to not have a repeat on this project. For now I guess I will get friendly with the sander and at least get things roughed up even if I do not get all the gelcoat removed. I will run it outside and sand for an hour or so until I get froze out. Sort of hard to work up much enthusiasm for outdoor work this time of the year.

Glad I got a smile out of you Peter

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:22 am**

Fuzz i wouldn't put paint over anything you are not sure of , mister Murphy will rear his ugly head and bite you
right in the ass every time .

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:55 pm**

topwater wrote:Fuzz i wouldn't put paint over anything you are not sure of , mister Murphy will rear his ugly head and bite you
right in the ass every time .

Thanks Topwater,
In my heart I knew that from the start. I just had a dream somebody had an idea that would save me from the sander

Well I guess I will just have to buck up like a big boy and go take my medicine

Posted: **Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:13 am**

Well I spent the afternoon with a 4 inch grinder and a bunch of 24 grit disks. I got one side done. One more and the bottom to go.

When I get done I will get to spend days cleaning up the gelcoat dust.

Posted: **Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:12 am**

Looks like a whole bunch of work accomplished Fuzz!! Have a nice holiday!! Jeff

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:53 pm**

Well I spent the day with the grinder and 24 grit disks. When I was done I looked like a snowman

Turns out the gelcoat on the bottom was hard and in pretty good shape. I just went over it lightly and still took about 50% of the gelcoat off. In case you do not already know it a 4 inch grinder with 24 grit disks will do bad things to fiberglass in one heck of a hurry

My plan is to fair the bottom and then coat it with epoxy/graphite. To make sure things bond well I am thinking I need to coat the bottom and then do my fairing over that. Anyone have an opinion

While I was at it I went ahead and took the gelcoat off the other side so the hull is ready for fairing now.
I should have stopped when I got the bottom done but it is such a nasty job I wanted to be done with that part. Now I am hobbling around like a Cloof

Probably be a few days before I heal up and get back to it.

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:43 am**

That is a nasty job that I don't envy! At least you got it done

I would roll a sealing coat of epoxy on before I started fairing.

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:23 pm**

Thanks Larry, that is how I will do it.

I wanted to do the grinding outside but the temp was in single digits and I do not handle the cold as well as I use to

So to get the job done I did it in the shop. Glass dust is every place, I will be cleaning that up forever. Oh well it was that or wait till spring and that was not going to work.
I had always used a 7 inch sander for heavy glass removing but read here that many used a 4 inch grinder so I tried that this time. I was impressed how well it worked. There is nothing subtle about the grinder but it will move some material in a hurry.

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:28 pm**

I wanted to do the grinding outside but the temp was in single digits and I do not handle the cold as well as I use to

I'd move

Yep, an angle grinder will get-er-done, but it's an implement of destruction if not used with a light touch

And I know you have a mess of dust to clean up, polyester dust, which is not friendly at all. Ugh!

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:37 pm**

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We would both like to find at least a snowbird place. That was part of the reason for coming to this years meet. We would be really serious about it now but my folks are here close to me. They are both 87. Father time has taken a heavy toll on them so we need to be close to help out as much as we can.

Posted: **Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:08 pm**

Hi Fuzz,

There is something very alluring about Alaska

that is one place I would love to visit at some point. Nice boat

but...what is so wrong about hibernating and eating bon-bons all winter

Marc

Posted: **Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:59 pm**

blueflood wrote:Hi Fuzz,

There is something very alluring about Alaska that is one place I would love to visit at some point. Nice boat but...what is so wrong about hibernating and eating bon-bons all winter

Marc

There is no place I would rather be for June, July and August. If you are being generous you could add in May and September. That still leaves 7 months of the year that are not so nice

I have lost my interest in winter sports so winters can get really long. This is the main reason I built my shop, to have a way to keep busy during the non summer months.
If I laid around and ate bon-bons all winter I would weigh 300 pounds come spring

Better to have something to keep me moving. I really like your boat and all the details you are adding to it.

Posted: **Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:04 pm**

Hi Fuzz, I hear you - had to take up cross country skiing; too scared of downhill

Snowmobile - had one and it busted the clutch in the middle of nowhere woods. That was the last time I owned one and unless it's a new machine, forget it. Did semi-wilderness camping in -20C, that was a blast. Snowshoes is excellent to get the cobwebs out too. And for a French Canadian...I hate skating. The best part is taking them off then cozy up nude with a honey under blankets for a whole weekend

Rather be on a boat tho - in the sun

Enjoy your time Fuzz !...sorry about rambling on

Marc

Posted: **Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:25 pm**

blueflood wrote:
Enjoy your time Fuzz !...sorry about rambling on

Marc

I have lots of time at this point

I am a bit of a blabber mouth so no such thing as rambling on with me

I hear you on the snowmachines. They, and a cliff, are the reason I need to have three vertebrates in my neck operated on.

Posted: **Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:30 pm**

They do make it easier to get around on the hard water though.......

Posted: **Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:09 am**

Sounds like a big ouch to me, Fuzz

Posted: **Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:26 pm**

blueflood wrote:Sounds like a big ouch to me, Fuzz

Yep............I spent 45 minutes laying at the bottom of the cliff before I could feel or move my arms and legs. Gives a guy plenty of time to think about what life would be like as a quadriplegic.

Bad part was I had already let the darn thing roll over me earlier in the day and was stiff and sore so I was going slow taking it easy. If I had been going faster things would have worked out better..............that time

One of the few times where faster was safer

Posted: **Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:32 pm**

Mighty nice looking hull

I'll sure follow along now that I found this thread.
What will you fish for on this boat when you get her rehabilitated?

Posted: **Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:18 pm**

Aripeka Angler wrote:Mighty nice looking hull
I'll sure follow along now that I found this thread.
What will you fish for on this boat when you get her rehabilitated?

Do you remember my post on "how not to retrieve your boat"? In the spring and early summer it can be really good halibut and king fishing just off that beach. Problem being is you need the boat to be able to take a beating if it gets rough and you want to come in. If this hull is not bullet proof it is dang close. 3/4 to one inch bottom, 3/8 to 1/2 inch sides. 4 full height stringers. It is just nice to have a boat you feel no need to baby.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:52 pm**

Well boat work came to a halt for a few days

Old man winter decided to show up around here. -10F here this morning

I spent the last few days expanding the partition in my shop so I can get the Sintes 21 in it. It is nice to have a large shop but it is too big to heat the whole thing this time of the year.

Posted: **Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:29 am**

Similar temps here.... It's coooold.
Killed the battery in our car, I think it's froze.
So we were bundled up on the Honda going to an early Christmas party tonight. Got the boy sandwiched between me and his mom to keep him warm.
Think he was grateful?? Nope he was upset we didn't pull him on a sled behind........ none of the kids seem to mind the cold like we do.

