Page 1 of 1
1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:30 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
After waiting for the right time (probably never) and the right boat (none exist), I stumbled upon a good deal on a 1986 19' Atlantic well boat, double wide. Sharper, V-entry that comes flatter astern. Floor is shot and stringers need some attention, however I have yet to put her under the knife so until then I will speculate and assume it's a full rebuild. It is currently configured as a forward console with an in floor fish box.
My plans are:
Make a flat floor, and create storage space in previous fish hold
Run a PVC rigging tube under sole to the engine
Relocate dual batteries to under bow cap/console
External 12 gal fuel tank on deck (boat came with brand new tank)
New console or rebuild current console configuration
Roll paint interior with gray paint, touch up exterior (in good shape), bottom paint black chine down
Power will be a 115 Yamaha four stroke. Previously was rigged with 115 Suzuki and performed well.
For build components, I plan to use West Systems epoxy and 1708 glass. I am familiar working with wood glass and composites but am no means an expert and am looking forward to learning the hard way. I am an owner/operator charter captain who fishes full time, as well as commercially but have marked off time after bluefin tuna fishing full-time to rebuild this boat. This will remain a work boat and will be used for commercial fishing as well as duck hunting.
I have joined this forum to update the progress of the build but also looking for guidance for many things such as which hardener (slow vs fast) and size ply to use for sole and stringers, as well as many other questions I'm sure I haven't thought of. I'll be working in a shop in Morehead City and am excited to see how many builds here are from this area and nearby.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:43 pm
by fallguy1000
Good luck. We'll do what we can to help.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:06 pm
by TomW1
Nice looking boat. Lots of help from here. Just did a look at what your Yamaha 115 and the 12 gallon tank would do together. At a cruise of 25mph or so you will only get 3.5 - 4 hours use with that size tank. Of course I don't know what you intend to use her for, but I would want a larger tank with a 115HP motor. The numbers I got are from the Yamaha web site and there boat tests of there 115HP on various single hull boats around 18-20'.
Regards, Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:25 am
by fallguy1000
Good catch Tom. That tank is about 20% of what is really needed. 60 gallons is a better minimum. When you get the sole off, you'll get a better idea of what will work.
I think Tom might have been a bit generous. When you open the 115 up some; not going to be getting 7-8mpg. The wot mileage will be waayy less.
Can you give him an idea of mileage at 90% of throttle Tom?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:00 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Thanks for that note on the fuel capacity. With a 115 on this boat it will be very efficient given its low dead rise and lightweight. However after adding weight from fishing and hunting gear, that will definitely decrease. Plus having the tank under the deck will serve me much better in ways of keeping deck clear and open
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:16 am
by TomW1
My numbers up above gave a comfortable cruise in the mid 20's as I noted with rpm's of 3500 - 4000. At high speed in the upper 30's you will get only get 8 - 9 gph, That means if you run out to the fishing grounds at full speed you won't make it back. Most of the boats built here that have a 115HP motor have a 30 - 40 gallon gas tank. If you do not want that big that large of one I would go no smaller than 24 gallons.
Well I hope that gives some food for thought.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:09 am
by boguesounder
Hi! I know your waters well and grew up on a similar hull, though it was a Kencraft. My grandfather, long gone, was an old school salt and I was his mate. We fished primarily for mullet about once a week for the table. That well boat was the perfect tool for the netting in the skinny waters of Bogue Sound. Great memories. I occasionally see a well boat for sale for cheap and have the notion of restoring one. May do it one day. Cool project you have. I will watch with excitement and a touch of nostalgia! Thanks for sharing.
On a side note...there are two Casper's skiff in my fam also.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:58 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
That is definitely what she was built for! I commercial and charter fish for snapper/grouper primarily on my other boat, but will however use this one much like you did for netting hardheads occasionally. Will also probably make an eye to tow a small shrimp net with it as well. It is only right as that is what she was built for almost 30 years ago!
Progress on the boat is slow as I am accumulating supplies and more pieces of the puzzle. I found a good deal on a 2005 F115TLR engine for the boat with the proper 20” shaft length. I’ll be spending the rest of this year rebuilding and cleaning up the motor before cutting my way into the Atlantic starting sometime in February. Just made a nice repair stand to make it easy to wheel the motor around in the shop.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:13 pm
by boguesounder
Great outboard - hope you have it up and running with ease. Nice looking shop - way neater than mine!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:47 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Still in the engine rebuild phase. Probably should be wrapped up with it before Christmas as long as I can get the parts in… Got another boat with leaking tank coming in for quick tear up of the sole and repairs. Hopefully that will be buttoned up after Christmas thru mid-January. Still tentatively planning on cutting into Atlantic beginning of February.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:00 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Quick update: Engine is back together and running. I found a 37 gallon poly tank that dimensions should fit nicely under the deck and provide ample fuel for my intended use for the boat.
Currently I am also gathering supplies such as 1/2” fir for decks, 1708 glass, 1.5oz CSM, cabosil, ordering west systems and fast hardener, etc etc etc. if anyone has any of this located in Eastern NC and wants to part ways with any supplies let me know!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:29 pm
by boguesounder
Man, I'm impressed with your motor rebuild skills. Nice work. What all did you have to repair on it?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:04 pm
by VT_Jeff
Great project!
Possibly dumb question: I was killing time looking at a boat like that in Chesapeake bay and wondering what the theory was with the motor mounted where/how it is. I think the Simmons Sea Skiff(Wooden Boat did a series on it) has a similar concept and I had the same question.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:52 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
boguesounder wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:29 pm
Man, I'm impressed with your motor rebuild skills. Nice work. What all did you have to repair on it?
From what I could tell, these boys ran this motor hard and didnt take care of it. Thermostat was salted closed and top ends of 2 cylinders burnt out of it. Whole engine caked in carbon, fuel and burnt oil because of it Hooked up my YDS computer and saw engine codes saved from 80 hours previously of overheating and other trouble codes.
I found some good replacement pistons, honed the cylinder bores smooth, cleaned cylinder head and valves (nasty) and got all the salt flushed from the motor. 5 cans of brakecleen, and a few parts degreaser cans later… It was pretty gross inside but nothing that couldnt been undone (nowhere corroded through metal). Only 800 hours on the engine.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
VT_Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:04 pm
Great project!
Possibly dumb question: I was killing time looking at a boat like that in Chesapeake bay and wondering what the theory was with the motor mounted where/how it is. I think the Simmons Sea Skiff(Wooden Boat did a series on it) has a similar concept and I had the same question.
So a “well boat” as they are commonly referred to here serves a few purposes. Mainly, it was designed to have a working flat transom unobstructed by an outboard to haul gillnets, shrimp nets or other runaround type nets off of her stern. What also is achieved is a more balanced boat, with an ability to run more shallow and get up on plane in shallower water than if the engine hung off the stern of the boat. Downsides are that the turning radius can be impacted, depending on the width of your outboard’s mid section. You can also chop up the inside of your well if you arent careful turning your wheel while trimmed up.
A close friend of mine has a 19’ Southern Skimmer that was built from the factory in the 90’s with a custom well. Ever since fishing and hunting from that boat, I had the itch to own one for myself.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:32 pm
by fallguy1000
YDS computer?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:59 pm
by Fuzz
Putting the motor in a well helps to protect it if the boat happens to get bumped into a lot. I have seen skiffs with the motor all the way up in the bow if they were used to drag heavy nets around. That way you can still steer while dragging a heavy load.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:44 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:59 pm
Putting the motor in a well helps to protect it if the boat happens to get bumped into a lot. I have seen skiffs with the motor all the way up in the bow if they were used to drag heavy nets around. That way you can still steer while dragging a heavy load.
