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Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi this is more an experiment as it is a build thread, it all started here.
The link above is more a reference for myself since I posted some drawings and stuff there, I call it a experiment since I'm not sure I'm going to succeed this one, but for sure I'm gonna try, if it turns out to be a fiasco please don't blame me for trying.
For the plans I don't have much more as a table of offsets and some brief descriptions, plans are certainly not as extensive as the Bateau.com plans we are used to, therefore all will be going at a slow pace, so please bear with me. :wink:

Was nesting the frames today, did the best I could, still I used way more wood as I thought I would or wood :P just enough or just not enough material left for the straight stringers, we will see. :?

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:00 am
by Eric1
Heck of a Cool project! Looking forward to this Peter. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:40 am
by danieloldhouse
Something tells me you're missing boatbuilding... isnt'it? :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:19 am
by BarraMan
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder - cause to me that boat is fugly! :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:25 pm
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote:I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder - cause to me that boat is fugly! :doh:
Yes and? happy to ventilate your opinion? did it make you cum in your pants? :P or what was the intention of your comment? Please don't bother to reply because I couldn't care less for your opinion. Thank you!
danieloldhouse wrote:Something tells me you're missing boatbuilding... isnt'it? :roll:
Ding ding you're a winner :lol:
Eric1 wrote:Heck of a Cool project! Looking forward to this Peter. 8)
Yes I also do think so, but again it would be slow progress.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:11 pm
by BarraMan
Please don't bother to reply because I couldn't care less for your opinion.
Apologies Peter if my post caused offense - it was not intended to do so. My sense of humour can be a little different!

It was just an observation on my reaction to looking up the Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane.

My first thought on seeing your thread was "Cool!", but when I looked it up that changed to "Why?".

It reminds me of a canoe a mate and I built from an old motorcycle side car when we were kids.

I see that to be true to the original design you should install the motor with gear box attached - I guess that will give you 4 x forward and 1 x reverse gears! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:44 pm
by danieloldhouse
danieloldhouse wrote:Something tells me you're missing boatbuilding... isnt'it? :roll:
Ding ding you're a winner :lol:
Now what leaves me bewildered is: what the hell Jacques must design to attract your desire to build? Your's is one of the most beautiful buildings I've seen on this forum. I use to show your videos to all that doubt about self building :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:40 pm
by peter-curacao
danieloldhouse wrote:what the hell Jacques must design to attract your desire to build?
Thank you Daniel, Jacques wrote in another forum that maybe he will design this boat in stitch and glue somewhere next year. Not saying that he needs my help but maybe with this build and thread I can help him by telling what obstacles I encounter.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:55 pm
by cape man
Go Peter! Go!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:50 am
by danieloldhouse
I'll follow with great interest :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:38 am
by pee wee
That's such a cool looking boat, I can see why you'd get excited to see one come together. Neat project, and big on gratifying steps- should be fun to build and fun to use on good weather days.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:42 am
by Marshall Moser
Really looking forward to watching this come together. Peter, you always have the neatest tricks to achieve the look you're going for.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:11 pm
by MrPaul
Your CS came out great and I'm looking forward to following this thread as well. Please post lots of pics of the progress. I'd love to have one of these old style woodies to take the wife out on the weekends. They look absolutely beautiful with lots of polished wood and chrome on the topside. Don't know how you're planning on finishing yours, but I'm sure it will be nice.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys I will do my best but I'm still a little reserved.
From two nice sheets of Okume into a pile of wood
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First frame well actually the fourth frame :P is on the gluing table, let's see if this works, forgot to pre wet the wood, still a little rusty :?
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:01 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
Will follow Your thread of the Flyer with interest and I admire You to make such a clever nesting plan out of the many frames as You had nothing to go on besides this old plan. We still do not know what engine will be in the boat. I remember the Ferrari engine you once pictured and discussed ? Please let us know and I wish to see lots of pictures of your progress. I agree that only sail boats are beautiful and my fancy but that does not mean power boats are the opposite especially when the style is an old timer on the water. I am looking forward to the splashing of it and make sure we also hear the sound it makes. I am dreaming quite a lot ahead.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:29 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi Karl,
Thanks for your comment, I don't know jack about engines so for me it's a little intimidating, still don't know what I gonna use, best thing for me would be a complete ready to drop in running package including transmission and so on.
I like power but as I said I know little to nothing about it, speaking of power, since we have a teenage "champion" maybe I will plan our next summer vacation around the formula 1 grosser preis von Osterreich, Spielberg is that near your location?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:26 pm
by peter-curacao
Although he is getting old my little helper is always there, during my entire CS and now with the flyer that lazy ass is there :lol:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:57 pm
by cape man
He looks just like you

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:14 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote:He looks just like you
Yes he does, his balls are way bigger though :?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:10 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
Our dog lies around the same way all the time on its back but according to the climate here with thick and long fur but not in my boat building shed. I think it does not like the smell of epoxy and prefers the garden. Yes Spielberg is only 177 KM away from my home and famous for the Formular races of all kinds. Would be nice seeing you next Year.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:39 am
by danieloldhouse
peter-curacao wrote:
cape man wrote:He looks just like you
Yes he does, his balls are way bigger though :?
:lol: :lol: :lol: my neighbour has the same dog and it's really impressive the dimensions of it's balls, me having two hernias I'm glad mine are much smaller :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:29 pm
by peter-curacao
All frames are glued, sanded, and rounded on the inside, time for a strongback. 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I seriously doubt that puppy has bigger balls than you :P I've rode with you in a boat :wink: and had a couple of drinks with you too...
Interesting project you are working on, I'm following along for sure. See you in December if nothing changes...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:43 am
by cape man
Moving along quickly. I assume you are taping all those joints on the frames, or will you glass everything? Watching videos of that boat jumping through even a small chop she better be stiff everywhere. I know you will make something I will drool over.

Trying to find an excuse to get down and see you. The Aquarium there and others are doing some cool stuff with corals and deep water fish. ..

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:42 pm
by peter-curacao
Thanks guys, Richard yes we booked the hotel will be staying in Orlando from December 26th and leaving for Miami the 30th.
Craig would be great to welcome you here, yes not sure yet but will use full fabric biax on the bottom, tape inside and out I think but not sure yet.

Started with the strong back and putting most of the frames up, will brace the frame supports after boxing the stringers in.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:20 pm
by Jeff
Peter, this will be a great build to watch and I can't wait until finished, very cool boat!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:22 pm
by jacquesmm
Peter, once you get to the fiberglass, I can give you specs. I ma quite buys right now but I can calculate a thinner plywood skin with epoxy glass on each side, like your CS25.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:52 am
by BarraMan
I'm surprised you didn't tape the joins in the bulkheads.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:23 am
by danieloldhouse
Too much room around there, the other one was filling the whole space :roll: :D :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:31 am
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote:I'm surprised you didn't tape the joins in the bulkheads.
Off course they receive tape, just not now, they will be together with the hull panels and fillets once flipped.
danieloldhouse wrote:Too much room around there, the other one was filling the whole space :roll: :D :D
LOL indeed this is a breeze, can fair the bottom also without any stairs 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:02 pm
by danieloldhouse
danieloldhouse wrote:Too much room around there, the other one was filling the whole space :roll: :D :D
LOL indeed this is a breeze, can fair the bottom also without any stairs 8)[/quote]

Yeah, but You can't pick up a tuna in there :doh:

Jokin' apart it's gonna be a beautiful boat :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:09 pm
by peter-curacao
danieloldhouse wrote:
danieloldhouse wrote:Too much room around there, the other one was filling the whole space :roll: :D :D
peter-curacao wrote:LOL indeed this is a breeze, can fair the bottom also without any stairs 8)
Yeah, but You can't pick up a tuna in there :doh:
That's very true but.......you can pick up other fish smelly wet things in a boat like that Image

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:31 pm
by peter-curacao
All frames are up, tried to draw the bow mold without all dimensions there, I think it's close enough to the drawing, as far as I can see all lines , water. chine and sheer are flowing towards it.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:39 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looking good Peter, will be an interesting build.

At the moment it looks like a whale skeleton like you'd see in a museum :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:34 pm
by danieloldhouse
peter-curacao wrote:
danieloldhouse wrote:
danieloldhouse wrote:Too much room around there, the other one was filling the whole space :roll: :D :D
peter-curacao wrote:LOL indeed this is a breeze, can fair the bottom also without any stairs 8)
Yeah, but You can't pick up a tuna in there :doh:
That's very true but.......you can pick up other fish smelly wet things in a boat like that Image
Didn't think about that Peter! I must fly down there when you'll finish 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Figuring out the stringers in hardboard

Since I didn't got much reply on my stringer question, I decided to go ahead with 2x 6mm laminated 80 mm high full length inner stringers.
Maybe I will place outer stringers in 8 mm or also in 2x 6mm laminated.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:49 pm
by peter-curacao
Figured out the stringers , well I think I did :doh:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:48 am
by glossieblack
Peter, I’ve had to learn my way through the choice maze for a 1:1 gearbox/transmission connecting an engine to a straight prop shaft for my ST21 build. As you may be seeking the same thing, the following may be of assistance. I should stress that what follows is self-evident to experts, but was a series of OMG revelations to an amateur like myself.

Firstly, when in forward motion, the propeller is trying to push the shaft through the boat, and the only thing stopping it is the gearbox/transmission. So the gearbox needs a thrust bearing strong enough to take the lateral and torsional loads. If it hasn’t, the geearbox or the engine’s crank shaft will quickly be destroyed. Marine gearboxes have appropriate thrust bearings, but most non marine ones do not. For example the ZF Hurth 45C marine gearbox that I’m using has one, but the snappy little 1:1 boxes produced for souped up go carts, and that I nearly used, do not. To use one, I would have had to insert a standalone thrust bearing between it and where the prop shaft entered the boat. If you choose to use an automotive engine with its’ own gearbox, or one of the hot go cart boxes, then you’ll need to insert a thrust bearing that is firmly attached to the hull itself.

Secondly, most marine boxes are designed to be bolted directly on an engine, either by using an off the shelf bell housing (and sometimes with off the shelf adapter plates as well), or by having a marine engine builder modifying an off the shelf bell house and/or adaptor plates. So for example, if you go with a common automotive or marine engine and ZF Hurth 45C combination, chances are there will be off the shelf bell houses and adapter plates available. If you use a non marine box, then you’ll need a length of shaft connecting the box to the thrust bearing, then another length of shaft connecting this to the prop. The shaft connecting box to the thrust bearing is likely to require a universal joint at both ends, to cope with the vibrating movement of the engine on its mounts.

Hope this is of some help. The stringers look the goods. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:18 am
by cape man
Moving quickly!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:16 am
by Cracker Larry
Looks great! And what Craig said, you are moving fast! Not building on island time :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:24 am
by blueflood
Way cool Peter 8)
Reminds me of these :D
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Marc

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:27 am
by blueflood
justin_dwyer wrote:Looking good Peter, will be an interesting build.

At the moment it looks like a whale skeleton like you'd see in a museum :lol:
The Petersaurus Rex :lol: :D

Marc

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:57 pm
by MrPaul
Peter, don't mean to get off the subject but I see your build video on YouTube is labeled cs25+3. Did you stretch it 3 feet? I'm interested in a cs for my next build after the xf20 I'm currently building but would rather build a 28 ft boat. The 110 gal fuel capacity on the 25 is just not enough for the Texas coast and its gotta have twins. A 28 ft boat could hold the extra fuel for long runs off shore.

BTW. This one looks like it's coming along great! You build a lot faster than I do.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:59 am
by bateau-webmaster
Can't wait to see this one come together!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:39 pm
by peter-curacao
glossieblack wrote:Peter, I’ve had to learn my way through the choice maze for a 1:1 gearbox/transmission .................Hope this is of some help. :D
Thx Glossieblack this helps a lot, the intention is not to reinvent the wheel and stay with marine grade stuff only
Cracker Larry wrote:Looks great! And what Craig said, you are moving fast! Not building on island time :lol:
Thx Craig and Larry, yes Larry that Dutch mentality keeps following me :D but the start of a build always moves along quickly.
blueflood wrote:Way cool Peter 8)
Reminds me of these :D

Very cool pic Marc, Stylish car also
blueflood wrote: The Petersaurus Rex :lol: :D
Marc
That's funny :lol: :lol:
MrPaul wrote:Peter, don't mean to get off the subject but I see your build video on YouTube is labeled cs25+3. Did you stretch it 3 feet? I'm interested in a cs for my next build after the xf20 I'm currently building but would rather build a 28 ft boat. The 110 gal fuel capacity on the 25 is just not enough for the Texas coast and its gotta have twins. A 28 ft boat could hold the extra fuel for long runs off shore.

BTW. This one looks like it's coming along great! You build a lot faster than I do.
No worries, no I didn't stretch it, the 3" is the bracket/swim platform size, some or maybe all manufactures even include the anchor pulpit in the overall length, I don't think that's fair, that's why I labeled it 25+3 instead of 28. About fuel consumption I can troll a whole (long) day not even using 1 full thank (58 gallon) Don't know if by law you need 2 OB'S but if not I would go with a single and a kicker.
bateau-webmaster wrote:Can't wait to see this one come together!
Well here you have some more pics :P

Frames filleted and tabbed to the inner stringers, not the best work I have done but will do for now, decided to go for outer stringers also, I think/hope it's gonna be strong.
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Nesting outer stringers
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Gluing/laminating the outer stringers
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:18 pm
by MrPaul
Thanks for the info on the cs peter.

This one is coming along quickly! Can't wait to see some skin go on this hull. Looks like it's going to be a real nice boat.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:15 pm
by Joe H
Peter,
This is one very cool boat, speaking of skin, how are you going to determine the size and shape of the plywood panels? (Sorry if u discussed this earlier in your thread)

Thx
Joe H

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:22 pm
by peter-curacao
Joe H wrote:Peter,
This is one very cool boat, speaking of skin, how are you going to determine the size and shape of the plywood panels? (Sorry if u discussed this earlier in your thread)

Thx
Joe H
No problem Joe I didn't discuss it anyway, I'm planning to put a sheet on like in the picture and then run a long dowel along the inner, outer chine and sheer then mark it.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:41 pm
by Joe H
Good plan!
I was thinking I would have to draw everything up on CAD and unfold the panels then dimension them up, lots of hours of work, I like your idea better!

This may give me the incentive to design and build my own rum runner.

Thx
Joe H

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:30 pm
by glossieblack
Peter, do you prefer a marinized petrol or diesel engine?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:36 pm
by peter-curacao
glossieblack wrote:Peter, do you prefer a marinized petrol or diesel engine?
I think gas would be the most logic choise for a boat like this won't it?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:39 am
by justin_dwyer
Looking great Peter, you are seriously powering along!! :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:27 am
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote:
glossieblack wrote:Peter, do you prefer a marinized petrol or diesel engine?
I think gas would be the most logic choise for a boat like this won't it?
Most logical? I'm not so sure. Depends how highly you rate safety. Gas engines in boats have killed time and again over the years when gas vapours accumulate in the bilge and something causes ignition. This is why yacht designers go for diesel before gas. If you can detail a highly reliable way to ventilate the bilge without fear of introducing a spark, then a gas engine may be ok. My guess is that you're arse will parked in that same bilge, so it may pay to investigate diesel. :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:21 am
by BarraMan
glossieblack wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:
glossieblack wrote:Peter, do you prefer a marinized petrol or diesel engine?
I think gas would be the most logic choise for a boat like this won't it?
Most logical? I'm not so sure. Depends how highly you rate safety. Gas engines in boats have killed time and again over the years when gas vapours accumulate in the bilge and something causes ignition. This is why yacht designers go for diesel before gas. If you can detail a highly reliable way to ventilate the bilge without fear of introducing a spark, then a gas engine may be ok. My guess is that you're arse will parked in that same bilge, so it may pay to investigate diesel. :lol:
I was thinking the same thing - hate gas inboards! Seen too many of them blow up.

Gas for outboards - diesel for inboards, but somehow I don't think a diesel is gonna work in that thing. :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:11 am
by Jaysen
I typically favor non-petrol motivated vessels. This thing looks like it would be a blast for "runs into town" (aka showing off for the ladies).

Assuming you are planning to run it as a fast boat, I'm pretty sure you are going to need gas over diesel. I have no advice on venting other than "consider a EFI motor" to reduce vapor leak as much as possible. And using a turbo (as silly as it sounds) might actually help as it will let you use a smaller motor and get more bang out of it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:30 am
by bateau-webmaster
Pulse jet Just make sure and insulate the exhaust from any epoxy surfaces.:p

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:37 am
by Jaysen
You have no idea how hard it was for me to NOT post that...

Only issue would be throttle control. Once you start it, you are moving. I would think a turbine based generator with a high rpm/torque electric would be more practical. Add afterburner if you want to use turbine for thrust too...

But now I'm being evil.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:59 am
by bateau-webmaster
:D it is "The Flyer" 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:05 am
by peter-curacao
Image Yeah an MTU will really fit in there :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:35 am
by bateau-webmaster
Although you could throttle the pulse-jet by fuel flow (propane, so you'd need some way to moderate propane flow). you would also need an in-line blower to re-start on flame-out.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:37 am
by bateau-webmaster
I'd be more worried about how you would vector the thrust for steering.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:05 pm
by Jaysen
bateau-webmaster wrote:I'd be more worried about how you would vector the thrust for steering.
I wouldn't do it that way. Water is more dense than air so I'd use standard rudder for steering. The larger issue would be keeping the thrust close enough to the water line to prevent thrust related roll.

Now I want to build a PJ powered boat... look what you've done.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:12 pm
by peter-curacao
bateau-webmaster wrote:Although you could throttle the pulse-jet by fuel flow (propane, so you'd need some way to moderate propane flow). you would also need an in-line blower to re-start on flame-out.
How in the hell did we get from diesel to propane?? :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:01 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Jaysen wrote:
bateau-webmaster wrote:I'd be more worried about how you would vector the thrust for steering.
I wouldn't do it that way. Water is more dense than air so I'd use standard rudder for steering. The larger issue would be keeping the thrust close enough to the water line to prevent thrust related roll.

Now I want to build a PJ powered boat... look what you've done.
Good points there.
:D
I have been contemplating the idea for about 5 years now. I guess not contemplating hard enough :p
peter-curacao wrote:How in the hell did we get from diesel to propane?? :doh:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:17 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote:
bateau-webmaster wrote:Although you could throttle the pulse-jet by fuel flow (propane, so you'd need some way to moderate propane flow). you would also need an in-line blower to re-start on flame-out.
How in the hell did we get from diesel to propane?? :doh:
Lack of adequate adult supervision?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:11 pm
by TomW1
Peter I have been off line for a few days as our tower was being rebuilt. I would go with gas, your familiar with it can work on the engines. You only hear about the few bad cases over the millions of cases that are used every year. Just post a note/placard at the ignition key to start blowers for 5 minutes and you will be safe.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:00 pm
by glossieblack
BarraMan wrote: hate gas inboards! Seen too many of them blow up. Gas for outboards - diesel for inboards, but somehow I don't think a diesel is gonna work in that thing. :doh:
What about something like the Hyuandi Seasall D170P marine diesel package: generates about 160hp and has a bell house flange compatible with Borg Warner marine transmissions?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:29 pm
by peter-curacao
My farts even without eating beans sounds better, but thx anyway 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:15 pm
by glossieblack
Fair enough. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:44 pm
by BarraMan
Just move the cockpit forward a bit and hang one of these on the back! :D

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:34 pm
by TomW1
Why is everyone against Peter using a gas motor, it weighs much less than a diesel motor and proper safety precautions make it as safe to use as a diesel. Sure it happens by idiots that don't run there ventilation fans but I lived on Lake Erie and had one in 30 years, lived in Boston for 5 years and had none, lived in Charleston for 3 years and had none.

Peter by the way I didn't answer your question up above on boat numbers. U 60 would be Unlimited Hydroplane #60, the others are the same class numbers and the number in the class. I had a cousin Ron that raced back in the 70's when boat racing was really going strong in the Mid-West who raced in I believe the F class. It's been a long time so am not sure, but went to some of his races. The Unlimited's were something else to see. Even back then it was an expensive hobby. He had sponsorship from his work and a couple of restaurants in town. Some of the classes allowed turbo chargers, some super chargers, All required boat design styles. Some were commercial designs purchased off the local boat dealer, others like your Flyer built to exact specifications and checked before allowed into the class with max HP allowances.

Good luck and am enjoying your build.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:12 am
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote:Why is everyone against Peter using a gas motor, it weighs much less than a diesel motor and proper safety precautions make it as safe to use as a diesel. Sure it happens by idiots that don't run there ventilation fans but I lived on Lake Erie and had one in 30 years, lived in Boston for 5 years and had none, lived in Charleston for 3 years and had none.

Peter by the way I didn't answer your question up above on boat numbers. U 60 would be Unlimited Hydroplane #60, the others are the same class numbers and the number in the class. I had a cousin Ron that raced back in the 70's when boat racing was really going strong in the Mid-West who raced in I believe the F class. It's been a long time so am not sure, but went to some of his races. The Unlimited's were something else to see. Even back then it was an expensive hobby. He had sponsorship from his work and a couple of restaurants in town. Some of the classes allowed turbo chargers, some super chargers, All required boat design styles. Some were commercial designs purchased off the local boat dealer, others like your Flyer built to exact specifications and checked before allowed into the class with max HP allowances.

Good luck and am enjoying your build.
Thank you very much Tom, these are the answers I'm looking for and truly help me forward in my build, To others, well a few here, you don't have to like the boat I build, you may even hate it, after all we all have different taste, but that doesn't mean you have to be denigrated about it, thank you.

Edit: btw Tom the email I sent you was about our visit but for some reason it won't get through,arch island emailImage ,we stay in Pigeon forge close to Bryson City If you wanna have some beers, lunch or something I would be more than happy to buy you a few or a whole crate for that matter Image

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:06 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Peter,

Please don't think I'm poking fun. I personally don't know much about marine motors in general, let alone inboards, (diesel or gas). I absolutely love the design, and am glad to see someone doing such an awesome job at building that in Plywood/fg construction. I tend to resort to my own fantasy build ideas when I have nothing legitimate to contribute. My apologies.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:40 pm
by bateau-webmaster
I know marinizing an automotive engine can be tricky, but that picture of the old Bugatti hot-rod, and this build got me thinking back to when I used to hear people talking about throwing a big-block V8 in a boat. Personally I'd say don't do it, already too much to worry about with gasoline inboard as it is, but it sure would sound cool coming from that boat.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:06 pm
by pee wee
peter-curacao wrote:
Well here you have some more pics :P

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Hard to believe that boat is barely fifteen feet long, it looks at least twenty!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:46 pm
by bigtalljv
lots of the inboard boats in California are gas, perhaps even most. I'm not much for the rumor mill but I haven't heard of one blowing up and Californians are not generally thought of as the smartest people. The USCG has ventilation requirements that would perhaps be a good reference although it's not rocket science.

Looking forward to watching this build.

Jason

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Last stringer filleted and tabbed to frames
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bigtalljv wrote:lots of the inboard boats in California are gas, perhaps even most. I'm not much for the rumor mill but I haven't heard of one blowing up and Californians are not generally thought of as the smartest people.
LOL :lol: :lol: that's funny, yeah for example go to Cigarette Racing , except for one model it's all gas, weight difference between those is huge.
pee wee wrote:Hard to believe that boat is barely fifteen feet long, it looks at least twenty!
Maybe because frames are placed much narrower as we are used to, every foot a frame, last two frames at after plane even every 10"
bateau-webmaster wrote:Peter,
Please don't think I'm poking fun. ........My apologies.
Don't worry about it, no biggy, comment all you want 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 pm
by TomW1
peter-curacao wrote:
TomW1 wrote:Edit: btw Tom the email I sent you was about our visit but for some reason it won't get through,arch island emailImage ,we stay in Pigeon forge close to Bryson City If you wanna have some beers, lunch or something I would be more than happy to buy you a few or a whole crate for that matter Image
Peter would like that. Call me at 828 488 6840 when you get in. The only day I can't do it is the 16th. If you want try sending me a PM through this site. Look forward to seeing you in December.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:48 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:
TomW1 wrote:Edit: btw Tom the email I sent you was about our visit but for some reason it won't get through,arch island emailImage ,we stay in Pigeon forge close to Bryson City If you wanna have some beers, lunch or something I would be more than happy to buy you a few or a whole crate for that matter Image
Peter would like that. Call me at 828 488 6840 when you get in. The only day I can't do it is the 16th. If you want try sending me a PM through this site. Look forward to seeing you in December.
Will do! if everything checks as planned we are in Pigeon Forge from the 20th until the 24th.
TomW1 wrote: I had a cousin Ron that raced back in the 70's when boat racing was really going strong in the Mid-West who raced in I believe the F class.
If that's Captain Ron I Need to meet him :lol:
Serious what would be an appropriate number to paint on this little toy?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am
by tcason
This build is really cool.

One thought at frame #8 where the two sets of stringers "meet" I would consider beefing that "joint" up - may act like a "seam" that may receive some additional stress since the stringers are not continuous.

Consider the amateur source of this thought and build on!! :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:39 am
by peter-curacao
tcason wrote:This build is really cool.

One thought at frame #8 where the two sets of stringers "meet" I would consider beefing that "joint" up - may act like a "seam" that may receive some additional stress since the stringers are not continuous.

Consider the amateur source of this thought and build on!! :doh:
Thank you for your input, funny I was thinking about that this morning, as you can see in the pic the stingers are continuous and staggered laminated,they just have a step in it, still I was also thinking about reinforcing them on that point. Have to see what happens if they are all taped up to the bottom panels.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:35 pm
by peter-curacao
First hull panel touched glue :) First rolled biax on the inside when it was tacky I put the panel in glue beats on stringers and frames, worked great but don't think this is gonna work with the bow panels
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:07 am
by BarraMan
Another gas inboard boat went "boom" here today. Five serious burn victims including a five year old.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:21 am
by cape man
Was it running or starting? Or does anyone know? Saw one go up off Miami Beach when I was in high school. Never forget it. 2 guys toasted real quick. They were anchored and started it with fumes inside. A good blower would have saved them.

Something to consider Peter...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:16 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote:Was it running or starting? Or does anyone know? Saw one go up off Miami Beach when I was in high school. Never forget it. 2 guys toasted real quick. They were anchored and started it with fumes inside. A good blower would have saved them.

Something to consider Peter...
It happened when they started the boat, they where also anchored at the beach. There is nothing to consider I see it as standard equipment, you won't try to fly a plane with 1 wing either.
It's as Tom says with the proper safety precaution it's as safe to use as a diesel, so other then rabble rousing I not quite understand the purpose of the accident post. There are probably more gas powered power boats then there are diesels.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:33 pm
by BarraMan
other then rabble rousing I not quite understand the purpose of the accident post
Not at all!

I am just a student of risk management. As a general aviation pilot for the last 43 years it has served me well and kept me and my passengers safe.

That boat looks like its USA built and almost certainly had a bilge blower. As I understand it, the boat was being operated but had stalled. They were trying to restart it when it blew. A fuel leak is believed to be the culprit.

In addition to a bilge blower you should consider installing a gasoline fume detector.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:50 pm
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote:
other then rabble rousing I not quite understand the purpose of the accident post
Not at all!