Posted: **Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:34 pm**

Hey All,

Couldn't you just have sanded that thing a little rough and put a coat of 6 oz glass and epoxy over the entire thing?

Or is that like peanut butter over jelly?

The reason I'm asking is my 13' Whaler is going to get sanded and has some pretty bad aligators and I was gonna put a nice layer of 6 oz over the entire boat. I tried strippers, too hard on the gel coat. I don't see the value in taking all the gelcoat off.

No intention to hijack, but the project is similar.

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:49 am**

narfi wrote:Similar temps here.... It's coooold.
Killed the battery in our car, I think it's froze.

My daughter called me from Fairbanks today. She is going to UAF. It has been -30 to -40 the past few days and even with a heat blanket for her battery it got killed. To be fair it was getting up there in age so no surprise.

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:56 am**

fallguy1000 wrote:Hey All,

Couldn't you just have sanded that thing a little rough and put a coat of 6 oz glass and epoxy over the entire thing.

You could do that on a whaler I guess. The outside skin on a 13 foot whaler is pretty thin and the sander might go through if you were not careful. Rough it up good and I think the epoxy/glass would stick. Not sure, never tried doing it that way.
The reason I took most of the gel coat off was because it was in bad shape. Real bad shape. I need to do some patching and fairing and want something solid to tie to. Plus there is no need to add glass to this thing..............it is a tank.

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:10 am**

The weather here has been bizarre. The ground just started to freeze on Saturday, really late. But we are getting cold blast now and Friday the high is 19F. Minneapolis.. Yesterday my kid and I went to lunch and the bigger ponds were not frozen over yet.

The gelcoat on the Whaler has quite a few alligators and cracks and I tried to use stripper on the paint, but it started to eat gelcoat, so I stopped. Gonna sand the whole boat rough and glass it on the outside and paint. Inside, going to just gouge out the gelcoat where cracked, fair and paint.

Good luck with that boat. I can't wait to see it finished.

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:48 am**

Sorry...had to

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... r%20report

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:06 am**

cape man wrote:Sorry...had to

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... r%20report

Just remember next summer when you guys are too hot to move we will be loving life

I do wish I could figure out a way to snowbird to down there

Posted: **Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:17 am**

Fallguy,
Good luck with the whaler. Those 13 foot ones are handy like a pocket on a shirt. I have done repair work on both a 13 and a 17 foot model. I was shocked about how thin the glass is on them. The 17 footer had about a foot of its nose beat off on a dock and the 13 footer had its keel worn totally through for about a foot from running up on the beach. Start a thread and post pictures. I would really like to see how you fix the whaler up

I dream of getting the 21 done before spring but I do not think the weather or my body is going to let me

But either way I am going to plug along at it winter and see what happens

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:18 am**

Love the lines...look familiar (http://www.anglersedgemarine.com/Page.a ... 2-Bay.aspx)

I'll be watching this one.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:54 pm**

Frank_HdG wrote:Love the lines...look familiar (http://www.anglersedgemarine.com/Page.a ... 2-Bay.aspx)

I'll be watching this one.

Frank both of our boats do look a lot alike so we can keep an eye on each other

I looked at the link you gave and then went to Utube and looked at a Sintes boat and yes I do believe that one came from his design. Dave did a lot of different designs over the years.

Posted: **Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:43 pm**

Well I got my addition to my work area done. It is amazing how well two layers of plastic with an air gap will hold heat.

I got the first round of fairing done on one section. I am doing it in sections so I feel like I am making progress.
Some how when sanding this hull it grows from 21 feet to something over 50 feet

At least it feels that way to me

Posted: **Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:22 am**

Fuzz, glad you have a nice, warm area to work!! Happy holidays, Jeff

Posted: **Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:22 pm**

Does that boat have the c-flex?

Edit - I see that it does..Starting to look good. Yeah, that air gap is a good insulator for temporary work.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:22 am**

Jeff wrote:Fuzz, glad you have a nice, warm area to work!! Happy holidays, Jeff

Happy holidays to you and yours also Jeff. and all the rest of the folks on here.

I might have a warm place to work but this time of the year I could be talked into trading you places

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:39 am**

fallguy1000 wrote:Does that boat have the c-flex?

Edit - I see that it does..Starting to look good. Yeah, that air gap is a good insulator for temporary work.

This is the first C-Flex boat I ever built. It was not a bad way to go 30 years ago but not sure it still is. I do know it is now where as much fun as they way they are done here. Plus there is no support group like here and that makes a world of difference.

When I was much younger and full of energy I build this one also. It is 32x13. Not a very good finish on it but not needed for a work boat.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:35 am**

Had to look up C-flex.... Interesting. Boat is looking good. Weather looks like it sucks!

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Ka ... K0123:1:US

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:38 pm**

cape man wrote:Had to look up C-flex.... Interesting. Boat is looking good. Weather looks like it sucks!

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Ka ... K0123:1:US

Sucks is a good word

I hope that weather forecast is accurate, I have not seen it above zero here at the house in a while.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:39 pm**

The boat picture is a few years old. We do not have that much snow yet. Maybe if it warms up it will snow some.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:12 pm**

Fuzz wrote: Maybe if it warms up it will snow some.

And that kids is why we live in the south!

I know it's true, but the idea that it needs to warm up to snow is just ... ... nuts. I know it's a beautiful place but I don't know how you folks survive up there.

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:54 am**

Well I admit this time of the year can be a little chilly but with good clothes and heaters it is not that hard to stay warm. Don't tell anyone. I like living in a state that has one square mile for every person living there. And as much as I liked being down south I am sure I could not handle the summer weather there. I could be a classic snowbird if given the chance though

Posted: **Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:07 pm**

Well I guess it is time to confess to my sins. I planned on using system3 and quick fair on the bottom of my boat and that is what I am doing. My sin is I let the glass supplier talk me into using vinyl ester and his fairing puddy on the sides. So I worked on one side and did like I was told. Problem was the S**T never kicked and got hard.

Crap was so soft there was no way to sand it so I ended up taking a chisel and scrapping 21 foot by 26 inches of hull with a 1/2 inch chisel

To top it off I got to break out the grinder and cover my shop with poly dust AGAIN

Taking a break from the boat before I return to drinking. On second thought I do believe a little rum is called for

Jaysen if you read this no matter how much you think you might have screwed up this should make you feel better

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:09 am**

Quick question. After washing your hull how long do you let it dry before glassing on it?

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:57 am**

Fuzz looks like Mr Murphy bit you right in the A$$

Dude you know better

I know you just retired and you are looking for things to keep you busy but dam man i can think of better things
to do than scrape that crap off a hull

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:16 am**

Fuzz wrote:Jaysen if you read this no matter how much you think you might have screwed up this should make you feel better

I'n your defense, you were using unknown product from a source that had to "talk you into" it. Let's call it "his fault" this time!

