Jaysen's Helms 24

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My big question about this whole deal is does this mean I got to be nice to you now :doh:

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That is funny that you picked up on the salt in "low salt" food in the hospital. That means you really have cut back on you salt intake and can taste the salt in food again. And others around you think you are crazy that you taste salt when they do not. Some foods taste a lot different without all the salt huh?

When I was exercising to strengthen what is left of my heart, it was how fast I would get back down to my resting heart rate (RHR) that mattered the most. On my heart rate monitor I could set a max limit and a lower limit alarm. If I needed/wanted a rest. I would stop till my lower limit alarm would sound and get back on the bike. It didn't take to long that that lower limit alarm would sound even if I slowed down to much. Then I started riding on the mountain bike trails in my area, talk about reaching your max limit extremely fast. 8O I don't remember riding a bike being so scary!
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Fuzz wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 10:56 pm My big question about this whole deal is does this mean I got to be nice to you now :doh:
I don’t think so. I mean if you want to no one will stop you. But they may be disappointed.

OQ, yeah. I tend to not season much. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll spice things up, but I don’t like to hide the flavor the good lord put into things.

As to heart rate recovery, from 170-120 in about 45 seconds PRIOR to the event. That’s kind of the confusing part for me. I’ve been running for nearly a decade and the external indicators where “fat but not going to die”. Clearly I was wrong on that.

On positive news, Mary (the dog) and I just returned from a 1/2mi walk around the neighborhood. Feel fine. Hopefully this trend will continue.
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Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Good news Jaysen!!! Stay the course and get well!!! Jeff

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It's been a bit.

Much to the wife's dismay the ducks (they quack --> doctors) have said "eh... you're doomed anyway so get back to living." Bending sails on this neglected girl next week. Calling the diver to scrub ber posterior all smooth and sexy after I post this. If all goes "well" y'all may be tortured with sailing and repair photos in the coming weeks.

In the meantime, I've FINALLY figured out what is going wrong with my 9.9 mercury 2-stroke motor... the vacuum-driven fuel pump doesn't suck hard enough (unlike the Dr on my wallet) to keep the carb bowl full when connected to my internal fuel tank. It will manage 1.5' head but I have 2.8'. My plan is to put a low pressure, pressure driven, electric fuel pump at the tank side to ensure the bowl is always full. If I do this in the "old car" ('75 MG) with great success. Plan is to have a cockpit switch that is driven off the A/B bus to prevent unattended leaks from a pressurized system. I have plenty of old "engine harness" that will be recycled to make it happen. Anyone see any problems with this plan?
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Currently working on making a Helms 24 our coastal cruiser.
“Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens” wrote:Eat a live frog first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Well, if the fuel pump 'pushes' fuel into a gravity system, the concern would be what does it do afa regular flow.

And the answer is probably to push excess fuel into the carb bowl, raise the float and keep it closed.? Of course, the float is supposed to negate all that, but then how is the float not always up if pressure fills the bowl.

I don't think it will work. Sorry. I'd be modifying the home of the fuel tank. I've seen them on the back of a few boats even.

As a side note, I have a 18hp vanguard mower engine that leaks gas down into the cylinders...probably float stuck down...

Maybe my logic is wrong, but I foresee a new engine in your future.

Or, a different engine with a tank on it...sorry
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The float could be pushed off seat and over fill the bowl and may need a float level adjustment. But if the float can't float enough to close the needle and seat then it will flood easily. If you could put a return back to the tank so the motor pump only gets what it needs and nothing more. The return side would just need a restriction to keep fuel to the motor without much pressure. The system would stay pressurized after the switch is turn off due to the check valves in the motor pump, so just turning power off would not de-pressurize the system.

I am with Fallguy, get the tank higher to use the motor pump, safer and less headaches down the road. Even if it means storing the fuel tank in another place when not in use and then moving it to higher ground when needed.
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cross poseted with OQ...

There really is only one spot for the tank. I'd have to go to a standard tank laying in the cockpit floor to make the motor "work as designed". The solution is the same one us old car people have to use when we move to e15 based fuel lines... positive pressure in the system. It's basically the same thing you do with a primer bulb. All the pump will do is ensure there is always pressure to the float (like if you were constantly squeezing the bulb like I have to do to get back on the dock)

pump pulls from tank (neg pressure)
pump pushes to carb (pos pressure)
float closes bowl input (pos pressure)
Bowl feeds jet (neg pressure)
Jet feeds cylinder (neg pressure)

A $30 fuel pump is much closer to the budget than a $4k 4smoke motor. Especially since we are still in the "do we really want to keep this boat" stage with the Boss. I do have a motor in mind but it actually needs a pump by design. At least that's what the tech told me. Granted that's and EFI motor so....

Also, on motor tanks tend to be problematic. Biggest issues are the fuel selectors corroding as well as water getting in them when you refill off the dock (which will happen given that I'm pushing 4k displacement with a larger wind profile). I have seen one persons that replumbed the "external tank" input to fill the on-motor tank via a pump from the in-hull tank. Not sure I'd want to invalidate the warranty on a brand new motor....
My already completed 'Lil Bit'. A Martens Goosen V12 set up to sail me to the fishing holes.
Currently working on making a Helms 24 our coastal cruiser.
“Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens” wrote:Eat a live frog first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.
Jaysen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm I tried to say something but God thought I was wrong and filled my mouth with saltwater. I kept my pie hole shut after that.

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Re: Jaysen's Helms 24

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Do you have room for a small 1-2ish?? Gal tank at the proper level? Then use a float in it to control your electric pump filling it and your engine can pump easily from it?

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