I am just a student of risk management. As a general aviation pilot for the last 43 years it has served me well and kept me and my passengers safe.
Ah you probably flying a diesel plane :P
BarraMan wrote:That boat looks like its USA built and almost certainly had a bilge blower. As I understand it, the boat was being operated but had stalled. They were trying to restart it when it blew. A fuel leak is believed to be the culprit.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/rTFrbkrWeAo[/youtube]
Still unless you are thinking I'm building an unsafe boat I have no clue why you are posting all this on my build thread :doh: It's more on the Facebook level if you ask me, in which you are very welcome to post, see my signature

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:59 am
by deuce_454
in my opinion it would be a shame to put a diesel in there.... no doubt that a yanmar or vw marine diesel would be safer and and last longer... but in a vintage hydroplane the sound is as important as the looks.... i mean its like a hot rod, it isn't supposed to be safe or practical.....

an OLDS/Buick/Rover aluminium v8 (or a newer 4,8 or 5,3 chevy aluminium block) would be perfect in the sound department... id love to help in any way i can... (perhaps a donation of chevy LS exhaust manifold flanges?) perhaps if you supplied some beer i could come and give a hand .... (trying to escape danish winter :wink: )

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:08 am
by Cracker Larry
In addition to a bilge blower you should consider installing a gasoline fume detector
The best fume detector is your nose. I've run hundreds of gas inboards without an explosion. They are completely safe with common sense. The first thing I do is smell the bilge. If there is gas, you will know it. Second thing is to open engine box and turn on the blower and let run for 5 minutes. Smell bilge again. If no gas fumes, engine is safe to crank. Crank with engine box open. Follow these steps and you will never have a problem.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:26 am
by danieloldhouse
Cracker Larry wrote:
In addition to a bilge blower you should consider installing a gasoline fume detector
The best fume detector is your nose. I've run hundreds of gas inboards without an explosion. They are completely safe with common sense. The first thing I do is smell the bilge. If there is gas, you will know it. Second thing is to open engine box and turn on the blower and let run for 5 minutes. Smell bilge again. If no gas fumes, engine is safe to crank. Crank with engine box open. Follow these steps and you will never have a problem.
I completely agree, technology may lack your senses no, it's impossible to feel not the smell of gasoline fumes, even if you're "closed"

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:46 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
I am looking forward seeing the next pictures of your build on this thread and please do not even waste one thought on gasoline while building this fun vintage looking boat. Your progress is fast and after You put the deck on it looks already like the boat it will be. Thanks for the tip with drawing pins to hold glass fibre tape in position.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:13 pm
by peter-curacao
deuce_454 wrote:in my opinion it would be a shame to put a diesel in there.... ... but in a vintage hydroplane the sound is as important as the looks.... i mean its like a hot rod, it isn't supposed to be safe or practical.....
You hit the nail on the head, you clearly understand where I want to go with this build and how it should be done, thx for your comment 8)
Cracker Larry wrote:
The best fume detector is your nose. I've run hundreds of gas inboards..... Follow these steps and you will never have a problem.
Larry and Daniel Thx for your heads up and confirmation 8)

Karl Thx for your comment and your very welcome.

Think I found a way to glue in the bow panels with tacky biax on the inside, same as after plane panel, I cut out the bow panels, carved them like crazy, screwed them in place then filled the carves and taped the keel and chines, hopefully I can take that hole section of without deforming, then biax the inside and place it back into thickened epoxy beads onto the stringers and frames.
I think the bow looks responsible, still have to fair though, also not sure about the chine line, I think I have to trim a bit at the point.

Tracing the bow panels
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Forming the bow panels in ply
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Filling the carves and gluing the chines
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Cutting tape from full fabric
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Staggered tape
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Hull step
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:30 pm
by Jaysen
There are a tone of used gas big block marine engines up north. 8cyl with trans. I'm expecting shipping would kill the price but you never know.

I wonder how much eco stiff you can skip to make this a real "classic muscle boat"? A mad max style pipes straight to the sky would get you the sound and a unique look to turn some heads. At least it would around here.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:30 pm
by BarraMan
Jaysen wrote:There are a tone of used gas big block marine engines up north. 8cyl with trans. I'm expecting shipping would kill the price but you never know. I wonder how much eco stiff you can skip to make this a real "classic muscle boat"? A mad max style pipes straight to the sky would get you the sound and a unique look to turn some heads. At least it would around here.
To stay true to the "genre" (?), I'd have thought you should go with a Ford Flathead V8 from the 30's or if you want to get really carried away a Caddie V8, V12 or V16 from the same era. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:17 am
by topwater
Peter nice job on the boat, looking good 8) I don't know what size engine was in there when they designed it but
was probably a straight 6 or four cylinder. There are places in the US that sell rebuilt engines of that type for the
Chris craft restorers . Do a google search you should be able to find it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:30 am
by cape man
GO PETER! Loving this one!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:13 pm
by cape man

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:43 pm
by terrulian
Wow, I stepped away from this thread for a few days and the boat's half built!!
Very quick work, makes my head spin, which is not good at my age.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:10 pm
by peter-curacao
topwater wrote:Peter nice job on the boat, looking good 8) I don't know what size engine was in there when they designed it but
was probably a straight 6 or four cylinder. There are places in the US that sell rebuilt engines of that type for the
Chris craft restorers . Do a google search you should be able to find it.
Thx Topwater, yeah I heard Florida is "drowning" in stuff like that I will keep my eyes open during my visit in December.
cape man wrote:Did you read this one?
http://www.newenglandboatandmotor.com/glorious-gal
Thx Craig, yeah I saw that site it is stuffed with the nicest boats, good read on the Flyer also 8)
terrulian wrote:Wow, I stepped away from this thread for a few days and the boat's half built!!
Very quick work, makes my head spin, which is not good at my age.
Thanks Terrulian, what can I say it's a stepped hull :lol: but serious those first steps in building a boat always goes faster opposite to the rest, at least it was the same case with my CS.

I think the idea I had worked, pulled the bow section off, glassed it and glued it back onto the frames/ stringers, it didn't touch glue everywhere, but after the flip I will filled and tape everything , while doing that I will force putty under the open untouched sections, hopefully that way there aren't any hard spots
Bow section inside full fabric and tape
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Putty beads on frames and stringers ready for bow section
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"cap" back on
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:37 pm
by TomW1
Peter she is looking great. I went back to the start of your thread to see which Flyer you are building. What is the length of yours. Did a google search and came up with a lot of info. A really nice boat. Looked like it was designed for a 60HP but if you want something larger I'd put a skeg on the back bottom. If your going to be racing in club races check with them on what you can do.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:44 pm
by Cracker Larry
Nice work Peter! Don't you have a job anymore :?: :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:44 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote:Peter she is looking great. I went back to the start of your thread to see which Flyer you are building. What is the length of yours. Did a google search and came up with a lot of info. A really nice boat.

Tom
Good evening Tom thanks, I'm building the 15 feet, the one from the free plans section provided by Bateau
TomW1 wrote: Looked like it was designed for a 60HP but if you want something larger I'd put a skeg on the back bottom. If your going to be racing in club races check with them on what you can do.

Tom
Yes indeed the plans do ask for skeg/fin a little mid forward between frame 5 and 7, don't see anything in the back though, should I put 2 side skegs in the back?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Cracker Larry wrote:Nice work Peter! Don't you have a job anymore :?: :D
Thanks Larry, I've been very busy last couple of months at work but indeed at the moment it's not so busy anymore so a little more free time to build, wish I could make money with this and make it my work though 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:18 am
by Cracker Larry
wish I could make money with this and make it my work though
Why not? You're good enough. I guess the market is limited in Curacao though.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:34 am
by terrulian
Peter, we're not paying you but you do get our respect and gratitude from the things we learn from you. I know, that and five bucks will buy you a beer, but still, it's not nothing.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:44 pm
by TomW1
peter-curacao wrote:
TomW1 wrote:
TomW1 wrote: Looked like it was designed for a 60HP but if you want something larger I'd put a skeg on the back bottom. If your going to be racing in club races check with them on what you can do.

Tom
Yes indeed the plans do ask for skeg/fin a little mid forward between frame 5 and 7, don't see anything in the back though, should I put 2 side skegs in the back?
Peter I would just follow the plans since there is already a skeg/fin in the plans.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:48 am
by MrPaul
You're really moving along quickly. Looking sweet!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Thanks again guys, Tom I will do that,
Cracker Larry wrote:Why not? You're good enough. I guess the market is limited in Curacao though.
Thanks Larry that means a lot coming from you, Yeah market is very limited there is more supply than demand, also people aren't willing to pay. :(

Reinforced the transom with another 6 mm ply this side also will receive biax, glued the stern on, glued and taped the after plane chines.
Now on my way to the carpentry, ordered 6 mm red African meranti for the side panels,hopefully this is suitable for boat building? :doh: I ordered this because the mahogany wasn't long enough and I am trying to avoid vertical welds, will use it for the deck though
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:46 pm
by TomW1
Peter looking good :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:09 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote:Peter looking good :D
Thanks Tom
peter-curacao wrote: Now on my way to the carpentry, ordered 6 mm red African meranti for the side panels,hopefully this is suitable for boat building? :doh: I ordered this because the mahogany wasn't long enough and I am trying to avoid vertical welds, will use it for the deck though
Correction It's dark red Malaysian Meranti, the Mahogany they have is from Africa, hopefully it will take the bend, fingers crossed!
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:10 pm
by Larry B
Peter, been following this and as usual your doing a fantastic job, very nice work, But my wife would hang me by my jewels if I was to build a boat on our concrete pavers :help:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:31 am
by tcason
Saw your question on another post

I assume like normal paint I can't put clear directly on the epoxy can I?

I was successful with Epifanes one part varnish ovver epoxy.

I used two coats of epoxy and the then 6 coats of Epifanes one part varnish. I brushed all coats and sanded between each coat. I would suggest thinning the epoxy on at least first coat and make sure it is warm to flow well.

I also stained some of my wood with Solar-Lux™ Stain alcohol based before epoxy coats.

LOVE your build!!!

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:59 am
by Cracker Larry
Saw your question on another post

I assume like normal paint I can't put clear directly on the epoxy can I?
Yes, you can. This is EMC clear coat over epoxy. It has all the UV protection needed.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:09 am
by terrulian
I was successful with Epifanes one part varnish ovver epoxy.
Likewise, although I will allow that "successful" may be a slippery term. There are no problems of compatibility, only talent. :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Larry B wrote:Peter, been following this and as usual your doing a fantastic job, very nice work, But my wife would hang me by my jewels if I was to build a boat on our concrete pavers :help:
The shadow of Lucky shot is still on the pavers so I don't think it matter much :lol: maybe new pavement after this one.
tcason wrote:I used two coats of epoxy and the then 6 coats of Epifanes one part varnish. I brushed all coats and sanded between each coat.
Thanks Tcason, I know Epifanes, fantastic stuff used it on this corny :P "Austrian" bench I made for my wife's orchid garden, but I was more looking for an automotive spray on clear coat
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Cracker Larry wrote:Yes, you can. This is EMC clear coat over epoxy. It has all the UV protection needed.
I remember that work looks great EMC is that also automotive clear I can spray, if so do you think it will work with PPG and or Sikkens also?

Got one side planked took me some time since there are 3 panels, 1 panel a day (keeps the doctor away :P ), it wasn't an easy task but they are all on, unfortunately I do have a visible weld seam, which annoys the heck of me, but it is what it is I did the best I could, it's just above the waterline so maybe it doesn't show to much :roll:

First panel on ready for the second and also widest/longest panel
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Making saw dust in same color what hopefully gives me a invisible weld seam.....NOT! :(
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Last panel on,had to do some shaping and filling at the bow point of 2nd panel, I think/hope all will be good after final fair
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All panels on, you can see the seam just under the chine
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Here I quickly put on the waterline to get an idea of location of the seam, I think I will glass up to the water line (above tape) and bottom paint will be a little over water line (underside tape)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:43 pm
by Larry B
Doesn't look corny to me, I think it looks pretty cool 8)
Thanks Tcason, I know Epifanes, fantastic stuff used it on this corny :P "Austrian" bench I made for my wife's orchid garden, but I was more looking for an automotive spray on clear coat
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:45 pm
by Jeff
Peter, incredible progress and nice looking work!! Can't wait to see it finished!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:10 pm
by terrulian
Looks like the seam will be covered, then?
Are you going to have a boot stripe?
Amazing progress and work.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:12 pm
by tcason
a cool website

your build is inspiring!

http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/Blog/

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:39 pm
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
Beautiful work and while I am thinking of the waterline one can see your boat nearly built water line and all. I wish I had your climate and thus your energy. Well while I am lazy it is phantastic to watch your progress. Do you collect the wood flour from the sander plus vak master ?
Greetings from Karl ( loving your Austrian bench you can hardly see here anymore )

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:31 am
by Cracker Larry
I like the bench and table too 8) I'm a big fan of rustic furniture.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:15 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys I appreciate the encouragement. 8)
terrulian wrote:Looks like the seam will be covered, then?
Are you going to have a boot stripe?
Yes partially it will be covered but in the mid section towards bow it will be about 1/2 inch to an inch above the waterline, not sure about the boat stripe yet, not sure about the whole paint scheme yet, I'm thinking metallic black for the parts that will receive paint and black caulk for the Mahogany deck strips along with stainless hardware, comments on this are more than welcome. :D
tcason wrote:a cool website

your build is inspiring!

http://www.vintagehydroplanes.com/Blog/
tcason Thx for the website very cool 8) btw Just took a look at your gallery your boat looks awesome very cool with all the walnut
gonandkarl wrote: I wish I had your climate and thus your energy.
Do you collect the wood flour from the sander plus vak master ?
Greetings from Karl ( loving your Austrian bench you can hardly see here anymore )
Karl the grass probably is always greener on the other side :wink: Climate here at the moment is killing feels like 39 °C because there's hardly any wind because of hurricane season, sucks all the energy out of you well me at least, only good thing about a hurricane is the drink :P
No I just collect the dust from the little sander bag.
It's a shame you can't hardly see those benches any more, always loved seeing them along the mountain hiking trails.
Cracker Larry wrote:I like the bench and table too 8) I'm a big fan of rustic furniture.
Thanks Larry Gloria likes it to, by corny I didn't mean it negative, said it because the little hart in the back rest.

Struggling a little with the starboard panels
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Last side panel on
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Stern shaper every day a click or 2 on the bar clamp hopefully it will set like I want it
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:13 am
by tcason
Having withdraw from seeing progress.................

post pics to make my Friday!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:31 am
by peter-curacao
tcason wrote:Having withdraw from seeing progress.................

post pics to make my Friday!
I wish I could, but... this is what happened click me

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:20 pm
by cape man
Why I love you! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:56 pm
by peter-curacao
Okay tcason just a little boat porn for you :P

Put on a third layer of tape on the keel and two layers on the outer chines, and today between putting up Christmas lights in the garden I was finally be able to do a little sanding, my god felt like an eternal wait :? knocked down the weave and edges of the tape, hopefully tomorrow I can lay some wide fabric
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:50 pm
by peter-curacao
Wide fabric is on, don't know why but it looks a little dry in the pics, but in real as far as I can judge it looks properly wet out.
I didn't like how the keel line flowed so I build a little bridge under a batten, hopefully this can act as a fairing guide to sort that out.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:29 pm
by Fuzz
Really nice looking glass work there Peter :!:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:41 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote:Really nice looking glass work there Peter :!:
Thx Fuzz I appreciate the comment 8)

IMO keel line with "bridge" looks better now
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:37 pm
by Jeff
Agree with Fuzz, beautiful glass work!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Jeff wrote:Agree with Fuzz, beautiful glass work!! Jeff
Thx Jeff
Bow section received first layer of fairing compound, also sharpened the step again with epoxy/filler not sure that was a wise thing to do in relation to the brutal vacuum behind the step Jacques was talking about,well we will see when in action
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:12 pm
by jacquesmm
It is a good idea to have a sharp edge on all trailing edges.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:18 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote:It is a good idea to have a sharp edge on all s.
Thx for the reply Jacques, I was planning to do all chines also, I suppose that's what you mean with the trailing edges?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:08 pm
by peter-curacao
Second layer of fairing compound.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:13 pm
by Jaysen
What's the plastic?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote:What's the plastic?
Protection of the wood side panels

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:27 pm
by jacquesmm
peter-curacao wrote:
jacquesmm wrote:It is a good idea to have a sharp edge on all s.
Thx for the reply Jacques, I was planning to do all chines also, I suppose that's what you mean with the trailing edges?

Yes, every edge where the water separates from the hull should be sharp.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:41 am
by justin_dwyer
Looks cool Peter, can't believe how quick you and other guys build. 8O

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:02 pm
by peter-curacao
justin_dwyer wrote:Looks cool Peter, can't believe how quick you and other guys build. 8O
Thx Justin, as I said before bare hull goes fast but after that... whole differed school :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:36 pm
by cape man
Okay, so the rest takes longer...but I need pics!!!

Report!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:57 am
by glossieblack
I'm with Cape Man.

Reports and pics, or she'll become knick-named 'the bogged clog'. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:21 pm
by peter-curacao
glossieblack wrote:I'm with Cape Man.
Reports and pics, or she'll become knick-named 'the bogged clog'. :D
LOL :lol: she does look a little like a clog
cape man wrote:Okay, so the rest takes longer...but I need pics!!!
Report!
Nothing spectacular to report, still busy with fairing, but as I mentioned the epoxy I'm using takes forever to harden, at the moment I'm not having a problem with that since I sprained my ankle and wanne give it some rest for upcoming vacation, lots of walking will be done during that. 8) 8)

Okay some pictures, started with sharpening the trailing edges, and as always fairing sucks and itches but on the other hand it gives you time to empty your head and think about things in life :D lots more of filling and fairing to do, aft section has almost nothing done yet. Gonna clean the work space, no more updates this year until after our vacation and the Holidays Image Image


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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:27 pm
by Jeff
That is one cool boat!! Can't wait to see it fly!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:44 am
by TomW1
Hi Peter a quick note on your vacation to Pidgeon Forge. There has been a large forest fire near there in the small town of Gatlinburg right next to PF. Check with your hotel and I don't know which way you were driving to Pigeon Forge but the main road through the park from Cherokee, NC to Pidgeon Forge is closed. The fire is actually into the southern edge of Pidgeon Forge, total acres are 17,400+, with 14 dead and over 1400 building burned down or damaged. The good news is all areas are opening up for business Friday the 9th and the fire is about 67% contained.

I am going to be traveling to my parents on Friday.

Here is a web site you can track the fire on http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5112/

Regards, Tom and happy holidays.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:58 am
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote:Hi Peter a quick note on your vacation to Pidgeon Forge. There has been a large forest fire near there in the small town of Gatlinburg right next to PF. Check with your hotel and I don't know which way you were driving to Pigeon Forge but the main road through the park from Cherokee, NC to Pidgeon Forge is closed. The fire is actually into the southern edge of Pidgeon Forge, total acres are 17,400+, with 14 dead and over 1400 building burned down or damaged. The good news is all areas are opening up for business Friday the 9th and the fire is about 67% contained.

I am going to be traveling to my parents on Friday.

Here is a web site you can track the fire on http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5112/

Regards, Tom and happy holidays.
Hi Tom thank you very much for your report, I know about the fires terrible for those involved my heart goes out to them. About a week ago I sent an email to the hotel telling them that we where driving in from Charlotte Douglas International Airport the 20th of December, and asked them if we should cancel or worry, I didn't get a reply so I thought we wouldn't have to worry, should we ?

Edit: Just did a route planner thankfully I don't see any closed roads om our route, hopefully Tom Tom it right about that Tom Tom route planner
Only from Pigeon Forge to Savannah we have a little detour as it looks for now.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:10 am
by Browndog
Peter,

If you are coming to the Savannah, GA area. I am 40 miles south and would be happy to have you visit and even take you for a boat ride/fishing or golfing if you prefer.

Regards,
Browndog AKA Jordy Evans
jordyevans@darientel.net

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:19 pm
by TomW1
peter-curacao wrote:
TomW1 wrote:Hi Peter a quick note on your vacation to Pidgeon Forge. There has been a large forest fire near there in the small town of Gatlinburg right next to PF. Check with your hotel and I don't know which way you were driving to Pigeon Forge but the main road through the park from Cherokee, NC to Pidgeon Forge is closed. The fire is actually into the southern edge of Pidgeon Forge, total acres are 17,400+, with 14 dead and over 1400 building burned down or damaged. The good news is all areas are opening up for business Friday the 9th and the fire is about 67% contained.

I am going to be traveling to my parents on Friday.

Here is a web site you can track the fire on http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5112/

Regards, Tom and happy holidays.
Hi Tom thank you very much for your report, I know about the fires terrible for those involved my heart goes out to them. About a week ago I sent an email to the hotel telling them that we where driving in from Charlotte Douglas International Airport the 20th of December, and asked them if we should cancel or worry, I didn't get a reply so I thought we wouldn't have to worry, should we ?

Edit: Just did a route planner thankfully I don't see any closed roads om our route, hopefully Tom Tom it right about that Tom Tom route planner
Only from Pigeon Forge to Savannah we have a little detour as it looks for now.
Peter every thing should be fine by the 20th. They opened the road today, which we were surprised by. Lots of smoke and black ground to drive by this was on Hwy 441 from Cherokee to Pigeon Forge, but saw no damage in Pigeon Forge, so no don't worry, no smoke there also. If you feel you should need to check the road report through the Park it is 865 436 1200 and extension 631 once the recording starts. Peter I will be away in Asheville taking Deb to get away for our 41st anniversary to the Biltmore on the 20th and 21st so if you still want to get together it could be after that, I'd love to meet you.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:09 am
by BarraMan
Any progress with "The Clog"?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:16 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
Dont let this beautiful boat of yours be called a "klomp" . I hope this did not deter you from building on.
But all of us insist to let us see how at least other boats get finished.
Greetings from Karl who is clear painting the tiller for the umteenth time while waiting for warmer epoxy friendly weather.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:11 pm
by peterrivers
I have not been following this build until now. What a beautiful wee machine you are creating! Tis lovely! An amazing almost hourglass shape to the bottom of the boat, very cool. Will watch the thread and learn.

Sorry to hear you're selling Lucky Shot, I envisioned it as the ultimate boat to enjoy your location (and any other). Your CS build thread was inspiring to me. Everything has their day I guess.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:22 pm
by peter-curacao
Finally did some more work on her, came back sick from NY and after one week back on the island I've got an ear infection so I thought it was wise to avoid the dust for a while, anyway did some more fairing on the after plane and tried to make a fiber glass fin lets see how it come out tomorrow :o

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Fin 8 layers biax squeezed between wood
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:12 pm
by Jeff
Peter, really nice work on fairing!! You make it look too easy!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:46 pm
by Eric1
I'm absolutely certain you need to come show me how to fair my hull! :D :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:07 pm
by jacquesmm
Do you have a profile for that fin?
Check out the NACA series.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:03 pm
by Fuzz
Eric1 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:46 pm I'm absolutely certain you need to come show me how to fair my hull! :D :D
And this summer he can come here and show me how :D
Peter you could be the travelling fairing guru :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:51 am
by MrPaul
Fuzz wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:03 pm
Eric1 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:46 pm I'm absolutely certain you need to come show me how to fair my hull! :D :D
And this summer he can come here and show me how :D
Peter you could be the travelling fairing guru :wink:
Ain't that the truth. I've been fairing mine for months.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:26 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys you do know pictures always looks better as the real deal don't you? :wink:
jacquesmm wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:07 pm Do you have a profile for that fin?
Check out the NACA series.
Hi Jacques just saw your post already shaped the fin and sharped it by memory more or less like the fins of my surfboard 30 years ago, LOL after all it's an antique design, all I had was the drawing to get an idea of the shape and the measurements 13" x 6".
This is how it turned out hope it will function. FINS UP !! 8) 8)

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:38 pm
by TomW1
Peter glad to see you back at it, have missed your work on this boat for the last couple of months. Hope you had a good trip.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:44 am
by pee wee
Thanks for posting your progress, Peter. You always seem to choose an interesting project, or perhaps you make your projects more interesting by the way you do them! Whichever, I look forward to your updates. Looks great from here.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:31 am
by Jaysen
I know I'm slower than molasses sitting in Fuzz's driveway in January, but how exactly did you mold that? I think what I'm reading is

1. make some clamping boards (2 L shaped for fin, one flat for hull/mount) for the outside
2. throw a bunch of wet glass around the L shaped pieces
3. throw a few layers of wet glass on the flat
4. screw them all together
5. have a few beers (or in your case be industrious and show all us "work boat finish" guys how fairing should be done)
6. remove screws/boards
7. grind to final shape.

Is that right?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:06 am
by cape man
So I have no clue whatsoever if that fin is the right shape and dimensions but it sure is cool how you made it yourself.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:34 am
by bateau-webmaster
Peter, Absolutely phenomenal work! That is looking Amazing. The fin looks to be pretty exact to the specs on the plans:

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Would love to see her in person. Guess I'm going to have to come up with a reason to go to Curaçao in the near future.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:07 am
by Jaysen
You need a reason?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:25 am
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys I appreciate the comments 8)
Jaysen wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:31 am I know I'm slower than molasses sitting in Fuzz's driveway in January, but how exactly did you mold that? I think what I'm reading is

1. make some clamping boards (2 L shaped for fin, one flat for hull/mount) for the outside
2. throw a bunch of wet glass around the L shaped pieces
3. throw a few layers of wet glass on the flat
4. screw them all together
5. have a few beers (or in your case be industrious and show all us "work boat finish" guys how fairing should be done)
6. remove screws/boards
7. grind to final shape.

Is that right?
Jaysen that's correct the fin is build up from 8 layers of biax with matt backing and split into 4 layers left 4 layers right at the hull mounting plate, hope this explains it

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:23 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Jaysen wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:07 am You need a reason?
Going to see a boat, probably wouldn't fly for a several day round trip excursion of that nature with the wife. She would probably come with, and be happy to visit there, but not if we're "just going to see a boat" as she would likely say.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:01 pm
by BB Sig
I've also learned that you don't pick a location based on a boat being built that you want to see and not tell her about it until you're on the trip! :help: Let's face it, if you take a vacation and have intentions other than spending time with her, she'll say you are wrong! :doh:

Don't say "I thought it was my vacation too!" Don't ask me how I know... :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Show her this, after she see's it I don't think she mind you wondering of for an hour or soo looking at a boat 8)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/493ctKMJ2qY[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:33 pm
by peter-curacao
Last fairing correction on bow section I think :roll:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:35 pm
by Jaysen
bateau-webmaster wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:23 pm
Jaysen wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:07 am You need a reason?
Going to see a boat, probably wouldn't fly for a several day round trip excursion of that nature with the wife. She would probably come with, and be happy to visit there, but not if we're "just going to see a boat" as she would likely say.
Two words ... WORK TRIP

Ask me how I know. :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:37 pm
by Jaysen
Peter, perfectly clear. Thank you.

When I saw that my mind when straight to things like rudder and dagger board options. Not for Lil Bit, but as a general "that would be nice".

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:38 pm
by Jeff
Peter, nice fairing job!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Again engine question
I wrote the seller of this engine and asked him if he had a gearbox also, he replied I with the following question
"What gear ratio transmission do you require for your project"
I have no clue as I told before I don't know much about this stuff :doh:
Any help would be appreciated, I also don't know what size or pitch prop to use,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152366071428?ul_noapp=true

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:29 pm
by peter-curacao
Fin is glued and faired on to the hull, I'm happy cause it came out stronger/stiffer as I expected, you can see it in the short clip
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:11 am
by Eric1
That boat is coming along really nice! I can't wait to see you flying across the water in her!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:43 pm
by TomW1
Peter as always very nice work. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:01 pm
by deuce_454
i have a GRAY marine buick 215 with fres water cooling and a velvet drive if your into v8 sound... shipping is a biatch though

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:14 pm
by peter-curacao
deuce_454 wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:01 pm i have a GRAY marine buick 215 with fres water cooling and a velvet drive if your into v8 sound... shipping is a biatch though
Can you give me more info if possible with pictures and running video? If you don't want to do it here please sent me a PM.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:46 am
by deuce_454
sure.. will start it up this weekend...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:47 pm
by peter-curacao
deuce_454 wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:46 am sure.. will start it up this weekend...
Great very curious about it
deuce_454 wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:01 pm i have a GRAY marine buick 215 with fres water cooling and a velvet drive if your into v8 sound... shipping is a biatch though
215 is the horsepower I presume? What do you mean by fresh water cooling? does it use a heat exchanger? doesn't it pic up direct cooling water from under the hull? sorry for those noob questions :?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:58 pm
by keysrat
215 is the cubic inches. Horsepower is likely less.
A fresh water cooled engine uses a heat exchanger cooled by seawater. It will require a pickup through the hull.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:03 pm
by peter-curacao
keysrat wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:58 pm 215 is the cubic inches. Horsepower is likely less.
A fresh water cooled engine uses a heat exchanger cooled by seawater. It will require a pickup through the hull.
Thx Keyrat, I now see deuce is in Copenhagen that would indeed be way to expensive to ship i think :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:20 pm
by peter-curacao
1 layer of high build primer to get an idea where I'm at on the fairing, lots and lots of attention points to take care of nowhere close to paint!
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:31 pm
by Eric1
Good to see you back on the build!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks pretty damn good to me Peter :D
There is a lot of detail on the bottom of your boat.
Cool, love it 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:58 pm
by glossieblack
Sure is an interesting underwater profile. :D

What's your latest thinking on engine and transmission?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:24 am
by bateau-webmaster
She's a shark! Coming along very nicely Peter!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:32 pm
by willg
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:09 pm Looks pretty damn good to me Peter :D
There is a lot of detail on the bottom of your boat.
Cool, love it 8)
Looks great, Peter. I always enjoy your build updates.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:14 am
by pee wee
Very nice! That hull shape looks shark-like, sleek and aggressive.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:28 am
by Dougster
Boy does that look cool! Shark for sure. Probably not a fishing boat though. If I were a fish and looked up to see that great white thing, I'd be gone 8O

Thinking like a fish Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:29 am
by cape man
Crazy lines! I assume your circles are areas you aren't happy with?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:03 am
by Jaysen
It's been a while since you've last posted. How's the flyer coming?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:57 am
by BarraMan
Yes, an update on "The Clog" would be interesting! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:35 pm
by TomW1
Yes Peter hope your doing okay an update would be nice. :D

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi guys thx for the interest, project is sleeping for a couple months now, had some other things going on what needed my time and money, maybe I will explain later 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:16 pm
by BB Sig
I hope everything is alright. It is good to see a few posts from you tonight. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:23 pm
by Jaysen
That's ominous. But with you I suspect its going to be interesting.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:25 pm
by peter-curacao
BB Sig wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:16 pm I hope everything is alright. It is good to see a few posts from you tonight. :D
Hi Barry thank you, yeah since December I was fighting some health problems, nothing mayor but some like a perforated sinus were quite painful in the form of nightly head ages and therefore quite exhausting.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:23 am
by Dougster
Sorry to hear the health issues Peter, but glad to see you're still up and at 'em.