That’s it! And “YDS” stands for Yamaha Diagnosis Software. Plugs into the engine and gives a readout of all the systems stationary and while engine is running.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:14 am
by fallguy1000
Can anyone get yds?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:50 pm
by VT_Jeff
Got it, thanks! Makes perfect sense!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:22 am
by boguesounder
Fine work on that motor rebuild. I'm impressed man, that is a serious tear down. My brother needs his VST and injectors serviced but I'm a little nervous about doing the VST for him.
Jeff - as GoingBogueOutdoors said the well boat was used mostly be net fisherman and guys hauling gear that needed to be offloaded while under power. You can set the net by dropping one person or anchor holding net and then motor the boat to wherever else you want to end your net strike. Good memories...when I was a kid my grandfather would drop me off on shore and do a half circle and end up on the shoreline away from me for mullet. Good times...I miss him - would be so nice to be relive one of those days again.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:51 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Yamaha did not put the VST tank in a friendly spot on these motors, but the injectors are simple. I created a way to clean mine by forcing seafoam thru them in a tube with low compressed air, then activating the injector by tapping 12v power to the injector. After a few “touches”, you’ll notice the injector spray pattern to improve.
I still see plenty of workboats here with runaround nets or gillnets in use. We’ll see how politics play into their fate in our near future here in North Carolina. I am a full time charter/commercial fisherman. This boat will be used what it was built for as well as many other tasks, wouldnt mind a 16’ shrimp trawl off her stern during the proper time of year
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:55 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Let me overview also the current state as I am eyeing my opening cuts. The crowd who owned before me decided that a temporary fix for the decks are:
1. 1/2” non treated plywood laid on top of the existing soft deck
2. Lay down some chopped mat with zero preparation on the hull sides for a proper bond
3. Lay on the boat resin heavy
Definitely made do… but I hope to do better!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:44 pm
by fallguy1000
I can run a shrimp net in Texas. Have you run one?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:46 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
I have. I will tow a 16’ net using 30”x15” boards with this boat. Here’s a video of the process off the stern of a skiff. You can see why the well boat will be advantageous at this activity:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GAib2BwtGUI
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:40 am
by fallguy1000
I want to do this off the Skoota. I have 10' between the engines. Do you use a tickle chain?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:40 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Under the knife. Not a bad first afternoon of cutting. Still grinding and sanding to come but had to take advantage of a nice afternoon.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:55 pm
by Fuzz
Now you have gone and done it
A full on commitment has been made and now you know for sure what you are looking at. A little cutting and a couple grinding sessions and things will look a lot better.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:08 pm
by Jeff
X2!!! Have fun!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:00 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:55 pm
Now you have gone and done it
A full on commitment has been made and now you know for sure what you are looking at. A little cutting and a couple grinding sessions and things will look a lot better.
Absolutely, definitely full swing of things now. Under the forward bulkhead in front of the previous in floor fish hold, about 5 gallons of water had been trapped and soaked into the original foam. Probably 50 pounds worth of water/material.
This coming week, as I continue to cut and grind, I’ll assess the stringers. You can see the poor efforts of the first “refit” with the raw 2x10 bulkheads and 2x6 parallels on the stringers. I’m afraid that although the stringers feel solid, these rudimentary hackjob installs has allowed for water intrusion based on the poor screwing of things into the stringers.
Regardless of the stringers, I am planning on a few bulkheads throughout the hull as well as a couple around the well to help reinforce the hull. 3/4” is what looks to have been used and is what I’ll be going back with.
Saw that my West Marine Pro pricing on WestSystems 105 was pretty good, so picked up two of their 4.3 gallon epoxy resin and one 205 Fast hardener part 2
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:05 pm
by TomW1
Are the stringers foam? If so they should be okay. Take a probe and stick it in several places along the stringers, it should not penetrate very far.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:07 pm
by Fuzz
If you do need to cut out the stringers there are a couple things that will speed it up. A cut off wheel on a 4.5 inch grinder will go through glass like butter. It is no good on wood but it is hell on glass. Also 16-24 grit ZEC disks on the grinder will really move some glass. Needless to say use all PPE as you will look like a snowman.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:08 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Thanks for the insight! Definitely got the grinder ready for cutting and glass removal time. Im assuming the interior and cap can be sanded with my porter cable random orbital sander with 6” hook and loop. Thinking maybe 60 or 80 grit will work away at it to expose the glass.
Busy today working for my part-time job at Sea Tow doing a few patches on the deck of one of our 26’ Twin Vees. Hard to believe these came from the factory with raw wood on the bottom side of the sole.
Made sure to start the motor up on the hose as it has sat for a couple weeks in the shop as well. First crank! I’m sure proud of that rebuild.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:51 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Had a couple hours of time this afternoon so kept on cutting. Decided to get rid of the old battery boxes midship (was a bench seat). Neither was the same depth and were in poor shape. Ordered a 16 and 24 zec disk for my 7” rotary Makita per Fuzz’s recommendation. Looking forward to them showing up.
Planning on taking care of the bottom paint later this week since the boat is light but still structural with stringers in tact. They will definitely need replacing as they are 3/4” wood and definitely show signs of rot and are delaminating.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:45 pm
by Fuzz
Make sure the hull is well supported before cutting the stringers out. It is amazing how floppy the hull gets when the stringers are gone. And when installing the new ones think about how you will tack them in. just your body weight will flex the hull a bunch.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:02 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:45 pm
Make sure the hull is well supported before cutting the stringers out. It is amazing how floppy the hull gets when the stringers are gone. And when installing the new ones think about how you will tack them in. just your body weight will flex the hull a bunch.
Thanks for the heads up, definitely gonna work on having a scaffolding over the boat in the shop to work off of
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:12 pm
by fallguy1000
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:02 pm
Fuzz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:45 pm
Make sure the hull is well supported before cutting the stringers out. It is amazing how floppy the hull gets when the stringers are gone. And when installing the new ones think about how you will tack them in. just your body weight will flex the hull a bunch.
Thanks for the heads up, definitely gonna work on having a scaffolding over the boat in the shop to work off of
Fuzz means boat must be well cradled.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:41 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Was able to get a few hours today to bottom paint the boat. Made sense to go ahead and do that while it is light but still structural (stringers/bulkheads still in it).
Sanded with 80-grit, wiped down with Acetone, and gave it two coats of Interlux Bottomkote NT. Boat is lift/trailer kept but the bottom was kind of ugly, and had a few spots I hit with thickened epoxy earlier in the week.
Fuzz my Zec disks came in today. Excited to get them cutting and grinding. Any recommendations for grinder wheels to cut thru fiberglass? Will just tradition cutoff wheels work well?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:17 pm
by Fuzz
I just ordered some cheap, thin cut off disks from Amazon. Higher quality ones will last longer but I think any will work. Thin is better so you cut less glass. Works best on straight glass and not so good for wood. Needless to say use good PPE a disk blowing up might get real ugly. I used the cut off disks to remove stringers and hull to deck joints in the past couple months and it worked better than anything else I have ever tried. After you use the ZEC disks let us know what you think.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:34 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Peeled the tape on the bottom paint and happy with how it turned out. Had about 30 minutes to grind on it today, the 24 grit ZEC disk did an excellent job of shaving away at the leading edges of the old battery box. Hopefully will get some time on it later this week
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:40 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got in 100 yards of 12oz. biax tape (6”) for my stringers this week. Gonna finish grinding and prepping the boat next week. Took care of a few other small projects as well, including cleaning the below deck Moeller tank. Pressure washed, flushed with seafoam, and installed a new sending unit and tube. It test fit perfectly in the boat as well, so will be able to trace and rebuild the stringers exactly as they were.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:34 pm
by fallguy1000
Be smart to pressure test that tank. Maybe 2 pound pressure.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:29 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:34 pm
Be smart to pressure test that tank. Maybe 2 pound pressure.