And for the record, the fact that guys like you do this is what has me terrified. If you can do it, what chance do I have of a "f me!" free build?

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:54 am**

My sin is I let the glass supplier talk me into using vinyl ester and his fairing puddy on the sides. So I worked on one side and did like I was told. Problem was the S**T never kicked and got hard. Crap was so soft there was no way to sand it so I ended up taking a chisel and scrapping 21 foot by 26 inches of hull with a 1/2 inch chisel To top it off I got to break out the grinder and cover my shop with poly dust AGAIN Taking a break from the boat before I return to drinking. On second thought I do believe a little rum is called for

And you knew better than that

Friends don't let friends use vinylester, especially in Alaska in the winter

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:18 pm**

topwater wrote:Fuzz looks like Mr Murphy bit you right in the A$$ Dude you know better

Believe it or not as I was spreading the crap on I keep hearing your voice whispering in my ear about Mr.Murphy. Maybe when I hear voices I need to obey them

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:24 pm**

Jaysen wrote:
Fuzz wrote:Jaysen if you read this no matter how much you think you might have screwed up this should make you feel better
I'n your defense, you were using unknown product from a source that had to "talk you into" it. Let's call it "his fault" this time!

And for the record, the fact that guys like you do this is what has me terrified. If you can do it, what chance do I have of a "f me!" free build?

Well everyone makes a few screw ups along the way. In almost every case they can be fixed. Might not be fun but it can be fixed. Safest thing to do is stick with the products sold here and stay on the proven path. My problem is I have always liked to try the new stuff. That carries more risk than most folks would like.

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:30 pm**

Cracker Larry wrote:
My sin is I let the glass supplier talk me into using vinyl ester and his fairing puddy on the sides. So I worked on one side and did like I was told. Problem was the S**T never kicked and got hard. Crap was so soft there was no way to sand it so I ended up taking a chisel and scrapping 21 foot by 26 inches of hull with a 1/2 inch chisel To top it off I got to break out the grinder and cover my shop with poly dust AGAIN Taking a break from the boat before I return to drinking. On second thought I do believe a little rum is called for
And you knew better than that Friends don't let friends use vinylester, especially in Alaska in the winter

Yep, in the end I did know better. I just thought I would give something new a try

Nothing like letting Mr Murphy bite you right in the butt.
I waited a couple of days to post this. I knew I was making myself look stupid. But if it helps somebody else from making the same screw up then I guess I will wear the dunce cap.

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:42 pm**

Fuzz, my build plans all start like

1. Make sure Bateau has it, if not, you don't need it.
2. Go to the plans page and add EVERYTHING to the cart. BUY IT ALL.
3. Call Jeff and double the epoxy and add all the things everyone told you you'd need.
4. Pay Jacques and crew then begin drinking to CL on High for build blessings.

And yes, there are planS. This will not be the only boat in our yard.

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:46 pm**

Nice comments Jaysen!!! Happy holidays to you and your family!! Tell your Paratrooper I said happy holidays as well!! Jeff

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:51 pm**

I waited a couple of days to post this. I knew I was making myself look stupid. But if it helps somebody else from making the same screw up then I guess I will wear the dunce cap.

When I built the OD18 I posted every F Up I made with the same intent. Humbling myself publicly is a way to assure I don't do the same thing again, and others can read it and say "Whoa! Won't do the same thing as that dumb ass!"

And as we often say here in Florida..."Aint nothing but a thang."

P.S. At work today in shorts, a light T shirt, and sandals..

Posted: **Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:08 pm**

CapeMan you are killing me

As I sit here looking at it snowing outside. Well at least it has warmed up

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:12 am**

Well I have been plugging along trying to clean things up. I used wood flower glue to fill in some low spots that were bigger than I wanted to fill with Quickfair. That is the darker spots you see.

And here is the side that I have been having so much fun with

This is after two rounds of fairing and then some blue guide coat so I can see where I am at. I am hoping two more rounds of fairing will be enough, we will see

The hull does not look like it has that much dead rise but I have learned that after putting a seal coat of epoxy on it the only way to keep from sliding off was to sand it with 60 grit to have a little traction. That dang epoxy is some slick stuff

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:13 am**

Fuzz, really good progress!!! Hope you guys are warm up there!!! Happy holidays, Jeff

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:16 am**

Well I got to the point I was chasing my tail so I put a thin layer of primer on the side to see where I am at.

The primer was still wet when I took the pictures and quit for the day. That is why the primer looks spotty. Getting lazy, it was only midnight

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:35 am**

Hi,
You are working fast but most probably that is the only way to get a move on with a bigger boat. I could not imagine to work until midnight. It is good to see your progress on the side of the boat documented with a picture because I will be doing the bottom and the sides soon and I always learn from detailed pictures. Have a happy and not to cold up there festive season.
Greetings from Karl

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:00 am**

Thanks Karl,
This hull was pot marked like a teenage boy with a bad case of acne.

The first pictures did not show how bad it really was. I am still not too sure how well this is going to come out

My first plan was to gel coat the sides. My thought was this would not shine like paint and show all the little flaws. That did work out so well

so I went to plan "B".
I will bring the graphite up the sides about three inches so I did not prime that area. The shear line will get a bunch of work so I am not worrying with that area yet also. I still do not have a plan for painting the sides so when I get to that point I will be seeking lots of advice.
One more round of fairing on the bottom finished today. So question for the pros, should I prime the bottom or just go ahead and lay the graphite on it?

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:36 am**

There was another build thread that asked the same. Don't recall if it was an od or ob. I believe the outcome come was "don't waste the primer" as it doesn't do anything for you. I believe CL commented to that effect.

Found it!!

http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... ry#p382333

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:17 am**

Fuzz Go right to graphite .

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:32 pm**

Straight to graphite it will be. Thanks for the advice Topwater and the link Jaysen.
Might be a day or so. After looking at the bottom at least one more round of fairing is called for. And it looks like I will get to spend most of today plowing snow

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:42 pm**

Hi,
We just have a wiff of snow 1 cm so I can still cycle with my Winter dog everyday 6 km. She is a cross between a Bernese mountain dog and a Samojede and I hope she will one day be a waterdog sailing with me on the Adelie. Good luck with the graphite.
Greetings from Karl

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:39 am**

Change of plans due to a Cloof moment.
About a week ago I "misplaced" my wallet. I was sure I would stumble across it in a day or so but after three days of looking no go

so after going to DMV for a new drivers licence I cancelled all my debit and credit cards. I was told 3-7 days for replacements. We will see about that. Now all of this would be nothing but a "thang" if I did not need to order some stuff. I was totally sure I had plenty of graphite to do my boat but sure enough I am no where close

. So I guess I will keep on working the sides over until I can get my supplies.