Says "good days here but better on down the road" Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:16 am
by cape man
Come join us in October at the builders' meet. I'll pour some good rum down you and you'll be much better!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:52 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys, Craig maybe I will, I will checkout the meet thread later. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:06 pm
by blueflood
Hey Peter !
Looking forward to seeing progress. Be well :D

Marc

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:59 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hi Peter, great to read your posts! Glad you are on the mend!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:01 pm
by Jeff
Peter, good to hear from you and I hope your health is improving!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:07 pm
by peter-curacao
Finally found some time and ambition to do some more on the flyer, wet sanded the high build primer and put on a coat of epoxy primer.
Came out better as I expected, I expected way more pinholes, maybe but hopefully not they will be visible tomorrow.
Primed the side panels up to the waterline also, but didn't took to much attention to it because I will sand them again once flipped because I will cover sides with woven down to the outer chine.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:53 pm
by Jeff
Peter, really looking forward to seeing this racer in the water!!! Nice build!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:54 pm
by Eric1
Freakin Sweet! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:21 pm
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:07 pm Finally found some time and ambition to do some more on the flyer.....
Good that your mojo has kicked back in Peter! She's looking sweet. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:07 pm
by TomW1
Peter so glad to hear that your feeling well enough and have the time to start working on the Flyer again. It is good news and I need some after this year of years.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:36 am
by cape man
Love it!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:31 am
by pee wee
Even if you never put it in the water, you need to finish it as an objet d'art. That hull is just so sexy.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:07 pm
by gonandkarl
Very nice looking hull I really love it and I hope your island Curacao is not near any storms we hear about the Karibik.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 am
by bateau-webmaster
Awesome, Peter! Can't wait to see what you do with the paint! Any word on a suitable engine yet?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:45 pm
by peter-curacao
Anti fauling I used Interlux Pacifica Plus this time, wished I stayed with Sea hawk, this stuff gives a lot of roller marks, fortunately after a some time in the water the marks will disappear, at least that's what I'm hoping for.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:00 pm
by TomW1
Peter can't see them in the pictures and anything in the ocean won't care. :D :lol:

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work Peter!
I see no issues with the bottom paint it looks really nice.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:05 pm
by cape man
You are going to wet sand it when running! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:40 pm
by PNWcx25
Well done Peter.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:39 am
by peter-curacao
Thx guys, I appreciate it 8)
gonandkarl wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:07 pm Very nice looking hull I really love it and I hope your island Curacao is not near any storms we hear about the Karibik.
Hi Karl thx for thinking about it but fortunately we are located under the hurricane belt so hurricanes are an seldom here, those on picture on the other hand I see more often :lol: :lol:
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bateau-webmaster wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 am Awesome, Peter! Can't wait to see what you do with the paint! Any word on a suitable engine yet?
Trying to keep as much wood as possible visible, only accents will be painted like tape on the sheer line and bow and transom, I was thinking metallic black, with candy apple red pin striping, and Bordeaux red interior seats, but this can change by the day :wink:
I still don't have a clue about the engine, you have something for me? Best thing for me would be a complete package incl gear box, has to be a V sound in it around 200 hp is more than enough I think
cape man wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:05 pm You are going to wet sand it when running! 8)
TomW1 wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:00 pm Peter can't see them in the pictures and anything in the ocean won't care. :D :lol:
Tom
Exactly what I was thinking :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:21 pm
by cape man
Trying to keep as much wood as possible visible, only accents will be painted like tape on the sheer line and bow and transom, I was thinking metallic black, with candy apple red pin striping, and Bordeaux red interior seats, but this can change by the day :wink:
YES!!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:35 pm
by cape man
Peter,

You may want to talk to these guys...

http://remanufactured.com/Inboard_Marine_Engines.htm

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:09 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:35 pm Peter,

You may want to talk to these guys...

http://remanufactured.com/Inboard_Marine_Engines.htm
Thank you Craig, will do that 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:24 pm
by peter-curacao
After couple days drying time anti fauling strangely looks much better, ready to flip 8)
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Flipper the flip
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:51 pm
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:39 am Trying to keep as much wood as possible visible, only accents will be painted like tape on the sheer line and bow and transom, I was thinking metallic black, with candy apple red pin striping, and Bordeaux red interior seats, but this can change by the day :wink:
I still don't have a clue about the engine, you have something for me? Best thing for me would be a complete package incl gear box, has to be a V sound in it around 200 hp is more than enough I think
Now she's right way up, you can see how a strip planked deck in bright work, along with bright work sides, and the painted accent lines you've described, is going to look great.

The engine site that capeman has suggested can clearly supply the type of V8 200+ hp engine you want. You'll need to ask for additional options with the engine like closed water cooling system, electrical charging system, and a ZF Hurth or Velvet Drive hydraulic transmission.

But the great thing is you can get a supplier to put it together for you as a integrated turnkey package. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:28 pm
by Jaysen
I like the muscle you brought in to help (referring to the bull dogs:)).

All I can imagine in my head right now is a guy in an old school leather helmet, round goggles, in that strip planked with a couple of chromed pipes going aft each belching flames cause the throttle is wide open. A "catch me if you can" boat going all out. And then a few seconds later the flashing lights of the harbor police as they try to run you down for your ticket...

I don't have enough $$ for all the trips I need to make to see these boats you guys keep building.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:30 pm
by MrPaul
The boat looks great peter. Looks like you have your hands really full with this one and tutilage on the cx25 hull being built. Lots of interesting boats coming together on the forum. This one, the new LM 18, an LB 26, the skoota cat, skinny dip and lots of others. Better reading on the coffee break everyday.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys 8)
glossieblack wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:51 pm But the great thing is you can get a supplier to put it together for you as a integrated turnkey package. :D
Great Idea I just sent them an Email

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:54 pm
by Jeff
Peter, great flip and the boat looks great as well!! Love those two big pups!! One appears to be smiling with really white teeth!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:41 am
by bateau-webmaster
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:28 pm I like the muscle you brought in to help (referring to the bull dogs:)).

All I can imagine in my head right now is a guy in an old school leather helmet, round goggles, in that strip planked with a couple of chromed pipes going aft each belching flames cause the throttle is wide open. A "catch me if you can" boat going all out. And then a few seconds later the flashing lights of the harbor police as they try to run you down for your ticket...

I don't have enough $$ for all the trips I need to make to see these boats you guys keep building.
And if the harbor police do catch up they see this guy in the cockpit:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:46 pm
by TomW1
Peter that thing looks tiny in the same space as you built the CS25 but it sure does look intriguing fun. I love the bright work Idea.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:29 pm
by Fuzz
bateau-webmaster wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:41 am
Jaysen wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:28 pm I like the muscle you brought in to help (referring to the bull dogs:)).

All I can imagine in my head right now is a guy in an old school leather helmet, round goggles, in that strip planked with a couple of chromed pipes going aft each belching flames cause the throttle is wide open. A "catch me if you can" boat going all out. And then a few seconds later the flashing lights of the harbor police as they try to run you down for your ticket...

I don't have enough $$ for all the trips I need to make to see these boats you guys keep building.
And if the harbor police do catch up they see this guy in the cockpit:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:52 pm
by peter-curacao
Cleaned up the tape line on the starboard side, kind of a bitch, thought I could stab with a ridged scraper knife under the tape through the fiberglass...NOT, so flapper wheel had to come out of it's hiding, itchy nights are back I'm afraid :lol: :lol:
bateau-webmaster wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:41 am And if the harbor police do catch up they see this guy in the cockpit:
Hahaha :lol: have to find gear like that for my 4 legged friends 8)
TomW1 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:46 pm Peter that thing looks tiny in the same space as you built the CS25 but it sure does look intriguing fun.
Well Tom in comparison with the CS she may looks tiny but if I can realize my vision compared to the CS she's also gonna be insane in some aspects, hell I need that gear Jamie posted for myself :lol: 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Port side also free from tape and sh#@*t, this weekend have to clean up the inside all stringers frames and so on, make it ready for taping the biax, which I ordered yesterday, US 200,- tape US$ 225,- shipping still have to pay taxes over here, anyone still jealous on living on a friking rock in the Caribbean? 8O :lol: btw it was very nice speaking to you Jeff and Jamie great service, times fly when you having fun, only spoke with Jacques and Joel before.

Cleaned up portside
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Have to wait for tape, looks like I have to cut one million pieces of tape for this 8) 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:22 pm
by Eric1
I'm thinking a nice supercharged aluminum engine. Hmmm 90 knots!!! 8)
Don't leave out the nitrous!!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:45 pm
by TomW1
Peter I'm curious what is the white line at the chine, tape?

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:07 am
by stickystuff
looks like it will be powered by a KIA :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:15 am
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:22 pm I'm thinking a nice supercharged aluminum engine. Hmmm 90 knots!!! 8)
Don't leave out the nitrous!!!
I am in contact with the guys Craig recommend earlier, but as it looks for now that sadly ain't
gonna happen, stuff is pricey jeezzz 8O 8O
TomW1 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:45 pm Peter I'm curious what is the white line at the chine, tape?
Tom
It's epoxy primer over 3 layers of heavy biax with matt backing, will sand the primer completely of when laying the woven over the bare wood
stickystuff wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:07 am looks like it will be powered by a KIA :lol:
Yeah it's a free company car, in Dutch we say "Een gegeven paard moet men niet in de bek kijken" literal translation: "One should not look a given horse in the mouth". :lol: :lol: in English "Beggars cannot be choosers"
But honestly nothing wrong with that KIA, I kind of like it, it drives great,you get a lot of car for the money and a 7 year warranty with a max of 150.000 km

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:25 am
by topwater
Find a newer ford pickup with the turbo aluminum v 6 in it. Raw water cool it and run upside down headers out of the cowl .
Make sure you have good eye and hearing protection :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:31 am
by peter-curacao
topwater wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:25 am Find a newer ford pickup with the turbo aluminum v 6 in it. Raw water cool it and run upside down headers out of the cowl .
Make sure you have good eye and hearing protection :wink:
I wish I knew how to do that 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 am
by topwater
Actually if you use a turbo engine you wouldn't need headers you would just run big pipe out the top :doh:
I would think you should be able to find a marine engine where you are . Have you talked to any marine
mechanics there :?:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:52 am
by Jaysen
Peter, are you looking for a "turn key" marine motor based on a auto block or are you looking for any old big HP motor you can stick in there? I have access to some "salvage" motors from various trucks and such but it will take some cleanup. Mostly GM 5.6L and up v8s

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:13 am
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:52 am Peter, are you looking for a "turn key" marine motor based on a auto block or are you looking for any old big HP motor you can stick in there? I have access to some "salvage" motors from various trucks and such but it will take some cleanup. Mostly GM 5.6L and up v8s
I'm looking for a complete package incl. gearbox, to me it doesn't matter too much if it is an marinized auto block or an original marine engine, as long as it's obnoxiously loud 8) :lol:
topwater wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 am I would think you should be able to find a marine engine where you are . Have you talked to any marine
mechanics there :?:
You'll be surprised how little there is to find over here, and in case I find something it's probably way over priced, most people ovee here call them self's mechanic, doesn't mean they are :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:22 pm
by Jaysen
How about a 6.0 with automatic transmission out of a Chevy 2500? With ECU it looks like the entire vehicle is in the $1k range.

This could be fun.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:36 pm
by cape man
Okay Peter, give us your best ideas of exactly what you want and we'll start searching. I know a lot of people...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:37 pm
by cape man
Do you have a budget?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:03 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:36 pm Okay Peter, give us your best ideas of exactly what you want and we'll start searching. I know a lot of people...
Do you have a budget?
Hi Craig, this is what I wrote to the company you mentioned,
a turnkey package I only have to drop in and connect to drive shaft, fuel tank etcetera
I do like the sound of a V6 or V8 but 200HP is more then enough I think.
They came back with this
A running turnkey mildly built marine engine with open cooling and 220 hp as a 4.3 liter V6 w’ US Coast Guard approved 4bbl carb, electric choke, mechanical fuel pump, K&N stainless steel air filter/flame arrestor, manifolds, fuel pump etc. with mounts, perches, 1-1 gearbox, bellhousing, alternator, Delco Voyager ignition system, run tested in the crate delivered outright to a seaport terminal in Curacao is $10,000 USD. Any color you want.
Honestly I didn't reply to them yet but they were very helpful and offered more economic solutions like a warmed up but lighter 3.0 liter 4 cylinder at a little less than 200 hp for less money , they even offered me a discount and to come over and help me out against housing or tour guide and cocktails in which I think is great, don't know what he means by a warmed up engine but I presume a tuned to higher HP engine? I realy like to know how they sound, anyone a video link of those?
As you can see they are really helpful and for sure I gonna reply to them to see what are the options.

As for the budget, normally I could live with that 10 K package if I kept the boat for myself,but I probably gonna play around with it for a year or so and after that I'm gonna sell it, this time a little profit would be nice, so I was more thinking towards 5K but as understood that's difficult?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Fooling around with the rudder, not completely sure about the shape and size, don't wanna wait for the prop in place because after decking it would be difficult to place the ruder.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:39 pm
by TomW1
Peter I would wait for Jacques to respond to your rudder request or e-mail him directly. Since that is a high speed boat you will not need a large rudder but yet one large enough you can still maneuver at the dock. I am surprised they did not give you one in the plans or recommend a NACA shape.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:05 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:39 pm Peter I would wait for Jacques to respond to your rudder request or e-mail him directly. Since that is a high speed boat you will not need a large rudder but yet one large enough you can still maneuver at the dock. I am surprised they did not give you one in the plans or recommend a NACA shape.

Tom
Yes plans are very minimalistic only an offset table for the frames and that's it, I also thought ruder in drawing is quite big, on the other hand aft planing area is very narrow, this probably makes it very unstable, maybe the bigger ruder will help it stabilize it a bit. :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:51 pm
by TomW1
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:05 pm
TomW1 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:39 pm Peter I would wait for Jacques to respond to your rudder request or e-mail him directly. Since that is a high speed boat you will not need a large rudder but yet one large enough you can still maneuver at the dock. I am surprised they did not give you one in the plans or recommend a NACA shape.

Tom
Yes plans are very minimalistic only an offset table for the frames and that's it, I also thought ruder in drawing is quite big, on the other hand aft planing area is very narrow, this probably makes it very unstable, maybe the bigger ruder will help it stabilize it a bit. :doh:
My only concern with the Flyer, it is a small boat with a lot of HP and will be traveling at high speed. Any rudder movement will be amplified at speed. The skeg should be under water at speed and provide stability. I just want to make sure you get the right size rudder.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:52 pm
by Eric1
Dayum! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:52 pm Dayum! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Huh?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:45 pm
by Eric1
+1

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:50 pm
by danieloldhouse
+2

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:22 pm
by TomW1
+3

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:26 pm
by PNWcx25
Sorry Peter, + 4

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:32 am
by peter-curacao
Jeff and or Jamie thank you for removing all the BS from my thread 8) , and guys thank you for the support and my apology's you had to see/read that BS :cry:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:03 am
by cape man
Much better...back to boats!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:13 am
by jacquesmm
Peter, re: rudder.
The Bruce Crandall rudder looks OK, your mock up looks bigger and does not have the same proportions.
Please read this post by Eric Sponberg:
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/maxi ... 945/page-2

Pay attention to a few points:
- amount of compensation. I would say 12 to 15%
- shape: diminishing compensation area as you go down along the rudder shaft, almost zero at the end
- rudder blade should not extend much or at all below the axis of the prop, this reduces turbulence
- NACA type profile picked in function of the speed
- removable rudder or hole (filled) to allow for shaft removal.

The Crandall rudder has a good shape.
I found this:
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Disregard the dimensions, proportions only.
It shows the sections and note how the compensation area diminishes as you go down along the shaft, to almost zero.
Note the profile that varies from top to bottom: thick chord at top to almost flat at the lower tip.

High speed boat rudders have a string influence on top speed. It is tempting to make them small for minimum drag but think of maneuverability, that compromise is your choice.
I remember that the Bertrams 28 and 31 had very efficient rudders at high speed but were so tricky to maneuver that Bertram ended up proposing a larger rudder as an option.
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We can communicate by email but note that I did not receive your previous private messages.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:32 am
by peter-curacao
Thank you Jacques what do you think of this set in link under? I'm not sure the 16 degree shaft strut is right do you know the angle?
Jeff (jddowning) a great guy here on the forum is willing to help me out with this and pick it up for me but I'm not sure it will work with the flyer, hope you can give some clarification? rudder on the plans says more or less 14 x 6 this one on ebay is 12 1/2'' X 7 1/4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supra-boat-V-dr ... kz&vxp=mtr

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:33 am
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:03 am Much better...back to boats!
That was my intention in the first place :wink: 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:15 pm
by Marshall Moser
Looks like I missed all the fun.

They Hydroplane is really looking sweet. I can't wait to see how you finish it bright.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:50 pm
by tcason

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:02 pm
by jacquesmm
That Ebay deal looks good. Dimensions are really close, same area but a little deeper which should be better.
That Supra boat is a little bigger but the rudder looks good.
Price is OK if the shaft is straight.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:19 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:02 pm That Ebay deal looks good. Dimensions are really close, same area but a little deeper which should be better.
That Supra boat is a little bigger but the rudder looks good.
Price is OK if the shaft is straight.
I think drive shaft is to short how about that driveshaft strut? it's 16 degrees but I have no idea if that's okay, there' nothing in the plans on that or maybe it is but it was on the part that was lost on page 4

Thank you Marshall Moser and tcason

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:25 pm
by jacquesmm
I see the strut on the drawing but no dimensions.
Designers did not always show details for the strut because engine installations were rarely the same. Your strut maybe different from what the plans show.
You should pick an engine first and when that is done, sketch the drive train.
You know where you want the prop and it's size, you now have the location of the engine mounts, draw the gear box with coupling and from there you will have shaft length and strut size and angle.
There is a good chance that the strut will work even if you have to put it on a small wedge.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:28 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:25 pm I see the strut on the drawing but no dimensions.
Designers did not always show details for the strut because engine installations were rarely the same. Your strut maybe different from what the plans show.
You should pick an engine first and when that is done, sketch the drive train.
You know where you want the prop and it's size, you now have the location of the engine mounts, draw the gear box with coupling and from there you will have shaft length and strut size and angle.
There is a good chance that the strut will work even if you have to put it on a small wedge.
Thank you Jacques, I think I go ahead with this package, maybe to fix the angle I also can use a 2 piece shaft with a cardankoppeling or won't that be advisable? sorry can't find the English name but here's a picture.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:18 am
by topwater
Universal joint .

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:36 am
by Jaysen
PC, cardans have a "hitch" in the rotational smoothness. You'll find that, in places where the primary use is to accommodate a constant bend vs an occasional (drive shaft vs axle shaft) they use a "double cardan". That smooths out the hitch quite a bit.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:51 am
by jacquesmm
Watch out with that coupling (cardan or CV joint). You need a thrust bearing between the prop and the coupling. If not, the shaft will push on the joint and it will wear very quickly.
Did you make a decision about engine and gear box? I would do that first.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:56 am
by glossieblack
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:51 am You need a thrust bearing between the prop and the coupling. If not, the shaft will push on the joint and it will wear very quickly.
Did you make a decision about engine and gear box? I would do that first.
If you want a thrust bearing combined with a CV setup designed for marine applications, have a look at Aquadrive.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:55 am
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:51 am Watch out with that coupling (cardan or CV joint). You need a thrust bearing between the prop and the coupling. If not, the shaft will push on the joint and it will wear very quickly.
Did you make a decision about engine and gear box? I would do that first.
Yes I will do that I was just wondering if that would work, looks like it will withe the extra bearings
glossieblack wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:56 am If you want a thrust bearing combined with a CV setup designed for marine applications, have a look at Aquadrive.
Wow Glossy cool stuff but pricey at 5 k, I like to make some profit this time :wink:
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:36 am PC, cardans have a "hitch" in the rotational smoothness. You'll find that, in places where the primary use is to accommodate a constant bend vs an occasional (drive shaft vs axle shaft) they use a "double cardan". That smooths out the hitch quite a bit.
Okay I will look into that Thx
topwater wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:18 am Universal joint .
Yes that I did found also but thought it was wrong since IMO there's nothing universal to it, guess I was wrong, wouldn't be the first time :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:53 pm
by Fuzz
Peter I am sure you thought of this but you need a down angle marine transmission. The more the better. I am not sure what can be had now 8-12 degree :doh: That will be a big help for your needs.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:58 pm
by TomW1
Peter can't wait till you finish this boat and see how it looks and especially flying on the water. Take care of yourself and keep safe.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:23 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:58 pm Peter can't wait till you finish this boat and see how it looks and especially flying on the water.
I do my best Tom but don't expect something like this, to small of a boat, too old and too bad of a back for that shit 8O
[youtube]https://youtu.be/UHUY-ZcLlcM[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:25 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:53 pm Peter I am sure you thought of this but you need a down angle marine transmission. The more the better. I am not sure what can be had now 8-12 degree :doh: That will be a big help for your needs.
Not sure I understand you Fuzz, but will jump from that bridge when there :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:46 pm
by Fuzz
Peter you can get a marine transmission with built in angle. This lets you mount the engine at a much flatter angle. I am assuming, could be way off base, you are planning on using an inboard motor with shaft and prop. If your engine is standing too much on its tail many times you will have oiling problems. But as you say you can cross the bridge when you come to it. Hope this helps and if not then it is Jaysens fault :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:55 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:46 pm Peter you can get a marine transmission with built in angle. This lets you mount the engine at a much flatter angle. I am assuming, could be way off base, you are planning on using an inboard motor with shaft and prop. If your engine is standing too much on its tail many times you will have oiling problems. But as you say you can cross the bridge when you come to it. Hope this helps and if not then it is Jaysens fault :lol: :lol:
Okay now I understand you 8) that was why I was thinking the universal joint, with extra bearings as Jacques suggested, in the plans everything even the engine is on an angle, would be nice to have all of that level.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:53 pm
by cape man
Knew nothing about "marinized" inboard till this build, but having an oil pan that accounts for a tilted mounting is apparently a big part of it. Also looked up the original engines for this design and they were not very powerful. Later some got a bigger powerhouse. I would think anything that makes her skip on top and has a rumbling thunder sound will do.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:31 am
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:53 pm Knew nothing about "marinized" inboard till this build, but having an oil pan that accounts for a tilted mounting is apparently a big part of it. Also looked up the original engines for this design and they were not very powerful. Later some got a bigger powerhouse. I would think anything that makes her skip on top and has a rumbling thunder sound will do.
That was what I was thinking Craig, therefore I wrote this last Friday to the company you mentioned
Also I did read this comment on another Flyer build,
“The engine is on the heavy side. Heavy V6 engine sounds great, but makes the boat impossible to balance right. Flyer skids on a 4feet long, almost flat section just under the engine. Rear section of the hull is very narrow, and dont help much for stabillety. Flyer is a very small boat. keep the engine light, and dont overpower.”
So now I’m hanging to the warmed up but lighter 3.0 liter 4 cylinder, my major concern with this is the sound, I just love the V engine sound on the other hand I have no clue how that 4 cylinder will sound, do you have a YouTube video or something of it so I can get an idea? I hope it’s also obnoxiously loud! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:10 am
by jacquesmm
There are some 4 cylinders out there that would be more than enough for that little boat.
Yes, the down angle transmission will help but be careful, make certain that there is enough room not only for the oil pan to clear the bottom but enough space to mount a L connector to the drain plug with an oil change pump. Draining through the dip stick is not enough.

Did you see the inboard engine installation web page that I wrote 20 yeasr ago?
http://bateau2.com/howto/inboard.php

This is a down angle transmission:
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See the oil drain I am talking about? And the deep oil pan? That is usually the limiting factor when designing an inboard installation.


In this case it is a Hurth but they are all (95%) made to fit SAE bell housings, damper plates and splines.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:11 am
by jacquesmm
Forgot to say: those transmissions contain a thrust bearing, no need for an extra one.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:33 am
by peter-curacao
Had this book laying around for tens of years, thought it was time to dig it up, probably a little outdated but maybe I will find some more pointers in it?
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:50 am
by jacquesmm
That book is excellent but seriously outdated when it comes to brand names etc.
Very good reference.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:53 am
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:10 am

Did you see the inboard engine installation web page that I wrote 20 yeasr ago?
http://bateau2.com/howto/inboard.php
Thank you for that, ha now I see the book is in there too 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:12 pm
by Jaysen
PC,

A slightly cam'ed and advanced 4cyl can be just as obnoxious as an 8 if you are using pipes and not mufflers. The key to the throat sound is large bore pistons, big valves, and big pipes. The headers should be sized to make the right back pressure. skimp on any one of them and you'll get the rice burner sounds. a 3L 4 should get you close to the starting point (1/2 a 6L 8cyl..)

On the flat mount v tilted mount, I think that depends a LOT on the head and block. If you are using a standard auto block, the oil feed galleys are likely to be on the output side of the block. This means you have to flood the head to oil to valves for cylinders 2 and 1. The other option is to plug the stock oil feeds and create new "uphill side" feed system using external pump, filter and lines. This may be how marine engines do it, I know this from race engines going into KOH cars.

That thing sounds like it may be a death trap. I want one.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Thinking of naming her Little Barhopper instead of Little Rumrunner, what do you guys think? Other or better suggestions are more then welcome 8)
Cleaned the stringers and frames from resin, putty and glass ready for tape, after that the side and upper frames.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:29 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8)

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:06 pm
by cape man
How bout Big Awesome

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:57 pm
by seaslug
Such an impressive build. Big awesome is an understatement, and that last picture is one of the best boat build pics I've ever seen. I'm sure glad I don't have to lay down all those fillets, holy crap.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:09 am
by pee wee
That's a bunch of pieces inside that boat! I was thinking of how much patience it will take to get them all taped in place, but my second thought was about how strong that thing was going to be once it was glued together.

8) Looking good and coming along!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:25 am
by Browndog
Boat porn for sure.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:36 pm
by MrPaul
Looks great!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:10 pm
by cape man
Will be interesting to see how much epoxy all those frames require. I was amazed when I put a filet and tape on the stringers and bulkheads on the OD18.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:26 pm
by Jaysen
Bam ring options that tickle my fancy:
DeathWish
Giant ball of flame
Bad Idea
Term Life (think insurance)

Serious contenders though:
Fast Ball
Catch me if you can (too long)
Speed Ball
Bootlegger

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:26 pm Bam ring options that tickle my fancy:
DeathWish
Giant ball of flame
Bad Idea
Term Life (think insurance)

Serious contenders though:
Fast Ball
Catch me if you can (too long)
Speed Ball
Bootlegger
Hahahaha honestly I like the first 4 better

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:44 pm
by Eric1
Suck My Wake! :lol:

I like Exocet! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:46 pm
by Jaysen
PC, Me too. She's your boat so name her as you see fit!