Absolutely. Gonna go with 3lbs and check seals around new sending unit with soapy water
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:16 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got a hour or two today to continue grinding. The ZEC disk on my makita rotary too is perfect getting the old paint/ glass back smooth. Gonns get my oscillating too to get rid of the leading edge of the sole where it meets the liner of the hullsides. Tried the sawzall today and it wasnt it.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 pm
by fallguy1000
I would have saved that edge unless it was falling off rotten or too thick.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:26 pm
by Fuzz
Glad the Zec disks are working out for you. A cut off disk on a 4.5 inch grinder will make short work out of that lip left on the hull sides. You will have just a small amount of glass left and the Zec will make it go away pretty quickly. A multi-tool will work on that lip but it will be much slower and you will use up some blades. At least the multi-tool will make less dust if you are where that matters. It looks like you are getting the hull cleaned up nicely.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:47 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 pm
I would have saved that edge unless it was falling off rotten or too thick.
Unfortunately it’s too low to use as a base for my new sole and very uneven/rotten in areas.
Fuzz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:26 pm
Glad the Zec disks are working out for you. A cut off disk on a 4.5 inch grinder will make short work out of that lip left on the hull sides. You will have just a small amount of glass left and the Zec will make it go away pretty quickly. A multi-tool will work on that lip but it will be much slower and you will use up some blades. At least the multi-tool will make less dust if you are where that matters. It looks like you are getting the hull cleaned up nicely.
I’ll give the cutoff disks a go as well. Dust doesnt matter for me right now, once i’m in the shop next week I’ll be more conscious of my mess. Gonna do the majority of my demo grinding outside while its nice
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:00 pm
by Fuzz
I do 95% of my work inside because of the weather so dust control is always an issue for me. More than once I have thought how nice it would be to be able to grind outside and not worry about the dust. Seems the grass is always greener on the other side.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:34 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:00 pm
I do 95% of my work inside because of the weather so dust control is always an issue for me. More than once I have thought how nice it would be to be able to grind outside and not worry about the dust. Seems the grass is always greener on the other side.
It definitely is nice when the weather cooperates! Wind here is a challenge, i don’t mind covering my other boat/truck/house in dust but wouldn’t want to nail my neighbor’s. Also, I’ve been conscious of the days/hours I work as the noise of ZEC/flap disks on fiberglass can be ear piercing. When you live at the beach, you can forget sometimes that most come here to get away from all that. Only worked on weekdays for a few hours before 5pm, then promptly quit.
Going in the shop next week which will be nice as it’s going to be a wash of a week with weather. Hoping to have lip removed and liner/cap/console sanded and ready for work.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:40 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
My yard got full and Atlantic made bottom of the list unfortunately. Hoping to be inside grinded out on Wednesday. Got the remaining lip taken care of with cutoff wheel
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:42 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got my wood picked up (1/2” for sole/decks, 3/4” for decks/stringers). Been full grinding mode in the shop as of late. Plan to have wrapped up grinding on Saturday. If sure is a snowstorm in the shop
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:07 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Lot of grinding done. Inside liner, old sole lip, and cap taken care of. Lot of grinding on the well. Looking forward to tracing the stringers and getting those knocked out next
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:37 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Working on blocking the hull and removing the last bit of foam under the bow. Going to keep in tact the center small stringer as it is solid and doesnt show any sign of water intrusion/rot. Will also get blocks for the keel.
Thinking of bulkheads, i think i am going to go with one towards the bow (where the existing one is), one midship in front of fuel tank, and one spanning where the engine mounts on either side of the well. Does that seems reasonable?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:43 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
First 8’ of stringers removed and forward bulkhead. Worthy amount of moisture and delamination
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:37 am
by Fuzz
Your plan for the bulkheads sounds fine to me. That is about what came from the factory so should be good.
The bond failure of the poly to the wood is about what I would expect. At least they used enough glass to still have some strength left. Lots of times the wood is just a mold for the glass. You have been busy with the grinder
But now the hull is starting to look good.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:58 pm
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:37 am
Your plan for the bulkheads sounds fine to me. That is about what came from the factory so should be good.
The bond failure of the poly to the wood is about what I would expect. At least they used enough glass to still have some strength left. Lots of times the wood is just a mold for the glass. You have been busy with the grinder
But now the hull is starting to look good.
You probably like to work clean like me, but you could glass over the rot and forget about it woth epoxy..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:50 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Definitely been some good grinder sessions. Today was able to remove the remaining foam in the bow and the last sections of the stringers. Thankfully my keel stringer is in great shape, no signs of water intrusion, screws, rot, etc. so going to leave it be.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got my stringers traced and cut today and 90 percent done with gridding out the bottom. I’m starting to ponder the best way to tie in the stringers to the well/motor mount transom. Although the transom isnt rotten, some moisture is present in the wood ply after removing the stringers adjacent. I think potentially the right way would involve removing the wood from the transom and bonding a fresh piece of 3/4” across that area. Any thoughts?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:39 am
by TomW1
Yep, you need to replace the transom wood or it will continue to rot if you do not. Water in wood is bad. There is a good instruction on replacing the transom on here some where. It may even be at the top of this category.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:00 am
by Fuzz
Second what tom said. You will never have a better time than now to take care of the problem. And it will not be in the back of your mind wishing you had taken care of it.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Definitely my thoughts. I’m this far into it and have the wood to do it so might as well. I’m interested as to what would be the best method for tabbing and glassing into the stringers/well
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:52 pm
by TomW1
I looked and the instructions for replacing the transom wood is at the top of this category. Once you get it replaced then you just tab the stringers in with 12oz biax tape. Just as you would if you are starting from new. First make a smooth corner with epoxy then lay in the fiberglass. Please ask if you have questions as others have done this and can help you do this.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:15 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
TomW1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:52 pm
I looked and the instructions for replacing the transom wood is at the top of this category. Once you get it replaced then you just tab the stringers in with 12oz biax tape. Just as you would if you are starting from new. First make a smooth corner with epoxy then lay in the fiberglass. Please ask if you have questions as others have done this and can help you do this.
Tom
Thanks Tom. Going to Mexico for a week then will be back and working on the boat beginning of May
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got a windy day to work on the boat between my busy schedule with Sea Tow and Commercial/Charter fishing firing off. Got rest of bottom ground out, well area cleaned up and got the transom cut out. Definitely glad to have put that under the knife as well. Friday I plan to butt block my stringers and get my transom cut out as well as my forward and midship bulkhead.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:00 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
My current plan is to utilize two pieces of 3/4” sandwiched together for my transom, and have a layup schedule something like 8,6,4 of 1708, rolled over that much on all four directions (sides of well, bottom and top). I also plan to add a layer of 1708 glass around the entire well to add some rigidity.
Should I tab and mate the transom/stringers together inside the boat first? Or should I install my transom as described, then tab/glass in stringers? With the well, it’s somewhat difficult trying to figure out which way I should do certain procedures.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:56 am
by pee wee
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:00 pm
Should I tab and mate the transom/stringers together inside the boat first? Or should I install my transom as described, then tab/glass in stringers? With the well, it’s somewhat difficult trying to figure out which way I should do certain procedures.
I'd do the transom first, you'll get a cleaner job without the stringers in the way, then tab in the stringers.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 12:25 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Thanks, thinking transom first as well. Going to glue and get transom/stringers together top of the week.
As far as my stringer layout, I’m starting to wonder if two more 3/4” stringers may be better for the sole to distribute weight. Looking at boguesounder’s 18 privateer build, my boat is wider than a 18 privateer and I think it’d be incredibly beneficial as opposed to my previous plan of bulkheads. Any thoughts to this?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 1:43 pm
by Fuzz
Extra stringers would make the deck stiffer for sure. And it might even let you build the deck a little lighter.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 2:56 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 1:43 pm
Extra stringers would make the deck stiffer for sure. And it might even let you build the deck a little lighter.
