GS 28 - Behavior at High Speed
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Re: GS 28 - Behavior at High Speed
I must be getting old because the picture of the twin engine GS 28 on plane with one engine gets me more excited than going 50-60 kts.
It seems to me that the GS 28 is designed to do a certain task. You are asking for it to do something it wasn't designed to do. I am a huge fan of excess power. A little excess power, not a lot. If 150hp will work, 200 will be better if it is within the design specs. 300hp is a bridge too far (for me).
It seems to me that the GS 28 is designed to do a certain task. You are asking for it to do something it wasn't designed to do. I am a huge fan of excess power. A little excess power, not a lot. If 150hp will work, 200 will be better if it is within the design specs. 300hp is a bridge too far (for me).
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I too was very impressed with an image I saw on this forum of the boat on plane with a single 85Hp I believe it was.bklake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:49 pm I must be getting old because the picture of the twin engine GS 28 on plane with one engine gets me more excited than going 50-60 kts.
It seems to me that the GS 28 is designed to do a certain task. You are asking for it to do something it wasn't designed to do. I am a huge fan of excess power. A little excess power, not a lot. If 150hp will work, 200 will be better if it is within the design specs. 300hp is a bridge too far (for me).
But 300 HP is listed in the study plans as being acceptable and so I don't really understand why I feel like I am being chastised for asking a question about what the top speed of an engine that is within the designers limits?!
I also believe many engines share the same blocks/ weights - so it would makes sense to get a 300 that weighs the same as say a 225 - all else being equal?
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I think it’s pretty obvious which way I lean, given that I built a fishing boat that does 50 kts!But 300 HP is listed in the study plans as being acceptable and so I don't really understand why I feel like I am being chastised for asking a question about what the top speed of an engine that is within the designers limits?!
The fun thing about building a boat is that you can do stuff that you want to - within reason! I did lots of stuff to my boat, the result being that it looks nothing like the Mangusta 20. My main concern was that it be legal and therefore insurable, so I put the maximum recommended hp on it even though it’s upscale 10%. On Jacques advice I put an additional layer of glass cloth on the outside.
If the plan says 300 hp and that appeals to you, then I say go for it! I will be watching with interest!
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You are right on the weight issue - a 300 and 225 weigh the same, so that's not an issue. I think you got your answer on top speed (upper 40s, maybe hit 50). As to handling at those speeds a pair of trim tabs and a decent skeg is also a good suggestion. Go for it!
As to feeling chastised, don't take it that way. Many here, including myself, are in love with how most of the designs and building methods allow you to power the boats with much lower hp than the same boat built in fiberglass and therefore will question why you want to go to the max. I think your question was a good one and made at the right time - before you started the build. Again, go for it. I would love to see video of a GS28 hitting 50 mph!
As to feeling chastised, don't take it that way. Many here, including myself, are in love with how most of the designs and building methods allow you to power the boats with much lower hp than the same boat built in fiberglass and therefore will question why you want to go to the max. I think your question was a good one and made at the right time - before you started the build. Again, go for it. I would love to see video of a GS28 hitting 50 mph!
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If it does 50 mph I swear I will only run it at that speed for a very short time ... just long enough to make a video for you! I don't want people to be offended that I am operating it above its most efficient cruising speedcape man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:25 am You are right on the weight issue - a 300 and 225 weigh the same, so that's not an issue. I think you got your answer on top speed (upper 40s, maybe hit 50). As to handling at those speeds a pair of trim tabs and a decent skeg is also a good suggestion. Go for it!
As to feeling chastised, don't take it that way. Many here, including myself, are in love with how most of the designs and building methods allow you to power the boats with much lower hp than the same boat built in fiberglass and therefore will question why you want to go to the max. I think your question was a good one and made at the right time - before you started the build. Again, go for it. I would love to see video of a GS28 hitting 50 mph!
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I was nice to you and you told me to shut it. Let's get that behind us. I don't care.