That said, I just got back from hanging out "almost" in the Caribbean (Nassau then Cozumel and Nassau again) and had my fist experience with real rum runners. Damn those will kick you in the nads then laugh in your face. I almost had to get carried back onto the ship. Twice. (It turns out I don't get sea sick... I just get dumb a$$ drunk then go sailing!)

Anyway, rum runner might be a good name since I'm pretty sure a couple repeats of, to borrow a phrase from Fuzz, "puking my toenails" will seem less frightening after a high speed spin in that hull.

Fuzz, you've got some catching up to do.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:12 pm
by Fuzz
Been traveling Jaysen. Going to the meet and not showing the wife how well I can puke. Well not yet anyway.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:35 pm
by Jaysen
Same here. But you have to catch up with the rum consumption. I was actually asked "are you sharing your drinks" several times (so much for unlimited booze). Wife won't touch the stuff. But she will laugh at me the next day.

Sorry for the distraction from the build PC.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:11 am
by cape man
I think you got the name on another post...Spunk Removal. No one will know but us 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:24 am
by Aripeka Angler
Spunk removal? :lol: You can't do that. :P
I'm thinking "Money Shot".

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:10 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
Your boat looks fantastic and it I think you could drop the biggest engine into it. I would stick with the name Little Rumrunner. I am so used to it when I visit your thread.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:16 pm
by peter-curacao
LOL :lol: :lol: You guys are killing me, real good alternatives 8)
Jaysen wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:35 pm Same here. But you have to catch up with the rum consumption. I was actually asked "are you sharing your drinks" several times (so much for unlimited booze). Wife won't touch the stuff. But she will laugh at me the next day.

Sorry for the distraction from the build PC.
Don't worry about it chat away, the more the merrier, the better rums comes imho from the Dominican Republic, makes Bacardi looks like jet fuel, I know doesn't need much anyway but still, you understand what I mean.
After opening a bottle of rum often before pouring Dominicans spill a bit on the floor for the dead, this only outside otherwise they will be one of the dead's, something with a wife cleaning the house and stuff :lol:
We don't have a rum factory here but we have a guy (oldest bar of the island) blending rum into green stuff 8O Drink that stuff and your wife will piss her pants laughing next day :lol: :lol:
Green rum Netto bar

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:21 pm
by Jaysen
Must. Get. To. Curacao.

I now you are tired of living on a rock in the ocean, but I'm thinking I need to give it a try. My liver is crying, but my head says "DOOOO IIIIIIT!!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:33 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:21 pm Must. Get. To. Curacao.

I now you are tired of living on a rock in the ocean, but I'm thinking I need to give it a try. My liver is crying, but my head says "DOOOO IIIIIIT!!!
LOL you be more then welcome I will be more then happy to drive you around the island,takes 15 minutes or so :lol: after that we'll stop for the green stuff, or the blue stuff the original Blue Curacao 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:48 pm
by Jaysen
You make it sound like my ideal world...

Lots of distilled options.
Everything close enough to avoid driving.
Lots of salt water.

The proximity to Venezuela might be a negative for a US passport holder. We seem to be on the bad list for just about everyone (not suggesting it isn't deserved). But I'd risk it.

Need to settle some spring travel. Maybe I can manage Curaçao in the fall of 18. If you're still there :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:48 pm The proximity to Venezuela might be a negative for a US passport holder. We seem to be on the bad list for just about everyone (not suggesting it isn't deserved). But I'd risk it.
Don't worry about that,long time ago you guys already set boots on the ground here 12th Air Force FOL

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:05 pm
by Jeff
Peter, I ask Jamie to send you a mail this morning regarding your tape. Did you receive his mail? Let me know when the order arrives and I will check the UPS system again in the morning!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:11 pm
by peter-curacao
Jeff wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:05 pm Peter, I ask Jamie to send you a mail this morning regarding your tape. Did you receive his mail? Let me know when the order arrives and I will check the UPS system again in the morning!! Jeff
Yes Jeff thx for checking in I replied to Jamie with this
Thx for the heads up, it sucks but it is what it is, this causes more forum time so expect more idiot posts from me 😊

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:19 pm
by Jeff
Peter, thank you!! We will check again in the morning!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:19 am
by peter-curacao
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:14 pm
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:48 pm The proximity to Venezuela might be a negative for a US passport holder. We seem to be on the bad list for just about everyone (not suggesting it isn't deserved). But I'd risk it.
Don't worry about that,long time ago you guys already set boots on the ground here 12th Air Force FOL
And if you are still worried You can also visit by (love)boat :lol: :lol: (skip to 2:50min)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/pHd6H2KFEnU[/youtube]
The love Boat on Curacao. according to IMDB they filmed 3 times over here, unfortunately this didn't gave us much significant brand awareness in the USA, or could it be because of the fact Gopher landed in Jail right at the first visit? :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:09 am
by Jaysen
Just looked up flights... this is not an unreasonable trip! Let me see if I have "executive sponsorship". I'm a bit concerned that my list of "go visit boats" is going to get interrupted with a "GO VISIT YOUR CHILDREN" statement. To which I would replay "I spent 18+ years with them... never seen these boats". I expect that response will have me converted to a soprano in short order.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:53 pm
by peter-curacao
I know and always say there are no stupid questions, well it wouldn't be me if I didn't found one :P so here it goes:
Since I'm still pondering on the engine especially after reading this as a comment from another flyer builder.
“The engine is on the heavy side. Heavy V6 engine sounds great, but makes the boat impossible to balance right. Flyer skids on a 4feet long, almost flat section just under the engine. Rear section of the hull is very narrow, and dont help much for stabillety. Flyer is a very small boat. keep the engine light, and dont overpower.”
I was thinking, (yes once in a while I do that :P ) how bout an Harley V twin? it has the sound what I'm looking for, it has reasonable horsepower +/- 140 HP still much more as the Blue jacket racer from the plans, it's weight is way lighter as an V6 or V8, so that's all good I think :doh: But can it been marinized? as far as I know they are all air cooled, can they be combined with a marine transmission? are they even suitable at all for this purpose? Ahh questions, questions, questions......

One other thing Dude where's my tape? :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:49 pm
by Jaysen
I think the Harley might work if you can get enough air into the engine bay. I think you'd get the sound you are looking for from any large bore 4 banger with straight pipes. Heck, my Triumph 1500 sounds like a Harley with only the manifold connected.

You'll have the same oil pan issues (rotation of block 90deg from intended installation), you'll need a bell housing adapter, and cooling will be tricky.

Big plus on the Harley would be the shorter length once you turn the block. Following on that logic what about a VW, Subaru or BMW boxer engine. Very small form factors and come in air cooled varieties (look for BMW motorcycle and Subaru power plants from snowmobile). All will need the same adaptation for marine trans, oil pickup and adequate airflow.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:06 pm
by Larry B
peter-curacao wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:53 pm how bout an Harley V twin? it has the sound what I'm looking for, it has reasonable horsepower +/- 140 HP still much more as the Blue jacket racer from the plans, it's weight is way lighter as an V6 or V8, so that's all good I think :doh: But can it been marinized? as far as I know they are all air cooled, can they be combined with a marine transmission? are they even suitable at all for this purpose? Ahh questions, questions, questions......

One other thing Dude where's my tape? :roll:
Peter, I think you might be onto something there. A few videos on youtube that show Harley motors in boats.
Or you could always go this route [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-FogNs9DHI[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:16 pm
by Eric1
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:46 pm
by peter-curacao
Larry B wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:06 pm

Peter, I think you might be onto something there. A few videos on youtube that show Harley motors in boats.
Thx I did a search this one is as it seems water cooled in some way.
Jaysen I don't think air cooled is the way to go, especially over here, air over here is twice as hot as my piss after a weekend bar crawl 8O :lol: 8)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/M8APySd7xxU[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:38 pm
by Jaysen
Most of those air cooled engines work in the deserts so I think you'd be OK if you could get air flow. I'd think you'd want a closed liquid based system if you aren't going to go air cooled. It sure how those street motors would feel about salt.

You'll still need to have a decent amount of airflow over your radiators. A bit less than with an air cooled platform. Make sure you use a good sized fan as well. I suspect a simple on/off is enough. I doubt you'll even notice the fan noise over your growling dragon at idle. If you do use a thermal speed controller make sure you get one that lets you set the target temp range.

Really hoping to see how you source and build the power plant.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:10 am
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:53 pm I was thinking, (yes once in a while I do that :P ) how bout an Harley V twin? it has the sound what I'm looking for, it has reasonable horsepower +/- 140 HP still much more as the Blue jacket racer from the plans, it's weight is way lighter as an V6 or V8, so that's all good I think :doh: But can it been marinized? as far as I know they are all air cooled, can they be combined with a marine transmission? are they even suitable at all for this purpose? Ahh questions, questions, questions......
It's doable. The simplest setup would be like the following video, except instead of being hung of the back of the boat and pivoting, you'd install a fixed engine and drive shaft inside the boat, and have wheel and rudder steering rather than tiller steering. Sounds great doesn't it? A light engine has to be the way to go.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4rd2d3PQSiA[/youtube]

If you're interested, I can point you to a small and lightweight trannie that would give you F-N-R.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:44 am
by topwater
Harley V rod motors are liquid cooled and they were designed with help from Porsche .

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 am
by glossieblack
topwater wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:44 am Harley V rod motors are liquid cooled and they were designed with help from Porsche .
Exactly. Peter, put one of these Porsche influenced Harley motors in the Flyer, and you'll grin so wide you'll have to get your face repaired. :D

Porsches have been my daily drivers for 30 years, even though I could never really rationally afford one. First an air cooled 356, then three air cooled 911s, and now a water cooled Boxster. The purists said the water coolers weren't real Porsches. What bullshit. The Boxster performs and handles better than any of its predecessors. By continuing to ride technological innovation, Porsche moved on, and Harley has too, guided by Porsche and its experience.

I hope you really explore the water cooled Harley option. Same iconic sound, new lightweight water cooled technology.

Perfect for a Flyer. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:41 am
by Jaysen
topwater wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:44 am Harley V rod motors are liquid cooled and they were designed with help from Porsche .
It's been forever since I looked at using motorcycle motors for re-powering things. My apologies for the error. I think the need for forced airflow over the radiator would be much lower with a motorcycle motor or at least the fan volume would be more reasonable. The only real issue would then be the availability of a Harley motors.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:54 am
by peter-curacao
Hi Guys thx again for all the input on the engine
glossieblack wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:10 am If you're interested, I can point you to a small and lightweight trannie that would give you F-N-R.
Yes I would very much appreciate that 8)
topwater wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:44 am Harley V rod motors are liquid cooled and they were designed with help from Porsche .
Found this, I think that's the one?
Harley Davidson VRSCA V Rod VRod 100th Anniversary Engine Motor
HARLEY VRSCB VRSC V-ROD ENGINE, MOTOR
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:41 am It's been forever since I looked at using motorcycle motors for re-powering things. My apologies for the error. I think the need for forced airflow over the radiator would be much lower with a motorcycle motor or at least the fan volume would be more reasonable. The only real issue would then be the availability of a Harley motors.
Error? I was thinking this night of making Ferrari style fins at the bow section of the side panels, in cause of the air cooled Harley motor, but then I have to make other "holes" somewhere else also to let it flow through.

For the V rod I probably need a heat exchanger don't I?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:54 am
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:54 am For the V rod I probably need a heat exchanger don't I?
I think you have 2 options here...
1. Keep it "stock" and use an automotive style radiator/heat exchange with fan and limited ducting to provide sufficient cooling.
2. Go more marine style and use a "water flow" based heat exchange.

I think #2 would be counter to the "balls on fire" objective. #1, while requiring air flow, give you lots of options. For example, extend the feed and return and move the radiator/exchange out of the engine compartment and into the cockpit. That will let you keep the engine compartment ventilation openings smaller while giving you maximum airflow over radiator. There would be a safety concern of hot fluids but there are way to protect against issues there (run hoses under/behind, cage radiator, etc).

My "gut' tells me that trying to stick to a stockish power plant system would be easiest in this case. Easier to troubleshoot issues and maintain since you can just use standard parts. If you can find a marinized version though... that would be sweet.

I've never done anything like this for a boat, only custom vehicles. So I'm not sure how far my experience will translate. Still think this is going to be an amazing finished boat.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:39 am
by jacquesmm
I am in favor of #2: heat exchnager and raw water pump.

Those heat exchanger are available, sometimes as kits.
See this one:
http://www.mrcool.us/mfh-5344-mercruise ... ystem.html
You could mount one on a bulkhead. The raw water pump can be mechanical (need to fabricate a bracket and add a belt) or electrical.

Another solution is to go seawater cooling by connecting the engine cooling system directly to seawater. It will corrode but last a couple years.
It's brutal but easy.

You can cool the exhaust if you want but you will loose the sound effect.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:51 am
by jacquesmm
Another link:

http://www.sen-dure.com/products-page/i ... xchangers/

Sendure is one of the best.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:56 am
by topwater
This looks like it might work. I would try to get the carb or throttle body and computer that came on the harley as one
package , would make it easier to get it running.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:57 pm
by Jeff
Peter, did you receive your biax tape? Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:57 pm
by Jeff
Peter, did you receive your biax tape? Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:01 pm
by peter-curacao
Not yet Jeff but UPS called me today for my tax number and the invoice so I think/hope it's close

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:02 pm
by peter-curacao
topwater wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:56 am This looks like it might work. I would try to get the carb or throttle body and computer that came on the harley as one
package , would make it easier to get it running.
I was hoping that all came with it when buying a turn key engine?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:03 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:54 am

I think #2 would be counter to the "balls on fire" objective.
:lol: :lol: Not sure what you mean by this but I think like Jacques you like the heat exchanger best?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:10 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:51 am Another link:

http://www.sen-dure.com/products-page/i ... xchangers/

Sendure is one of the best.
Thank you Jacques, there are a lot there

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:20 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:03 pm
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:54 am

I think #2 would be counter to the "balls on fire" objective.
:lol: :lol: Not sure what you mean by this but I think like Jacques you like the heat exchanger best?
I'll explain BoT momentarily :wink:

Just to restate #2...
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:54 am 2. Go more marine style and use a "water flow" based heat exchange.
If we are bringing external water into the hull for heat exchange we add openings that might create drag (JM might have science to prove that wrong...). We also need to drive a water pump to move external water through the system. The mechanical or electrical load for this would be higher than driving a fan for an air based heat exchange.

If we use something like what Knotty was using on his tw28, the exchanger is in the water, then we add drag at that point. Not sure how that would work on a fast boat like "Death Trap" (see how I'm pushing my agenda here?) as I'd think a smooth hull shape is critical to speed and ... not having the thing get all death trappy on you. :)

My experience would have me thinking that using the stock, air based heat exchange would be simplest and least likely to add drag to the hull. But I'm not a marine engineer. JM should have the final say on how the different cooling options should be evaluated.

My personal "favorite" would be direct sea water cooling of the block as that will let you run "balls on fire" (aka WOT) with the biggest problem being that if you aren't BoF you'll not have the motor warm enough for efficiency. But then again, this tramp isn't about efficiency, is she? She's all about the thrill. Who needs efficiency when your shorts are melting?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:07 am
by bigyellowtractor
Here in the UK you could have your pick of high performance Jap 4-cylinder bike engines. Anything from 250 to 1400cc. Or maybe even the splendiferous(sic) Triumph Triples (675 or 1050 cc) which give somewhere near the torque of a big twin but with the top-end of a four.

Cheap to buy here as loads of modern bikes get written off by insurance companies after only quite light crashes.

All would sound superb on open pipes, give loads of horsepower for their weight and were designed in this century.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:08 am
by keysrat
The original photos showed the boat equipped with the Ford 8BA series flathead V-8.
Properly built, you could get 130 or more HP out of one.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:11 am
by Jaysen
I think the question is why use an 8 when you can get more HP at less weight from a 4? So far only "chest pounding sound" is coming forward as an answer. The. Harley was mentioned.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:37 am
by Browndog
This boat is fast becoming a chopper on the water. Or perhaps a Low-rider. Can’t wait to see it running. I’m sure it will be a beauty.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:32 am
by jacquesmm
About cooling.
Yes, direct cooling is one of the options but keep corrosion in mind.
IF the boat lives out of the water (on trailer) and if the engine is flushed each time, it will not corrode too fast, probably 3 or 4 years. That is a wild guess, those motorcycle engines probably have thin walls.
You still need a marine pump. The standard circulation pumps are not powerful enough.
The fresh water cooling, with heat exchanger is far superior. Besides the block corrosion that is completely eliminated, it has more thermal inertia.
What I mean by that is that a plastic bag on the water intake will not kill the engine right away, the coolant circuit is still there. With raw water cooling, the block will overheat in 30 seconds.
There is no difference in drag: one intake in each case. If the boat spends a lot of time in the air, intake out of the water, we need some kind of intermediary seawater tank. I designed such a system for Cigarette boats.

Keel cooling does not work for planing hulls, too much drag or not enough cooling.

Peter has the last words, this is his project, I have nothing to do with the design. I just try to help with suggestions.
I am quite good with inboard engine installations: engine room layout, cooling, exhaust systems and drive trains. I made a living from that for years but I am not an engine specialist. I don't know as much as most of you about gas engines. Diesels are another story, I know those quite well.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:47 am
by Jaysen
JM,

I'm looking to understand a bit about the forces at work here... what is the downside to an "automotive" style air cooled radiator in a situation like peter's? He'd need a blower for removing fumes from the engine area in both cases. The differences I see are
1. being able to use the blower to provide all the engine cooling with no changes to the hull surface
2. no risk of blockage on the water intake for a heat exchanger
3. engine is already designed to be cooled with that method, but maybe at higher airflow speeds (hence the blower)

I'm sure I'm missing something and would like to understand what that is...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:36 am
by peter-curacao
Gentlemen thx again for the input I appreciate it keep them coming, Jacques I was hanging towards the heat exchanger also, as this is done all the time i think it's the safest and most reliable way to go, direct raw water cooling is not an option imo. However Jaysen has some pretty good arguments also in it's last post, if that is even possible it would make my life a lot easier 8) , liquid cooled Harley Vrod together with a radiator and some fan ducting with a fan

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:31 am
by cape man
Peter,

Did you see this?

http://safeboat.co.uk/new/

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:40 pm
by jacquesmm
Very nice link but I can't read the text well.
It looks water cooled but he does not show much.

I forgot to mention something about raw water cooling: it will crystallize the salt and quickly clog the blog. Don't.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:49 pm
by jacquesmm
More links:
https://thekneeslider.com/harley-davids ... peed-boat/

I should be working on designs instead of searching the web.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:03 pm
by cape man
Damn you Peter! Like Jaques you've got me searching for you. Did find this... not what you need but pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBNq0NlEp78

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:04 pm
by Jaysen
Interesting on the reverse mount engine feeding into a transmission that provides the angle and direction switching. That also looks to be direct cooled with no exchanger.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:30 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:03 pm Damn you Peter! Like Jaques you've got me searching for you. Did find this... not what you need but pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBNq0NlEp78
I do find stuff myself also you know? :P
https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... 10#p406931

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:57 pm
by jacquesmm
Oops, sorry Peter, you found that one first.
I like the exhaust sound.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:05 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:57 pm Oops, sorry Peter, you found that one first.
I like the exhaust sound.
No worries Jacques :) Yeah I like that sound to and it looks like they used a head exchanger for cooling

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:12 pm
by peter-curacao
Here's another one what looks like it's aircooled
Edit: No I now read it has water cooled heads and barrels.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/M3awzdXBMi4[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/h1h7DHBJfjs[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:00 pm
by peter-curacao
Tape is in and makes me hate this Island big time again!! :x :x US$ 75,- for tape, US$ 225,- for shipping, US$ 115,- for import duties/taxes :x made me pay import duties/taxes over shipping costs also, those F*%@ng asshole scamming government :x :x sorry for the cursing but needed the release

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:16 pm
by Jaysen
Wait... you had to pay import on the shipping like it was part of the product?

That seems like overreach.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:28 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:16 pm Wait... you had to pay import on the shipping like it was part of the product?

That seems like overreach.
Believe it or not.......Yes i did :roll: this kind of scammer practices they wield for years now, fucking thieves :x

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:41 pm
by cape man
300% shipping and almost 200% duty...i would be cursing too!! :help:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:47 pm
by Jaysen
I can see why you'd be ready to call it quits. That's terrible.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:07 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:41 pm 300% shipping and almost 200% duty...i would be cursing too!! :help:
Just to be clear, I myself asked for the US$ 200 UPS shipping just to have it fast over here, looking back at it I better could have used regular shipping because UPS had a big delay in Miami as I understood because of a hurricane (don't know which one), on top of that I totally forgot about the duty over shipping, yeah I tent to do that pay and forget about it, until I get confronted again with a ridiculous customs bill like that :( :(

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:45 pm
by Eric1
#$^$#^$##$$ Them! Peter they should be ashamed! :x

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:00 pm
by TomW1
Peter go out to the beach with a Blue Curacao with added rum and SCREAMMMMM. 8O 8O 8O 8O

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:32 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:00 pm Peter go out to the beach with a Blue Curacao with added rum and SCREAMMMMM. 8O 8O 8O 8O

Tom
Ha Tom believe me I did many times it just doesn't help, but it does release stress though! 8)
Maybe if I can finally open that amplifier in the form of 2 ss pipes connected to a vtwin harley or something like that at full throttle... yeah I think that help especially if I can outrun island authority's, f@#*ng robbing bastards! whom if they have the chance bring up the slave trade just to make their point, only point it makes is that they look like dumb assholes, it's getting so old that BS!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:07 am
by cape man
Build. Always takes me away to another place...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:20 am
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:07 am Build. Always takes me away to another place...
That's exactly what I'm gonna do the moment I have even a spare minute of time 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:34 am
by Jeff
Peter, those duties are redicilious!! And to charge on shipping, I have never even heard of this practiose!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:35 am
by Jeff
Peter, those duties are ridiculous!! And to charge on shipping, I have never even heard of this practise!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:27 am
by peter-curacao
Jeff wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:35 am Peter, those duties are ridiculous!! And to charge on shipping, I have never even heard of this practise!! Jeff
I'm not making it up Jeff, yes it is ridiculous indeed!
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:12 am
by jacquesmm
The "faktuur bedrag" should be the tape only but I understand that it is difficult to fight with those guys.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:34 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:12 am The "faktuur bedrag" should be the tape only but I understand that it is difficult to fight with those guys.
I know that Jacques and the worst part is they know that too but they just don't care

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:25 pm
by Jeff
Peter, That is almost a crime itself!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:18 pm
by peter-curacao
Okay swallow and go on :wink:
Found some spare hours so started filleting & taping the aft center section, extra reinforcement at the step, again in the pics it looks dry but it is saturated as it should be.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:01 pm
by cape man
Go baby, Go!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 pm
by bateau-webmaster
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:18 pm Found some spare hours so started filleting & taping the aft center section, extra reinforcement at the step, again in the pics
Sure would like to know where you found them! I've been looking for spare hours for ages!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:00 pm
by Eric1
bateau-webmaster wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:18 pm Found some spare hours so started filleting & taping the aft center section, extra reinforcement at the step, again in the pics
Sure would like to know where you found them! I've been looking for spare hours for ages!
Here Here Jamie! As of late I can't find on quick minute.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:04 pm
by PNWcx25
Wow, you work fast - your few hours are my days...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:34 pm
by Jaysen
bateau-webmaster wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:18 pm Found some spare hours so started filleting & taping the aft center section, extra reinforcement at the step, again in the pics
Sure would like to know where you found them! I've been looking for spare hours for ages!
Since customs took all his money, he's not doing anything. hence the found time. :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:08 pm
by peter-curacao
bateau-webmaster wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 pm

Sure would like to know where you found them! I've been looking for spare hours for ages!
They were in the box with biax tape you sent me :P
Speaking about boxes, I fillet and taped 6 off center boxes on aft port site, those between the center and the chine, man those where hideous to do, such small angles and spaces to lay and spread fillets , wish I listened to Jacques and taped only one every two boxes,but hey what's done is done, have to finish it like this now, ahh well she's gonna be strong 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:40 am
by reefie
Taping looks good Pete - sure is a lot of boxes to do!
Bit of a bummer about the customs tax and import duty.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys. :D
Still taping away, hope to have the aft cockpit section completely done first part of coming week, when done I will post pics.
Today I took a piece of 2"x8" and used it as a bench, it was the first time I sat in her and off course when I did I was making V8 sounds *, when I was a teenager I ended up buying a Mazda RX7 because I didn't had enough money to buy my first choice a 72 Stingray, I did however had a test drive in that Vette, sitting in her today with that "huge" cone nose in front of me felt like that test drive, happy days again 8)
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* with my mouth guys, Jesus Christ ! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:33 am
by TomW1
Happy days again to you Peter. My first car was Triumph TR6 with its nice rool, and my second was a Porsche. That was when I was growing up in the 70's, :D : 8)

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Whole aft cockpit step section taped in,needs to harden couple of days to do some clean up on the fibers sticking out here and there
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:15 pm
by Eric1
Peter, That is looking great. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:17 pm
by Jaysen
Just because I'm lazy and hoping I'm not the only one thinking about this...

Is there any real value to sanding the tape that isn't going to be exposed or faired?

I could see "easier to clean" in the engine area, but other than that I don't see why it would be worth it if the area is closed off.

Just trying to justify my level of lazy...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:04 pm
by Dougster
Peter, it makes my back ache just to look at all those taped boxes 8O I'd need two ibuprofen for each box. That plus the necessary adult beverage. Looks very cool, thanks for keeping up the thread.

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:42 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:17 pm Just because I'm lazy and hoping I'm not the only one thinking about this...

Is there any real value to sanding the tape that isn't going to be exposed or faired?

I could see "easier to clean" in the engine area, but other than that I don't see why it would be worth it if the area is closed off.

Just trying to justify my level of lazy...
Funny you mention this, been thinking of this couple of days now, because I don't feel at all fairing all those boxes 8O So I came up with several ideas in which I don't know if it will work.

1: foam off the cockpit and put a sole in only that area and line the engine bay with shiny diamond plate to hide the boxes
2: foam everything and line the faired foam with biax cloth, fair and paint, this is probably very likely to delaminate but I'm not sure, CS's Ttop is holding up great that way :doh:
3: The least favorite, leave it as it is and fair all the visible boxes :?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:34 pm
by Jaysen
I'd go for #2. Seems easiest.

I think I would add some wood under any areas that will be loaded. I'm sure you've got that all figured out.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:16 pm
by Browndog
Really looking good! Not sanding and fairing and covering with flotation foam seams like a great idea for anything that will not be visible or be below deck. Not sure if I recall from the design what goes on top of all those boxes.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:11 am
by TomW1
Peter don't over think this. Put foam in enough compartments for upright flotation which won't be many and just coat the others with epoxy, they will provide added flotation . With a 13' boat you probably only need a 2 gallon kit. I love how the Flyer is coming together. For the non-foam compartments just coat them with epoxy for water proofing. Damn I'm glad your back on the Forum.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:44 am
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:34 pmI think I would add some wood under any areas that will be loaded. I'm sure you've got that all figured out.
Not sure I understand, you mean like a sole as in option 1?
Browndog wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:16 pm Not sure if I recall from the design what goes on top of all those boxes.
The original design doesn't have all those "boxes" and doesn't say anything about foam,not even sure foam existed at time of the design :lol: Only thing I used from the plans is the frames offset table, the rest of the build I'm filling in myself trying to use techniques we use here and keeping it as close to stitch ans glue as possible hoping this may help others, original plans calls for a lot of brass screws and doesn't have full length stringers, only as it looks 2 shorter so called keelson's running over the frames and floating above the bottom.
TomW1 wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:11 am Peter don't over think this. Put foam in enough compartments for upright flotation which won't be many and just coat the others with epoxy, they will provide added flotation . With a 13' boat you probably only need a 2 gallon kit. For the non-foam compartments just coat them with epoxy for water proofing.
Tom I'm not overthinking it I think you are missing the point, I'm thinking foam because of trying to find a short cut on fairing the "boxes", the foam is death weight and only gives upright flotation if I flip her or if I drive her to pieces, and believe at a moment like that I wouldn't care less if she floats or not , I would happier being a float myself :lol: Yes everything will get coated several times butt that's standard well it is at least in my builds.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:34 am
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:44 am
Jaysen wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:34 pm I think I would add some wood under any areas that will be loaded. I'm sure you've got that all figured out.
Not sure I understand, you mean like a sole as in option 1?
If you fill with foam (which I'd probably NOT do thanks to my apparently extreme laziness) Id' think you'd need some type of backer for areas like seat mount, "oh sh!t!!!" grab handles, "FORK ME!!!" harness, and other items that need to be solidly tied to the frames. The rest... just needs to be strong enough to hold a bit of weight. I think the boxes are the real structural support.