Considering I am planning on not foaming under the deck, I think two outboard stringers will suit my 1/2” deck much better than my planned bulkheads would, with a lot less templates and woodworking to boot.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 9:35 pm
by Fuzz
If I guy did not mind or wanted a little higher deck 1 inch or 1.5 inch nidacore would make a damn nice deck for not much more money. Might even be close to break even as 1.5 inch would not need a lot of glass on it.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:57 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 9:35 pm
If I guy did not mind or wanted a little higher deck 1 inch or 1.5 inch nidacore would make a damn nice deck for not much more money. Might even be close to break even as 1.5 inch would not need a lot of glass on it.
I’m sure if I was paying retail that would hold absolutely true. My business account with local marine ply dealer is just too good to pass up. Definitely thought about it though! Maybe my next project I’ll indulge on some nicer materials
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 12:20 pm
by fallguy1000
You glassing the bottom of the half inch deck?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 1:18 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 12:20 pm
You glassing the bottom of the half inch deck?
Correct. One layer of 1708. Fir so really going to make sure everything is glassed: top, sides and bottoms of everything exposed and otherwise.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 2:14 pm
by cape man
Well sealed ply is a permanent material.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:32 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Any downsides to filleting with silica/cabosil as opposed to wood flour?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 pm
by fallguy1000
Well, I always fillet and tape same day because silica sands hard.
Silica is not hygroscopic, wood is, but wood-epoxy mix is pretty waterproof as the epoxy seals the wood..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 9:09 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 pm
Well, I always fillet and tape same day because silica sands hard.
Silica is not hygroscopic, wood is, but wood-epoxy mix is pretty waterproof as the epoxy seals the wood..
Definitely gonna be working wet on wet. I just have plenty of fumed silica and just not sure I need the wood flour as a thickening agent. Not like this is an all wooden boat and worried about appearance because everything is gonna be hidden or painted with non skid
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 10:54 pm
by Fuzz
That will work just fine. Just do like Fallguy said and work wet on wet where you can. Anything that saves picking up the sander is a good thing
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 10:29 am
by fallguy1000
I really hate sanding. I hate sanding fillets more.
I sanded both hull cabins over the last week. Now some fairing to make the walls so they can't cut you.
Looks dungeony in my pic, but under a tent on a cloudy day. There is a window in the bunk area with smoked glass.
Lotsa wet on wet taped fillets in here.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 10:54 am
by Jeff
Looks good FG!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 12:45 pm
by fallguy1000
I was gonna mention, they are all cabosil fillets.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 12:55 pm
by Jaysen
Is that an actual berth? My favorite “sleep inside” place is a pilots berth that is a bit smaller than that one. Nice and cozy. Open the rear dorade for a nice breeze of close it to stay nice and toasty. Pair it a nearly white gray (do not do white!) and put 3 diffused LEDs at 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 with dpdt switches at each end. You’ll have a hard time keeping people out of it.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 5:10 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got butt blocks made up and all clamped together. Transom cut out and test fitted and will be clamped tomorrow. Hull back blocked up in the shop. Good progress. Hoping to continue with some momentum
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:35 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
More progress pics. Got transom area ground out and ready. Both 3/4” transom pieces are shaped and glued/curing. Ran around the lobby and managed to salvage my fast cure thickened batch from gluing to fill the copious screw/bolt holes and other thru-hulls that needed attention.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:36 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 12:45 pm
I was gonna mention, they are all cabosil fillets.
They look great!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:15 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:44 pm
by Fuzz
Very nice. I am sure it is nice to be building and not tearing out for a change,.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:04 pm
by fallguy1000
Your bond surface for the transom looks like some old rotten wood. That is no good. All must be gone or the bond can shear, well, old wood can shear, that is.
Everything else is looking great.
When you pack the transom, the wood should be precoated with clear epoxy and bedded into some brownie batter consistency thickened epoxy. Usually, you clamp and bolt hole it for some pull.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:22 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:04 pm
Your bond surface for the transom looks like some old rotten wood. That is no good. All must be gone or the bond can shear, well, old wood can shear, that is.
Everything else is looking great.
When you pack the transom, the wood should be precoated with clear epoxy and bedded into some brownie batter consistency thickened epoxy. Usually, you clamp and bolt hole it for some pull.
Thanks for the tips! The transom your seeing I believe is just a discrepancy between dried out old CSM mat and a hair bit left of polyester. I did a bit more sanding to get it fair and wood free (to the skin) after that picture.
Is it recommended to have my peanut butter batch of thickened epoxy on the hull skin? Planning on drilling out my drain plug and putting a wax coated bolt with washer for my pull down. Being careful of course to only walk on the blocked part of the hull to avoid the flexiness she has currently. Will pre coat my transom and work that wet on wet
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:25 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:44 pm
Very nice. I am sure it is nice to be building and not tearing out for a change,.
It’s a nice change!! Gonna feel weird putting stuff back in for sure.
And thanks Jeff! No pro for sure but ambitious and willing to work hard to make it right.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 6:35 am
by fallguy1000
It all depends on how thick it 'needs to be to have bond throughout. But I'd prefer to use more pb to less. If it is really flat, you can also neatcoat each side first, wait an hour for it to tack and then apply the pb. The hotcoating is sort of the magic. What you don't want is for the wood to suck the resins out. I have seen it happen on a few of my works where I didn't expect it. Old wood is especially notorious for drysuck. My redwood ceiling timbers I tested to see what they did to resin and they were really bad suck-ers and all required slathering with epoxy before the pb.
I'd aim for 1/8" vee trowel on one side or 1/16" for both if real flat. If not real flat, 1/8" both sides is a shit ton of material, but the transom is small. If you go that much, use a lot of angle and pressure on the passes to reduce it some and not a lot of pressure after she's stuck. Jist enough to ooze the edges.
If the skin of the hull feels like it is flexing too much; consider laying some 1708 in the bottom. But if it stiffens with the stringers; that'll do. Just think about what it does pounding a wave.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 6:50 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 6:35 am
It all depends on how thick it 'needs to be to have bond throughout. But I'd prefer to use more pb to less. If it is really flat, you can also neatcoat each side first, wait an hour for it to tack and then apply the pb. The hotcoating is sort of the magic. What you don't want is for the wood to suck the resins out. I have seen it happen on a few of my works where I didn't expect it. Old wood is especially notorious for drysuck. My redwood ceiling timbers I tested to see what they did to resin and they were really bad suck-ers and all required slathering with epoxy before the pb.
I'd aim for 1/8" vee trowel on one side or 1/16" for both if real flat. If not real flat, 1/8" both sides is a shit ton of material, but the transom is small. If you go that much, use a lot of angle and pressure on the passes to reduce it some and not a lot of pressure after she's stuck. Jist enough to ooze the edges.
If the skin of the hull feels like it is flexing too much; consider laying some 1708 in the bottom. But if it stiffens with the stringers; that'll do. Just think about what it does pounding a wave.
Thanks FG for the advice! I’ve noticed, as others have pointed out, that the fir definitely absorbs a good bit of epoxy. I’ve light coated each section so far (butt blocks, transom) and have then used thickened epoxy as it tacks up. Weather has been favorable to be using fast hardener here in Morehead City (been in the 50’s, unbelievable).
Going to mix a healthy batch and use your advice. Planning to utilize smaller wax coated screws with large washers in the 4 engine mount holes, as well as the drain plug area to help clamp in a uniform manner. I personally would rather wait until the transom is glasses to drill these areas out for the appropriate hardware.
The hull blocked up feels pretty good considering she’s empty. The area forward of the transom is ground down to the bare hull skin and plan to have 2 layers of 1708 in this area (bilge and seachests).