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:36 am**

What really sucks, is if you are like me, two or three days after you replace everything you will find the old wallet.

Posted: **Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:54 pm**

cape man wrote:What really sucks, is if you are like me, two or three days after you replace everything you will find the old wallet.

That's the only way to guarantee it wasn't stolen.

If you do nothing, it will turn out to have been stolen, and you will have a big fight with your bank trying to get money back.

If you report it, it will turn out to have been in a jacket you forgot you wore.

It's the same as weather. If it's beautiful so you plan a fishing trip for Saturday, you just ruined the weather for everyone. If you volunteer to work because you're sure the perfect weather won't last all week and then the weekend too, all your friends will haul in the best fish of the year.

Unavoidable.

Posted: **Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:43 pm**

Thanks guys,
Now that I have applied for a new drivers licence and all new credit cards I am shocked my wallet has not shown up

As for the weather.................I spent my entire working career working remote/offshore. I either worked week on week off, or two on two off, for most of that time. I can not tell you how often I sat and watched perfect weather while working only to come home to wind and rain

I think I still hold the record at my old work place for longest stuck waiting on weather. Almost 6 full days of my 7 days off

Now that we have been trained to use plastic for everything it is a real pain when you do not have it. Oh well, I have plenty to keep me busy, it is just not what I want to be doing

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:47 am**

For X-mas my wife bought me new sweat pants. She does not like me wearing the ones covered in epoxy around the house for some reason

Funny part was my daughter did the same thing. So the second thing I received from both of them was a new wallet

And of course right after that my old wallet turned up..........big surprise, that is the way it works. Couple of days later I received a new credit card and was able to call the good folks here up and get some graphite ordered. So I have been taking a little time off and watching all the ball games. I hope to have something worth pictures in a few days.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:38 am**

I got the graphite ordered from Jeff and the team a couple of days before New Years. Today was the first day the post office was open and low and behold there is a box from Bateau waiting on me. Guess the holidays are over and I have to go back to work on the skiff

Really fast shipping guys, thank you very much

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:49 am**

Looking forward to seeing how it looks

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:28 am**

Got to the point of laying the first coat of graphite on the bottom. I used a "best quality" short nap mini roller to spread it. As you can see I got some fuzzies. I will have to do a light sanding and hope it takes them out. I might end up going with a west system roller but I understand they do not work very well either. Oh well I guess in the end only the fish will see the bottom, I hope

Bateau sent me some more quickfare also. Good thing as after priming the sides I see some areas that need more work. I do not know if System3 has changed the formula a little or if I just got some much fresher than I am used to but this stuff is much creamier and spreads better.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:07 am**

Use a guide coat & all the spots that need work will show up.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:10 am**

Fuzz, hope you are warm and the weather is reasonable!!! No change to the System Three QuickFair!! I agree builders love it!! Jeff

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:38 am**

Fuzz try the west roller on the next coat then use a heat gun to try and get it to flow out .
John

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:33 am**

One tip on reducing roller fuzzies is to get some sticky tape and run the roller over that first. That will pull a lot of the loose fuzz off of there before you use it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:38 pm**

Jeff for some reason this batch of System3 is more creamy that any other I have used. It is even nicer to use than normal

As for the weather well...........it is a nice balmy 10 below zero this morning. If I did not know better I would say this is Alaska in January

Peewee and Topwater I will give both of your roller tricks a try. It takes about 24oz to cover this bottom so I need to find something that works.
Yep need to give the sides another guide coat and get them a little closer. There is not much area that is straight so it has been a pain the the rump

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:40 pm**

Cape Fisherman thanks for the reply.
Had a cloof moment and had to go back to see your handle

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:01 pm**

Yeah, those c-flex boats require a lot of fairing to get right. But it'll be solid in the end.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:53 pm**

cape_fisherman wrote:Yeah, those c-flex boats require a lot of fairing to get right. But it'll be solid in the end.

It didn't help that it was
A. My first C-flex boat.
B. I did not have a frame kit. I cut the frames from mylar.
C. I really was just learning to fibreglass
D. I got in a hurry so I could use it for the up coming fishing season.
There are some waves, small ones, in the bottom that are not going to ever come out. Just going to live with them.
Glass was cheap back then. I thought I followed the lamination schedule but this thing is over built to the max. All that said I still want it to look decent. It will never be up to the standard of some of the builds here. I will be happy with something less than Butt-ugly

Posted: **Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:42 am**

In general, how did you find the C-flex process and results?

I saw it for the first time fairly recently (although I know it's already fairly old) and thought it was kind of interesting. Heavier for sure, but if you don't like cored materials and you want compound curves it's an interesting way to go. Looks pretty nasty to wet out, though, and someone was telling me that doing it with epoxy isn't really an option, although I have no idea whether that's actually true or not.

Posted: **Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:59 am**

cracked_ribs wrote:In general, how did you find the C-flex process and results?

I saw it for the first time fairly recently (although I know it's already fairly old) and thought it was kind of interesting. Heavier for sure, but if you don't like cored materials and you want compound curves it's an interesting way to go. Looks pretty nasty to wet out, though, and someone was telling me that doing it with epoxy isn't really an option, although I have no idea whether that's actually true or not.

Building boats like we do here is a lot more enjoyable. First you get much better support and second you are not dealing with all the fumes.
I am not too sure how the folks here feel about discussions involving other building methods and I do not want to misuse this forum so if you want to know more please send me a PM with your email and I would be happy to chat about it more.

Posted: **Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:07 am**

Well I now have 2 coats of graphite on the bottom. I will need to add at least one more. I have not been able to stay in the 24 hour window but I needed to sand anyway. What grit paper do you folks think is needed?

I did a little sanding on the sides before taking this picture so the bottom is a little dusty.

Posted: **Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:03 pm**

You're making great progress

120-180 grit. That's all you need, looking good

Posted: **Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:46 pm**

Aripeka Angler wrote:You're making great progress
120-180 grit. That's all you need, looking good

Thanks Richard. I have a bunch of 150 grit so I will give it a try.
Some days I think I am gaining and the next I am asking what did I get myself into

I keep telling myself not to rush this part, done that before, but I am ready to move on to the next phase.

Posted: **Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:10 pm**

It has been cold and clear here the past few weeks. Wake up this morning and it has warmed up to 10f. This would be nice except we had heavy fog to go with it. Normally no big deal but today SWMBO had a flight out to Mother Russia. Flight got cancelled. Three different airlines were involved to get her there and the only answer I get from them is "tough beans" buy new tickets. Travel insurance bought and same story from them. Mommas not happy so I am mad at the world today

Posted: **Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:19 pm**

Bad day Fuzz, hope tomorrow is better for you both!! Jeff

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:18 am**

Well I got SWMBO off to visit family so I had some time to work on the boat.