Basically, I was thinking only the "where will I put a foot for entrance/exit or a hand or my clean shorts" boxes need to be filled/covered, the rest just leave them as is. No fill. No fairing. No sanding.

Again... LAZY

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 am
by reefie
Pete, if it was me, I would be inclined to somehow create a level inner hull surface, particularly on the bottom. If they are left as individual open box cavities, they could be a bastard to clean and drain any water that gets in there. Maybe you could put in some sort of thin plywood floor and then fill in the box cavities with pourable flotation foam... or... use something like Divinycell to fill up the box cavities and then glass over creating a nice level inner hull surface.
BTW, I am really enjoying watching this modern retro project - and I like the thought of a Harley power plant 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:53 am
by Jaysen
reefie wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 am Maybe you could put in some sort of thin plywood floor and then fill in the box cavities with pourable flotation foam... or... use something like Divinycell to fill up the box cavities and then glass over creating a nice level inner hull surface.
Honest question... why fill the cavities? If this thing "goes sideways" there won't be much left to float :) would think just gluing the floor down would be enough. The problem would be ANY water intrusion. But foam won't stop that either.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:19 am
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:34 am If you fill with foam (which I'd probably NOT do thanks to my apparently extreme laziness) Id' think you'd need some type of backer for areas like seat mount, "oh sh!t!!!" grab handles, "FORK ME!!!" harness, and other items that need to be solidly tied to the frames. The rest... just needs to be strong enough to hold a bit of weight. I think the boxes are the real structural support.

Basically, I was thinking only the "where will I put a foot for entrance/exit or a hand or my clean shorts" boxes need to be filled/covered, the rest just leave them as is. No fill. No fairing. No sanding.

Again... LAZY
Okay now I understand, I was thinking just using the frames and stringers as backers for anything bolted or glued in there.
I'm hanging to option 1, foam cockpit and put a sole in, this gives some extra structural strength not that it need it I think, it also will gives some sound insulation (water friction) not that it matters much with that blaring engine in front but still :lol: , but most importantly easy peasy fairing and painting :wink: Oh yeah it also gives me a space for trace pipes, benefiting gas, steering, and stuff.

Engine bay completely lined with something like chrome diamond plate, floor,sides,back and front this will hide all the unfinished boxes, basically when engine hatches open you are looking in a chrome box with an engine in it, maybe this will give me some sound resonance but I think this can be fixed by lining the plates with isolation on the outside

This way the only way you can see the unfaired (but painted) boxes is if you crawl under the cockpit and when bench it's back support is flipped forward for service or something.

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EDIT: Jayson,Reefie I was a bit slow responding because of editing the picture so some question has been cross referenced :oops:
reefie wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 am Maybe you could put in some sort of thin plywood floor and then fill in the box cavities with pourable flotation foam... or... use something like Divinycell to fill up the box cavities and then glass over creating a nice level inner hull surface.
That's what I meant in option 2 but instead of thin plywood biax cloth over foam
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:53 am If this thing "goes sideways" there won't be much left to float :)
:lol: :lol: That's what I told Tom
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:53 amHonest question... why fill the cavities?
As a backing is cloth is used instead of ply

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:32 am
by Jaysen
That makes sense. I'd go with your plan, but consider swapping the heavy diamond plate for something like aluminum. As to deadening, some pour foam stuck to the back of the plate before it is installed should reduce the sound quite a bit. And you really will want that. The screaming hell hounds will be loud enough without an echo chamber to help them.

One last thing on the metal cladding... heat. That metal will warm up quicker and retain heat more than wood. You'll need to make sure you have enough air flow through the engine compartment to keep the fuel liquid. More of an issue with a carb/float bowl based fuel system than an EFI, so prefer the EFI based motor if you have that option. Granted you then have more complexity for electrics, but it would reduce the heat issues.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:15 pm
by Christer
I can't honestly see any reason to fair the inside of the boxes which won't be seen from the outside, and as long as they are coated and painted, I'd just leave them as is.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Center boxes up to the nose cone also filleted and taped. Image
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:50 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Peter!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Last pic made me look twice and forced me to go outside and check on the transom knees 8O , pfff they are level, how a picture can be deceiving :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:55 pm
by Jaysen
Assuming you go with your plan of flaming pipe engine, what do you think the terminal speed will be on your wooden bullet?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:55 pm Assuming you go with your plan of flaming pipe engine, what do you think the terminal speed will be on your wooden bullet?
I have no clue but I'm in contact with the guy from the aluminum Harley boat I posted earlier, so maybe/hopefully he has answers, from the look of that video it goes fast! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:51 pm
by Jaysen
Are you selling tickets to the inaugural "full throttle HOLY SHOOT!" event? We may need to collectively get a video crew there.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:21 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:51 pm Are you selling tickets to the inaugural "full throttle HOLY SHOOT!" event? We may need to collectively get a video crew there.
Sure as long as a small part of the ticket yield goes to my "Hah he's done dump him in the ocean funeral" It's fine by me, won't be much some sheets,rum and a boat charter and you are done, :P also 60% of the video rights goes to my SHMBO 8) DEAL?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:30 pm
by Jaysen
These boat launch parties are going to get expensive.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:30 pm These boat launch parties are going to get expensive.
Can't have it all my friend 8) :D :D But you can always book a cruise 8) http://www.somalicruises.com/

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:46 am
by danieloldhouse
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:31 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:30 pm These boat launch parties are going to get expensive.
Can't have it all my friend 8) :D :D But you can always book a cruise 8) http://www.somalicruises.com/
Surely animal activists won't complain 8) 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:53 am
by peter-curacao
danieloldhouse wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:46 amSurely animal activists won't complain 8) 8) 8)
Not sure I understand this.
Edit: O wait now I do, it's about the cruise :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:36 pm
by danieloldhouse
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:53 am
danieloldhouse wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:46 amSurely animal activists won't complain 8) 8) 8)
Not sure I understand this.
Edit: O wait now I do, it's about the cruise :lol:
It's like a safari, only better
:lol: :lol: :lol: When I read the title it was the first thing that came in my mind

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:12 pm
by peter-curacao
6 more boxes done, if you guys getting tired and/or bored with all those box pictures please let me know I understand as no other :lol: and I will stop posting them. :wink:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:20 pm
by Jaysen
Keep posting please. Some of us noobs need to see how it is done "right" frequently so it will make it past the dense, dead, outer brain cells and down into the "un-alcholoed" brain cells.

The slow guy, me, needs you to explain the template in pic1. Please.

I know you are creating reliefs in the tape but I can't see where those line up in the boxes.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:15 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:20 pm Keep posting please. Some of us noobs need to see how it is done "right" frequently so it will make it past the dense, dead, outer brain cells and down into the "un-alcholoed" brain cells.

The slow guy, me, needs you to explain the template in pic1. Please.

I know you are creating reliefs in the tape but I can't see where those line up in the boxes.
LOL :lol: :lol:
About your template question, actually it's 3 templates hope this picture explains.
So stringer sides small box overlap them self's in the middle, stringer sides big box receive an overlapping fill piece in the middle, Frame sides side box receive an overlapping piece that goes all the way up to the sheerline
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:11 pm
by Jaysen
That makes a lot of sense. thank you for explaining.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:28 am
by blueflood
Jaysen wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:20 pm Some of us noobs need to see how it is done "right" frequently so it will make it past the dense, dead, outer brain cells and down into the "un-alcholoed" brain cells.

The slow guy, me, needs you to explain the template in pic1. Please.
:lol: :lol: Funny Jaysen. That cracked me up !

Marc

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:08 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
Keep posting, I wont have any boxes to glass or tape on my boat any more but the fact that I know how to do it distracts from being scared about a 2 week holiday ( note not a cruise ) near the Red Sea that I booked the other day. I follow your progress all the time and the splashing of little Rum Runner ( or is a new name making the run ? ) will be a highlight in my forum reads.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:53 am
by peter-curacao
Okay I took a little break from the taping the boxes sequence 8)

To hide the glassed boxes or as you wish taking a fairing shortcut I decided to go ahead with a sole in the cockpit as discussed earlier.
Got some inspiration from the discussion I had with Jtdums (RB 14 by Kayla) about the Bruijnzeel decora and interplex flooring, at the moment they only sell the 18 mm here, way to thick for my little Rum Runner so I decide to try and make one myself from 6 mm, in which also set the black and candy apple red paint scheme for the boat.

Started by making a mold from old scrap, then I did cut up a sheet of 6 mm Okume and gluid it back up together just to have the grain in the same direction of the planking, I could have nest the mold different but than the grain was 90 degrees opposite to the planking which imo doesn't look how it should be. Then I routed the channels after that I taped the planking and filled the channels with black epoxy putty, next day due to shrinking I filled it again, when all was hardened I took the multitool and put smaller channels into the filled black channels, then filled those with red epoxy putty, after that was hardened I sanded and epoxy coated it completely.

I know it's far from perfect, fortunately most flaws are beneath the seat and in front under the deck, but for the lucky guys here with a CNC machine this could work out perfectly 8) , on the other hand not having it a 100% perfect also gives it some character I think? :P all in all I'm happy with it :wink:

Sole mold from very old scrap 8O
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Routing the channels
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Planking taped
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Filled 2 times
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Cutting narrow channels
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Filling narrow channels with red epoxy putty
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Sanded and ready for epoxy coating
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End result
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End result
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:12 pm
by Christer
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:17 pm
by pee wee
That looks great, Peter! I think the little variations in the line are an assurance that this is a custom, handmade detail.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:23 pm
by Jaysen
First, I admit that I'm slower than a box of molasses covered rocks. In January. In Alaska. I'm not sure I completely get the processes here. Here's what I think I'm seeing...

1. make the core shape (no notches)
2. route in the "grove width"
3. cut out notches
4. fill with base color
5. use edge then "route" the pin stripe
6. fill with second color
7. point Eric1 at it
8. clear coat.

Is that right?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:01 pm
by cape man
Peter! That is gorgeous! And from a hunk of scrap!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:22 pm
by MrPaul
That looks gorgeous! Is there any way to add some type of non skid quality to it without messing up the way it looks? I'd like to do something similar but i need non skid.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys
@Craig: only the mold was scrap
@Jaysen: Yes! especially for you I added the whole photo series, apparently still not enough :lol:
MrPaul wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:22 pm That looks gorgeous! Is there any way to add some type of non skid quality to it without messing up the way it looks? I'd like to do something similar but i need non skid.
EMC clear coat mixed with AwlGrip GripTex non-skid

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:27 pm
by TomW1
Peter absolutely beautiful. You did a great job. :D

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:35 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Thx Guys
@Jaysen: Yes! especially for you I added the whole photo series, apparently still not enough :lol:
I did say I was slow didn’t i?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:39 pm
by reefie
That sole looks fantastic Peter - really sets the theme.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:31 pm
by Jeff
Peter, really well done!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Holy cow that is nice looking work my friend. :D
You don't need a cnc, you got a skilled set of hands.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:11 pm
by MrPaul
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Thx Guys
@Craig: only the mold was scrap
@Jaysen: Yes! especially for you I added the whole photo series, apparently still not enough :lol:
MrPaul wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:22 pm That looks gorgeous! Is there any way to add some type of non skid quality to it without messing up the way it looks? I'd like to do something similar but i need non skid.
EMC clear coat mixed with AwlGrip GripTex non-skid
Thanks Peter. Yours came out absolutely beautiful.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:51 am
by Fuzz
Do you just think up stuff and then make it perfect every time? Man you do nice work and fast too.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:47 am
by willg
Dang, that's nice!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:48 am
by topwater
Outstanding work right there :!: She's going to be pretty 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:11 am
by Dougster
Wow! I'd make the biggest mess in the world trying to do that. This build is something to watch for sure. Tomorrow will have to work itself out, but you the man today Peter!

Dougser

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:34 pm
by Browndog
That is some sweet work! I will definitely be copying that technique at some point in the future. That needs to go into the boat building methods section.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:16 pm
by PNWcx25
Nicely done, Peter.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:56 pm
by narfi
I really like that!
What did you use to make the black and red epoxy? You have some special pigment you mix with it? Is it thickened at all or just colored?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:27 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx again guys I appreciate the nice comments very much, kind of helps me to keep going 8)
Fuzz wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:51 amDo you just think up stuff and then make it perfect every time?
Believe me it isn't perfect :wink: And yes I try to do everything by head how I imagined it, but it doesn't always work out, far from it.
narfi wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:56 pm What did you use to make the black and red epoxy? You have some special pigment you mix with it? Is it thickened at all or just colored?
Yes I used pigments special for epoxy it's available in several basic colors at marine stores, first mixed the epoxy and then thickened it with silica, because this is white it blends nicely into the colored epoxy.
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Evercoat resin coloring agent

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:32 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice Peter! Love your creativity!! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:10 pm
by cape man
Okay now stop. That is beautiful. We all agree. Now build on!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:27 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:10 pm Okay now stop. That is beautiful. We all agree. Now build on!
I am :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:34 am
by MrPaul
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:27 pm
I am :wink:
Sweet! More pics please :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:26 pm
by peter-curacao
First I thought of gluing the sole on the stringers and frames only but decided to make those a I beam structures, maybe overkill but better a little to strong as a little to weak, so here it is almost ready for closed cell foam 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:19 pm
by Jaysen
You dashing the possibility of a YouTube vid of an engine going off into the sunset with no boat attached.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Doesn't look like overkill to me.
Nice work Peter. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:16 pm
by BarraMan
Death Wish” is certainly very well built!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:21 pm
by jtdums
Peter,
Since we seem to have a psych connections when it comes to making planking, I would love for you to expound on that portion of the project more... :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:21 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys 8)

Well Sunday afternoon all marine stores closed, ran out of foam and resin so I think I take my own advise towards Richard :P ...........................................Too much info? 8O 8O :lol: :lol:
Btw this Seahawk foam is hard like a brick,I like it 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Changing the subject, what are you using to trim the foam?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:35 pm what are you using to trim the foam?
Just a simple but sharp handsaw

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:04 pm
by peter-curacao
Sole is in so I can go back to glassing boxes

19 boxes filled with foam and 20 about to disappear, no fairing for those boxes yeahhh :D
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Epoxy putty on the I beams.
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Clamping in the sole.
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Little more weight just to be sure.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:12 pm
by Jaysen
Man that’s one hot looking sole. Hard to believe that’s just plywood and epoxy.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:21 pm
by Eric1
That is looking smart!! Great job Peter!! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:55 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Awesome looking work Peter 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:03 pm
by Larry B
class act all the way :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:32 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful work!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:48 pm
by MrPaul
Man...that looks really good. I can only imagine what it will look like when you have the seats and dash in.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:15 pm
by PNWcx25
The floor came out Nice Peter -

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:50 am
by cape man
Good job Peter! I may have to get down there for the launch!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:31 am
by topwater
If the sole looks like that i can't wait to see the topsides 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:05 am
by Dougster
I'm joining the choir, that looks just fine!

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:20 am
by Fred in Wisc
That is sweet!

Also I like your clever use of the clamps- running a board across the gunnels and setting the clamps up "backwards" to push instead of pull. that's a great idea.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:15 am
by cape man
As soon as that sets up I would put some heavy duty plastic sheeting or some other material on top to protect it as the build moves on. 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys, I'm back at glassing boxes now :)
cape man wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:50 am Good job Peter! I may have to get down there for the launch!
As soon as that sets up I would put some heavy duty plastic sheeting or some other material on top to protect
You know you are always more then welcome 8)
Yeah I have some thin plasticized cardboard we use on carpet in new projects, same I used for lofting the frames, thx for reminding me.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:13 pm
by jtdums
Sole looks great. Very professional. I hope I can duplicate the results when the time comes.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:24 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Very nice! kinda reminds me of a combination of the dash panels we did for the Jetabout, with the color scheme (red and black carbon/kevlar cloth) and the bright finished (white pigmented epoxy filled) deck. Are you going to carry that red/black trim theme a bit further? Can't wait to see the finished product.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:09 pm
by glossieblack
I imagine getting that bit of decking down revived your spirits for more box glassing work. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:33 pm
by peter-curacao
bateau-webmaster wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:24 pm Are you going to carry that red/black trim theme a bit further? Can't wait to see the finished product.
Yes metallic black and candy apple red pin striping is still the plan on the parts with non bare wood.
glossieblack wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:09 pm I imagine getting that bit of decking down revived your spirits for more box glassing work. :D
Yes it did, as you can see below I try to keep some variation between the jobs. :wink:

I'm not sure this boat lends itself for skiing, but I think putting in some "antique" ski's in her is a good selling point.(read plastic ski's with wood veneer :) )
That's why I decided to make a stern brace for a towing eye and of course it's also comes in handy for a (teardrop) cleat or maybe a combo of the two like this one.
It's not fancy or pretty like steam bended or ply laminated, just carved, filled and glassed 1x1, but it's strong and should do the job I think, not gonna see it later anyway.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:38 pm
by Jaysen
How often have you epoxied that dock to the floor? Although if you brought him food regular I don't think he'd care...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:47 am
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:38 pm How often have you epoxied that dock to the floor? Although if you brought him food regular I don't think he'd care...
LOL :lol: No as long as he can be with me and preferable in my way he's happy and doesn't give a sh@#t

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking good Peter! You have some serious structure in your boat!! 8)
I don't think she is going to be a death trap, unless the rum blows up. :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:44 am
by gonandkarl
What fantastic progress you make I am excited and also looking forward to the finished boat. I have one question about the floor where you routed a thin line filling it with red epoxy. How did you make sure that you did not mess it outside that small groove ? Did you work with masking tape ? My epoxy is everywhere in the workshop, on the boat, the bathroom light switch and cellar door frame. I am still looking with the biggest zoom on that perfect floor and because I am colour blind I forced my wife also to look at it and describe details that only she can see. For that favour she wont look at any boats or pictures of them for the rest of the year.
Does not matter as my boat is progressing only slow and will never be such an eye catcher as Yours. Carry on the good work and let us have a look at it as often as possible.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm
by peter-curacao
Had to do some front yard Christmas decorating but today I finally finished filleting and taping the forward step boxes, lot's of cleanup (sanding) to do, but I think I leave that for after the Holidays, Gloria want's to have the house dust free before we leave for Europe, so if she doesn't shoot me maybe tomorrow and coming days some building on sheer and center line and maybe some bucket seats, after all saw dust isn't sanding dust :P
Karl I just taped off the main (black) groves, after I filled the black their was of course a little bit of red film over it, but a bit of sanding took all that away, hope this answers your question.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Your boat looks great Peter! Man that is a ton of work taping and filleting in the frames!! 8)
Are able to reach all areas from the outside or do you crawl in also?
Have a great time in Europe mi amigo!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:25 am
by peter-curacao
Thank you Richard, yes fortunately with some walking side to side I was able to reach everything from the outside 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:13 am
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:25 am Thank you Richard, yes fortunately with some walking side to side I was able to reach everything from the outside 8)
Lucky you!! Mt short fat butt would have had to crawl inside! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:42 am
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:13 am
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:25 am Thank you Richard, yes fortunately with some walking side to side I was able to reach everything from the outside 8)
Lucky you!! Mt short fat butt would have had to crawl inside! :lol:
:lol: Been there :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:46 pm
by Fuzz
Peter that last picture showing all the internal structure is amazing. Not sure where you got the plans or if they were any good or not but you result is a thing to behold! You my friend have a ton of talent.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:36 pm
by cape man
Ditto

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:21 pm
by peter-curacao
You guys make me blush :lol:
Fuzz I got the plans here at Bateau at the free plans section http://boatplans-online.com/plans/BPO_flyer.pdf, I only used the offset table of it, the rest I fill in myself along the way trying to incorporate the techniques we use here.

Did the center and sheer line, yesterday I struggled a little but when I switched from finishing nails to drywall screws it went a lot better. Filled the seams hopefully when dry it will keeps it shape when taking the screws out, cause I have to take it off to glue it to the frames. If I don't screw up the decking this together with a small part of the sides,bow and stern will receive fairing and paint, still thinking metallic black, with candy apple red pin striping 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm
by Jaysen
There may be a shortage of socks if you keep this up.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I like the strips! 8) Looks great!
I have to say stripping is the most relaxing form of boatbuilding.
Reminds me I need to build another strip canoe someday...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm There may be a shortage of socks if you keep this up.
Touché :lol: :lol: turn them inside out
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:54 pm I like the strips! 8)
Reminds me I need to build another strip canoe someday...
Your canoe is beautiful can't be compared with those strips, I used strips because it was easier as cutting the form out of a ply sheet, also more economic (epoxy not taken into account)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:28 pm
by peter-curacao
Btw where do I find the plans for that strip canoe?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:28 pm Btw where do I find the plans for that strip canoe?
Here is a link for the book. 8)

https://www.amazon.com/Building-Strip-C ... e+building

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Old pics of the canoe splash in the pool. :D

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:32 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:38 pmHere is a link for the book. 8)
https://www.amazon.com/Building-Strip-C ... e+building
Thank you Richard
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:38 pm Old pics of the canoe splash in the pool. :D
Yep that's the one

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:51 pm
by peter-curacao
Cleaning up the boxes before gluing the sheer line on, I think I'm almost sure I ain't gonna fair them, just clean a little more then prime and paint, again what would you guys do? keeping in mind it's a b..ch to sand them.
Of course cockpit sites above the sole will be faired and receive black/red paint
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:15 pm
by Browndog
Hit them with primer and see how they look.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:17 pm
by Jaysen
If they aren’t visiable or accessible via hatch, then who cares?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:37 pm
by narfi
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:17 pm If they aren’t visiable or accessible via hatch, then who cares?
Agreed!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:19 pm
by cape man
Why even paint them? Are they sealed? (Yes). Ever going to see it? (No). I didn't paint under my sole.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:33 pm
by TomW1
Peter in all honesty epoxy is only broken down by sunlight. So if they are going to be covered forget about painting them. Just cover them and be done with it. These are same as the compartments of your C25 and you didn't paint those did you?

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:46 pm
by Jaysen
What follows is humor...

I think peters concern is that once he powers death trap up and shoots off the dock like a bat exiting hell with its nads lit and flaming like cherries in a fancy restaurant and that pile of wood flies into pieces of various sizes, he doesn’t want to be judged as a sloppy Workman.

That’s my thought anyway.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:01 am
by topwater
:lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:24 am
by Eric1
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:46 pm What follows is humor...

I think peters concern is that once he powers death trap up and shoots off the dock like a bat exiting hell with its nads lit and flaming like cherries in a fancy restaurant and that pile of wood flies into pieces of various sizes, he doesn’t want to be judged as a sloppy Workman.

That’s my thought anyway.
So.... You've been thinking of Peter's Flaming cherry nads. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In all fairness, You opened that door! :P

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:02 am
by Jaysen
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:24 am
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:46 pm What follows is humor...

I think peters concern is that once he powers death trap up and shoots off the dock like a bat exiting hell with its nads lit and flaming like cherries in a fancy restaurant and that pile of wood flies into pieces of various sizes, he doesn’t want to be judged as a sloppy Workman.

That’s my thought anyway.
So.... You've been thinking of Peter's Flaming cherry nads. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In all fairness, You opened that door! :P
More about the cherry nads of flaming flying rodents but... maybe that’s the same thing!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:56 am
by Bogieman
:lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:50 am
by danieloldhouse
I'm trying to figure it out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:02 pm
by Fuzz
I am just trying to figure out who is crazier Peter or Jaysen :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:36 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:46 pm What follows is humor...

I think peters concern is that once he powers death trap up and shoots off the dock like a bat exiting hell with its nads lit and flaming like cherries in a fancy restaurant and that pile of wood flies into pieces of various sizes, he doesn’t want to be judged as a sloppy Workman.

That’s my thought anyway.
I don't think you realize how close to the truth you are with this comment :P :lol:

Thank you all for the comments guys, Tom I know sunlight isn't the issue, but those compartments aren't exactly the same as on my CS, after all they won't receive a sole over it, Craig will anyone ever see it? well there is always that guy who takes a peek there were he shouldn't, how do I know? I'm a guy like that :lol: If I saw that boat I also would take a peek under the dashboard to see whats going on there :wink:

Browndog I agreed with you and hit them with primer, thought it would look a lot worse, if I can say it myself? it isn't that bad at all if you ask me.
Think I'm gonna finish it with white, grey or red what do you guys think? I think grey is best for the engine compartment but white doesn't show as much weave I think, and red is more in the paint scheme Aaahh I don't know :doh:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:45 pm
by Jaysen
grey

Light enough to make things easier on the eyes. Dark enough to not look like fecal matter the first time you get a pit of grease on your finger.

I think you need more than primer though. I'd hit it with either a real topcoat or with a layer of epoxy just to keep the primer from sucking up ... fecal matter.

For the record, I have every confidence that death trap will hold together and get you in lots of trouble. Trouble caused by ripping around a harbor like an cherry red, flaming testicled bat.

would it be speeding or wreck-less endangerment? ;)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:00 pm
by joe2700
Bilge paint isn't too expensive, not more expensive than epoxy primer or top coat. Very hard so it's easy to clean, and its made to resist water and gas/oil in case any of that ends up down there. If you care about how it is even where you can't see, I think that's the right stuff.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:45 pm I think you need more than primer though. I'd hit it with either a real topcoat or with a layer of epoxy just to keep the primer from sucking up ... fecal matter.
Yes that's why I asked for the color suggestions, i'm gonna hit it with AP-thane, if paint could be structural this was the one :lol: It's used a lot in the dry dock over here painting freighters, tankers and also on the oil refinery , I used it in my CS benches super tough stuff, primer comes from the same series btw.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:45 pm

For the record, I have every confidence that death trap will hold together and get you in lots of trouble. Trouble caused by ripping around a harbor like an cherry red, flaming testicled bat.

would it be speeding or wreck-less endangerment? ;)
LOL probably both :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:12 pm
by Jaysen
I’d still go grey on the paint. Lighter is better.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:36 pm
by TomW1
Peter didn't realize they were not going to be covered. Definitely go with a bilge paint. The grey you show looks excellent. Spraying it would save a lot of time.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:54 pm
by Browndog
Peter,

That primer on the interior looks awesome! Way to go. What ever you do next I know will be excellent. You are da Man!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:30 pm
by Eric1
If some of these are left exposed I would checker board them with black and white like a racing flag! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:49 am
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:30 pm If some of these are left exposed I would checker board them with black and white like a racing flag! :D
That could be a good idea 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:22 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:12 pm I’d still go grey on the paint. Lighter is better.
So (Navy) Grey it is! 8) 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:23 pm
by Jaysen
Excellent...

That will get Eric1 all excited.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:26 pm
by Jeff
Nice!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Since I almost got lynched on duckworks FB page calling it navy grey discard the navy and just call it grey :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks great Peter! Tell those Duckworks guys to go ... :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:41 pm
by Eric1
You know I like this. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:52 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:29 pm Looks great Peter! Tell those Duckworks guys to go ... :lol:
I deleted my post, didn't wanna kept up all night by beebs reveling stupid comments 8O so took off my post with all comments I think and re posted this! hope it keeps the trolls calm :wink: 8)
Safari red engine compartment or banana yellow, could be ocean blue also or navy grey for all I care, depends on the device you are looking at! all in all I really don't care about the exact color, I'm just posting my progress on my Flyer build hope you guys like it and please trolls out there leave it (color) alone please!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:56 pm
by narfi
I like it!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:52 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:29 pm Looks great Peter! Tell those Duckworks guys to go ... :lol:
I deleted my post, didn't wanna kept up all night by beebs reveling stupid comments 8O so took off my post with all comments I think and re posted this! hope it keeps the trolls calm :wink: 8)
Safari red engine compartment or banana yellow, could be ocean blue also or navy grey for all I care, depends on the device you are looking at! all in all I really don't care about the exact color, I'm just posting my progress on my Flyer build hope you guys like it and please trolls out there leave it (color) alone please!
All good! And your boat looks great!
I have never seen anyone here correct a color name.
When are you leaving for Europe?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am
by Fred in Wisc
That looks top-notch! And sanded plenty well for below deck.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:48 am
by cape man
Despite my earlier suggestion, that looks great. Glad you ignored me! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:36 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:14 am
by topwater
I like it :!: Don't worry about the trolls and armchair warriors who have never built anything on the other forum ,
every forum has them. Just ignore them .