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 9:18 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
As predicted took a good bit of thickened to fill the gap bur happy with it. Going to have to inject slow in the bottom but as per the tutorials and read ups I have seen this seems to be the norm. Three clamps up top and half a dozen fasteners thru the back
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 3:25 pm
by fallguy1000
Pull the screws at 12-16 hours. Would have been smart to router those three sides for glass. You want to glass over the top here as well... You can form radiuses with a festool sander and 40 grit as well.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:32 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 3:25 pm
Pull the screws at 12-16 hours. Would have been smart to router those three sides for glass. You want to glass over the top here as well... You can form radiuses with a festool sander and 40 grit as well.
I’ll definitely be forming around the mating edge of the well on both sides and the three edges that will need to be glassed. I know forming heavy 1708 can be a pain. Open to suggestions on other options.
Tabbing will be done with 12oz biax on the bottom and assuming the sides of the well? I havent seen or done a transom on a well boat so kind of going with what I think is correct. Learn by doing is my way, I’m humble enough to make mistakes along the way and am thankful for all you experts chiming in.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 10:14 am
by fallguy1000
Yeah, tab sides and bottom. Something like 3-4 layers of 1708, longest layer first, maybe 10,8,6,4"...or 12,10,8,6" pieces. Longest first is better quality and less sand thru
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 10:17 am
by fallguy1000
You MUST tab overtops, both sides, same, something like +8,+6,+4,+2 each side, so for a 2" top, the plus 8 is an 18" piece, etc,
Not closing the top will result in the top splitting open from cte variation. Seen it here a few times.
If you go overtops, you must grind away old gelcoat down to bare glass. It won't be fun, but must be done,
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 7:44 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:17 am
You MUST tab overtops, both sides, same, something like +8,+6,+4,+2 each side, so for a 2" top, the plus 8 is an 18" piece, etc,
Not closing the top will result in the top splitting open from cte variation. Seen it here a few times.
If you go overtops, you must grind away old gelcoat down to bare glass. It won't be fun, but must be done,
No stranger to grinding anymore. So over the backside (where engine mounts) I should sand/grind that skin away to l build back up with my overlapping layers. Copy
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 9:07 am
by fallguy1000
You are gonna have a great boat when done because you are making these efforts.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 9:48 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 9:07 am
You are gonna have a great boat when done because you are making these efforts.
I hope so! This one will be sentimental for sure. I’ll be very prideful that first ride on a boat I rebuilt, powered by a motor I rebuilt.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:27 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Well it’s been a busy summer to say the least. Work is at a stand still on the boat due to fishing but that’s good, I’ll be able to make some money to throw at the thing.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:27 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fillet and tabbed my transom today in the heat. Worked wet on wet
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:32 pm
by fallguy1000
How many tapes? Load path is to move the transom top forward, so offsetting that is key.
Work looks good. I'd want minimum 3 tapes there, maybe 4, depends on hp.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:32 pm
How many tapes? Load path is to move the transom top forward, so offsetting that is key.
Work looks good. I'd want minimum 3 tapes there, maybe 4, depends on hp.
Horsepower is a 115 four stroke Yamaha. I just taped one layer of 12oz. Biax as it was my first bit of taping and wanted to see how it turned out. Had to fillet around a few spots too so that took some time.
How many layers of 1708 biax I should use to build up the transom? 3 staggered layers? Was gonna try and cut the longest layer the full length of the well to the stern of the boat.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:53 am
by Fuzz
If it were me I would want a couple of layers of 1708 or 17oz biax running across the face and back along the well to the stern. That would give lots of contact area for the new glass to band to. The plywood looks thick enough that you should not need a lot of glass on it to make it plenty strong. Maybe add 3-4 layers of tape to the joints but that might well be overkill.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:17 am
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:53 am
If it were me I would want a couple of layers of 1708 or 17oz biax running across the face and back along the well to the stern. That would give lots of contact area for the new glass to band to. The plywood looks thick enough that you should not need a lot of glass on it to make it plenty strong. Maybe add 3-4 layers of tape to the joints but that might well be overkill.
Not overkill at all. Minimums. This boat transom is sort of a transom in reverse. Consider no tabbing. Revving the engine throws the plywood forward and it falls into the boat. A conventional transom pushes the boat forward until it goes in reverse.
All about load path; this transom needs lots of reinforcement so that overtime it does not stress crack on the top edge, or worse.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:05 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Heat index over 100 next couple of days. Definitely not epoxy/boat building friendly
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:57 am
by fallguy1000
97 temp here tomorrow
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:32 pm
by Jeff
Wow, way too hot FG!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:35 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Quick update: Still in purgatory awaiting favorable conditions to start work again. Hoping top of next week will allow for cool (enough) weather to work on the boat. Moved a couple doors down from my previous shop as well
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:21 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
I struggled today with wetting out my 2 additional layers of tabbing. I had someone suggest to me to use peel ply in some stages of the built to help with wetting out, especially the 1708 cloth
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:37 pm
by Fuzz
1708 can be a pain to wet out and is worse when using epoxy. Some times it works better to wet it out on plastic so you can flip it over and then move it to where you want it. If I am using epoxy I prefer to use 12 or 17 oz biax with no mat.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:13 pm
by fallguy1000
Peelply is not helpful for wetting out.
Peelply eliminates the need for as much sanding and also helps eliminate blush. Never apply peelply late towards gel time as it will result in pulling on the laminate and actually pull the part away from the substrate.
The best way to wetout 1708 is on a table on plastic. Always in all cases, the bottom or substrate must be wetted first. Why? 1708 has 3 layers off glass, the mat layer which is disorganized and every direction, the biax layer going one way and the biax layer going the other way. It should never be wetted down through because the likelihood of a dry layup is possible. 1708 is laid out at a rate of 25 ounces of epoxy per yard, plus any roller losses. It is thirsty stuff.
Using sharpies and making lots of layout marks helps get the pieces back where they belong when wet.
I move every table wetted piece to cardboard to carry to the boat.
Another thing I like about peelply is you can use it to keep tape from sticking to the new work. For example, let's say you tape an outside radius, but the glass tape doesn't want to stay down. Apply peelply and then run masking tape over the peelply and to dry area to hold it. When things cure, the masking tape won't be bonded to the finished piece and will pull with the peelply. This may be y I mentioned it..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:22 pm
by fallguy1000
If you did not table wet the pieces, or you got the peelply on late; that would explain the troubles.
Just grind out any large bubbles and patch the spots. The work ain't perfect, but doesn't look like a do over to me.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:27 pm
by fallguy1000
My method of table wetting....
I put about 40% of the need for the first piece on the plastic. I always put the longest pieces on the wetting area first to reduce resin waste. Then I lay the piece on and quickly roll it and continue same fashion, stacking smaller pieces on top. Then I might flip it all over or take the stack down one at a time and move them to cardboard while I do the QA and make sure they are well wetted.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:31 pm
by fallguy1000
You can also just inject epoxy with blunt nose needles into any air voids. Use a 1/16" needle. I forget the gauge. Drill two holes in each area where there is an air pocket.. mark with masking tape and then inject and use masking tape to cover the injection and vent holes
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:49 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Update: Well I still have the boat and I have it off the trailer on cribbing finally.
Long story short: Had an emergency transom replacement on one of our Twin Vee work boats. I will make a separate post outlining how we did all that but it did give me the much needed skill set and confidence to take on this project full speed ahead!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:22 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Dry fitted two layers of 1708 for my transom today. Still going to sand and form a better radius on the backside of the transom, but wanted to go ahead and get these pieces cut. Haven’t trimmed the shorter of my two layers yet either. Also planning to do a layer of 1708 down each side of the well as reinforcement.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:40 am
by fallguy1000
General good building practice is to never lay two pieces of same size atop each other. It creates hard points that can result in stress concentration.
Not sure you did, but looks like two of same size, unless I misunderstand..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:59 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:40 am
General good building practice is to never lay two pieces of same size atop each other. It creates hard points that can result in stress concentration.
Not sure you did, but looks like two of same size, unless I misunderstand..