That black graphite sure shows up every little flaw

Oh well only me and the fish will know. I have a little more touch up to do and then it will be time to flip this thing over.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:27 am**

One of the side. It is far from perfect but it is a lot better than before. Had one of my fishing partners stop by and he commented that it was looking much better so that made me feel like it is worth the effort.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:08 am**

Nice Fuzz!!! Jeff

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:58 am**

Definitely looking better!

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:00 am**

Your rebuild is coming along nicely. I really like the lines of the Sintes designed hulls. I looked up Sintes and their shop is Metairie, LA, only about a 45 minute drive from my house.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:20 pm**

cvincent wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:00 am Your rebuild is coming along nicely. I really like the lines of the Sintes designed hulls. I looked up Sintes and their shop is Metairie, LA, only about a 45 minute drive from my house.

Better call first and make sure they are open. Dave was a really nice guy but it is my understanding he passed a few months ago.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:00 pm**

I knew I felt a bit of a nip in the air this morning

Just got around to checking the temperature, it is -30

You southern boys do not know the fun you are missing

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:13 pm**

Yes, looking much better! Your hull has nice lines as well.
What do you do for heat in your shop when it's -30F?

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:31 pm**

When I built the shop I put in floor heating loops. I have a 125,000BTU diesel fired boiler. Makes for really nice and even heat. I did not put any zones in the loops so I have to heat the whole place if I use the floor heat. With the price of diesel being what it is I made a partition about 18x24 to work in during the winter. That way I heat a much smaller area. I have two diesel fired heaters in the partitioned area that are 40,000BTU each. Even with that I will still probably hold off on boat work until it warms up to -10 or better. The room is warm but the slab is not and my poor little feeties get cold

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:52 pm**

Just discovered this thread Fuzz. So this is what you've been up to. Very interesting hull form and project. What's the extension on the transom?

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:41 am**

I have been wondering when somebody was going to ask about the extension.

I have not gone into it much because JM does not really want to have anything to do with a home made bracket for some very good reasons and I respect that. So short answer is I will be building my own bracket for the boat. I will welcome any and all input from the group with the caveat that this has not been approved by the designer. I like to try new stuff and live with it not working out sometimes. You of all people should understand that given the project you have on your hands. I am not sure my sense of adventure reaches the same heights as yours

But I do admire and envy you for yours

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:26 am**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:41 am I will be building my own bracket for the boat. I will welcome any and all input from the group with the caveat that this has not been approved by the designer.

Sounds interesting Fuzz. How are you constructing the bracket, and to what size etc. This info and a few pics should get a discussion started.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:43 am**

Thanks for the interest there GlossieBlack.
I need to get the bottom finished and flip it over before some of what I have in mind will be easier to see and talk about. I have seen it done before like what I have in mind but we will have to see how it all works out.
I have not worked on the boat for the past couple of weeks. Lives curve balls have sort of taken priority. First I came down with the flu. And then my father passed. I have been dealing with all that entails but hope to get back to the boat soon. Nice thing about boat building is it takes your mind off of other things for a while. My father lived a full and rich life with many dear friends. His passing was as easy as most could hope for. The rest of us should be so lucky when our time comes.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:23 am**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:43 am And then my father passed..... My father lived a full and rich life with many dear friends. His passing was as easy as most could hope for. The rest of us should be so lucky when our time comes.a

Sorry to hear about your father Fuzz. I lost mine in the same circumstances. In retrospect, my only regret is that I did not spend more time with his life long friends when his time was up. Because all too soon, they were gone too.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:01 am**

Sorry about your father Fuzz. Can't wait to see the Sintes flipped. Dan in Mn

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:32 pm**

Sorry to hear about your father.

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:25 pm**

Fuzz, sorry to hear about the loss of your father!! Jeff

Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:44 am**

Thanks guys, very much.
One really neat thing happened out of this. The 4 grandsons got together and asked for the right to build the casket. They did a wonderful job. I did not inherit the carpenter genes from him but it was clear they are not lost and the boys have them

Next posts will be back dealing with boat stuff

Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:34 am**

Really cool about the casket.

Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:28 am**

Fuzz, what a great memory for the grandson's!!! Jeff

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:57 am**

Well I got a little time to mess with the boat today. Getting closer to the flip but I keep finding little places that still need a little more work.

All that flare is a real pain to fare. If I get a couple more good days it should be good to flip.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:40 am**

GlossieBlack when you asked me about my plans for the bracket I was thinking I had a sort of novel plan.............nope should have known better

I knew I had seen it done before and after just a little searching sure enough I found where I had seen it before. I plan on doing things pretty much like DayTrip did on his Bertram. Hope he does not mind but I am stealing his idea

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:13 am**

[quote]All that flare is a real pain to fare./quote]
Fuzz you're a poet

But it sure does look good

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:36 am**

I really dig the lines on her. Looks like she wants to run...flat or rough and sloppy...

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:02 am**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:40 am GlossieBlack when you asked me about my plans for the bracket I was thinking I had a sort of novel plan.............nope should have known better I knew I had seen it done before and after just a little searching sure enough I found where I had seen it before. I plan on doing things pretty much like DayTrip did on his Bertram. Hope he does not mind but I am stealing his idea

Great precedent! If my memory serves me correctly, Peter C provided Day Tripper with an of the back of the truck dimensioned drawing from Armstrong. Your boat is looking great.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:20 pm**

The Flip!
Turns out there are two ways of doing it. One way is to have a well thought out plan, lots of help and all the rigging needed.
The other way is I am all by myself and I want this done today. Sort of the old "hold my beer and watch this" deal. I chose the latter.
It goes like this. Drill hole in side of boat and install BIG eyebolt with large backing.
Hoist boat up onto its side

Let uncontrolled flip commence

Go take a break until heart rate returns to normal. Inspect and see no blood no foul

The advantage of my chosen method is it allows you to check out how tough that new graphite bottom really is.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:36 pm**

Wow Fuzz, all by yourself on this flip??? Glad it went well with that big boat!!! Jeff

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:44 pm**

Thanks Jeff,
I am just glad I did not drop it this time. I did that once before when it was about 10 foot in the air. Made a heck of a lot of dust fly

here she is all tucked back into her warm spot.

I am tired, think I will call it a day.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:16 am**

Great day's work Fuzz.

Now enjoy a drink or two.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:34 am**

Yes, I think you deserve a break Fuzz!!! Looks nice tucked back in the shop!! Jeff

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:23 pm**

Spent the day removing the old transom and cutting back the stringers.The old transom was rotten but it was not about to come out easy.

This was the result of today’s work. Still have one more good day to get all the old stuff out. I am sure it could be done without my sonic crafter but I am not sure how. That little sucker paid for its self today.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:15 am**

Holy mother of ducks nuts Fuzz. If you ever run into the low life bastard responsible for that crap built interior, beat the shit out of him.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:51 am**

Glossie I am pretty sure Fuzz built it

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:58 am**

I think that's the humor of GB's post...