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:28 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:14 am I like it :!: Don't worry about the trolls and armchair warriors who have never built anything on the other forum ,
every forum has them. Just ignore them .
BINGO!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:23 am
by pee wee
Agreed, that looks great. Also, thanks for spelling it "grey", my preferred spelling.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:24 pm
by danieloldhouse
I've bet and I won, just let me know how much! :lol: :lol: :lol: You've painted that inside, and man, that looks great

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:49 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you for the comments guys, as always they are very much appreciated 8)

Richard we leave for Europe in 2 weeks, if you like and I can find the time I post pics. 8)
Craig I didn't ignore you I have considered your suggestion, just liked it better painted.
Pee wee until your comment I didn't even know there where more ways to spell it :lol:

Started fairing the cockpit sides, what do you guys think, sides metallic black and frames candy apple red or or vice versa?
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:57 pm
by Fuzz
Damn that looks pretty Peter.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:03 pm
by TomW1
pee wee wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:23 am Agreed, that looks great. Also, thanks for spelling it "grey", my preferred spelling.
Had to look up the use of grey and gray after all this. They are basically interchangeable and we are fine using grey here. :D :D :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:50 pm
by Jaysen
Now I know she “Death Trap”, but we should not encourage death by roasting, only death by “hold my beer and watch this” in this build. Which means that minimizing the opportunity for heat stroke should be considered. I’d go red sides, black frames. But that might be too bright. What about using that grey for the sides, black for the frames, then using the red with edge the frames and sides?

Or black sides and red frames.

What does Fuzz like?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:35 pm
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:50 pm Or black sides and red frames.

What does Fuzz like?
Creek Robber Grey.......................fashion and colours going together is something I truly suck at :oops:
That being said flames should be red with maybe some yellow mixed in. Black is nice but man you better be really good at fairing and painting to pull it off. 8O

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:39 am
by Jaysen
I was going to say “what does fuzz like? Do the opposite” but fuzz beat me too it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:57 pm
by peter-curacao
Since the glue worked I went on with sanding the cockpit sides :D after that I rolled on some high build primer, normally I spray it but didn't feel like setting up and covering everything for such a small job. Worked out okay, sites are looking as good as done but as expected corners need some more work filling and sanding 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:01 pm
by Jaysen
Soooo... I'm thinking (which explains why all the fire alarms are going off), what's the expecting life time of this rocky-mountain-oyster maker?

(Peter, look it up and I think you'll find the associate humorous)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:16 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:01 pm Soooo... I'm thinking (which explains why all the fire alarms are going off), what's the expecting life time of this rocky-mountain-oyster maker?

(Peter, look it up and I think you'll find the associate humorous)
Not sure I understand, if I'm the oyster maker I won't have a very long life time with fried balls :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:32 pm
by Jaysen
Death Trap will be the oyster maker.

I'm just wondering how long you are building the boat to last. If it was me or fuzz, she make about 2 trips... the first will be a quick shake down and the second will start off with a "hold my beer... watch this!" at which point we will wind up in jail or meeting our maker.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:32 pm Death Trap will be the oyster maker.

I'm just wondering how long you are building the boat to last. If it was me or fuzz, she make about 2 trips... the first will be a quick shake down and the second will start off with a "hold my beer... watch this!" at which point we will wind up in jail or meeting our maker.
Rofl :lol: I hope to do the same as you describe but also hope luck is on my side and will have sold her before all that is going to happen. :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:46 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:38 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:32 pm Death Trap will be the oyster maker.

I'm just wondering how long you are building the boat to last. If it was me or fuzz, she make about 2 trips... the first will be a quick shake down and the second will start off with a "hold my beer... watch this!" at which point we will wind up in jail or meeting our maker.
Rofl :lol: I hope to do the same as you describe but also hope luck is on my side and will have sold her before all that is going to happen. :lol:
Which means Fuzz and I will need to roll our pennies before we show up...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Little more filling and fairing.
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I think, no I'm almost sure this is my last build update before we leave for Europe, miss Clause want's this Santa to clean up his shit in his little workshop.:santa: :snowman_with_snow: :christmas_tree: :gift:
Wish all you guys and galls a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, have fun and be safe 8)

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:20 pm
by Jaysen
I would suggest you stay out of trouble, but I know that just won't happen. So instead, I'll suggest that you enjoy the trip and get back "ready to work".

Have a great holiday!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:29 pm
by Eric1
Have fun Peter! See you when you return! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:47 pm
by Fuzz
Have fun. I will miss you whit while you are off having fun.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:58 pm
by TomW1
Enjoy your trip Peter, you and Gloria have a fun time.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:06 pm
by Fred in Wisc
Have a lot of fun, but stay out of jail.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:15 pm
by Jeff
Peter, have a safe trip and enjoy the holidays!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:19 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys I will try stay out of trouble and jail but can't guarantee anything :lol: off to the airport now again to all !
:gift: :mrs_claus: HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! :santa: :snowman_with_snow:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:14 am
by VeloceRuss
I'm new here but have been lusting after the Flyer for several years. Sure wish I had found this thread months ago. Three weeks ago, I sailed right past Curacao! Would have enjoyed a visit with Peter and his beautiful craft.

I also have ideas for power that may be of interest. In fact, I have collected some parts for building a Flyer myself when I finish my sailboat ride. But that may be ten years from now.

Alfa Romeo builds beautiful engines in cars that would rust out long before the engine died. There are engines available cheap, they are easy to rebuild and parts available. They are light weight being all aluminum and of course, powerful and rugged. I have owned about 40 of them over the past 40 years. The 2 liter, 4 cylinder is slightly under 135 cu in but most likely 100 pounds lighter than the Gray Fireball and 50 more hp. The 2.5 or 3.0 liter V6 weighs about the same as the 4 cylinder and puts out another 50 hp. The 4 cylinder is DOHC and a rather tall engine. My quick measurements say it will fit in the Flyer. The V6 would be less tall.

Here are ideas I have for marine conversion:

Exhaust: I bought a water jacketed manifold from Ebay that closely matched the spacing of the exhaust ports on the Alfa 4cyl head. This manifold is for one side of a V8, thus 4 cyl. I will have to make exhaust flanges and weld short tubes to the manifold, using an old head as a jig.

Transmission: I bought an in-out box from a sprint car. They don't use these any more but I found one from a collector. This is a simple dog clutch with heavy duty bearings that can handle 800 hp. It is compact and weighs about 12 pounds. It has a universal joint on one end that will attach to the engine flywheel. The Alfetta model of Alfa Romeo had the clutch, transmission and differential in the rear. There was a rubber coupling on the the flywheel. I would weld the yoke for the rubber coupling on the in-out shaft and couple it to the engine with the rubber coupling that is nicely piloted to the flywheel. The Alfetta flywheel will fit any Alfa 2 liter engine.

A flange pillow block bearing would have to be mounted on a bulkhead to take the prop thrust. This would be just aft of the in-out box, standard hydroplane design. There would be no reverse but neutral would be quite useful in docking. I do have an idea for reverse. OK, I have designed this boat in my head for years. It's a disease! I would take a small, 12 volt motor like one from a trolling motor and couple it to the prop shaft via belt and pulleys. With the in-out box disengaged, the electric motor could drive the boat in forward and reverse! It would be an effective reverse and limp-home method if the engine failed. My river (MIlwaukee, WI, USA) has no wake zones. Wouldn't it be fun to shut off the engine and glide along silently. There would have to be some way to de-tension the belt and move it aside when running the engine. Lithium batteries are coming down in price. Just might build a hybrid powered Flyer.

Weight and cost of all of this would be way below a transmission. Cassell makes V-drives and forward/reverse/neutral dog clutches. They might be able to make one for the use in the Flyer. Or a marine transmission could be adapted to a standard Spider engine.

Engine mods: The standard oil pan for the 2L engine has a very cool but wide "batwing" design. It might be too wide to get down low in the hull. The Alfetta model used a standard looking, cast aluminum pan. The Alfetta engine also had a cast aluminum tail piece mounted where the transmission mounts as a rear motor mount. This might work well for the boat or could easily be modified. Alfa Spider models from 1984 to 1995 used Bosch EFI. I would use one of these with a CDI distributor. Cooling would be with a water/antifreeze heat exchanger and raw water oil cooler (like we have on our diesel engine). Raw water cooling would be quite simple but there is a risk of slugging cold water into the engine and cracking it. There is also a risk of starving the engine and over heating. The raw water pump would either be an impeller pump driven off the crank pulley via belt or a 12 volt wash-down pump. I think the wash-down pump would be a simple way to go.

The more I think about the possibility of using the V6 the more I am warming to the idea. When I first saw the Flyer plans, my mind with from the cast iron 4 cyl to a much better 4 cyl I'm familiar with. If a proper water-jacketed exhaust manifold can be fitted from a Mercruiser V6, I may change my mind on choice of engine. The only engines to consider are the 2.5 V6 from the GTV6 or Milano. The Milano Verde had a 3.0 liter that would be ideal. I wish I still had mine! There are a whoop-load of model 164 Alfas out there with 3.0 liter engines but these are for front wheel drive (due to Alfa being purchased by Fiat). These engines would work but would be ugly with asymmetrical design. Not an option. Internal parts from these engines would work fine in the Milano engines. Perhaps the 164 engine management system would be the best for EFI and coil-over ignition.

Food for thought. I have a lot of time for thought but sure can't build one of these beautiful boats on Tumultuous Uproar http://www.sailblogs.com/member/tuproar/.

Russ

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:43 pm
by Jeff
Russ, welcome to the Builders Forum!!! Looks like you have put a lot of thought into this build!! Peter is currently on holiday but he is an active builder and active here on the Forum!! He will get back to you!! Again, welcome to the Builders Forum and Happy New Year!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:24 pm
by Fred in Wisc
Welcome to the forum Russ. Im right in your neighborhood, on Little Muskego lake.

Peter's definitely one of the guys to watch around here, he builds some very interesting and highly detailed boats.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:31 pm
by peter-curacao
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I will respond later on several threads and questions but for now,
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!!8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:38 pm
by narfi
Happy New Year and welcome back! :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:40 pm
by Jaysen
Pics or you never left.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:48 pm
by Jeff
Welcome back Peter!! Happy New Year, Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:29 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:40 pm Pics or you never left.
Okay

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:47 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:29 pm
Jaysen wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:40 pm Pics or you never left.
Okay
There has to be some photographic proof you traveled and weren’t just slacking in the tropical sun. But if you were slacking in the sun with some nice views, I’m sure photographic proof of that would be welcome as well.

;)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Welcome back Peter! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:45 am
by TomW1
Welcome back now get that Flyer finished. :lol: Hope you had a good trip :!:

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:25 pm
by peter-curacao
Jeff wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:43 pm Looks like you have put a lot of thought into this build!!
It sure looks like it 8) Russ off course also from me welcome to the club :) I have to reread your post probably couple times more to completely understand, but I surely like some of your ideas, specially the 12 pond dog clutch transmission, but again I have to Google some of your terms to understand everything :)
About the engine I have my heart set a little towards a Harley engine, :lol: LOL even thought about 2 Harley blocks and two driveshafts but that was after a little to much of jummy black rum 8)
Jaysen wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:47 pm
There has to be some photographic proof you traveled and weren’t just slacking in the tropical sun.
There is Jaysen and you can find it here even together with video's<--- :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:36 am
by Jaysen
Well shoot. I was really hoping for the other photos. ;)

Now get back to work. Now that you, AA, Eric1 and GB (and all the rest of the guys) are back we need to see more master level work to offset the workboat mess Fuzz and I post.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:36 pm
by lung
Haven't read all the posts, but re: engines: These guys in Austrailia built a beautiful marinized 2.5l horizontally opposed Subaru. The Subaru boxer engine is a marvelous piece of engineering. http://www.kiwiengineering.com/SubaruMa ... rated.html

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Still not sure what to do, I really need to make a decision, 8O I feel so stupid regarding engines :roll: could this be the one? only thing I know is it wouldn't break my bank
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-3-V6-OMC-Cob ... ~R&vxp=mtr
[youtube]https://youtu.be/MDYg3zSVXts[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/fCrfEFrLW8M[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:14 pm
by peter-curacao

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:18 pm
by Tugboat
that sure would have the get up and go you need(Want....wink wink and has good noise numbers ) and minimum weight good high and midway power with a decent low RPM torque curve I like it with a alright gas consumption numbers being it is a light boat you really would not work the engine that hard
fantastic build it has been interesting build from the start thank you for sharing

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:46 pm
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:02 pm Still not sure what to do, I really need to make a decision, 8O I feel so stupid regarding engines :roll:
Peter, if engines and gearboxes are not your thing, and for budget reasons you want to buy second hand, it's highly likely that the cheapest and most hassle-free way will be to buy a second hand marine engine with a marine gearbox already attached to it, both in good condition. These come on the market when someone is repowering their boat with a bigger motor because they want more power, not because the existing motor is stuffed.

You need to know what you are doing to select a second hand motor that will connect to a second hand box without the need for specialist machining, adapter plates etc. Doesn't sound your scene.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:55 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys
Glossy I thought I learned a little bit that's why I posted those two links, I thought those two (engine gearbox) where an easy marriage, guess I have to do a little more studying? or....? :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:20 pm
by jacquesmm
I second what Glossieblack says, get a complete set.
If you start with another engine (marine), make certain that the bell housing is the proper SAE type to take the tranny and has the correct damper plate with the right spline etc.
If you want a new deal, ask for a quote from Mastry in Tampa, theye have some small gas engines not listed at their web site.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:53 pm
by peter-curacao
Sorry but did you guys even look at the links I posted?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:20 pm
by Jaysen
PC, while there is a "compatibility" listing, I'd be surprised if that transmission was a direct bolt on to all those blocks. I'd say ask that exact question of the trans seller just to make sure. Or look for a manufacture spec on bell housing on both sides.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:24 pm
by OrangeQuest
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:53 pm Sorry but did you guys even look at the links I posted?
I did! The engine doesn't look like it has ran in awhile due to rust starting to build in the v pulleys, not really a biggie. The transmission may have just been rebuilt but never installed afterwards. Little concerned the front cover has two arrows with the word "TOP" by them and they are pointing to the side. Does say it can be used with the engine but doesn't say it will bolt up without use of any additional parts. I don't know enough about marine hardware to say yea or nah.

Safe bet is buying a matched set as others have mentioned and the reasoning for doing so is very sound.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:47 pm
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:53 pm Sorry but did you guys even look at the links I posted?
Yes I did, and saw there was insufficient information to be able to safely assume an easy bolt together.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:52 pm
by jacquesmm
Peter, sorry if I misunderstood the question but what do you really want to know?
What you show is a really big engine for that little boat.
I will reread the whole thread tomorrow.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:24 am
by cape man
Peter, like you I'm not a motor head at all, so my only advice is to listen to the comments and make sure that motor and transmission will plug and play when it arrives on the island. The transmission seems compatible with a lot of engines, but the actual connections are going to be different. Ask the transmission guy if it would plug correctly into that engine or if you'll need some sort of adapter.

What happened to the Harley idea?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:36 pm
by jacquesmm
OK, I looked at it.
I can not tell you if it will fit or if a transmission will fit because I don't have enough data.
Let's try to sort through it.

Many years ago, I had a boat yard that specialized in repowering.
Keep in mind how it all goes together.
The engine block has a flywheel on which there is a damper plate (the disk with the springs).
Here is a pic of the block without the damper plate:
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On the flywheel, we bolt a damper plate:
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That damper plate has a spline to take the shaft of the transmission.

To cover the flwyheel and connect the transmission, we use a bell housing:

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And the whole setup looks like this:

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In that pic, the bell housing is the grey part.

or like this:

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In the next post, I will discuss compatibility.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:49 pm
by jacquesmm
For the transmission to fit, we need a number of things to match.
Usually, the engines are sold with a bell housing but not always. Bell housings are proprietary to the engine brand. The bolt pattern is standard but they often accept the starter.
There is as SAE standard for bell housings.

The damper plate bolt pattern is also an SAE standard as is the spline. It usually fits easily.

The transmission bolt pattern to the bell housing is also a standard.

The length of the spline is not always compatible with all the above and there are several standards depending on the engine size.

I don't see any information about the bell housing on the engine in the video, you should ask.

Transmission type: it's a fast boat that will turn a small prop. Get a 1:1. The BorgWarners 71 and 72 are solid and reliable but big and heavy. Check the total length.

I prefer the Hurt which is now ZF. Twin Disc is very good too.
You should get a good rebuilt 1:1 for less than $ 1,000.00.

I recommend the following:
get clear pictures from the back of the engine, check if the bell housing is there, same for the damper plate. Measure bolt spacing and number. Find a local marine transmission guy and work with him. You can get the damper plate for less than 100, bell housing maybe 150.
I know you can bolt it together yourself, it is not difficult but the problem is compatibility.
See if that engine manufacturer propose the same engine with a transmission (for a different application) and ask them which transmission will fit on that bell housing.

I am out of that marine engine business since 35 years and do not know the SAE types anymore but I will help.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm
by jacquesmm
Looking for pictures, I found this:
http://www.drinkwaard.com/en/products/m ... rsionkits/

It is a Dutch business that specialize in conversions unfortunately for diesels but he may know about gas engines. There is no difference when it comes to what we discuss.
He sells transmissions.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:00 pm
by jacquesmm
One more thing: check the engine rotation.
A 1:1 transmission turns the shaft the same as the block but any reduction gear will turn it the opposite way. It will matter when picking the prop.

Enough for today, I am going to get some of that Barbancourt we discussed a few days ago.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:20 pm
by peter-curacao
Jacques thank you so much taking the time writing those extensive answers, they make a lot of things much clearer to me and how everything goes together. Not sure what the damper plate does though :doh: I think I have a idea but not sure, suppose I go back to the Harley idea do I also need a damper plate with bell housing? or can I connect the 1:1 transmission direct to the crankshaft?

Again thank you so much taking the time answering, that goes for all of you guys, also please forgive me I'm so slow on this subject :P

Craig, Harley idea is still there just weighing options

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:39 pm
by Fuzz
Peter I am no motor head but I am pretty sure the damper plate does what it sounds like. That is dampen the shock when you engage a turning engine to a stationary transmission. Sort of like dropping the clutch or easing it out. Maybe one of our gear heads with chime in with better answers.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:41 pm
by jacquesmm
The damper plate absorbs the shock when you change gear. Look at it closely (or google damper plate) and you will see that the spline is fastened to the plate by big springs. The springs absorb the torque of the engine.
Even if you go for the Harley engine, you need a damper plate. If you don;t have it, each gear change will shake the crankshaft and you will quickly have ugly oil leaks at the main bearings.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:56 pm
by glossieblack
Peter, I don't think it's possible to mate up a bellhousing based marine gear box with a Harley engine without significant re-enginnering.

I believe the 1:1 box bellow would be practical, and would be way lighter than a Velvet Drive or ZF Hurth.

You would need the following sequence, working forward from the prop.

Prop shaft passing through cutlass bearing then connecting to a thrust bearing assembly anchored to hull then connecting to the aft end of the box, then a second shaft connecting the forward end of the box to the Harley engine.

The thrust bearing anchored to the hull is essential, without it the gearbox and the engine will be destroyed.

Edit: Marine gearboxes have a thrust bearing built in. The box below doesn't, hence the need to one between it and the prop.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBkN3CdBtOU[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:39 pm Peter I am no motor head but I am pretty sure the damper plate does what it sounds like. That is dampen the shock when you engage a turning engine to a stationary transmission. Sort of like dropping the clutch or easing it out. Maybe one of our gear heads with chime in with better answers.
I am no marine gear head but the damper plate looks like a flywheel and clutch disc in one unit on a standard transmission, without a pressure plate to engage/disengage the engine from trans. Just like others have said it absorbs the pulses of the engine and the shock of putting the trans in gear.
The input shaft of the transmission slides into the center of the damper plate but is not bolted directly to it. The trans bolts to the bellhousing then the bellhousing bolts to the block of the engine. The bell housing sets the depth the input shaft goes into the damper plate and where the starter engages the ring gear that is on the flywheel.

With the damper plate and trans bolt patterns being the same a lot of power units can be used with the same trans. As long as it is a marine power unit.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:47 pm
by deuce_454
if you pay the shipping you can have my gray marine 180 hp (buick aluminium v8) with heat exchanger, carb, starter, water-cooled exhaust bell housing and a 1:1 velvet drive for less than 2 grand .. it will need hoses and TLC, but its a light weight v8 that will be perfect for your project.. ill even throw it in a crate (but its located in europe, so you will need to be creative with the shipping)

i won't get around to using it (i was going to put in a ja18 but that project stalled)... i also have a hamilton jet i can throw in if you were so inclined

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:49 pm
by deuce_454
hell you can have the whole mess for 1600

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:52 pm
by peter-curacao
deuce_454 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:47 pm if you pay the shipping you can have my gray marine 180 hp (buick aluminium v8) with heat exchanger, carb, starter, water-cooled exhaust bell housing and a 1:1 velvet drive for less than 2 grand .. it will need hoses and TLC, but its a light weight v8 that will be perfect for your project.. ill even throw it in a crate (but its located in europe, so you will need to be creative with the shipping)

i won't get around to using it (i was going to put in a ja18 but that project stalled)... i also have a hamilton jet i can throw in if you were so inclined
deuce_454 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:49 pm hell you can have the whole mess for 1600
Very interested I will contact you by pb if that's okay?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:45 am
by jacquesmm
That sounds like a great deal. Make certain that it fits but I have the feeling that it will.
The good part is that it is a complete set with transmission and a 1:1 gear, perfect.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:16 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:45 am That sounds like a great deal. Make certain that it fits but I have the feeling that it will.
The good part is that it is a complete set with transmission and a 1:1 gear, perfect.
Yes I do think so also, just have to see what the shipping costs are, even hoping I can make the jet work in the last transom step, I asked and awaiting for pictures and measurements so hopefully I know it soon, as soon as I know I give an update 8)

Cockpit faired and in the epoxy primer, few pinholes and touch ups to do before final paint.

Ready for primer
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Primer is on few pinholes and touch ups to do
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:17 pm
by pee wee
Peter, it's so good to see this build moving along- I'm one of a crowd hoping to see this thing get splashed one day!

The way you work around problems and find solutions is an inspiration to me. Working from the kind of plans you are working with is no picnic, I'm sure, but it does encourage innovation, and once successfully completed you will have something special. Can't wait to see what comes next.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:19 pm
by deuce_454
if i were you id install it with a prop shaft, its much much faster on plane than a jet..... my whole reason for throwing in the velvet drive (that i have as a spare for my ski boat) was to say i had a hand in getting you on the water ;-)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:29 pm
by Fuzz
That is a hell of an offer on the velvet drive. Very nice thing to do.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:13 pm
by Eric1
Happy to see things coming together for you Peter!! :D

question for Jacques

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:38 pm
by peter-curacao
Jacques as you could read deuce offered his hamilton jet drive with the engine, I really like the idea of that, if I can make it fit, do you think this will work with this type of hull?

Re: question for Jacques

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:07 pm
by BarraMan
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:38 pm Jacques as you could read deuce offered his hamilton jet drive with the engine, I really like the idea of that, if I can make it fit, do you think this will work with this type of hull?
Sacrilege! :doh:

Re: question for Jacques

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:26 pm
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:07 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:38 pm Jacques as you could read deuce offered his hamilton jet drive with the engine, I really like the idea of that, if I can make it fit, do you think this will work with this type of hull?
Sacrilege! :doh:
I didn't change the title for nothing, but couldn't help your self I guess? :roll:
Also on the first page of this build thread I told you "I couldn't care less for your opinion"

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:02 pm
by BarraMan
"I couldn't care less for your opinion"
That's OK Peter - but I think it was an exclamation rather than an opinion.

We are all enthusiastically caught up in the audacity of your latest build. I just don't get why you would go to all the trouble of building a classic hull like "Death Wish" and then put a jet unit on it. Are you familiar with the origins of the Hamilton Jet? Orginally developed for running the shingle bed rivers of the South Island of New Zealand, for which they are fabulous - but on a classic hydroplane?

If you are going diverge that far from the classic design, you might as well put an outboard on it! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:08 pm
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:02 pm If you are going diverge that far from the classic design, you might as well put an outboard on it! :lol:
Says the "man" who raped a great design :lol:
BarraMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:02 pm I just don't get why you would go to all the trouble of building a classic hull like "Death Wish" and then put a jet unit on it
That also was explained by me somewhere 100 years ago! I'm not gonna look that up! if you wanna know look it up yourself! I said something like this " I wanna build a antique design in and with modern techniques" what is it you don't understand about that?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:25 pm
by BarraMan
Says the "man" who raped a great design :lol:
Touché Peter, you've got me with your choice of words! I can't respond to that without seeming to trivialize an abominable assault.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:38 am
by peter-curacao
BarraMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:25 pm
Says the "man" who raped a great design :lol:
Touché Peter, you've got me with your choice of words! I can't respond to that without seeming to trivialize an abominable assault.
Little bit sour? guess you missed the smiley, but go ahead do whatever you please! :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:55 am
by stickystuff
Some where in a big cardboard box full of pictures I have a pic of a Harley in a boat. Saw it in the Mt Dora antique boat show about 15 yrs ago. Will dig it out and see if I can find it.I think it was hooked up to a stern drive.??? :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:50 am
by peter-curacao
Thank you Ken I appreciate that, I did find some video's online with Harley boats, I will post the links under.
https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... 10#p406931
https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... 40#p407122

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Filled the pinholes touched up and sanded the primer and shot a second coat with a new gun I bought today,it gave me a lot of runners :? it has the same nozzle and felt like it shot the same as my old toasted gun but for some reason it shot a lot more paint, a well some more sanding ahead, but color coat is almost there 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:08 pm
by peter-curacao
I shot some color, the black has a red metallic flake in it you only see in direct sunlight and instead of candy apple red I went for a more antique cherry red also metallic. Had to do the black two times because cover paper screwed up the first session :? note to self don't use copy paper to cover fresh paint :idea:
Due to some miss taping some frames need some cleanup at the bottom, not a big deal because I still have to clear coat the sole.
Seats, side pockets, center console, gunwales and dash will cover the rest of the imperfections :lol: While I write this I'm thinking why the hell did I put all this work in it anyway 8O
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deuce_454 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:19 pm my whole reason for throwing in the velvet drive (that i have as a spare for my ski boat) was to say i had a hand in getting you on the water ;-)
If it works and we come to a deal I surely incorporate you in the build in some way, same as as I did with Craig and Larry on the tuna tubes (Pelacra tubes
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I'm thinking something like this logo embroidered in the backrests with racing added underneath 8)

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:29 pm
by Fuzz
Dang, that thing is looking really nice :!:
It is going to look amazing on the water.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:37 pm
by OrangeQuest
Really is looking good! How is the powertrain coming?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful work Peter! I love the red paint and the sole looks great! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:10 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looks fantastic Pete, great job mate! :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:25 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:08 pm While I write this I'm thinking why the hell did I put all this work in it anyway 8O
because you want the folks that are collecting the floating bits to say “that was onehell of a pretty boat!”