Not a worry! That line about “haven’t trimmed the shorter layer yet” was a testament to doing just that
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:02 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Dry fitted my other 1708 layers along the sides of the well today
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:34 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
New tabbing and wetted out my 2 layers of 1708 on the transom as well as both pieces either side of the well.
on
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:45 am
by cape man
Looks solid!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:12 am
by boguesounder
Looks great. Like the hull color also.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:38 am
by fallguy1000
Looks good. I assumed you intend to tab here?
It would be good to run that tabbing onto the new glass. All that force gets applied on gradients that way.
Easy to do, just dart the glass on the vertical and lay it down.
- E5EBBB17-8D1D-4273-8830-352FFE71D8BC.jpeg (186.13 KiB) Viewed 830 times
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:41 am
by fallguy1000
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:44 am
by fallguy1000
Also, it is good to overwrap the top of the transom; same story; force gradients. I seem to recall you were or did, but lotsa strength on one side and little on the other is not best because you can get stress risers in the corners then.
If you have any doubts; after it cures for a week; just push against it with your legs and see if it gives in the middle. Looks strong to me.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:44 am
Also, it is good to overwrap the top of the transom; same story; force gradients. I seem to recall you were or did, but lotsa strength on one side and little on the other is not best because you can get stress risers in the corners then.
If you have any doubts; after it cures for a week; just push against it with your legs and see if it gives in the middle. Looks strong to me.
Thanks! Yes did 3 layers of 12oz biax overtop transom as well as the two layers of 1708. Will heed advice and tab along well sides into the bilge forward of well. I have plenty of. 12oz. biax
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:28 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Pic of back of transom. Also where i plan to tab tomorrow on the well to the stern of the boat. Thinking one layer of 12oz. biax should suffice. Also taking care of that one dried out corner on the back of the longer layer as well.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:33 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
I am satisfied with how the well has turned out and think I’m ready to move onto my stringers. Going to do some final prep work next week and hopefully have them tack, then fillet and tabbed in by the end of the week.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:43 am
by fallguy1000
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:33 am
I am satisfied with how the well has turned out and think I’m ready to move onto my stringers. Going to do some final prep work next week and hopefully have them tack, then fillet and tabbed in by the end of the week.
Main thing to avoid is pressing them against the hull. They should be gapped before puttying them down.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:59 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:43 am
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:33 am
I am satisfied with how the well has turned out and think I’m ready to move onto my stringers. Going to do some final prep work next week and hopefully have them tack, then fillet and tabbed in by the end of the week.
Main thing to avoid is pressing them against the hull. They should be gapped before puttying them down.
Good copy. Going to try and source some small foam risers to keep the stringers off the bottom skin of the hull
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:33 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Tacked stringers, and had time today to fillet and tab with two layers of 12oz biax on the portside stringer
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:41 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:35 am
by fallguy1000
I'm a bit confused by stringers alongside the transom. Not going to be able to tab them in..?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:46 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:35 am
I'm a bit confused by stringers alongside the transom. Not going to be able to tab them in..?
There are 3 drain plugs in this boat. Two are right there. Doing that tabbing in a separate session after I remove the garboard plugs.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:02 pm
by fallguy1000
How u gonna fillet and tab them?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:25 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:02 pm
How u gonna fillet and tab them?
Just the same as the rest... Lot of filler. 3 layers. Below freezing temps here til Thursday. Not gonna do much til top of the year
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:01 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got the tabbing done on the transom and filled the gap. Took a lot of epoxy. Also got both interior sides of stringers glassed in 1708, will do exteriors tomorrow and post photos
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:22 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Inside and outside stringers done with glass. Cutting three bulkheads tomorrow, hopefully will tab and glass by the end of the week
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:49 am
by fallguy1000
I was wondering about that gap... so, from a design perspective, the load on the transom really needs to be pushing on the stringers.
I apologize for not seeing this sooner, but load transfer is supposed to be done in a line. And this also explains my earlier confusion and commentary about the gap. You can't tab the stringer properly at the transom box.
Obviously, you are way past any major design changes, but you really ought to consider significant tabbing of the transom box to the stringer. This will help keep the loads transferring into the stringer more versus loads creating lateral strain on the bond.
I don't think anyone would design the stringers and box this way anymore if this was original. The way it would be done is for the box to end and the stringers to begin.
You can either use tabbing, or you can put a short stringer say 2-3' long in front of the box. Yes, you have a ton of epoxy in the seam, but the issue is load transfers are not in a line.
A lot depends on horsepower plan. If this boat were getting 300hp; I'd say you must add sisters. For 115hp; just fillet and tab as I've drawn. This is a top view. This will prevent the epoxy and filler bond from cracking. Epoxy and cabosil is not as strong as epoxy and tapes!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:54 am
by fallguy1000
You also ought to tape the top of the gap to avoid the chance for any ingress. Water that finds its way down in the gap is never leaving and if it finds it way to wood; it will rot. A piece of 1708 on an epoxy puddle is cheap insurance
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:02 am
by fallguy1000
A lot of people may guffaw at my comment, but what happens at the transom is the key. The force on the transom from the engine is forward and it creates deflection in the transom. If the forces are pushing onto the stringers; they are transferred to the hull and deflection is less.
This is why we oftentimes see knees on a transom. It is to transfer loads into the hull and to reduce strain on the transom.
In the case of this transom; it is certainly not wide and this helps, but all of the loads are not being transferred into the hull in direct paths and this creates strain on the transom and the bonds of it to the stringers.
Another option for you would be to add a small stringer up the middle of the transom to the next bulkhead instead of two sisters. That stringer would directly transfer loads from the center of the transom into the hull and not allow transom deflection.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:06 pm
by TomW1
fallguy, the stringer should also be stabbed to the transom even more importantly than the box. I would also tape the top of the stringer to the box for water egress with 4oz. tape. This further helps transfer the forward power to the stringer and the bottom of the boat. On Jacques plans stringers are taped to the transom on both sides. Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:31 pm
by fallguy1000
The transom is the front of the box.
The stern panel or transom, call it what you like is getting some loads, but not like the box.
4 oz woven is not considered waterproof Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:12 am
by TomW1
The epoxy makes 4oz waterproof, then fairing, primer, and layers of topcoat. Sorry about my mistake on the transom had to go back and look at the very beginning of the thread to see where the motor went
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:03 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Been busy. Yes going to tab more on the transom, as well as put a layer of 12oz. In that void
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:17 pm
by fallguy1000
What's the other boat?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:48 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:17 pm
What's the other boat?
22’ Twin Vee catamaran. Just glued the sold down this week. Done the transom and bulkheads already
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:49 pm
by Fuzz
Man you are one busy dude! That is a lot of boat work looking you in the face
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:43 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got all three bulkheads tack, tabbed and glassed in today. Getting cold this week, that shop heater is working overtime. Also did three layers of 12oz. On transom and stern of boat, as well as a layer over the thickened around the well.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:46 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
27 degrees here this AM so not much work done today. Did get the rigging tube complete and set. I epoxy’d the exposed plys and will go back over with a bead of thickened when it warms up. What’s the general consensus on how to attach the rigging tube to the stringer?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:55 pm
by OrangeQuest
Most rigging tubes, you would want to avoid using 90 degree elbows. Easier to get cables and even wiring through with two 45 degs or a 90 deg curve.
Your repair is really looking good.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:03 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
OrangeQuest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:55 pm
Most rigging tubes, you would want to avoid using 90 degree elbows. Easier to get cables and even wiring through with two 45 degs or a 90 deg curve.
Your repair is really looking good.
Thanks, taken longer than anticipated, but did not know what to anticipate to that statement isn’t accurate.
I was able to avoid the regular 90’s and utilize the longer swept (curved) 90s. I ran the throttle cables thru to see how well they would snake thru the tube and they didn’t have an issue.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:40 pm
by fallguy1000
Long turn 90s would be the only way to go.
The best way to bond/seal pvc is black mamba fhg (kudos to Aripeka Angler).