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:11 am**

Get ya' some! Looks like brutal work!

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:53 am**

glossieblack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:15 am Holy mother of ducks nuts Fuzz. If you ever run into the low life bastard responsible for that crap built interior, beat the shit out of him.

Not to worry Glossieblack, the moron who built this thing has been getting his butt kicked on a regular basis. I am pretty sure he is going to receive another one today also

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:34 pm**

This sort of stuff is as interesting or more so than the new build threads.

I go through bouts of excitement planning and thinking about my build, read through all the build threads and see how great different peoples boats look when they are done, but I know the story doesn't stop there.

These rebuild threads make me wonder what I need to be careful of with the initial build to minimize issues down the road. I see lots of mentions of rotten transoms and rotten floors.

I know its important to over-drill and pack any holes drilled with resin.
What do you think caused the rot in your transom?

I know that Jacques doesn't require glass on the top of the sole and decks, but lists 4 or 6 oz as optional.
Just how durable is several coats of resin over time? It seems that inevitably something dings the floor allowing an entry point for moisture?

Fuzz, what would you have told your younger self to do differently, to make this project easier today?

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:21 pm**

narfi wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:34 pm This sort of stuff is as interesting or more so than the new build threads.

I go through bouts of excitement planning and thinking about my build, read through all the build threads and see how great different peoples boats look when they are done, but I know the story doesn't stop there.

These rebuild threads make me wonder what I need to be careful of with the initial build to minimize issues down the road. I see lots of mentions of rotten transoms and rotten floors.

I know its important to over-drill and pack any holes drilled with resin.
What do you think caused the rot in your transom?

I know that Jacques doesn't require glass on the top of the sole and decks, but lists 4 or 6 oz as optional.
Just how durable is several coats of resin over time? It seems that inevitably something dings the floor allowing an entry point for moisture?

Fuzz, what would you have told your younger self to do differently, to make this project easier today?

A couple of things led to the rotten transom. One was it was not totally sealed. Two polyester was used and not epoxy. No matter what some might say poly just does not bond and stay bonded to wood. Three 25 years of time tends to work on things and find the flaws. This transom had a layer of mat between each layer of plywood. All that did was to make it a bigger pain to cut out. I am still not done, need to go town and get more blades for my sonic crafter.
The stringers were totally wrapped with about a 1/4 inch of glass. They are dry but with that much glass I do not think it matters. They would be plenty strong if the wood was not there and they were hollow. The deck is 3/4 plywood, just plain old CDX, with two layers of 1708 on top and nothing on the under side. So far the deck has been solid but I may cut it out just because. I have not decided on that yet.
The way to make it last is to get things well sealed so moisture has no way in. On the under side I think 2-3 coats of neat epoxy will do the trick but for the top side I like to add some glass. I am not sure you use much less epoxy going three coats than you use if you lay some glass with it. Somebody might have numbers and correct me on this but still I will glass any place that can see abuse.
Only thing I can think of to have made it easier today would to have made a lot more money so I could hire the crap work out

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:48 pm**

Just to make Glossie happy sure enough the moron got a butt kicking today

Spent the day with my sonic crafter, an air chisel and a crow bar. Just to top the afternoon off I broke out my little WMD for about an hour. I hate that thing but it does move some glass.

One clean transom to show for the days misery.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:51 pm**

Surprisingly the outside transom skin is only about 3/16 inch thick. I am wondering if I need to build it up a little before installing the plywood

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:44 am**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:48 pm Spent the day with my sonic crafter, an air chisel and a crow bar. Just to top the afternoon off I broke out my little WMD for about an hour.

Fuzz, you're such a SNAG. Why not dynamite too?

Seriously, congratulations on the necessary surgery you're doing without blinking.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:59 am**

Thanks Glossie

Well right after asking about the transom thickness I started hearing that damn Topwater and his buddy Murphy whispering in my ear. I got to be careful, I am starting the listen to the little voices

I have a bunch of 17oz biax so I think I will go ahead and add some.

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:50 am**

Looking good Fuzz. I have to ask...wtf is a wmd?

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:58 am**

Last time he and CL were passing the "weapon of mass destruction" label around it was in reference to an angle grinder.

Or was it a pot of beans?

Either way, something is getting messed up...

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:50 am**

[quote] I started hearing that damn Topwater and his buddy Murphy whispering in my ear./quote]

Mr Murphy is unforgiving , you are a good man Fuzz

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:07 pm**

Good memory there Jaysen. 4 inch grinder with a 24 grit disk = WMD. If you want to move a bunch of glass it works like a champ but there is nothing subtle about it. If you are not careful you can cause yourself a lot of grieve.
Man you Florida boys, Topwater, Capeman and Jaysen are up and posting early. And on a Sunday no less.

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:04 pm**

Early? I slept in a few hours.

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:20 am**

Times awasting man!

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:23 am**

I would post earlier but i can't log in between 700 am and 800 am

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 am**

Thinking about the plywood for the transom and stringers. The only thing I can get my hands on around here is fir marine. Anyone see a problem with that? It will be well covered with epoxy. I knew I should have bit the bullet and ordered a bunch of wood from here but I am not sure what all I might want.

And to make it pay out I would need to get a fairly large amount at one time. Having a bunch of extra plywood laying around might cause me to do something stupid

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:49 am**

Having a bunch of extra plywood laying around might cause me to do something stupid

The fir should be fine as long as it is truly marine grade and you seal it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:36 pm**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 amHaving a bunch of extra plywood laying around might cause me to do something stupid-er

fixed it for you...

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:26 pm**

I have a pirogue made from marine fir and epoxy that has been outside for 10 years or so. The boat is still as solid as the day I built it. Fir will last but will suck up more epoxy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:53 pm**

Jaysen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:36 pm
Fuzz wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 amHaving a bunch of extra plywood laying around might cause me to do something stupid-er
fixed it for you...

no slack from this bunch.................if I had feelings you guys could bruise them

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:55 pm**

cvincent wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:26 pm I have a pirogue made from marine fir and epoxy that has been outside for 10 years or so. The boat is still as solid as the day I built it. Fir will last but will suck up more epoxy.

Thanks Cvincent.
Sort of my thoughts but wanted to check before proceeding. If this rebuild lasts 25 years someone else will have to do the next rebuild

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:23 pm**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:53 pm
Jaysen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:36 pm
Fuzz wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 amHaving a bunch of extra plywood laying around might cause me to do something stupid-er
fixed it for you...

no slack from this bunch.................if I had feelings you guys could bruise them

I fully expect you to return the favor this weekend.