I'd love to see the boat built, and I don't care how fast you go with it. All I did was offer you help and I still would.
The reasons I offered you help was the designer was away and we have seen him answer the overhorse questions before and I understand the mechanics well.
But I figured it would be fun to know top speed, too.
If you build the boat, you can expect a lot of support on the forum.
I'd love to see the boat built, and I don't care how fast you go with it. All I did was offer you help and I still would.
The reasons I offered you help was the designer was away and we have seen him answer the overhorse questions before and I understand the mechanics well.
But I figured it would be fun to know top speed, too.
If you build the boat, you can expect a lot of support on the forum.
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I like horsepower and a little more is always better. Consider this. A Sprinter van is a great vehicle for what it does. Hold a lot of stuff and move quietly and smoothly from place to place. It has no business competing on a race course and would look silly being out there. I have no doubt that it could run a pretty good time, better than most panel vans, but that is not what it was designed to do.
Many general aviation planes have had modifications made to aerodynamics and more horsepower added. You still can't exceed their max speed or weight. Bad things happen. You can go at max speed using less power for a savings in fuel cost. You can climb out of shorter airfields with the maximum load with more power but you still can't take more than maximum weight.
So a 300hp outboard weighs the same as a 225. Go for the 300. Keep the extra power in your pocket for when your fat friends want to go for a ride. Still able to do 30 knots when lesser HP tops out at 25. Trim tabs seem like a small concession to use the extra power. They have other benefits like leveling out the boat in a crosswind.
The GS28 is my dream boat. I really want to build one.
Many general aviation planes have had modifications made to aerodynamics and more horsepower added. You still can't exceed their max speed or weight. Bad things happen. You can go at max speed using less power for a savings in fuel cost. You can climb out of shorter airfields with the maximum load with more power but you still can't take more than maximum weight.
So a 300hp outboard weighs the same as a 225. Go for the 300. Keep the extra power in your pocket for when your fat friends want to go for a ride. Still able to do 30 knots when lesser HP tops out at 25. Trim tabs seem like a small concession to use the extra power. They have other benefits like leveling out the boat in a crosswind.
The GS28 is my dream boat. I really want to build one.
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Fallguy - I appreciate all the time and effort that you took to answering my question about totally overpower the boat. You are clearly with good knowledge and intentions.fallguy1000 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:34 am I was nice to you and you told me to shut it. Let's get that behind us. I don't care.
I'd love to see the boat built, and I don't care how fast you go with it. All I did was offer you help and I still would.
The reasons I offered you help was the designer was away and we have seen him answer the overhorse questions before and I understand the mechanics well.
But I figured it would be fun to know top speed, too.
If you build the boat, you can expect a lot of support on the forum.
But, this was a question by me to try and understand better how this hull shape might perform at very high speeds. Maybe I should have made that clearer. In future I wont ask theoretical questions without clarity!
Nonetheless - my question about whether the designer was comfortable with the speeds this hull could attain with the listed max of 300 HP (within the limits on the study plans) still have not been answered. I felt like this important question got overlooked.
Forgive me if I have offended you - but this question for the designer about whether they are comfortable with a 300 HP engine at full throttle on this hull design - still remains to be answered. I appreciate he is away and will gladly wait for his input.
Many thanks for everyone's input and support.
Re: GS 28 - Behavior at High Speed
A 300 HP at full throttle would, at designed weight, push this hull close too or above 50 mph. 300 is the limit I list on the study plans in part for liability reasons. the transom and structure can take 300 HP or more with very little modifications.
See this on the study plans:
For more speed, ideally, the hull should be slightly different, with the parallel buttocks lines extending further forward. Some porpoising should be expected at very high speed, trim tabs will be a must. If the builder insist on more than 300 HP, I will give some tips about increased fiberglass scantlings. The bottom core thickness would stay the same.. Keep in mind that while we show a top speed of 38 mph, the hull is designed for cruising between 20 and 25 mph. 125 HP is the minimum to maintain
planing, 150 to 200 is ideal.
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