A mechanical fastening is required every 4 feet per abyc, but I wouldn't worry too much if you bond it well or put something under to keep it from falling..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:00 pm
by cape man
The steering cables are the worst, but they may make it through those sweep 90's.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:19 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
cape man wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:00 pm
The steering cables are the worst, but they may make it through those sweep 90's.
Going baystar hydraulic so no worries there. Never going cable steering ever again
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:50 am
by cape man
Ah Ha! Perfect! I'm digging this rebuild a lot!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:53 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
cape man wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:50 am
Ah Ha! Perfect! I'm digging this rebuild a lot!
Thanks all. Will be a cool boat! Got my nidacore tank supports glued into place. As well as storage box forward and bilge area aft coated with bilgekote
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:02 pm
by Fuzz
Looking at the last picture my first thought was "man you work clean"
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:15 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Rubber finally came in for my tank area. Got tank set and foamed on both sides, as well as all the bilge area squared away. The sea chest was a bit awkward but finally was able to commit to a layout that was functional. Tank sending unit and all three rule pumps with be run together on the portside, around the transom to the rigging tube. Fuel on the starboard side, then shoots upward to the rigging tube.
Still need to pull a little bit of slack on the fill/vent tube to eliminate the low spots. Also still running bilge pump to the starboard side
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:26 am
by Jeff
Really well done!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:37 pm
by Fuzz
Bad news, sorry!
That looks like a plastic tank. If so they are NOT supposed to be foamed in. They will expand up to three percent when filled and need room to do so. The Moeller site has some info on this but they do not sound like it is the end of the world. You might want to go there and read what they say.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:07 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Fuzz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:37 pm
Bad news, sorry!
That looks like a plastic tank. If so they are NOT supposed to be foamed in. They will expand up to three percent when filled and need room to do so. The Moeller site has some info on this but they do not sound like it is the end of the world. You might want to go there and read what they say.
The tanks top is the most “flexible” area of it. The sides being so narrow, I foamed and left ~2-3 inch gap on top for expansion and contraction of the tank. We did one like this previously, and have a few others do the same:
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:51 pm
by Fuzz
You knew about it and have done it that way before with success so all good then. I just did not want to see it and not say something. To be honest I do not know what makes the tanks grow, maybe just fluid weight not being supported??
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:11 pm
by TomW1
Fuzz, the plastic tanks expand due to thermal expansion. Once enough gas is used it is not a problem. Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:23 am
by fallguy1000
The only comment from me on the tank is it should be tested at 2-3 psi overnite before sole goes down with lines on. Capping the vent and fill can be tricky. I did not test the fill cap, but plugged the line instead. I had one leak on one of the two tanks at my test fitting. Once fixed was fine. It is a little unnerving because the tank gets pretty big. It will probably crush that foam on the top some, but should be done.
I believe, technically, a mechanical fastening is required, but as long as the tank doesn't move after the test; should be fine.
Back in the day, plastic was not impervious to fuel odors and so the reason Fuzz did not like the foam is because it provides a potential (or use to before epa required plastic improvements) for fuel vapors to collect. And, I don't recall whether it is allowed now under abyc. But their tank rules need revision afaic anyhow.
For me, personally, I am afraid of fuel vapors as having singed my eyebrows once to standing in a vapor pool and lighting a groundfire. No wind that nite, and my one match went out. Went in the house, got distracted and went back after some time had past and nearly exploded myself (okay I did).
Fire is the greatest risk to my boat, so anything I can do to mitigate I will. A fire 50 miles offshore is a big problem for all mariners and can result in loss of life. A fire in a marina is also damned bad. Go burn a piece of boat core and skin and epoxy in an outside fire pit sometime if you got no fear of boat fire. It goes up kinda like a firework or close.
For tank testing, I also had a gauge fail. So, if you see the tank balloon up and no gauge reading; be careful. For me, I stopped cause I got nervous and discovered the cheap Chinese crap.. and spent more money on a better one..
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:40 am
by fallguy1000
Oh, the tanks grow due to thermal change. So, tank installed at ambient 70F, then you go out on a 95 degree day with the sun beating down and the sole hits 105F and now the tank is 35 degrees warmer. The engine supply and fill are sealed, and so only the vent line is open. The fuel vapors escape, but the plastic itself has thermal properties that also make it expand quite a bit.
And it grows in all directions. So the bottom panel of the tank grows upwards; the sides in a foamed in tank grow inwards? and the top grows upwards. In a bolted tank, the sides grow outwards. If the sides grow outwards into the foam; they will crush it and reduce the holding power.
Volumetric growth is always pretty significant...
So, another thing to consider when foaming in is how does thermal expansion of the plastic work...
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:04 am
by OrangeQuest
Looks like the foam around the tank complies with USCG regulations. I would be a little concerned about the vent hose dipping down as it exits the stringer and could possibly be a liquid fuel trap and could cause blow back when filling. That and, from the angle of the picture, the fuel line may be a little high where the chase tube comes into the bilge area, could cables or wire contact it? Could all be just the angle of the pictures. Overall looks very well done.
Curious about the bilge pumps in the small box? Is that for ballast control or live wells?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:25 pm
by TomW1
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:15 am
Rubber finally came in for my tank area. Got tank set and foamed on both sides, as well as all the bilge area squared away. The sea chest was a bit awkward but finally was able to commit to a layout that was functional. Tank sending unit and all three rule pumps with be run together on the portside, around the transom to the rigging tube. Fuel on the starboard side, then shoots upward to the rigging tube.
Still need to pull a little bit of slack on the fill/vent tube to eliminate the low spots. Also still running bilge pump to the starboard side817495A6-4306-426B-B254-16C3F4244FB2.jpeg89B3A0A4-6BCB-4590-AF82-1E037EC719D9.jpegD49325CB-6A90-48B5-8CC2-B179A84CFB1C.jpeg
How deep does the foam go? The ABYC/USCG rules does not permit foam down the full sides. If you are just foaming a couple inches down from the top that is fine, but you have to leave room for the sides to expand. The approved method is to foam the corners so that both the sides and ends can expand. The sides, ends, and top must be able to expand by 3%. The second method is to use tie down straps and finally David Pascoe's method of attaching neoprene strips with epoxy to the hull and tank with epoxy.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:28 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Lot of interest in the tank. The bottom and both ends have a rubber membrane that is 1/4” and plush like neoprene on the bottom and thinner on the sides. Foam doesn’t completely cover the tank to the bottom, has a piece of nidacore covered in rubber on port/starboard side to also act as a brace. Tank was pressure tested when I replaced my sending unit and tube, have not pressure tested the system in place with hoses attached
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:39 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got resourceful and cut a 4” piece of PVC in half in order to create chase tubes for the fuel vent/fill, as well as my bilge pump. Tacked into place then fillet and bonded today. Pressure test was good on the tank overnight
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:01 pm
by fallguy1000
Pvc won't hold in epoxy..
I tried.
Richard, aka Aripeka Angler was kind enough to recommend Black Mamba FHG and I used it and got the pipes to hold now.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:53 am
by cape man
I made chase tubes the same way to cover the wires for the under gunwale deck lights and the antenna chord on my OD18. The trick to get pvc to hold epoxy is to rough it up with 40 grit. I also did the same for the scuppers, drains for hatches, drain to bilge, and chase tubes from console to the rear, including where they went through the stringers and bulkheads below deck. Can't see the latter, but all that are exposed show no sign of failure 12 years later and I've used her hard.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:44 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
cape man wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:53 am
I made chase tubes the same way to cover the wires for the under gunwale deck lights and the antenna chord on my OD18. The trick to get pvc to hold epoxy is to rough it up with 40 grit. I also did the same for the scuppers, drains for hatches, drain to bilge, and chase tubes from console to the rear, including where they went through the stringers and bulkheads below deck. Can't see the latter, but all that are exposed show no sign of failure 12 years later and I've used her hard.