Which they will.
Because it is.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:28 pm
by reefie
Very impressive work on the cockpit area Peter.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:12 pm
by TomW1
Dang Peter as always you are a perfectionist. That looks great. Keep on keeping on. Can't wait till you put her on the water. I'll be watching your build.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:58 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice Peter!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm
by jtdums
That looks great Peter. Now I see why you added the highlights in the floor epoxy too. It is really all coming together.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:26 pm
by Bogieman
Wow!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:28 pm
by Jaysen
jtdums wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm That looks great Peter. Now I see why you added the highlights in the floor epoxy too. It is really all coming together.
Your RB ain’t no slouch in the looks department.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:21 pm
by cape man
Yes.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:38 am
by Browndog
Wow is right! That is something else. Man, what an inspiration.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:27 am
by OrangeQuest
So Peter C. from your comments, you do all your own art work also? Very talented!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:47 am
by Dougster
Dang that's amazing. I love following this build.

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:47 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you very much for the compliments guys 8) real confident booster
Jaysen wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:25 pm because you want the folks that are collecting the floating bits to say “that was onehell of a pretty boat!
There goes the confidence :lol: :lol:
OrangeQuest wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:37 pm Really is looking good! How is the powertrain coming?
We are working on it measuring and stuff see if it works, jet probably won't although it fit's Jacques is worried the step sends air to the intake.
TomW1 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:12 pm Dang Peter as always you are a perfectionist. That looks great.
Tom
Thx Tom but believe me I wouldn't say it is far from perfect but it isn't perfect either.
jtdums wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm That looks great Peter. Now I see why you added the highlights in the floor epoxy too. It is really all coming together.
Yep sometimes I do have a plan :lol:
OrangeQuest wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:27 am So Peter C. from your comments, you do all your own art work also?
Yes I try to do everything myself, on my CS only gas tanks, engine bracket/platform and T top support I have done by a third party

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:16 pm
by peter-curacao
A little more strength, sheerline in place in double biax, hopefully this invalidates Jaysen's prediction a little more :lol: :lol:
White spots you see isn's air but thickened epoxy (silica)
This time I planed a little from the sides so tape and fairing will lay even with the sides, wish I have done that on the lower sides also, ah well most of that will be under water.
This part together with the top center line will receive same paint as in the cockpit, first I thought black with red pinstripes but now that I saw the red I'm thinking other way around, not sure though :doh: suggestions are welcome. 8)
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Some hate this model boat but you got to love that ass :lol: 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:49 pm
by Jaysen
My prediction is not based on your building methods or a lack of sound planning. It is more about the fact that once you get that thing on the water you will go like a bat fleeing hades due to testicular ignition.

how about the black fade to the red with white lettering and accent lines?

Right about now Fuzz will be spraying his monitor.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:19 pm
by Jeff
Nice progress for you as well Peter!!! Can’t wait to see this boat fly!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:13 pm
by TomW1
Peter she is looking good, can't wait till you finish and put her on the water.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:40 am
by BarraMan
Yes I try to do everything myself, on my CS only gas tanks, engine bracket/platform and T top support I have done by a third party
And the O/board? :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:48 am
by peter-curacao
Thx Jeff & Tom
Jaysen wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:49 pm My prediction is not based on your building methods or a lack of sound planning. It is more about the fact that once you get that thing on the water you will go like a bat fleeing hades due to testicular ignition.

how about the black fade to the red with white lettering and accent lines?

Right about now Fuzz will be spraying his monitor.
I meant in terms of collecting the floating bits :wink:
I like the fading idea but I think that's out of my ability's to do it the right way, for lettering I was planning gold leaf, never worked with that either but saw my dad do it back in the days, he was truly an artist 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm
by Jaysen
I bet you can do the fade. Might be worth a few test panels. Just use some scrap just (card stock taped together would do it) and shoot some cheap paint. I give it an hours before you have it done.

And let’s face it... if you’re going to do something... less that smart ... it would hard to beat the story that would end with people collecting floating bits.

:D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:26 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm

And let’s face it... if you’re going to do something... less that smart ... it would hard to beat the story that would end with people collecting floating bits.

:D
As long as I can tell the story myself you are right :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:49 pm
by Jaysen
I’m not as picky. I don’t mind if my last word are “Crap, this was a bad idea”

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:40 pm
by OrangeQuest
Jaysen wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm I bet you can do the fade. Might be worth a few test panels. Just use some scrap just (card stock taped together would do it) and shoot some cheap paint. I give it an hours before you have it done.

:D
I think you should do the scraps to proof to yourself you can do it. Your friends see your work and they seem to know you can. And the gold leaf, you watched your Dad, that's old school utube on how people learn to do stuff now days.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:57 am
by peter-curacao
Can anyone explain to me what kind of measuring units those are in the picture? seems to big to me to be inches :doh:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:02 pm
by Marshall Moser
Looks metric to me.

0.1 looks like 10cm. That would make the exhaust about 4"

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:05 pm
by peter-curacao
O wait now I see the brown thingy at the beginning so it's 10 units in one instead of 9 so I guess it are centimeters indeed :oops:
Thx Marshall
Weird looking measuring device, looks like a scale they use to measure water depth

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:22 pm
by peter-curacao
Engine is to big :( :( so I think it's back to the Harley idea

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:59 am
by deuce_454
im sorry to hear that . its 70 cm wide including exhausts

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:07 pm
by peter-curacao
deuce_454 wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:59 am im sorry to hear that . its 70 cm wide including exhausts
The width was almost perfect for the outer stringers, it's the length but mostly the height that won't fit, you received my emails? 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 pm
by deuce_454
i did, i can do a mockup with the tranny installed and engine angled correctly, that will lower the heatexchanger (hopefully enough) and the carb could protrude (or save a small scoop)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:30 pm
by peter-curacao
Center line glued in place and covered with 2 layers of biax tape, now I have to wait for the decking wood.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:55 pm
by glossieblack
Looking at the last pic above, I have to force myself to remember this is her top, not her bottom. :wink:

Peter, if your reconsidering the Harley route, have you had a look at the RoadsterCycle 1:1 gear box that's designed to go with bike engines?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:10 pm
by peter-curacao
glossieblack wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:55 pm Looking at the last pic above, I have to force myself to remember this is her top, not her bottom. :wink:
I know I know :lol: You either love it or hate it, I don't think there's much room for in between :doh: :D
about the engine and transmission, forgot to thank you about the transmission link earlier, sorry about that and thank you! that looks like a cool and useful transmission for the path I'm thinking to walk, but Deuce gave me a very nice link to an engine also in which I think you as an Aussie makes you smile also (ECO TEC MARINE) I just sent the seller some questions about it, so fingers crossed! 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:54 am
by BarraMan
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:57 am Can anyone explain to me what kind of measuring units those are in the picture? seems to big to me to be inches :doh:
Decimetres!

(Not an opinion - just a suggestion) :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:41 pm
by peter-curacao
Sheerline first fairing compound
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:20 pm
by jacquesmm
There should be a "like" button as on Facebook.
I like it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:47 pm
by Jeff
Nice Peter!! Where are you on engines now? Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:00 pm
by Eric1
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:20 pm There should be a "like" button as on Facebook.
I like it.
Yep, Me too! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:26 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys 8)
Jeff still no engine I try to get in contact with this seller to get measurements and specs https://www.ebay.com/itm/ECO-TEC-MARINE ... rX&vxp=mtr

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:20 am
by Browndog
I’m with Jacques. It is different but I like it. Water will slide off that boat like off a duck’s back. Very streamlined. Looks fast just sitting still.

You sure know how to pick and build cool boats.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:40 pm
by peter-curacao
Since I have to wait for the decking strips, what takes forever even to get an answer if they will cut them, I did mock up some bucket seats today, once glued, glassed and painted they will receive red and black Colombian leather as upholstery.
For some reason left one did't form as easy as the right one, that's why the tyrap
Btw: if they don't give me an answer soon I'm gonna strip the beam into deck planks myself, hate it to be dependent on third parties over here :x

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:56 pm
by Jeff
Peter, the seats look nice and with black leather they will look great!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:09 pm
by narfi
I love those seats.
You designed them or found plans somewhere?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:13 pm
by TomW1
As always Peter great work on the seats. I can't wait to see them in the finished boat.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:22 pm
by OrangeQuest
narfi wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:09 pm I love those seats.
You designed them or found plans somewhere?
I am wondering too?
They do look good. When you pad them will they be higher in the front on the bottom? Something to stop one from sliding forward?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:44 pm
by Jaysen
One piece kerfed ply back or multiple pieces?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:56 pm
by poleposition
Jeff wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:56 pm Peter, the seats look nice and with black leather they will look great!! Jeff
Why am I envisioning Ricardo Montalban / " fine Corinthian leather " phrase now?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:28 am
by glossieblack
Very nice! :D

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:18 am
by cape man
Yes Peter! Yes!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:40 am
by reefie
Great job on the seats Peter! They will look fantastic after upholstering.

I may have missed something, but do the central planks eventually get cut out of the cockpit area?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:38 am
by pee wee
reefie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:40 am Great job on the seats Peter! They will look fantastic after upholstering.

I may have missed something, but do the central planks eventually get cut out of the cockpit area?
Here's the link to the plans: http://boatplans-online.com/plans/BPO_flyer.pdf

I see a big set of hatches for engine access, I was wondering how that was going to go.

Looking good, Peter!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:26 am
by peter-curacao
As always thx for the nice reply's guys 8)
narfi wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:09 pm I love those seats.
You designed them or found plans somewhere?
No plans, I just build them along the way, I start drawing the base with a 40 cm X 40 cm square changed it to 50 cm front and 40 in the back, then measured around the radius corners at the back which gave me a 60 x 60 cm square after trimming the excess at the base because of angling the backrest I ended up with 56 cm high backrest and trimmed it at the top to my liking's (the curves), then I decided to make some triangles for the sides of the seats cause I think that looked better as a straight backrest (look closely and you see them)

At top in between the seats I'm thinking to make a filler piece towards the back frame in same color, which will receive a logo or pin striping sort of what you see in a Vette
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Jaysen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:44 pm One piece kerfed ply back or multiple pieces?
Jayson hopefully explanation above will explain, so it's 4 pieces base, backrest and two side triangles.
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:22 pm hen you pad them will they be higher in the front on the bottom? Something to stop one from sliding forward?
That's the plan, or maybe I form the foam to to my / a butt (same as I did with the little fighting chair I made) it depends on what the upholstery guy says.
reefie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:40 am I may have missed something, but do the central planks eventually get cut out of the cockpit area?
Yes they will be cut out together with the decking planks, reason I glassed and faired them is because I want to try and save the cut out to make it in to a lid for storage, so cockpit will be protected from the elements and vermin during storage and trailering.
pee wee wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:38 am I see a big set of hatches for engine access, I was wondering how that was going to go.
During decking I will glue in four vertical frames supporting the SS piano hinges, I want the hinges to be in between a deck seem, I can measure it but this way is just a safer way to play.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:00 am
by Jaysen
Peter-C, explained perfectly.

Now get back to work!

:P

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:13 pm
by willg
It's always great seeing your creativity on this build. I bet you daydream a lot...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:41 pm
by Rickk
I looked to see if you've answered this already and didn't an answer: Is the piece going from front to aft across the cockpit just a temporary thing to secure the hull? If not that could be a big PITA when underway 8O :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:35 am
by peter-curacao
Rickk wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:41 pm I looked to see if you've answered this already and didn't an answer: Is the piece going from front to aft across the cockpit just a temporary thing to secure the hull? If not that could be a big PITA when underway 8O :D
Hi Rickk I answered that question on previous page 8)
reefie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:40 am I may have missed something, but do the central planks eventually get cut out of the cockpit area?
Yes they will be cut out together with the decking planks, reason I glassed and faired them is because I want to try and save the cut out to make it in to a lid for storage, so cockpit will be protected from the elements and vermin during storage and trailering.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:29 am
by Larry B
Yes they will be cut out together with the decking planks, reason I glassed and faired them is because I want to try and save the cut out to make it in to a lid for storage, so cockpit will be protected from the elements and vermin during storage and trailering.
Now that is really thinking ahead, Will save time and be a perfect fit :) Boat is looking great :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:03 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
I love the seats and the idea with a lid to keep the cockpit safe during transport. Some guy wrote I suppose You daydream a lot. At last a question I can answer: We are all daydreaming a lot whilst watching you building a fantastic boat. We boat builders are a crowd like all others we are thinkers and doers and some with the exceptional talent like yours who do the thinking and doing at the same time and therefore make fantastic progress. Keep up the good work and let us have every second day a picture which we can only dream of producing every second month. With your kerfed seats picture of your previous boat you helped me a lot when I did my bench curves. Seeing your new seats reminded me of that fact.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:11 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you Larry B and Karl

I Put biax tape on all the seams inside and out and also over the kerfs, first thought of covering the seats after this in light woven fabric, but they are already pretty strong now so I'm not sure anymore, what do you guys think?
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:16 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Peter!! Those will be good looking seats!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:19 pm
by jacquesmm
It should be strong enough. I admire how creative you became with shaping plywood.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Jeff
jacquesmm wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:19 pm It should be strong enough. I admire how creative you became with shaping plywood.
Thank You Jacques, so fairing and painting it is :+1: :+1:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:01 pm
by jtdums
Great looking seats Peter. Can't wait to see them finished off. Your work is really inspiring.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:23 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Fantastic job on the seats. They look really period correct in the boat.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:35 am
by topwater
Peter if you are still looking for hardware and windshield brackets checkout tendercraftboats.com.
They have what you are looking for and also the gasket material for the windshield .
They are listed under fastening and fittings . bronze or chrome your choice.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:45 am
by pee wee
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:23 pm Fantastic job on the seats. They look really period correct in the boat.
They remind me of old fighter jet seats, kind of like this:


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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:37 am
by glossieblack
Peter, where are you up to with the motor and trannie? Is the water cooled Harley option still alive?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys

Just thought I check in, no boat building progress though, I'm busy renovating in and around the house, new kitchen and such, I reused the old kitchen top and sink into an outside BBQ grill station and thought I shared some pics of it
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:23 pm Fantastic job on the seats. They look really period correct in the boat.
Great that you noticed that 8)
pee wee wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:45 am They remind me of old fighter jet seats, kind of like this
Without upholstery they do look like it indeed, I didn't make that connection 8)
glossieblack wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:37 am Peter, where are you up to with the motor and trannie? Is the water cooled Harley option still alive?
Yes all options are still open, the aluminum V8 offer went a little dead, before I buy and ship it half over the world I like to see and hear it run, but he doesn't want to invest in it to do that, which I can perfectly understand. 8)

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:19 pm
by Eric1
That looks like a great addition to the pool area! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm
by MrPaul
You've got to be the handiest guy on earth. Nice job!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:05 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Peter!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:43 pm
by Fuzz
MrPaul wrote: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm You've got to be the handiest guy on earth. Nice job!
X2 I am always amazed at the things you come up with and how well they turn out.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:01 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very nice looking and relaxing.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:01 pm
by Bogieman
Very nice!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:43 am
by danieloldhouse
Wow Peter! Is that the deck of you're next boat? :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:50 pm
by Dougster
Good grief, what can't you do? Talk about a recycling, what a cool thing.

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 5:11 am
by glossieblack
How goes it Peter?

Motus USA are making a lightweight V4 crate engine that is starting to be used in boats.

IMO, would be perfect for your Flyer. About 180hp.

To hear its guttural note, check out

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-zc5iQ9rwt[/youtube] or

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpEU4OOI14w[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk2xdYHdyeY[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:02 pm
by TomW1
Peter how are you doing it has been quite a while since you have posted. Did you and Gloria have a good trip to Europe. How about some pictures.

We miss your expertise and wit here. Come on back.

Regards.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:29 pm
by Bogieman
Yes! What Tom said.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:18 am
by JaTro
I guess its a struggle to get suitable engine for this boat....

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:15 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi Guys sorry for the late reply, I've been very busy last couple of months, What did I get myself into this time? :lol:
Well I thought besides beach,sea and sun there ins't a lot to do on this rock for kids and teens so I decided to go look for a fair ride I could buy and place at the beach boulevard over here.
It sent me to Scotland then to The Netherlands back to Curacao and then again back to The Netherlands where I finally found one and could make a deal on.
It 's in good condition but I want to give it another more fitting island theme and do some touch ups here and there when it arrives on the Island, so maybe if appreciated I will post some updates about that and the involved fiberglass work here.

Glossie I"m in contact with the V4 factory, awesome power plant, I will pick up communications with them when ride project ends and is operative.

This is the ride
[youtube]https://youtu.be/e71Qop7h_eQ [/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:23 pm
by Jeff
Peter, that appears to be a really cool ride and I am sure the kids will love it!! Good luck with the new venture!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:42 pm
by narfi
Good fun!
Please do post after you are done themeing it to your local area :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:51 pm
by Eric1
Best of Luck with the ride! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:35 pm
by TomW1
Awesome Peter you always seem to have your hands in something. Congrats and please keep us up to date.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 am
by Fuzz
So you can supply rides to the kids and while they are doing that the big people can pay big bucks for a thrill ride in the Rum Runner :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:12 am
by cape man
I want a ride! I want a ride!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 am
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 12:15 pm Glossie I"m in contact with the V4 factory, awesome power plant, I will pick up communications with them when ride project ends and is operative.

I just love the Motus V4 engine. I spend more time than I should daydreaming of building a cigarette style boat powered by one. Fortunately JM hasn't designed one. :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:06 am
by gonandkarl
Or maybe an Austrian product Rotax 900 ACE (Marine) is used a lot for skidoos.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:46 am
by jacquesmm
glossieblack wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 am

I just love the Motus V4 engine. I spend more time than I should daydreaming of building a cigarette style boat powered by one. Fortunately JM hasn't designed one. :lol:
I would design that but we already have the MG20. It is a deep vee hull with proven performance. What size boat are you thinking about?
BTW, I worked for Cigarette first as a subcontractor to design diesel engine installation and later, as an engineer.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:09 pm
by BarraMan
Haha, it only took one ride in the BIG Barra Boat for Glossie to start dreaming of blasting up the Noosa R in an MG20 hull built in the cigarette boat style! :lol:

Do it Michael!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:02 pm
by peter-curacao
Some fiberglass work, started with a new pixel led sign, used the same technique as I used for building the flyers fin, just squeeze several layers matt biax between plastic sheet and ply
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:44 pm
by Eric1
You have been busy. Keep up the good work. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 11:18 pm
by TomW1
Nice Peter :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:21 am
by Jeff
Peter, Really well done!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:05 pm
by danieloldhouse
Nice Peter! Good to see you back at your creation :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:27 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx guys, Jeff Stephen reminded me about the foot throttle I completely forgot about :oops:
Not sure we will come towards the US in July if not and you don't wanna hold it longer we have to work something out with Fedex or UPS or something.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:27 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:12 am I want a ride! I want a ride!
You know it ! you and your girl ride for free 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:39 pm
by peter-curacao
Never mind

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 am
by Jeff
Peter, no worries on the foot control!! We have it boxed and on a shelf with your name on it!! It will be here when you get here!! I am hoping we will be in our new facility by the time you arrive!! Nice sign!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:26 pm
by peter-curacao
Jeff wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 am Peter, no worries on the foot control!! We have it boxed and on a shelf with your name on it!! It will be here when you get here!! I am hoping we will be in our new facility by the time you arrive!! Nice sign!! Jeff
Cool thank you Jeff 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:22 pm
by Jaysen
Jeff wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 am I am hoping we will be in our new facility by the time you arrive!!
First you hide the grandkid! Now a major business change! What’s going on over there!?!?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:41 am
by peter-curacao
Finished the Led Sign couple weeks ago, not sure it is appreciated but I thought I share it anyway 8) Image
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/TCHbDPGa7lE[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:43 am
by narfi
Very nice!
So bright!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:48 am
by Jaysen
That's some work there. If that doesn't get attention to the new toy you need to find better humans :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:21 pm
by Bogieman
8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:29 pm
by OrangeQuest
Wow! That is awesome!! !!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:41 pm
by Jeff
Well done!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:00 pm
by Eric1
Dang Peter! That looks Great!!!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:13 pm
by TomW1
Peter that is great! Good luck with your endeavor. :D

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:49 am
by peter-curacao
Thx guys, here some more Epoxy works I'm working on, two led signs as replacements for those (ugly) stars on the foreground of the ride, they also serve to hide some big led spotlights behind.
I worked about the same as with the tikipoles, again gave me not the best mold but it's the only material we have here, importing mold material is way to expensive, so lots of repairing and sanding on the end product :cry:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:44 am
by Dougster
You're moving past fine craftsman to artist!

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:59 am
by cape man
Practig!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:24 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:59 amPractig!
Dank U :D
Dougster wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:44 am You're moving past fine craftsman to artist!
Dougster
Nah just enjoying myself 8)
Finished :D
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/kwPbKdwOpc0[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:08 pm
by Eric1
Those look Great Peter!! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:20 pm
by OrangeQuest
WOW! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:24 pm
by TomW1
Peter you are the man! 8) 8) 8) 8) Those are beautiful! 8) 8)

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:43 pm
by cape man
I want a ride!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:37 am
by Jeff
Nice Peter!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:15 am
by Eric1
Peter, Are you running the ride now? Post a video and check in. I miss your posts!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:13 am
by glossieblack
Happy birthday Peter. All the best. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:40 am
by cape man
Fijne verjaardag!

Salu ku bolo!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:44 am
by Jaysen
Wait, what? birthday? Where's my celebratory rum!?!?

Happy birthday!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:29 am
by Jeff
Peter, Happy Birthday!! Hope that ride is doing well for you!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:45 pm
by cape man
Okay, you have had your fun. Now what's going on with the real ride? Ever decide on the engine? Do anything else to it?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:52 am
by Christer
We need an update to the Death Trap build, peter. Chop chop! :)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:27 am
by gonandkarl
Yes Peter now that the new Years celebrations are over and you made a lot of money with your carussel we need to see the splash of your racer this year. How about it ?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:47 am
by glossieblack
Craig, Christer and Karl, it's not at all clear to me that Peter has had lot's of fun recently, or made a pile of money.

In fact my hunch is that he's working his arse off trying to get the ride venture off the ground, against all types of local bureaucratic and financial hurdles.

But regardless, no builder on this forum owes any of us a next build report. If and when they are ready to report, that's great, and the rest of us are enriched. If not, so be it.

I realise that your comments were made in jest, but given that there has been no response ......

Here endeth the sermon. :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:49 am
by jacquesmm
Yes, the hydroplane is on the back burner while Peter focused on a new adventure: setting up a carnival ride on the beach in Curacao. He did a fantastic job and as GB says, encountered some bureaucratic problems but it should be all clear very soon.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:11 am
by glossieblack
Further to JM's update, google Beach Party Curacao to see what Peter is up against as he seeks all approvals.

Do you think he's doing it easy?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:50 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi guys

First of thank you all for the birthday wishes I really appreciate it, second I,m truly sorry for not replying in a decent time and this very very late reply :oops: :oops: It's true I was very busy finishing the ride and taking all the hurdles to get it open in a legal way this was a lot harder as what our government told me before i started this adventure.I was ready and build up before Christmas unfortunately I missed all those good days because of the indecision of different government organizations :x 2 weeks ago the moment was there that 1 of the many organizations give me heads up and told me I could official open with the papers and permits I have, so I decided not to wait on the others and opened up the ride in a commercial way, so far so good knock on wood. 8) The down side, it is low season now so not a real good time to open up and get an idea if I made a good choice starting this venture, but we will see what the future brings us, I still have my other work, so thankfully I won't have to worry to much.

As for the Flyer I first wanna take a vacation in the near future, after that I will pick up on the Flyer again, that is if there's any money left :lol: if not it will take a bit longer, but I will assure you guys that if there is any progress you guys will be the first I will show it too, maybe I will start with the smaller jobs on it what will take less money we will see, again you guys are the first to hear it 8)

For those interested in the ride and the re-theming of it you can see it on the Facebook page below and for those without Facebook I will post a webpage and YouTube link - Likes, Shares and Subscriptions are greatly appreciated :wink: 8)

Feels good to be back and having a small moment to post here 8)

https://www.facebook.com/Beach-Party-Th ... 036970915/
https://www.beachpartytheride.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRMWDu ... wSVUOYU-JQ

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:58 pm
by Jaysen
Hey! He’s back!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Son of a bitch, you’re back. :D
Missed you brother.
About time for a Duval Street crawl. :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:14 pm
by glossieblack
Congratulations on getting Beach Party up and running. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:27 pm
by piperdown
Peter, you don't know me but I'm glad you got your business up and running. I'm not sure how many times I read through your build but it was a lot. I hope the future is bright for you. And, welcome back!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:10 am
by cape man
Good to see a post! Now stop the vacation talk and get on that boat!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:05 am
by wegcagle
Nice to hear from you Peter! Sounds like you’ve got some forward momentum. Fantastic!!

Will

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:31 am
by OrangeQuest
Good luck on the new business venture, hope all goes well.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:14 am
by Jeff
Welcome back Peter!! Congrats on finally getting government approval on your new business!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:43 am
by Bogieman
Welcome back, Peter!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:05 am
by pee wee
Glad to see you back, and looking forward to seeing whatever you do next! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:55 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Peter, good to see you again. Family vacation first but the boat a very very close second. Looking forward to your building return.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:27 pm
by TomW1
Yea Peter congrats! Can't wait for you to restart the Hydroplane buy yes after all you have gone through getting the ride up and running you need a vacation. Some place where you can just lay back and hoist a few and have them treat you like royalty.

Tom

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:32 pm
by danieloldhouse
Welcome back Peter! Glad to hear from you and congrats for your new adventure :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:15 pm
by Fuzz
Glad you are back.............forum was getting too tame :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:47 pm
by cape man
Vacations over dude! Pictures!!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:46 am
by gonandkarl
Hi,
I would say we should not stress the man especially we retired oldies who think live and dream boats and have no worry about earning a living.
Good luck Peter with the Beach Party and we will wait for your boat pictures patiently. Take your time and enjoy every day, no boat builder builds the same as the other but this makes it so exciting to see all the differences and I am sure your hydroplane will turn out a beauty one day as the CS25 did.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:10 am
by peter-curacao
Hi guys,
Again thx for the nice comments again almost a year ago! :oops: time goes to fucking fast! been really busy with work and the beach party, but finally last week found the time but more importantly also some spirit to put time in project dead trap, started with de deck in hardwood strips, SOB fuckers won't go in easy but doing 1 strip a day will get me there 8) Also found some power for her I think, a HD VRod but in parts so definitely need some heads up from you're knuckleheads here before closing this deal, any way here's some pics, my fellow boat porn wankers :lol: :lol:
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PS: uploading a bunch of pics still sucks here again had to do it 1 by one
PS 2: Jeff I think its time to sent that foot throttle if you still have it

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:21 am
by Fuzz
Good to see you back Peter. You may be doing ok but the pup sure looks stressed out :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:51 am
by BarraMan
Yeah, time to get “Superpoo” on the water ! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:28 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Peter,
It is good to see You again into Hydroplane building. I love the picures and cannot wait to see your boat finished. Keep up the good work.
Greetings from Karl

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:39 am
by Dougster
Yes good to see your thread active again and have you back on the forum. It's a cool, unique build that I have enjoyed watching so I'm glad you're continuing.

Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:46 am
by cape man
Keep on building!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:35 pm
by pee wee
Very glad to see this build continue, and glad you got some time for something besides work. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:11 pm
by piperdown
I agree with Fuzz, that pup looks worn out!

Great to have you back Peter and I hope your business venture is going well!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:24 am
by Noles309
Oh that would be a cool motor. I'm sure you probably know it but the Vrod motor was a joint deal with Porsche. It's a shame Harley killed it is a great motor.
Glad to see you back on it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:36 am
by topwater
I was just thinking the same thing , water cooled V rod engine this is going to be fun :!:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:00 am
by Jeff
Good to hear from you!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:39 pm
by Jaysen
Hat damn! The Death Trap is coming back to life!!!

