HC14, Jefferson State

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HC14, Jefferson State

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This is my first post on my first boat build. I just received the basic building blocks to build a Hiawatha 14 canoe. My first task, try to post pictures because we all like boat porn with lots-o-pictures.
Here are 4 sheets of the 1/4" BS1088 Okoume I got from a local supplier in Medford. I bought 4 (the plans call for 3) in case I made any mistakes, and also so I would have extra for seats, breasthooks, and future builds (of course).
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Here is the epoxy and other goodies picked up from our gracious hosts at Bateau. Again, extra epoxy for first timer mistakes and for future builds.
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Any suggestions on ideal diameter of PVC pipe for drawing our lines on the plywood? Does anything else as readily available work as well or better?

Any suggestions on the best way to cut this wood (using circular saw)? It is so thin it bows between the saw horses more than I expected. What I am thinking of doing is getting a sheet of 1" beaver barf (whatever you call that stuff that is sawdust and glue) and doing my cutting on that on the floor. Sound good?

This weekend I will make my last purchases and plan on starting to cut wood.


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I am also a first time builder and have found the 4" cigar foam roller below is your best friend - it applies light coats of epoxy and spreads it EVEN to avoid runs. The rounded end works great to help with rounding the fillets. Trust me it will really help not over applying epoxy - A Cracker Larry copycat

Paint roller cover 4" Cigar Style 2 pack epoxy compatible at Baetean website
http://boatbuildercentral.com/proddetai ... _4in_cigar


Second best friend - quality sandpaper and good sander - I like Klingspor heavey duty pape http://www.woodworkingshop.com/r 60 grit and Porter Cable sander link to sander
http://www.cpooutlets.com/factory-recon ... lishers--9


Good Luck and have fun
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A thin wood batten is the best thing for laying out the curves, a lot better than pipe.

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Put a couple of 2X4s across the saw horses, then put the ply on the 2X4s to keep it from sagging. I use a circular saw with the blade set about 1/8" deeper than the ply thickness to cut the curves.
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Is there anything special to the Bateau foam rollers, or can I get equivalent at my local hardware store and do just fine with that? I already have a brand new Milwaukee random orbit sander I got just for this project, so we'll see how that works for me.

It looks like my first cut will be that batten you mentioned Cracker. I also like your idea of using those plywood triangles w/clamps instead of nails to locate the batten.
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Not all those foam rollers are compatible with epoxy, some start to disintegrate. Test any unknown product where it won't matter. There are some at Harbor Freight that will work, too. There are also some yellow foam rollers available here and from West that fit a regular diameter roller frame and don't soak up as much epoxy as the cigar shaped rollers.
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I saw what they had at Harbor Freight (we have one local), and I was uncertain to how much it might absorb. Pee Wee, when you mention West, are you referring to a distributor or a manufacturer? I've heard them mentioned before but never looked into what 'West' was.
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He is referring to rollers made by West Systems Epoxies, not to West Marine which is a marine supply company. They are a short nap yellow foam made for epoxy but I don't find them to last any longer than the ones I buy at Lowes for less. I prefer the 4" white foam rollers labeled Cabinet and Door Rollers, made by Whizz.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_119118-64900-94 ... Info=WHIZZ
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Sounds good to me. Do you mix in a standard roller-pan (tray?) too? If you cannot tell, I would rather spend an extra $10 than an extra 2 hours of frustration.

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Don't listen to this to much best thing to do is get your own feeling to it, but I personally don't like the foam rollers to much, I like the short haired rollers mostly labeled as 2 component rollers, something like this.
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They never start to disintegrate and you can actually put a lot of pressure on those, squeezing more epoxy out of the glass moving it to where it is needed, this also gives you a better glass/ epoxy ratio, also air pockets are easily squeezed out with rollers like this, so less need for those specialized rollers ( you still need them believe me)like this Image
Mix in a mixing cup, roll in the wood with epoxy, putt the glass on, mix another batch epoxy (a lot of them :wink: ) and dump this on the glass, use a squeeze to spread this over, but more important into the glass, after that use the roller I showed, again this is the way I like to do it, and for me in the climate I lived in worked best, so it's just a suggestion, again you got to get your own feeling to it

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I've got 2 of those and almost never use them except for thin cloth, but like Peter said, you have to develop your own feel for what works best for you.. By the time you figure it out with a little boat like a HC14, you'll be ready to build a bigger boat 8)
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