This is what I did. 36 grit actually, after roughing the tubes up I cut them in half and I believe they bonded well. Will wait and see but my scuppers are also threaded 3” PVC and my rigging tube also bonded with epoxy. Another workboat with “half moon” 3” pvc going down the entire gunnel:
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:20 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Cutting deck, hope to have whole thing cut and bottom side of it glassed by the weekend
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:50 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Rest of the deck cut and dry fit today, will glue and glass bottom of panels tomorrow
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:58 pm
by TomW1
When you have the deck out sand the PVC pipe so that the tape will hold better to the pipe. This has been discussed before on here. That slippery pipe does not form a good seal to the fiberglass unless something is done to rough it up.
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:54 pm
by piperdown
TomW1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:58 pm
When you have the deck out sand the PVC pipe so that the tape will hold better to the pipe. This has been discussed before on here. That slippery pipe does not form a good seal to the fiberglass unless something is done to rough it up.
Tom
He said he sanded with 36 grit sandpaper to rough the pvc tube.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:19 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Laminated the bottom sides of the sole today. Was going to try and make them one solid panel but realized the feasibility of this was impractical.
Can you tell it’s a boat shop? Lol
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:20 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm
by Dan_Smullen
No doubt. Looks like a great place to get some work done!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:58 pm
by Fuzz
I like a shop to look like that! Means some work is getting done
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:33 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got my tank sending unit wired, as well as my negative terminal block in the bilge. Gluing and tabbing sole end of this week
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:47 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Sole bonded to stringers/each other
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:11 pm
by cape man
Oh yes! Big step.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:28 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Work cut out for me tomorrow
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:19 pm
by Fuzz
Yep you got some in front of you but I bet it is a nice change working on a level surface.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:26 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
This thing is feeling solid. One layer of 1708, and another layer of 1.5oz. CSM to finish it out and finally onto less itchy processes!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:27 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:07 pm
by cape man
Sweet!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:45 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Getting it done this week. Traced my CSM and glassed my deck in. That was a race working by myself but very happy with how it came out. Cut my scuppers out as well and finished fairing and put the first coat of primer/paint on my console/gunnel cap.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:06 am
by Fuzz
Laying that much glass at one time by yourself you must have looked like a one arm paper hanger
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:43 am
by cape man
Love that deck!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:08 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
I was covered in resin that’s for sure. Was brutal alone but got it done and was proud of it. Whole project thus far had been a 95% one man affair. First coat of gray brightside laid up nicely. Going back with 220 grit this afternoon and rolling/tipping second coat.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:49 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Second coat of brightside and interior nonskid done as well. Starting to look like a decent boat
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:26 am
by cape man
Just so you know. I LOVE SPARTAN BOATS! Add the fact that she is almost 40 years old and I'm really falling in love with your project.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:42 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
cape man wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:26 am
Just so you know. I LOVE SPARTAN BOATS! Add the fact that she is almost 40 years old and I'm really falling in love with your project.
Thanks Cape Man, I’m beginning to enjoy the process more as things begin to materialize. Got my deck hatches in, as well as my rigging tube. Hanging engine and going on the trailer tomorrow
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:59 pm
by Fuzz
I know this is a purpose built boat but I keep thinking you are going to have an interesting ride in any sort of weather.
I like it as you will have a ton of working room.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:59 am
by fallguy1000
Fuzz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:59 pm
I know this is a purpose built boat but I keep thinking you are going to have an interesting ride in any sort of weather.
I like it as you will have a ton of working room.
What is that boat geared toward ?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:24 am
by pee wee
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:59 am
What is that boat geared toward ?
Way back in his first post:
"I am an owner/operator charter captain who fishes full time, as well as commercially but have marked off time after bluefin tuna fishing full-time to rebuild this boat. This will remain a work boat and will be used for commercial fishing as well as duck hunting."
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:37 pm
by fallguy1000
Thanks Hank. So what type of commercial fishing?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:52 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Engine is hung. Yea, forward console is tough when its rough
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:53 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:04 am
by fallguy1000
Very cool. Still curious what and how you fish that boat.
Congrats.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:24 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Really a jack of all trades. The well is traditionally designed for hauling gill or “runaround” style nets out and in off the transom. Also, an “h” frame can be added to pull a shrimp net off the stern. With the seachest, possibilities to keep large amounts of livebait aboard is available with above deck livewells. Likewise, being on the forward console helps navigating in shallow water by bringing more weight toward the bow, as well as visually aids in seeing schools of fish.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:01 am
by Jeff
Nice!! Congrats!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:25 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Got the boat back to the house, buttoning up some wiring
and the steering and she will be done
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:06 am
by Jeff
Nice work and quick as well!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:29 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Coming right along. Still a few wires to crimp and head shrink then ready for a sea trial
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:00 pm
by TomW1
She looks great. Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:59 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Electrical all buttoned up. Fishing tomorrow on the big boat, hope to sea trial this one on Tuesday!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:17 pm
by cape man
Oh Hell yeah! Awesome job sir!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:12 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Sea trial today went excellent! Two rod holders to install then completely complete. All systems were go except my fuel gauge but have narrowed it down to the culprit. Such a fun boat and will work excellent for me.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:31 pm
by Jeff
Very nice!!! Love the boat!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:48 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Been enjoying the boat. Added the last, and most important part today
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:00 pm
by mhd
So good I'm almost tempted to break into song!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:51 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
This thing had impressed me thoroughly. Floats and operates very shallow. I have lock to lock steering with the well, which i thought was a pipe dream.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:33 pm
by TomW1
Very nice Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:45 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
Figured you all would like an update. She’s been a great duck boat this winter season and you gain a lot of respect downeast here by having a 40 year old Atlantic, especially when you rebuilt it yourself!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:19 pm
by cape man
So...how's she run? And she looks awesome!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:59 pm
by fallguy1000
Love to see a running video..just curious about it is all
Congrats
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:13 pm
by boguesounder
Looks awesome man, congrats!!!
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:52 am
by Jeff
Nice!!! Jeff
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:05 pm
by TomW1
Nice and I see 4 ducks next on the console deck. Well done!!!
Tom
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:36 am
by pee wee
I see four birds with a black beak and one with a yellow beak, so five!
Yes, nice job and thanks for sharing your journey.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:48 am
by TomW1
pee wee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:36 am
I see four birds with a black beak and one with a yellow beak, so five!
Yes, nice job and thanks for sharing your journey.
Yep missed yellow beek.
Tom And again great job on your boat.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:23 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
The boat runs excellent. She likes to cruise at 24 mph turning around 4000rpm. She will plane all the way down to 14-16mph, too. I’m turning a 4 blade power tech and the boat will jump on plane in less than a foot of water if you know how to do it. Will run in 6-8” trimmed out, and floats in about the same trimmed up.Top end is mid-30’s, and the boat carries her weight well with the tank location. I’d rather be lucky than good any day
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:27 am
by goingbogueoutdoors
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:39 pm
by fallguy1000
Where can you duck hunt in February?
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:02 pm
by goingbogueoutdoors
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:39 pm
Where can you duck hunt in February?
Mexico, if you’re actually wondering. Pics were from a month ago here in NC
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:22 am
by fallguy1000
goingbogueoutdoors wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:02 pm
fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:39 pm
Where can you duck hunt in February?
Mexico, if you’re actually wondering. Pics were from a month ago here in NC
I'm a very curious person. Here in MN, February has only a handful of layover ducks and season closes in November.
Re: 1986 19' Atlantic rebuild
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:54 pm
by TomW1
One of my PT instructors went out to Missouri or Arkansas with 4 of his buds and shot 102 geese two weeks ago. Impressive pile of meat on the ground with them standing around the geese. Every state has their own season on fly way birds. NC season for some geese is Feb 12 - Mar 31.
Tom