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:05 am**

[/quote]
I fully expect you to return the favor this weekend.
[/quote]

You do know the longer you wait to show us an update the more critical this crowd will be

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:28 am**

I've been pondering how you will install the new transom. As I understand it, you've got a freestanding existing skin of fibreglass, and you'll be installing the new transom on the inside or forward of it.Is this correct? If so, the challenge is get an excellent bond between the new transom and the existing skin, especially as the new o/b bracket is hanging of the aft face if the skin. Is this the situation?

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:57 am**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:05 am
I fully expect you to return the favor this weekend.
You do know the longer you wait to show us an update the more critical this crowd will be

I want to give you guys plenty of ammo. Honestly though... all weather and daylight.

glossieblack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:28 am I've been pondering how you will install the new transom. As I understand it, you've got a freestanding existing skin of fibreglass, and you'll be installing the new transom on the inside or forward of it.Is this correct? If so, the challenge is get an excellent bond between the new transom and the existing skin, especially as the new o/b bracket is hanging of the aft face if the skin. Is this the situation?

I've the same question. All I can come up with is over drilling for bolts every 10-12" then using backing boards to distribute pressure (using torque wrench on bolts to ensure even pressure to backing boards) but that seems like a bad idea. Maybe using some steel L or U with some spacers could to reduce the number of holes but still... Seems wrong. Should be interesting to see how this is done.

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:20 am**

How about clamping a piece of plywood on the outside skin and then use screws from the inside to apply even clamping pressure when laminating your transom. Apply packing tape to the inside face of the exterior plywood mold so epoxy will not adhere to it. Once done remove screws and outside plywood mold and fill screw holes with epoxy. Just an idea.

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:52 am**

Funny you guys are all thinking about that. Me too. The plan is to drill holes in the skin and use bolts and 2x4 strong backs to suck it up tight. Lay a liberal coat of wood/epoxy glue on both the transom and plywood and setting it in place. I have been thinking about drilling a bunch of holes in the plywood to allow squeeze out and know I have a good bond.
First things first, I need to build up the transom skin some before I move on. That will be today’s project if all goes well.

Posted: **Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:04 pm**

Looking good Fuzz

You are a better man than me the way you attacked that transom. Nice looking work!
You are working pretty fast, do you have an estimated date that you will be crossing the finish line?

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:16 am**

Right now it is just me and SWMBO's dog at home so I have lots of time to mess with the boat. I do not expect this to last so I am making hay while the sun shines. I do not really expect to be done this year but we will see what happens. Some time next week I hope to get in a little winter king fishing.

Today I made up a filler piece to go in the transom cut out and then laid 58oz , 2 12oz and 2 17 oz, of biax on the outside skin to give it a little more thickness. Not sure it really needed it but I feel better about it so that is what counts I guess.

If things go well I hope to be putting in some plywood tomorrow.

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:25 am**

Right now all 4 stringers are cut back about 1 foot. The plan is to cut windows in the transom and carry the middle two stringers out and tie them into the bracket. Do you think I should cut the centre two back some more or just plan on using a bunch of glass to tie the old and new ones together?
Just checked my epoxy supply and almost went into a panic.

Need to call Jeff and the team in the morning and get a reload.

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:25 am**

I don't know what the professionals would do but i was thinking run your stringers out to the bracket and glass them to
the existing ones in the boat then sister them right to the transom and glass. But i am not a naval architect nor do i play one on TV

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:01 pm**

Fuzz wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:25 am The plan is to cut windows in the transom and carry the middle two stringers out and tie them into the bracket.

Does this mean that the bottom section of the two extended stringers would become vertical skegs or fins on the underside of the bracket, because the bracket's bottom sits higher than the transom bottom?

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:59 pm**

The stringer extensions will carry through the transom and out to the end of the bracket. They will be cut to fit the bracket. Nothing will be outside of the hull or the bracket. I hope I explained this ok

I hope in a few days to be able to post pictures that will make things a little more clear.

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:36 pm**

Called the team at Bateau this morning for a little more epoxy. It was really nice to talk with them and they jumped right on my order. First class service

Just for info I paid less than I could have got it here and I do not have to drive 4 hours to go get it

Posted: **Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:06 pm**

Fuzz, thank you for the kind comments!! You just stay warm up there and rebuild that transom as soon as possible!!! Jeff

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:25 am**

Got the first layer of plywood installed today. I will need to wait until I get more epoxy to add more plywood. Thats ok I have plenty of other stuff to keep me busy for a few days.

My strong back clamping system seems to have worked pretty good. Had to drill and screw some blocks in the corners to get them pulled in good.

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:34 am**

Fast and confident work. Go Fuzz!

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 am**

70 F this morning. Transom is looking stout.

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:15 pm**

cape man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 am 70 F this morning. Transom is looking stout.

Heck its 16F and snowing here this morning. This warming trend keeps up and I will have to go do a little fishing

70F is a great summer day here. On good years we might even get half a dozen days like that a year

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:17 pm**

glossieblack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:34 am Fast and confident work. Go Fuzz!

I am pretty much just following along with the way it is shown in the tutorial here.
I am sure things are going to be better than the first time around.

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:14 pm**

cape man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 am 70 F this morning. Transom is looking stout.

82'F was the high here today

Fuzz, what capeman didn't tell you was the part about the plunging temps here tonight

Brrrr, 45'F

I sure hope it warms up soon...

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:33 pm**

Looking good Fuzz, really like the like the lines of that boat.

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:54 pm**

Aripeka Angler wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:14 pm
cape man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 am 70 F this morning. Transom is looking stout.
82'F was the high here today
Fuzz, what capeman didn't tell you was the part about the plunging temps here tonight
Brrrr, 45'F I sure hope it warms up soon...

That sounds like perfect temperature to me. Nice and warm in the day and cool enough to sleep good at night

Posted: **Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:57 pm**

Frank_HdG wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:33 pm Looking good Fuzz, really like the like the lines of that boat.

You better like the lines. They are pretty darn close to your boat

Hope your weather improves soon so you can get back to work

Posted: **Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:19 pm**

Well it is snowing to beat the band here today.

So could not really do anything outside until the snow stops. Waiting on my epoxy order and got to looking at the boat. Nothing good came from this

Next thing I knew the power tools came out. Now it looks like I am going to take this thing down to a bare hull and go from there.

I think I will take the deck out in sections so I have a level place to work from.

Posted: **Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:26 pm**

That's a pretty good dusting of snow!
I kid you about our warm weather, I really enjoy a little cold weather myself.
I look forward to checking out your boat this summer when we get up there

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:37 am**

Snowed most of the day but it was fine flacks so it did not amount to more than 4-5 inches.
I don't mind the weather kidding. The better the weather the more people who live there. I do not do crowds very well so crappy weather is the price paid.
Richard I am hoping by the time you get here I don't have to hide this thing in shame

I guess we will just have to wait and see

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:56 am**

Am I seeing right? Everything including stringers stripped out?