Great to see you back. That deck is going to be one of those touches that set this bullet apart. Can’t wait to see you scare the fish out of the water with this thing!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Hi guys thx for the nice reply's
Today I put in the final strip on the starboard site, still have to start port site, to avoid unnecessary holes I don't want to use any fasteners, so it takes some time gluing the strips down one by one.
Next is sanding it down to a nice curve and trying to sand out the weather on the side of the hull, then filling the seams with black epoxy, sanding it again and putting on fabric from topside to chine.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:59 pm
by OrangeQuest
That is looking good! It will be a dart on the water.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Sweet Peter! I’m happy you’re building again.
Nice work.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:12 pm
by cape man
I so want to ride it!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 am
by Larry B
cape man wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:12 pm I so want to ride it!
I so want to watch you ride it :lol:

Nice work Peter, I'm looking forward to the engine part, I ride Harleys so this will be a interesting way to use a Harley motor.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:50 am
by Jaysen
I want to steal it and see how much trouble I can cause here.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:07 am
by Bogieman
Looking good! Glad you're back

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:05 pm
by peter-curacao
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:50 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:53 am
by cape man
Crazy gorgeous!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:42 am
by pee wee
Looking so good already!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:33 pm
by peter-curacao
Noles309 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:24 am I'm sure you probably know it but the Vrod motor was a joint deal with Porsche.
No I did not know that, Cool 8) So now I'm owning a Harley and a Porsche :lol:
Larry B wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 am I'm looking forward to the engine part, I ride Harleys so this will be a interesting way to use a Harley motor.
Larry I bought this package last week, Engine, Gas Fuel Injector Injectors, Gas Fuel Injector Rail 27662-01, Gas Fuel Injector Wire Wiring Harness, Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe, Front Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe, ECU ECM Computer Control Module 32544-01, Main Wiring Wire Harness Loom.
It all came from the same running 2002 Harley Davidson VROD with low miles, this was not a wrecked or salvaged bike
According to the seller only thing missing in this package is the throttle body, he sold that a week earlier and I have to source it from an other seller.
He told me I should be able to put all this together to a running package, no clue where to start, a shop manual would come in handy :doh: .

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:39 pm
by Jeff
Really going to enjoy seeing this boat fly!!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:01 pm
by Rickk
In the original MC frame it was liquid cooled - any thoughts to how you're going to keep it cool? Ought to be bad ass though - 115hp.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Rickk wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:01 pm In the original MC frame it was liquid cooled - any thoughts to how you're going to keep it cool? Ought to be bad ass though - 115hp.
Gonna try and use a heat exchanger with a separate raw water pump, that's the whole reason I choose this engine, well that and the sound 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:56 pm
by peter-curacao
Start port side

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For those who missed the start 3 years ago and/or are interested, here's a "short" video
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Njv1mf6I91Y[/youtube]

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:35 am
by Larry B
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:33 pm
Larry I bought this package last week, Engine, Gas Fuel Injector Injectors, Gas Fuel Injector Rail 27662-01, Gas Fuel Injector Wire Wiring Harness, Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe, Front Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe, ECU ECM Computer Control Module 32544-01, Main Wiring Wire Harness Loom.
It all came from the same running 2002 Harley Davidson VROD with low miles, this was not a wrecked or salvaged bike
According to the seller only thing missing in this package is the throttle body, he sold that a week earlier and I have to source it from an other seller.
He told me I should be able to put all this together to a running package, no clue where to start, a shop manual would come in handy :doh: .

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Peter, I would get a 2002 V-ROD Official Factory Service Manual. There will be a lot of information that you don't need about the bike itself but it will have lot's of info on the motor and the electrical system. IMO, get only the H-D Oem Manual.
This motor in your boat should be really cool, looking forward to seeing it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:44 am
by peter-curacao
Larry B wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:35 am

Peter, I would get a 2002 V-ROD Official Factory Service Manual.
Yes i already bought the download version of that, manual says 2003 but selling ad said:
2002 to 2006 Harley-Davidson VRSCA V-Rod Full Service Manual Instant Digital Download,
So I hope it will be the right one

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:11 am
by pee wee
Stupendous job on the video, Peter! Really shows the good, the bad and the ugly, (but you can't really see that last one). You're farther along than I thought you were, despite the two helpers you've got that don't seem to do much but lie around. :P

Love the . . more fairing . . more fairing . . . more fairing!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:29 am
by Larry B
Peter, that should work. That is gonna be one cool ass boat :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:15 pm
by peter-curacao
Gluing one strip a day is like watching paint dry 8O So started to construct a breast hook from stainless to keep me busy, I don't think the way I constructed her (the boat) that she needs it in a structural way, but to stay in correct time I did it anyway, besides of that i think it looks cool.
Took me lots of try's so be nice, first 2 fails I forgot I needed to switch polarity's when using Argon,third fail the material was to thin so I was burning holes all over, fourth attempt I went to 2 mm stainless what did the trick, still have to start over sanding the sucker, because after polishing I still see deep sanding marks :help:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:45 am
by glossieblack
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:13 pm Gonna try and use a heat exchanger with a separate raw water pump, that's the whole reason I choose this engine, well that and the sound 8)
Very nice engine choice Peter. Will sound da goods.

Given its drive output geometry, it will be interesting to see how you resolve the transmission, thrust bearing, and drive chain challenges.

Rum Runner is going to be one very interesting boat. Go Peter! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:56 am
by piperdown
No criticism here! What you're doing with the stainless steel is way beyond what I could do :help:

Looking great and I think the breast hook looks killer on there!! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:05 am
by Dougster
Agree on breast hook. I'm amazed at all of your skills.

Shaking his head Dougster

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:18 am
by Jeff
Wow Peter, great work!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:42 pm
by cape man
Sweet!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:02 pm
by Fuzz
That is beautiful! The different skills of folks on this forum just amazes me.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:24 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys 8) appreciate the comment and certainly helping moving forward 8)
Stern "hook" way less complicated so went down way more easy!
Tomorrow last filler strip in and it's of to filling and sanding port side deck :D
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:30 pm
by Jaysen
Damn. That going to be one sexy death trap

:D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:31 pm
by peter-curacao
glossieblack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:45 am it will be interesting to see how you resolve the transmission, thrust bearing, and drive chain challenges.

Rum Runner is going to be one very interesting boat. Go Peter! :D
Plan is to put a damper plate straight on the crankshaft, from the damper plate to a 1:1 velvet drive, from velvet drive to the propeller shaft, I really don't have a clue if this is gonna work, but it's what I have in mind

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Port side, seams taped and filled
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks great! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:32 pm
by cape man
Your skills are impressive!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:44 am
by Jeff
Super nice Peter!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:02 am
by blueflood
Way cool, dude :D 8) ...she is a slick beauty.

Marc

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:46 am
by Eric1
Dang Nice Peter! :D :D :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:48 am
by peter-curacao
Removed the tape which for me is always is quite a satisfying moment, sanded and shaped the port side, now I have to sand out the weather from the past 3 years on the hull sides :cry: stupid should have put a tarp on her 8O
After that finally glass on her :D

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:59 am
by Jaysen
I know I say it often on this thread...

God damn that’s a sexy beast!!!!!

Sanding, glassing, then .... engine?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:59 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you Jayson :D Yes I'm waiting for the engine
Star board glass is on
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:34 pm
by cape man
Oh Hell yes!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:33 pm
by Jaysen
I wonder what the discount window is for flights to curaçao... May need to get an open ticket to see this beast splash!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks great Peter. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:34 am
by cape man
Just watched the video you posted. Wow! You left some of that out. Love the cockpit.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:30 pm
by peter-curacao
Thx Guys, Craig I thought I posted the cockpit.
port side also has fiber now light sanding and epoxy rolling until smooth
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 am
by Jeff
Nice work Peter!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:00 pm
by peter-curacao
First sanding/epoxy round is done, not to bad I think for the first round
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:32 pm
by cape man
Gorgeous Peter!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:00 pm
by Jeff
Fully agree with Cape Man!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:25 am
by Eric1
Looking good!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:50 pm
by Rtorres2411
I just read thru this entire thread. You are doing an amazing job, and very interesting boat.

Ruben

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:37 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys
Second sanding epoxy round 120 grid, also had to fill a little air bubble due to a knot in the wood, almost there I think 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:11 pm
by OrangeQuest
Don't touch it, IT'S STILL WET!

That is mirror smooth!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:31 pm
by Rickk
I might have missed the reason but why did you not grind/sand the black out of the center line and the chines?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Rickk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:31 pm I might have missed the reason but why did you not grind/sand the black out of the center line and the chines?
It's a fairing compound those lines will receive paint

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:27 pm
by cape man
You make me sick! Freaking awesome!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:40 am
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:27 pm You make me sick! Freaking awesome!
Strange shouldn't be possible because she got her shot. :lol:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:13 am
by Jeff
Peter, really well done!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:12 am
by Rickk
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:31 pm
Rickk wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:31 pm I might have missed the reason but why did you not grind/sand the black out of the center line and the chines?
It's a fairing compound those lines will receive paint
Ahhhh, thanks for the clarification.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:05 pm
by peter-curacao
Shot some primer, I'm not happy with the chine line, from above it's fine from the side it's wobbly, I saw this before and was hoping it was kind of an optical illusion because of al the different colored spots and would disappear when solid in color, unfortunately this was wishful thinking and stupid to do so :(
Not sure yet how to resolve this I'm thinking installing a stainless steel trim and fairing towards that, or leave it like it is but that would annoy the hell out of me every time I look at it :?

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:09 pm
by Jaysen
which plane has the wobble, top or side?

I was thinking, if it is only one, can you use a damn on the non wobble then back fill followed by sanding? kind of like your stainless approach but without perm metal install.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:09 pm which plane has the wobble, top or side?

I was thinking, if it is only one, can you use a damn on the non wobble then back fill followed by sanding? kind of like your stainless approach but without perm metal install.
Side and unfortunately more then one but still could work, such unusual lines it will be difficult

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:18 pm
by Fuzz
I see what you are talking about and have no clue how to fix it. Have you run a batten around it to make sure it is really there and how bad it is?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:58 am
by cape man
I'll wait till you pull the tape and masking to comment...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:01 am
by Jeff
Great progress Peter!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:18 am
by tcason
Gold Leaf paint or vinyl tape on tape line to correct?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:16 pm
by peter-curacao
Gorilla tape 2 strips of aluminum and some epoxy filler, overfilled it a little, I think/ hope this took care of it , will see after sanding.
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:34 pm
by glossieblack
Peter, I hope the fix works.

If it doesn't, my understanding of how Shine approached the challenge of marrying a slightly wavy planked deck to the hull's sheer line on the PWC powered Runabout may be necessary.

As I understand it, he glued an approx. 1/8" square timber bead along what was to become the painted edge strip of the planked deck underneath, with the bottom edge of the bead going up and down with the deck. He then planned the bead's top side true to the line he needed a smooth faired transition to the sheer.

Tyring to understand your challenge from the pics is hard, but if your current fix doesn't do the trick, you may need to use Shine's approach along both the deck and hull.

Just a long shot thought .....

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you Glossy
The deck isn't really the problem, what went wrong is trimming the side panels when glued on, after I glued the side panels on I drilled a small hole trough it just at top of all the frames and drew a line between those points, should have checked that with a batten or something.
In the first picture because of the fairing compound you can clearly see the wobble, but I think its straight now see second pic, still some minor repairs but getting there.

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:50 pm
by Jaysen
That's looking sharp. And straight. When you do get rum in it?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:06 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:50 pm That's looking sharp. And straight. When you do get rum in it?
Almost every evening :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:30 pm
by narfi
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:06 pmAlmost every evening :lol: :lol:
hehe

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Okay for the chine en center line? Base in black (with red metallic flake) with pinstriping in in candy apple red? (antique cherry red also metallic) or vise versa? I'm thinking last one and yes gold leaf accents will also follow 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 pm
by Jaysen
I'm afraid to offer an opinion... mostly because if you take my suggestion and it looks like sh!t then I'll never be allowed to decide on a color scheme again...

I like red as the accent.

there... i've doomed it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:21 pm I'm afraid to offer an opinion... mostly because if you take my suggestion and it looks like sh!t then I'll never be allowed to decide on a color scheme again...

I like red as the accent.

there... i've doomed it.
Haha all opinions are welcome,it was my first thought also, but then the black paint is along site the black decking seams, I'm a little skeptic about that, two different black tints next to each other

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:02 pm
by Jaysen
I was thinking that the pin stripes would be boarder in the black. That would separate the blacks.

How were you planning to stripe?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:23 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:02 pm I was thinking that the pin stripes would be boarder in the black. That would separate the blacks.

How were you planning to stripe?
Tribal?(pic) and straight lines
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:41 pm
by Jaysen
That’s sweet. Red and white with red stripes over black would be nice.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:30 am
by glossieblack
Peter, clearly you can fill and fair to get a nice sheer line, as you're doing. I suspect the challenge will then be to fair-merge from this line (which itself will be rounded in due course) back to the bright-finished sides vertically and to the deck horizontally, without longitudinal ripples. If this proves to be the case, Shine's fix may come in handy. All the best. :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:02 pm
by peter-curacao
8) BUMB 8)
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:14 pm Okay for the chine en center line? Base in black (with red metallic flake) with pinstriping in in candy apple red? (antique cherry red also metallic) or vise versa? I'm thinking last one and yes gold leaf accents will also follow 8)
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:45 pm
by cape man
Definitely the second option. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:01 am
by pee wee
I think second option, too. Both would look good, but I think the black would be too strong visually against the nice wood. Maybe photo shop each to get a look?

The red doesn't work so well here, but I think with a contrasting border it would work:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:56 pm
by Rickk
That's another sweet looking boat

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:29 pm
by peter-curacao
Okay went with the antique (cherry) red (sorry Jayson),for now it's okay,due thickness of the coating I'm having some issues with visible primer here and there, I will address and scuff it later just before whole boat receives clear coat, pin striping and other decorations will follow after that.
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And then this came in today so it's time to locate the frames and cut a hole in the deck against them for the motor hatches.
To be honest I'm a little intimidated with the engine and parts, fortunately I'm still waiting for a throttle housing to come in, so I can leave it in it's crate for now :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:56 pm
by piperdown
Beautiful work Peter and that thing is going to fly! :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:12 pm
by Jaysen
I was clearly wrong. That is one gorgeous m-f-ing boat.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:32 pm
by Fuzz
I have been trying to figure out if Peter is building a boat or a work of art :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:30 pm
by Jeff
Again, beautiful work Peter!!!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:42 pm
by lelandtampa
It's almost depressing. Guy lives in paradise and builds bad ass everything. How many home runs can you watch Babe Ruth hit? I for one can watch many more. Peter please keep em coming.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:46 pm
by cape man
I so want to die driving that boat!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:12 pm
by narfi
Beautiful!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:07 pm
by Fuzz
cape man wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:46 pm I so want to die driving that boat!
Not before you come back for another visit :D

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys

And then there was a hole in my boat :lol:
To find back the frames I glued bamboo skewers against them into the epoxy seams, after sanding they were visible, then I just had to tape them of to make the cut'
First made the lengthwise cuts after that I hot glued a cradle i made on the hatch, this because I wasn't sure there was still tension in the hardwood strips which could deform the hatch especially at the ends where the frames stayed in the boat.
When completely cut out I sanded down the underside, then biax on the ends and the corner frame filets to reinforce everything, hopefully this keeps it from deforming, after that i layed some woven for easier fairing later.

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Thx for watching 8) 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:30 pm
by Jaysen
Engine prep?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:59 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:30 pmEngine prep?
Nothing yet, I think I'm missing a lot more, I knew about the throttle housing but that's on it's way, but seems like I'm missing a lot more when I was reading the shop manual yesterday evening :? :roll:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:03 pm
by cape man
Love the bamboo skewers trick!! You're so smart! I assume since you are painting the underside of the cut out you are planning a cover when not in use? Again...brilliant....if that is what you are doing. If not it was my idea. 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:04 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:59 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:30 pmEngine prep?
Nothing yet, I think I'm missing a lot more, I knew about the throttle housing but that's on it's way, but seems like I'm missing a lot more when I was reading the shop manual yesterday evening :? :roll:
Keep in mind some of that may be around the transmission cooler and other "not needed on a boat" things. What do you think is missing? There are a few gear heads here on the forum.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:50 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:03 pm I assume since you are painting the underside of the cut out you are planning a cover when not in use? Again...brilliant....if that is what you are doing. If not it was my idea. 8)
Not sure I understand, this cut out is gonna be the engine hatch, cockpit I still have to cut out and yes that cut out will be a cover for when not in use. :wink:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:55 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:04 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:59 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:30 pmEngine prep?
Nothing yet, I think I'm missing a lot more, I knew about the throttle housing but that's on it's way, but seems like I'm missing a lot more when I was reading the shop manual yesterday evening :? :roll:
Keep in mind some of that may be around the transmission cooler and other "not needed on a boat" things. What do you think is missing? There are a few gear heads here on the forum.
for now I'm missing the both spark plug connectors and coils, also there are a lot of safety features like for instance a crank position sensor, not sure it will work/start without things like that connected

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:00 pm
by Jaysen
Yeah. You need all those. Should be available from any auto parts store. You may have to order though.

Coils may be available based on part spec but that’s iffy.
Plug wires should be same length and gauge. Brand should not matter.
CPS is required. Engine no go without it.

Those shouldn’t be too bad though.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Damn, you are killing it :D
Beautiful work.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:50 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:00 pm Yeah. You need all those. Should be available from any auto parts store. You may have to order though.

Coils may be available based on part spec but that’s iffy.
Plug wires should be same length and gauge. Brand should not matter.
CPS is required. Engine no go without it.

Those shouldn’t be too bad though.
I have the ECM so no worries there
spark plug connectors should be ordered also, plugs lay very I mean very deep into the cylinderheads
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:02 pm
by cape man
Ouch! That hurt my eyes!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:34 pm
by Jaysen
It’s just a simple wiring diagram.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:01 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:34 pm It’s just a simple wiring diagram.
Yes it is, but from this could you tel me if it works/start without for instance the crank position sensor? (bottom left)
Does it work without all those elements? should I bypass all those connectors? diagram is indeed simple but......

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:08 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:01 pm
Jaysen wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:34 pm It’s just a simple wiring diagram.
Yes it is, but from this could you tel me if it works/start without for instance the crank position sensor? (bottom left)
Does it work without all those elements? should I bypass all those connectors? diagram is indeed simple but......
Crank position must be in place. Do not bypass.

My ‘75 MG diagram is simple. No computer. Points and distributor. Just good old mechanical engine.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:24 pm
by Jaysen
Let me look at this a bit more. The trick will be the electronic controls. Lots to work around.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:41 pm
by Jeff
Way Too Crazy for me Peter, Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:12 am
by OrangeQuest
Looks very straight forward. Uses the crank sensor to know where TDC is at, so that is needed so the ECU knows when to fire the injectors and plugs.
You need the MAP sensor, Inlet air temp sensor, the eng. coolant temp sensor, (EDIT: it may fire up without the temp sensors but will run like poop) Throttle position sensor and possibly the neutral sw. and Brake light sw.
And the oil pressure sw.

What sucks is the eng control harness is mixed with all the other things like lights. You also will need the fuel pump relay and cooling fan relay. There is also a ECU power relay that is needed.

I think that will get it to fire up.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:02 am
by cape man
Gotta be a motor head on that rock that would love to help build it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:29 am
by Jaysen
OQ, I wonder if if wouldn't be easier for Peter to build a harness from a raw connecter. I've done that for Chevy ECU but had the pin out diagram in hand from other folks. Might that be the option here?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:58 am
by OrangeQuest
Jaysen wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:29 am OQ, I wonder if if wouldn't be easier for Peter to build a harness from a raw connecter. I've done that for Chevy ECU but had the pin out diagram in hand from other folks. Might that be the option here?
I was noting that the diagram share the engine harness routing with the chassis wiring, would be easier if it just showed the engine controls, only. But it does look like the main harness shares the same harness too. Maybe the turn signal module and the ECU are mounted close to each other. In that case cut the harness open and remove all the extra wires in the harness, leaving the ground wire they both share. That would be the poor man's way of doing it and you do not have to try and open up all the connectors or crossing any of the wires.

I don't know anything about motorcycle engine controls but looks a lot like the same set up Fords were using when they first started going electronic engine controls, after duraspark.


First step to take would be to find all the NEEDED sensors and make sure they are there and plugged in. The MAP sensor maybe remote mounted, not on the engine, so it maybe missing and the same with the inlet air temp sensor.

Make sure that the exciter ring, pulley or what ever is in the crank for the crank sensor to read. Also with it using a MAP sensor, the power relay needs to keep the ECU powered up during cranking. Should be manifold vacuum hose running to the MAP sensor but with the high intake/exhaust valve overlap there will not be much vacuum at idle. Also the Idle control valve needs to be connected for it to idle and accel from idle correctly.

Also note the purge valve connector for CA domestic only, it uses a dummy connector to trick the ECU into think it is there. I would think that is for self testing. Keeping the CHECK ENGINE light from coming on.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:18 am
by Jaysen
All the new motors are like this. We literally went to pick and pull, cut a harness that was damaged at about 6" from the ECU and wired from there. Unneeded were trimmed and capped. Needed joined to another block and new harness made. I don't have a solid answer for peter on the "how" for him, but I sure he will need to do something simpler. Maybe with just opening the existing harness and removing unneeded as you suggest.

On the surface, if it does not directly connect to the engine or exhaust you can "kill it". For your application you will need to spoof the nuetral safety and brake as those are ignition interrupt. As OQ pointed out you will need to use ECU power that is not on the ignition relay (separate switch from battery). You will need fuel and air temp separate from battery as well (recommend separate from ECU).

It looks like the tac and throttle will be fun. Notice there is not a tac line to the instrument cluster... just a "data bus". You may need OBD2 reader for tac. Looking at "right hand control" no throttle line either. I'm hoping its a mechanical link to the engine throttle body.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:28 am
by peter-curacao
It has a separate Gas Fuel Injector Wire Wiring Harness, and this is what I also have:
  • Gas Fuel Injector Injectors,
  • Gas Fuel Injector Rail 27662-01, ,
  • Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe,
  • Front Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe,
  • ECU ECM Computer Control Module 32544-01,
  • Main Wiring Wire Harness Loom
As mentioned I'm still waiting for the throttle housing

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:03 am
by OrangeQuest
peter-curacao wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:28 am It has a separate Gas Fuel Injector Wire Wiring Harness, and this is what I also have:
  • Gas Fuel Injector Injectors,
  • Gas Fuel Injector Rail 27662-01, ,
  • Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe,
  • Front Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe,
  • ECU ECM Computer Control Module 32544-01,
  • Main Wiring Wire Harness Loom
As mentioned I'm still waiting for the throttle housing
Can you identify on the motor the sensors I mentioned? The throttle housing should have the throttle position sensor on it (maybe the inlet air temp sensor too) and you should have/need a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP sensor). That would not be on the motor. The engine coolant sensor is needed so the ECU can adjust fuel and timing for a cold engine and then ECU turns the cooling fans on and off as needed. That sensor should be on the engine side of the thermostat.

The crank sensor, oil pressure sw and the coolant sensor hopefully is screwed into the block or bolted to it.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:34 pm
by peter-curacao
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:43 pm
by Jaysen
That looks like it might be a CPS coming out of the crank cover there...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:58 pm
by peter-curacao
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:03 am Can you identify on the motor the sensors I mentioned? The throttle housing should have the throttle position sensor on it (maybe the inlet air temp sensor too) and you should have/need a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP sensor). That would not be on the motor. The engine coolant sensor is needed so the ECU can adjust fuel and timing for a cold engine and then ECU turns the cooling fans on and off as needed. That sensor should be on the engine side of the thermostat.

The crank sensor, oil pressure sw and the coolant sensor hopefully is screwed into the block or bolted to it.
This is what I got from the manual
Throttle position sensor---> Throttle position sensor (TP)--->front of throttle body
Inlet air temp sensor---> Intake air temperature sensor (IAT) upper airbox
Crank position sensor ---> crank position sensor (CKP) ---> under left trim cover
Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP sensor)---> manifold air pressure sensor (MAP) ---> front intake passage
The engine coolant sensor ---> engine coolant sensor (ECT) ---> water pump housing
Idle control valve ---> idle air control (IAC) ---> Below air cleaner assembly

Took it out of the crate and took some pictures and close ups
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Above starter cooled oil inlet?
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Positive starter?
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Crank position sensor?
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vehicle speed sensor?
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Voltage regulator (to stator)?
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:59 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:43 pm That looks like it might be a CPS coming out of the crank cover there...
I think it is the one in the back

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:15 pm
by OrangeQuest
I do not know anything about motorcycle engines but what you pointed out and named seems to be correct. The only one questionable would be the speed sensor but it has the correct number of wires compared to your wiring diagrams.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:20 pm
by MikeyGnz
Loving this build, that is one sexy hull. I have been showing the photos to some of the woodworkers at the office and suggesting a team building project.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:52 pm
by peter-curacao
Change of plans, decided to trim down the frames under the motor hatches by half en fill them with closed cell foam to make them look a little more solid, this way they should close like a German car (heavy thump!) after trimming the foam I spread some epoxy/fumed silica mix, over that some woven, last pic second fairing layer
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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Awesome, love the motor. :D
Did someone mention socks?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:29 pm Awesome, love the motor. :D
Did someone mention socks?
Yes this prove it you are a real Yank, socks in flip flops!:lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:55 pm
by Aripeka Angler
:lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:14 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:48 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:29 pm Awesome, love the motor. :D
Did someone mention socks?
Yes this prove it you are a real Yank, socks in flip flops!:lol: :lol:
I think the dock reference is not about “with flip flops) but referring to conversion between you and Cracker Larry where a sick and lube where mentioned as required due to the quality of a build. I was planning to refer to the conversation as well.

Please don’t make me co search for it ....

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
If you find the original sock conversation, you are one hell of a super sleuth. :lol:
That one is right up there with the Cracker/Capeman/AA/Peter Duval street fall out of the pickup story. :lol:
I’m almost but not quite getting too old for that shit...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:55 pm
by Jaysen
Looks like someone edited some posts. But I think it was ...

https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.ph ... er#p411453

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Glad we're back up and running so we can see Peter’s progress.
Carry on...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:17 pm
by peter-curacao
Holey fuck :lol: :lol: please don't remember everything I "say"/write here on this forum! 9 out of 10 times it's not true you know! well except if I'm telling about the size of my Johnson, that of course is as serious as a heart attack :lol: :P

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:43 pm
by peter-curacao
lelandtampa wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:42 pm It's almost depressing. Guy lives in paradise and builds bad ass everything. How many home runs can you watch Babe Ruth hit? I for one can watch many more. Peter please keep em coming.
Sorry forgot to tell you that your post made me laugh so hard several times that I
spilled my coffee in the morning and my rum at night when reading it,but don't forget my friend the grass is always greener at the other side (unless you trained your dog to piss on the neighbors lawn) :lol: ,anyway thx for the comment it made me laugh 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:17 pm Holey fuck :lol: :lol: please don't remember everything I "say"/write here on this forum! 9 out of 10 times it's not true you know! well except if I'm telling about the size of my Johnson, that of course is as serious as a heart attack :lol: :P
I only remember the important things... like how to clean those socks.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
by cape man
Who was driving in Key West?

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:05 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm Who was driving in Key West?
We all don't know!! 8)

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:06 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
I only remember the important things... like how to clean those socks.
Before you mom finds them? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:04 pm
by peter-curacao
I cut out the cockpit today, had to measure and tape it several times before I it was to my liking, I probably have to ditch the bucket seats I made or trim them significantly, I sat in it and it's not very roomy but surely it's fun, like sitting in a classic Vette with a huge front end :lol: :lol:

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Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:11 pm
by Fuzz
If you did not anything else that thing would still be a work of art!
You my friend have a serious amount of talent.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:29 pm
by cape man
You shame us all.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:34 pm
by Jaysen
And it's time to do laundry.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:50 pm
by BarraMan
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I'm disappointed - I assumed you would build the motor from scratch! :doh:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:34 pm And it's time to do laundry.
Yeah :lol:
Peter, beautiful work!!

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:35 pm
by peter-curacao
Thank you guys 8) out of socks Jayson? :lol: :lol:

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:55 am
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:35 pm Thank you guys 8) out of socks Jayson? :lol: :lol:
After looking at pics of this build... I’m not the only one.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:51 am
by Jeff
Beautiful work Peter!!! Jeff

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Peter, was thinking about you today when I picked up this shot glass. No need to explain. :wink:

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Pardon my dirty finger, I’ve been staining hundreds of 4x8 panels...

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:14 pm
by gtcoupe
AA, i got a couple of those a few months ago, never did figure out who sent them.

Re: Bruce Crandall Flyer Hydroplane

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:47 pm
by wegcagle
Youzers! I've been gone too long, but holy sh!+ this thing is beautiful! Miss you amigo. Need some cuba libres again :D

Will