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:08 am**

glossieblack wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:56 am Am I seeing right? Everything including stringers stripped out?

No I am not that crazy

The deck and stringers are still there. The stringers are 2 one inch and 2 two inch. they are wrapped with close to 1/4 inch of glass. With that much glass I do not think it matters if the stringers are rotten or not. They would be fine if they were hollow. When I cut the stringers back they were solid so I am guessing the rest of them will be. When I remove the deck I will know for sure.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:23 pm**

76 F.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:43 pm**

77 F up here! That cool ocean breeze must be keeping the temp down for you.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:24 pm**

67 out here in the barrier islands. A thermometer over the sun warmed SAN reads much higher.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:40 pm**

-4f it's warming up was -20 this morning.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:46 pm**

That is COLD!!! Try to stay warm!! Jeff

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:48 pm**

Narfi you are in a cold spot. It was only -8 here this morning, and it is a balmy 6f here now

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:45 pm**

86 F.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:57 pm**

Well the weather improved today

And the temperature was not too bad in the shop

Best I can do to defend us Narfi

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:10 pm**

I don't know what it says for the builder but this thing is a real bear to take apart

Cutting out a 1/4 inch of glass is about as easy as it has been

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:48 am**

Fuzz, nice warm shop!! A a beautiful picture of the area!!! Jeff

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:52 am**

I don't think I've ever seen a thermometer that went down to -60!! I guess there's not much need for them around these parts.

Good luck on dismantling that tank.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:27 pm**

Jeff wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:48 am Fuzz, nice warm shop!! A a beautiful picture of the area!!! Jeff

Thanks Jeff. At times this is truly a beautiful place to live. But then there are a lot of nice places on this old rock.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:34 pm**

pee wee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:52 am I don't think I've ever seen a thermometer that went down to -60!! I guess there's not much need for them around these parts.

Good luck on dismantling that tank.

It is really tough when you see one pegged out. Makes the old nose hairs crackle

I finally said enough of the messing around and broke out the 7 1/4 skill saw and some carbide blades. Makes a mess but it will cut some glass. I have seen 40 foot hulls cut in half in no time using a circular saw and carbide blades

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:16 pm**

We have a minus 80 C freezer at work for samples.

What are you cutting now?

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:34 pm**

A little earlier I removed the glass from to gunnels running down the inside on one side. Still need to do the same on the other side. And I am pretty sure the deck is all coming out while I am at it. No epoxy for a few days so I might as well go ahead and tear something up

Maybe next time I am down your way I can bring my saw and WMD so I can help you do a little finish work

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:11 pm**

No rest for the weary around here. I ordered more epoxy on Wednesday the 8th. Today I go check the mail and low and behold I have my order. 5 days and 2 of them were weekend days. Pretty darn good service I would say. Looks like it will be back to the transom in the morning.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:40 pm**

Fuzz, yes, I must admit, USPS is not a bad service!! Glad it got there that quick!! Send me photos!! Jeff

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:38 pm**

Got the second layer of plywood installed. One more to go.

I installed three layers, total of 2 inches, in the bracket transom. Plan is to core the bracket with plywood and then install the stringer extensions. Does anyone see a problem doing it this way?

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:50 pm**

Fuzz, That looks great!! That was also a lot of work to get to where your are!!! Jeff

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:50 am**

Nothing picture worthy but it feels good to get the last layer of transom plywood installed. I hope to be to the point of tabbing things in tomorrow. I have a roll of 17oz biax so I am planning on using it for the tabbing. How many layers should I use? I think 3-4 but this is just a guess.

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:29 am**

Bit of a milestone getting the 3 transom layers in. It's sundowner time here, so I'm having a cold one for you.

Sorry I can't give any advice on laminations, detailing the bracket and stringers etc - way out of my league. What hp o/b engine are you hanging of that bracket?

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:11 am**

glossieblack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:29 am Bit of a milestone getting the 3 transom layers in. It's sundowner time here, so I'm having a cold one for you.

Sorry I can't give any advice on laminations, detailing the bracket and stringers etc - way out of my league. What hp o/b engine are you hanging of that bracket?

Thanks Glossieblack,
I am happy to get that part in back of me. I would sure hate to try and cut this puppy out. I am thinking I will put 150-200hp on it. I have an older 150 2-stroke that I will use at least for testing when the time comes.

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:29 pm**

With the whole thing boxed in with ply and then tabbed, taped, and glassed with 1708, stringers running back all the way, can't see where anything should move at all. The main force will be transmitted forward through the stringers, and I just can't see how the torque could move that transom or the bracket with that much "beef" on it. The only thing I might want to add would be two diagonal/triangular shaped braces (2 pieces each of 3/8" ply laminated together) running from the top of the bracket down to the stringers.

All that said, ask the main man to be sure!

Am loving this rebuild David. When you first started posting I thought you were nuts, but now that her sexy lines are coming out of the haze she's a beauty for sure. Good on you for dressing her up for another decade or two of dancing. If I'm lucky you can take me for a wild ride one day. Just don't know if I want to try that beach trailer stuff though...

Posted: **Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:35 pm**

Maybe it was just the 55 gallon barrels that made her look shabby...

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:23 am**

Well I did not get as far as I hoped today. I spent a large part of the day ploughing snow. Part of the price for living here I guess.
I did get the transom bedded and ready for tabbing in the morning if all goes well

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:38 am**

cape man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:29 pm With the whole thing boxed in with ply and then tabbed, taped, and glassed with 1708, stringers running back all the way, can't see where anything should move at all. The main force will be transmitted forward through the stringers, and I just can't see how the torque could move that transom or the bracket with that much "beef" on it. The only thing I might want to add would be two diagonal/triangular shaped braces (2 pieces each of 3/8" ply laminated together) running from the top of the bracket down to the stringers
All that said, ask the main man to be sure!

Am loving this rebuild David. When you first started posting I thought you were nuts, but now that her sexy lines are coming out of the haze she's a beauty for sure. Good on you for dressing her up for another decade or two of dancing. If I'm lucky you can take me for a wild ride one day. Just don't know if I want to try that beach trailer stuff though...

I sort of had the same thing in mind for the transom bracket. Between the stringers and the extra bracing I think it will be strong enough.
You are not the only one who thinks I am nuts. On more than one day I too am pretty sure I am nuts.
I always thought she had good bones just needed to be cleaned up some. Sort of like that girl we all knew in high school and never paid any attention to. 10 years later you run into her and realise you were an idiot.
You ever get up this way we will defiantly go kill some fish. And I promise to keep you off THAT beach

Posted: **Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:46 am**

cape man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:35 pm Maybe it was just the 55 gallon barrels that made her look shabby...

What, you do not like my stylish boat stands

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